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The Around the NFL podcast

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Football is Back.

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I know he's kind of right from

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the Chris Westling podcast Studios Around the

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NFL. Dan

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hands us here back for another week ahead

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of the Draft, joined by

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heroes Mark Sessler, Greg

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Rosenthal. And of

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course, and this is I should say, of course because

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this is not typically.

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When this person is with us. Also, there

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was quite a bit of concern about

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her whereabouts and they were given the

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state, you know, recent state of news

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around this individual, an idea that maybe

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forcibly taken off our

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last broadcast.

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But no, she' back. Colleen

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Shannie's the queen Queen.

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She is the Queen of NFL

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meeting.

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I never really thought about it before, but that specific

1:00

tune has like kind of some church hymn

1:03

vibes a bit a little bit there.

1:05

Like it's like God just came in the studio. Well,

1:08

it's the Queen.

1:09

I mean that is essentially saying every

1:13

other option to be the queen is below

1:15

you, below the Queen.

1:17

I also thought about your strategy,

1:20

like over the weekend that you

1:22

effectively came on and did an excellent

1:24

eight or nine minutes of podcasting,

1:27

left a message on your phone to tag at

1:29

the end, and it was like that's

1:31

she's still is part of the any idea, she's

1:33

still part of the cash. You're going just as valuable

1:35

as anyone else. And I think it was just an incredible

1:38

strategy for multiple angles for.

1:39

Colleen in that particular

1:41

situation. It worked for the show.

1:44

Yeah ideas.

1:46

I was just on the fact that it was effective.

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Thank you, thank you so much. We

1:51

made it work, but.

1:52

Not a permanent solution for Colleen or

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anyone else.

1:55

Just thought about it like in multiple from multiple

1:57

angles, no action steps

1:59

to yeah.

2:00

Right, you know, thank you. Jason Zummo.

2:02

By the way, reminding us football is back this week,

2:05

twenty five teams kicking off voluntary

2:08

offseason workout. So I think it's it's basically

2:10

having the Jets put out,

2:12

you know, a nice image slow motion

2:15

of Aaron Rodgers. No, that's just how he walks

2:17

walking into the building. And I think

2:19

that just shows this football is back,

2:22

save for like.

2:22

The twenty five percent of players that are not showing

2:24

up because of money issues and various grumblings.

2:27

It's just like we're back here. We've got

2:29

slow motion sunglass area.

2:31

Though, nice camo vibe.

2:35

I feel like you just went through it all with the Jets year.

2:37

Agree, and I'm back in the same place, and nothing

2:39

happened during the real football.

2:40

Season, just

2:42

the way it goes. It is a bit of a cycle.

2:44

The entire job, in a way is a cycle.

2:47

It all begins anew But football

2:50

is not bad. We already discussed that football

2:52

is not back until after Thanksgiving,

2:55

but you really want to be serious about it, like

2:58

next January?

3:00

Right, yeah, all right? Coming

3:03

up on today's.

3:03

Show, I you know, the

3:06

draft is Let's see, the draft is a week

3:08

from Thursday, so we

3:10

have hit it from multiple angles of the past couple

3:12

of weeks.

3:12

We're gonna continue to do this week.

3:13

We're gonna have some guests involved this

3:15

this show, though, we're gonna kind of keep it in house. We're

3:18

gonna talk about the players that fascinate

3:21

him. In fact, this segment is called

3:23

I love them Fascinating Players

3:26

in twenty twenty four NFL Draft and

3:28

that let's make that the episode title as well.

3:30

That's a good one, I think, yeah, put it in quotes.

3:33

Hey, hear that again, I love

3:36

them all.

3:38

It's I think it's genuine.

3:40

It is, Yeah, no, it felt authentic.

3:43

That's from our Friday show and you were talking, of

3:45

course of lad Maconki.

3:48

I don't know if he's coming up today, but we already

3:50

know that I love him.

3:53

I will say one thing that I've personally

3:56

tried to put in more

3:58

draft work than in some prior years.

4:00

Yeah, and that we already talk. We already talk

4:02

loud Maconkie. We already gave them that. Yeah,

4:05

there's a lot of other players to look at, and that's what we're gonna.

4:07

Do more efficient to see to hit, we

4:09

gotta spread the way around. Yahessler's got his.

4:12

Leg a ocean of prospects out there for the sas

4:14

dog entire. But

4:17

before that we do that, that's hit

4:19

the news.

4:19

Let's say one day it is a situation,

4:21

right, Maybe it's the forty nine ers, Maybe you know, headed

4:24

to the playoffs.

4:24

Offense is great, Patriots, somebody,

4:27

somebody raiders could be you never

4:29

know, Scott forbid, somebody goes down, would

4:31

you pick up that phone. I'm

4:34

not opposed to it. If they would. I don't know if

4:36

they're gonna let me by becoming an owner in the NFL

4:38

team, But I don't know. If I

4:40

don't know, I'm always going to be in good shape. I always be able

4:42

to throw the ball. So to come in for a

4:44

little bit like MJ coming back, I

4:47

don't know if they let me, but I wouldn't be opposed to

4:49

it.

4:49

That's I'm unfamiliar

4:52

with the show, but the Deep Cut podcast with Vic

4:54

Blend's Tom Brady in a barber

4:56

chair with the whole, with the whole, the

4:58

cloak on him and everything. I'd

5:00

like to get a good look at Tom Brady's hair, by the way, and

5:03

how that's.

5:05

It was pretty mid cut right there though. Yeah,

5:08

But as Mark and I have long.

5:11

Held the theory that he had radical

5:13

work done from the neck

5:15

up. If you look at look at him on the

5:17

tea cups at Disneyland and O

5:20

two and take a look at him in

5:22

the later years.

5:23

Well, it's a it's a theory, but one

5:26

of our many cases where we've compiled evidence

5:29

and facts and sourced various

5:31

conversations over a decade plus and there's

5:33

some trencht uh eyewitness

5:36

concepts about what maybe happen.

5:37

The hair situation, I feel like is fine

5:40

now. It is more accepted

5:42

widely.

5:43

I think among people going down

5:45

certain roads you're.

5:46

Going to get plugs.

5:47

It's like, I respect the guys that

5:49

go completely bald and then they're like, nah, you

5:51

know what, I'm going back and.

5:53

Like like public figures that do it.

5:55

You brought it up, so I'm gonna I don't

5:58

know if Brady didn't know, we don't know.

6:00

I know people someone directly

6:03

in the show business, and

6:06

and he's everybody.

6:07

Everybody does it.

6:09

Yeah, guys, all the guys just about anyway,

6:11

That's the point. A couple of things. First of all,

6:13

he was I don't know, it was a new bit of a greg

6:16

you know, Tom Brady's voice as well as anyone,

6:19

a new kind of cadence, little white

6:21

boy flow there from Brady, the Travis

6:23

Kelcey flow to the off the tongue

6:25

felt maybe because he was in the barbershop or something.

6:27

I think that was maybe more just he's with

6:30

uh, a younger man who's

6:33

looking.

6:33

But you're picking up on that too, right, there's a little bit. I

6:36

would like to hear it again.

6:37

But I am curious about the consultants

6:39

that are telling Tom Brady to go on this podcast,

6:42

like how did the quarterbacks shoot? Like, there's

6:44

no way he knows this podcast on

6:46

his own. It's like a young len guy,

6:49

no like that someone is saying, we want to

6:51

be hitting the younger demo, Vic blends

6:54

would be great. Yes, like so he so

6:56

someone is getting paid to just tell him that

6:58

information.

6:59

That's a good job. Yeah, the big job

7:01

by Vic Blendze.

7:02

The person who's telling Aaron Rodgers he might be doing

7:04

on his own, I feel like doing less of a good job

7:06

like his the podcast he chooses to pop

7:08

up on our little Little I.

7:10

Just I continue to be awestruck

7:12

by Tom Brady's intense desire

7:15

to announce football games for Fox.

7:19

And by the way, that is the first time I heard that. I

7:23

didn't think. I didn't take that seriously at all. I

7:25

think that was a guy like having fun and

7:27

uh, that was a little bit of us, you know, sip

7:29

and tea in the barbershop, joking around. Like

7:32

I didn't think. I didn't take that to mean he was

7:34

serious about it.

7:34

I agree.

7:35

And yet if someone had called him

7:37

last year, I bet he would have done it.

7:39

Like I just don't wait a

7:41

second. He was preparing for the

7:43

broadcasting job last year. He was in the

7:45

bunker, which I believe.

7:47

I mean, that's time he brought up MJ immediately

7:50

that he's like, hey, maybe MJ on the Wizards.

7:52

Essentially, as he's talking about, it's like, all

7:54

right, but.

7:54

He'll always be in good shase for the basketball.

7:57

True.

7:57

Let's get into other news. So

8:00

maybe Tom Brady comes back end of next year.

8:02

Stranger things have happened, all right.

8:04

Let's move into other

8:06

news, starting with Rashie

8:09

Rice, who four days ago surrendered

8:11

to police on an assault charge after a

8:14

high speed crash that went down

8:17

on a Dallas highway last month that involved

8:19

a half dozen vehicles. And

8:21

Rice twenty three years old and coming

8:23

off a very promising rookie year with

8:26

the chiefs involved

8:28

with the incident and now involved in a legal

8:31

situation that could have ramifications

8:33

obviously for him personally, also the Kansas

8:35

City Chiefs and in the

8:38

realm of the chiefs kingdom connected to this,

8:41

the chief to expect, this was a report

8:44

earlier today. Expect Wide receiver Rashi

8:46

Rice to participate as they began their

8:49

off season program Monday with virtual meetings,

8:51

Andy Reid said. Reid kind

8:54

of didn't get into specifics

8:56

on Rice's situation. He said, well, just see where

8:58

everything goes from there,

9:00

referring to the law enforcement investigation.

9:03

Let the process take place. So Greg's

9:06

This sets up obviously terrible

9:09

situation. We

9:12

remembered what the terrible car accident

9:15

Henry Ruggs was involved in Vegas, so this brings

9:17

back memories of that and Rice very

9:20

nearly being involved allegedly

9:23

with something I could have had similarly similarly

9:25

terrible outcome. So we'll

9:27

see what happens with the chiefser who already needed

9:29

help at playmaker with

9:31

the draft a week away, and now you have this Rice

9:33

situation hanging over everything.

9:35

Yeah, he didn't want he Andy Reid said he's

9:37

talked to Rice. He wouldn't take questions do on them

9:39

in that he wanted the law enfor quote, the law

9:42

enforcement part to take place, and then

9:44

they'll go from there. When it comes to Rashi

9:46

Rice, I don't know what go from there means,

9:49

but I think it's safe to say the Chiefs have to operate

9:52

that they don't know what Rice's status

9:56

is as a member of the team or

9:58

at the beginning of the season, we from the outside

10:01

also don't know what Raci Rice's status is with

10:04

the Chiefs. They could decide to do anything and it

10:06

puts.

10:06

Them back like where they were, you know,

10:08

before signing Markus Brown and where

10:10

they were after signing Markus Brown. It's like they need

10:13

consistent number one wide receiver play from

10:15

someone, and Rice was shaping up to be that

10:18

guy in theory, and like, you know, you know, a

10:20

suspension can whack you for the first

10:22

you know, month of a season plus and that

10:24

those games matter a ton for Kansas City.

10:26

I mean, thank god that this did not involve any

10:29

fatalities because we would be talking about this in

10:31

such a different tone. But

10:34

his off season in general went from

10:36

so lighthearted, working out with Patrick

10:39

Mahomes, wearing Patrick Mahomes

10:41

Dad bod shirt.

10:42

Everyone was laughing about it. It was fun, it was light

10:44

whatever.

10:45

And then now he's facing eight felony

10:47

charges, six of collision involving bodily

10:50

injury, one of collision involving serious

10:52

bodily injury, and one of aggravated assault.

10:54

Doesn't even include charges for leaving the scene.

10:57

So it'll be interesting to see how the

10:59

league approaches this because

11:02

obviously, in any criminal case,

11:04

the league likes to wait for

11:06

everything to play out before they hand

11:09

down any type of suspensions,

11:12

or maybe he goes on leave. But

11:15

I mean, it was just like, what kind

11:18

of decision was he making?

11:19

To leave.

11:20

I mean, his cars were involved in it. He

11:22

had to have known that eventually, Like you

11:24

can't run from that. But it's just it

11:27

sucks for him, it sucks for everyone involved, and

11:29

then also for the chiefs now in this situation

11:31

where they don't know they're in a little bit of a limbo

11:33

with their wide receiver position.

11:35

I always think these suspensions, too, take on a

11:37

bit of a different tone when there's a video yeah

11:40

versus not, and like there isn't a

11:42

ton of precedent for an accident like this involving

11:44

so many people, and it's like, I don't

11:46

know, we'll see what the league does.

11:48

Let's talk other wide receivers in more

11:51

on the field tone. Let's

11:53

start with Brandon and Ayuk, who trope

11:55

alert removed

11:58

the San Francisco forty nine from

12:01

all social.

12:03

Media true little boy.

12:05

Yeah, and now everybody

12:08

talks about that as a trope alert, but I feel like our podcasts

12:10

a little ahead of the curve on that as

12:12

a tried and true move for a player to start the

12:14

process of being annoyed with this team

12:16

in a public manner, so that

12:19

leads to reporting and aggregated

12:21

reporting.

12:22

And then Ayuk's.

12:23

Agent on Monday, denied

12:26

on social media a report that the star receiver

12:29

requested a trade. Ayuk

12:32

is under contract. He's entering

12:34

the fifty year of his rookie deal. He set to make fourteen

12:37

million. Connie,

12:40

this is a very very talented

12:42

wide receiver, yestn who you speak with, maybe

12:44

a superstar wide receiver. But he's

12:46

also on a team that has some high

12:49

paid players, including someone at his own position

12:51

in Deebo Samuel, and the idea

12:53

of a trade does not seem out of the realm

12:55

of possibility.

12:56

No, and I'm sure he wants to be paid like Debo,

12:58

even if he hasn't asked or a trade,

13:00

there's still some type of smoke there.

13:03

It's a passive aggressive move to unfollow

13:07

the Niners on all of your social media

13:09

channels, knowing that everyone's gonna pick up on that. But for

13:11

the Niners, time is everything, right

13:13

now, pay him or trade him to get

13:15

some type of draft compensation because

13:17

his price tag is only going to

13:19

go up with every single deal that's

13:21

made. We'll talk about DeVante Smith coming up,

13:24

but all of those extensions, I mean, Ceedee Lamb

13:26

justin Jefferson, Like, there's a lot of receivers

13:28

that are trying to get paid right now, and he deserves

13:31

to get paid.

13:33

His agent.

13:35

Came on Twitter and said, you need better

13:37

sources to a report,

13:41

and this is why it's tricky.

13:43

You gotta become better

13:45

if you're.

13:46

In this industry, all

13:48

right, No, just has this the Medium Minute?

13:50

No, I just reading Twitter.

13:52

The report came from NFL

13:54

insider John Purcella.

14:00

Be a young star on the rise. You don't know, but

14:03

isn't working for any

14:07

anything.

14:08

I'm not really sure, like just

14:10

as a guy with it, you know, has a check mark.

14:12

And he put this report out and he said it's official.

14:16

Check This

14:19

sounds too much like a media minute, so let's

14:21

do it. This is Greg sitting in on

14:24

the dn hands's media to hit it.

14:26

Eric, it's

14:32

time or the latest edition of

14:34

the Media Minute with Greg

14:38

A.

14:39

So I think, yeah, if you're if you're you're on Twitter

14:41

and you're noticing these things, you know, look look

14:44

for where's the employer.

14:46

If you can't find find one red

14:48

flag?

14:49

If there's a situation where fifteen

14:51

thousand followers, Okay, that's that.

14:53

I take notes. That sounds good.

14:54

It's a checklist, but then ten no

14:57

job folloween yeah, that's

14:59

that.

15:00

It's a red flag.

15:01

And if the link to the latest

15:04

work is a

15:07

blog spot that hasn't been updated

15:09

in almost two years, log Spot,

15:12

you know it's on you if you passed

15:14

that along as info. Now, who knows an aggregator

15:16

maybe maybe his agent though, is just

15:18

on Twitter and saw this and he responds and

15:21

I'm glad and there's you know, a little

15:23

more news on social it appeared

15:26

and you can't really tell. On his Instagram today, Brandon

15:28

Nyuk was at Day one of

15:30

off season program because he was like, I'm a Day one

15:32

type of guy and put that up on Instagram stories

15:35

and appeared he was, you know, at thesode.

15:36

That was that was illuminating Greg.

15:39

Everything checked out and that was the medium minute,

15:42

I think, I think it, yeah, and

15:48

that was the medium minute with Greg.

15:51

I think in Twitter parlance,

15:55

be better.

15:58

I also think Brandon Nyuk is

16:00

very likely to get a contract from the forty nine

16:02

ers, and this is one that doesn't have a lot

16:04

of juice to it.

16:05

And I think if Brandon I first traded,

16:09

everyone's going to oh first round pick. But remember

16:11

trade tax that we instituted,

16:14

right. I think you were in Hawaii when we finally

16:16

put our foot down on this and we're

16:18

gonna stop.

16:18

Well, if the fail was slifted off our eyes, right,

16:21

Yeah.

16:21

So whatever you think Brandon I WHU deserves

16:24

knock it down around. So you know,

16:26

go get Brandon Hu. Are you for a second this

16:28

year and a fourth next year? And I would do that in

16:30

a second.

16:31

No, I feel like that he's got

16:33

to be worth a first round.

16:35

Lift the mail con.

16:36

I think he's getting paid by his current

16:38

team. That the Deebo thing went on

16:41

forever, and so I'll think Deebo Samuel is more likely

16:43

to get traded than Nayuk. But I think it would be in twenty

16:45

twenty five when when

16:48

Perdy Deebo is a twenty

16:50

four million dollar cap hit next year, it's a twenty

16:52

eight million dollar cap pit this year.

16:55

In otherwide receiver news, T Higgins

16:57

said, I quote do anticipate playing

17:00

for the Bengals in twenty twenty four. Higgins

17:02

is another one that you

17:05

know he's on the franchise tag and there

17:07

was talk about that maybe he's going to be moved,

17:10

but he looks forward to the season with the Bengals.

17:12

And speaking of players that have been connected

17:14

a lot to trade whispers

17:17

but nothing tangible. Devonte Adams

17:19

of the Raiders, and he spoke with The Athletic

17:23

in an interview and said, if I wanted

17:25

to be gone, I'd be gone, which

17:28

is pretty different. For whatever reason,

17:30

that checks out to me because he has

17:32

not kind of been on the record

17:35

about wanting to be part of this rebuild

17:38

under Pierce, and now he is. He wants

17:41

to be the he wants to be part of it. He's excited like everybody

17:43

else is around the Raiders and trying

17:45

to surprise some people.

17:46

Oh yeah, and now his offensive

17:48

coordinator from Green Bay, Luke Getzi,

17:50

is in Vegas, so they have a little

17:52

history there. And I feel like a lot of his

17:55

frustration stemmed from the dislike

17:57

and whatever was going on between him and Josh McDaniels,

18:00

and and that was like the whole team

18:02

felt that way. It seems so now Dante

18:05

Adams came out and was stumping

18:08

for Antonio Pierce. Now he's there, feels like everything

18:10

is like a little bit easier and a little bit better now

18:13

vibes area.

18:13

See how he's feeling when garden shoes uh

18:16

thrown past his in those hospital balls exactly.

18:19

I think Daniels supposed to absolute poison in

18:21

that or this.

18:22

I feel like someone must have told him at least to quell

18:24

him for now, Like we're going hard for a

18:26

quarterback. It's not going to be aid and O'Connell or Gardner

18:29

Minshew week one if we.

18:30

Can do anything.

18:30

Oh and yeah, he just moved his family there. I think he

18:33

said that he loves living

18:35

there. And you know that's that's an important they're moving up. That's

18:37

important part of things. And I tend to believe like everyone

18:39

hoping for these wide receiver trads, I am too, because it makes

18:41

draft week and we're excited. I I

18:44

have never thought that T Higgins was going to get traded. I

18:46

think the Bengals are a unique organization that the

18:49

way they like to do things like, well, we'll just happen

18:51

one more year. We're not gonna pay him the long term. We'll just let

18:53

him leave a year from now. But it's worth him to keep it for this

18:55

year. And if you're T Higgins, you could really make

18:57

a stink about it, or you could realize,

18:59

like I'm coming off.

19:00

A bad year.

19:00

I'm with Joe Burrow, I've made I

19:03

would have to go check but I'm sure much. I got

19:05

you, buddy, much less than ten million dollars

19:08

in his career, maybe like five or six, and he's

19:10

about to make twenty one in one year. So

19:12

if you're about to make about

19:14

a four hundred percent increase off

19:16

of what you made in four years combined, you're

19:19

not going to be like, You're probably

19:21

not gonna go too crazy like in terms of not

19:23

being happy, and you're going to show up and make it happen.

19:26

His career earnings to this point, Greigie

19:29

like four million dollars or something. Let's

19:31

see total cash in four seasons

19:33

with the Bengals.

19:37

Ten million.

19:37

Okay, Greg's made more than that. All

19:41

right, let's pause right here for a minute and take

19:44

a break and then get back to the news. All

19:47

right, we're back in other news.

19:49

The NFL, excuse me, extensions,

19:52

the Eagles. Hey, here's your guys. Slim

19:54

Reaper Devanta Smith signs a three

19:56

year extension worth seventy five million.

19:59

The Call also get a deal done with the

20:01

Forest Buckner, who, according to cults

20:04

officials, epitomizes everything that a cult

20:06

should be. All Right, I guess they're

20:08

happy with that trade they did with the Niners a couple of years ago.

20:11

But Devanta Smith, Yeah, you

20:13

like him, don't chuck huck I do.

20:15

It was as soon as I walked into my family's

20:17

house for Easter dinner, it was the first question

20:20

on everyone's mind, what's going on with DeVante

20:22

Smith?

20:23

When is this deal getting done?

20:24

Really? Like what a slice of Philly

20:26

like.

20:26

It's so great to see you happy Easter.

20:29

Oh my god, it's been like years at this point

20:31

that I've seen my extended family.

20:34

But yeah, it's a big deal.

20:35

Everyone wants to know. Everyone wanted to know.

20:37

Finally, they lock them in through twenty twenty

20:39

eight, so they picked up his fifth year option

20:42

and then the extension is for the three

20:44

years that then follow So if you're

20:46

looking at the money that he's making on an average

20:48

per year basis, the Eagles now

20:50

have two of the top highest

20:53

paid receivers, top five highest paid

20:55

receivers in the entire league with himself

20:57

and aj Brown. But this was really

21:00

smart of Howie to get this deal done

21:02

before justin Jefferson and Ceedee Lamb

21:04

and jamar and and mother

21:07

exactly. But this is what Philly

21:10

does. They take care of their own. They

21:12

don't wait until the last minute. Greg, you're

21:14

talking about t Higgins and how the Bengals

21:16

operate that the Eagles are the exact opposite.

21:18

They make it a priority to get these

21:21

deals done early, so there's

21:23

no discontent that sort of grows. And

21:25

I think that it'll be interesting to watch Kellen

21:28

Moore, their new offensive coordinator,

21:30

what he does, if he does anything different with

21:33

Devonte Smith now coming

21:35

up this season.

21:36

I mean the one thing there that is just

21:38

coming from last year's Eagles like fall

21:41

off a cliff at that was last year.

21:43

I'm just saying because like one of them

21:45

you're not talking about last year, who

21:47

seemed more annoyed.

21:48

Aj Brown.

21:49

It seemed like was so annoyed, like game after game, and it's

21:51

like he has no guaranteed money after this season. So

21:53

you got these Juelian Banjo's a wide

21:55

out, We'll see it. By the one thing, elut

21:57

to Forest Buckner, like, the Colts are interesting and

22:00

it's not shocking on a Chris Belbert. They've signed

22:02

now ten of their own players to new deals,

22:05

and by think Buckner is worth it. You can he can

22:07

drive around on a cream colored purse for the rest

22:09

of his Cults journey now with the money

22:11

he's just made. But like he's like, you

22:14

know, they just want to stick with their own dudes.

22:16

Oh their player. Yeah.

22:17

They also locked in Grover Stewart on that line,

22:19

so they've been good for a while together Green Color,

22:22

and they're staying the same.

22:23

No, you're right, it's a good choice in color.

22:24

It's a continuation of a cults trend. They

22:27

resigned their guys more than any team league, but the Eagles

22:30

they do.

22:31

I know you're sick of hearing how No, I have nothing

22:33

to say on this. I'll offer nothing.

22:35

My stance has been made.

22:36

Clear because he technically had two

22:38

years left on his contract, so they got way ahead

22:40

of it. He was in he wants to make more money

22:42

now because he was in the fourth year of his Rickey deal, but then they

22:44

would add the fifth year option, and so they tacked three years

22:47

off of that and he gets way more in the short term. But

22:49

that contract goes through twenty twenty eight. That's going to look

22:51

like an incredible value and he's probably

22:53

not going to be very happy with that contract in three

22:55

years and they'll have to revisit that. And that is it's

22:58

just good business, and it's how you avoid I'd get

23:00

into this situation that the Cowboys are in, or

23:02

that the Jaguars were in this offseason with Josh

23:04

Allen, and that's why they couldn't keep Calvin really, except

23:07

in this case the players are much better. I was thinking,

23:09

Okay, it might be time to say goodbye to AJ Brown

23:11

at some point too.

23:12

It's like A J.

23:13

Brown's twenty six years How is AJ Brown only

23:15

twenty six years old right now?

23:17

So that's true?

23:18

Do you want to keep him from just for starters?

23:20

He was born twenty six years ago right now?

23:23

I love that for the but Greg, they have

23:25

five players under contract through twenty twenty eight,

23:28

including Jalen Hurts and then the other four

23:30

guys that they already signed this offseason with Landon

23:32

Dickerson, Jake Elliott, Jordan Mylotta,

23:35

and now DeVante Smith.

23:37

I'm currently reading

23:40

and enjoying it quite a bit.

23:42

The Jordan Rules by Sam

23:44

Smith, documenting the.

23:46

Also rewatching the Jordan documentary

23:49

Wormhole, Okay.

23:50

Wormhole in Focust.

23:53

The paperback that I got has a new

23:55

forward by Sam Smith where he reflects

23:58

on the documentary and how he was going

24:00

to do it and the Bulls Dynasty.

24:02

Look at you, I found of Michael, I

24:04

went and showed Walker want to see I had

24:07

some cards, some old cards that were like my better

24:09

football, basketball baseball cards. Yesterday

24:11

I went through. We went through because it's rainy in La as

24:13

always all that happens in La.

24:15

Now.

24:16

Yeah, we went through it, look through some old ones

24:18

to see if I have any bangers in there. A whole bunch

24:20

of a lot of money I wasted buying cards

24:22

back A lot of deep breaths. Had two good cards

24:25

in the entire thing. One of them was a solid

24:27

Jordan card that is valued around

24:29

five hundred dollars or so.

24:30

Is it in minute condition or is it? Probably not.

24:32

It's in one of those things that looks good.

24:34

Well, that's a terrible job by the youth

24:36

version of you, because even back then you knew you had.

24:38

To know it looks good. It's been in one of those things the whole

24:40

time. You think it looks good.

24:41

But if you take it to one of these nerdy cards, I got a

24:43

condition. It was different. Just saying that was

24:46

exciting to me to find this fleer Ale,

24:49

I don't remember. Yeah, what's your guy do?

24:51

My guy's a guy, he's a guy. That's connected at the highest

24:53

levels to the industry of what

24:56

condition is this in? How much is it worth?

24:58

Huh?

24:58

I hope it's not thro out there on YouTube

25:01

that opens up packs of cards from like nineteen

25:04

ninety one Raiser.

25:04

Yeah, but eats the gum too. No, I introduced

25:06

you to that guy. Oh well, Chuck Wax. So

25:10

it was fantastic. Yeah.

25:11

I was watching card which was not worth

25:13

anything, but you could see the gum staying

25:16

on the card.

25:17

The gum was called gum sweat the dust. It's

25:20

like it already wasn't worth anything anyway. Jordan

25:23

rules, I bring this up. He

25:25

happened to be there. Sam Smith.

25:26

He was a beat reporter for the Chicago Tribune

25:29

who happened to pick the perfect year

25:31

to do.

25:32

Oh, I'm following this team and covering

25:34

this player.

25:35

He picked Michael Jordan and the nineteen

25:38

ninety one Chicago Bulls that won the first of six

25:40

titles. And even

25:42

though this came out thirty some odd years

25:44

ago, at this point it's still the same, which

25:46

is, it's so hard to manage

25:49

rosters and manage egos, and everyone's

25:51

paying very close attention to not

25:54

only how much they're making in their contract

25:56

situation, but their teammates and who's

25:59

who got what?

26:00

He got this, but I didn't get that.

26:01

Scottie Pippen dealt with this a lot because

26:03

Jerry Kraus locked him into a bad contract,

26:06

the GM of the team.

26:07

Anyway, I bring this up because not.

26:08

The only bad contract he locked into. Little

26:12

tabloids take there by Mark?

26:14

Is that a tap? Take? Yeah?

26:15

Just go if you're listening and you care, go research

26:17

it on your own. We don't need to stop into it. I don't want to interrupt.

26:19

You love AJ Brown, who you know, he's

26:22

a guy that hasn't always been happy on that team.

26:24

Now Slim Reaper got the bag. That

26:26

could be an issue.

26:27

I don't know, folks, I am with you

26:30

type.

26:30

Issue, but I also with Aj Brown. I feel like

26:32

he gets this rap for like not being happy.

26:35

I think that he just expresses it outwardly

26:37

more than other people.

26:38

Won is it a rap? Whereas there's some evidence

26:40

that he's.

26:41

There's plenty of evidence, but I think that he

26:43

just you know, I didn't up to

26:45

voice his opinion.

26:46

I like what you're saying is there's a lot of this and

26:48

maybe there's a lot more passive aggressive people

26:51

in the build in or something that are more annoying,

26:53

and you'd actually rather the AJ guy.

26:55

You know, we are rather like exactly like

26:57

process these feelings.

26:58

Let's not repress You're more optim mistic the

27:00

normal about the Eagles. Typically there's some doom and gloom

27:02

or like what's next around the corner. I tend to think

27:04

something's around the corner, right, I'm just throwing it out

27:06

there. Yeah, times change, sports change.

27:09

The guys are always watching the other guys, especially

27:11

in their position group. All right, Connie,

27:16

you are going to Detroit for the draft.

27:18

I am What is your role within the company's

27:21

structure?

27:22

A few different things.

27:23

I will be doing hosting

27:25

DJ's mock draft the night before night

27:28

one, and then I'll be on

27:31

site on the desk doing some things night

27:33

one and night two for the network,

27:35

and then I'll be on the stage night one

27:38

and night three.

27:39

I've never done Day.

27:40

Three before, and it looks like things

27:42

get weird.

27:43

It looks like so much fun and there's gonna be

27:45

puppies. I was like, I would like to do

27:47

Day three.

27:48

Thirteen prospects will

27:50

be in attendance in Detroit

27:52

for the drafts, which begins

27:55

Thursday. April twenty fifth. That

27:57

seems like it's a dwindling numbers still

28:00

lowesting these is the lowest in years.

28:02

Since the monfl is inviting fewer,

28:04

they've said, because they're really trying to another way to.

28:06

Spin it bad.

28:07

But what about but what about all the like

28:09

the fashion business before and then in

28:11

their show.

28:12

Here's here's what you need to know redcarpet. You

28:15

want, you want the big name, So number one

28:17

pick Caleb Williams.

28:18

He'll be there.

28:19

Jaden Daniels, the QB from Els, he'll be there.

28:21

Drake May QB from UNC, he'll

28:23

be there. Marvin Harrison Junior, he'll

28:25

be there.

28:26

So there are he didn't do anything either.

28:27

I love that he's going like he didn't test or do

28:30

anything at the combine.

28:31

I like that he's going to the draft.

28:32

We'll just wait at the finish line. Absolutely.

28:36

But if you're him angry,

28:40

no, I mean I think it's he didn't need to prove much.

28:42

We know he's good.

28:43

Finally in the news, anything down about that draft

28:46

next week, that's a plug.

28:47

JJ McCarthy reportedly just didn't respond

28:50

at all, so eventually they had to take it back.

28:52

You as a potential future of the Patriots.

28:54

Is that a red flag for you? Is that la

28:56

Raville Magnivi.

28:57

Now that is not ghosts.

29:00

I'm a little under concerned he left him on

29:02

red that was on the Yeah. Pro Football

29:05

Talk wrote that.

29:07

The only notable player here was like Darius

29:09

Robinson of Missouri. It shows you what the

29:11

NFL thinks in terms of like that was a player that

29:13

a lot of people did not think. Where it's going

29:15

in the first round and he's one of the thirteen.

29:18

But are they reaching out to people to

29:20

you don't want him sitting there as the one of the one

29:23

guy out of thirteen that's not.

29:24

Well, they might have a higher opinion of where

29:26

he whoever they is, might have a higher opinion

29:28

of where he's going than like the consensus

29:30

Centeville draft boards. So that that name stuck

29:32

out to me as like, wow, he's he's going to be there

29:35

because the rest you expect to be top fifteen

29:37

to twenty picks.

29:39

Finally, in the news, OJ Simpson is dead,

29:41

the former running back

29:43

legendary Bills running back who

29:46

later became a figure

29:48

that went well beyond football, died

29:50

at seventy six years old after

29:53

about with cancer, and I think it's worthy

29:56

that even though this happened a few days ago, it didn't

29:58

line up with our show release. I think it's where they we talk about

30:00

for a couple of reasons. First

30:02

of all, this around the NFL and OJ Simpson

30:05

as a football player was one

30:07

of the most.

30:07

Popular and beloved players

30:10

in the history of the league.

30:11

He ran for two thousand yards, the first guy to ever do that

30:13

in a fourteen game season. And

30:15

we have a lot of listeners that

30:18

are either a too young to know

30:21

what went down in the

30:23

mid nineties around O. J. Simpson or

30:27

or not from this country and don't understand

30:31

what O. J. Simpson and the murder

30:33

case and the subsequent trial, what

30:36

that was about in this

30:38

country, and that became the biggest story

30:40

really of the nineteen nineties. And when

30:43

they talk about trial of the century, you

30:46

hear that thrown up around a lot, but that really was

30:49

the trial of the century

30:52

and everything around it. So

30:54

the idea marked that OJ

30:56

now is gone thirty years after he was acquitted

30:59

of that double is

31:02

certainly a noteworthy and was

31:04

a major figure. And like where we

31:06

are ages, yes, you know, we

31:09

have a totally different outlook and viewpoint

31:11

on everything. So now that he's gone thirty years

31:13

later, it's pretty wild.

31:14

I'll just hit like a couple, like you know,

31:16

this was one of the more personal news

31:18

stories because it was as like cable

31:21

television was becoming like the

31:23

thing. And I'll never forget I really

31:25

wanted to be a journalist back then and be in sports.

31:27

And it's kind of forgotten that

31:30

when it happened during the Knicks,

31:33

he knicks like rockets car chase, right,

31:35

the car chase is unfolding that in

31:37

La. There were people once it kind of got

31:40

going lined up on the streets with like

31:42

poster board signage I'm supporting,

31:44

Like everyone just thought that OJ was under

31:46

duress and probably fine, and then like.

31:48

The choice is loose and things like that.

31:50

Yeah, and this was like a twenty four hour

31:52

a day news story which was interrupted

31:54

for nothing and they had to throw it at

31:56

one point from a sports angle to Bob

31:58

Costas, who was covering the NBA coverage,

32:01

and you guy, I had hours

32:03

and hours and hours of tape of OJ

32:06

in like fun OJ mode back when

32:08

he hosted NFL Live with Bob Costas.

32:10

They became very good friends.

32:12

This is this is weird, but I was actually working

32:14

at that summer camp during all this, and I was

32:17

home when all of the chase happened, camp

32:19

happens, I went back to work.

32:20

I went back to work, but I had and i'll

32:23

I have two little more things.

32:24

But like I had this phone card because

32:26

back then you just you know, I had the pay phone there and

32:29

my friend Peter Acton back in

32:31

like watching the news. I would call him for like

32:33

an hour a day to get updates on what was happening with the trials

32:35

for the rest of the summer.

32:36

And I never got charged on this card I called the

32:39

magic card. And then I was going to American

32:41

University.

32:41

The following special was like I made hundreds of hours

32:43

of calls and I went to American University.

32:46

And fast forward one year when the

32:48

on October third, nineteen ninety

32:50

five, when the verdict came down, and there

32:53

were people there was like we could think we know what's

32:55

going to happen, but we don't. And I was in this gigantic

32:57

student center and the verdict came down and it

32:59

was a show falcking verdict and then the lights went

33:01

out in the student center and it was like a windowless

33:04

gigantic conference type room.

33:06

And like the lights went out, went down with hundreds

33:08

of people in there, screaming, shouting, and it was

33:10

like a totally pitch dark room the world.

33:14

That's what I remember that. Then a week later I.

33:17

Got a bill that channeled from like

33:19

at and T back to my parents'

33:21

house and they sent it to me, and it was like for about fourteen

33:23

hundred dollars in phone charges that I was being

33:26

charged for two years later, sows

33:29

I digress. But there was a lot of weird moments

33:32

back then because people tracked this story like

33:34

no other story.

33:35

The bill always comes, it comes due,

33:37

and it can't do sort of not really

33:39

for him.

33:40

That documentary the five parter

33:43

oj made in America, Oh my god.

33:45

Got to check it out if you're curious about this.

33:47

It was so good, so good, and it was great perspective for us

33:50

or for for me about

33:53

everything before that. Yes, about who he

33:55

was and what he you know, and I knew

33:58

him more as like the guy from the Naked Gun more than

34:00

anything. I mean, I knew he was like an NFL great,

34:05

but that puts it on perspective in

34:08

the perspective of the country. It's one of the best documentaries

34:11

I've ever seen.

34:11

That's how I look

34:14

back at it now as an older person, as a fourteen

34:16

fifteen year old, when it happened three

34:19

thousand miles away in the suburbs of New

34:21

York, like it just it looked like it couldn't

34:23

have been a more open and shut case. This was a man

34:25

that was a horrific abuser of his wife

34:28

and there was a mountain of evidence. It's like, obviously

34:30

he's guilty. But it turned out how

34:33

the long shadow of Rodney King

34:36

in this city and how that came

34:38

to directly connect to this case

34:40

and the lack of justice

34:43

for Rodney King, and how that impacted

34:46

the black community, King and his family,

34:49

how that then led to in

34:51

the opinion of many, Nicole

34:54

Brown and Ronald Golden not getting

34:56

justice because of the way

34:59

the anger that's still in the lack of trust

35:02

around the LAPD.

35:03

It was.

35:04

You learned so much about the country and the issues

35:07

that are

35:09

part of this country since we started, how

35:11

it went on so for our generation Rodney King

35:14

and OJ or for what a

35:16

younger generation with George Floyd was about, where it's

35:18

like, wow, this is continues to be a

35:21

big part of what our country is about,

35:24

and it's underneath everything,

35:26

and it's you

35:29

know, it was as big as it get. It's the biggest story

35:31

of our lifetime really, I mean outside maybe nine to eleven

35:33

obviously.

35:34

But yeah, I was nine when

35:36

all of that was happening, so I didn't have First

35:38

of all, I didn't have a great frame of reference

35:41

as far as Oj as like the player,

35:44

like Greg mentioned, I was.

35:45

I knew that he was a legendary figure.

35:48

I had watched him in like commercials and movies and stuff

35:50

like that.

35:51

But for me, just like looking

35:53

back on everything, it just feels so

35:56

gross how a double murder became

35:59

pop culture and like for

36:01

so many people.

36:02

And it just had a life of

36:05

its own.

36:05

I also was.

36:06

Taken just that he was this figure

36:08

that was, you know, because

36:11

of what he did and in the

36:13

trial was a larger than

36:15

life in a way that's hard to describe.

36:17

And yet here he is when

36:20

he dies, and it.

36:21

Is just really interesting to hear the

36:23

like sort of the different reactions the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

36:25

You know, you can still go and you can look at OJ Simpson's

36:28

bus. It's up there. They flew their

36:30

flag at half mass for OJ Simpson.

36:32

They released the statement just

36:34

about his life. Didn't mention the

36:36

trials in the statement the Buffalo Bills.

36:39

You know who he's really

36:41

associated with, didn't say anything, you know,

36:43

didn't didn't really statement, they didn't do anything.

36:46

His name is still up there though you go to the stadium,

36:49

it's up there in the wall of fame. So and

36:51

I don't even have like a judgment or like

36:54

a hot take on that. It's just it's kind

36:56

of crazy to think that all these years

36:58

later and then that a lot of the reaction

37:00

I feel like to him Dine

37:03

was like silence at least from the people, like from

37:05

organizations and stuff. I don't think there is

37:07

a right answer, but it was interesting to see how different

37:09

places approached.

37:11

Him and the thirty years just to kind

37:13

of underline it thirty years after, like

37:16

you know, the frustration for many people. So he got

37:18

away with it, but like also to know a little

37:20

more like who oj was. He was such a gregarious,

37:23

outgoing personality that everyone loved.

37:25

He was, you know, maybe the first black

37:28

athlete in this country who was kind of accepted

37:30

in like corporate America. Madison Avenue. For

37:32

him to live in this like purgatory for the last thirty

37:35

years and be seen by many as a villain and a ghoul.

37:38

He would he ran away from the civil judgment,

37:40

ended up going to Vegas to escape

37:42

that in Florida escape having to pay the Goldman

37:45

and Brown families. But he kind of

37:48

led the rest of his life as a you

37:50

know, kind of a grotesque curiosity

37:52

to people. And while I don't

37:54

think that's true justice, I think that for

37:56

him, that probably was a pretty terrible way

37:58

to end the rest of his days. So Oj Simpson,

38:01

seventy six years old, let's

38:04

take a break, right,

38:11

Welcome back. So, yes, the draft

38:13

is coming up in a week and a half and we're

38:16

trying to give you every angle on this

38:18

thing. We're going to have more experts

38:21

in the field a little later in the week, but from

38:24

our vantage point, let's talk about some guys

38:27

as we're doing the research that

38:29

we're fascinated by.

38:30

That's how I think that's powerful. In fact, this segment

38:33

is called.

38:38

I Love Them Fascinating Players of the twenty

38:40

twenty four NFL Draft, and that is the

38:43

voice of Mark Sessler. He was referring

38:45

to wide receiver Lad McConkey,

38:48

but that's not where Mark is going here.

38:50

So let's start it out with the sess

38:52

doog. Who's got you fascinated?

38:54

I wanted to go defense because we've focused on a

38:57

lot of qbs in the top ten picks

38:59

here, and there's probab building like one defensive guy in there,

39:01

and a bunch of wide receivers. I

39:03

started to look at edge rushers and Florida

39:07

State's Jared Verse six

39:09

foot four, two hundred and fifty four

39:11

pounds, he just looks like an

39:13

old school football.

39:14

Say that again. I'm writing the six y four no

39:17

No. His name Jared Verse, Jared

39:19

v E R s E. I love him, Senior.

39:22

This guy just why.

39:24

There's one clip that I'll like I

39:26

will send out at some point where he

39:29

bull rushes like a three hundred and twenty

39:31

pound left tackle when

39:33

they were playing Louisville and like basically

39:36

like takes this guy and throws him like

39:38

a child back and back on his feet

39:41

and finds a way to shove the three hundred and twenty

39:43

pound left tackle into the quarterback,

39:45

grabs both of them, throws him to the ground.

39:48

And he's doing this all the time.

39:49

I know that he's not looked at the number one

39:52

as the number one edge guy right now, But I think

39:54

he's a total punisher. He is just

39:56

intensity, he's got speed, he gets around

39:59

tackles that with these traits, Like

40:02

there's moments when he's sacking like a

40:04

quarterback. Sometimes you see guys that need to use

40:06

if they're smaller, they're a quarnerback, they need us their body

40:08

at full force. He's able to use his hands

40:11

just to drag guys to the ground. And

40:13

I think that you look at like quarterbacks

40:15

over and over on some of these clips, he's coming

40:17

from the blind side and he destroys them

40:20

and the ball is separated from them. They're thrown

40:22

to earth, and I think it changes

40:24

the game. And I think that he could go right

40:26

away become one of the more terrifying

40:28

guys at the position if he can stay

40:30

healthy and pick up from him.

40:32

He is ranked fourteenth in the Daniel

40:35

Jeremiah most recent

40:37

NFL Draft prospect.

40:38

And the second best edge rusher, right behind

40:40

Dallas Turner. A lot of people have them one and two.

40:43

I think that depends what teams how they would

40:45

want to use them, because I watched a little

40:47

Turner, but Jared versus just more of my type.

40:49

Of play, and I think that.

40:51

It's going to be very interesting how this first round

40:54

plays out because all of the top

40:57

ten really is going to be dominated by offensive

41:00

players. So when does that defensive run start.

41:02

Who's the first team to take a defensive player? We

41:05

will see if Verse now the Falcons

41:08

as an example, Yeah, they have not

41:10

had a premium edge rusher of

41:12

notes since Johnbraham,

41:17

So maybe he he fits that in Mold, but there

41:19

are many teams, In fact, most teams looking for

41:21

a big time edge.

41:21

Rusher, and Verse might fit the book.

41:23

Yeah, he seems like a complicated one

41:26

because he's he wins by his strength

41:28

and mine's connected.

41:29

So I'm gonna just transition to it. I love

41:31

Liatu latu damn. Probably

41:34

like you know what, sorry.

41:37

Content Census Sports might be the third

41:39

defensive end or third edge guy, which

41:41

seems a little shocking to meet Verse.

41:43

He's exciting.

41:44

He's actually the type of guy I usually like, which it's like it's

41:46

all about strength, but it's a little

41:48

worries So when it's when you're two hundred and fifty pounds

41:51

and you're all about strength, like, is that kinna work?

41:53

Like? Maybe not?

41:54

As Like he's also twenty three years old, so's

41:56

a lot to but lotsu story is just so crazy

41:58

that he literally really could have played in

42:00

the Premiership for professional rugby, thought

42:03

about it that he was that good, decided

42:06

not to do it. Probably

42:08

is getting taken so late because he had

42:11

to medically retire for a year because

42:13

of a neck injury that knocked him out, So he was

42:15

out of football for two entire

42:17

years. And so I get it that maybe you're not going to go

42:19

in the top five or the top ten

42:22

because of the medical issues.

42:24

But when you just watch him, he just

42:26

seems like he's the best defensive player in the

42:28

draft. It seems insane to me, Like the

42:30

types of moves that he

42:33

has is like, and he's twenty three years old, so's first,

42:35

they're both a little older in terms of prospects, so you

42:37

want him to be a little more refined

42:40

or whatever. But it's just like a walking

42:43

pass rush like led the college football

42:45

in pass rush win rate, like does everything.

42:48

He just looks like to me, like a TJ.

42:50

Watt, Maybe not as explosive, but just like that he

42:52

would step in there and I'm almost surprised, But who

42:55

am.

42:55

I Like, Yeah, I look at

42:57

Greg Roosendal. Damn it, I get it, But I look at

43:00

like the beast.

43:01

Dane Brugler is great on the athletic and he has him third

43:03

and he has him as a below verse as like

43:05

a late first or to a seven typeic.

43:07

So maybe I'm totally off base, but I look at

43:09

him, it's like, that's the guy I freaking want. He looks incredible

43:13

to me. And it's just the injury thing, which you

43:15

know you're gonna be worried about. But he was on a recruiting

43:18

staff in Washington where it was him the

43:22

top three recruits was Pukinakua, Trent

43:25

McDuffie and him. It's like, okay, they went

43:27

two for two. I feel like it's gonna be three for three.

43:29

But he might end up being the third guy.

43:31

And taken after the way that he passed Rushes,

43:33

like, it's not just speed, it's so

43:36

much skill that he has. And at

43:38

his size, what he's six ' five

43:40

to sixty five, he moves like

43:43

such a smaller player, almost

43:45

like a like a wide receiver kind of

43:47

does. And yeah, he won

43:50

two rugby national championships.

43:52

I actually talked to him when he was on

43:54

Great.

43:55

You mentioned him on this show. I think once, yeah,

43:58

he took him for was it on?

44:00

I would not either, Yeah,

44:04

it would have been How would I have

44:06

Notell Nuggets?

44:07

I watch every Colleen episode, so I.

44:09

Knew obviously, Oh yeah, yeah.

44:12

Butthing what else happened on that episode? Laughs

44:15

were had and analysis was a plenty.

44:18

That's that's a great descriptor that's

44:21

good.

44:22

But yeah, the fact that he was told

44:24

he would never play football again after

44:26

suffering that neck injury at Washington

44:29

and then he was cleared by u c l

44:31

A won Pac twelve Defensive Player

44:33

of the Year last season.

44:35

He's sixteenth on Daniel.

44:36

Jeremiah's big board, like he

44:39

is a Bob Marley fan, So there's no character concerns

44:42

there.

44:42

Well, it might be other concerns, not for

44:44

me if I'm the GM.

44:47

There was a little sprinkling

44:50

of like, is is this a little

44:52

sprinkling out there of like.

44:56

Not that?

44:56

How much is this guy of football? I was like, how much more do you want

44:58

him to love football?

45:00

He literally was told like he shouldn't

45:02

ever play again because of a neck injury,

45:04

and he decides to pass up pro rugby

45:06

too. It's like that's the ultimate you love football. True,

45:10

don't love the neck. Don't love a neck injury.

45:12

That's concerning, But he didn't way two years.

45:14

Yeah, no injuries and he's been medically cleared.

45:17

And I'll use an example.

45:18

You could there are many examples in the

45:21

past with players that come out of college

45:23

with injury question marks and it

45:25

leads to them fall a little bit down the board, and then

45:27

you go and you grab them and you might end up with

45:30

Rob Gronkowski in a good case,

45:32

or you could end up with I don't know, d Milner

45:34

in a bad case.

45:35

You just it's a bit of a gamble that you

45:38

take.

45:38

And he would count, I would think as a gamble there,

45:40

but certainly has a skill set and

45:42

the desire right.

45:45

Polynesian Football Player of the Year. I like

45:47

those dude. Those guys are built tough, all

45:50

Asians. They almost it's

45:52

fun to men too when men

45:54

were men. Whatever happened to Gary Cooper?

45:57

But check out Polynesia that's

45:59

been directed when it was in Hawaii, happened

46:01

to have stayed at a house that was

46:03

less than a mile away from the Polynesian.

46:05

Football Hall of Fame. No way, it just it

46:07

felt like, you.

46:08

Know, so, I'm all about ball so you

46:10

went like this said, such an easy hop, skip and a jump

46:12

to go visit it.

46:13

I sort of did. I did,

46:15

actually, but not on purpose. On

46:17

some level.

46:18

We went and there was just like a variety of stores

46:20

and shaved ice and some food in the same

46:23

complex that it was a put since we were there. Yeah, took

46:25

a spin through the rock. Inductee

46:29

of the twenty twenty. You gotta put in Johnson, Gotta

46:31

put in Johnson.

46:32

You see baiscahamma in there probably

46:35

was I'm to put gotta put him in. Yeah,

46:37

all right, Conda Europe right there? Uh,

46:40

Terry On Arnold, I

46:42

love I'd wait it out.

46:44

Or maybe he was just like the their player of the year.

46:46

I I don't even remember. I'm just kidding Dolphins

46:48

fans, Jesus, all.

46:49

Right, this guy's not going in the Polynesian Hall

46:51

of Fame. Terry On Arnold love him cornerback

46:54

front. I love Alabama. He

46:57

he's really good, really talented.

46:59

I'd just say one second, damn it, we want to interrupt

47:01

it is It is a char to speak

47:04

on this show, But can I just say, Mark, the reason

47:06

one of the reasons I love you is I don't

47:08

know too many people that.

47:10

Can I hear that again. You can interrupt all you

47:12

want if you're going on this road. Yeah, let's hear it.

47:15

I love him that that's that that

47:18

tone, I sound like a child, you

47:20

sound like someone that's that's a sensitive

47:23

that's coming from a real place.

47:25

Well it was, it was after a moment

47:27

of trying to passion. You kind of were like, in

47:29

a playful way, ribbing me because of he's

47:32

not Polynesian either.

47:33

No, well he got Zack Xenter All Star.

47:35

Yeah and yeah, yeah,

47:39

yeah, yeah, we're good. We're

47:41

all good now you

47:43

sure we got it all out?

47:44

Okay, good.

47:45

So let me tell you about Terry on Arnold.

47:47

I apologize. I love him. God,

47:50

I'm done leave it.

47:52

So I would say Arian Arnold

47:54

has the absolute best personality in the entire

47:56

draft, and I will die

47:58

on that hill, like I don't even it's close.

48:01

He is to me a total showman,

48:03

but he doesn't try. He is unintentionally

48:06

so funny. And then on top

48:08

of it, he has almost Dion vibes,

48:11

like he's really good, and he

48:13

has this like confidence that doesn't

48:15

come off as like rubbing you the wrong way

48:18

either. It's like a very special charismatic

48:20

way he has about him and I've listened

48:23

to so many interviews with him. We

48:25

also had him on Good Morning Football and

48:27

he I wish that we could have talked to him

48:29

for all three hours because he was just such

48:31

a fun hang like, he was really

48:34

really cool. He's been rising up draft boards

48:36

and honestly common man rankings too, right,

48:39

because he spent summers working with his granddad

48:41

at a roofing company all over North

48:44

Florida's you're talking about like Florida

48:46

in the summer. He said that he learned discipline,

48:48

structure, consistency, persistence, and

48:50

that he didn't want to be a roofer, so he

48:53

was like, I am all in on football.

48:56

He is also like just really easy.

48:58

Second place in terms of workplace

49:00

fatalities as a preferred danger.

49:05

Survived.

49:06

Yeah, and you know what, that just goes to show

49:08

you that he's someone who will

49:11

take risks and he is responsible and

49:13

he has maybe faced some adversity and gotten

49:16

through it.

49:17

But he's also super easy to root

49:19

for.

49:20

Max Preps put out this tweet

49:23

that he went back to his high school to give

49:25

his janitor this Christmas gift, which

49:27

was his jersey because his janitor had asked

49:30

him when he was in high school to give him his jersey,

49:32

and he thought that like the janitor maybe forgot, So he

49:34

went back and visited the school, visited

49:36

his janitor, brought some gifts for

49:38

him for Christmas. Like he seems

49:41

like a really great, good, fun, genuine

49:43

guy. He comes from a good, big family,

49:46

he said, taught him to kind of like never be late

49:48

because if you're late, then like you got

49:50

your last pick in terms of like the resources

49:52

and dinner and.

49:53

Seats and like whatever else house.

49:56

I know exactly.

49:57

I was actually thinking about Wes when he was talking about

49:59

it.

49:59

Although wrestling mother would just toss

50:01

the steak down the steps, right.

50:03

Down the basement. Yeah, yeah, I don't think that.

50:05

Tied to a brick here to a

50:07

brick Africa. Well, I'm freeg

50:09

by this person. We should get them, get them on the show.

50:12

You should, Oh my gosh, you guys would love them.

50:14

Will Will either be the first or likely

50:16

the second cornerback, taking either him

50:19

or Bunya and Mitchell from Leo

50:21

ran a little bit of a slow forty I

50:23

think had yeah, but I

50:26

think he seems concerned a little bit those

50:28

Alabama guys, though not to paint with a brad brush.

50:30

They just seem like they come out as like pros.

50:34

Mm hmm. Well they're like they'll come in as pros

50:37

and like, yeah, very realized.

50:39

I agree with that.

50:40

I think I'll you watch his tapes stealing

50:42

with like LSU have the time in like real schools.

50:44

Like he's he played top competition

50:47

and like he had what seventeen passes defense

50:49

like five picks, Like he's a rugged dude.

50:51

He doesn't miss tackles. Anybody been

50:53

up on a roof lately? But see

50:55

truck drivers, Greg, I think there's a lot of

50:57

face.

50:58

I was wrong as they fall asleep, Like if you all

51:00

asleep on a roof, that's not just inherently dangerous.

51:02

Time logging dogging workers is

51:04

actually already even higher

51:08

roofers Number two been

51:10

up on.

51:10

A roof lately?

51:12

No, not lately, Oh

51:14

yeah about once

51:16

every six months or so every year around Chris,

51:18

the gutters, what are you doing? Not a gutter's issue

51:21

because we don't have a tree above the property. But I

51:23

do have Christmas lights I

51:26

put up. I also I had to go

51:28

up there to put the uh you have to

51:30

put the it's like a cage you put on top

51:32

of the chimney. Yeah, And if you want

51:34

to get an idea of your how fragile

51:36

your mortality is, get up on the roof and

51:39

you realize immediately I

51:41

have like a twenty percent chance to die right now.

51:43

This is how it's gonna happen coast when you'd have to go shovel

51:46

snow off your What am I doing up here? This

51:48

is extremely dangerous. Happened

51:53

to Gary.

51:53

Maybe Clemson will send you a second football for

51:55

this handiwork that you're that you've

51:58

successfully pulled off.

51:59

Now what's on the radar?

52:00

And I was in high school. The

52:02

room that I had in the house that I grew up

52:04

in had like it was in the back of the house.

52:07

It was the only one and there was like a little bit of roof

52:09

and there.

52:10

Was a fence all to the side. It

52:12

was the escape patch.

52:14

And it was also like a meeting spot, so like people

52:17

like it was like people would come and visit me at the window,

52:21

hair knocking on my window.

52:23

Yeah, is

52:26

that how the boy that was holding onto your

52:29

car as you drove away?

52:30

No, that was college.

52:33

I have one.

52:34

But here listen, you don't want to hear from me you

52:37

want to hear from someone who

52:42

watch and loves it.

52:44

He lives and breathes it.

52:46

Caved, He's a little bit, he's

52:49

a wild card, but

52:51

he will give you information that is sometimes

52:54

just spot on. So I put

52:56

a call out to the west side of Cincinnati and track

52:58

down Brad Spice, known.

53:02

As the spice Rack pepper Mill

53:04

out there. He's not gonna be happy with

53:06

that, a spiceler

53:09

Spicer, but you've

53:11

given him a nickna. Potentially he gets it. Spice

53:14

Rack. Let's hear from the

53:16

great Brad Spicer.

53:19

Hey there, everybody. Dan Hansen

53:21

wants me to introduce myself

53:24

as if you don't already know Son, it's

53:27

the.

53:27

Spice Rack.

53:30

Off the Mount Patty

53:32

video is a choice, all right, Zeus

53:35

wants.

53:35

Me to give you three

53:37

videos, three names, but you know what I'm

53:39

coming with, seven

53:42

names, deal with it. My first guy's Quinon

53:44

Mitchell. Never heard of him quite

53:47

honestly before two months ago.

53:49

But he's a.

53:50

First round corner, like a mid first

53:52

rounder, a corner from

53:55

the Mid American conference.

53:58

The one thing I did was I looked up to see if

54:00

he's like sixty.

54:01

Four or something, and he's a project. Then it's okay,

54:03

maybe he could bust, but he's six foot. I

54:06

saw that he has long arms, but six foot

54:08

one ninety, he's not a physical specimen

54:11

the Saint Sauce gardener. But

54:14

if you if you're gonna go mid first is a corner

54:17

from the Mid American Conference.

54:20

You got my vote.

54:21

I know.

54:23

You're gonna have a serious chip on your shoulder.

54:26

Once a walk on, always walk on.

54:28

You know, Baker Mayfield walked on at

54:31

Texas Tech and Oklahoma, and

54:34

uh, while not the best quarterback,

54:38

certainly someone you can go to war with.

54:40

There's seven of these.

54:41

I don't know. I don't know if this one went too long, don't

54:44

edit me.

54:47

That ends strong, except for the

54:49

forty five second detour to Baker,

54:51

which sort of seemed to disprove his

54:53

point.

54:54

Toledo cornerback Quinion Mitchell from

54:57

I call this spice channel. By the way, this is

54:59

a that's good. Yeah, so we just threw it

55:01

to spice channel. It's a ring to it, which

55:04

you know, if you know, you know one

55:06

of those things.

55:07

I'm with Spicy on the logic though, to

55:09

be to be that small and from

55:11

Toledo, and he I think he's going to be the first

55:13

cornerback I think he's likely to be.

55:16

You have to be an incredible, incredible

55:18

player. Let's take

55:20

a break and we'll go through another round.

55:28

Welcome back to draft Corner.

55:31

Very nice, good really on

55:33

the spots.

55:33

You're a broadcaster, That's what it is. All

55:35

right, let's go around the horn again. We've

55:38

heard from everyone in the

55:40

room. I deferred to Spice Rack,

55:42

who I thought it was a pretty good start. Great start,

55:44

Yeah, great start. The Spice channel is

55:46

up and running here on atn Mark. Let's

55:49

hear somebody else.

55:50

Here is someone that I know someone else in the room

55:52

has a fascination with two in Greg Cooper

55:55

Dejan cornerback from Iowa.

55:57

I love him.

55:58

This dude is interesting, Like I'm

56:01

not sure where he'll go. I'm thinking kind of like something.

56:03

I think the Colts are a good target in the

56:06

mid mid first round.

56:07

Is that a Is that a little Mark Sessler

56:09

mock draftees right there? It might be coming

56:11

up next week. It might be he is.

56:14

I just think he is like an incredible

56:16

athlete that does all sorts of stuff in today's

56:19

NFL.

56:20

He also offers incredible return skills.

56:22

But I just want to read this.

56:24

Nick Bonggardner from The Athletic went

56:27

and kind of did a feature on this guy, and I

56:29

just want to read the opening paragraph.

56:30

I'd love to hear.

56:31

This pulled me in in

56:33

western Iowa along State Highway one

56:35

seventy five sits a town of about nine

56:38

hundred people. There's a bowling alley and a

56:40

drive in restaurant. Ode

56:42

Bolt, Iowa, is named after a Frenchman

56:44

who lived alone more than

56:46

one hundred years ago along the creek that runs through

56:48

the village. It once was known but apparently

56:51

no longer holds the crown as the popcorn

56:53

center of the world. It's about seventy miles

56:55

away from both the Missouri River and absolutely

56:58

nothing. It's also home to a unique prospect

57:00

in the twenty twenty four NFL Draft, Iowa

57:03

defensive back Cooper Degene. If

57:06

you watch this guy, I just would believe this is kind

57:08

of like I just want on my team. If it's

57:10

like I know this, the Steelers

57:12

want to go get Conky of cornerbacks, but the.

57:14

Steelers gonna get him or the Ravens or something. But he

57:17

is.

57:17

He is so fun to watch and I get

57:19

it, like cornerbacks are just thorough coming to like different

57:21

shapes and sizes. But I don't know if he's

57:24

if he's necessarily like big enough, strong

57:26

enough, or has the movement skills in some

57:28

ways, like the lateral movement to do what he needs

57:30

to do. But I see evidence of a guy who

57:33

can contribute in a lot of different ways.

57:34

I think he does, and I think, uh,

57:37

you gotta look yourself in the mirror. But I think people will

57:39

immediately be like, Oh, is he gonna move to safety?

57:42

He played nickel. It's like this guy was one

57:44

of the most explosive playmaking cornerbacks

57:46

in college football for for years. In

57:49

the first your first instincts, though, maybe move

57:51

him to safety. Look at the mirror, bro a little profile,

57:53

a little profilely going on with Cooper

57:55

Dizinees.

57:56

You know what I'm saying.

57:57

I listen to one little thing to John every time

57:59

I see his name, I.

58:00

Know one little thing like this is

58:02

the kind of athlete is like He scored over

58:04

eighteen hundred points in basketball in high school

58:08

through seventy eight touchdowns as a quarterback, won

58:10

a state title in track in the one

58:12

hundred meters dash, and in baseball

58:14

was a.

58:15

Pitcher who had like a two hitters a year. He

58:19

never stopped playing sports.

58:20

Reminds me a little of Kyle Hamilton.

58:22

I feel like there's some guys in every draft. It's like that every

58:24

that the that the NL overthinks

58:29

like that everyone agrees on is great and

58:31

then for some reason goes for Aaron Donald

58:33

was kind of one of those guys.

58:35

Yeah, this is crazy. I didn't everybody

58:38

knows. You don't see a lot of white quarterbacks in the league. Not

58:40

since Jason Seahorn, who retired in two thousand

58:43

and three, has there been a white quarterback

58:45

who consistently

58:48

played the position.

58:49

And could he be a first rounder? Is he?

58:51

Yes? I think they're sea Horn was the second

58:53

rounder, so that profile would

58:55

indicate he'd be a

58:58

very high pick. And I think you will. He'll be around

59:00

her, but you know he's getting him out.

59:02

The appults over and over Cooper dejene

59:05

Iowa cornerback Gregy.

59:07

Okay, it's a tough choice. Powers

59:10

seems like one of those guys everyone's overthinking too. I feel

59:12

like we're gonna hit Drake May so hard, and I love Drake

59:14

May and so in terms of just having

59:16

that feeling that Mark has about that's

59:20

me and Drake that the Patriots. But for this

59:22

assignment, I think Michael Pennox is a better

59:24

choice because he's just I love

59:26

him, fascinating prospect,

59:29

like a guy who was, you know, in college forever

59:31

like six years. I mean, it's a little outrageous

59:34

how long he was in college. So I get that he's older

59:36

than everyone, but incredibly

59:39

consistent and the type of guy that I

59:41

feel like, if it was two

59:44

thousand and five, would

59:46

maybe be the first or the second quarterback.

59:48

And we're just like looking for different things now, like

59:51

just throwing the ball, and I know he's

59:53

built very different and.

59:54

There's a million things that are different.

59:55

It almost reminds me of like Carson Palmer when he came

59:57

out and just people were just like, my god, look

59:59

at that and throw a football like this man

1:00:01

was born to throw a football.

1:00:02

And that's Michael Pennix, except he's a lefty.

1:00:05

And I was expecting, because of all the knocks on

1:00:07

him and why he's not gonna necessarily go in the

1:00:09

first round or everything, that he'd be a total

1:00:11

stiff.

1:00:12

But he's not. Like he can move.

1:00:13

He can make throws on the run, and I do think all

1:00:17

the negatives that he has, Like

1:00:20

you saw him in the college

1:00:22

football semi final dispel all

1:00:24

that and people can say, well, that was one game, but

1:00:26

it's like, if you can do that in one game and

1:00:29

you have NFL training and we you know

1:00:32

you have that potential. It's the kind of how people

1:00:34

overthought c J. Stroud last year, saying like he doesn't

1:00:36

do enough playmaking. He's like you saw in that one game. I'm

1:00:38

not saying he's c J.

1:00:39

Stroud.

1:00:40

I just think like leadership, mental

1:00:42

toughness, all the intangibles are supposedly

1:00:44

off the charts, and he's a guy

1:00:46

who just I think if you asked all thirty two gms,

1:00:49

just like in the pocket, who throws

1:00:51

the craziest ball down the field, the

1:00:53

furthest the prettiest,

1:00:56

It's Michael Pennix. And so to me, I'm just curious,

1:00:58

like what kind of career he's gonna have because he just

1:01:00

feels like he's he's boom or bust. But

1:01:02

if he ends up on a team like the Raiders, he could be playing

1:01:04

right right away. And he just seems like a fascinating

1:01:07

guy. And maybe they're seeing things that I don't

1:01:09

see. And I know he's a little erratic with the accuracy

1:01:11

here and there, but for the most part, like seems

1:01:13

like he's got what you would want.

1:01:15

He fits the Raiders, and I just don't care

1:01:17

if he's like a year older than someone else,

1:01:19

like if he's good for five years, like the Raiders

1:01:21

have been waiting for that for an eon and plus.

1:01:24

So what's like, It's that I don't I

1:01:26

know that we make so much such a big deal out of that.

1:01:28

And there's that advantage because

1:01:30

it's is it the last COVID year where

1:01:32

you got that extra year that you could just stay because he's

1:01:34

surprised people. He could have come out last year. He'd already

1:01:36

played five years and he decided to come back.

1:01:38

So we talked about injuries. Yeah,

1:01:41

his injuries. It's so he he

1:01:43

had four season.

1:01:45

Ending injuries at Indiana, four before

1:01:48

he transferred to Washington.

1:01:50

So let me listen the

1:01:54

games.

1:01:54

You go up a level and the guys get bigger and faster, and

1:01:56

you you get older, and he's not Brandon weed

1:01:59

and old. But he turns twenty four next month,

1:02:01

So that would be that would spook me, honestly

1:02:03

more than anything else like that. That's that's a real

1:02:05

concern of this durability at that position.

1:02:07

I'm just saying, in a world where Mac Jones went fifteenth,

1:02:10

like what this guy isn't gonna go top fifteen.

1:02:11

Go watch him with Romans INSI because like the

1:02:13

two of them we talked about this on the Wide Receiver episode

1:02:16

that like it just seemed like Rome's

1:02:18

tape is like there's like four hundred and forty yard

1:02:21

catches paired with Pennix, Like he can wing

1:02:23

it downfield.

1:02:24

Yeah, he profiles a little bit as a guy that

1:02:26

you guys will get annoyed of me overrating

1:02:28

because because he's so good at throwing the ball and that he

1:02:30

actually settles into like a mid

1:02:32

level starting quarterback that is up and down.

1:02:34

But like that's that's still good.

1:02:36

I mean, he's going to be a twenty five year old rookie, so

1:02:39

he's going to be a little bit older.

1:02:41

But I have twenty four. You have twenty five.

1:02:44

I think his birthday. Check

1:02:46

to see when his birthday is.

1:02:47

I think he's turning twenty four. Dan

1:02:49

almost a graveyard if you just okay,

1:02:52

so I'm aging grade. No, he turns twenty

1:02:54

four next month.

1:02:54

Okay, So twenty four year old rookie.

1:02:57

But I was talking to Lancerline

1:02:59

about him, and he

1:03:01

was talking about how when he watches

1:03:04

his tape, he just he doesn't take

1:03:06

sacks, he'll get rid of the ball. He's not really

1:03:09

great like moving around the pocket. So

1:03:11

those are just some of like the flags

1:03:13

that he sees. But he's got a

1:03:16

really strong arm, and he's

1:03:18

really he's tough. He sounds fun and

1:03:20

he's a good leader too. Apparently he's

1:03:23

got a howitzer. Some people say, I

1:03:25

actually haven't heard that. I assume at some point

1:03:27

someone.

1:03:28

He quoted Gino Smith on the podium

1:03:30

after winning the pack that championship, which to

1:03:32

me me.

1:03:33

Greg, you had done it. You've done it.

1:03:34

You'd convinced us with a really delightful

1:03:36

sales job, and now you're taking it to very still places.

1:03:39

And like Gino, he was thought widely

1:03:41

thought to be a first round pick. Some

1:03:44

people can go into the second round

1:03:46

as well. So interesting, Connie,

1:03:49

how about another one?

1:03:50

All right?

1:03:50

Well, I wasn't initially going to go here because

1:03:52

I feel like all we've done is talk about

1:03:54

this guy. But legitimately this comes

1:03:57

from a place of total fascination.

1:03:59

I I really really

1:04:01

am curious how Caleb Williams is going

1:04:04

to be in the NFL coming in with

1:04:06

the nil money, because we haven't really seen

1:04:09

this before. We haven't seen someone

1:04:11

make the amount of money that he has before

1:04:14

heading into the league, going into a locker room

1:04:17

of veteran players who a

1:04:19

lot of which have not even made close

1:04:21

to what Caleb Williams has made. I

1:04:24

just don't know how

1:04:27

it will work and if some of those

1:04:29

egos will kind of be

1:04:31

an issue when he does play in the

1:04:33

NFL, like if they're not winning

1:04:36

right away, I don't know how a

1:04:38

locker room of like older veterans is going

1:04:40

to take someone like Caleb

1:04:42

Williams.

1:04:43

And it's not this isn't Caleb's.

1:04:45

Fault at all.

1:04:45

It's just the way that the league has changed

1:04:47

now with nil money in general, and this is going

1:04:49

to be how it is going

1:04:52

forward in general, with these drafts

1:04:54

and with the players coming out of college. It's just a

1:04:56

switch and a change, and I just wonder

1:04:59

how that transition will be because

1:05:01

it's going to be so so different, and with

1:05:03

his personality as well, like he's

1:05:05

a very gregarious, like very

1:05:08

confident type of guy.

1:05:09

You want that in your quarterback.

1:05:11

But I just wonder if it will

1:05:14

rub some players the wrong way, and then how that

1:05:16

how that will kind of play out.

1:05:18

If he can ball, I don't think any.

1:05:19

Of it matters exactly if he wins, no

1:05:21

problem.

1:05:22

That what you're saying, it's it's true, reminds

1:05:24

me a little bit of like they used to

1:05:26

get these fifty million dollar contracts as number one

1:05:28

overall draftics and it was awkward. It's like Sam

1:05:30

Bradford was making way more money than anyone

1:05:32

else on his team, and well that was ridiculous. Yeah

1:05:35

it was, and it was crazy. But he it

1:05:37

took me a while to actually, you know, sit down and you know watch

1:05:39

it. Hellbows, it's like you

1:05:42

get it. And he's to me like

1:05:44

he can. I love him, not just every throw,

1:05:47

but just like he knows exactly what throw to make

1:05:49

at any time. I mean, he seems like the

1:05:51

best prospects and Andrew Lock, like he is so

1:05:53

good. It's just outrageous how how

1:05:56

good he was in a tough spot too last year. That

1:05:58

like, if he's

1:06:00

like that, it's like Andrew Luck, like, I think you can have a million

1:06:02

different leadership styles.

1:06:03

If you're that good, it doesn't matter.

1:06:07

Very fascinating, Yeah, You just don't know. You

1:06:09

don't know how these guys are

1:06:11

going to be till they actually play. And look at how

1:06:14

the first pick went in the draft last year. Not

1:06:16

to write any eulogies, but

1:06:19

and then you look at the second second pick, how

1:06:22

that went.

1:06:23

This feels as camp miss is as

1:06:26

possible. All right, it

1:06:28

is time. Now coast is clear. Let's

1:06:31

flip on the old Spice.

1:06:33

Show spice rack here for round

1:06:35

two, and I'm gonna stick

1:06:38

with the chip on the shoulder

1:06:40

theme and talk about Jared

1:06:42

Verse from Florida stated,

1:06:45

this guy is how about that transferred

1:06:47

in from Albany to Florida State, And

1:06:49

okay, that's a big enough jump, But then he dominated

1:06:53

and you know, I

1:06:55

couldn't even tell you how he what he technically

1:06:58

does against.

1:06:58

The ron right, I don't know any of this stuff, but

1:07:01

don't need it.

1:07:01

Uh, he's got the big enough body, a big

1:07:04

enough body to support the run and

1:07:07

certainly can get after the passer. And again

1:07:09

transfer from Albany. You carry that chip on

1:07:11

your should of the rest of your life. It doesn't matter if you're the you

1:07:13

know you're a first round pack, it does not matter at

1:07:15

all. And on the same team

1:07:18

at Florida State. Uh Keon

1:07:21

Coleman. Every time I check a mock draft,

1:07:24

a wide receiver, big and athletic,

1:07:26

all that stuff, natural touchdown scorer.

1:07:30

Every time I focus.

1:07:35

See a new mock draft, he's he's.

1:07:37

Been dropped to fortieth, fiftieth,

1:07:39

sixty, I'm a third round or what are we

1:07:41

talking about here?

1:07:43

I really don't know what the issue is.

1:07:45

If his forty's not that great, that's fine

1:07:48

because you need to watch him once to see how

1:07:50

athletic he is, can tort his body

1:07:52

and all these you know, sort of a he's

1:07:55

he's got some Mike Evans to his game, you

1:07:57

know, not as big a

1:07:59

physical and listen, Mike Kevin's

1:08:01

best underrated player this entire generation.

1:08:04

So is

1:08:07

that silly?

1:08:08

Okay?

1:08:08

I don't know we'll catch touchdowns

1:08:11

in the NFL?

1:08:12

Hands is?

1:08:12

How long was that video?

1:08:14

A spice rack was a little too long, But I

1:08:19

want to know.

1:08:19

I think everybody wants to know. I thought the video lengthg is okay,

1:08:21

But you kept looking behind you and we're just is

1:08:24

he on the run someone?

1:08:26

Well?

1:08:26

You said you you let him know relatively

1:08:29

last minute about this, and he needed a little

1:08:31

extra time and the production value is great.

1:08:33

He's wearing an Ohio State jersey. Not for that's

1:08:35

sure who it is, but he's on a football He seems

1:08:37

like he's on a football field. And then yes,

1:08:40

he's looking behind him as if there's maybe a team

1:08:42

that wants to use the fielder.

1:08:43

So that was the delay.

1:08:44

He drove two hours to a football field to do

1:08:46

these videos. Yes, he's wearing a Bengals

1:08:49

nit cap. You can check this out on YouTube if you've always

1:08:51

wondered what the Spice rack looks like. But

1:08:54

I hope, I hope there's no one following him.

1:08:57

I just say this because we spent the latter

1:08:59

h off of last season combining on our

1:09:02

weekly picks for NFL Media.

1:09:04

The Sessin Spice team went roughly like seventy

1:09:06

eight and iconic. Yeah, I think it was like seventy eight and six

1:09:09

was our record on the stretch.

1:09:10

Hed you guys didn't finish even in the top five

1:09:12

out of a top.

1:09:12

It got bad enough and I reached out internally

1:09:14

to see, like, are these guys in last place?

1:09:16

And the guy that runs it behind the scenes, I can't

1:09:19

give you that info.

1:09:19

And I was like, ooh, that well, because that would have been incorrect because,

1:09:21

like I was also told by text on a

1:09:24

weekly basis, like these are the most entertaining. This is like

1:09:26

kind of the the core entertainment aspect

1:09:28

of these picks that come out is like what

1:09:30

you guys are cooking up? But listen, like so Jared

1:09:33

verse, like we're we're in lockstep right there, and that's

1:09:36

great. Spice Rack has a pretty pristine

1:09:38

record when it comes to the prospects.

1:09:39

And is an interesting

1:09:42

guy that, like people thought

1:09:44

in October was gonna be like a top fifteen pick,

1:09:47

And yes, it has kind of become the trendy thing that like,

1:09:49

eh, is this guy?

1:09:50

Is he really athletic enough? Can he

1:09:52

be?

1:09:52

Like are you gonna have to put him in the slot because he's just like this

1:09:55

big guy who can't win on the outside.

1:09:57

And some of those guys haven't done well in recent

1:09:59

years.

1:09:59

But then again, like DK Metcalf and A. J. Brown

1:10:02

fell to the.

1:10:02

Bottom of the second a little

1:10:05

fun for Mike Evans, what do you call him

1:10:07

the most criminally underrated player

1:10:09

of the generation? Interesting,

1:10:12

good conversation piece, good sega idea

1:10:15

there, Spice Rack, you didn't even know you did it?

1:10:17

Criminal? Yeah, underrated players.

1:10:19

That's good.

1:10:20

Let's take a break and we will

1:10:22

be back with one more round. All

1:10:25

right, we're back, Uh one more

1:10:27

time, Let's go one more time around.

1:10:29

Go on, Mark, I'm going to save my

1:10:31

running back stuff till later because I like a couple.

1:10:33

When later, because we are later in the week,

1:10:36

not today. Yeah, saying, don't bank it for later in

1:10:38

this show, because this is it, my friend.

1:10:40

No, no, this is I. I.

1:10:42

Yes, we got started late. It's certainly

1:10:44

an independent of that. It just feels like time

1:10:46

for whenever the two

1:10:48

of them are ready, I'll be happy to offer another

1:10:51

player. You just let me know when when you'd like that

1:10:53

to happen.

1:10:54

You're finally, I'll wait. I'll wait for you to tell me.

1:10:57

Okay, I'm picking someone that probably

1:10:59

doesn't go early in the draft at all.

1:11:01

Like more mid rounds and like again, it's

1:11:03

just like I don't know, you're watching.

1:11:05

One hundreds, like mid round from the Sessil

1:11:07

linebacker Notre Dame Marris

1:11:09

lea Fau and like this is because I was looking

1:11:11

at the here's how I try to dessarch players, like

1:11:14

who is like the toughest, nastiest

1:11:16

hitter in the entire draft, and this guy's name kept

1:11:18

coming up over and over, so then I went and watched

1:11:20

him, and it's another guy.

1:11:22

It's like my old brownson.

1:11:23

Like this guy's just gonna wind up on the Ravens or the

1:11:25

Steelers and he'll start as like a backup

1:11:27

rotational linebacker, but then they won't be able to keep him

1:11:29

off the field. Like I mean, he has like an

1:11:31

aura of complete and total ultra violence

1:11:34

to him. The speed, it's kind

1:11:36

of like I think the linebacker position, even

1:11:38

like when you're young, it's like who's the kid on the team

1:11:40

can like then suss out seeing through a bunch

1:11:42

of bodies where the ball is, where it's

1:11:44

going, what's happening with the play, and he has like

1:11:46

a laser beam heat seeking ability

1:11:49

to get to it.

1:11:50

He is really like his speed. He's a guy

1:11:52

that can go kind like.

1:11:53

Wire to wire across the field if like a quarterback's

1:11:55

trying to scramble out. I'll never forget when

1:11:57

Johnny Manzel in one of his in his first start against

1:11:59

the Panthers, We're watching Wesnum, We're watching it on

1:12:02

a Sunday, and Manziell this like lauded

1:12:05

speed guy out of college tried to get to the

1:12:07

edge and some Carolina Panthers defender

1:12:09

just like ran over and blew him up. And you

1:12:11

knew that Johnny Manziel was never gonna be good in the NFL.

1:12:13

He just you just knew it. And this guy can

1:12:16

do that to quarterbacks, to people on

1:12:18

the edge, like they're just something about his game and

1:12:21

he got PFF called him the hardest hitter,

1:12:23

and list has said that when he comes down hill, he

1:12:25

comes downhill with bad intentions, and that's how

1:12:27

I would label him too. He's fun to watch and he's

1:12:29

gonna it's gonna be hard to like keep him off the

1:12:31

field.

1:12:32

I think if he can stick because he's not

1:12:34

a huge guy. But he's not He's six two

1:12:36

thirty four. He's fine. I was not familiar

1:12:39

with this man.

1:12:40

I went to go check Dan Brugler at

1:12:42

the Athletic HASM as the the number

1:12:44

fifteen linebacker projected fifth to

1:12:46

sixth round. So this is a deep year, it is, but planting

1:12:49

you find the number. He has him as the number two linebacker

1:12:51

from Notre Dame.

1:12:53

I like that, but every draft you have to find

1:12:55

people like this, right, I mean, so

1:12:58

I don't know. I just like him. I want to see where he It's

1:13:00

a.

1:13:00

Hot and cold review from land Zierline on our NFL

1:13:02

dot com draft profile.

1:13:04

I don't doubt it. Like I again, I like I said

1:13:06

these seasons violence.

1:13:07

He's a mid round guy, but like the way he plays,

1:13:09

he's gonna like he's The NFL is

1:13:11

almost like scared of his playing style.

1:13:13

I think he Mark's got that soft side.

1:13:16

I love that. We heard in Duality

1:13:18

of Man the sound direct, but I

1:13:22

love him. Mark also knows violence.

1:13:24

Loves that too, Yes, loves it.

1:13:27

I'm gonna go more basic and just Rock

1:13:29

Bowers, to me, is

1:13:31

another guy that maybe everyone's overthinking. To

1:13:34

me, it's just it's fascinating that

1:13:37

like he would not go early in

1:13:39

part because he's been so good from the

1:13:42

minute he showed up. I mean, a guy who can show

1:13:44

up on the national champion team and

1:13:46

as a true freshman like dominate

1:13:48

against Alabama and lead them

1:13:50

to a national championship and put up numbers. And people are

1:13:53

like, well, you know, Kyle Pitts hasn't hasn't

1:13:55

worked out, and all these first round tight ends like

1:13:57

that hasn't worked out. Like that's just this is

1:13:59

from the same people that would say sample

1:14:02

size issues when you're talking about

1:14:04

a guy who throws ninety to one hundred packs. This is

1:14:07

like, it's just a couple of different picks.

1:14:09

In fairness, Greg, I don't think people are saying, after what happened

1:14:11

last year when we had a lot of impact tight ends,

1:14:13

come right, that's a little bit of a that narrative

1:14:16

has been put to bed a little.

1:14:17

Bit, okay, But I think they're pointing out that the

1:14:19

guys are Okay, that was in the second round. You can wait

1:14:21

and like if Sam Laporte had been a first round pick, that makes

1:14:23

them somehow better. Just anyone that can show up

1:14:26

and have three seasons where you're the number

1:14:28

one target. Lad mcconkey's great in all,

1:14:30

but like brock Bauers was their number one receiver

1:14:32

for three straight years on an elite elite

1:14:35

team and he produced like crazy

1:14:38

every single season. Like

1:14:40

why don't overthink it? Like I get

1:14:42

the whole like contract thing of like tight

1:14:44

ends, you're not saving as much money because

1:14:47

if you take them twelfth, that actually is a contract

1:14:49

that's similar to a top five to tight ten end.

1:14:51

Like that comes into equation. It's like, but if

1:14:53

you're right It doesn't freaking matter. You have

1:14:56

to get the player right. That's more important than everything.

1:14:58

And after you get pass like five,

1:15:00

six, seven players in this draft, I don't think there's a player

1:15:02

that you'd be more confident in

1:15:05

is going to be a plus player.

1:15:07

There just aren't many tight ends.

1:15:09

He reminds me of Tony Gonzalez, because hell,

1:15:11

aren't many tight ends that make you miss and

1:15:13

can you can run over them. That's that's two

1:15:16

things. You just don't see that that Like even Rob gwn Krause,

1:15:18

he can't really make you miss. Like he can make you miss and

1:15:20

he can run over you. That's pretty that's pretty special.

1:15:22

Let's go to New York Jets. If the Jets took

1:15:24

him, I think that'd be great.

1:15:26

Well to you, Like what we're just saying is like Jets

1:15:28

fans that are old enough, you're spooked

1:15:31

by it because the Jets have had bad

1:15:33

luck drafting tight ends high in their history.

1:15:35

But that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because

1:15:37

that was then, this is now.

1:15:38

He would certainly be a scheme fit for the

1:15:41

Jets at ten because if Rogers

1:15:43

can play, and if you added

1:15:45

an athletic playmaking tight end

1:15:47

to that group, look out,

1:15:49

they would be very different.

1:15:51

Kyle Pitts was a special prospect, Like Bowers had

1:15:53

more production in his freshman year than Kyle Pitts had in any

1:15:55

of his years, and then he backed it up with everyone knowing

1:15:57

it was coming like two straight more that I don't know it

1:15:59

should matter.

1:16:00

Daniel Jeremiah has him ranked number seventh overall.

1:16:03

Bowers Jeremiah says, and maybe

1:16:05

we'll talk to Daniel about this reminds

1:16:08

me a lot of George Kittle, and I see him having

1:16:10

a similar impact in the NFL.

1:16:11

Well, sign me up. Yeah, what are

1:16:14

we doing here? Let's just make it happen.

1:16:15

Connie, Okay, one more, let

1:16:17

me tell you a little bit about Rome Adoonza.

1:16:20

Okay.

1:16:21

I love him, wide receiver from

1:16:23

Washington. And I also picked

1:16:26

this because he's been mocked a ton at

1:16:28

nine to Chicago. So since I talked about

1:16:30

Caleb, these two could actually be paired together

1:16:33

if Chicago stays in that spot at nine

1:16:36

doesn't move back. But he uh

1:16:38

twenty twenty three First Team All American

1:16:40

Bolitnikoff finalist. He

1:16:43

started d end in high school before

1:16:45

switching over to wide receiver his junior

1:16:47

year. He was an incredible sprinter

1:16:50

on the track team in high school,

1:16:52

won the four A state title in the two

1:16:54

hundred and the four by one hundred. But

1:16:57

I loved when Apparently when he was six

1:17:00

years old, he created a Facebook account

1:17:02

with all of his mom's information and

1:17:04

for his occupation he listed quarterback

1:17:07

in the NFL.

1:17:08

And his mom's information the

1:17:12

sign up. Here's the email. Okay, all right, I was.

1:17:14

Thinking, we got resourceful in

1:17:16

my eyes, kind of just need the email everything

1:17:18

else, like you can just you've cleared.

1:17:20

It, right.

1:17:21

I haven't used Facebook because.

1:17:24

He created Okay, so you create the account,

1:17:26

but you do need an email account to thing,

1:17:29

so you need to go you have to travel

1:17:32

off site to activate with the link.

1:17:34

Got it?

1:17:35

Okay.

1:17:36

Rome also spent summers on his

1:17:38

grandfather's dairy farm,

1:17:41

tall No when he was younger,

1:17:43

but he would work right alongside

1:17:46

Grandpa Wayne on the farm.

1:17:48

Now he was named Rome.

1:17:50

Because apparently his dad just

1:17:52

really liked the Roman Empire.

1:17:54

That's some had its merits also

1:17:57

at strawbacks, and he.

1:17:59

Ended up definitely a thing that like guys in their

1:18:02

mid to late thirties get fascinated.

1:18:03

What is that?

1:18:04

Yeah, he watched a lot of three I

1:18:06

would say it hearkens back to like elements

1:18:09

of our society that are missing, certain

1:18:11

like.

1:18:12

Male Gary Cooper, anybody.

1:18:13

Yeah, Rome would say like, oh, it's a bit

1:18:16

of a more raw time. You're not dealing with a bunch of nonsense.

1:18:18

Nobody's afraid to go on the roof in Rome. No,

1:18:21

that's fair. Put me on the goddamn roof.

1:18:22

Let me get hit with a bone arrow, but give me a sword, give

1:18:24

me a shield, put me on a roof.

1:18:26

See, like, when I think of Rome, I'm not thinking about like

1:18:28

Roman Empire and like gladiators and

1:18:31

like fights at the coliseum.

1:18:32

I'm thinking about pizza and pasta.

1:18:35

Well they had that too, Yeah back then, quite

1:18:37

good. So rodus think

1:18:40

just think of the last lack of like toothcare

1:18:42

back then.

1:18:43

I mean to reg always does sort

1:18:45

of like, oh, you're dead by thirty two. It's like, yeah, you're.

1:18:47

Dead by thirty two, Like of your eight children

1:18:50

died by the time they were two, and you have to just like like it's

1:18:54

buried off.

1:18:54

Roma.

1:18:55

Dune Day is the number three prospect

1:18:57

according to DJ and he reminds

1:18:59

him love him, Larry Fitzgerald, come

1:19:01

out of college, give me all you got.

1:19:03

There's an incredible stat that PFF put about

1:19:05

it because like, if you watch me, it's like it's contested catches.

1:19:08

He's like, give it's nasty dirty, get dirty

1:19:10

with the number. The girl, it's football,

1:19:12

not don't take it somewhere else. Eric

1:19:14

is on fire.

1:19:16

He got seventy five percent of

1:19:18

his contested catches this past season,

1:19:21

and then when they've tracked four hundred

1:19:23

and seventy seventeen seasons, that

1:19:25

ranks six.

1:19:28

Good.

1:19:28

I want you to can you play the Greg drop and

1:19:30

then straight to the straight to the Spice channel

1:19:32

for the last time.

1:19:33

Now give it to me, get dirty, get dirty

1:19:35

with the numbers, all.

1:19:36

Right, spice track here.

1:19:39

Three zero.

1:19:43

Just list the rest of the guys in the list that

1:19:45

I like. Michael Panic's lefty quarterback

1:19:47

from Washington.

1:19:48

This one's really long, by the way, you said, so.

1:19:50

Field general, great, down

1:19:52

the field general.

1:19:55

I love it. Our agreement.

1:19:57

Give me that guy riding pearsol receiver

1:20:00

from took just a monster

1:20:04

uh in in the slot even though he played plenty

1:20:06

outside, which I think will help him.

1:20:07

Imagine we saw a guy running in the slot every

1:20:09

time.

1:20:11

This guy's gonna be from behind with a knife slot

1:20:13

receiver. I don't want to imagine that he's

1:20:15

gonna kill you for talking to him. In the Kansas is

1:20:17

a quarterback Jason Bean after

1:20:20

a year.

1:20:20

Or two was sent to Bean Doug to

1:20:23

a wide receiver, and every time

1:20:25

the quarterback got hurt, he came in and played great. And

1:20:28

uh, you know, he's almost twenty five late

1:20:30

bloomer, but he's also someone with a second

1:20:32

chance at life, basically as a

1:20:34

quarterback.

1:20:35

So uh, like the backstories, I'm rooting

1:20:37

for him.

1:20:38

But he's he's big and athletic, and I mean he's

1:20:40

a good player. Definitely likes throwing deep

1:20:42

too. Always a fan of that. Lars Nevis

1:20:45

or MeVis, however you say it, this

1:20:51

is your favorite prospect in the in

1:20:53

the in the whole draft for sure.

1:20:56

Monster kicker, Yes, I saw him kick a sixty

1:20:59

four years Missouri so kicks a kick

1:21:01

a sixty four yard er right

1:21:03

at the gun. That cashed me a nice money

1:21:05

line. I can't even remember who they were playing, but

1:21:07

Missouri was like Greg Cody

1:21:11

Schrader running back Missouri, Big Missouri.

1:21:14

Day, everybody, Uh ozark

1:21:16

was a wildly.

1:21:17

Over beautiful day in Cincinnati. That's

1:21:20

score ridiculous.

1:21:21

Uh.

1:21:22

Cody Schrader was like a Division III legend.

1:21:24

Did you guys just hear him? Records the

1:21:27

Division three.

1:21:27

Heismans and uh tried

1:21:30

to come up to the Division one level.

1:21:31

He did not get a scholarship to the very

1:21:34

end by one team Missouri, and he he

1:21:36

led the uh the sec

1:21:40

and rushing two straight years. And

1:21:43

man, I could be wrong about that, but I think it's something like

1:21:45

that. And so uh

1:21:47

just I'm rooting for that guy for sure. And again,

1:21:50

no bigger chip on anyone shore than

1:21:52

Cody Schrader. Keep going, all right,

1:21:54

My last guy is Jordan Travis, quarterback Floor Staate

1:21:56

gets hurt a lot, uh or at

1:21:58

least took suffered catastrophic

1:22:00

injury in his last game.

1:22:04

Brutal, brutal.

1:22:06

All right, well, all right, no.

1:22:07

No, no, that's not right.

1:22:08

But he suffered a catastrophic injury

1:22:11

to end his season.

1:22:14

Don't laugh. Great stuff.

1:22:16

And but

1:22:20

he was coming along great.

1:22:23

At Florida State and then started coming along great

1:22:25

and just looking awesome and sort

1:22:27

of getting that second chance at life. Almost too,

1:22:29

because he was he was almost left

1:22:32

for dead, but he wasn't. No one

1:22:34

was looking for him to be anything. Special and then he really

1:22:36

bloomed the last two years. So rooting

1:22:39

for Jordan Travis too. And he's athletic,

1:22:41

but man, he got folded up in that last game.

1:22:44

All right, that's it again.

1:22:46

I'd like to thank.

1:22:47

Everybody, but especially Mark

1:22:49

the Cessman, Sessler,

1:22:53

Cesspice.

1:22:53

Forever, everyone else, never

1:22:59

or most.

1:23:00

Of the time. It's

1:23:03

good.

1:23:03

We waited till the end there see and

1:23:08

thank you, by the way, Thank

1:23:11

you spice Rack. That was that was incredible. H

1:23:13

Jordan Travis in the news, by the way, taking some

1:23:16

visits at tom Pelisaire at the pell Racer mentioned

1:23:18

but I I thought that was excellent and I like

1:23:20

that he likes guys who have a second chance

1:23:22

at I think he likes the underdog story.

1:23:24

It's an angle. I think that was something him and

1:23:26

Wes bonded over.

1:23:28

I think Wes looked at it like a late

1:23:31

bloomer, someone who fought

1:23:33

his way out of where he was in life.

1:23:35

I think him ice.

1:23:36

Rack, I like everything except

1:23:38

the Ozar heat.

1:23:40

Never seen it, so I can't believe. I mean, I

1:23:43

mean he took it down. Yeah, had a.

1:23:46

I talked over his Prestige television

1:23:48

hot take, so that that could be an issue for me and

1:23:51

Spicy.

1:23:51

We've had issues in the past.

1:23:53

He's gonna fume at you and I see

1:23:55

it and rightly as a sign of complete and total

1:23:57

disrespect.

1:23:58

I don't handing on your point of view.

1:24:01

I think that's not your point of view his. But

1:24:03

by that logic, Damn has

1:24:05

disrespected everyone. Yeah, I

1:24:09

probably have not by his point of view.

1:24:11

Can we please keep

1:24:13

in mind, sess Dog,

1:24:16

that Spice Rack being on today's program.

1:24:20

It's not you, sess man, it

1:24:22

was me. So what better active respect

1:24:24

for the Spice Rack than me having

1:24:27

him on the program Today's You could says I value

1:24:29

his input, you could.

1:24:30

Spin it, wait and again.

1:24:31

It's all comes down. It comes down to point

1:24:33

of view. Send me a football. Yeah, all

1:24:38

right, that's it. Thank

1:24:40

you to the Spice Channel, always entertaining.

1:24:44

We will be back on Wednesday

1:24:46

with more football talk, more

1:24:48

draft talks, some more guests.

1:24:51

As we get closer and closer, Jesus

1:24:54

take the wheel to the twenty twenty four NFL

1:24:56

Draft. Connie, You've said it all, and yet

1:24:58

you have one last opportunity.

1:25:00

To say more things. That's great.

1:25:02

I love you guys, and actually

1:25:04

I didn't like when was the last time we were all

1:25:07

in studio together, it feels like a minute. So it's

1:25:09

nice to actually be back with all

1:25:11

three of you in studio and

1:25:14

no real tech diffs on my

1:25:16

side at least today.

1:25:17

Locked and loaded. There we go, Amie

1:25:20

Honey in the studio is never a concern.

1:25:22

She's going to give you high effort, she's going to

1:25:24

give you quality.

1:25:26

Oh ye, and I'll be on time.

1:25:29

What is that?

1:25:33

All right?

1:25:33

Everybody? Thank you for listening. Until

1:25:38

next time. You know what you gotta do. Heat

1:25:43

the cap.