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Walking on my way into the studio.

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TV screens everywhere less now after

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the storms took out half of the electronics

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in our building a couple months

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ago, but walked by a screen and then they

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had the drafts scroll, you

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know, with the various mock drafts

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from our experts. In fact, we have an

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expert coming in later today in

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studio.

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Tease.

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So the Jets logo and now

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the Jets on Monday announced they have they have gone

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back.

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And it's interesting too when

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you start to get old.

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And hasn't happened for me yet, but yeah,

1:01

and you you realize that everything just

1:04

repeats, so they

1:06

now, So anyway it started their.

1:07

Logo is the name of logo that everybody remembers.

1:10

Then in the seventies and eighties they had the blocky

1:12

jet spont that we remember so well marked with the.

1:14

Jet on top.

1:16

Sure, then in ninety

1:19

when Parcels got there in ninety seven

1:21

to ninety eight, they went back to name

1:23

it then they went to some type

1:25

of bizarre hybrid during the gase

1:27

I call it the gase that are

1:29

And now they're back to the seventies and eighties jet

1:32

with the So that's what I saw in the scroll and I was like, that was

1:35

cool. And then yesterday I also

1:37

saw the Jaguars are celebrating their thirtieth

1:39

anniversary. Wow, which

1:41

is that well age of man, and they

1:43

will be wearing throwbacks from thirty years ago.

1:45

And I saw it just before we started.

1:48

Mark you're mentioning, Yeah, well, the Cleveland

1:50

Browns, you know, I guess remember

1:52

the Browns had the horrible uniforms.

1:54

You they had to wait five years to get out of them. Like during our Cleveland

1:56

was like, yeah, that's all over. I forget

1:58

it. Where you're from the land.

2:00

All these other teams seem to be able to change whatever

2:02

they want, like every couple of years. But Cleveland made a couple of

2:04

little tweaks and they went back to their white face masks,

2:06

which they had from seventy

2:09

five through ninety five right before they moved.

2:11

So one of their best eras in the

2:13

eighties there, especially early nineties with Belichick.

2:16

Then again though in ninety nine through two thousand

2:18

and five, which was a disaster, but I think we don't

2:20

talk about those year. No, the white face

2:22

masks literally look better. I think they're

2:24

going to maybe adopt like the thinner stripes, and there's

2:26

little tweaks that they're bringing up, making even

2:28

more old ideas.

2:30

Greggie, Yeah, when's the last so the brown

2:32

that's a throwback to the Jets had

2:35

just talked about when's the last time a

2:37

team redid their uniforms? And it was a

2:39

completely fresh uniform and it was like, Oh, that's

2:41

that's cool?

2:42

Or are we just now we're just probably answer

2:44

eighties? Like you're right, none are.

2:46

Like I remember when the Bucks rebranded in the late nineties,

2:49

it was like, oh my god, they just totally everything

2:52

feels different now sure enough it was under Dungee.

2:54

Well let's think about that. Maybe we're missing one at

2:56

pay behind the glass big funk. Maybe you guys,

2:59

that's.

2:59

That's fast, that's that's life,

3:01

that's even even art has these

3:03

like different cycles. But yes, I

3:06

always remember when we were growing up watching

3:08

like the old NBA clips of how

3:10

short Robert Parrish's shorts were

3:13

in the NBA and Larry Bird at that time, and

3:15

thinking like, well, that's a ridiculous thing

3:17

that will never happen again, and it's best completely

3:19

differ us tennis right now, Like the shorts

3:21

are actually shorter than the basketball shorts

3:23

from the eighties, and it's coming for all of us. It's

3:26

it's summer of thigh and I see,

3:28

we.

3:28

Love that trend. Thy many of us, all three of us equally

3:31

loved that trend.

3:31

I recently rewatched the

3:34

thirty for thirty Fab five and that was

3:36

a big part of their statement that they were different. It's

3:38

like, I'm gonna wear clown shorts and

3:40

everyone else is wearing the spankys.

3:42

Shout out to the Jaguars fans you mentioning

3:44

that it's the thirtieth anniversary. I

3:46

know you guys don't want to hear it's. Oh the Browns and Jets.

3:48

We've had.

3:49

It's so hard, like sneaky, a lot of heartbreak.

3:51

Now they've act they've never made They were still one of the only

3:53

teams that have never made the Super Bowl. They're thirty

3:55

years old. That that takes up the vast

3:57

majority of our lives here in

4:00

a weird run that they've had because they were

4:03

one of the best teams in the NFL for their first

4:05

five seasons and been mostly

4:08

stuck in mediacore.

4:09

On your below, just as an asterix, I would note that the

4:11

Browns are one of the other few teams that have.

4:12

No I get it, been around for two I get it. I just

4:15

mean in terms of living humans.

4:17

At this point, you're a thirty five

4:19

year old. With the Jags, you're forty year old.

4:22

It's been a lot of a lot of losing.

4:23

And don't forget Greg you especially

4:26

although you conveniently have moved

4:28

this out of your brain. Miles Jack

4:30

wasn't down. I was gonna say, was there like a heartbreak

4:33

moment for the Jaguars.

4:34

Sure they made three conference championships,

4:37

you didn't win one.

4:37

Of them, right, But when you basically

4:39

have clinched a conference

4:42

championship win and the officials

4:44

and perhaps the league conspire to

4:46

ensure the Jaguars don't get to go to the Super Bowl,

4:48

so the Patriots can go to their fourteenth Super Bowl,

4:51

as happened without any.

4:53

That's exactly That's exactly what happened.

4:55

And so Jags fans out there is the greatest

4:57

what if in JAG's history. Miles

5:00

Jack wasn't down twenty seventeen

5:02

AFC Championship.

5:03

Do you remember that play?

5:04

Of course I remember that play, And because

5:07

he wasn't, they had the Patriots on the

5:09

ropes. That defense

5:11

was special. I don't think they would have won the Super Bowl that year

5:13

anyways, but that defense was special.

5:15

And the second time they lost

5:17

to the Patriots in the

5:19

conference championship because Drew Bledsoe

5:22

took care of them way back in nineteen

5:25

ninety six. Probably their biggest

5:27

heartbreak moment was the year they were the one seed and they

5:29

were I think were sixteen and two or something and

5:31

their division rivals, the Titans, came

5:33

in there and they stomped them. And

5:35

I think the Jags were decent sized favorites in that

5:37

game. End absolutely, I knew, don't do this.

5:41

What are you talking about the Jaguars greatest heartbreak?

5:43

Yeah, great, twenty

5:45

to ten.

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I'm just saying that was their best team twenty

5:48

they they were a one.

5:49

Seed Jaguars over Patriots thirteen

5:51

thirty seven to go in the fourth quarter

5:54

in Foxborough.

5:55

Jack picks up a loose ball.

5:57

He's going into the end zone to make it twenty seven to ten

5:59

with thir ten and half minutes to play. Instead

6:02

they wave it off and then the Patriot's

6:04

gone to win.

6:05

Well, I didn't want the Jaguard to beat that.

6:07

Here's the upsow you shouldn't have done is

6:09

blow a two score lead there

6:11

in the fourth quarter.

6:13

One upset together the AFC title game

6:15

that Jaguars and points the play caller

6:17

for the Jaguars, Nathaniel

6:20

Hackett.

6:20

There he is.

6:21

I don't know what he's gonna learned since, but uh,

6:23

he had quite a nice run with the Jaguars.

6:26

Staniel Hackett.

6:26

I think he actually that really helped his career

6:29

because he was able to say that, well, I made

6:31

something out of Blake Portles.

6:32

Every now and then, I mean bade two seasons later.

6:34

Every now and then, I feel like, oh, we're underserving

6:37

certain fan bases. Some teams get talked

6:39

about more than others. We just gave a

6:41

great look back on the Jacksonville Jaguars.

6:43

Right, we lost most of our listeners, but that's now,

6:45

it's a fascinating Here was

6:47

a heartbreaking, crescendoing, rough moment

6:50

for you Jaguars fans.

6:50

Let's spend twelve minutes on it.

6:52

Another underserved fan base because

6:55

of the scard in my left, the New York Giants.

6:57

We're gonna dive deep a little.

6:58

Bit of that is the our listeners,

7:01

Please please tell us if you disagree with

7:03

that.

7:04

Because or tell us

7:06

if you agree.

7:06

Yeah, because I think if you if

7:09

you just did a word cloud of all

7:11

the teams that we've talked about in the history of this

7:13

podcast, and even in the last five years, Giants

7:16

are easily top ten. Okay,

7:18

I would go top top six. Yeah, but you're typically

7:20

because you guys love the Giants, but you're.

7:22

Shading negative on them.

7:23

I think we're fans going Okay, most

7:25

negat said word cloud is Greg trying to

7:27

assassinate the franchise's character or

7:30

disregard them, or disparage them or

7:32

discredit them, and then us as

7:35

journalists reading to tell

7:37

the other side of the story.

7:38

Balance. This is a major pivot.

7:41

Point in the current structure

7:43

of Giants history, so we

7:45

might need a certain segment

7:47

to help us out unpack it

7:49

all with a special guest, And I did mention a

7:51

special guest coming up. He is a draft

7:54

expert. He has been with this company

7:56

for many years. He's a good guy all

7:59

around.

7:59

Chat ruder.

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Yeah, joining

8:02

us breaking down his last mock draft. But before

8:04

that's some news.

8:05

Yeah, I mean, first of all, also with thank god.

8:07

Man, listen,

8:19

I'm very happy for Travis kelcey and

8:21

and he's currently

8:23

dating the most famous woman in the world, beautiful

8:26

talented woman, and he's a major

8:28

star as a as a result. In fact, he's

8:30

about to host a new show

8:32

on Amazon Prime, Are You Smarter Than a Celebrity?

8:35

Which is kind of funny because some of his old tweets, But that's

8:38

that's separate, that's what makes them a good Yeah, yeah,

8:41

but I do. I do love me some

8:43

pre Taylor Travis. And that was

8:46

from the AFC title game a previous

8:48

season against the Bengals when yeah,

8:50

nobody, nobody, uh

8:53

the Chiefs could never beat a Joe Burrow team. Well they

8:55

did in that game. I'm looking forward to Joe Burrow

8:57

being back on the scene this year. If you want to talk talk

8:59

yoh poop, see

9:01

that that's pre Taylor Travis.

9:04

It's got a little bit more of that the white

9:06

boy flow, and he's you know.

9:07

Well and when they say that we are the people's

9:10

podcast in their hearts, like we literally lost

9:12

a contest for best sports podcast

9:14

to Kelsey's podcast. So

9:17

but we're able to still see him as at

9:19

fair and balance.

9:19

And honor to be nominated Mark just an honor, well true,

9:22

just an honor. All right, let's start

9:24

with a little bit of.

9:26

Draft intrigue, because

9:29

the Washington commanders, picking

9:33

number two in the draft, have

9:36

obviously interest in a quarterback, and the

9:39

commanders are doing everything they can to

9:42

be ready for next Thursday's big

9:44

decision. And on Wednesday

9:47

they welcome in LSU quarterback Jade

9:49

and Daniels, North Carolina quarterback Drake

9:52

May, Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy,

9:54

Washington quarterback Michael Pennix, all

9:56

visiting the facility

9:58

tonight and tomorrow. So

10:01

this was last night and today according

10:03

to Burt Breer. So that's called

10:05

due diligence. That feels us a little bit. What

10:07

do we that feels a little much to pack him

10:09

in all like that, But who knows how these schedules work.

10:11

The commanders if there, if you ever wanted

10:14

to wager something, because

10:16

I know that's something people do. Now the commander

10:18

is taking a quarterback and number two is off

10:20

the board, like you couldn't I don't think you could even do

10:22

that if you wanted to because it's so obvious it's gonna happen.

10:25

It's just who's it going to be.

10:27

It's going to be Jaden Daniels

10:29

according to the betting

10:31

markets that you mentioned, and according

10:34

to Adam Schefter, who

10:37

does this thing every draft season. I've noticed

10:39

where he kind of tells

10:41

you what the picks are going to be, but he doesn't report

10:43

him. But he'll do something like go on a

10:45

Commander's fan podcast

10:48

this week or last and say like, yeah,

10:51

I think you can pretty much order your Daniel's jerseason.

10:53

It's like, huh, that's interesting, and you look.

10:55

At what he's tweeted out and he's he he

10:57

couches it all as if like you're not allowed

10:59

to report this, but you kind of know it, and then

11:02

he ends up getting it right. I found with these

11:04

these high level ones and he Adam

11:07

Scheft shift and he's been on the

11:09

Daniels front. So that's part of

11:11

the reason why I wanted to bring this up was

11:14

to me, that is significant that he's become

11:16

kind of the heavy favorite to go to Washington, which

11:18

you know, as a Patriots fan, I'm thrilled about because I'd

11:20

love to get Drake May in the third spot. But I also

11:23

just imagine what is it like in the facility when all

11:25

these four quarterbacks are Are they

11:27

there at the same time? I don't really know. Are they all going

11:29

out to dinner at the same time? That is usually how

11:31

it goes. That is a I would love to have

11:33

a camera on that and just see see the dynamic.

11:35

I would see because outside of the schefter nugget

11:39

there, like Washington's done a nice job of

11:41

not playing their hands here, and I feel like this is

11:43

kind of like the next version of that, Like, hey, we're

11:46

bringing them all in.

11:46

But if even Pennix, who like

11:48

in theory they would have to trade back, you would think if

11:50

they took it right.

11:51

If it is Daniels, then the

11:53

only thing this does for me that's intriguing

11:56

is like if Daniels is

11:58

more unlikable or less impressive with the

12:01

other three guys, and like someone could somehow

12:03

supersed him. I don't think that's gonna happen, But I find

12:05

it weird to have all four Like would you want to pick

12:07

a life partner or a spouse and have four

12:09

people in the same room competing

12:12

for it? Maybe reality, but maybe, But I think

12:14

that's sort of like fugazy on some level. Like

12:16

also with quarterbacks, don't you want to take him into a room

12:18

isolated and like show us how you

12:21

do this and that you know, like really learn

12:23

who they are or is it like group think

12:25

and dinners?

12:25

We'll see.

12:26

I like that, we're not even Caleb.

12:29

Doesn't you have to go down there? Well that and that's

12:31

thankful. I mean, he can probably get a free dinner out of

12:33

it if you wanted to. But even the commanders are

12:35

like, uh, we're you know, could minderstand

12:37

what's happening there? In

12:39

other news, by the way, mentioned Patrick

12:42

Mahomes. He has had

12:44

obviously an all time start to

12:46

his career. He's won three Super Bowls, He's won

12:48

through three Super Bowl MVPs. For each of those

12:51

games, he's won two NFL MVPs. He

12:53

is only twenty eight years old, and

12:56

that has led to a lot of talk.

12:58

Everybody wants to talk all the.

13:00

Time about who's the goat, And

13:02

it was Joe Montana, and then

13:04

it was maybe Peyton Manning and then Tom Brady

13:07

and based on success

13:10

and statistically also, I mean I

13:12

still have to say it's Tom Brady. But Patrick

13:14

Mahons' the start is all time and he has a good perspective

13:16

on it. And here's a quote because he was named one of the

13:18

world's most Influential People of twenty

13:21

twenty four by Time magazine, which is still

13:23

hanging in there.

13:24

Time still think.

13:26

The only time I hear about it is when it's

13:28

the Time Top one hundred. They have a little party. Inevitably

13:31

it's someone in sports or someone I follow

13:33

on Twitter, and they're at the top the Time one

13:35

hundred party, So they got enough juice that they get them to show

13:37

up to the party.

13:38

My senior year of college, as

13:41

a big U two fan who was obsessed,

13:43

especially at that age, Bono was

13:45

on the cover of like the May two thousand and two issue

13:47

and it's like a big picture of a big serious Bono face

13:50

of the glasses holding up in a leather jacket

13:52

with the American flag inside, and then the headline

13:54

is Ken Bono Save the World.

13:56

And I was like, Okay, I'm putting on the door of

13:58

my dorm for rest.

14:00

What the answer was, No, he did actually

14:02

saved the On's why you're still here, So all

14:04

right, well that is.

14:05

News to me.

14:06

You're breaking that news I feel like we're in

14:08

decline on some level, but he.

14:10

Did his best anyway. So here's

14:12

what he had to say.

14:13

I've had at least one of the top three

14:15

starts to a career.

14:17

I'll put it that way.

14:19

I love that perspective it is, but it's also

14:21

that's a little humble because he's had the best start.

14:24

I don't know how can when you

14:26

factor in not just a team success

14:28

but also individual success. I

14:30

don't think anyone touches him.

14:31

I just appreciate that he is framing it

14:34

in a way that is more intelligent

14:36

to me than how all the sports talk yakers

14:39

are talking about it, because you can only compare, Okay,

14:41

what's he done his first six years. It's stupid to compare

14:43

him to people who had an entire career. It's just unfair

14:45

and it's stupid. But he's saying,

14:47

I've had one of the top three starts, and he's done

14:49

the homework. He mentioned specifically

14:52

Brady, who individually just wasn't

14:54

doesn't measure close to that level.

14:56

But I get it.

14:56

He had two Super Bowl MVPs and three

14:58

titles. So I think that's why Mahomes is thinking,

15:00

just hate titles. Uh, Montana, who

15:02

had a very strong start to his career at

15:05

MVP in there has a title in

15:07

there, uh and some MVP

15:09

votes and he throws in Marina and

15:11

Marino to me is the only one

15:14

that you could say would be close to

15:16

the same level individually, because you look at

15:18

him and he was either the MVP

15:21

or AP first

15:23

team quarterback his

15:26

first four years, so he

15:28

was in terms of just ranking your quarterbacks,

15:31

and I think Mahomes has always been in the top

15:33

five, usually the top three, off

15:35

in the top one like, and he's been that throughout.

15:38

The only one that could even compare would maybe be

15:40

Marino in the you know, the other one that popped in my

15:42

mind and I went to check the AP.

15:44

Votes Sam Darnold j M.

15:46

Because really his people basically

15:49

didn't have a good career after

15:51

his first five years. But in the first five years

15:53

of his career, he was one of, if not the best

15:56

quarterback in the league for about five years.

15:57

I'd push back on Montana. He did

16:00

crossed twenty touchdowns until his fifth

16:02

season. I know it's a different time, but sure

16:04

he didn't. He was only eighteen and fifteen.

16:07

Over his first four seasons, he barely played over his

16:09

first two seasons, and then year three came

16:11

and he won the super Bowl in all that business, top.

16:13

Five MVP twice in his first six

16:15

seasons. But you're right, it's not like Mahomes.

16:17

I mean, I think Mahomes is, but he's correct

16:19

to point to point back in history in like

16:21

Marino was an outlier.

16:23

He's looking at it off.

16:24

No, I like that, and Marino is the first one I

16:26

thought of that would be a little off the beaten path.

16:29

He hit the ground running as a super

16:31

duper star and went to the

16:33

super Bowl in his second season when he won MVP,

16:35

and he never got over the hump.

16:38

So sounds like it's harder.

16:39

To do like what the Chiefs and Mahomes

16:41

have done in this era than back when three

16:44

or four teams dominated the NFL for like

16:46

long stretches a ton of time.

16:47

Right, Marina, It is crazy, man.

16:49

He led the league in yards four out of his first six

16:52

years, when

16:55

you know, had that great first season where he's

16:57

but he didn't start the whole season where he was thirty

16:59

in MVP. He in a season he didn't start the whole season. Then

17:01

he won MVP. Then he was the first team All

17:03

Pro and then he was third in MVP.

17:06

That is just crazy. And he

17:08

is got out to the Dolphins Stans. You always stick up

17:10

for him because that is about that.

17:12

And you heard me giving him love too, by

17:14

the way, throwing for five thousand yards and nearly fifty

17:16

touchdowns in nineteen eighty four total

17:18

outlaws.

17:19

Absolutely right, Sane.

17:20

I'd love to see who the difference between first

17:22

and second place that year, Marino

17:27

of the mid eighties. And you're not going

17:29

to like this and some of your people, Greg, He's

17:32

what you wanted justin Herbert to be in his first

17:34

four years, but he hasn't quite gotten there, like,

17:37

oh, he's that specially he's that guy.

17:39

He's not that guy. That's that guy. He's

17:42

that guy.

17:42

I would never put him

17:44

in that category.

17:45

But I think that the way the talk around her, I don't

17:47

think.

17:48

I don't think that Herbert chatter is as loud

17:50

right now as it was even last off season.

17:52

I mean I would have different, I would

17:54

have liked that. I mean, he hasn't even been close to Mahomes,

17:57

no one has. But yeah, it's

17:59

not even a not even a comp

18:01

all right.

18:02

In other news, here's a guy

18:04

who used to be talked about as

18:06

a top quarterback, but not so much in

18:08

recent seasons. Deshaun Watson, who

18:11

is entering his third season

18:14

with the Rounds.

18:15

He suspended the first one, right, been

18:17

there two years. Two years, Okay, I mean vaguely.

18:19

He's coming off a

18:22

season ending right shoulder injury that was very

18:24

serious.

18:24

The underwent surgery November to.

18:26

Repair what was a displaced

18:28

fractured to the glenoyd

18:30

in his throwing shoulder. His throwing

18:33

program is moving along, he said Tuesday

18:35

that everything is in full motion. Everything

18:37

is fluid, and motion is really good. The velocity

18:40

and the strength are really good. So everything

18:42

progressing. Although it's not sure

18:44

mark yet whether he'll be cleared for

18:47

OTAs, so physically

18:49

he's not all there. Still absolutely

18:52

blows my mind that it's not Joe Flacco who's

18:54

there to fill in. If this needs

18:56

to take a little longer, it would be Jameis

18:58

Winston, but Watson is on tree, it

19:00

seems for twenty twenty four.

19:03

There's just intense pressure on this working

19:05

out and we're two plus years

19:07

into it and taking a look at his QBR

19:10

from twenty two to twenty three, forty

19:12

point four and forty two point nine, which are

19:14

a full twenty points lower than any other

19:16

season he played in the league. He's not been the same

19:19

player. Durability has been

19:21

an issue too. It's like, if you're going to go make

19:23

the trade for someone that you did

19:25

for Deshaun Watson, you want to know he's going

19:27

to be there, present, NonStop. He wasn't

19:29

present the first year for off the Field Antics,

19:32

and he wasn't president last year because his body didn't hold

19:34

up. And in year three, if you don't get

19:36

a glowing version of this quarterback

19:38

like it already is the worst quarterback trade

19:40

that we can think of in the past of this century,

19:43

and it has a chance to become

19:46

a full bloom disaster. And it's crazy for me

19:48

to think that Kevin Stefanski, who has won two

19:50

Coach of the Year awards, which is atypical

19:52

for a coach that's barely won a playoff

19:54

game, like he.

19:56

Was actually in his basement when they won THEMA that's the

19:58

cret.

19:58

Yes, I mean he's done a good

20:00

job, especially when Watson's not been in there.

20:02

He's done a good job coaching, in fact better I think,

20:05

But the pressure on him and

20:07

Andrew Berry and everyone else is

20:09

immense because the quarterback's not going anywhere because

20:11

of the money attached to him.

20:12

This maybe this makes you feel better out

20:14

of nowhere. I had a vision yesterday that

20:18

Watson. I assume within this vision, although

20:20

it didn't go into this realm, Watson

20:23

gets hurt again.

20:24

That the Browns pick up.

20:26

The phone and they call the Colts, who are happy with

20:28

Anthony Richardson's progress and he's

20:30

healthy, and they go and they get him back, get flex,

20:33

Well you got you got the joker

20:35

Winston in there, But now let's get an adult in here,

20:37

Flacco while Watson uh Idols

20:40

waste time back in ir like.

20:41

If that happened in week State Week twelve,

20:44

could Flaco win comeback Player of the Year again?

20:46

I would love it? It would be amazing.

20:47

Can we cut this for when this inevitably happens

20:49

in October late October, right around Hollowey.

20:52

If Winston comes in there and out plays him, that'll be

20:54

like the seventh different Stefanski quarterback

20:56

that that's done.

20:57

That just see how many can do it at this

20:59

point?

20:59

Why the most note newsworthy things.

21:04

I'd love to see it. I think he'd be a

21:06

fun fit with Watson you.

21:08

Have fun, you won't win a lot of games.

21:09

But Stefanski h Watson, you

21:12

know, he might not be fully ready until training camp. Wasn't

21:14

worried about that. He did kind of you know thing that

21:16

annoyed me a little bit. He mentions like, hey, I might

21:18

have actually hurt my shoulder in week three until

21:20

he's kind of throwing out these

21:23

and he did hurt his shoulder in week three, but he might have had

21:26

the injury that ended up requiring surgery,

21:28

he said in week three, and he was playing through

21:31

it, so kind of throwing that out there, which

21:33

I didn't love. But part the only one of

21:35

the reasons I put this on there is I learned last

21:38

week and I meant to mention it here that Deshaun

21:41

Watson has a podcast and Kevin

21:43

Stefanski was a meant a

21:45

guest of this post. Yeah, and I

21:47

was like.

21:47

Wait, what what is the Shawn Watson

21:50

talking about on his podcast?

21:51

Okay, Like I would love to I should

21:54

go listen to probably now it's called

21:56

QB Unplugged. They've got some major

21:58

issues. I went and checked their feed and

22:01

it's it's very inconsistent, but it says

22:03

there's been quite a number of episodes,

22:05

I think thirteen episodes, except

22:08

it just in the podcast feed. It skips

22:11

from episode seven to thirteen with

22:13

no mention, but many months in between.

22:15

And the Stefanski one, which is up on YouTube,

22:18

is not in that feed. Because I was curious. I actually

22:20

was thinking, hey, maybe I'll listen to us Stefanski

22:22

Watson podcasts, but it's not in the feed. So

22:24

they've got some tech issues.

22:26

Are you sure that? Like his whole life skipped about

22:28

like five.

22:29

Years now, I mean this one. Plus they

22:31

were during the season last year, so I

22:33

guess I'm I'm just saying

22:36

the podcast seems to be going as well as

22:39

as the career in with the Browns we

22:41

have.

22:42

There are many podcasts

22:44

featuring current and former NFL players

22:46

that are worth your while. But when you hear

22:48

things like Deshaun Watson has a podcast, we

22:51

have saturated the market.

22:52

Players. Let's let's start.

22:54

You know, the union maybe should get involved in be like, hey, guys,

22:57

we're not letting you all do podcasts right because

22:59

it's annoying to everyone. We're gonna knock

23:01

it down now going forward, there are only

23:03

seventy player podcasts, and we will let

23:06

you know who you if you're on that list.

23:08

I mean it's fair, it's countercultural to produce

23:10

a podcast that's not available, like I think

23:12

that that's the next level.

23:13

I guess it's on YouTube, so maybe it's more more

23:16

that I don't know.

23:19

All right, let's take a break and

23:21

we'll now drill in when

23:24

we come back on one of the teams that are

23:26

at the center of.

23:30

Next Thursday's Realm one.

23:45

Oh my goodness, at on after

23:48

Dark.

23:49

This is the

23:51

one of the most important segments

23:54

in the show's history because it is

23:56

a segment that, first of all, is a phenomenon.

23:58

I mean, people go nuts about it, but it's also

24:01

it's what separates us from the Pact because we

24:03

see things, we see storylines,

24:05

we see the future of the league in

24:08

the way that very few people can. And

24:10

and Mark and I are the founders

24:12

and co creators. Greg,

24:15

you've come on and really made a lot

24:17

of advances. And what's

24:19

it Greg's role.

24:20

With the it was like production assistant

24:22

to some degree. But I will say our most recent

24:25

one introduced like the last you know, two or

24:27

three guests, well I'd say one, but but yes, you

24:29

had a trench in Eagles episode

24:31

that I think in the eyes of the listener,

24:33

raised Greg's status within this world.

24:36

Right, Well, it doesn't have to work on the other outside of.

24:38

The The key is we have

24:40

like a patriots, like humble

24:43

nature to us, not trying to take you

24:45

know, Louis.

24:46

Was a little presumptive there, all right.

24:48

Anyway, hit hit it again, hit it again, because

24:51

we now welcome in our guest. And I'm sorry

24:53

that he had to listen to that internal

24:56

conversation in bickering and he's probably

24:58

thinking, what the hell are they talking about? That doesn't

25:00

matter. This is the beat man for the

25:02

record. He is a

25:05

voice that has covered this

25:08

team, the New York Giants we were about

25:10

to talk about, since twenty

25:12

eleven.

25:13

This is Art Stapleton. Welcome

25:16

to around the Outcock.

25:18

What's up, fellas, Thanks for having me, appreciate

25:20

it.

25:21

Great to have you Art, And by the way, I want to say it's

25:24

good to have art.

25:25

Where are you from?

25:25

Originally North

25:28

Jersey, born and raised and live

25:30

in New York now, but you know New York, New Jersey.

25:32

Bargen County, Guy, Bergen

25:34

County Guy.

25:35

So I grew up in Rockland County and I would drive

25:39

from Pearl River over the border to

25:41

Monfale to get cheaper gas. And

25:44

I just want to say, like I was listening to your

25:46

podcast, Art getting ready for this segment

25:48

today, the All In podcast

25:50

and All In with Art Stapleton got to

25:52

get the name in there.

25:53

I like that, and it's just like

25:55

God, it's nice to hear someone that it sounds like me, you

25:58

know.

25:58

I like someone that said as Cawra got

26:00

married, it's it's finally, it's good to have a North

26:03

Jersey Tri state area.

26:04

Guys that were partly.

26:05

Thank you reportedly came from a coaltown. Dan has

26:07

told us for we have not we you know, I grew up

26:09

about twenty miles from Damn, but you grew up in a coletown,

26:12

according to his own reporting.

26:14

Yeah, that's I think everyone knows Pearl River is a

26:16

coltown, Art right.

26:18

Yeah, well you know Pearl River now

26:20

we know it as you know, just another town that's near

26:22

the Pala Stage Mall, very much

26:24

just like my town. Rochelle Park is right

26:27

near Parmise and we live near the Garden

26:29

State Plaza.

26:30

And that's that's the area.

26:31

Really all you're about.

26:32

Yeah, the summer of two thousand, many memories

26:34

of the TGI Fridays where I was a server went

26:37

by Danny.

26:38

All right, all right enough, let's focus.

26:41

I apologize.

26:42

This flashpoint focus series is all about

26:44

getting ahead of the story and the Giants are a

26:47

fascinating study here because

26:50

they.

26:51

Have the sixth pick. And let's

26:55

start where we got to start at the quarterback?

26:57

All right, Like, so you would say that

26:59

John and ownership

27:02

is not going to stand in the way if this

27:04

team has a quarterback that they

27:06

love with Daniel Jones, how

27:10

put the odds on a percentage chance they end up coming

27:12

out around one with a quarterback in your mind.

27:15

Well, if they were sitting at three, i'd say ninety

27:18

eight point, you know, nine nine

27:20

nine nine nine percent. But they're not.

27:22

So a lot of their quarterback

27:24

quest, I think is going to be dependent

27:27

on what the teams ahead of them do

27:30

in that situation. And if New

27:32

England, Arizona or the

27:36

Chargers want to move, I think they'll

27:38

look to move. You know, John Marat told a story

27:40

at the owners meetings, and I'll try to keep it as concise

27:42

as possible, But was just the

27:45

idea back in two thousand and four

27:47

when his father Wellington had

27:49

to be convinced that it

27:51

was time to move on from Kerry Collins

27:54

and draft a quarterback and

27:56

make a trade up. And Ernie A. Corsi,

27:58

the general manager at the time, and Tom Cofflin,

28:00

the first year head coach at the time, loved

28:03

Eli Manning and they wanted to make

28:05

a trade up. And John Marra recalled

28:08

having to convince his dad, look,

28:11

we know you love Kerry Collins, but

28:13

we have to make a move. And they ended

28:15

up making that trade. They let Kerry Collins

28:18

go, Kurt Warner came in, and we all know, you

28:20

know NFL and Giants' history, what happened,

28:23

you know that season, and Kurt ended up getting

28:25

benched with a winning team. But

28:27

I think John mara is kind of in the

28:29

position of his father from that year, and

28:32

he needs to be convinced that, you

28:34

know, the guy he loves, Daniel Jones,

28:36

the guy he said a couple of years ago that

28:39

you know they've done everything to screw him up. Well,

28:42

it gets to a point where as badly

28:44

as a guy may have been screwed up, you

28:47

just have to move on. And that's where the Giants

28:49

are right now.

28:50

To follow up on that, who do you think like

28:54

in terms of pie of is making

28:57

these decisions, is

29:00

really calling the shots, because to me, it's in awkward situation.

29:02

Joe Shane didn't draft Daniel Jones.

29:05

And how desperate do you think Joe Shane

29:07

is that their GM and Brian Dabele is

29:09

obviously involved in offensive coach And

29:12

how much does the Jones negotiation last

29:14

year? And you know, play into it because

29:16

I look at it and it's not like they have extra draft

29:18

picks or anything. And it's not like they have

29:21

a roster that is,

29:24

you know, has a lot of talent at

29:26

every position. They have a lot of needs. Like how

29:29

much do you think Joe Shane and if he's

29:31

making the decision is willing to give

29:33

up future resources for a team that has

29:35

a lot of holes.

29:38

It's a great point, Greg, And I just think

29:40

that from Shane's perspective.

29:42

And one thing you know that I've gotten

29:44

to learn and I'm still getting to learn. I mean, we've been

29:46

through general managers and coaches here covering

29:48

the Giants. I feel like I'm on

29:50

my seventeenth head coach and fifteenth

29:53

general manager. But Shane

29:55

believes in the process. You know, he believes

29:57

that you know, if he gets his process, right,

30:00

He'll deal with the results now. The results have

30:02

been hot and cold since he's gotten here

30:04

going into year three. But that

30:06

contract, I don't believe that that

30:09

contract or Daniel Jones's extension

30:11

was forced on Joe Shane. I think you

30:13

know, he made the call as well, you know, so he has

30:15

to own the idea that if it's time

30:17

to move on from Daniel Jones, he just made

30:19

a different decision last year. But

30:22

the reality is that they did structure the

30:24

contract. Now they're not out clean

30:27

next year with Jones, but they certainly

30:29

haven't out to the point where I think it's twenty

30:31

two million dollars in dead money. You

30:34

know, we can talk about

30:36

the cap and whether it's valid. I

30:38

think this is Jones. This is a call

30:40

for Shane to make. And they

30:42

know what it was like to be up in Buffalo, and

30:45

they know they're in the top ten,

30:47

and if they're in the top ten next year, in a

30:49

year after, they might be looking for jobs. And

30:51

I'm not saying that he's going to make a pick based

30:54

on keeping his job, but he's

30:56

got to make a call now. If

30:59

what they leave is a great quarterback

31:01

class, if they have an opportunity to get

31:03

one of their guys. They've got to pull

31:05

the trigger and then see what happens after that.

31:08

And you know, I mean, from where we stand now,

31:10

next year's QB class is you know, considered

31:13

lesser by by a bunch. And

31:16

if you're Brian Dabele and Shane's like, will you even

31:18

be here next draft season?

31:20

If you falter this year? That things

31:23

go south.

31:23

I looked at your mock and it was an interesting

31:26

one because you got all the wide receivers going up

31:28

top, like the Cardinals stay home, take

31:30

Neighbors, the Chargers take Odonze, then

31:32

the Giants at six take Drake May

31:34

and that that would be a surprise if all that occurred,

31:37

I think is I kept keep thinking one of these teams is going to

31:39

trade down. But let's say it was a

31:41

chance to take one of the big wideouts or JJ

31:43

McCarthy like, do you think the Giants are cool with

31:45

the top four I'd say the top second

31:48

through fourth quarterback whoever it is, or

31:51

is it like one of the they let they want to see

31:53

one of them, particularly fault on And do you have information

31:55

on like who who they think fits their system

31:57

the most?

31:58

Which guy currently and why Washington right

32:00

now? Right commanders do they like the most?

32:03

Well, I think you know, Mark, it's a great point.

32:05

I mean it's all a guessing game, right. I mean we're trying

32:08

to be educated. You try to make calls, you try

32:10

to know what teams are thinking. I

32:12

think Shane has done a great job of keeping

32:14

everybody guessing. You know, there are

32:16

thirty visits. They've brought in May

32:19

and McCarthy and they had workouts with those

32:21

guys, and then they brought in Daniels

32:23

and they were on campus with Pennix

32:25

and you know, they even had Caleb back at

32:27

the combine when you know, just you

32:29

know, maybe there was that one percent that he wasn't going

32:31

to Chicago. Uh, they've had all the

32:34

wide receivers in. I

32:36

think the McCarthy thing is,

32:39

you know, it's about traits, right, It's

32:41

about what you can't see. It's about a leap

32:43

of faith that everyone's saying. You know,

32:45

some coaches will see I can turn this

32:48

guy into something special.

32:50

That sounds mac jonesy.

32:51

By the way, now that sounds Daniel Jonesy.

32:53

I mean, because that was a guy who has got like a

32:55

consensus second quarterback in that class, but

32:58

they thought they could see something others did.

33:00

It's true, you know what, but I

33:03

would say that you trust Pat Shermer.

33:05

Pat Shermer got one year out of Daniel Jones.

33:07

It turns out to be, you know, Daniel

33:09

Jones's high point really set up

33:12

his rest of his career with the Giants

33:14

until that playoff run. But

33:16

look that the

33:19

cornerstone of this of this front office.

33:22

The two guys are Shannon Dable

33:24

come from Buffalo and they went

33:26

through they lived the Josh Allen experience.

33:29

And it's a lot easier now to

33:31

look at it and say, oh, well he was their guy.

33:34

He was their guy, but it wasn't

33:36

the popular guy. And I

33:38

really think that they trust Dabele

33:41

and to an extent, Kafka

33:44

and Shay Tierney, who's gotten a bump now

33:46

as the quarterbacks coach, that they

33:48

can bring in a guy. Look what they did with Tommy

33:50

DeVito last year. If we get a guy

33:52

in that we believe in, we could turn him

33:54

up and turn a JJ McCarthy

33:57

or Drake May into the

33:59

best quarterback in this in this draft.

34:01

I don't know if they can, but I think that

34:03

that's kind of some of the insight that I've gotten

34:06

from the Giants and that you know, just

34:08

because we think JJ McCarthy

34:11

has the potential of being the number

34:13

two guy in this class, is not going to shy.

34:16

We're not going to shy away from taking him.

34:18

And you know, coincidentally this morning, again

34:20

it speaks to and art apologies the

34:23

forward thinking nature of this segment. Flash

34:25

point focused naturally that NFL Network

34:27

was airing Super Bowl forty six this

34:30

morning between the Giants and Patriots.

34:32

A second and eleven.

34:34

Welker, you got to pull an in bro four

34:36

minutes to play Greggy one time out for the

34:38

Giants and pats up too, leaving

34:40

that clock down. There's going to be a minute left

34:42

on the clock and pats up five

34:45

at the very least.

34:46

And as it makes that.

34:46

Catch, as g Justelle said, you know, my husband, my ex

34:49

husband at this point like can't throw the ball, can't.

34:50

Throw the ball ahead and catch it.

34:53

I think the take that I've said the most

34:55

on this podcast, that you've just said you don't believe me for

34:57

some reason, is that that's easily the most

34:59

painful in Patriots history,

35:01

easily outweighs

35:03

the other.

35:04

The other time, A whole conversation, we digress,

35:07

yes, and then the turkey shot to beat all

35:09

turkey shots from Eli to Mannaham.

35:11

Let's pause real quick. We'll be right back with Art

35:13

Stableton on the Giants.

35:15

We're back. Can we fly up arts? Tweet

35:18

this morning? This is the type of production we have

35:20

here.

35:20

Art.

35:20

You you thought of something, you fly it up,

35:23

and then we have it art stabled

35:25

in Holy hell, this is going to be the craziest New York

35:27

Giants draft on days one and two

35:29

that I think I will have covered on

35:31

the beat.

35:32

The mood swings will be epic. I

35:34

got engagement with this tweet.

35:35

Yeah at pop Yeah, Art's respected,

35:38

he goes back a long way. The team

35:40

and the fan base trust him, and I want

35:42

to ask the question mood swings. That's a good way

35:44

to get into it because listen,

35:47

as a jets Van Art like I struggle

35:49

with the knowledge that the The Giants

35:52

are a Tiffany franchise and they're led by ownership

35:54

that you can trust, that know how to handle situations.

35:57

Overall, However, I

35:59

think it's fair to say that since

36:02

the turkey shot to Manningham and a mod Bradshaw

36:04

falling into the end zone, and then four days later coming

36:06

out to Culver City and me interviewing him and being

36:09

very clear that a mod Bradshaw had not slept or

36:11

stopped partying since that game.

36:13

I digress once more. But since then,

36:15

there's been a lot of nothing.

36:17

And I know the way Daniel

36:19

Jones closed two years ago

36:21

and then they beat a bad Vikings team in the playoffs

36:23

and all that, that kind of satiated the

36:25

fan base a little bit.

36:27

But ownership, like, where is the patients level?

36:29

Where where do you get in terms

36:31

of internally where the Giants are? Because

36:33

it has been now a pretty cold period, especially

36:36

for a team that's really had a fair

36:38

amount of success in the past thirty forty years.

36:41

Well, I think, you know, the impatients

36:44

really went through the last three head

36:46

coaching regimes. I mean, this is the fourth head

36:48

coach since Tom Koughlin left

36:50

the franchise in twenty fifteen. You know, it

36:53

wasn't that long ago, right, I mean it

36:56

seems like it. But you

36:58

know, I just think that ownership

37:00

believes in this front office. I really

37:02

do think that, and I do think

37:04

that the Giants want to get back to the point

37:07

where they're not changing everything

37:09

every two three years. You know that being

37:11

said, it does come down to the results and

37:15

if they completely flop again this year,

37:17

and you know, we saw all this talk

37:20

a couple months ago, the idea of what

37:23

if, what if Bill Belichick is

37:25

on the market, would the Giants blow

37:27

out this regime and bring Bill back

37:29

home? And right

37:32

now, I think it's ridiculous, but

37:35

I've seen ridiculous covering this team

37:38

since twenty fifteen, So you

37:41

know, look, there's pressure, what level

37:43

of pressure. I don't think the ownership

37:46

is looking to get guys out of here. I think

37:48

John Marra believes in Joe Shane. He

37:50

likes Joe Shane the general manager, being the front

37:52

man of his organization.

37:55

I think they like Brian Dable. I think

37:57

they don't believe that last

38:00

year the team quit on

38:02

him. You know, ultimately it matters

38:05

when you move down the line. I mean, guys don't

38:07

get into Canton because their teams didn't quit on

38:09

them. They get into Canton because they won. And

38:12

I think that's kind of where they're at. So the

38:14

hot seat, the seats are as

38:16

hot as what they make them. And this year,

38:19

I don't believe ownership is looking

38:21

to make changes at the end of the season. But

38:24

they weren't looking to get rid of Joe Judge

38:26

three days before the end of the Joe Judge

38:28

season. But because they had to look for a

38:30

general manager the way Judge became

38:33

toxic in a sense, they had to get rid of them.

38:36

You know, I don't believe they went into twenty seventeen

38:38

looking to get rid of Ben mcindo, but

38:40

the team imploded locker He lost the

38:43

locker room, and they had no choice but to blow

38:45

everybody out. So we'll

38:47

see. But I think ownership is

38:50

confident that Shane's history

38:53

and what he's shown to this point and how he'll

38:55

grow as a front office executive

38:58

will turn this team

39:01

in the right direction. How quickly that happens,

39:03

we'll just have to wait and see.

39:04

When do you think the last time that

39:07

John Mara and Bill Belichick spoke

39:09

on the phone, When did that occur?

39:11

And also, like you said, you right now see it as ridiculous.

39:14

I'm curious, like why you see it that way?

39:17

What Belichick is real?

39:19

Returning returning the idea of it.

39:21

I think I think the idea that everybody

39:23

watched him in New England and saw how that

39:25

went downhill. I mean, you know what

39:28

would Bill be willing to do? Would be would Bill

39:30

be willing to come in and you

39:32

know, work with Joe Shane in a front

39:34

office, or would he have to pick his handpick

39:37

guy. Or would Bill want to be the GM

39:40

and be the head coach because that

39:42

failed? Or would Bill just want to coach the

39:44

team. There's there's different levels

39:47

of a return of Bill Belichick.

39:50

As far as the phone calls from John Mahra

39:52

and Bill Belichick, I'm guessing they kind

39:54

of laid low after the whole Brian Flores,

39:57

Brian Dable, wrong, Brian Texics

39:59

Hi aim from Bill Belichick to Brian Flores.

40:03

But I could tell you, look, Belichick's

40:05

heart will there will always be a piece

40:07

of his heart with the Giants, and there will always

40:10

be a piece of the Giants with Bill Belichick.

40:12

I don't believe that going

40:15

into you know, the draft, that

40:17

John mara is sitting there saying, you know what, if

40:19

this fails, I'm bringing Bill back. But

40:22

in a couple of months, if things

40:24

really don't go the way they expected

40:26

it to go, and Bill places

40:29

a call with his intermediaries, I

40:31

can't tell you that that's not going to happen. We're talking

40:33

about the greatest coach in NFL

40:35

history, and there's a

40:37

piece of that. I think that the Giants would

40:39

it would appeal to ownership, but not many

40:42

people other than John Marra are

40:44

in that organization left

40:47

from when Belichick was the defensive coordinator

40:49

with Parcels as well. You know, Belichick

40:51

is as much the guy who lost

40:54

the two Lombardies that are sitting in the lobby

40:56

of the facility that he is

40:59

the defensive court to help deliver

41:01

the first two Lombardies. So that's

41:03

kind of the way the Giants are. It really does

41:05

come down to John Marra and Steve Tish

41:07

to an extent, who is the co owner. He

41:10

has a relationship with Bill Belichick as well.

41:12

Yeah, there was a reporting on ESPN. We might hit

41:14

this a little more tomorrow about Belichick,

41:17

but that yeah, he kind of

41:19

had an eye on all these NFC East teams,

41:21

essentially the Giants, Eagles, Washington

41:24

that next year, and that he was willing

41:26

in Atlanta to not be in charge

41:28

of personnel, which was an interesting nugget

41:30

if that was true. He's willing to work with with their GM

41:33

and he he still didn't get that job here

41:35

last one for me at least art is just

41:37

like if there are a lot of different scenarios,

41:40

just they have so many needs, Like

41:44

do you think if there's

41:47

two good like number one wide receivers

41:49

available at six in the top three quarterbacks

41:51

are gone and I'm including may to me,

41:54

you know, is the most Josh Allen like and maybe

41:56

has the highest ceiling other than capable.

41:58

And to say there are gone, you know

42:00

when when you look at this raster and what they think their

42:03

their needs are, like, how do you think they'll they'll

42:05

evaluate, you know, having the like

42:07

can they feel like they leave this draft?

42:10

I guess is my larger question without a quarterback

42:12

if they just don't think the value is there at six

42:14

versus like forcing it, like like you

42:16

could argue they did with with Jones at

42:18

the same position five years ago.

42:21

I completely get the sentiment,

42:24

and I agree with you. You can't just

42:26

look at this draft and say we have six picks,

42:28

we have to get a quarterback with one of them. And what does

42:30

that mean? You know, you you've got coaches

42:33

here. You know you made the call last

42:35

year to have Daniel Jones here. You have Drew

42:37

Locke here, You have an undrafted guy in Devedo

42:40

who you know, at this point,

42:43

you know, it was much much more of a

42:45

fan favorite than he was a future you

42:47

know, solution at quarterback.

42:50

You know, look, I think that's why they've done the homework.

42:53

You know, give credit to Garifolo and rap

42:55

report with the you know, they had

42:57

visits over the weekend with Bone Nix and

43:00

Spencer Rattler. I mean if Dable

43:03

looks at you know, Nicks and says,

43:05

look, I love this kid. We

43:08

saw him at the Senior Bowl, he came in here.

43:10

You know, I think that a year under under

43:13

our coaching, that we can get him to be a

43:15

you know, a top fifteen quarterback in this league.

43:17

You know, maybe they look to use their

43:20

early second round pick, maybe

43:22

we have to move up a little bit. Maybe they like Rattler

43:24

right there in the second round, or even you

43:26

know, moving up from their third round pick. I

43:29

do think that there are guys. Shane made a comment

43:31

a couple of weeks ago Greg that you're

43:34

gonna get quarterbacks from all different places

43:37

in this draft, and it was kind of interpreted

43:40

like, you know, we know the top guys,

43:42

but we may be looking for guys who might be developmental

43:45

guys. You know, they have a guy and Daniel

43:47

Jones who money wise on

43:49

the books. You know, they're not lying when

43:51

they say they hope to start the season with him in week

43:53

one because they they have an idea that

43:55

they want to develop a quarterback a little bit

43:58

similar to the way the Giants know for with

44:00

Eli. But the reality

44:03

is it's just going to have to depend

44:05

on how their board breaks and how aggressive

44:07

they're going to be. They don't have eleven

44:09

picks, as you mentioned, they can't just

44:11

all of a sudden start throwing picks around and

44:14

saying, you know what, we need to get

44:16

this quarterback. And if they do,

44:19

they better be right because if they're not

44:21

right on the quarterback, especially if they get rid

44:24

of assets to get a quarterback,

44:26

they're going to be leave themselves short

44:28

at other positions and that is only going

44:31

to hurt them on the field this year. And

44:33

do you have ownership buy in, Well, you

44:36

know, I believe they do to a point, but if

44:38

they go against what ownership wants and

44:40

ownership says, you know what, we believe

44:42

in you. But if it fails and

44:44

fails miserably, then you got

44:47

a problem.

44:48

Art Stableton. Thank you very much,

44:50

sir, and check out all of arch Giants

44:52

coverage the record. They're

44:55

in North Jersey North Jersey dot Com.

44:57

Of course his podcast as well if you want the

44:59

late on the Giants all

45:02

in with Art Stable to thank

45:04

you very much, good sir, and shout

45:06

out to the Rocklandburg and Alliance.

45:09

You've got it, guys, appreciate it.

45:10

Thanks, thank you.

45:11

There he goes Art Stable and uh,

45:14

it just didn't make me think. First

45:16

of all, they really are. The mood swings

45:18

are set up for the Giants because unless

45:21

they make an aggressive move up the board, which

45:23

i you know, you never know, but they

45:25

kind of are.

45:26

They have to wait it out and they.

45:28

Have to see what is presented in

45:30

front of them and it could lead to a new quarterback

45:33

or.

45:33

Greg Like you said, they could see how they move back,

45:35

you know, they could see what the Patriots would take.

45:37

It really feels like that logical.

45:39

Yeah, Giants, Then you're

45:42

it's the nerves are high because it's hard

45:44

to really you know what's happening the

45:46

first two picks obviously, but then like

45:49

how these teams and it's funny, this is how

45:51

the draft and this is how the sau Siege gets made.

45:53

Your entire organization's future is kind of hinging

45:56

on these other teams in front of you and decisions they

45:58

make, unless you try to put it in your hands

46:00

and move up the board.

46:01

But that's very costly. And on the

46:03

Belichick thing, Mark.

46:06

That was the first question, Like when I was writing

46:08

down my curiosities for well, I just

46:10

like, I just like, come on, this makes too much sense.

46:12

I remember A

46:14

Football Life, and then I just looked it up real quick.

46:16

It was actually the series premiere

46:18

of A Football Life, the NFL Films NFL

46:21

Network show, and it started

46:23

with a two parter on Belichick, and it always

46:25

stuck in my mind when Belichick

46:28

goes to old Giants Stadium before

46:31

they tore it down, and he's staring at

46:33

the locker room and he gets wistful and nostalgic,

46:36

and he actually gets just emotional,

46:38

choked up talking about how important this building

46:41

was and all the great memories and

46:43

what it meant to him to be involved with those Giants

46:46

teams, even if his relationship with Bill Parcells

46:48

wasn't always so hot, so it

46:51

would not I would think he would be very interested

46:54

in the right situation. And then then it becomes

46:56

about the maras and the tishes,

46:58

whether they are and again the good thing for Giants

47:00

fans, you guys overall like they

47:03

have strong.

47:03

Leadership, like are there reverse gears

47:05

in their tank?

47:06

Will they get sucked in by this or will they look at

47:08

it the way other people seem to be looking at Belichick as

47:10

a depreciated asset at this age.

47:12

I think Belichick's Q raating is

47:14

gonna just continue to climb towards

47:17

next offseason. I just do because I think suddenly you're

47:19

like, you're gonna have teams that have you know, Joe

47:21

Fabets at head coach. It's like, wait a minute, we could

47:23

have had or could have Belichick.

47:25

And like I you've talked about the Belichick biographies

47:28

and they're great, but the Parcels one

47:30

too, does an incredible job of

47:32

describing how the Parcels Belichick

47:35

relationship came to be. And I

47:37

think parcel Or Belichick was one of the most

47:39

famous coordinators of that era. Well sometimes

47:41

coordinators absolutely absolutely,

47:44

Like I mean he when he got to Cleveland job, like

47:47

you know, right after winning that second Super

47:50

Bowl with the Giants, like I was immediately

47:52

I immediately bought in and was just fascinated by

47:54

the concept of who he could be and what he was, and he did it

47:56

in Cleveland, and then it's the team goes.

47:58

But it's like Belichick is not be an unattractive

48:01

option. And I think if you're a Giants fan, and

48:03

if you're the Giants media corps, and Belichick

48:06

comes back to the New York Giants, like what else

48:08

makes more sense?

48:09

Poetically for the National Football League.

48:10

It's a it's a fun little backdrop

48:12

to this NFC season because, as our points

48:14

out, it all comes down to win losses. Like, I don't

48:17

care who the quarterback is, what the scenario is,

48:19

what happens. If the Giants win nine games

48:21

with Brian Dable this year, they're not gonna fire him

48:24

like like, but

48:26

if they win six games, they might.

48:27

You know.

48:27

It's like that's just how it works. And I think that's how it's gonna

48:29

work for the Cowboys, possibly the

48:31

Eagles, and the Giants. So it's these three teams,

48:34

these big franchises and apparently

48:36

you know, Belgick's kind of I in those three teams.

48:38

Yeah, Like, well, like football season, all the things

48:40

that go with it.

48:41

And don't forget the East coast, and I think Giants might

48:43

be might come out of draft day disappointed. We'll

48:45

see, but I or they could

48:47

be flying because the board fell the right way.

48:49

I think they're gonna I think the most likely

48:51

outcome is what I asked Art

48:54

about, which is like, actually, Daniel

48:56

Jones probably is got to be their quarterback, and they're

48:58

going to try to do as much as they can can. And they've

49:00

had a good offseason. They got Brian Burns. He changed the offensive

49:02

line, like as much as they can

49:05

to get high level talent around

49:07

Daniel Jones because the quarterback.

49:09

It just well doesn't fall right for them,

49:11

you see.

49:12

And the assumption, even if they did get a quarterback,

49:14

the assumption Daniel Jones is out of

49:16

the building.

49:17

No, he's a sunken cost for them.

49:18

And if they choose to go the route of twenty

49:21

four twenty years ago, where you had a veteran

49:24

start and then a rookie come in, you might see Daniel

49:26

Jens and a new guy.

49:27

You know.

49:27

It's kind of sad though, you know what that means. And

49:30

it sounds like they're going to take you nowhere.

49:31

You're going somewhere. Yeah, Tommy DeVito will

49:33

be out of the building. Oh, I thought you're saying Drew Lock. Yeah,

49:35

because they have Lock in the building.

49:37

Yeah, he's guaranteed some money though. Yeah, I don't think Lock's

49:39

going anywhere.

49:40

That would be steveto doesn't work on like the Arizona

49:42

Cardinals. Like there's a miss that we're not aligned

49:45

there.

49:45

And as many people have told me, the

49:48

other thing to remember about next January when the

49:50

cycle begins anew at coaching. Bill Belichick

49:52

is spending this year learning how to be a head coach, and

49:54

once he learns, like how do you be

49:56

successful in the NFL, he relearns

49:59

that, like his brain is firing off the

50:01

synapses, everything's working again, He'll be

50:03

You know.

50:03

What I like about this is like this is wherey like hul Cogan

50:06

macho man, where like after spending a decade

50:08

of you kind of annoyed with Belichick and

50:10

everything that he had produced, the fruit seed produce, now

50:12

you're like backing him unlike anyone

50:14

else. I know, Well, I never not I

50:17

respected the man. I don't doubt that where this bunts

50:19

you a lot of it's oh a lot. He caused you

50:21

a lot of pain and your showing a lot.

50:23

Of salt being rubbed in like he loved rubbing

50:25

the salt into the wounds of Jets fans.

50:27

And why you have that Clemson football

50:29

over there, I.

50:30

Got it built, that orphanage burned

50:32

down to the ground. You

50:35

can't disprove that, Greg, That's why you're so mad.

50:37

You can't disprove that I flew down to

50:40

the Clemson area and rebuilt an orphanage.

50:42

Well, I'm starting to believe it.

50:44

Literally on the football it says

50:46

that the conference that you

50:48

contributed to, that you have no idea

50:50

what it was, was in Los Angeles

50:53

and is like, you know, the future

50:55

billionaires of area summarized.

50:57

But here's the thing. See, it's not that hard.

51:00

I think from another angle.

51:01

Dan reached out to Clemson and this,

51:03

how can I help, said, put something in

51:05

oculus on the football. Don't don't let

51:07

them know what I actually did, because that don't

51:10

let them know.

51:11

Also, this last year's thank you football,

51:15

another one potentially as if you've stopped working

51:17

for the Clemson.

51:17

Area, the Orphanage ball is coming. And by the way,

51:19

get your hands off there. It's Dabo Sweeney's autograph

51:22

on it.

51:22

Uh most valuable partner, Dan

51:25

hands this thank you does not know you show the

51:27

camera.

51:27

I don't take that away. Sure, I mean we.

51:29

Got a tight shot out here, we go here,

51:32

and uh yeah, I can't read it off the camera,

51:34

So I'm going to turn around. It's thank you for

51:36

aiding in the professional development

51:39

of our schother athlete and providing

51:41

a life changing career experience

51:44

during our twenty twenty three Los

51:46

Angeles business Week trip. So

51:48

I don't see orphanage, I don't see Carolina.

51:51

I mean, it's amazing to me, as someone

51:53

who won this prestigious

51:55

Most Valuable Partner award that

51:57

you don't even know what's freaking stated to it.

52:00

And I have the ball, and I'm happy that you helped

52:02

the young Clemson students figure

52:05

out how to take advantage of workers.

52:07

You're a big man of battle.

52:08

But I'm gonna I didn't actually

52:11

give my formally my thank my acceptance

52:13

speech of the football thank

52:16

you to Clemson, thank you to

52:18

dave O. Sweeney, thank you to

52:21

the everyone that you

52:23

know needed me in a big spot and

52:25

I delivered. It says right here, Greg, a

52:28

life changing experience.

52:30

And I've been involved with a.

52:32

Few, so I wouldn't normally bring this up,

52:34

but I actually remember the day that the

52:36

Clemson contingent came to the

52:38

newsroom. It was one of those days when I was in the newsroom

52:40

early and I actually talked to three or four

52:42

of them because they were asking about television and television

52:45

production. And then right next to my cubicle, on

52:47

my on the right side of my cubic glass walls,

52:50

it says Dan HANSI, and I think they

52:52

meant to send it to me because I actually.

52:58

Developing news, making news

53:01

develop A bunch.

53:01

Of them asking about how tell like they were setting

53:04

up for an NFL network

53:06

show and like a bunch of people.

53:07

Oh you deserve a football.

53:09

I'm just saying you do too, no doubt, because

53:11

of your other task down in the Clemson area. But

53:13

I would like to I'm gonna start my own.

53:15

According to some NFL media sources

53:18

very close to the situation, uh,

53:20

there is reporting that Mark Sessler is

53:22

the man they actually meant to

53:24

give the fag.

53:26

Your attempts are my attempts.

53:29

This is the man who helps the kids, I

53:31

believe remembrance. I'm not claiming

53:33

that to be the case.

53:34

I'm saying something unusual

53:37

occurrence.

53:38

The one person who definitely doesn't get

53:40

or deserve a ball. Is the guy that's crowing

53:42

the most about it. So read into that.

53:45

I don't want to look look at the look

53:47

at the performance of the Clemson football team since

53:49

you spoke to him.

53:52

Now you're hitting out. This is brand

53:54

Greg Clemson. You'll you'll fight

53:56

back and you've got great leadership at the top. Let's

53:58

take a break and when

54:01

we return. Chad Ruter on the

54:03

NFL Draft. All

54:09

right, welcome back. So we just spoke

54:12

with Art Stabled and breaking down the Giants

54:14

and a very interesting

54:17

half. They have next week's draft

54:20

where they pick you know, all their different picks or

54:22

do they have six or seven picks whatever. But

54:24

then there are men like Chad Reuter

54:27

for NFL Media, has been with the company

54:30

since twenty eleven, who

54:32

when he drops his final mock draft, it

54:34

will have every single pick.

54:36

What is it, two hundred and sixty this year? Where are

54:38

we at?

54:38

We yeah, two fifty seven.

54:40

Two hundred and fifty seven. That

54:42

drops on Friday, and we're gonna get a little sneak

54:44

preview of it. So Chad, welcome back

54:46

to around the NFL. Thank you gentlemen

54:49

for having me on. It's a pleasure to be here this

54:51

draft class. You've been doing this since two thousand now, So

54:55

where are your thoughts on this draft class?

54:57

Where did you give it a grade? The overall class?

54:59

It is.

55:01

B ish. There's

55:03

some great positions, some not very

55:06

deep positions, and it's

55:08

fun when there's quarterbacks. You

55:10

know.

55:11

Look, I love offensive lineman. That's

55:13

my favorite position, and not

55:15

just because I'm a big dude. But when

55:18

we have part of it, well absolutely. One

55:20

time I was at a Packers training camp and

55:23

Larry Bechtel, their longtime offensive line

55:25

coach, saw me on the sideline watching

55:27

and he looked at his guys and said, hey, you

55:29

guys better do this with because you got guys on the sidelines

55:32

there who can step in for you and play, you know, so like

55:36

the stands, Yeah, absolutely exactly.

55:38

But no, when there's quarterbacks, it's just

55:40

more fun. And I think it's gonna be

55:42

a lot of fun, a lot of intrigue, and so

55:44

I'm really looking forward to it.

55:45

You're not messed around with the quarterbacks.

55:48

The one of the picks that really stands out. I mean,

55:50

first of all, your answer to the Giants

55:52

question was they trade up to for it and they

55:54

take McCarthy. So they trade up with Arizona

55:57

and ended up getting McCarthy. But the thing I wanted

55:59

to start with was you had Minnesota

56:01

City at eleven, didn't get the trade

56:03

up that they take bow Nicks, that

56:06

you would think that there could be that

56:08

much appreciation for bo

56:11

Nicks And the two most logical teams

56:13

in my mind would be the Vikings or the Broncos

56:15

that that he could go that

56:18

high.

56:19

Absolutely, if you look at

56:21

bo Nicks, he is very much like

56:23

Kirk Cousins, and if

56:25

they want that similar type of guy, he's

56:28

right there. Although but Kirk Rwsins was like a fourth round

56:30

pick. You don't usually take those, yeah

56:33

guys that early. But it would be a wild it

56:35

would be a wild thing to take a guy like that. And that's

56:37

interesting. I remember because

56:39

we were when Cousins got picked. I

56:42

remember going back into the

56:44

Culver and we had kind of the debrief

56:46

from the draft. Right We're sitting around in a room

56:49

and people were saying, uh,

56:52

why would the why would

56:54

Washington take Why would

56:56

Washington take RG three and then

56:59

take Kirk Cousins, And

57:00

people and I and I said,

57:02

Hey, Kirk Cousins was second round

57:04

value.

57:05

They got him in the fourth round.

57:06

It was a good move and the room went silent,

57:09

like, I, you know, just said something

57:11

about somebody's parents or something.

57:13

So I think, I think you're known to do in

57:15

fairness. Well, yeah, look you'll bury a parent.

57:17

You don't give it.

57:18

You do it once, you do it once, and then people think

57:20

you do it all the time.

57:21

Right, Yeah.

57:21

So, so he was viewed as

57:23

a more than a fourth round pick, and I think,

57:26

and I think just the demand for the

57:28

position Minnesota. Look,

57:31

Sam Donald really solid player.

57:33

They cannot just roll out general. So

57:36

I think you have put in Sam Donald and

57:39

a guy like Nicks, and you

57:41

know they work together and get it done.

57:43

I think the Chargers fans

57:46

would come out of this process absolutely

57:49

thrilled if what you suggest happens

57:51

happens, because they have a Marvin

57:53

Harrison falling to them and all this business like, oh,

57:56

the Chargers won't draft a wide receiver because

57:58

they are gonna only have like two know

58:00

that that would be amazing. It's a need and it's

58:02

also the best player in the draft argue. But

58:04

then I love this too because I kind of just love

58:08

organic fits where you love no

58:10

matter what you think of the player is gonna be maximized where

58:12

he goes. And Blake Koram, Michigan's

58:14

running back going to the Chargers

58:17

to Harbaugh in round two, I think that is

58:19

like I love draft things like that, and I even

58:21

I think on the show we talked about like stuff

58:24

we wanted to see happen. I had that too, And so is

58:26

do you think that Harbaugh is like, no matter what, willing

58:28

to go do that with the second round?

58:30

Is he hoping that he just falls to him?

58:31

Yeah? Oh, I would think so.

58:32

And you know he may not a

58:35

lot of people don't have Blake Koram as a top

58:37

forty pick and five eight. I understand

58:40

that, but you know the

58:42

Chiefs took Cech at the end of

58:44

the first round, also another five eight guy. I

58:46

didn't like that pick. But I love Quorum as a

58:48

as a player. He does everything

58:50

pass protection like he doesn't pass protect

58:52

like a guy who's five eight, I mean, and he does everything,

58:55

and coming off the knee injury a year ago,

58:58

he wasn't even his.

58:59

Most explosive self.

59:00

And we've seen guys really turn

59:02

it on after that year, so I think he'll

59:04

be even more explosive than he was this year

59:07

in the NFL. If everything goes right,

59:09

and I think Harball,

59:11

you know, it was so effusive his praise

59:14

of JJ McCarthy and

59:16

and I think he's gonna feel the same book

59:18

Quorum, And honestly like, if

59:20

he doesn't pick Korum, he could

59:23

end up going all the way down to the Ravens

59:25

to play for John Harbaugh at

59:27

the end of the second round. So those are the kind of

59:29

the two spots for Quorum.

59:31

Sometimes we in this ramp up to

59:33

the draft, start to fall in love with an idea

59:35

or a thought and then it turns it turns very

59:37

surfacy when you look back, Oh, it didn't play out that

59:39

a way at all, And that's what everyone seems to be doing

59:42

with Oh, Harbor will definitely, I'm talking about Jim.

59:44

We'll take an offensive lineman because he loves his dogs

59:46

and he loves to run. But as you point out, going

59:48

to get a playmaker and potentially

59:50

a truly special one like Harrison to

59:53

stretch the field. I mean that helps the

59:55

running game as well, so that that shicks out

59:57

exact way exactly right.

59:59

And and don't forget that Harbaugh

1:00:01

had to sit there and watch Marvin Harrison. I

1:00:04

don't you know, but yeah,

1:00:06

I mean he had some pretty good games, and I

1:00:08

think he knows the kind of special player he'll

1:00:10

be getting.

1:00:11

I saw you put Neighbors at thirteen,

1:00:13

falling all the way to the Raiders. I'm

1:00:16

sensing as we get closer to the

1:00:19

draft, a lot more of the people in

1:00:21

your neck of the woods, the draft knicks are

1:00:24

projecting Neighbors to slip that that Dounza

1:00:26

maybe goes ahead of Neighbors, and that maybe Neighbors

1:00:29

isn't as big of like a top five to six

1:00:31

lock as as we thought maybe a week

1:00:33

or two ago. Like where is is

1:00:35

that coming from info? Just your

1:00:38

film tape? Like what's going on there?

1:00:40

So I think.

1:00:43

All I know is I've been doing this long enough where

1:00:45

that where people think the top ten guys

1:00:48

are not going to end up being the top ten pick.

1:00:50

So just we know that and

1:00:52

Neighbors, there's no questions

1:00:54

about Oduns. He is a solid

1:00:56

player. He is Mike Williams for the Chargers. For

1:00:58

me, he's he's really just a solid player

1:01:00

that you know what you're gonna get with Neighbors,

1:01:03

I'm not sure, And he's so much like

1:01:05

Obj. He's so much like him

1:01:08

and Obj went twelfth and

1:01:10

and those are the kind of things that I just look for.

1:01:13

Hey, hey, if Neighbors does not go top

1:01:15

six, where is this? Could this

1:01:17

could be what happens? And you

1:01:19

know, and the other thing is, I'm not going to project like

1:01:22

eight trades or anything, but if he starts falling down,

1:01:24

obviously somebody might get in the mix there

1:01:26

too for him.

1:01:27

But you projected a lot though it was spicy, and

1:01:29

you always bought, like what the specific one is. You had the

1:01:31

Colts trading up for Bowers. Yeah, and then

1:01:33

you give the exact

1:01:35

trade that it would be. It would be Bowers at a

1:01:38

third in exchange for fifteenth. Overall a

1:01:40

second and a fourth. That's a lot for a tight end.

1:01:42

But well, fighting for the Colts. Yeah, you

1:01:44

know, he's more than a tight end. I

1:01:46

I think he's the best player

1:01:49

in this draft, regardless of position.

1:01:52

And I won't be shot. I honestly

1:01:54

won't be shocked at the Charges take him at five or

1:01:57

if they can work out a trade with the Giants for

1:01:59

that once spot to get that. I

1:02:02

think he does everything. I think if

1:02:04

you get a guy in the George

1:02:06

Kittle to Travis Kelcey

1:02:08

Realm. He's much more

1:02:10

than just a tight end.

1:02:11

I think the Chargers are meeting with him as we as

1:02:14

we speak, are very very soon to Now you

1:02:16

have another trade because I like looking

1:02:18

at the two teams that don't have picks in the

1:02:20

first round, the Panthers and the Browns. The

1:02:22

Panthers you think would be sitting there at we know we need

1:02:25

players, but they trade the pick

1:02:27

to the Raiders who take You have

1:02:29

Michael Pennox Junior falling all the way to the thirty

1:02:31

third pick. I think a lot of people feel like there's gonna be this run

1:02:33

on quarterbacks. You got the Broncos the Raiders in

1:02:35

your world when they move up, but like someone's

1:02:38

got a fall So, yeah, I get this, So

1:02:40

you think this could this could happen.

1:02:41

Pennix goes all the way to round two.

1:02:43

Look last year, a lot of people thought Hendon Hooker

1:02:45

and Will Levis were going to be first round picks and they were

1:02:47

not, and that happens. I mean, would

1:02:49

I be surprised if

1:02:52

the Raiders move up into

1:02:54

the thirty second spot in the first

1:02:56

round to get him, No, I wouldn't be surprised at that at all.

1:02:59

But the carline, Caroline does not have enough

1:03:01

picks and they need a lot of players,

1:03:03

and they the previous administration

1:03:06

kind of left them bereft of draft

1:03:08

capital. So they're gonna be looking for a deal

1:03:11

like this and if they can they can find it, they're gonna

1:03:13

take advantage of it. And so I think this makes

1:03:15

a lot of sense. And look, Michael Pennox

1:03:17

lost parts of four seasons

1:03:19

at Indiana to injury. You don't see

1:03:21

a guy like that going in the first round very often. If

1:03:24

it was a one off, that's fine, But

1:03:27

you know, I think that's the thing. And with

1:03:29

him, and he's really talented. I mean, he

1:03:32

if you put an offensive line around him, you give him

1:03:34

the whatp he's gonna hit him and he's a very talented

1:03:36

thrower. But there's gonna

1:03:38

be questions about his abult's

1:03:40

knee and shoulders.

1:03:41

So there you have a

1:03:43

trade, another trade in the first round. Both

1:03:46

teams intrigued me. So you have the Rams

1:03:48

and Chiefs doing business, and yeah.

1:03:50

I love that.

1:03:50

You're you think you think it's very possible

1:03:53

that there that less need

1:03:55

goes to his dresser drawer and pulls

1:03:57

out that FM Picks T shirt again

1:04:00

and for another year to continue

1:04:02

the streak that dates back to two thousand and after

1:04:05

twenty sixteen will not have a first round pick.

1:04:07

That's interesting to me. So but let's start

1:04:09

first with the Chiefs, who to me, this

1:04:12

is the one that as a layman,

1:04:15

I still feel like. The thing I'm really commid about

1:04:17

is the Chiefs make a charge up the board

1:04:19

in the first round to get a wide receiver, especially

1:04:21

now with the Rashid Rice situation. Travis

1:04:24

Kelcey another year older, not a

1:04:26

lot of depth in general, you have him

1:04:28

moving up to the middle of the first round.

1:04:30

Let's talk about that.

1:04:31

Yeah, I mean I think Xavier Worthy out

1:04:33

of Texas is a perfect fit for them. I

1:04:35

know that they signed Hollywood Brown, but look

1:04:38

Worthy is very

1:04:41

worthy of.

1:04:42

The nailed it and he's

1:04:44

an explosive player who just stand on your analysis

1:04:46

right there, like go blank and wait for us to

1:04:49

change exactly right, exactly right.

1:04:50

No, but look he's He's not just

1:04:53

the guy who ran a fast forty. I mean, that's obviously

1:04:56

one of the strengths. But he

1:04:58

can catch the ball in short areas and

1:05:01

make people miss. He can get down

1:05:03

the sideline. I don't think safeties

1:05:05

in college understood how fast he was because they would

1:05:07

like get try to get towards the sideline and then he'd

1:05:09

be gone. And I think when

1:05:12

you add that to the Chiefs offense, the

1:05:14

Chiefs won two Super Bowls, but like you

1:05:17

know, they were not happy with how things played out

1:05:19

on offense, right, and that's the kind of

1:05:21

difference maker that they'll go up and get

1:05:23

the other thing that I if

1:05:26

you guys remember when the Lions

1:05:28

went up to get Jameson Williams. They went from thirty two

1:05:30

to twelve to go get him. And

1:05:32

if brock Bauers gets into

1:05:35

that area, I'm

1:05:38

really curious to see if they would go get him or

1:05:40

if even if they think of Worthy that highly.

1:05:42

That's where like fit is everything, because

1:05:44

I do think Worthy is more

1:05:47

dynamic than people are giving credit for as like a real

1:05:49

player, Like he's a much smaller player

1:05:51

than Kadarius Tony, but I think could do some of the things

1:05:53

that they were hoping Kadarius Tony could have done

1:05:56

now that they've totally given up on

1:05:58

that. Like if he lands with the team like the Chiefs, then

1:06:00

you can see him being like quite

1:06:02

Zay Flowers, like maybe with more speed,

1:06:05

which is like, but if he ends up on the wrong team

1:06:07

and then he winds up being a bus I think that's

1:06:09

an amazing fit. But I really do

1:06:12

have to say I found one of your

1:06:14

picks ridiculous and

1:06:16

just questionable.

1:06:18

With pick two thirty.

1:06:20

With two thirty five, okay, you had

1:06:22

the Seahawks taking tight end McCallen

1:06:24

Castles.

1:06:25

Yeah, Chad was drunken reach reach.

1:06:28

I know.

1:06:29

Right for McCallen Castles to go

1:06:31

top to thirty five, you're

1:06:34

gonna get a lot of pushback, I feel, you

1:06:36

know.

1:06:37

Look, you gotta take chances with this.

1:06:38

I can't be the same as everybody else who put

1:06:41

Castles at two fifty one.

1:06:43

You know, I have to take some chances.

1:06:45

And it must be a process at the end

1:06:47

of this seven round thing of just.

1:06:48

Yeah, what is happening at the end there you just kind of like,

1:06:52

well, you've seen that probably deep team information

1:06:54

that you're leaning on in the seventh you.

1:06:56

Know, in ted Lasso when he's playing darts

1:06:58

against the mean guy that I can't think

1:07:01

of the name of.

1:07:01

No.

1:07:02

Look, you know the

1:07:04

play, you get your population of like three hundred

1:07:06

some guys that are in the mix and

1:07:09

you're got tim team needs, you've

1:07:11

got workout, you've watched them for

1:07:13

the past three four years, and

1:07:15

you try to make some interesting ads.

1:07:18

And at that point you're like, Okay,

1:07:20

what team needs two edgereshers, what team

1:07:22

needs two cornerbacks? You know, and so where

1:07:24

are these? And and you just try to get as

1:07:26

many guys and then you look for the off the radar

1:07:29

guys weren't at the combine, Like thirty

1:07:31

guys who who weren't at the combine

1:07:33

will probably get picked.

1:07:34

So you have to take all.

1:07:36

That night iteration circling

1:07:38

back that the idea of the Chiefs

1:07:41

getting powers makes so much sense,

1:07:43

both because you think about the two tight ends

1:07:45

set there, but also Kelsey at

1:07:47

thirty three of the year or two left. You got

1:07:49

to learn under Kelsey in the building and then

1:07:52

have a locked and loaded potential superstar to replace

1:07:54

him.

1:07:55

That there's just a lot of logic there that

1:07:57

checks out. Yeah, I would I would love to see

1:07:59

that kind of huge move.

1:08:00

And you know, I think.

1:08:04

To stay on top, you can't

1:08:07

just do the status quo. You can't and you have

1:08:09

to make big moves. And they're

1:08:11

so good at scouting later in the draft that they can

1:08:14

afford to, you know, take some chances

1:08:16

and and so like again,

1:08:19

Xavior Worthy is not out of the conversation either

1:08:21

at like that eleven twelve area. If you remember

1:08:23

John Ross went like ninth, I

1:08:26

think, and he was not he was not nearly

1:08:28

the prospect.

1:08:29

That it's a great point that you make about everyone

1:08:32

thinks they have the top ten and it becomes

1:08:35

very consensusye, where like there's so much

1:08:37

agreement, and then it never.

1:08:39

Happens that way.

1:08:39

Like even guys who are now you look back

1:08:41

at you're like, oh, yeah, Drake London, of course he was the number

1:08:43

eight pick.

1:08:44

It's like no one had that.

1:08:45

No, absolutely, no one had that, and he was like a very

1:08:47

well known prospect, like but literally no one

1:08:49

had that. And that happens all the time with these these

1:08:51

guys at the top. Fun

1:08:54

mock that one comes out when on Friday, on Friday.

1:08:56

One little note, Bills fans are not going to

1:08:58

be happy at the twenty eighth pick that they don't go wide

1:09:00

receive where they go defensive player edge

1:09:03

Marshawn Neeland.

1:09:04

Yeah, and Brandon Bean's already come out and said,

1:09:06

look, we're not reaching for a player, and I mean

1:09:08

I thought of a bunch of different ways of

1:09:10

them moving up to get a guy, but they're

1:09:13

not. They move up, but they only give up like a

1:09:15

fourth round pick or something like that. If somebody

1:09:17

falls into the early twenties, then then

1:09:19

maybe they go get them.

1:09:20

Someone to if all the sixth that you had quite a few receivers

1:09:23

falling that far Roman Wilson, right, you have

1:09:25

them taking Roman Wilson, Ricky Pierce ow you had eighty

1:09:27

Mitchell falling quite away as Troy Franklin.

1:09:29

And if you just do the math, yeah, some of these

1:09:31

guys that feel like they have a chance to

1:09:33

be in the top thirty five forty at receiver are

1:09:36

absolutely going to be there at the end of the second round.

1:09:38

Well, and teams and I would drive

1:09:40

the editors and saying, if I projected

1:09:42

six second round trades, right, I mean, so

1:09:45

they would go nuts.

1:09:46

And but that's what happens. There's five or

1:09:48

sixth trades.

1:09:48

So a lot of the guys that I have at the end of the second

1:09:51

round, teams will move up and go get And the Bills

1:09:53

are probably one of those teams that'll move one of their fourth

1:09:55

round picks, move up and get one of the receivers

1:09:57

they like, kind of like Packers did that with Christian a

1:10:00

couple of years ago, and so I

1:10:03

would expect that more than a first round move.

1:10:05

From them, Chad writer, check

1:10:07

them out NFL dot com. Where can they find

1:10:09

you?

1:10:09

On?

1:10:10

Mark X on x.

1:10:12

Twitter, Great Chad Underscore.

1:10:15

Mark insists that, uh, the

1:10:18

owner gets his due. That's just the Mark thing.

1:10:20

And I can't that is completely inaccurate,

1:10:22

but well we'll just let it go. Where okay find you?

1:10:24

Great Phoenix Mellon is like, call him?

1:10:27

I would, uh, Chad

1:10:30

Underscore r e U T E R right,

1:10:32

yeah, but don't call him ruder.

1:10:34

I don't care.

1:10:35

Oh, okay, all right, thank you to

1:10:38

Chad, Thank you to Art.

1:10:41

Good name day too.

1:10:42

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1:10:45

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