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The Around the NFL Podcast.

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We need more pistachios than Joey

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Bosa. Welcome

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to another edition of the Around the NFL

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Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal,

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sitting in the host chair for Dan Kansas Today in

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the Chris Westling Podcast studio

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in a room with one hero

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that's more accessive. Well, you're a hero,

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that would be two. We've got two heroes.

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We've got Eric behind the glass. We've got

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Christy and Cynthia back there. We've got a gang.

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We've got a legion of

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thousands. Randy, Okay, it's I'm

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in a different chair and the glare is difficult.

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We were left to wait though, to

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start the show. The Mark

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by you know, like the number

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one diva at NFL Network,

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Move the Sticks doing his mock draft

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lives. Yeah, they were.

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They were producing it, you know, in a different

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part of the building, but through our you know, behind

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the glass area. And so we started

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late because Daniel Jeremiah and you know his

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cast of characters refused to go

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quiet when we needed them to.

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Right. Jeremiah,

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you know, it's his time of year and he

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just flexes his muscles

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because he's missed your draft, pushing his

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weight around Yeah, I.

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Think that's well said, and it's you know, it's

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a surprise character reveal for

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an aspect of DJ that you wouldn't often

1:23

claim to see. But it's it's it's ripe right

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now and he's doing what he's what he's typically doing

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to the summer.

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Now that said, we are trying to book him for the show at some point,

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yes, so he doesn't, you know, we just keep this expertise.

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Dan is in Hawaii, the official, you

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know, high falutin location for around the

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NFL vacations. Apparently our kids

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are both on spring break for these

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two weeks. So I was there last

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week, he's there this week, and then

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we really start cranking up back to three days

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a week. Sounds like I missed a fun week

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here, You missed a lively a lively

1:55

couple of shows. Or are you and Dan

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renting the same place out in

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I don't know that. But it was a lovely time. We got

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the Watson Abbes together, her parents,

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my parents together for the first

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time and I think fifteen

2:09

years something like that. So it

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was lovely. And now we're back and

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we're gonna have a couple draft centered

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shows here. We got Josh

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Norris coming on in just a little

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bit to go through

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our first mock draft of the

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season. We're gonna each put our heads into

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the general manager's minds really and go through the top

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ten picks. We'll also have a couple of picks that

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we would like to see and we

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didn't do with them. We didn't do this ahead of time. We're not

2:38

now like anything could happen. I

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don't know what's going to happen. I'm very

2:43

excited for it. Josh Norris one of the great

2:45

draft minds out there, just one of the great football minds over

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at Underdog. But before that, we just got

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a little bit of news. Eric from

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behind the glass, as.

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We all know, decided to really go ahead and start

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to take.

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Command one

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of my all time favorite drops

3:02

on this show, Carson Wentz.

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That went well for him too, and you could tell right out of the

3:06

gate that was gonna go smoothly.

3:08

I look at this week with Dan

3:10

Gohn and me just you

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know, trying to fill his chair

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as a similar duty. I'm gonna be

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the Carson Wentz in Washington of this program.

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This week we'll get to Carson Wentz. He's back in the legue

3:22

back in the news in a little bit, but we'll

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start. You know, we're just catching up. It's a quiet

3:27

time of year. There was some news though,

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at the end of last week, after you taped

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your last show, Mark, we got

3:33

the Son Reddick situation handled.

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And it followed a trend of a lot

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of trades this offseason where

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you're like, huh, that's all they could get for

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that player, And in this case, it was a Son Reddick

3:46

who turned out to be one of the best free agent signings

3:48

I believe the last ten years or so over what

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the Eagles got out of him going to Dan's

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Jets for a twenty twenty six

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conditional third round pick.

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So, if you remember Bryce Huff signed

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with the Eagles in free agency, Reddick,

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a similar type of player, just older,

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ends up getting dealt to the

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Jets for a minimal cost. What

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do you think, Mark, I love it.

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I have thought that the last

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three or four seasons of Hasan Reddick have shown

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who he is. And so if there was some question

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of Bryce Huff in a

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larger, full time, expanded role,

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and like if what you pay him for that without knowing

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he's going to fulfill that role, then you know, you

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know, in Hassan Redick, at least for a couple of seasons,

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you're gonna get it. I mean, there are two players in the league

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with eleven plus sacks over the past four

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seasons. It is Hassan Reddick and Miles Garrett.

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It's a very rare time in

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the NFL where a guy extremely

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productive is just shown

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the door essentially because they're like we

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just think you're you're not good enough, or where

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we want to cut it off right now before

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it starts getting bad. They were, i think disappointed

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by how some of their edges played last year.

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We heard Josh Sweat was available

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even though they had a pretty good pass rush, and I think

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Reddick had a good season. Maybe it's something to do with

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run defense, but that it's the same profile as

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Bryce Huff. It just might be a

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deal where they didn't want to give him a new

5:12

contract, and maybe it's a personal

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thing and has Son Reddick got to the Jets

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and said that a new contract.

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You know, we've heard that a new contract is possible,

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but he says he's going to be happy no matter what. And it

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might be one of those deals where it's like the Eagles

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weren't going to give him a contract. The Jets might not either,

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but they just didn't want an unhappy player there and

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they essentially decided to move on. And they decided

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that before this all started, and they didn't really get

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much of a return, but it was too late. I think that's where

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the conditional thirds.

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It's just like the Eagles had it on there in their

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plans to move on and they made their big

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free agent signing it edge. I love it for

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the Jets, I do. I think because they're

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all in for this season. Like

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what happened last year was like the dar total darkness,

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but like this is a player I think unless

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there's a fall off a cliff scenario, you know

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what you're getting right away. And I trust that defensive

5:57

side of the ball at least to produce Son

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Reddick.

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Uh, if you remember, was a drafted

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as a linebacker with the Cardinals, kind

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of just bounced around a little, then had a nice

6:07

uh seasons with the Panthers

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and UH, it really hit it rich with

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the Eagles in terms of that contract, which

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to me is low cost and

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the Jets are pretty loaded. I saw

6:19

it thrown out there last week. It's like, are

6:21

the Jets like under the radar as

6:23

like a you know, possible contender. It's

6:26

like the Jets are not under the raidar. The

6:28

Jets are not under the radar with anyone. And but

6:31

it's a fair point that just like it's a pretty good

6:33

roster on paper.

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Well and it was last year too, and it's like you're just gonna

6:36

lose your quarterback and have nothing behind it. But I

6:39

still think there's questions about what Aaron

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Rodgers will be this season. But I don't

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know why we would change our expectations from

6:46

where we were with the Jets of year ago saying they could contend

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for the division.

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Sure, and Will McDonald was their first round pick

6:51

last year. He's still gonna have to big probably

6:53

have a big role, but now he

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can slide into that third sort of rusher

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role. They're pretty deep there. They have John Franklin, Meyers,

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the Jermaine Johnson's probably gonna start.

7:02

I mean it on

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paper, that was the biggest sight of a news Unfortunately,

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it's the time of year where the

7:09

police blodder and just updates on

7:13

what's going on off the field is you

7:15

know, one of the biggest parts of the calendar.

7:18

You I know hit the Cam Sutton news

7:21

that he was arrested

7:23

and everything, but he turned himself into police over

7:26

the week, and he does not have not on a team,

7:28

and I don't expect him to be on a team. The former

7:31

Lions cornerback and then the

7:33

Vikings suspended their offensive

7:35

coordinator three weeks

7:37

for a driving wall intoxicated

7:41

arrest. I just want to throw that out there. Back to the

7:43

field, we mentioned Carson Wentz. It's not massive

7:45

news. The rest of the stories we'll

7:47

cycle through quickly, but Carson Wentz is

7:50

your Kansas City Chiefs backup quarterback

7:52

now replacing Blaine Gabbert.

7:54

Ah right, I mean, if anything, he's got a ton

7:56

of starting experience and they had

7:59

like Ian Book and no one

8:01

else at quarterback, and there it's a post Blake

8:03

Border, post dot Blaine

8:05

Gabbert world that they're in.

8:06

And so I don't hate that. Why

8:08

is it a play? I guess Blaine had his had

8:11

his run. It's kind of funny when it's

8:13

like Carson Wentz is a rich

8:15

man's Blaine Gabbard. I guess in terms of the

8:17

career that he's had. But I do like Sean McVay kind of save

8:19

Carson Wentz' his career, it looked like it was maybe

8:22

just ending, and then he got back

8:24

into the NFL with the Rams, and now he's

8:26

got a chance to go win a title. And

8:28

it would be kind of fascinating to see

8:30

Carson Wentz play like one game,

8:33

but that would mean Patrick Mahomes is hurt, or

8:35

they've too much yeah, or they've clinched early,

8:37

neither of which is really that compelling. So I

8:39

take it back, it wouldn't be that interesting to see Carson

8:41

Wentz play. A couple items here. The Jaguars

8:44

gave Foyo Lucan a

8:47

new long term contract. That was a nice

8:50

free agent signing by them a

8:52

couple of years ago. So Trent Buck's got

8:54

some wins for him and they doubled down

8:57

by keeping him. We had a restricted

8:59

free agent off first sheet finally, first

9:01

first time in a while, the forty nine ers have signed

9:05

brock Wright to a three year,

9:08

twelve million dollar deal. And my

9:10

son in Hawaii, Walker, he's

9:13

a little bit of a news addict these days. He wanted

9:16

to be like, where did that come from? Check on roade

9:18

a World just to see what's popping, you know,

9:20

in the news. I was like, not much is gonna

9:22

be happening, man, And it was like, yeah,

9:24

the the Rams re signed some guy

9:26

you'd never heard of, Tyler Johnson, and then we had this brock

9:29

Right thing. But I had to explain to him what

9:31

a restricted free agent is. He didn't

9:33

know, Like, well, you can sign him to an

9:35

offer sheet and then their team has

9:38

to have five days whether they want

9:40

to match it or not. So brock Wright, who I think

9:42

is most famous for having a big time play against

9:44

the Jets a couple of years ago, long touchdown,

9:47

but more of a blocking tight end, you

9:49

know, might be going to the forty nine ers unless the lines want

9:51

to match that. You just don't. I feel like you see maybe

9:54

one of these an off season. It's not fine.

9:56

But he's like, well, why can't they just be normal free agents?

9:59

I was like, well, you know, they get to normal

10:01

free agency in the fourth year, but restricted is

10:03

the third year, and then there's the whole collective

10:06

bargaining agreement that they negotiate.

10:08

And it's like, is he gonna wait fast?

10:10

Is he gonna have to wait fifteen years to be on a podcast

10:12

because he sounds ready to just fill in us.

10:15

Well, I don't know if we can keep

10:17

this thing going until then, maybe he'll he'll replace

10:19

us a podcast. Bill Belichick

10:21

is writing a book. Our friend Andrew Marshaan

10:24

has some sources that says Belichick

10:27

is penning. We don't know if I assume

10:29

it's about it. What do you think it's a novel?

10:32

Well, I mean, I'd love to see like Belichick craft

10:34

like a mystery novel or something. But I'm

10:36

sure it's you know, it's obviously football related. But is

10:38

it a you know, an autobiography or

10:41

is it like on the topic of something a football

10:43

related that he's obsessed with.

10:45

Good question. I kind of would

10:47

guess it's closer to the latter, or

10:49

like lessons he's learned and jumping

10:52

around through difference. That's what I would hope for

10:54

because I don't I don't think he's gonna write a biography

10:58

or like talk about how the Patriot you

11:00

know, just go like soup

11:02

to nuts, how the Patriots were built. It just doesn't seem

11:04

like what he's gonna do. But maybe he can sprinkle

11:07

in like little, you know, different

11:09

stories from throughout his.

11:10

Career football season all the things that go with

11:12

it.

11:13

Or maybe he's amazing. I mean, his dad literally wrote

11:15

the book on football scouting. It was called Football

11:17

Scouting Methods.

11:18

I have that that's that is not I wouldn't

11:20

call it a page turner, but it's a no.

11:22

It's like how to scout. It's

11:24

how to you know, write down okay,

11:26

before every play, you know, the safeties here,

11:28

and write down the formation and different things.

11:31

Do we get the Belichick audiobook though,

11:33

like think that Mmmm, I don't know if that's the best

11:35

way to go with the.

11:36

I I he really respects the

11:39

written word, He respects legacy,

11:41

he respects history. I actually I

11:44

was thinking maybe this later this year we could do a

11:46

little a quick like football book club segment

11:49

or something mini segment, because I

11:51

started to reread and

11:53

it'll be a quick read. It's this book called Patriot

11:56

Reign by Michael Holly and

11:58

and I think it's kind of it slept on as one of the great

12:00

football We talked a lot about Collision

12:03

Low Crossers season in the life and

12:05

this is very much in that vein. And

12:07

people think of Belichick is so closed off,

12:09

not allowing anything. He led a guy from

12:11

the Boston Globe who took a year off. I think

12:13

it ended up being two years off to just

12:16

hang out with the team for two years, be in every

12:18

meeting, in the coaches meetings, in everything, and

12:21

he got a ton of stuff. And it's and

12:23

it's the twenty two it's two thousand and

12:25

two season, which doesn't go too well, and then

12:28

a little PostScript on the next year where they where they

12:30

win the Super Bowl, and it's got

12:32

great stuff in it. And it's I feel like no one really

12:35

And it's because I think Belichick wanted,

12:37

like he wanted to

12:39

like have proof of what everything

12:42

happened. He wanted to have a say in it. It's not that he doesn't

12:44

care all.

12:44

These like there are so many reverse

12:47

expectation reports on Belichick where it's like, oh, actually,

12:49

behind the scenes, like he was delightful to me and treated

12:51

me well and like corresponding to this and that,

12:53

and it's like, I I I can't

12:55

wait to see what he writes. I will buy it immediately,

12:58

I hope.

12:58

I mean, it's tough to a book in one offseason.

13:01

Can he do it before the next season starts.

13:03

I guess if he's really trying art, I mean, he's a hard

13:05

worker one. If it's me, like Bill Belichick and so

13:07

and so. Yeah, you know what I mean, maybe

13:09

because they had an unauthorized biography he

13:11

hadn't read it, haven't read it yet by Ian O'Connor.

13:13

That's kind of now become

13:16

his definitive one, which is, you know,

13:18

I'm sure he doesn't like that he didn't participate

13:20

in it, and it's his definitive one. Finally, in the news,

13:23

some sad news. Vonte Davis, who

13:26

had a strong career for the Dolphins,

13:28

who's drafted by first round Colts,

13:30

got a big free agent contract and then

13:33

the Bills has died

13:36

at his home in Florida. He

13:40

I believe was only thirty

13:42

five years old.

13:45

Yeah, and they, I mean, you know, we're waiting to find

13:47

out more what happened there, if you

13:49

have access to the athletic anyone out there.

13:51

Our friend Zach Kiefer, who wrote an incredible

13:54

piece on Chris Westling, you

13:57

know, he could have been closer to what was happening

13:59

with the Colts and had many interesting

14:01

experiences with Vante Davison wrote an incredible

14:04

piece on like the Person, and he obviously

14:06

wrote it quickly and

14:09

probably, you know, without knowing a

14:11

lot about what had happened here. But man, I don't

14:13

know, like this is it makes me think of something just

14:15

personally, like I didn't even come to the NFL, so I

14:17

was thirty six, and so when someone leaves

14:20

the earth to thirty five, like there was so much more,

14:23

so many more years ahead for him, and it's like it's

14:26

a tragedy.

14:27

Yeah, very sad. And he I think

14:29

might be most known for how his

14:31

career ended, how he retired in the middle

14:34

of a game, and he even talked about that

14:36

that look like he never

14:38

would call himself a quitter because he

14:41

he has He overcame a home

14:43

with, you know, an alcoholic father and a

14:45

mother had drug problems, and both him and

14:47

his brother Vernon Davis turned into Pro

14:49

Bowl NFL players, And he said,

14:52

I'm no quitter for me to

14:54

get to where I am, it just I just had a strong

14:56

feeling that I was done. And yeah,

14:59

you mentioned Chris, I got a tweet

15:02

today that you know someone had

15:04

listened. Was listened to an old Week

15:07

nine preview of a season

15:10

long ago and Chris

15:12

talking about how great Vonte Davis

15:15

was playing. He was a first team All

15:17

Pro for one season where he just

15:20

was a physical exciting player.

15:22

So rest in piece to Vonte

15:24

Davis. We are going to do our mock draft with

15:26

Josh Norris right after

15:29

the break. Our

15:48

next guest is

15:51

the football content lead at

15:54

Underdog Fantasy, long

15:59

time consigtly Air of Evan

16:01

Silva at

16:04

road a world as the NFL Draft

16:06

expert. He's

16:08

now married, he's

16:11

born on July seventeenth,

16:14

and I'm gonna just say it. He's

16:16

a YouTube star, Josh

16:18

Norris, Ladies and gentlemen.

16:21

Guys, you know what I realized. I

16:23

don't think and I've been in the show about three

16:25

or four times. I don't know if I've ever

16:27

been on this program when Dan

16:30

has also been on the program. So I don't

16:32

know if this is like a Jennifer

16:34

Aniston Reese Weatherspoon situation

16:36

where he uses to do scenes with me. But that's

16:39

what's brewing in my head right now.

16:40

Mark, that is a that is a fair

16:43

fairly bubbling controversy. I didn't know that,

16:45

but I could see us in Dan's absence

16:47

around this time of year when we

16:49

can kind of rotate our time off, that you'd

16:52

be a very natural in this, you know, in

16:54

April into May, a very natural person to come in

16:56

and talk draft.

16:57

I don't know if it's a sorry he's threatened by you, Yeah,

16:59

it's one of or he just doesn't like you. It could

17:01

be any one of these things.

17:03

That could be it.

17:03

Like I am assuming at

17:06

some point someone can stand

17:09

on the table, pound the table and be like, no, we are

17:11

not having this guest on the show while

17:13

I'm on it now and maybe other times

17:15

my name has popped up for I guess spot,

17:18

but now it's impossible for.

17:20

You know, this is this is completely unfair,

17:24

frankly to to Dan because we

17:26

were we tried to book you, we were trying to get

17:28

you a couple of weeks ago and then didn't

17:32

true. I don't even remember how that happens.

17:34

I did promise stand and I would know controversies

17:37

about him involving him would rise while he was on vacation.

17:40

Okay, he doesn't want to hear about it from anyone else, so keep

17:42

it under wraps.

17:43

And yeah I mentioned the YouTube. You can check

17:45

Josh Norris out doing a

17:48

lot of great content. Uh at

17:50

the Underdog. Also, I'll

17:52

see his channel and NFL Draft channel.

17:54

Hayden Winks is on there and like they

17:57

they have quick videos right during free

17:59

agency and I'm I mean it. They are killing

18:01

the game in the YouTube staces. We could learn a thing

18:04

or two from you.

18:05

And this is the one, like Josh Norris,

18:07

Like you'll be out watching like Monday

18:09

night football somewhere and like you're the

18:11

guy whose commercials pop up and I'm

18:13

always I'm with friends only trying to I know that

18:15

guy. He's on a commercial during Monday in Football's

18:17

special to me.

18:19

Thank you, Mark. I appreciate that bank

18:21

account did not change with those commercials. But you know, we'll

18:23

live and learn.

18:24

Mhm. So next time, yeah, hold out

18:26

for more and then they'll just use Hayden.

18:29

Uh. This is gonna be a mock draft.

18:31

It's gonna be fun. We're doing the top ten picks. We're

18:33

also gonna throw in uh a pick each.

18:36

We just would like to see from the from the first round.

18:38

Uh. And we're gonna start with you, Josh,

18:41

And Uh that was strategic by me.

18:43

Now one hand, the first pick

18:45

feels predictable, but we'll see U.

18:48

On the other with ten

18:50

picks, that means you have to do one

18:52

more and so love it. That was

18:54

sort of the strategy on my end. Josh

18:57

knows more than Mark and I about

18:59

the NFL draft. I love not really

19:01

going I'm yeah, I'm not speaking

19:03

out of school here, but we will start

19:06

with you and our friend

19:09

Eric will be playing the role of Roger Goodell

19:11

here.

19:17

With the first pick of the twenty twenty

19:19

four around the NFL mock Draft,

19:21

the Chicago Bears select

19:24

USC quarterback Caleb Williams.

19:28

This is an easy one.

19:29

Caleb Williams is really a slam dunk

19:32

prospect, and I know that obviously

19:34

there were some down plays

19:37

in comparison to his previous

19:39

season, but really you kind of see

19:41

the Aaron Rodgers vacation

19:43

or even some Patrick mahomes ness in his game in

19:45

terms of off platform throws, releases,

19:48

and kind of like those guys Greg, you

19:51

kind of get a sense that his

19:54

in play in rhythm stuff

19:56

is a bit undervalued at this point. On top

19:58

of it, so he played in a pitiful team with

20:01

a pitiful defense, was forced to put the pedal

20:03

to the floor at all times and try to carry them. But

20:05

in the NFL. Cannot wait to watch what Killer Williams

20:08

does with this really good situation that the Chicago

20:10

Bears have set him.

20:11

Up for those players are there though, like in a

20:13

way that they probably

20:16

weren't there as much for

20:18

Mahomes coming out. And why

20:20

I think Mahomes fell a little further is

20:22

like you just he wasn't even put in

20:24

the position to have as many

20:27

what the NFL would consider traditional

20:29

drop back plays where he sets his feet,

20:31

goes through his receivers and

20:33

hits him in rhythm, gets to a second third

20:36

like Mahomes is, he didn't really have that chance.

20:38

And you know, Cliff Kingsbury is the guy that connects

20:41

these two. And maybe Caleb Williams'

20:43

sophomore tape with Cliff was somehow worse than

20:45

his freshman tape without Cliff. That's like another

20:47

topic. But those players are all there, so you see

20:50

it all and I'm

20:52

looking forward to seeing what he's going to be

20:55

like at the NFL level. But

20:57

the one thing he's not, I guess Mark, which is interesting

20:59

because you think of him up there

21:01

with the Andrew Locks and Trevor Lawrences

21:04

as one of the best prospects we've seen

21:06

in the last you know, Joe Burrow last ten

21:09

twelve years. To me, he's

21:11

not doing it by just like he's Josh

21:13

Allen with a monster arm. He's more

21:15

of like a twenty twenty four. He

21:18

has enough arm and he can do

21:20

everything else just at an extremely high

21:22

level. With the wow plays too.

21:23

And it's hard for me not to factor like

21:25

the Cliff Kingsbury angle into that

21:28

too. I have lost a

21:30

fair amount of faith in Cliff Kingsbury and

21:32

will get to him in a minute, but we will.

21:34

I mean there are like I think the

21:36

destiny of these quarterbacks has a lot to do

21:38

with the fact that the best quarterback is typically going to

21:40

a team that's a trash bag and

21:43

they have a nice assortment

21:46

of players around. I think the Keenan Allen trade to go with Teacher,

21:48

it's like he's in a good position to I

21:50

have a faster start than if he had gone

21:53

to some lost organization in the

21:55

forest.

21:55

But before we move on, because I

21:57

do think we have a tendency to kind of like overlooked

22:00

the one pick after a while because it's like right

22:03

for you know, especially on this show, we haven't

22:05

actually talked about Kayleb Williams that much.

22:08

Two things. Number one, like

22:11

what watching you know, watching the tape sort

22:13

of impressed their surprising those And then number

22:15

two, I'm curious like what you think his

22:18

rushing value will be as

22:20

a pro. You're you know, you're a fantasy guy, so that

22:22

that's certainly a big but it's also a big reality

22:26

part of his game.

22:27

Well, I mean, any of the top ten, top twelve quarterbacks

22:30

in the league, now you have to have some love of athleticism

22:32

once things break down or don't go the way that

22:35

you want to, you know on the play

22:37

sheet, and he has that, especially if you go back

22:39

to his stuff at Oklahoma, he is like stronger

22:41

than you think when running the ball

22:43

and people bounce off him and there are some insane

22:45

runs on top of that. In that small sample what

22:49

I was reminded of because you can check out the

22:51

box scores, you can check out all that stuff, but like the

22:54

game gets Washington this season

22:56

for example, you know, a team that was buying

22:58

for the national championship. The

23:00

Huskies scored a touchdown on eight

23:03

of ten of their drives in that game.

23:06

Like it was similar situation like

23:08

that every single time he touched

23:10

the field where he basically had to score a touchdown

23:13

or bust. And so yeah, there

23:15

were one hundred percent instances

23:17

where he puts more pressure on his offensive

23:20

line than was necessary, but

23:22

I feel like you have to do that in order

23:24

to also get the wow plays that

23:26

also come along with that. And he also is trying

23:28

to buy time, I thought, in order to allow

23:31

for those extended plays, to allow his

23:33

wide receivers to get free because maybe the play

23:36

call was bad, and again those out

23:38

of structure moments they could kind

23:40

of separate from their corners.

23:41

Yeah, it was.

23:42

It was just the balance that he played with of,

23:44

Hey, I can quickly throw the football

23:46

because I know exactly what the coverage is

23:48

pre snap, and then I see it again post

23:50

snap. But then also the elongated

23:53

magician stuff, which again

23:55

separates you know, you being from a top

23:58

ten quarterback to a top five overall quarter back.

24:00

In the leak. Yeah, and you mentioned

24:02

that Oklahoma year. He does have a nice balance

24:04

of he's not an old prospect, but

24:06

he does have plenty of experience. He threw a couple

24:08

hundred passes for Oklahoma, and you're

24:10

right, you ran for four hundred and forty two

24:13

yards that year, and then last year.

24:15

You know, by the time he got to what essentially

24:18

was his senior year for USC,

24:21

he all but refused to run except

24:24

for touchdowns. And you know, he did score

24:26

twenty seven touchdowns as

24:30

as a college player in twenty one over the last

24:32

two years for USC, so it was interesting. But

24:34

I think that was because he knew where he was

24:36

in the draft. He didn't need to run, but he

24:38

certainly should be able to mark. You have

24:41

the second overall pick. We haven't

24:43

heard a lot of buzz about any

24:45

trades, and we are allowing trades,

24:48

trade proposals to happen in this

24:50

draft. We'll just see what happens. But unless anyone

24:52

has a trade for the number two pick,

24:54

you are.

24:55

Yeah, I wanted to, you know, shake

24:57

things up, but there was an element of logic to this,

25:00

and we're gonna see what happens with the Washington

25:02

Commanders.

25:05

With the second pick of the twenty twenty

25:07

four around the NFL mock Draft, the

25:10

Washington Commanders select.

25:12

Jaden Daniels quarterback

25:15

LSU. Now like digging

25:17

into this even you know where we were like a couple like

25:19

three four weeks ago, it was like, oh, Drake's

25:21

Drake May And it's like, I just feel that the

25:23

tide is turning a little bit more. We're hearing more and more about

25:26

the fact that this could be Jaden Daniels,

25:28

I am. I feel like the Drake

25:31

May reviews have been sort of all over

25:33

the map, and I think it's interesting

25:36

that compared to pass Commander's operations,

25:39

you're not hearing much of anything at all about

25:41

what they're gonna do. So I think this is a true, interesting,

25:43

mysterious number two pick. I go with Daniels.

25:45

I think he's kind of he does it a little bit of everything,

25:48

Like his dangerous nature on the

25:50

ground is fascinating to me. He

25:53

has five seasons of starting

25:55

experience. I think that matters with these quarterback

25:58

college quarterbacks a lot to me, football

26:00

intelligence, pre snap intelligence.

26:03

I guess for me it's the He's got a rare,

26:05

you know, blend of arm talent,

26:08

running ability. He's got Cliff

26:10

Kingsbury as his offensive cornat we just mentioned that.

26:13

I think that's a that isn't a

26:15

bit of a wild card. But Josh,

26:17

how do you feel about me going Daniels over Drake

26:20

mayhere.

26:20

Well sidebar here.

26:22

Greg as the man with the

26:24

most accurate mock draft of all time, we know that

26:27

obviously mock drafting is it's you, not

26:29

me.

26:29

That's you and me. To be clear, that

26:31

was you two years ago living.

26:34

This is all about the consumes of that mock

26:37

draft ever since, we didn't hear

26:39

much about your last year as macdraft But yes, we sorry,

26:41

what was your question?

26:43

Mock drafting is all about dot connecting, so Greg,

26:45

I have seen people try to

26:48

connect the dots of Oh, they signed Marcus

26:50

Mariota as the backup quarterback,

26:52

they trade away Sam Howell. Does that mean that they

26:54

are citing more with the Jaden Daniels

26:57

type than the Drake may type. I'm not buying

26:59

into that as much.

27:00

What say you?

27:01

No, I don't know how Marcus Mariota could

27:03

have a lot to do with it, right And when was the last

27:05

time? Yeah? I know Mariota

27:07

can run a little bit, but

27:10

he's not Jayden Daniels. I mean he's nothing,

27:12

I mean compared, He's nothing

27:15

close to Jade Daniels.

27:16

I am not saying that Sam Howell, for what.

27:18

It's worth, is like as good a runner,

27:20

if not better than Marcus Mariota. It makes not that

27:22

makes no sense to me. I just can't

27:25

imagine anything to do like this.

27:27

This choice is their franchise,

27:30

It changes their franchise. It's

27:32

the biggest choice. Their franchise is

27:34

going to make for the next you know, seven eight

27:36

years in their minds, hopefully more

27:39

the fact that it would like that Marcus

27:41

Mariota's signing would somehow indicate

27:44

what's going to happen.

27:44

I just came back one little doc, go

27:47

ahead, Mark Well, I was gonna say, like Brian Kelly

27:50

and maybe this is nothing, but he,

27:52

you know, was glowing about Jayden Daniels in an interview

27:54

and basically said Washington is going to be very

27:57

happy with what they get. And it's like, okay,

28:00

you're maybe you're just saying this is the second best quarterback

28:02

in the draft, if not the first in your eyes, and he's going

28:04

number two. But that kind of one it

28:06

makes you wonder if Brian Kelly just knows something.

28:08

Wow.

28:09

Well, I actually think the Marcus Mariota

28:11

connection is more about Brian Johnson, who they brought in,

28:13

is like I think their past game coordinator and obviously they have time

28:15

together.

28:15

And that's literally that's that's it. That's

28:18

only it's like that who's available and

28:20

I just worked with this guy

28:22

who's available as a backup quarterback.

28:25

With Jayden Daniels.

28:26

He is a fascinating player and obviously it's

28:29

interesting it's very Philadelphia Eagles to me,

28:31

honestly. You have two alpha

28:33

wide receivers on the outside that both might

28:35

be top twenty picks.

28:37

Uh.

28:37

This season, you had a fantastic

28:40

offensive line. You rarely attack

28:42

the middle of the field because when you have

28:44

rushing success, obviously that and especially

28:46

with the hash marks, can turn you know, these one on

28:48

ones on the outside into enviable

28:51

matchups. And so you just

28:53

have deep shot after deep shot over and over

28:55

and over again. And it was no

28:58

under center work, which is not a surprise. But

29:01

I just wonder if, like if you compare

29:03

levels, and I actually don't think the Commanders

29:05

in terms of pass catchers as

29:08

a bad situation to walk into. You have, you know, Johan

29:10

Dotson, obviously Terry McLaurin on top of that. But

29:13

man, it was just an ideal situation for jayde

29:15

Daniels to work in. But at the same time

29:17

he totally maximized it. That is like underselling

29:20

it. It was obviously a Heisman Trophy season,

29:22

but they are just some weird wonky

29:25

numbers underlying in terms

29:27

of his profile, Like everybody, Nate

29:29

Tyce pointed this out. Only at his

29:31

dropbacks resulted in a pass attempt

29:34

That was one hundred and ninety third out of one hundred

29:36

and ninety six, you know, and he just rarely

29:38

attacked the midle of the field. But I really

29:40

like him as a prospect. I just prefer Drake May as

29:42

a.

29:42

Player, right, he like

29:44

I think it. You know, this is the first

29:46

of his three senior seasons. He

29:49

set his career high with three hundred

29:51

and eighty eight pass attempts. So other than that,

29:53

he was like three hundred and three twenty seven. And that's

29:55

you know, playing every game. And the

29:57

age thing doesn't matter to me. A not

30:00

that, not

30:02

that it's going to prevent you from being a great quarterback

30:05

right off the bat. He clearly needed that time

30:08

in college to develop, and I think it's going

30:10

to work out for him and make him a better player at the pro

30:12

level. But that if you're comparing him to a guy

30:14

like Drake May who's so much

30:16

younger, how can that not make

30:19

a big difference. Now, Now that said, he

30:21

might enter the league, as you

30:23

know, he might be the newest best running

30:26

quarterback ever. Also like

30:28

right, I mean, he's like, if he starts

30:30

seventeen games, isn't

30:32

he going to have a chance to break the all time

30:35

rushing record. I mean, as long

30:37

as he stays healthy. I know he's he's got

30:39

a a frame that

30:41

you worry about a little bit, but.

30:43

He takes like car crashes every time.

30:45

Right, But his running is just

30:47

outrageously crazy.

30:50

Yeah, it's really.

30:52

That's pretty exciting.

30:52

Let's table what age conversation when we get to Drake may because

30:55

I actually think it's like more of

30:57

an optimistic lens of him than it might

31:00

be like a downside of.

31:01

The Okay, that's absolutely fair and yet to put

31:03

some context on it. Yeah, jayde and Daniels

31:05

ran for almost three thousand yards

31:08

over the last three seasons, including eleven hundred

31:10

and thirty four yards in twelve games. And I

31:12

know it's just counting staff and stuff, but you watch

31:14

it.

31:14

We just like the only player INPs

31:17

history with twelve thousand passing yards in three

31:19

thousand.

31:19

It's just outrageous. But I always am a little anxious

31:22

about the guys who you

31:24

know, you mentioned Nate Tights. He has more as

31:26

like a late first round type of grade.

31:28

And that's you know as

31:31

early as yeah,

31:33

as late as like mid August, early November.

31:36

The draft knicks, maybe they were just off all along.

31:38

But they they did not necessarily see

31:40

him as QB three or even in the

31:43

first round conversation at all. And we've seen

31:45

guys like that shoot up fast Mariotos.

31:48

Was he kind of one like that? Maybe not. RG

31:51

three absolutely was where no one had any

31:53

idea RG three was going to be the top two pick

31:55

until the end of the season, and then he was

31:57

all right, let's move to the third pick. And for

31:59

the first time, we do have a trade proposal on

32:01

the board. WHOA, So the Patriots

32:03

are on the clock, Drake May

32:07

is available, and I

32:10

as take I'm the also taking the sixth pick in

32:12

the nine pick, so I hold the Giants pick. So

32:14

I am actually proposing a trade from

32:17

the Giants to myself as

32:19

as the Patriots. Yeah, why

32:22

hold up? Why? Why? Well?

32:24

One, the Minnesota Vikings have far more

32:26

Draft Capitol Hill here, and

32:29

my old co host Josh

32:31

McCown was the high school quarterbacks

32:33

coach of Drake May. Their entire

32:36

offseason has been built towards

32:39

trading for a quarterback in the

32:41

NFL Draft, already making a move to have two

32:43

first round selections. So you're gonna go here

32:45

to the Giants.

32:46

That have just six.

32:47

If you on a second rounder and a third rounder.

32:49

Well, once you see the offer, you

32:52

know they they are trying their best to

32:54

make it as enticing as possible. But if you want to

32:56

throw into Vikings trade proposal, I don't

32:58

know what the rules are here. You know they're outside the

33:00

top.

33:02

Okay, here pick eleven, pick twenty

33:04

three and a twenty twenty five first

33:06

rounder.

33:07

There is no way the Giants.

33:08

Hello, that is

33:11

first, okay, and that is a great

33:13

position. You know. I think this is the Patriots

33:15

dream because I don't know, but I

33:18

just would guess that they'd rather draft Drake Made

33:20

than Jaden Daniels and then to

33:22

be in this score, right, what

33:24

do you say?

33:25

Like, what what's your read here?

33:27

Is it?

33:27

Because either they take one of the top three quarterbacks

33:30

or they try to build and go with chakuber set for

33:32

a year?

33:32

Well, we'll see, you know. I think this is the

33:34

best scenario because I think this is where

33:36

they would get the most trade offers. I

33:38

don't I don't necessarily believe all the smoke on

33:41

May Daniels. I think more teams would still

33:43

be interested in May and certainly the falloff

33:45

is large. The Giants

33:48

are going to offer. Obviously,

33:51

you know the number six pick. You only have to move back three

33:53

spots. You're still extremely

33:55

high. You're going to get one of those wide receivers

33:57

if you're the Patriots at that six

34:00

spot. If you want him, you got your second round pick

34:02

this year that they picked up for Lenny

34:04

Williams. You got your first round pick

34:07

next year. And then they're

34:09

also going to throw into the trade

34:11

in agreement that they will release

34:14

a statement as a team that acknowledges

34:17

luck was a significant

34:20

contributing factor into

34:22

the helmet catch and winning that

34:24

Super Bowl, just admitting that,

34:27

hey, sports, luck matters. Luck

34:29

was a significant contributing factor. They

34:31

also, as part of that statement, will

34:34

say that while they believe Eli

34:36

Manning is a Hall of Famer, they

34:38

recognize that Philip

34:40

Rivers has had

34:43

more seasons where he was universally

34:45

recognized as a top five type of quarterback,

34:47

maybe six to seven of those seasons versus one

34:49

or two for Eli. And so they recognize

34:52

that Philip Rivers should go in first. But they

34:54

still do support Eli. So that is part of

34:57

the trade out. A lot of greg

35:00

based desire. I don't know what you're talking

35:02

about, but I do think.

35:03

That all those admissions might be more valuable

35:06

than that third.

35:07

First round pick from the Vikings.

35:08

Josh, where is Dan when you need him? Guys?

35:10

Where is Dan where you need him?

35:12

This is why? Uh, it's it's fun.

35:14

Sometimes you got to throw in what you like. And you know what, they

35:16

got all those offers and

35:19

let's let's go to Eric here.

35:24

With the third pick of the twenty

35:26

twenty four around the NFL mock Draft.

35:30

I think it's the Giants now, is that what we're

35:32

just said? No, the New England Patriots are saying

35:34

no to everything, but they're going to humiliate

35:37

the Giants by leaking that they offered

35:39

this in the first place, so they get the win there.

35:42

They've been recording the conversations.

35:44

Actually, they're bringing it back to Spygate. They're

35:47

saying no to the Vikings. They don't care, they need to.

35:49

They want Drake May. They were hoping Drake May would

35:51

fall and they're just taking Drake May. That's

35:54

who. That is a lot of a dramatic build up

35:56

to that decision. Well done. I

35:59

mean you got to you got to get the offers,

36:01

you got to see what's happening. But as

36:03

a Patriots fan, and I think if you're a Patriots

36:05

team, this is the most perfect thing

36:07

that could happen to them. They were in

36:09

what a lot of people thought was a two elite

36:12

quarterback draft. They fell to three

36:14

with that late weird win against the

36:16

Broncos. But May falls

36:18

to them, and he, to me, is everything they could

36:20

want in a quarterback. And all those

36:23

picks are great, but it

36:25

they could go ten years without having a

36:27

chance to find a quarterback like this.

36:28

Did you think that you were gonna have to make this decision

36:31

around Jade and Daniels?

36:33

If yes, And if

36:35

the offers had come in for

36:38

Jade and Daniels, I think the

36:40

Patriots would have been much more open

36:42

to making that trade. And I as

36:44

a fan, am torn because I've always

36:47

wanted like a fun running quarterback as

36:49

a Patriots fan. And so if they take me, if

36:51

they right, Drake Me is that guy too. But I'm

36:53

saying Daniels also is that guy, and

36:56

so he's a guy that if they

36:58

end up taking him at three, I'm not gonna disappointed. I'll

37:00

be excited, but I would understand to trade

37:02

down more if it's May on the board.

37:04

I think, don't get too cute. Just take me. That's

37:07

my own personal opinion of what they should do.

37:09

It's only April second. I would not be shocked

37:12

if, like JJ McCarthy's

37:14

name gets mentioned in this they

37:16

are three instead of TI.

37:17

I think so now it doesn't not feel like a Patriots bucky.

37:21

Our colleague here had him,

37:23

I believe, in the top three and had May

37:26

falling like out of the top ten

37:28

recently or something crazy.

37:30

Drake May is a fascinating player

37:32

because his first season as

37:34

a starter, his second one at UNC because he sat

37:36

behind Sam Howe's first year was incredible,

37:40

and then he loses Josh Downs,

37:42

he loses you know, his offensive

37:44

play caller. I thought the environment was

37:46

really pediphil this year, and it's really highlighted

37:49

in some situational numbers.

37:51

I mean, he had seventy six snaps

37:53

this season just dropbacks in third

37:55

and seven plus situations. By

37:58

comparison, Jayden Daniels only

38:00

had thirty nine of those. Kayleb

38:04

Williams. JJ McCarthy had fifty eight

38:06

of those, and he actually had thirty six occasions

38:08

of third and eleven plus situation, So that means

38:11

his team lost yards on first and second down

38:13

and needed to try to carry them out in those

38:15

third down And look, it is on my

38:17

radar, Greg that all these

38:19

former NFL quarterbacks that know way more

38:21

about football than I ever will and

38:24

Chris Sims, Jgo Sullivan, Kurt

38:26

Warner, whoever you want to talk about, are

38:29

down on Drake May like they

38:31

are legit nervous about him missing layups,

38:34

about mechanics and all this type of stuff. But

38:36

I go back to what you mentioned earlier where

38:39

we written like we didn't even see Jade

38:41

Daniels have like twenty five thirty

38:43

touchdowns until his fifty year of playing

38:45

college football. You can say the same thing about

38:47

Boonix. You can say the same thing basically about Michael

38:50

Pennox. Right, Drake May's

38:52

first and second years were just as productive

38:55

as those two. So just imagine if he had

38:57

two or three more years of college football,

38:59

if he was able to iron out some of those

39:01

mechanics issues or understanding

39:04

coverages and seeing blitz packages, so and

39:06

so forth.

39:06

So like to me this on

39:09

those eighteen year olds when he was twenty

39:11

four, it'd be like the guy at the YMCA playing

39:13

against kids.

39:14

And that's what makes this year of quarterback

39:17

analysis. I think so interesting is because you

39:19

literally have guys who played for five years

39:22

versus comparing them to played for one or

39:24

two years at a position that is obviously the most

39:26

important influe.

39:27

You'd have Jacoby Brissette, which is about

39:29

as good of a backup or

39:31

fringe starter as you'd want in that situation. Like, do

39:33

you see Drake May as like a weak one out

39:36

there on the field or do you need to work

39:38

with him a little bit and maybe slow cook

39:40

him as a rookie.

39:42

I think he can play immediately. Look,

39:44

I think no matter what you're gonna when

39:47

you're gonna play him, you're gonna have to kind of live and

39:49

die by these looky

39:51

plays at times. But again, he

39:53

might ruin a drive here or

39:56

there. But at the same time he's going to make some

39:58

crazy, insane plays

40:01

that few other quarterbacks can't. He loses

40:03

his brain a few times, but sometimes in

40:05

the best way possible and sometimes in the worst way possible.

40:07

Right. I think there's a lot of similarities between him

40:09

and Caleb Williams, and I think it was a good

40:13

debate between the two of them for much

40:15

of the season. But you see

40:17

May and you just see the size

40:21

and the right

40:24

to me's he's not Josh Allen

40:26

because as a prospect, they're very

40:28

different. But seeing him in such

40:30

a difficult situation that Drake

40:32

may had to overcome, you can project that forward

40:35

to a situation like the Commanders

40:37

will be in, like the Patriots will be in, and

40:39

I think he excelled at those and you do

40:41

see him doing some next level

40:43

and quarterback protection

40:47

changes and going through his like

40:49

doing all the quarterback he stuff that

40:51

gets you excited, and just crazy,

40:53

crazy athleticism as a thrower,

40:56

as a runner, just like everything

40:59

that I think you would want as a college

41:01

prospect. And to me, if

41:03

he was in last year's draft, there was like a good chance

41:06

he'd go over Bryce Young and CJ.

41:08

Stroud And yet now he's in this class

41:10

and he might go third. But I kind of don't

41:12

buy everything that's been coming out. I think

41:14

it's just I think it's just chatter.

41:17

I think it's just talk. I think the majority

41:19

of teams, you know, it's different flavors,

41:21

but the majority of teams would would have him

41:23

a strong number two.

41:25

Two quick things. I would put him after

41:28

the Bryce Stroud Richardson

41:30

group and then number two on

41:33

Twitter. Actually, I was able to sit

41:35

down with Colt McCoy and Drake May and

41:37

go through one of his full games during Super Bowl

41:39

Week, And that video is out there on Twitter

41:42

if people want to watch it.

41:44

It's him breaking down his own tape. It was against

41:46

Syracuse and yeah, those protection plans,

41:49

blitz packages, fading away.

41:50

From pressure, looks, all of it.

41:51

He was able to outline and diagnose

41:54

it all and kind of talk us through it. So it was really

41:56

enlightening experience. And so I'm obviously a bit biased

41:58

because I certainly was not able to do that with Kayleb

42:00

Williams or Jane Daniels or whoever else.

42:03

I named my son after

42:05

Colt McCoy, So I'm quite jealous

42:07

that you have had this sit down with one of my favorite

42:09

n all show of them.

42:12

We get one day, Mark, maybe we can,

42:14

you know, exchange numbers here

42:16

and you and Colt McCoy could just have

42:18

your own episode of the show, just the two of you.

42:20

Oh I would, I would this show.

42:22

We're not going to try to help you out, yes, like

42:25

to have Colt McCoy. All

42:27

right, well, we'll move on and we will pick up the speed

42:29

for the next seven picks.

42:32

But look, the top three is exciting,

42:34

and I still just go back to what Drake Maye did

42:37

as a freshman. Technically had played, you

42:39

know, but as a red shirt freshman is

42:41

outrageous. Uh

42:43

in the acc having the season that he had,

42:46

and so if you put that sort of tape out there, that

42:48

is possible. Uh, And I would

42:50

be very excited if he was a new Land Patriot. We're gonna take quick

42:52

break. We'll come back with pick number four. All

42:56

right, Josh

42:58

H. Norris, we are back from the

43:00

break. You have the fourth

43:02

overall pick, and unless any trades are coming,

43:04

I think you're ready to go.

43:06

I mean, it's not just that the phones are humming

43:08

at Arizona Cardinals headquarters.

43:11

Monte asen Fort is also on the phone.

43:14

The man loves to make a trade, as we saw

43:16

last year where he traded back

43:18

in the draft from what pick number

43:20

three, then back again forward to go

43:22

and get Paris Johnson junior.

43:26

The Minnesota Vikings, as I outlined, this

43:28

is the team that their entire

43:31

offseason has been built towards

43:33

drafting a quarterback. They have picks

43:35

eleven and pick twenty three.

43:37

We can throw in a first rounder as well on top

43:40

of that next year. And I

43:42

mean, I think the Arizona Cardinals, it's very clear

43:44

they have their quarterback and they need to bulk

43:46

up and build up in a whole bunch of other places,

43:49

and so a deal is going to get done.

43:51

Wow Wow.

43:53

I mean, I also don't consider that surprising

43:55

at all because the Vikings are a completely positioned

43:57

to do it.

43:58

Let's hear what they do. We

44:03

have a trade.

44:06

We just heard it.

44:06

Arizona Cardinals are trading the fourth pick

44:09

to the Minnesota Vikings and selecting No,

44:12

we heard all that, but yeah, but

44:14

doesn't he rehash it?

44:15

You know, just seven? Come on, man, I'm playing.

44:17

With selecting

44:20

Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy.

44:22

This is, though, contingent that

44:26

I believe Mark is up next, that Montia

44:28

support can then get on the phone with Mark Sessler

44:30

and work on a deal with potential game.

44:32

We'll deal with that. We'll see how that goes. Yeah,

44:35

that may or may not happen.

44:37

But JJ McCarthy, as

44:39

we've talked about situations, there wasn't

44:41

a better one in all of college football last

44:44

year. And just to outline some of those numbers,

44:47

he only had ninety one attempts in the fourth quarter.

44:49

Last year only thirty eight attempts in the entire

44:51

second half. But this

44:54

offense was really built on being super

44:56

productive on first and second down running the football

44:59

and then when they need and if you go and watch his

45:01

like third and five plus plays when it was

45:03

pure obvious throwing situations,

45:06

I thought JJ McCarthy maybe had

45:08

the best look of any quarterback in

45:10

this draft class. And you talk about

45:13

deep play action under center, where all

45:15

of these Shanahan McVeigh

45:17

coaching tree and flight callers are

45:19

coming from. Obviously Kevin O'Connell loves

45:21

to do that. JJ McCarthy was really

45:23

really good in those scenarios. So in some ways

45:26

it's a plug and play approach. Or if

45:28

you want to sit and learn understand Darno for

45:30

a little bit, you've got that one too.

45:31

I love the landing spot, and I think the only

45:34

thing that I kind of suspect is that over the

45:36

next you know, three plus weeks, that

45:39

JJ McCarthy might go up a spot.

45:41

I really think he could be picked before some

45:43

of these other guys.

45:44

I really do.

45:45

I also think there's there's the Jim harbod

45:47

like has hyped him up and everything, But It's like, I really

45:50

like believe that this is like what the Vikings

45:52

are gonna heat seeking a quarterback.

45:55

I don't know if they'd have a problem getting here at

45:57

number four versus maybe even higher up

45:59

with the Patriots, but this is a perfect landing spot

46:01

for JJ McCarthy.

46:02

Just love that all these guys are so athletic.

46:04

I mean, JJ McCarthy is like a freak athlete.

46:07

And you know, I look

46:09

at you, Josh, and I think Panthers Panthers

46:11

fan, and I think when Cam Newton comes into

46:14

the league, it's like, none of these guys are

46:16

Cam Newton. To be clear, he was a

46:18

unicorn, but it was like one

46:21

guy like that with a great

46:23

athleticism would come in, you know,

46:25

every few right, it changed

46:27

the league, like and it would be every five years

46:29

or something at most someone like that.

46:32

And none of them are quite

46:34

Cam. Yet they're all like it

46:37

better than they're better

46:39

than like the second or third in terms

46:42

of athleticism then the like the second

46:44

or third most athletic quarterback from fifteen years

46:46

ago, literally all of them. And McCarthy is one of those

46:48

guys too, So it'd be fun to see him in a McConnell

46:50

offense. All right, now are in O'Connell offense. You

46:52

have the fifth pick here, Mark, and apparently

46:55

you're going to get a trade proposal. We've heard

46:57

some buzz from from the garden.

46:59

I mean, Mark, yes, if Monte

47:01

Austen for it, gives that cell phone a call.

47:03

This team, before this trade already

47:06

had the twenty seventh pick in the first round, the

47:08

third pick of the second round, the second pick

47:10

of the third round, the seventh pick of the third round,

47:13

the twenty sixth pick of the third round. The Cardinals

47:15

are loaded, right, so why not allow

47:17

them to move back up here from Marvin

47:19

Harrison Junior and get and get

47:22

Kyler Murray an alpha wide receiver.

47:24

I have one. It's an attractive attempt.

47:27

It's an attractive logical offer,

47:30

and I think that the Chargers all along,

47:32

especially if one of those quarterbacks slipped beyond

47:34

number four, which I don't think will happen. They are

47:36

a very prime target location and I

47:39

could see them being tempted

47:41

by it. But I also look at a team

47:44

that right now is trying to float to their fan

47:46

base and to other teams that Josh

47:48

Palmer and a wait

47:50

and see Quentin Johnson.

47:52

Are your lead wideouts. I

47:54

don't like that at all.

47:55

I don't think they went into the offseason planning

47:58

to move on from Mike Willilliams and then

48:00

have the Keenan Allen thing happened the way that it did.

48:02

I mean, that's just can't be where you're going into

48:04

this year.

48:05

And we know there's other wideouts and stuff, but under

48:09

I like the same way with the Patriots.

48:11

Let's hear what they do.

48:15

With the fifth pick for the twenty twenty four

48:17

around the NFL Mock Draft, the Los Angeles

48:20

Chargers select.

48:22

Marvin Harrison Junior. Who

48:25

I mean, who has better

48:27

eyes on what this player is than Michigan's

48:30

Jim Harbaugh, Like he absolutely understands

48:33

what he is. I mean, there are he's quoted

48:35

out there as glowing over Marvin Harrison. I think

48:37

there's this idea that they're not gonna take a

48:39

wide out, They're gonna move on, They're gonna do something else. It's

48:41

like, why do you not take first

48:43

of all NFL bloodlines? It just starts and ends

48:45

with me on that, and it's the perfect

48:48

Justin Herbert tandem piece right

48:50

there. I don't know, it just feels like it's foolish

48:52

to overthink this one with this particular

48:55

player.

48:55

I think, depending on the offer, if

48:58

they would be ten, did

49:01

to move down, you know, to a team like

49:03

the Cardinals at eleven, still getting a

49:05

good pick in this draft, just

49:07

because it's their first year there,

49:10

and it's like, can we, like the Cardinals

49:12

are trying to do, can we get a bunch of

49:14

our guys to reset our

49:17

program? But Harrison

49:20

is a seems as a safe and exciting

49:23

and explosive a prospect

49:25

as you know you could possibly want at

49:28

wide receiver. I just love like the

49:30

ball skills, and people have just almost gotten

49:32

bored looking for like little

49:34

negatives and it's tough. I don't

49:37

think he plays like Clarry Fitzgerald, but

49:39

he reminds me of Fitzgerald just

49:41

in the way that everything well, just that he's

49:44

the most bulletproof prospect

49:46

since Fitzgerald. And I don't

49:48

think it's just hindsight that now we look back

49:50

and say, well, yeah, that Fitzgerald take was right.

49:52

It was like there's only been a few of those guys. Joe

49:55

Thomas was one, Fitzgerald is

49:57

another that like going into everyone everyone

50:00

and decided like Hall of Fame

50:02

is sort of the over under for this guy. And I

50:04

feel like Marvin Harrison is that guy too, And for

50:06

him to be there at five that stuff to pen i'ld bee like disappointing

50:09

if he isn't a Hall of Famer or like talking

50:12

about that's like unfair even to

50:14

say. But yeah, pro Boiler, I mean that sort

50:16

of guy where it's just it's almost campus.

50:18

Yeah, he's a prototypical X Y receiver.

50:21

And remember like when Chip Kelly and I this is Hardball's,

50:23

you know, second term in the NFL. Remember when

50:25

Chip Kelly came into the league and he

50:27

basically drafted or signed

50:30

any player that crushed the Oregon Ducks.

50:32

Right, Obviously, Marvin Harrison Junior

50:35

putting five catches for one hundred and eighteen yards

50:37

in a touchdown just on this team last year, and that was without

50:39

C. J.

50:40

Stroud.

50:40

I will say, I think the big dilemma here with the Chargers,

50:43

and I agree with you Mark where I think people

50:45

are taking the Hey, we got

50:47

rid of Mike Williams and Keenan Allen,

50:50

and that means we're just not going to use Justin Herbert. We're

50:52

not going to throw the football they're taking that way too

50:54

far. I think more so it's

50:56

hey, we want to get younger and

50:59

faster at the position and healthier.

51:01

And the defensive players are the ones

51:03

that were willing to rework their deal, and the wide

51:05

receivers were not. But I think the big

51:07

delima here with the Chargers is, hey, do we find

51:09

our do we trade down and find our right tackle or

51:12

do we take one of these alpha wide receivers?

51:13

And it can go either direction. I like this move.

51:17

I did too.

51:19

The Giants are next up number six,

51:21

off for stands. What offer

51:24

from the Arizona Cardinals

51:27

pick eleven? Okay,

51:29

and pick twenty seven for pick

51:31

six?

51:34

That's intriguing. I mean the Giants

51:36

obviously are open to moving up and down the board. They were

51:38

just you know, embarrassed by the Patriots

51:40

organization.

51:41

You look at what the Giants you

51:44

know, have at wide receiver, and

51:46

again, I think it matches up pretty

51:48

well with what they need.

51:50

And I've seen people of decide

51:53

it's like, okay, they could be trading up for a quarterback,

51:55

you know, would they want to go tackle?

51:58

They just sign you know, Jermaine, but

52:00

he could play guard, Like you're not

52:02

giving him too much money or anything like that. And

52:05

I'm like, hello, their number one

52:07

receiver is still Jalen Hyatt

52:09

or Wandel Robinson's like, you've got a bunch

52:11

of like fun pieces there

52:14

that's been their receiver group for a while, Slate, and

52:16

you've never had even anyone

52:18

close to a guy, and you got a couple of guys on

52:20

the board. And yet I

52:22

actually think it'd be smart to take that trade.

52:25

This is a team that needs so many things

52:27

that I'm gonna do it with you, Josh, I'm gonna

52:29

take those picks.

52:34

The Arizona Cardinals are trading back

52:36

up to the number six spot and selecting.

52:42

Well, now you're the Cardinals. I don't even know we're

52:46

taking my league neighbors. Yeah, I thought

52:49

you were the Cardinals. Now in this scenario,

52:51

it sort of breaks my brain that we're trading

52:53

from outside the top ten. We're only going to top ten. Doesn't

52:55

matter. Uh Man, talk to me you,

52:58

I know you like to do the wide receiver breakdowns.

53:01

Just what was watching the Neighbors tape?

53:04

Like? For you?

53:05

What if I told you this is like jetpack

53:07

braindon nyuk? Would that be that'd be interesting

53:10

for a wide receiver prospect.

53:13

I will say his length isn't as great, so like

53:15

contest situation is not as good. But if

53:17

we're talking about a guy who can already

53:19

run routes, who already anytime

53:21

he has the ball in his hands can turn it into

53:23

an explosive, game changing play, who's

53:26

I think twenty or almost twenty one years old,

53:29

like Molik Neighbors is something

53:31

special. He forced the fourth most mistackles

53:35

this season, and he was the only one

53:37

of that top four who had an a dot beyond eight

53:39

yards down the field. In fact, his average

53:41

up the target was twelve yards down the

53:43

field. Despite all those

53:45

force miss tackles, he only had fourteen spring

53:47

catches, so it's not like these were easy targets. They

53:50

were intermediate, they were down the field.

53:52

I mean, you guys have heard the whispers

53:54

that some teams have him

53:57

as the wide receiver one. I

54:00

will say I prefer Marvin Harrison Junior. But they

54:02

basically had the same amount of explosive

54:05

places fifteen plusure gains.

54:06

Over the last two years.

54:07

And it's really easy and enticing to

54:09

fall in love with the guy who catches

54:12

a slant like Odell Beckham and then runs it for

54:14

five yards for a touchdown, you know.

54:16

And he led the what he led college football

54:18

last year in the twenty plus yard catches to your point,

54:20

breaking tackles, you know, at

54:23

depth of field there And just like

54:26

the team before them, they absolutely

54:28

need a wide receiver Arizona, Like you can't go into

54:30

this season with what they have. And so I think it's a

54:32

sensible trade up for a star type

54:34

player, right, and.

54:35

He'd be the wide receiver one in many

54:38

years, even some strong years.

54:40

It is. It is fine. I do wonder

54:42

like how much does did

54:45

Joe Burrow experience help Jaden Daniels

54:47

that, Like there was this feeling it's like, man, he's

54:50

throwing a Jason justin

54:52

Jefferson.

54:53

Is he he?

54:55

Is he really that good? And then it turned out yeah,

54:57

actually everyone can be good. That that's

54:59

totally possible. And so and now you

55:01

look at LSU now and and Neighbors

55:04

and their receivers and you're like, Jane or

55:06

because because the catches some of the catches Neighbors

55:09

makes or are just outrageous, and you give

55:11

Daniel's credit for getting the ball there on time,

55:13

but Neighbors feels to me like a

55:16

safer prospect. I guess I would put it, and that

55:18

makes sense. Receivers are generally safer at

55:21

this part of the draft in quarterbacks, but he's

55:23

another one that it really feels like, can't

55:26

miss. Uh. Let's go to the the seventh

55:28

pick the Tennessee Titans, which I think is, you know,

55:31

one of the picks that now

55:33

we're getting into the portion of the draft where it it's

55:35

a lot more of a mystery, the

55:38

Tennessee Titans. Let's go.

55:45

The Tennessee Titans select with

55:47

the seventh overall pick of the twenty twenty

55:50

four round the NFL Mock Draft.

55:52

Their Dame left tackle Joe

55:55

alt Uh.

55:56

This is an intriguing situation because Roma Dunes is still

55:58

on the board and I felt like prior to

56:00

for Agency, this was basically

56:02

the recreation of the Cincinnati

56:05

Bengals meme that we had. This

56:07

is Joe Burrow with Piney Seoul throwing

56:09

to anyone down the field, or this is Joe

56:12

Burrow throwing to Jamar Chase while

56:14

being blocked by no one and getting sacked if

56:16

you remember that meme. I feel like I'm seeing

56:19

stars and so this is just a section of Twitter

56:21

that I occupy.

56:22

And Mark does not.

56:23

Anyways, Brian

56:26

Callahan was obviously on that Cincinnati Bengals

56:28

staff, and at that time they chose the playmaker.

56:30

They chose the wide receiver instead of

56:32

the offensive lineman. However, the Calvin

56:34

Ridthy deals certainly puts me in the scenario

56:37

in the path of Hey, we

56:39

added Lloyd Cushion Bari at center. Pieter Skronsky

56:41

played really well left gar last year. We literally

56:44

do not have a left tackle on this roster, and

56:46

so Joe Walt, who might have some Nate

56:49

Solder like comparison, steps in here as our

56:51

left tack.

56:52

I love it.

56:53

I mean, we had Grave Digger, our former producer, on and

56:55

he last week and he predicted

56:58

the same that this was the perfect fit

57:00

for them. And you can see certain Titans fans

57:02

of a certain ilk not thinking it's kind of

57:04

a sexy enough pick when you could have gotten one of these wide

57:07

receivers. But their quarterbacks

57:09

were shattered behind that offensive line in years

57:11

past since like as many issues

57:13

as they had it wide out, the same was true of their line,

57:15

and this seems like an incredibly reliable player. Their

57:18

best off offseason move was getting Bill Callahan,

57:20

and so you get Bill Callahan the tools

57:23

to succeed, and I think he can make the rest of the offensive

57:25

line like sixty percent better than it's.

57:26

Been, right because All is very, very athletic

57:28

and would fit well in that system.

57:31

I think really improved in

57:34

his last season at Notre Dame.

57:37

It does, you know, part of me if I'm a

57:39

Titans fan, It's like it's a tricky spot

57:41

because is there that huge

57:43

of a gap between All and a really

57:46

great tackle class that's behind them?

57:49

Maybe not as much as you you would want, But

57:52

will a tackle be there in the second

57:54

round when they pick again that they want. No,

57:56

probably not, because like all these guys are gonna

57:58

come off the board, So they're just in like a a weird

58:00

spot where I'd personally be tempted to take

58:02

a doomsday But it totally would

58:05

make sense if if they take Joe

58:07

All before we wrap up the

58:10

end of this draft, we're gonna take one final

58:12

break be back right after this. All

58:15

right, we are back and the Atlanta Falcons

58:18

are up next. I don't

58:21

think anyone's traded into this spot at this point.

58:23

Or.

58:25

Are we can we can find out.

58:31

With the eighth overall pick of the twenty twenty

58:33

four, around the NFL mock Draft, the

58:35

Atlanta Falcons select.

58:38

Dallas Turner edge out of

58:40

Alabama.

58:41

Oh yeah, I mean they've had their offensive

58:43

is set to go, and like they obviously they've

58:46

over the past couple of years added so much

58:48

weaponry and it's a good setup for Kirk

58:50

Cousins. Their defense needs help

58:52

all over the place. I almost went Terry on

58:54

Arnold here, just because I think, like, if you're this

58:57

new coaching staff, like you do need to build

58:59

some find some foundational pieces on defense.

59:02

They have had that Jonathan abramccurse, where

59:04

like they've not really been able to rush the passer

59:06

for like four thousand eons. Uh, Dallas

59:09

Turner is the clear front position

59:11

player at the edge. There's it's like it's not the greatest

59:13

class for that. I think it's an absolute

59:16

need filler. It gives you

59:18

something to build around. And this is the guy i'd pick.

59:20

I don't, I don't.

59:20

I think I see he's also being mocked to them in like every

59:22

single mock draft, and it's like, if you

59:25

can get the best edge rusher at number eight,

59:27

that's that's in other years that would never even be

59:29

possible.

59:30

It is do you are you actually surprised,

59:32

Josh, there's not more excitement

59:36

Oh not that there's not more excitement over Dallas

59:38

Turner if he ends up being the first defensive

59:40

player, But to me, he would seem like a guy

59:43

his profile, his production, his

59:46

lineage certainly is his

59:48

numbers as a guy that actually

59:50

would be talked about, is like could could he get

59:52

taken higher in this in this draft?

59:56

You know, it reminds me just from a big

59:59

picture draft perspect of when

1:00:01

we had you know, Trevor Lawrence, Zach

1:00:03

Wilson, Trey Lance, mac

1:00:05

Jones, justin fields where there's like so much conversation

1:00:08

about the quarterbacks and also that ears like DeVante

1:00:11

Smith's, Jalen Wattle and a bunch of wide receivers

1:00:13

where also in that draft it was what Patrick'surtan,

1:00:16

it was Michael Parsons.

1:00:18

Parsons, you know, falling out of the top ten.

1:00:21

Right.

1:00:21

So to the point of

1:00:24

am I surprise that there's not more buzz or more noise

1:00:26

about it? I just think like the quarterback and wide receiver

1:00:29

conversations are just dominating the

1:00:31

entire conversation here. I'm just happy

1:00:33

that Grady Jarret gets a little bit of help, because it's felt like he

1:00:35

has carried this defense for like a decade at

1:00:38

this point. Yeah, and it's had like a

1:00:40

single other person to rush the passer in that time.

1:00:42

And they haven't had any additions

1:00:44

on defense really in the off season either.

1:00:46

To me, I don't know if that's tipping

1:00:48

their hand a little bit or just

1:00:51

surprising to me that Raheem Morris wouldn't go

1:00:53

in there. But I don't know. I guess I would

1:00:56

need to really break it

1:00:58

down more. But I've watched some Dallas Turner and to me,

1:01:00

it's exciting, Like I don't see why he's

1:01:02

like that much of a work, like a different

1:01:04

prospect than Will Anderson, who was a guy who ended up

1:01:06

getting traded up for in the top three.

1:01:09

To me, it seems like they're they're similar, and

1:01:11

that makes me very happy, as you

1:01:13

know, standing in for Ryan Poles, because I

1:01:16

had a couple offers ready as

1:01:19

Ryan Poles, and I know Bears fans don't think they're

1:01:23

going to do this to possibly trade up, but the

1:01:25

way this draft fell with

1:01:27

JJ McCarthy going fourth and

1:01:30

and Dounza is still sitting

1:01:32

there at seven, I didn't think it was necessary to trade.

1:01:34

Up with

1:01:39

the ninth overall pick of the twenty twenty four Around

1:01:41

the NFL Mock Draft, the Chicago Bears select.

1:01:44

Rome A Dunza. I love

1:01:46

it wide receiver, and I

1:01:49

don't think it's crazy for the Bears to think about trading

1:01:51

up for a Donza or if it neighbors

1:01:53

winds up being wide receiver three, which no one expects

1:01:55

at this point, just two or three spots to complete

1:01:58

that offense. And there's a lot of talk of well,

1:02:01

if they get to this point of the draft, do they take

1:02:03

the hot, highest edge rusher or

1:02:06

the highest tackle. And I'm thinking,

1:02:08

like man, there are three

1:02:10

great wide receivers in this class, and

1:02:13

getting Keenan Allen does not mean you do not

1:02:15

need a wide receiver. He's on a one year contract and he's

1:02:18

thirty two. That may work out. It will

1:02:21

work out if he stays on the field. I'm confident

1:02:23

in stay in saying that. But he's getting older,

1:02:26

like he had a great year last year.

1:02:28

But it might work out best

1:02:30

for the Bears that he just has one great

1:02:32

season for them and then they move

1:02:34

on and they potentially get a compick

1:02:37

depending on what happens. Like man,

1:02:39

this would be huge to add a

1:02:41

guy that you

1:02:44

know can play outside, and

1:02:46

you can have Keenan Allen and DJ

1:02:48

Morrik on a flip flop playing inside. But Alan,

1:02:51

to me would be at his best, especially

1:02:53

now at this point, it is great he is at his best

1:02:55

in the slot.

1:02:56

And you'd have to say that, like Ryan Poles on

1:02:58

paper would have looked Gene so

1:03:00

over the last two off seasons to do what he's

1:03:02

done, you put your rookie quarterback,

1:03:04

and the Bears have not really found that rookie

1:03:07

quarterback. And for as long as we've been following

1:03:09

the sport, they've been allergic to that. And one

1:03:11

of the biggest stories in the league is what's happened to the NFC

1:03:13

North over the past couple of seasons and how different

1:03:16

the Lions are the Packers. Suddenly there's a

1:03:18

ton of hoope around them and the Bears can't fall

1:03:20

behind. This would put them into the forefront

1:03:22

of that conversation with one of the best wide receiver

1:03:24

groups on paper league.

1:03:25

And I get they do have a pretty

1:03:27

large need at edge and

1:03:30

they're going to try to you know, they don't have a lot of picks

1:03:32

in this draft right now. They're going

1:03:34

to be a candidate to trade down

1:03:36

even if a Dounza isn't there. So I

1:03:39

think pace though, I think it's go time. It's

1:03:42

it's year, you know four for him, and

1:03:45

to me, that is their biggest need. And I don't

1:03:47

think it'd even be crazy for them to trade

1:03:50

like a twenty twenty five pick

1:03:52

to move up to six or seven

1:03:55

or eight if they feel like they have to to

1:03:58

get a Dunza. I don't think tackle

1:04:01

makes sense. They have a good tackle in Braxton

1:04:03

Jones. Like you if you it's like

1:04:05

having a quarterback on a rookie contract,

1:04:08

Like I know, Braxton Jones isn't like an elite

1:04:11

quarterback, but it'd be like if Mac Jones

1:04:13

turned into the best version of Mac Jones and

1:04:15

was just like the twelfth best quarterback in the league,

1:04:17

that rooky contract would have been great. And that's what they have in

1:04:19

Braxton Jones. So don't get don't get cute.

1:04:22

You don't need to take a left tackle there, especially if

1:04:24

it's a deep crop. Forget about it. I'm

1:04:26

preaching to the choir here.

1:04:28

And I think of a Duneesday isn't here, then

1:04:30

it makes total sense two trade down because you

1:04:33

only have picked seventy five and one twenty two after

1:04:35

this after dealing, and I love this. At

1:04:39

points I find myself thinking that teams

1:04:41

should trade more middle or late round picks

1:04:44

for veterans that they're interested in. And

1:04:46

the Bears and Ryan Poles have done this. You know, they made the King

1:04:48

Allen trade. Obviously, Montes what the deadline?

1:04:50

Even?

1:04:50

I think Ryan Bates is gonna be a starting player for them this

1:04:53

year. So yeah, they only have two other picks I think right

1:04:55

now in the top five rounds at the moment.

1:04:56

But their d line is pretty weak for a

1:04:59

team that at.

1:05:00

Build the defense slowly, right is by

1:05:03

a defensive build the defense slowly?

1:05:05

Yeah, and they've looked. They've invested a lot of picks

1:05:08

in the secondary and a lot of money

1:05:10

into linebackers. And then Montes sweat

1:05:13

is there, so they've they certainly haven't left the cover drive

1:05:15

for efos all right. The final pick here

1:05:18

in our top ten mock draft goes to

1:05:20

Josh Norris.

1:05:25

With the tenth pick of the twenty twenty four around

1:05:28

the NFL mock Draft, the New York Jets

1:05:30

select Hello, oh

1:05:33

there's.

1:05:33

A little bit off.

1:05:34

Oh oh, look who we have here.

1:05:36

Oh wow, a little bit hands this

1:05:38

action, a little bit of a production value for

1:05:40

our YouTube listeners. He showed

1:05:43

up Dan Hansis, who amazingly doesn't

1:05:45

actually have in his phone, but he just showed a

1:05:47

picture of Dan that he could find on the internet.

1:05:50

So that's good.

1:05:51

All right, It is over, Okay.

1:05:53

I know so many people want to project

1:05:56

Rock Bowers to this selection, but

1:05:59

I am bring in an offensive lineman

1:06:01

and Troy Faltano here because

1:06:04

I firmly believe that keeping

1:06:07

Aaron Rodgers off the Achilles injury after

1:06:09

just five minutes of action this past season is

1:06:12

priority number one. And they've done

1:06:14

everything they could in some ways in

1:06:16

off season with maybe limited resources, and signing

1:06:19

Tyron Smith to what a one year contract, and making

1:06:21

that deal for Morgan Moses. You know, Tyron Smith

1:06:23

has missed a whole bunch of time despite being a future Hall of Famer.

1:06:26

Morgan Moses, you know, mid thirties

1:06:29

at this point, and we know that Troy Fatano

1:06:31

can play either left guard or even left tackle on

1:06:33

a pinch, or even be the sixth offensive lineman

1:06:35

to start with. And I just think, like heavily investing

1:06:38

in those resources after you've already added Mike

1:06:40

Williams at wide receiver. Is

1:06:43

I think party number one in order for this team to

1:06:45

be competitive and maybe most importantly for these guys,

1:06:47

for Joe Douglas and Robert Sola to keep their jobs

1:06:50

after the season.

1:06:50

Yeah, they can't get too cute here.

1:06:52

And it's just because you know, Makai Beckton

1:06:54

and others that the resources they attempted

1:06:56

to added line didn't work.

1:06:57

You can't just stop.

1:06:58

You got to keep trying because like that, what no, no

1:07:00

matter what happened to Rogers last year, and win it happened, it

1:07:02

would have happened at some point because there was

1:07:04

a shattered offensive line and everything

1:07:06

broke down around it. And so yes,

1:07:08

I love the pick. I would absolutely go tackle here in

1:07:10

a good tackle class.

1:07:11

I know I would. I would wonder if they would

1:07:13

get they just love taking guys.

1:07:16

The Reddick trade actually made me feel better

1:07:18

that like they wouldn't take a

1:07:20

lot too lot too like to me that it wouldn't be a

1:07:22

crazy pick here. I'm a big fan of his,

1:07:24

But now it makes a little less sense with who

1:07:26

they have in the building and where they've used

1:07:28

their picks. They took Jermae Johnson. They took Will McDonald.

1:07:32

That makes sense. Before we let you go, Josh,

1:07:34

we're just gonna do a little quick speed round of just like

1:07:36

one pick you'd like to see it

1:07:39

in a happen in the first round

1:07:41

of the twenty twenty four draft. So we're not doing

1:07:43

the special chimes, the amazing

1:07:46

production value that happens even

1:07:48

without Dan here, But just give us

1:07:50

a pick you'd like to see in the first round

1:07:52

before we go.

1:07:53

Well, I'm going to break the rules and go with pick thirty three,

1:07:56

Okay, Carolyn, a Panther that works selecting Save

1:07:59

your Worthy why receiver out of Texas,

1:08:01

And I understand he's five eleven, one

1:08:03

hundred and sixty five pounds, and that's

1:08:05

a bit of an exception when it comes to wide receivers.

1:08:08

But when you actually go and watch this guy,

1:08:10

he is more than speed. He actually

1:08:13

tries to play through contact. He actually does

1:08:15

try to make, you know, catches outside of

1:08:17

his frame. And sure, because he is a bit frail,

1:08:20

it's easier for corners to you know,

1:08:23

disrupt the catch point or attack his hands.

1:08:26

But man super productive for three

1:08:28

seasons. This speed is something that the Panthers

1:08:31

desperately need. In order for defenses

1:08:33

to not sit about fifteen yards down the field

1:08:35

and be able to drive on everything else. And

1:08:38

while I thought just from his combines, ZA if You're

1:08:40

Worthy was just like purely one of these forty yard dash

1:08:42

wide receivers we've seen in the past, I think his

1:08:44

game kind of transcends that a little bit. And he's really

1:08:46

exciting. He has tank delish, to be honest.

1:08:49

I love that. And yeah, they will

1:08:51

see if Mingo works out. I liked Mingo

1:08:53

come coming out and the pick has not worked,

1:08:57

but it was only a rookie. And you know Josh is

1:08:59

a Panther fan, that's true. Yeah,

1:09:02

one of the only ones left him and David Ealy

1:09:05

in our newsroom, and he was fighting

1:09:07

the good fight. And I was trying to do it too, looking for the

1:09:09

positives and trying.

1:09:10

To remove the

1:09:13

impossible situation.

1:09:14

Bryce Young from the situation

1:09:16

that he was in and see some things. And

1:09:19

then Bryce started making it real hard on us the

1:09:21

last five weeks of the season or so.

1:09:23

But before that was fantastic.

1:09:25

Before that, it wasn't quite as bad as as

1:09:28

people thought. And it's like, okay, now we're

1:09:30

resetting. You got Deontay Johnson. You

1:09:32

definitely need a speed threat like Deontay Johnson.

1:09:34

Was one of the best moves of the offseason, and yet it

1:09:36

does not make an entire wide receiver

1:09:39

group. What's what's one for you? Mark?

1:09:41

I am looking for like a

1:09:43

team where I think this player just kind of could

1:09:46

fall to and kind of fits. I know that he's twenty

1:09:48

three years old, and there's a lot of questions about Michael

1:09:50

Pennix junior in terms of some of zaccuracy and

1:09:52

stuff. But Michael Pennick Junior to

1:09:54

the Las Vegas Raiders, I mean I I

1:09:56

think that Lay along with the Broncos, are like

1:09:59

not the Broncos overtly. I'm surprised

1:10:01

we didn't have any sort of trade scenario with them to get

1:10:03

a quarterback. The Raiders don't

1:10:06

seem as keen on trading up for someone,

1:10:08

but someone like this that falls to them and a

1:10:11

little bit less pressure on the whole situation. I

1:10:13

think he's an interesting player, and I think like him in a

1:10:15

Raiders' uniform would be a fascinating

1:10:18

watch.

1:10:18

I had a theory with the Vikings trade into the

1:10:21

first round that it was partly about their

1:10:25

belief in all the quarter

1:10:27

not maybe at all, but the depth that yes,

1:10:29

it could be about JJ McCarthy, but

1:10:32

maybe it's also that they're

1:10:35

more comfortable than we think

1:10:37

taking a guy like Pennix or Nicks,

1:10:40

even with that second first round pick something like that, that

1:10:42

they just thought the depth was enough that we're going to

1:10:44

get someone we liked there. But if

1:10:46

Pennix goes off the board of the Raiders, then they would

1:10:48

not be able to take him.

1:10:49

Greg. I think that's a great point when you consider.

1:10:52

Other quarterback classes, like fifth

1:10:55

or six quarterbacks you're talking about,

1:10:57

like Jacob Eason or

1:11:00

Kyle Trask, or like Matt

1:11:02

Carral, like the Michael Pennix

1:11:04

bo Nixes of the world, are so

1:11:07

many tiers and levels above those guys

1:11:10

that it really does put in perspective how good this quarterback

1:11:12

class can be.

1:11:13

Okay, I'm I'm gonna throw one pick out.

1:11:15

I'm torn. Maybe I'll just do two because

1:11:18

I'll cheat. This is what you can do. You've gotta go

1:11:20

last. When you've got the uh,

1:11:22

when you've got the uh power

1:11:25

of this chair, it's just intoxic.

1:11:27

I'm gonna give Cooper dejene to the to the Packers

1:11:30

because I don't want to give him to the Chiefs because

1:11:32

I feel like the Chiefs will take him and then suddenly

1:11:34

he'll be a second team All Pro in like

1:11:36

two years. It's like, wait, how did this guy fall? I

1:11:39

know, he's not like he's a cornerback.

1:11:41

He's clearly you

1:11:43

know, has some versatility, but he's

1:11:46

a cornerback. He's extremely athletic. And

1:11:48

I'm getting Kyle Hamilton vibes when I

1:11:50

watch him and everything that happened, which is like, wait,

1:11:52

are we overthinking it here? I know Hamilton

1:11:54

only felt to pick fourteen, but you

1:11:57

look at some of the players that went in front of him. They you

1:11:59

know, Jordan Dave one in front of him, those

1:12:01

two tackles that everyone thought were just can't

1:12:03

miss, but they both ended up stinking. So far

1:12:06

went in front of them. And Cooper Degene

1:12:08

gives me those vibes maybe at a little bit of a lower

1:12:11

level, that like he is going to be a

1:12:13

different maybe at the best cornerback in this class.

1:12:16

And I just look at teams that could use him later in

1:12:18

the first round. Packers and Chiefs both

1:12:20

come to mind. So I'm going to give them to the Packers,

1:12:22

and I'm also gonna just you know, for the hell of it, give

1:12:25

Lad McConkey to Lamar Jackson.

1:12:27

Let's just get more guys that can get open.

1:12:28

Can I throw in one more really quick?

1:12:30

Sure? What does it matter if we make rules

1:12:32

there? You know it's a podcast.

1:12:35

A Rock Bowers to the

1:12:37

Cincinnati Bengals would be fascinating.

1:12:38

That'd be fine. The need that he was.

1:12:41

Basically Georgia's slot wide receiver. He saw

1:12:43

all their screens, he saw all their slot work that

1:12:45

wasn't Laden mcconkee. He was more of the outside wide receiver.

1:12:48

And obviously that team unless you want to put

1:12:50

like Charlie Jones or Alec Erickson or whoever in

1:12:53

there for the Bengals, they haven't really filled in for

1:12:55

Tyler Boyd yet, and so going all

1:12:57

in with that selection of Brock Bowers this year would

1:12:59

be really.

1:12:59

Really if he's available, He's such a Bengals

1:13:02

pick. They're they're very much take the name

1:13:04

brand guy that's still on the board.

1:13:07

They had like seventy height end catches last

1:13:09

year and it was missing from their offense.

1:13:11

So I love that. That would be fun. This would

1:13:13

this was fun. Josh Everyone

1:13:16

check out Josh at Underdog

1:13:18

like I said, killing the game, killing

1:13:20

the YouTube game. Any

1:13:23

final words for.

1:13:24

You, Josh, gentlemen,

1:13:27

phone will be next to my ear anytime you need me.

1:13:29

Okay.

1:13:30

I always love joining you guys. You guys are the best.

1:13:33

I don't think Dan takes another vacation for a

1:13:35

while, but you know he

1:13:37

does. You know, well, yeah, because your cold war is

1:13:39

not ending apparently anything.

1:13:41

We'll compare schedules, guys, We'll compare schedules.

1:13:43

All right. Thank you to John

1:13:45

yours. Thank you to Roger

1:13:47

Goodell slash Eric

1:13:49

Roberts, buying the glass. Randy

1:13:51

Chavez's been a pleasure. We can

1:13:54

handle this week, Mark. We can do this without our

1:13:56

leader.

1:13:56

I think we can too, But I think when Dan returns, we're

1:13:58

gonna have to, you know, suggest that it was and

1:14:00

unproductive in a step down.

1:14:02

I am excited. Patrick Claiban

1:14:04

is going to join us on Thursday. So

1:14:07

yeah, we're doing two shows this week, just like last

1:14:09

week, and then we are gonna start

1:14:11

cranking back up with more shows

1:14:14

next week. We'll be back to our three shows a

1:14:16

week schedule until

1:14:18

Thursday.

1:14:19

Though.

1:14:20

We gotta check out if there's any more Patrick Claiban

1:14:23

song submissions for

1:14:25

Josh for Eric, for Mark, go

1:14:28

ahead, keep the call,