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The Around the NFL podcast

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has time traveled back from nineteen

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ninety two.

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Pero for President from

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the.

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Chris Wesley podcast studio.

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It's Around the NFL. Dan

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Hands is here.

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Greg Rosenthal gotta

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guess I'm gonna introduce in a moment, Welcome

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back, Mark, Thank you eighteen ninety two.

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That's where you presume that I went to.

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We were under the impression, at least I

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was, yeah that because we saw your Instagram

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Camp happ Big Camp Happiness weekend.

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Well yeah, okay.

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I my my.

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Concern Mark was posting pictures from

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Camp Happiness to well maybe

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okay. I thought maybe

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you got stuck in nineteen ninety two, hence

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Monday's absence. Because

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time travel can be tricky. Everyone

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knows that it's a basic knowledge about time

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travel that one thing goes wrong,

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one wire gets cross, you don't eighty eight, you

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don't get where you need to be, so and I see you back,

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Welcome back.

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I think the only fly in the ointment

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there is that I texted you right

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before the show to alert you

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that I was not going to be here. But I that that

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was not an option to me back in nineteen ninety two.

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You could it could have been a time to

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release of a text. That's what I'm saying. There's

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just a lot of things.

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I think you you went to the most logical place

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concerning my absence.

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For whatever reason, ras Puro has really

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over indexed and mentions on this podcast

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in the last twelve years.

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He like love that adoor.

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He comes up a lot.

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I love that guy. This

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YouTube audience.

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It's a you know what, I

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will explain what it is real quick, and I mean unless

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we would like to introduce sorry, we're get us

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to okay, But like h I it's

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a series that I decided to do about like my

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guy friends from over the years. And it's like, I feel like guys

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are just constantly like I know, everyone's like

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guys are just getting slammed left and right, and

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so it's like kind of celebrating

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my manhood groups of friends that are that are

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male based.

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This is like what the elks are for, you

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know.

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Yeah, well we don't have that anymore.

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You can't. There's a moose lodge in my town. You

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enjoyed, let's do it.

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I would check it out.

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Our guest to my right,

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Andrew Siciliano.

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Hi, guys, I'm enjoying this. It

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looked like Harry Potter robes

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there that first shot. We put up the maroon

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and the yellow. I don't know where we got those, but yeah,

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yeah, that looked that was good. What

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would you do differently if you could talk

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to your nineteen ninety two self, Mark

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Sessler.

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I don't think anything.

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Nothing.

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No, I don't think I think like you would like I think I'm confident

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talk to women or like.

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No, that was never a big issue.

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I think it's more like, if you change one little thing,

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I could be living in like Iowa right now, and I don't

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want to be doing that, so I wouldn't last

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butterfly effect. Yeah, I think like you might have a whole

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ton of bunch of stuff up.

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How about Ceciliana.

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I was thinking about this two paths for Siciliano

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and at Syracuse the way I

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think it, Andrew always a great

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broadcaster, always, I'm

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sure had the drive to be so Andrew

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either spent almost all this time

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in the journalism building or

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or Ceciliano was the guy like

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doing play by play of beer pung

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in the toga at the frat parties,

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like.

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Which one is? Which one is the more?

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Let me ask the boys first more likely

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scenario toga party, play

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by play or nose in the

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books and on the mic.

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Get a man that can do both. I mean it's college.

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Most people are doing both or high achievers.

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I think like Andrew, they they

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know how to get it done, they know how to have a time.

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I had wrong.

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I had my nights out, don't get me wrong,

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but no, I was like, okay 's

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wrong.

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You strike me as didn't

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know any of those people.

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But that was because I went to an unserious institution,

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to Lane University in a.

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Great party town or are we on the

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couch right now? Part of it was probably

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too compensate for my

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lack of a social life. I threw myself

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into my work as a slightly

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awkward child. I'm

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like, I'm just gonna work.

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I can also attest.

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I went to Ithaca for like a semester, but

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at one point, like the weather up there,

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I'm not good. Yeah, like I would say as a

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college student, like if you're a guy, females

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literally disappear off terra Firmer.

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They go, They're gone in April.

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Yeah, because there is no terra firma. It's

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all covered in ice and snow.

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It's a disaster.

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Seasonal depression is year long

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in central New York because the sun

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dies, it does not live

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there. I remember calling my mother up my sophomore

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year saying, no, Mom.

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You don't get it.

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The sun doesn't live here, it

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doesn't exist.

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That's why I also you, that's Central

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New York, Western New York. Why the

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Bills needed to get a Super Bowl. We got

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to give the Bills a Super Bowl. Those are people that have

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earned it just through the weather quotion.

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Well, they're going to have They're going to have a roof.

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And I am excited that Mark is celebrating

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the revival of men's

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friendships and how important this is. And I'm

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going to bring that up the next time. It's so hard to get

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him to show up to a dinner with the two of us.

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I had a couple photos of you in there, Freg, so

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you just you go check it out.

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I appreciated that. Oh yeah, there's a great one, Wes

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and I good hair.

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I look a lot younger there, I look a lot

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younger in the old news.

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You look twenty one years

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old there. All right,

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West is toast Dwayne mine, I believe in the back.

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Yes, yes, great Chris

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Westling, Okay. So today

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is our annual springtime spin

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around the American Football

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Conference. Andrew is going to help

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us out. Happy to be here, Gore for providing, Thank

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you for joining us. We're going to

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go three minutes on each

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team in the AFC, starting with the East

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all the way to the West. On Thursday,

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we'll do the same thing again with Patrick Claiban

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in the fourth chair.

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So we mentioned the Buffalo.

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Bills without further

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ado, let's

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get this thing going. By the way, Eric Roberts,

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you need we need to connect with Eric.

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I know you've done this before, but a

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reminder that the this is

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not there's no wiggle room with the clock. If

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we say three minutes per team, we mean

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three minutes per team.

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We must move.

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If you need to use potential lethal force,

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Eric, you can and uh,

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well, look there's a clock. And for the first time we have

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a clock. Actually wow, the scoreboard. Yeah,

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and we get you know, we get three timeouts and

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you know, I forget it.

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Ironically inside of two minutes are their

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coaches challenge?

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Does the review challenges? But that's

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a nice side.

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I am a man who loves to make up games, and I

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love that wrinkle I'm going to think about that for a

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future game.

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Eric, did you have something to say? I did not.

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Okay, I'm dealing with some Wi Fi stuff.

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Back.

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I can say you seem to be struggling a little bit, and

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I didn't know if you're trying to reach me about something.

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Now, I'm good. We're good.

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Yeah, WiFi loves to take a crap at

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the best times.

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But I think we're good.

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I got the gun. That's the most important thing.

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It is a dart gun, and you are

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feel free to aim for the jugular,

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but nothing above the neck.

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Right, we're broadcasters after it.

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If we overspeak Andrew, after the three minute

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window, okay, the gun comes out and takes

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you out.

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Okay, no cattle prod. It's actually

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a shot from Yes.

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You can hear that, okay if you look in the corners

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of the room that they're mounted guns.

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All right, let's get to it, Andrew.

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You are our guest, so you're gonna get us going, and we're gonna

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talk about those buffalo bills.

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Yes, do, let's roll.

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The buffalo bills. I remember sitting without

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that's a broadcaster for the bars with you

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guys in Hermosa Beach when you did your

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road show last year. Do you remember that last spring?

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And I said, this is the year

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where it's make or break for the Bills. The window is officially

7:46

closing, and if they don't win, they're going to blow the entire

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thing up. I was

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not right, but I do think

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the window is closing. Sean McDermott is back,

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Josh Allen is back. The defense has

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to be torn down to the studs.

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Dig somehow is still there despite that

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cap number, though maybe that changes.

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On Draft Day.

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They bring in Curtis Samuel, They bring in mac

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Hollins, two guys not exactly known

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as field stretchers, but different

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and interesting weapons for Josh Allen.

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My question is, as they rework

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this defense, has the

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window closed on

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this version of the Buffalo Bills.

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I think it's the first restart

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in employer leaving.

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He's in Miami now. MIKEA.

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Hyde we don't know about, but I have a feeling he's going

8:33

to retire at Tardevius White like the

8:35

defense has finally restarted. Had to do

8:38

it. But that doesn't mean to me the windows closed. It just

8:40

reminds me they are a lesser version of the Patriots, where

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you're like restarting. As long as the coach

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and the quarterback are there, you're

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restarting in certain ways. I just need

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to see Brandon Bean so a little bit

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of that magic. Because this whole thing started by

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getting great draft picks in great

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low cost free agents, and they've lost

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so many players on defense Floyd Jack

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lass and potiford Linvald Joseph, Jordan Phillips,

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Tim Selk all those guys in the secondary

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I just mentioned. They got to start replacing them

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with contributors in the draft and some low cost

9:09

free agents because we know they don't have much money.

9:10

They lost a ton of leadership too. I had

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a problem with their skill position situation

9:15

a year ago. They seemed like one guy short, and

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I don't know if Curtis Samuel or mac holland solves

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that right now. I would say, though, with Josh Allen,

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especially in the AFC East where the Dolphins

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took a number of hits themselves,

9:27

yes they have a chance to win the division, and then yes

9:29

they have a chance to do anything with Josh Allen.

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It's interesting with Alan too because the window

9:35

in some ways has closed because

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his contract situation gets

9:40

more and more complicated, like the cap. He's

9:43

starting to eat up more and more cap and that's going to continue

9:45

to build over the next three years, which makes it

9:47

more and more difficult. Now, it doesn't mean that they

9:50

can't do it. I still think you

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mentioned Diggs Andrew. I just feel

9:54

it that there's something there that gives

9:56

them cap relief, that rids them of a player

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that might be starting to become more trouble and

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it's worth and they get to radically reinvent.

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And maybe some draft capital.

10:04

The playmaker situation, so digs

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on the move before draft day is something I still

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see in the mix.

10:10

Yeah, I think so as well. And I'm gonna answer my own question.

10:12

I don't think that the window is

10:14

closed, but it is, as you mentioned, Greg, a

10:16

total defensive teardown. They

10:18

have to go younger and cheaper, which means that much

10:21

more on Josh Allen's shoulder.

10:23

But you know what, they resigned Toarn Johnson. When I look at

10:25

their defensive roster, it's still pretty good.

10:27

It's still good, not bad, right,

10:33

I feel good Like I kind of started slowly.

10:36

There no way to

10:38

what is the end of it at zero? That's the point

10:40

that the Miami Dolphins wait hold

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on.

10:43

Now we hit zero. We finished our conversation.

10:45

I was saying, that felt good.

10:48

What the hell?

10:48

Oh yeah, that is Welcome to the jungle Baby

10:51

absorbed weaponry.

10:52

The Miami Dolphins part of darkness.

10:54

Here the Miami Dolphins. Okay,

10:56

here we go. Where are we at with the Dolphins? H

10:59

and can wen it down just a little bit some of the

11:01

sound effects. My brain is about to explode.

11:03

The Miami Dolphins are

11:06

in an interesting place. Obviously a

11:08

building block season last year. Obviously the

11:10

TUA getting through a full season putting

11:13

up numbers. Obviously, the season didn't end the way they

11:15

wanted it to. They blew the division and then weren't competitive

11:17

against the Chiefs. Now

11:19

there's some greag. Salary cap is real.

11:23

They had to make some moves to

11:25

get under the cap and get in better

11:27

condition. That meant they lose a lot

11:29

of big pieces of their defense, including Christian

11:31

Wilkins. It means they lose one of their best offensive

11:34

linemen, Robert Hunt, and it

11:36

puts them in a situation here now where

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it's going to be a test with new defensive coordinator

11:41

Anthony Weaver to get that team

11:44

in a good place defensively and make them

11:46

a difference maker and not a issue

11:49

with the same old questions. I'm sorry to say about

11:51

the offense with Tua as

11:53

a big time offense that

11:55

could win a title.

11:56

I'm going to go back to a conversation I had with Tyreek

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Hill name dropper super Bowl week.

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He was doing the tour obviously for Super

12:03

Bowl Week, and we talked to him on NFL Network.

12:06

The excuses are done, like

12:08

show me something in January, and

12:11

they're gonna be a good team. They're going to score a lot of points.

12:13

I know they're reworking the defense. A lot of it has to do with

12:15

the injuries and the guys coming back. New

12:17

faces in there certainly as well. The names

12:20

are less important to me than the results

12:22

here with Mike McDaniel and TWOA and the pieces

12:24

they have on offense. They

12:26

haven't won a playoff game since what

12:29

a decade at least. I mean, last

12:31

time they were interesting the playoffs was when Matt

12:33

Moore was starting in Pittsburgh and Tannehill

12:36

was hurt. Show me that you could win.

12:38

I don't care about the weather anymore.

12:41

Right, I think the offense

12:44

is weirdly the bigger question because

12:47

they basically brought back the same group we

12:49

didn't talk about on the show, but Toron Arms that is back

12:51

with them. They ended up resigning Isaiah when like it's

12:53

the same offense you bring in John news Smith.

12:56

I do think it should be pointed out with all these people that

12:58

have left and cuts and Zaving Howe and

13:00

he's gone, they've had some of my favorite

13:03

kind of like low watted signings.

13:04

Kenna Fuller was a nice signing. Jordan Brooks I

13:06

think was a nice signing.

13:07

Jordan Poyer adds some like veteran

13:10

know how in that second, they haven't done

13:12

nothing. Shaq Barrett's like a good rotation guy

13:14

still, so it's not like they've been totally quiet.

13:16

My bigger thing is just like the offense, which is the same,

13:18

is that same gonna beginning?

13:20

Well?

13:20

I on the offensive line, Like I don't like

13:22

losing Robert Hunt. I think if it's when

13:24

you don't have Tron Ormston in there, which you have to count

13:26

on a couple games a year where he's not gonna play. It seems

13:28

like at this point in his career you look

13:30

at that like PFF set up. I don't love

13:32

what's in front of two Ay and that causes a

13:34

lot of problems for two when he's not help when they're unhealthy.

13:37

Low key comments said to me when Anthony Weaver was

13:39

named d C. Show me a D

13:41

line coach who became a good DC. D

13:44

line coaches generally can't coordinate

13:46

the back end.

13:47

That'll be fast and don't forget it. Sounds like trouble

13:50

to entering the final year of his deal. So it

13:52

is a big season for Miami,

13:56

big decisions.

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New York Jets Greg Rosevelt.

14:01

Oh my god, is there a bigger boom

14:04

or bust this year or else team

14:06

that we've seen in the last like twenty years. They

14:08

signed Mike Williams since we last did a show. I

14:10

think that's a good signing, especially for the structure,

14:14

but it's just so typical. Williams is on a one

14:16

year contract, injury risk. Rogers

14:18

is year to year. At this point, I think it's safe

14:20

to say both tackles Morgan Moses who

14:22

they traded for and Tyron

14:25

Smith that they brought in are on one year

14:27

deals or on the final year of their deals

14:29

injury risks there. This

14:32

is just like the ultimate year

14:34

to year thing, which is not good process.

14:35

It usually doesn't work.

14:37

And yet if I was a Jets fan like Dan,

14:39

no one's ever accused me of this before.

14:41

Someone said I was just being nice about the Jets on Twitter

14:43

to like suck up to Dan. I've never done

14:45

that.

14:46

I'm saying you should lead into it this year

14:48

because what other options do you have. I think they did

14:50

the most that they could do with this offseason.

14:52

On off I think I think Joe D's had

14:54

a great seven days. I thought all

14:56

the moves made sense in a vacuum.

14:59

They also none of these moves

15:01

for a team that's all in for this year.

15:03

All these moves he's added, he's gotten the

15:05

roster better without like burying the team

15:08

like going forward. Yeah, so it's like very

15:10

much about right now, right here, without

15:12

selling the farm and mortgaging the future.

15:15

And as I've said Mark multiple

15:17

times in the last few weeks, like hashtag

15:20

once, this only needs to work once, and I

15:22

know it probably won't because history tells us

15:24

that it won't. But this is a pretty

15:26

damn good roster and if

15:28

things click, this team is going to be good.

15:30

I don't think Aaron Rodgers would have survived

15:32

last season even if you wiped away what happened

15:34

if run behind that line. They

15:37

needed to address it. They've addressed it. I think Mike

15:39

Williams of Healthy absolutely is

15:41

a huge asset for Aaron Rodgers in the offense.

15:43

My problem, though, is the experience

15:45

of Aaron Rodgers grows a little stranger by the

15:47

week. You're gonna that's not going to change,

15:50

And you didn't have the internal

15:53

self scouting and decision making

15:55

and correct decision making to replace the offensive

15:58

coordinator.

15:58

I just don't trust Core Keen components

16:01

of what the Jets have.

16:03

Remember when Rogers had his end

16:05

of season presser and he said, we need to avoid

16:07

distractions. All right, great, thanks.

16:11

If if he does run, which it

16:13

sounds like he's not going.

16:14

Yeah, I do think he's the choice.

16:15

We spent a lot of time on do we

16:17

have to give because the equal time thing?

16:20

Do we have to give equal time now

16:23

to the other candidates on NFL network

16:26

if he is a legitimate candidate.

16:29

No, that's a question for you to give

16:31

to our newsy our

16:33

news director.

16:34

That sounds like a Charlie Yuke conversation. I

16:36

have very little faith and I like the guy.

16:39

Tyron Smith has been playing for thirty five years.

16:41

He came into the league at twelve years old that

16:43

he and his back can hold

16:45

up for eighteen weeks. So

16:48

I think everyone likes to say, oh my god,

16:50

they're going wide receiver now because they got

16:52

the offensive line figured out. No, take fu

16:54

Waga, take the best tackle here, because you are

16:56

going to need one of those tackles. If Tyron

16:58

Smith goes down, this whole goes

17:00

down.

17:00

And there on one year deals exactly, they'll

17:04

take the dart once. Just

17:06

only needs to work once.

17:09

All right.

17:09

Moving on the New England Patriots,

17:12

Oh no, dart Mark Sessler

17:14

should have gotten a dart select all right.

17:17

What I do see with the Patriots is people

17:19

are talking about it like Antonio Gibson, a

17:22

true tonal shift inside the building

17:24

with Girodmeyo. And yet at the same

17:26

time, I look at a roster that

17:28

really seems to be handled this offseason

17:31

the way that a Bill Belichick operation would

17:33

largely have done, which is a lot of resigning your

17:35

own guys. There were whispers of them

17:37

being attied to Calvin Ridley, no dice. There

17:40

were talks about them maybe with a big

17:42

time defensive player, negatory Mac

17:44

Jones sent into Obstenia.

17:45

That's a big change.

17:46

But the Patriots went completely silent, and they could

17:48

have had justin fields for a bag of spoons.

17:51

I would have liked that concept. And then you go maybe

17:53

do something else in the draft. To me, I just see

17:55

a roster that looks it was one of the worst in the

17:57

AFC. It looks very similar to

17:59

me, and I think there's not enough

18:01

change for yes, you're going to go get a quarterback, but it's that

18:03

quarterback going to be in a good position if

18:05

you don't trade.

18:06

Sound like we I right now in

18:08

Boston, people Patriots

18:11

offseason relax. I have

18:13

some patients. I like the idea that.

18:17

I am encouraged by

18:20

what they're doing, which is being patient. I disagree

18:22

on some level that it's a Bill it's a Belichick

18:24

type offseason because actually they kept

18:26

players at high salaries that

18:28

they know are good that he usually

18:31

just kind of let walk. They gave Michael when You

18:33

big money, like a lot of their best players happened

18:35

to be free agents, and so they kept them. Kyle

18:38

Duggar, good job hunter, Henry solid

18:40

player, like they much money. They've led

18:42

everyone walk for years, right, and

18:44

but they kept players that actually, like to

18:46

me, free agency is best done

18:49

by going for role players and to be Jacobe

18:51

Prisett, Tony, Antonio Gibson, a

18:54

Corps for kg Osborn. Those are all good role

18:56

players and I don't think they're done yet, and I think

18:58

it all sets up for them taking a quarterback.

19:00

You are running back a team that won four games though.

19:02

Well the defense though on paper you're

19:04

keeping young players I really like,

19:06

but they're not really running back because

19:08

they're going to make a big change at quarterback. Here's the

19:10

question in that, I think all the Patriots ends I'm

19:12

sure also.

19:13

Talking about onn EI.

19:15

Do you take the guy at three and

19:17

for a team that needs so much work, or

19:19

do you trade that pick, gather

19:21

more assets and build

19:24

the roster that way and still maybe take a quarterback.

19:26

You have to love Andrew. You gotta love that for

19:29

me if you're the Patriots, and I get

19:31

the strategy of just keep taking quarterbacks, but

19:33

you gotta love the prospect that's there at three

19:36

to make that move.

19:37

Otherwise I think you do move back.

19:39

I agree with you. You don't take the quarterback for the sake of

19:41

taking the quarterback. You have to be in love with the quarterback who

19:43

is there for you at three. I love Jake Briskett.

19:45

I know I wish the Browns had gotten

19:47

Jake Briskett back in the building. If

19:49

it means punting on a year on quarterback, even

19:52

though next year's class is supposedly not good

19:54

that, I'm for that. If you don't love that guy. I

19:56

also want to ask, has anyone's seen the end of the dynasty

19:59

dock yet? And and considering what

20:01

Craft said about Belichick, when did he

20:03

record that? Because there was no.

20:05

Way did seven seconds?

20:07

Oh it's too deep.

20:08

But he couldn't have taken the shots at Belichick that he

20:11

took if he knew that Belichick was going

20:13

to be back this year. All

20:15

right, No, no, no, no, A little bit of clock.

20:17

I was at one. The

20:20

clock management failure there is. That's a great

20:22

time to call t O. Okay, so I'm gonna

20:24

do it now. We're gonna to O.

20:26

We need to know more.

20:27

I don't know you're making like the twenty this is the.

20:29

Twenty second timeout thing college

20:31

basketball guy, I'm twenty second out.

20:33

Yeah, I'm definitely not. This

20:36

is twenty that is twenty yeah? And what's the full

20:39

tea.

20:40

Time? All right? Here we go. Good to know what

20:42

happened in this documentary. You guys gotta watch

20:44

it.

20:45

But I watched the final two episodes last night,

20:47

and it's not in any way as if Craft,

20:50

you know, assassinated Bill

20:52

Belichick. But the last couple of episodes, he

20:54

is pretty direct.

20:56

In saying.

20:59

It had to change, and Bill's

21:01

no fun to work for, and it was miserable

21:04

at times, and

21:06

you know, tell us the story of Giselle coming in

21:10

in the off season before

21:12

the twenty eighteen season saying,

21:14

this guy doesn't respect my husband. We're at

21:16

it here basically came back how miserable

21:19

eighteen was. He did

21:21

not pull punches. He said all the right things

21:23

about Bill Belichick, and maybe

21:25

I'm exaggerating a bit, but he said

21:27

some very direct things where

21:30

if Belichick were back on the podium

21:33

come Draft weekend, it would be fascinating

21:35

to hear him. Ask did you

21:38

hear what he said there? Now?

21:41

Bill wouldn't want to go back down memory lane.

21:43

I have no doubt I said what I said in the dock and that's

21:45

it. But there was some hmmm,

21:49

I don't have an Apple TV. I

21:51

will just like purchase this show

21:53

at some point.

21:54

Masters of the Air also, but the

21:56

whole thing prematurely annoys

21:58

me because of everything I've heard about it, which is that

22:00

it's very much a Robert Kraft production,

22:04

and it feels like, I

22:06

can give you my sign it has a Brady slant

22:08

to it, definitely, and then you feel that

22:10

throughout all ten episodes. But at

22:12

the end when it really gets good, you're like, wow, Craft just

22:14

said that, but you don't know when he said it. You're saying, I

22:16

don't know when he said it.

22:18

And my question is, did he say

22:20

things last summer

22:22

where he knew this was it?

22:24

Whatever this was. Maybe it was during the season.

22:26

Maybe it was during the season when he knew

22:28

it was over. Because some of the comments, you're

22:30

like, wow,

22:33

okay, do you want him to respond on the on an

22:35

official team podium.

22:36

To that m It's

22:39

like, let's pipe down.

22:40

Yeah.

22:41

My my wife works for Apple TV plus

22:43

and Mark I just want you know, I don't appreciate the idea.

22:45

Of sharing past.

22:46

You've never seen Ted Lasso. Everybody's

22:49

got to calm down about Ted lassoed

22:51

LA.

22:52

I'll note that then it does seem slightly

22:54

unethical to announce publish.

22:56

I was saying, I think there's a way you could just buy

22:58

the show without getting up with the I

23:00

don't know.

23:03

All right, let's take a break and

23:06

when we get back the AFC North. All

23:09

right, we're all back, and now

23:11

it is time to roll into the AFC North.

23:13

Let's start with the North champs,

23:15

the Baltimore Ravens, and fittingly it's Mark

23:17

Sessler on Baltimore.

23:19

I have always been an antagonist

23:22

to the Ravens for obvious and overt

23:24

reasons, but I actually think they

23:26

have done something to set themselves very

23:28

well up in the draft. Because they've got the thirtieth pick.

23:30

Overall, you can take a wide out to pair with Za Flowers.

23:33

It's gonna a great white out draft. You've got a

23:35

second round pick, a third round pick, and two forths. And I

23:37

think what you do there is you spend two of those

23:39

to bolster an offensive line that lost some bodies,

23:42

and then you have added Derrick Henry

23:45

to this backfield. And if you are the Browns,

23:47

if you are the Steelers, you are the Bengals,

23:49

You're going to be spending two Sundays

23:52

in autumn next autumn staring

23:54

at Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson

23:56

in a backfield creating total dark chaos

23:59

and I cannot say it enough. Dereck Henry

24:01

could have gone to the Texans, fine, he could

24:03

have gone somewhere else. I think this move because

24:05

I really think that the people are sleeping on where

24:07

Derek Henry is and still in his career is still a bit.

24:09

I think this is a perfect fit. I think he's gonna

24:11

cause total chaos. I think the Ravens are

24:14

onto something where I finally think if

24:16

this works, they can win games in January

24:18

versus completely melting away. But it starts with this

24:20

draft and making sure their offensive line can do

24:22

what it needs to do.

24:23

And it also starts in

24:25

January if they actually run the ball

24:27

when they get into a playoff game, which goes

24:30

not to Bingo this past time. I think

24:32

Dereck Henry is a great addition. I feel like he's been a Raven

24:34

half his life anyway. I feel like we've kind of

24:36

wanted to see this right. So he follows

24:39

McNair and Soamari Roll and Derek Mason

24:41

from Tennessee to Baltimore. I am

24:43

concerned though, with the tread on

24:45

the tire, leading the league

24:47

in carries in four out of the last five years.

24:50

They need a lot of running backs and

24:53

just fingers crossed you hope Keaton Mitchell's

24:55

ready in September. I don't know if he will be, and he'll

24:57

be that same guy JK. Dobbins, who

24:59

knows you need a lot of bodies here.

25:02

My concern is I

25:04

need him healthy for

25:07

January. Right, It's not Derek

25:09

Henry in September. It's Dereck Henry in January.

25:11

I feel like they need three more running.

25:13

And I'll tee you up on this. Greg Kevin

25:15

Cole, formerly of PFF. Now

25:18

he's with unexpected points. They

25:20

have a something called a Improvement

25:22

Index points

25:24

based improvement in NFL plus minus based

25:26

on offseason roster and draft value. Raven's

25:29

far and away the bottom of that list. That negative

25:32

six LUs. Yeah, that's

25:34

the other way to look at this, that this roster just isn't a strong.

25:37

F They have a major incomplete and this is what

25:39

they do. They do the compensatory pick game. So they

25:41

wait and they sign players later and they get cheap.

25:43

But this is a very difficult test

25:46

for Eric to cost to the GM. I was

25:48

thinking the same thing without having those numbers. If

25:50

you just go onto the NFL Free agency

25:52

page, on NFL dot com. And you look at the departures.

25:55

I mean, it's like a Russian novel.

25:57

Here it goes on and on. You just keep scrolling.

26:00

I counted seven doom scrolling

26:02

offensive players and six

26:04

seven defensive players and six offensive

26:07

players who had significant roles,

26:09

including a big chunk of their offensive

26:11

line. Three starters there. So they have

26:13

still a lot of work to do. There's a lot of positions.

26:15

You just look at the roster. They're a little thin.

26:17

You have six picks in the first five rounds. Though, I think

26:19

that I trust the three.

26:25

You're lucky. Wow,

26:27

you you you rolled that red light?

26:29

Yeah, wait a minute, get the shoot his ass

26:31

It had.

26:32

Stopped close ass away. I

26:34

agree with that. I mean, he runs the red light.

26:37

I point out that he ran the red light, and I'm

26:39

the one that gets it.

26:40

Yeah. Welcome to the Terror Dome baby. All

26:43

right, Andrew, your boyhood

26:45

team. You've been the voice of this team.

26:47

It's the Cleveland Browns. Okay,

26:50

the Cleveland Browns.

26:51

Uh.

26:52

You got Judy and Jamis and

26:54

those are the big headliners. I think it's

26:56

interesting. I was on the radio with them with with what

26:58

Browns Radio this morning. They asked me, are the Browns

27:01

better now than they were ten days ago? I had to pause

27:03

and think about it, and I think that they are. Jerry

27:06

Judy is a steel for a five and a six. The contract.

27:08

I can't wait to get under the hood on those numbers. Remember he

27:10

had thirteen million left this year, so I think it's

27:13

like a two year extension for maybe twenty

27:15

six. Considering what Ridley got, I don't

27:17

disagree that much with the deal. I

27:19

love Zadarias Smith coming back. I

27:21

think Quentin Jefferson is in under

27:24

the radar signing that is good. I think there's

27:26

no shot they're going to get Christian Wilkins. The

27:28

thing here is Jamis and Flacco. I'd

27:31

rather have Joe Flacco to be blunt. I know Jamis

27:33

is ten years younger. The most fascinating

27:35

thing about the Browns season

27:38

to me is talking to Kevin

27:40

Stefanski in Indy, Like

27:42

I got this legitimate excitement

27:45

to get in the lab with Ken Dorsey, like

27:47

to have this intellectual

27:50

rebuilding of the offense in

27:52

the off season, taking the

27:54

RPO stuff that they did with Josh in Buffalo

27:57

and kind of mixing that in now and rebuilding

27:59

this offense almost from the ground up. I

28:02

would love to see what that looks like, and said I got

28:04

a.

28:04

Couple of quick problems with the Browns though, because number

28:06

one, I think losing Bill Callahan is you're

28:08

losing one of those two or three offensive

28:10

line coaches that finds a magical

28:12

way to make it work no matter who's in the lineup, and

28:15

they've dealt with that. I say number two,

28:17

the flack of things suggest to me that they were

28:19

scared to sign someone who was too popular with

28:21

the fan base. That's just how I feel great for

28:23

the locker room too, or the locker room because I think the third thing

28:25

is I would ask the question like I get

28:27

that the we don't know where we are. Where we are with Deshaun

28:30

Watson the player right now, that's a huge question mark. But where

28:32

is the locker room with Deshaun wattson the person. I think

28:34

that's just something that feels we

28:36

don't really have a full, full, complete answer on that.

28:38

I think the question they asked you is a good one

28:40

because, and this isn't to

28:43

take a shot at them just more than any other team.

28:45

They've had very little departures

28:48

and arrivals, which is fine. They

28:50

have a lot of I think the

28:52

Judy contract is.

28:53

Gonna end up looking just fine. Actually

28:56

I have no problem with that contract. But like they

28:58

swapped out some linebackers. They're line back there,

29:00

Jordan Hicks and Devin Bush.

29:01

That's not great.

29:01

But if that's your biggest issue, that's not a bad one. What version

29:04

We haven't really talked about this a lot, but that

29:06

was a ghastly knee injury for Nick

29:08

Chubb.

29:09

What version of Chubb returns?

29:10

And to the credit of Stefanski and

29:12

that team in Callahan and the

29:14

fact that they were able to keep moving, keep on

29:17

chugging on offense without Chubb, without

29:19

Watson tells you that they could

29:21

do it even if it's not the same Chubb. But

29:23

I hope we get generational talent Shubb

29:26

back this year, but we'll have to rate but.

29:27

More RPO stuff like that.

29:29

My one thing is when Deshaun Watson has been in there

29:31

for various sample sizes, like we lost Nick

29:33

Chubb on some level, we lost the same version of Nick

29:35

Chubb. It's not going to change If they're trying to work more

29:38

RPO Josh Allen type stuff.

29:39

No one has any idea if he's even

29:42

ready in September.

29:43

You lost to Shaun Watson, the Houston

29:45

version. That's what they need more than anything.

29:48

Steve Smith said, Tier three for Judy.

29:51

No, No, the clock that's

29:54

way off. That's erroneous.

29:56

You know, I will, I will say something about

29:59

this.

29:59

You know, shoe based on the chimes,

30:01

Shoe pacers lay on.

30:03

This on this one is compared to the one of them. It's

30:05

kind of like on the a half second.

30:07

You know, when I was building this out the first time I

30:09

was, the chimes were the confusing part for

30:11

me because I'm like, where do I get the zeros lined up for the

30:13

beginning of the chime, the middle of the.

30:14

Chime, the end of chime. You have a gun

30:16

in your hand, You've got to be sure.

30:18

But you've got like got Mark David Chappan

30:20

behind the back there be

30:23

careful.

30:23

Oh man, imagine if we had producer

30:27

Eric during the Cold War,

30:29

the Cuban missile crisis just

30:31

be rubble everywhere across the universe.

30:34

All right, moving on, here we go.

30:37

Talk about a dated reference, the Pittsburgh

30:39

that's historical mark like.

30:41

It is part of reference. It is part of.

30:43

History, and that's it's a major part of world

30:45

history. Yes, but it dodged the

30:47

Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay, here

30:49

we go. Anybody feel

30:51

like potential little Arthur Smith redemption.

30:54

Season s z N on the way? Absolutely?

30:57

I don't know about that, maybe though, because remember

30:59

some guy what do you call it?

31:01

Mark?

31:01

Always bringing up? Is it Peter Principal? He

31:03

maybe got one one tier higher than he needed

31:05

to be.

31:05

But be on your skill set.

31:07

Yeah, he was very much an effective play

31:09

caller and successful in his previous stop in Tennessee.

31:11

So what do you do? What do you do?

31:13

Everybody's talking about It's biggest story line in the league,

31:15

the quarterback room shake up in

31:18

Pittsburgh. No one's had a more intriguing off

31:20

season as they completely redid

31:22

that room. Now we'll see what

31:25

Smith can do. And I'm interested

31:28

in how this all plays out, obviously with

31:30

Russell Wilson and fields.

31:32

But other than that, Greg, what have you

31:34

seen in terms they've They lost Deontay Johnson,

31:37

which I thought was a maybe questionable move.

31:39

Anything else about this team that jumps out to you?

31:41

Yeah?

31:42

I don't love a

31:44

lot of their positions, but especially wide receiver.

31:46

Their number two wide receiver right now is either Calvin

31:49

Austin or Van Jefferson. That's

31:51

a fiasco. So they wanted to get rid

31:53

of Deontay Johnson. It's a bet on Dante

31:55

Jackson. Even with adding Dante Jackson

31:57

is a cornerback from Carolina like they are.

32:00

Then Steelers fans are so excited

32:02

because I think they see a little bit of different

32:04

thinking by adding fields in Wilson.

32:07

But I look at their cornerbacks, their wide

32:09

receivers, their offensive line, some really

32:11

big spots, and I see a team that looks rather

32:13

incomplete to me.

32:14

Yeah, but it is worst roster in the division. I

32:16

think it's safe to say they have it.

32:18

They have the twentieth pick.

32:19

I think it's just one of those wide receiver drafts where you could

32:21

solve that problem pretty quickly.

32:23

I love the Patrick Queen addition.

32:25

I just think it's like I think it's it's an

32:27

interesting quarterback experiment because

32:29

Fields to be behind

32:31

Russell Wilson or behind anyone like fans

32:34

are gonna want to see Justin Field's asap,

32:36

like the minute Russell Wilson sorts to

32:38

create a snooze fest, Like Justin Fields

32:40

is a bit of an interesting character to have as

32:42

your number two and I think he'll start sooner than later.

32:44

It's a fascinating experiment of quarterback

32:46

and I think it's actually a really, really smart

32:49

one. You got Russell for nothing. I mean, he was out

32:51

on the curb, but they were trying to throw him away. You get him

32:53

for free, and you get Justin Fields

32:55

for free. If I told you mid season last year

32:57

I can get Justin Fields for a six, you

33:00

probably would have laughed me out of the room. And

33:02

Arthur Smith is going to use him in situational run

33:05

game stuff. I guarantee you that, right.

33:07

And if you're Zach Orr or Jim Schwartz or

33:09

lu Ana Romo, and you have to plan for the possibility

33:11

of Justin Field's getting on the field, and then

33:14

let's say Russell's either hurt

33:16

or injured come October or early November,

33:18

which seems to be inevitable. Right, You're

33:20

throwing Justin Fields and maybe you saved

33:23

the season, and maybe he doesn't even get to fifty

33:25

one percent playtime and you still only give up

33:27

a skit.

33:27

But in the past, Arthur Smith is all about play

33:30

action passing and throwing over the middle

33:32

of the field and under center. Quarterbacks and guys who

33:34

get rid of the ball quickly. Literally the exact

33:36

opposite of Russell Wilson and Justin Fields,

33:38

who to me, are very similar. I think they're similar,

33:40

but it's different than what Smith has had.

33:42

I trust Pittsburgh's ability to identify

33:44

wide receiver talent. They do bring in knuckleheads

33:46

at that position. Yes, they're good at the knuckleheads. Time

33:49

out, by the way, Oh not a

33:52

twenty. By the way, it's always Dan taking

33:54

the timeouts.

33:54

I remember I once took a time out on this show

33:57

and was like, giving an e were scolder?

33:59

Yes, well, because I think it's ironic for

34:01

someone that's very plugged into clock

34:04

management and you seem to be good at it

34:06

when we're watching games, then you're

34:08

kind of a mess when it comes back.

34:09

You're like Sean McVay over here, we've blown two

34:12

timeouts and we're in the first half.

34:14

We were all on the same page about the Patriots needed

34:16

to be done. I agree because the new guy,

34:19

you know, he should have saved No. I wanted to hear

34:21

what he said because I hadn't heard anything one left.

34:23

We'd not point out that the Steelers should not have won

34:25

the game. That Sean McVay gets ripped for

34:27

his time out management and didn't have a challenge

34:30

here when the Steelers were in town this past

34:32

season, so they couldn't challenge the Kenny

34:34

Pickett didn't get that fourth down

34:37

keeper? Right? But do we

34:39

all agree that Kenny Pickett was a yard and a half short?

34:41

Yeah?

34:43

Remember Steelers only made the playoffs because

34:45

of that.

34:45

Bs I was locked in a closet.

34:47

I know, I don't remember anything about the Kenny Pickett Aaron

34:49

Pittsburgh Week seven. Look, I

34:51

love Russell Wilson. Fake tweets, Fly

34:54

up a fake tweet, Russell Wilson.

34:56

This is after the Justin Fields move. Let's

34:58

get it Justin Field's QB room

35:01

about to be triple fire

35:03

emoji?

35:04

God, what did you just love Russell Wilson?

35:07

Just once? You know hashtag

35:09

once? Be real? Like this

35:12

sucks? Yeah? What was his true

35:14

internal monologue when it's unfolded?

35:16

Because we don't need it, like you don't need to like

35:19

we know you are a competitor.

35:23

You you are very much in the cross

35:25

crosshairs of everyone thinking you're washed, like

35:27

this is your last chance. Really, in

35:29

a lot of ways, this is the last

35:31

thing you wanted was to have Fields in the room.

35:34

So just lay low and just think

35:36

to yourself, I'm gonna I'm not gonna let

35:38

that guy get on the field, but instead we get

35:40

this stuff.

35:40

Oh, this kulb room's about to be fire.

35:42

Oh okay, And if he said nothing

35:45

on social media, it would

35:47

be inferred that

35:49

it's a cold shoulder.

35:50

And let it be fine, let it be, Let it be,

35:53

you know, for once, mister, don't be so completely

35:56

preoccupied with your image.

35:58

Just got his ass on the

36:00

field and win.

36:01

Did you ever think that it's actually a sincere

36:04

Wow, we're better now with him.

36:05

No, not with it us to

36:07

you or to him. How about that game? You might

36:10

be right?

36:10

Okay, I could be a cynical bastard

36:12

at times, but I don't really

36:15

think that.

36:15

In that game that he took a picture

36:17

of Fields versus Wilson

36:20

one of each of their better games of the season.

36:23

I mean, Justin Fields had three hundred and thirty five yards

36:25

four passing touchdowns in

36:28

a game that the Bears put up thirty points

36:31

or twenty eight points. Rather, it's

36:33

like Justin Fields is a better player when

36:35

he had Kenny Pickett as his backup. Russell

36:38

Wilson was the better quarterback, and he

36:40

had a guy behind him that the whole.

36:42

Fan base disliked Russell. Now you've got

36:44

a guy who's they're both going to start

36:46

games this year.

36:47

Buckle up, Wilson gone by Columbus Day.

36:50

For those that are unaware, that

36:53

is, I believe the second week of October.

36:55

It seems to Flo you've.

36:56

Also believe renamed the holiday

36:59

is Indigenous People's Day. So again,

37:01

Mark, if we can just be respectful

37:04

of everyone around.

37:05

Us, I'm

37:08

out of this diamond Greggie

37:12

on the.

37:12

Bengals, I'm a sneaky big fan

37:14

of Duke Tobin, who our friend

37:16

Chris Wesleyan always used to give a lot of credit

37:18

to who. I think this ownership

37:21

has been tough to work for it, and yet he always

37:23

makes it work. I think they've had a sneaky great

37:25

offseason, maybe one of the better off seasons out

37:27

there.

37:27

They let Joana Williams go. You upgrade

37:29

in talent.

37:30

I believe with Trent Brown, who's every other year

37:33

and this is by that logic, is his

37:35

good year. It's his honeymoon year. You're

37:37

keeping t Higgins. Don't let him go. It's still

37:39

a nice wide receiver room there.

37:42

You swap out Joe Mixon for Zack

37:44

Moss for less money. I like that Sheldon

37:47

Rankins, Gino Stone,

37:50

even bringing back Von bell As

37:52

just some depth. Like these are the types of moves I actually think

37:54

that work in free agency, just filling these little holes

37:56

with solid, rotational beans. They're smarter

37:59

than they get credit for, and I think they are set

38:01

up quite well to enter this

38:03

draft not having any crazy

38:05

big need doing whatever they need to do.

38:07

And I trust Duketo, but I trust this Ross. I like

38:10

like Mica Sicki to at tight end. They needed to address

38:12

that position. I don't have a problem with Zach

38:14

Moss paired with Chase Brown. I think they are

38:16

a target to draft a running

38:19

back and then a not great running back draft. It just seems

38:21

like Zach Moss feels like a little I'd like

38:23

him in Indianapolis slash year, but it feels like a little

38:25

bit of a projection. I don't know exactly what you're getting

38:27

there with that running back room.

38:29

Zach Moss's numbers when Jonathan Taylor

38:31

was injured early in the season are coming back from

38:33

the contract and the injury and all that, We're

38:35

fantastic. I think Zach Moss is a great

38:38

move, and honestly, I think he's an upgrade. You

38:40

finally get rid of the Joe Mixon. How long is he going to

38:42

be here questioning? You ship him to Houston,

38:45

and good for Joe for getting that deal.

38:47

I agree with you. It's an upgrade

38:49

here in the offensive line if Trent

38:51

Brown, if you get the real Trent Brown, the guy that

38:53

can actually play. It all comes down

38:55

to whether or not you keep the quarterback healthy, period,

38:58

full stop. It

39:00

speaks to what they thought of the safety play last

39:03

year. I know the big turnover on the second

39:05

in the secondary was a question coming

39:07

into the season. The signings

39:09

show that they weren't exactly thrilled with it. They get

39:11

their defensive tackle, although I don't think Sheldon

39:14

Rankins was the number one target of the fan

39:16

base.

39:16

Here they get, but they needed it.

39:18

They feel actually more win or not like

39:21

else than the Bills. To me, yes, right now this

39:23

year I feel I think.

39:24

Yeah, I feel like they're in similar places and.

39:26

We agree there's there's not I'm sorry, no, Justin

39:29

Jefferson trade here for t Higgins.

39:31

That is ridiculous.

39:32

Those internet rumors. Shut up, Grow up, Peter

39:34

Pantys. I missed the Bengals last

39:36

year. I thought the AFC was a more great

39:39

place without them. Burrow was

39:41

only truly healthy for a couple of weeks, and what he

39:43

was, it was like, Oh, there's Joe Burrow and there's Jamar Chase

39:45

and we're having fun again. And then he disappeared

39:48

with that injury in primetime, which was just

39:50

like then the deer what started with

39:52

Rogers on Monday Night Football? Like when Burrow

39:54

went down, it was like, oh, come on, this season's

39:56

annoying. Then somehow the Chiefs when the Super Bowl again

39:58

without any weapons, get him back.

40:01

Let's go, let's make the NFL

40:03

more fun again. Joe Burrow in the mix, I.

40:05

Mean, Jake Browning was watchable to

40:07

say, I mean nothing else again.

40:10

Let's calm down Westling brothers complaining

40:12

about the Bengals offseason.

40:14

I think they've had a nice Let's

40:18

take a break. Actually, during

40:20

breaks, little bumpers, we got a little legal room.

40:23

You're gonna get some text from Nick Westling about that one.

40:25

He's not gonna like that watchable. Bill will

40:27

be a little bit more diplomatic. Nick

40:29

might get fired.

40:30

They're just like, what are we doing?

40:32

It's like, Okay, it's the first day of free agency.

40:34

Let's let your boy Duke

40:36

Tobin do his work.

40:38

Let's underrate it.

40:39

Let's do cook he's underrated.

40:41

Mark any comments before we go to break. I

40:44

am going to stop talking for a little bit.

40:46

After what happened before.

40:48

I am very happy. I'm very happy

40:51

for that for that holiday and everyone, and it celebrates.

40:54

The Italians don't like sharing the holiday,

40:56

but we're gonna that we could do that as a

40:59

that's a separate pie guest.

41:01

Well, well fine, I'm I'm not going to say another

41:03

word. Save us for October

41:06

thirteenth podcast.

41:08

We'll do s take a break, We'll be I'm begging

41:10

you to shut up, right

41:20

everybody, I saw that coming.

41:24

As repulsive and can never be screenplayed.

41:26

I thought it was good. I

41:28

mean, what happened. That was for Monday. That was

41:30

for Monday Show. Give a physical breakdown, We

41:32

try things, we explore

41:35

the space.

41:36

It was Somalia Monday,

41:39

Monday.

41:40

It was Somalia Monday.

41:41

All right, here we go the a f C

41:44

South, Greg Rosenthal, get us

41:46

going with the division champion Texans.

41:48

Oh yeah, Walker's

41:50

new favorite team, Big Nico'collins

41:53

and c J.

41:54

Stroud fan. He wears that T shirt everywhere,

41:56

But I'm focused.

41:57

On the defense. He awarded the Super Bowl.

41:59

He did one of the only people wearing a

42:01

CJ. Stroud T shirt to the Super Bowl. I'm

42:03

focused on the defense because that's what they're focused on. They

42:06

basically brought back the exact same offense so far, other

42:08

than swapping in Joe Mixon for Singletary.

42:10

That's fine.

42:10

Whatever, fully fought to Kassi

42:13

Deniko Autry. You swap out Grenard

42:15

for Daniel Hunter, you bring in outsaier

42:18

at linebacker, Like how

42:21

good can this team be? Basically

42:24

if they are right about these defensive moves,

42:26

because I think they looked and I don't think it's crazy

42:28

as this as a window to win now, but

42:31

they looked at it like our offense is good enough.

42:33

We need to help this defense.

42:35

For Demiko, I think they

42:37

will be a trendy

42:40

Super Bowl pick in the AFC. I

42:42

don't think they're going to make it to New Orleans, but

42:44

I think they're going to be a trendy pick. On the power of the quarterback,

42:47

and the quarterback is now officially a drawing

42:49

card when it comes to free agency, much like Joe

42:51

Burrow was a couple of years ago when he burst onto

42:53

the scene.

42:54

I think they might be in that kickoff game. Wouldn't surprise

42:56

me.

42:56

Would not surprise me at all. I

42:58

think this is a good team team that has

43:01

really elevated the entire division.

43:04

A year ago, we were sitting here saying what are the Jaguars

43:06

and don't get to them later?

43:07

What are the Jaguars? Are they?

43:08

Are they a real contender

43:10

or are they just a good team in a really bad division.

43:13

I think now it's what are the Texans? Are

43:15

they a legit contender or a good team

43:17

in a mediocre division. I think they are a

43:20

legit contender if they could run

43:22

the football, and that's the key.

43:24

I think mixing helps as much as

43:26

we might be fine with the Bengals moving on from Joe

43:28

Mixon, I think they've showed a commitment to him with a contract

43:30

that he's had a big role.

43:31

That was a problem for them a year ago.

43:33

I thought they were maybe going to address wide receiver

43:36

in free agency with someone significant.

43:38

But it's good news for Tank Dell and Nico Collins

43:40

that.

43:40

They did exact same receivers, the same same

43:43

offensive line.

43:44

The one thing is.

43:45

I mean some of these teams, when you're a

43:47

frustrated fan, where it's like a you're a year eight

43:49

of a ten year rebuilding process.

43:51

One.

43:52

I can't think of.

43:52

Too many teams that flip the switch as quickly as

43:55

they have. Undert they were a dead zone,

43:57

they were a wilderness a number of

43:59

years ago. They completely have transformed

44:01

that, and I like them as much as the Bengals

44:04

or the Bills go deep into the playoffs.

44:06

I mean I felt that way last season.

44:07

Thanked Ell suffered a

44:10

bad leggadar. I think he broke his leg. He's up

44:12

and running.

44:13

However, this week everyone says he's great, and they have a second

44:15

round pick for a wider.

44:16

So that's great.

44:16

They do not have a first round pick after their trade

44:18

with the Viking, so yeah, I think they're telling

44:21

you, we like what we're building. So they've

44:23

kind of kept the roster more or less intact

44:26

and they're going to see if they can build off

44:28

year one with Stroud.

44:29

You can't blame him for that.

44:31

Right, I Mean, it's amazing

44:34

luxury to have that sort of continuity with a

44:36

relatively young roster on offense.

44:38

But there's plenty of veterans sprinkled in there where it's like

44:40

literally the exact same group in year two

44:42

under slowk. I mean they're expecting that

44:45

growth to just come from, you know, everyone

44:47

knowing what to do.

44:49

Expectations can be a bitch. Moving

44:55

on the Jacksonville

44:57

jack u ares with Mark Sessler.

44:58

And to Andrews's point, I

45:01

felt the same way about the Jaguars that you

45:03

know, a year ago they were the centerpiece and a

45:05

team that we were focused on as a playoff

45:08

new sense that could go do things we didn't

45:10

expect. But they've already tumbled behind

45:12

Stroud and the Texans and arguably even

45:14

maybe the Colts with Anthony Richardson in like the AFC

45:17

South sexiness rankings, and

45:19

I do like what they did though on one

45:21

level they didn't overpay for Calvin Ridley.

45:23

I think that showed that was a smart move to not do

45:25

that. I thought Mitch Morris at center makes

45:28

their offensive line tougher and nastier. I

45:30

love adding along with keeping

45:32

Josh Allen. Eric Armstead was about

45:34

the size of a front door to go a lot next to

45:36

freight Trayvon Walker. They can stop the run that

45:38

matters against the Colts it's going to matter against the Texans.

45:41

That said, this is a team that went one in five

45:43

down the stretch, and it kind of made me question

45:46

kind of the soul of the Jaguars, and

45:48

do you also feel a little suspicious

45:50

about what this team's ceiling is.

45:52

I think so much goes back to and I feel

45:54

like we've been talking about this a couple of years now, but

45:57

Trevor Lawrence and whether he's going

45:59

to become that dude,

46:01

and he showed signs of it the previous year. Last

46:03

year was he was just ruined by

46:05

injuries, and so I don't want to I

46:08

think people are like, well, everyone's so high in

46:10

Houston. I think people are a little quick now

46:12

to just just say Jacksonville's in the

46:14

deep background, because I think if you can

46:17

get a healthy year out of Lawrence,

46:19

that's going to cover up a lot of ills in this team and they may

46:21

be more competitive and even be a team that could

46:23

win this division with better health

46:26

and circumstances.

46:27

Let me ask you this real quick. It is heading into

46:29

year number four for Trevor Lawrence. It is that offseason

46:31

like with Herbert or Burrow or Josh Allen

46:33

where you write the big check. He is now

46:36

extension eligible. Do you write

46:38

Trevor Lawrence a big check this summer?

46:41

I would same, I

46:43

would because the price only goes up.

46:46

Correct, But what's the price Remember

46:48

the Dolphins punted there the Tua concussion.

46:51

Issues last year.

46:52

The price is lower if the

46:54

further you're out from free agency. And

46:57

I guess the larger question is is there any chance

46:59

they're not giving it. I'm a contract extension at

47:01

some point, I would say, no, they shouldn't

47:03

consider that.

47:03

So with that in mind, just sign him. Is that

47:05

what you're asking?

47:06

Though?

47:06

Like, do you really see him the top ten top

47:09

that he hates the guy now?

47:10

Trent Balkey on his end of the year presser said, Josh

47:12

Allen's not leaving, will tag him or do a deal?

47:14

And yay, guys, let yes, Trevor

47:16

is our guy. We're happy to do.

47:18

I think he's a step below the

47:20

top seven or eight guys, so the

47:22

contract becomes annoying or

47:25

tricky.

47:26

But what else are you gonna do?

47:27

Because to me, he's very much ahead of He's

47:30

way ahead of the Dalton line.

47:31

I would say his NFL career so far has

47:34

been a be But

47:36

that's the problem. Is he came in Towder's

47:39

a generational quarterback, and

47:41

that's I think a little bit of a tax that's working against him.

47:43

I think there's room for him to develop and grow. I think

47:45

those are the guys you bet on.

47:47

And look how he finished year two when he was healthy

47:49

as one of the best quarterbacks down the stretch in the league.

47:51

And last year you're right he was derailed by physical

47:53

ailment.

47:54

Hard to judge.

47:55

I like the artful dead move so much, one

47:57

of my favorites all off season. Agreed the

48:00

Indianapolis Colts with Andrew Siciliano.

48:02

Oh, sarahcuse graduate and

48:05

let me pull up my Colts free agent track.

48:07

The Orange Man on NFL punto

48:10

com well speaking of Orangemen. When

48:12

we start the clock there it

48:15

is bam speaking of Orangeman.

48:17

Zire Franklin, congratulations on your

48:19

new field.

48:20

That's a broadcast.

48:21

The Colts obviously made a point

48:23

of keeping in

48:26

the building with Michael Pittman and zay Or Franklin.

48:28

I feel like this is very much a Chris Ballard

48:31

incomplete conflicting

48:33

on who you want to believe, on whether or not Lugarius

48:35

Sneed is a legitimate target. I feel like they

48:37

still, however, have a have

48:39

a move to make here somewhere.

48:42

I love the Flacco move, and I know I'm

48:44

being a Browns homer here. I think Joe

48:46

Flacco, this version of Joe Flacco, not

48:49

the I'm tired and I don't like Lamar

48:51

is here and I want to get out of here. Joe Flacco

48:53

that we saw in Baltimore, but the one we saw last

48:55

year helps Anthony Richardson

48:57

immeasurably. And I think there is a good over

49:00

under to be had here. How

49:02

many games, considering Richardson's

49:04

injury pasted last year, does

49:07

Joe Flacco actually start? I'm gonna

49:09

go over under five and a half?

49:11

Whoa, because I think Richardson

49:13

it's the concussion thing in the way that they want to use

49:15

them. I could see that happening. And I think

49:17

you mentioned this Greg previously,

49:19

that like Shane Stikeen, it's a lot of shows

49:22

confidence to go have Anthony Richardson,

49:24

but then also say I can build an offense on the

49:26

fly around Joe Flacco too.

49:27

They're two completely different human.

49:29

I love that you pointed out the Steed news.

49:31

So there's been some reporting that Titans

49:34

Colts are possibility for sneed.

49:36

Him and Marshawn Lattimore are two really

49:39

big names out there that are going to change

49:41

someone's offseason, and the Colts would make a lot of sense

49:43

because if you go to the NFL dot Com,

49:45

it's a bunch of resignings.

49:47

Seven of them.

49:48

They resign Moss, you know, Zach

49:50

Bosson Minshew are the biggest players that left, so almost

49:52

no one's gone out. If you go on Our

49:55

Lads, which has the best depth charts, it's

49:57

highlighted if you have any new players. I did

50:00

this exercise for all the AFC teams today. They

50:02

are the only team without any highlighted

50:04

players in their starting lineup. They have the twenty two

50:07

essentially same starters as they

50:09

did a year ago, or at least people

50:11

that were on their roster a year ago. So they've they've made

50:13

almost no I like Raykwon Davis is a nice rotation

50:16

guy, and that's it. They're basically running

50:18

it back. I think they have another move to make.

50:20

The Colts this is from the athletic committed

50:22

one hundred and seventy million to

50:24

hang on to their internal guys, Pittman,

50:27

Franklin, Grover Stewart, Kenny

50:29

Moore the second good players, and I

50:31

think, like Houston, I think they

50:33

believe in what they're building. And it's

50:36

easy to forget now, but Richardson

50:38

really flashed in between

50:40

the injuries and you can't look you can't

50:43

look past the head stuff and then how his season

50:45

ended. But I really think there's a

50:47

reason for a lot of excitement around

50:50

this team. And yeah, I still see

50:52

him as a dark horse. Did you say five and a half?

50:53

Oh and a half? That's rue. I'm banging

50:55

the under just out of hope and optimism real

50:58

quick.

50:58

I was in Indianapolis Week six last year Brown's

51:00

Colts, and I was right after they had shut Richardson down

51:02

for the year, walking around town and in that building,

51:05

you thought their season was over. Nobody has

51:07

any reason to come to any game the rest of the year.

51:09

And look what they did. Good Jane Steike

51:11

and can coach. He's a great coach.

51:13

Good GM.

51:22

I'll take it, like, hold

51:25

on, do we have to wait until that very

51:27

last note fades into

51:30

Bolivian or somebody once.

51:31

Said you take the shot? I

51:35

mean, I don't think these rules confuse me. Take

51:37

it from the sixth floor of the book depositibs.

51:39

Well.

51:39

Also, these darts appear to

51:41

have no effect on a human.

51:43

I'm feeling losey. I have to say book

51:45

depository. Check out the new Rob Ryan or JFK

51:48

podcast.

51:49

It's interesting.

51:50

You want to talk about it all time out? Okay, Dartum

51:53

can't talk in the middle of the segment. I mean, this

51:55

is just it's Tennessee

51:57

Titans, all right.

51:59

Where where are the Titans at now?

52:01

Okay? So Derrick Henry out the door.

52:03

They also lose Aziz

52:05

al Shayer, Jean Murphy, Bunting,

52:07

Deniko Autry. Okay, but we add

52:10

Calvin Ridley, Tony Pollard, Lloyd Cushionberry.

52:12

That addresses three major areas of need

52:15

for this team. You get Mason Rudolph

52:17

in the building. So here's my question. The

52:21

seventh overall pick they have. They have Will Levis,

52:23

and they seem to really believe in Will Levis and

52:25

and maybe that's fine to just

52:27

turn the season over to him with a nice supporting

52:30

cast and see what happens. But I wonder,

52:32

like, move the sticks Jeremiah.

52:35

He's saying Joe Alt's the guy, and everybody loves

52:37

Joe Alt and adding someone after the Andre Dillard.

52:40

This fire makes a lot of sense at left tackle, and you

52:42

further build around this prospect.

52:44

But man, if.

52:46

There's a quarterback you like, not

52:49

gonna seventh, but maybe

52:51

you get a little ballsy and and

52:53

and trade up and make a move. I'm just saying,

52:55

are they laying in the weeds a little bit on a quarterback?

52:57

I don't think so.

52:58

I think though, they would love a quarterback to

53:00

fall there so they can get out sure

53:02

and get more.

53:03

Okay, I think that is their perfect scenario.

53:05

They're pretty committed to to let'say. It's a new coaching

53:08

staff, so that was a question mark coming

53:10

in. I mean, this is the team that added Bill

53:12

Callahan. I think that matters. So the issues

53:15

around the offensive line were terrible for

53:17

every quarterback the past couple of years in Tennessee.

53:20

They weren't great for the ground game, and so getting

53:22

the best tackle makes a lot of sense. I think it starts

53:25

right there to keep your quarterback safe to have a

53:27

functional offense.

53:28

They still have the third most amount of cap

53:30

space in the NFL. There's

53:32

too many teams with too much cap space. They have forty

53:34

six million dollars. Well, what was the point of all that they

53:36

have no good players to spend it on. So I guess that's

53:38

the reason that they played a lot of good players

53:41

great money. You know, in terms of Ridley,

53:43

like a Woozy is coming off of a down year.

53:46

They are kind of slipping a little back

53:48

into the background here. They're

53:50

the least exciting team now to me in

53:52

this division.

53:53

I just I don't want to because we've been

53:55

a little critical Tennessee and I don't want to go too

53:57

far down that road. But I just didn't

54:00

see it with Levis the way the

54:02

Titans see it, and they're

54:04

gonna develop him of another year it looks

54:06

like.

54:06

But I just think they should get some moments.

54:08

He had some.

54:08

Moments the Steelers game in prime to he got.

54:11

The one game had and

54:13

how much did he really show us?

54:15

He showed some big time throws, He showed some traits

54:17

in terms of being able to read the defense.

54:19

He also showed some you know, craziness.

54:21

I think you just like, I think

54:23

your point about Callahan is good because that's

54:26

to me, the biggest reason to

54:28

believe in this because otherwise it's kind of like a EH

54:31

coaching staff and a roster.

54:33

Yeah.

54:33

I mean, I'm with you, Dan though, Like there's

54:36

only one way to survive in the league right now,

54:38

and it's to have the best possible quarterback you can.

54:40

And like Levis could just be a one year

54:42

realization that this was not the guy, and then you've

54:45

wasted a season and you.

54:46

Could have had Dereck Henry with Brian Callahan and

54:48

a rebuilt.

54:49

Off that made that decision. But then you're

54:51

paying a thirty year old running back who.

54:52

Has You're paying tiny Tony Fire just as much.

54:55

That's fine. I like that combo him.

54:56

Yeah, look, they're the worst team

54:58

in the division.

54:59

But I think Pieces,

55:11

good job there.

55:12

Pieces.

55:12

I don't know what that means discipline.

55:14

I was really nervous for you there, because you've

55:16

taken many shots to the body

55:19

in the throat area.

55:20

The jugular took a couple of hits, but

55:22

that one you landed beautifully.

55:25

I feel like Indiana Jones here

55:27

floating down the river on a raft, just getting the

55:29

blow.

55:30

Dart.

55:30

Now, don't give them the dart because now we're heading

55:32

into a break. We have a little bit more.

55:34

I don't get the rules around this, the

55:36

darts situation on any level.

55:38

What what's pretty clear? Good

55:42

night now? Let's take a break and hit the AFC.

55:44

Weist all

55:47

right, we are back. It is time now to wrap

55:50

up this path around

55:52

the AFC in forty eight minutes. And

55:54

let us start with me, the

55:57

Zuzzar and the Kansas City Chiefs, the

55:59

defending Super Bowl champions.

56:00

Okay, here we go.

56:01

Hollywood Brown in the building, MVS

56:05

out of the building. I guess it's an upgrade.

56:07

I'm not that on fire about it, so

56:10

we'll see what happens.

56:11

I think.

56:14

Lagarious need, as we just mentioned earlier,

56:16

still on the roster on that franchise tag.

56:19

Is he the guy the chess piece that.

56:21

Allows them to bring in that real

56:24

piece they need on offense and to

56:27

make an aggressive move, whether it's up

56:29

the draft board or a player for player

56:31

swap. I am so curious

56:34

Andrew Siciliano, if the Chiefs

56:36

really have the gall to go into another

56:38

season with this type of skill group

56:41

around them and Travis Kelcey another year older

56:43

on offense, or are they gonna make the splash

56:45

move that makes so much sense.

56:46

I think they need to go go out and get a legit

56:48

number one marquise. Hollywood Brown,

56:51

although a nice piece and certainly I think makes

56:53

that offense better.

56:54

Is not in any way a legit number one.

56:56

Go back to the trade with the Cardinals gave up a first

56:58

round pick to get him on draft a couple years ago.

57:00

Is still just dumbfounding

57:02

to me, but happy for him that he found a good spot.

57:05

You can get it a legit number one, likely

57:08

picking at thirty two, you could, or

57:10

you could try to make a move up. I think they're fine.

57:12

I think they will figure it out one way or the other.

57:15

I do think tackle is a concern. Certainly

57:18

got to replace Donovan Smith, and

57:20

let's face at Jwan Taylor, who lined up

57:22

at full back for much of the season,

57:26

seems like a questionable signing now a year

57:28

past, It's.

57:29

Not a terrible draft for offensive lineman.

57:31

So it's same with wide receivers.

57:34

The Marquis Brown thing. I don't hate it with

57:36

this fit because it was a one year deal. They didn't

57:38

know for pay him. Like in Marky's

57:40

Brown was stuck in a run heavy Greg

57:42

Roman offense in Baltimore and played largely

57:45

without Kyler Murray for much of his time in Arizona.

57:47

So it's like I think the Chiefs are the one A

57:49

lot of landing spots for him. I would have been annoyed at

57:51

this. I think is part of a larger

57:53

plan. It's good for Rashid Rice. I think they draft

57:55

someone it looks like a different wipe.

57:57

I think he's a significant upgrade from Valdez Scantleen

57:59

and he's cheaper. And the difference between this year and

58:01

last year is you're going into this year kind of knowing Rashi

58:04

Rice is a two plus

58:06

maybe with room to grow.

58:08

So now you have two guys that are guys you need

58:10

one more. The sneed piece is

58:13

massive. I do wonder if they're letting

58:15

him test the market and see, like, hey, no one's given

58:17

you that contract that you want, maybe it's

58:19

not so bad to just come back with us

58:22

for one more year because that defense man, they have

58:24

great continuity for a defensive defending

58:27

champion. They're quite young on defense

58:29

with a lot of those same players coming back.

58:30

Like I like that if I'm a Chief.

58:32

It was Mahomes with some help

58:34

obviously, just enough help, and then a great

58:36

defense with a great defensive coordinator

58:39

that got it done. I feel like also that

58:41

they kind of got away with murder a little bit

58:43

this past year where they had some roster flaws

58:45

that otherwise would have sunk their season, but

58:48

so many things broke against other teams around

58:50

them. Thank you that they still

58:53

won the chair. Reminds me of the twenty eighteen

58:55

Patriots. Yeah, lesser team that won the tip.

58:57

They dance with the devil and survive this year. Give

59:00

yourself a better chance.

59:04

The Raiders with Greggy

59:07

all right, this is this hit a quarterback,

59:09

this is it. We're gonna just go

59:11

into giving the Raiders like five primetime

59:14

games again and with Gardner Minshew

59:18

O'Connell.

59:18

Because man, they've been quiet.

59:20

It's been a quiet like they swapped in Alexander

59:23

Madison for Jacobs. They

59:25

got a lot of work. I look at this is one of the worst

59:27

rosters to me still in the

59:29

AFC. Defensive tackle, huge

59:31

need. Running back is a huge need. Wide receiver to me, they're

59:33

kind of in there. Quarterback is certainly a huge

59:35

need. They need quarterbacks like and

59:38

Antonio Pearce has got a tough job and it's

59:40

even tougher if that's really it,

59:43

or do they do they move up for a quarterback.

59:45

With this office send it to Antonio pierced.

59:47

Well, it's it's almost saying if you

59:49

get seven wins out of this roster, that might be

59:51

a good work.

59:52

Do you see how we finished?

59:53

It's one of those.

59:54

It's a team that kind of feels like they're just floating

59:56

out in the ether, and I'm not sure what the plan is.

59:58

You're stuck with the thirteen pick.

1:00:00

If you're looking for a quarterback, you've got

1:00:02

to move up probably to get the guy you want, unless it's

1:00:04

the fourth or fifth guy off the board. It'll be the fourth

1:00:06

or fifth guy off the board. But it

1:00:08

feels very raiders as to just have to sort of settle

1:00:10

for that. It feels like years in a row we're settling a quarterback,

1:00:13

and even Wilkin.

1:00:13

You bring in Wilkins in like, yeah, they still

1:00:15

need another defensive tackle.

1:00:17

They are the eighth most cap room.

1:00:18

To me, they need a lot and they've been very

1:00:21

quiet surprisingly other than the Wilkins move.

1:00:23

I don't think Tom Telesco can come in and just

1:00:25

tear the whole thing down, although there was only so much

1:00:27

to tear down.

1:00:28

I like the Wilkins thing.

1:00:29

I would. I don't know that he's worth the

1:00:32

thirteenth pick. I am a big Michael

1:00:34

Pennox fan. I know DJ in

1:00:36

his most recent mock draft mocked

1:00:38

Pennix there and that would be spice

1:00:41

is chaos, that would

1:00:43

be spicy. We know because

1:00:46

they are together at ASU that

1:00:48

Antonio Pierce loves him some g

1:00:51

loves loves, loves, loves, loves, loves loves.

1:00:55

But that is expensive

1:00:58

to go up there. That's the one the

1:01:00

watch. But that I mean you are. You

1:01:02

are selling Vegas time shares for the

1:01:04

next five years worth of draft picks

1:01:07

to move up.

1:01:08

Don't.

1:01:08

Yeah, you don't. Again, like we said earlier, don't

1:01:10

force a QB pick.

1:01:11

If it's not there. You want to be aggressive,

1:01:14

go get it.

1:01:15

But I know the Minchew story was a nice story

1:01:17

playing in you know, a lukewarmed

1:01:20

AFC South. If you send

1:01:22

Minchew out there in the AFC West and you get the

1:01:24

Chiefs twice, and I just feel like it

1:01:26

needs.

1:01:27

To be the backup or the bridge for

1:01:29

I.

1:01:29

Don't know if it gets out O'Connell. Even if this

1:01:31

is it, I sort of can't

1:01:33

believe this is it. They've had

1:01:35

they should have done to me the Commander's

1:01:38

type of offseason where it's like they

1:01:41

role players. Just signed ten to twelve guys

1:01:43

that can possibly play. Yeah,

1:01:46

instead of spending all your money on just one guy,

1:01:49

Wilkin.

1:01:49

There's definitely another move to be made

1:01:51

here. I just can't believe this is what they're going to try

1:01:53

to sell to Raiders fans.

1:01:55

And you know you got You're probably right. They

1:01:57

probably get Pennix or.

1:01:58

The piece Devanta Adams

1:02:01

is there too. That's a major

1:02:03

chess piece to play potentially.

1:02:06

Cannot wait to see the Receiver show

1:02:08

on Netflix with McDaniels and Adams.

1:02:17

The Denver Broncos with Mark Edward

1:02:19

Sessler.

1:02:20

All right, Uh, Sean Payton,

1:02:23

you know, came to Denver and right out of the

1:02:25

gate, what are we doing

1:02:27

there?

1:02:28

You started talking before the I got to reset

1:02:30

clocks and stuff.

1:02:31

Sometimes you guys are quick on you say, I'm quick

1:02:33

on the trigger.

1:02:34

It's likening. It

1:02:36

does seem Eric though we're taking your

1:02:38

time. You tend to interrupt Mark more than others.

1:02:41

Is that a respect thing? What it's going on?

1:02:42

That seems to carry over?

1:02:43

Producer by the way, all

1:02:47

right here we go, Mark?

1:02:49

All right, so hey fresh, that's

1:02:51

that's that's I would

1:02:53

say this like Sean Peyton, in a very

1:02:55

Sean Payton esquay came to Denver and you

1:02:57

know quickly slashes the

1:02:59

pre v coach, old Daddy

1:03:01

Hackett and old Teddy

1:03:05

the team's troubles, so like it, We're in a fresh start now I'm here.

1:03:07

Then the Russell Wilson, you know, it does what we

1:03:09

expected him to do to some degree. And if you blame Russell

1:03:12

Wilson to get him out of the building, I think it's interesting

1:03:14

that this team has done literally nothing. They are cap

1:03:17

strung there. It's a weird season.

1:03:19

There's a depressing feel around it. But Sean Payton

1:03:22

is running out of people to blame. And I always

1:03:24

kind of wonder, like, how long is his patients

1:03:26

for this project that they don't get someone

1:03:28

at quarterback that he can work with. Maybe it's Bonnicks

1:03:30

at this point, But do you believe still in Sean

1:03:32

Payton as someone like you did with the Saints way

1:03:35

back when he can fix all this mess? Or

1:03:37

is it someone else gets blamed and then he's the fall

1:03:39

guy?

1:03:39

And I believe in Peyton still.

1:03:42

I also kind of disagree that

1:03:44

he's running out of people to point

1:03:46

out because when he came in last year, he

1:03:49

inherited Russell Wilson in an odious contract

1:03:51

and it was almost like you had to get

1:03:54

through last year just to kind

1:03:56

of make your move through the Russell Wilson era,

1:03:59

and unfortunately now you have to trade Russell

1:04:01

Wilson. It's really why Sean Payton taking

1:04:03

the job in the first place was a big risk because

1:04:05

of the Wilson situation, because now obviously your

1:04:08

cap strap for multiple years. So now

1:04:11

I think is the beginning to me of the Sean Payton

1:04:13

era. However, andreew

1:04:16

I also think he has

1:04:18

one hand tied behind his back and it's going to be challenging

1:04:21

to get this team up and running

1:04:23

this year and maybe even through next year.

1:04:25

So it's a huge challenge.

1:04:26

If he is as good as he thinks he is, and as

1:04:29

he's proven in his past, we're gonna have to see

1:04:31

it starting this year.

1:04:32

I think they're another team that obviously

1:04:34

we've all said this, you have to keep an eye on to be aggressive

1:04:36

on draft Knight, to try to move up and get the quarterback

1:04:39

because if not, then you are looking at

1:04:41

Jarrett Stidham and Boick.

1:04:44

I mean, I.

1:04:45

Don't know that that is the pick there

1:04:47

either. I don't know what they're

1:04:50

doing, to be honest with you, and they

1:04:52

have a plan. You want

1:04:54

to talk about a team, however, that has pressure

1:04:56

on its shoulders, come draft Knight on

1:04:58

April twenty fifth to do something.

1:05:01

I think this is that team.

1:05:03

It is interesting they had the twelfth pick

1:05:05

and the Raiders had that thirteenth pick.

1:05:07

That could change the division for a long time. No one's

1:05:09

done less really this offseason.

1:05:11

I went to check that improvement in dex

1:05:14

I was just looking at it. I gotta say that Bronco's got

1:05:16

to be pretty.

1:05:16

They are twenty nine, so.

1:05:18

Yeah, sider they got. They gave

1:05:20

away Judy for a five and a six when they were

1:05:22

asking for a two last year duty.

1:05:25

They're starting QB and Russell Wilson, which you know

1:05:27

they can replace. But Cushion Barry who played a

1:05:29

lot for them, Josie Jewels played a lot for them.

1:05:31

Well Justin Simmons who played a lot. So

1:05:33

it wasn't a great roster to begin with. Who have they brought

1:05:35

in? Like Brandon Jones, a safety from the

1:05:37

Dolphins, who's.

1:05:38

Okay, got well what's back?

1:05:39

Oh wait?

1:05:40

They brought they brought in some like

1:05:43

forty sixth guy on the roster, players that

1:05:45

used to play for Sean Payton, what a shock.

1:05:47

We had no money.

1:05:51

We close out the AFC with

1:05:54

andrews Ceciliano on.

1:05:56

The Chargers the third

1:05:58

week of October. Gentlemen, last year,

1:06:01

where were you? You're likely

1:06:03

here, I'll answer, I think you might have been in London. Do

1:06:05

you remember then, maybe from

1:06:07

over there watching Sharon

1:06:10

Moore in Michigan run twenty eight consecutive

1:06:13

times against Penn State because

1:06:15

they couldn't block.

1:06:16

It was out after correct

1:06:18

about how much he loves That's what I

1:06:20

remember.

1:06:21

That's what they're going to do here with

1:06:23

your Chargers of Los Angeles.

1:06:25

When their moves are will Disley, Hayden

1:06:27

Hurst and Gus Edwards. That tells

1:06:30

you everything. And then Mike

1:06:32

Williams and Keenan Allen are both out the

1:06:34

door. Everyone who thinks they're going

1:06:36

wide receiver at five haha,

1:06:38

No, they are playing big boy

1:06:41

football. They might take Joe out then

1:06:43

you you they could? You want to

1:06:45

do a over under a Flacco

1:06:48

starts? How about Herbert pass attempts

1:06:50

per game like that? That's going to

1:06:52

be like Twentyrew. Here's

1:06:55

the problem with that. Thinking to me is

1:06:57

that this isn't Alex Smith anymore.

1:07:00

Jim Harbaugh's got Justin Herbert, who

1:07:02

is a great young quarter Oh, you're gonna you're

1:07:04

just gonna throw the ball into that Greg Roman.

1:07:07

Look what they did at Stanford with Andrew Luck.

1:07:10

Okay, it's fair they

1:07:12

they played six tight ends. Right.

1:07:14

Is there any world where like

1:07:16

you are rebuilding the team to some degree and like

1:07:19

you would ever move Justin Herbert?

1:07:21

No, and get a different quarterback. Absolutely

1:07:23

not.

1:07:23

I've heard that fans thinking

1:07:26

like, hey, there's this non zero chance we can get Herbert

1:07:28

next to zero.

1:07:29

No, it's it's actually zero. It is zero.

1:07:31

Yes, So I've found because I'm

1:07:33

like, what are they doing here? You know it's new GM,

1:07:36

Joe Hortz, we don't know Harbor's back. It's been a long

1:07:38

time. What are they doing? And it feels

1:07:40

to me like they just

1:07:42

decided to keep the defenses. You can only

1:07:44

overhaul one side of the ball maybe per

1:07:46

offseason, and they decide we're going to restart

1:07:49

this offense. Because we're offensive coaches,

1:07:51

we know how to coach up offense. We actually

1:07:53

inherited quite a good offensive

1:07:55

line on paper. We can add like one piece, but

1:07:57

like compared the league average, this is a good offense line,

1:08:00

a good quarterback, we trust that we can

1:08:02

remake the offense and let's

1:08:04

just kick the can down the court, you

1:08:06

know, a year on defense.

1:08:08

By keeping Mac and keep both.

1:08:10

I actually think that's the smart way to do it,

1:08:12

because they can coach up the offense maybe more.

1:08:14

My one thing is like issues with

1:08:16

Herbert with the last two offensive coordinators, like not

1:08:18

quite using him the way that you'd want him

1:08:20

to be used in certain situations, especially a couple of

1:08:22

years ago, and so now you're going to put him into

1:08:24

an offense that looks like a nineteen forty

1:08:26

three creator.

1:08:27

Get to see though they're very creative, They're very

1:08:30

people are copying what they do in terms of their run

1:08:32

game.

1:08:33

Like there, they are a creative offense. I think

1:08:35

even if.

1:08:35

It's run for this, I thought getting rid of both

1:08:38

they're yeah out wide receivers and

1:08:40

Gerald Evertt was a choice.

1:08:41

As they say, I see, I thought they might wipe both

1:08:43

those guys and gotten rid of both end Matt.

1:08:45

That's what I expected, and they did the opposite.

1:08:47

They've got nothing. They've got Josh Palmer and nothing

1:08:49

like Allen.

1:08:51

If you want and keep Mike Williams or cut Mike Williams

1:08:53

and keep keenan al. But now they've really

1:08:55

put themselves in a pickle in terms.

1:08:58

Of your

1:09:00

lightning bolt.

1:09:05

We did it and we went into the locker

1:09:07

room with the te o, which also you

1:09:10

don't want to do, but we did and

1:09:12

that's okay too.

1:09:13

Well, we had to get you know, Andrew to

1:09:15

Beverly Hills, have a Beverly Hilton

1:09:18

or something.

1:09:18

What is going

1:09:21

on the.

1:09:22

You want to pull back the curtain on on the eligible

1:09:24

Bachelor. I am of the South bed.

1:09:26

I no, I'm

1:09:29

going to be doing it. Was just announced today actually

1:09:32

back for a third Olympics with NBC,

1:09:34

and I'm going to be doing like a gold zone

1:09:36

like red zone. But the Olympics

1:09:39

did it for Sochi and did it for Rio

1:09:42

and now we're bringing it back on the Peacock. What

1:09:44

does that have to do with a ritzy hommer games. I'm

1:09:46

getting there. It's not a hotel. Have to

1:09:48

do a fitting for their wardrobe? Oh

1:09:51

wow? So yes, yeah

1:09:53

there.

1:09:53

The reaction was a little more excited

1:09:55

than I was fitting for the war.

1:09:57

I mean that he's getting fitting. This is

1:09:59

uh there, Well, Andrew

1:10:01

stays in good shape. They're like, he's actually bigger

1:10:03

than last Olympics.

1:10:05

I'm actually smaller than last

1:10:07

I met, like muscly or something.

1:10:09

You did get the suit from NFL network with your name

1:10:12

etched inside?

1:10:12

Did did they spell your name right? They took?

1:10:19

But you know what I did? I did?

1:10:21

I said to back, really said, bring

1:10:23

it back to me properly spelled they

1:10:25

did?

1:10:26

How did they spell it? What was they spelled Dan

1:10:28

wrong?

1:10:29

The n was after the z or something. It was an outrageous

1:10:32

typo.

1:10:33

I checked into the hotel and mobile at the Senior

1:10:35

Bowl and you know the Mary It says on the screen, Hello

1:10:38

Comma Greg right M

1:10:40

seeing that? Yeah, it just said hello Siciliana.

1:10:43

I'm like, we're

1:10:46

talking to each other.

1:10:46

And I will never complain about free

1:10:49

stuff. It was a very nice gesture from

1:10:51

the NFL. They that media summit,

1:10:54

they fitted us for suits and everybody got a new

1:10:56

suit, got to pick out the material.

1:10:57

Really cool.

1:10:58

Yeah, we don't doubt that you appreciate shit.

1:11:00

I tried on.

1:11:01

I tried on the suit and it was like

1:11:03

David Byrne in the Talking Heads

1:11:05

documentary. I was like, I can't,

1:11:09

this is not it's not a flattering

1:11:11

look on the Zazza. I can't. I can't do this. So

1:11:13

that ended up with a lot of issues with the suit

1:11:15

as a turney, I liked.

1:11:18

You've been through a lot, Dan, and we odd you know,

1:11:20

we know that.

1:11:21

Now we're no longer you know. Unfortunately

1:11:25

NFL now is no longer a program.

1:11:27

That was the only time I ever wore a suit in my life.

1:11:29

So it doesn't come up too often.

1:11:30

True, and I'm past the wedding phase,

1:11:34

wed, so the

1:11:36

idea of wearing a suit is becoming.

1:11:39

You don't play bar mitzvos or anything like that.

1:11:42

No, but Andrew trying to get me a job with NBC

1:11:44

on their Olympics tennis coverage.

1:11:46

I attempted to do that. He's not throwing

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up.

1:11:48

Oh, I tried twelve years ago because my old

1:11:50

boss, you know, runs things there and stuff I

1:11:53

struck up.

1:11:53

It seems like you have it in well.

1:11:55

Yeah, you hit it off the

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mic, big strikeout you and John mac

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This was like twelve years ago.

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Yeah, Andrew, you have said

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it all.

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He could have been the next Patrick McEnroe. Stop

1:12:06

stop, Thank you buddy, Thank

1:12:08

you for inviting me.

1:12:09

Guys.

1:12:11

Great spin around the AFC tomorrow,

1:12:14

the NFC with the great Clay

1:12:16

Bond how are we doing. By the way, Eric

1:12:18

on the Clay Bond theme songs.

1:12:20

I have a couple.

1:12:21

I have a couple that we will debut tomorrow. Something

1:12:23

that's something look forward ATM podcast at

1:12:25

gmail dot com.

1:12:26

And Siliano theme songs.

1:12:28

Anybody, Oh yeah, anybody send him

1:12:30

in, Send him in the ATM podcast.

1:12:32

I especially the call is out for

1:12:34

more Colleen theme songs.

1:12:36

Be creative, keep

1:12:39

it shut yourself, keep it on.

1:12:40

A short joke for me and Colleen. That's a big one.

1:12:42

Keep it short. This these three minute long songs

1:12:45

that get sent in ours. What did we decide was the

1:12:47

limit we want? Like twenty seconds, like a little sting,

1:12:49

you know, thirty thirty thirty max.

1:12:51

Yeah, this is we're not looking for November rain

1:12:53

here. Yeah, thirty seconds max. Twenty

1:12:56

seconds often nice, you know, put maybe

1:12:58

a little fade underneath them when we you

1:13:00

know, a little Belgian whistles. But yeah, nothing longer than

1:13:02

don't test our patients exactly, but

1:13:06

please give us your music. We would love it,

1:13:09

all right, Andrew, good luck with the Olympics.

1:13:11

Love you guys, Love you too till Thursday.

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You know what you gotta do, Greg,

1:13:18

do you know what we gotta do.

1:13:19

I've always known what you gotta do. Chris Westling

1:13:22

told us what to do. I've got it

1:13:24

on my arm. There it is, heath

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the call