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1:01

Been to lot of races. Yeah no, that was

1:03

one of the. Air. Was the most

1:06

well organized start finish. Just an environment

1:08

that I've ever been parts such a

1:10

refined group as by raising great mood.

1:12

Ah it was. It was unreal. But

1:14

then you had like. You. Had

1:16

this crazy variety that you wouldn't normally

1:18

get at at normal race. Yeah yeah

1:20

because you had Jelly Roll their who

1:22

has that? This V Nom had you

1:24

guys there that. People. Been foreign

1:27

you along on your fitness journey? yes

1:29

sure and so that has given inspired

1:31

so many people so is like this

1:33

is just as weird. That.

1:35

Are no is and then you dare and

1:37

most absurd your friend knows forgot her name

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chat chat was a cat bradley who is

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awesome I am resisted she was has a

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creepy when i go and meet or nice

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your own should reserve so by i follow

1:48

on his to room she said well i

1:51

were follow lot of ultra marathon or like

1:53

why though it never. A

1:55

though she was awesome! Yeah, what what

1:58

I would say about those? Go! because

2:00

I really love training with Kat, Courtney, Sally

2:02

McRae, I don't know if you guys know

2:04

her. Yeah, I know Sally. She's Yellow Runner.

2:07

Yeah. Those girls, it's weird

2:09

because guys, we have these egos, we always

2:11

wanna talk about we're badasses or

2:13

like show that we're tough. They

2:15

are so fucking tough, but

2:19

they trick you because they're so cool,

2:21

chill. Cause like Ultra Runner girls are

2:23

kind of little, like kind of free,

2:25

not hippies, but kind of free spirit.

2:28

But then just complete savages when it comes

2:30

to like running in the mountains

2:32

and you're like a guy, he

2:35

will wanna break you and know that, and

2:37

you know that that's kind of the deal with men.

2:39

Yeah, I'm better than you. It's a test, always a

2:42

test. I broke a bunch of men yesterday. Right,

2:44

exactly. It's fun to when you pass someone and

2:46

then they go, wait, you're passing me? Yeah,

2:48

I know. It's a good feeling. You know what

2:51

that's called, Goggins calls that? Taking

2:53

souls. You

2:56

took souls yesterday. Took a bunch of souls

2:58

on that back fucking last mile. I was

3:00

fucking flying. Where were you at? I was

3:02

flying, I was doing like around an eight

3:04

minute, sub eight minute mile on the down,

3:06

cause it's downhill. And I know my

3:08

stride, I know my pace and I was like, and

3:11

I did 11 the first mile and then

3:13

10 ish. All

3:16

I know is I was at 15 at

3:18

halfway point, girl fell down,

3:21

blew out her knee. And so I sat with her for three minutes and

3:23

I was like, I

3:25

was like, you're fucking up my time. She

3:28

was like, thank you for sitting with me. I was like,

3:31

no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Taylor was a guy filming for

3:33

me and he goes, cause he goes,

3:35

you had a music plant, right? And I go, yeah, I had the

3:37

ear buzzer. He goes, yeah, you ran

3:40

past Jelly Roll. He was like, Tom, I want to finish

3:42

with you. And he goes, he goes, Tom. He

3:45

goes, yeah. Kind of bothered Jelly

3:47

a little bit. I didn't hear anything. You took

3:50

this race so fucking serious. Well,

3:52

here's the thing, man. Okay,

3:54

so I did, I did, my

3:57

sister signed me up for a Turkey Trot Thanksgiving day.

3:59

I was in for Florida. So

4:01

I had no idea really how to prepare and

4:03

there's actually great apps that are like Oh, you

4:05

want to do your first? Yeah, you know so

4:08

to five. Yeah, the 5k thing and it was

4:10

like, you know It starts you off like hey

4:12

run for a minute and then walk for eight

4:14

You know like what but then when you start

4:16

doing week by week, it really does change. Well

4:20

I'm doing it. It's a 10-week program Seven

4:22

weeks out. I break my big

4:24

toe, right and Basically

4:27

when you break a big toe, they just go it'll hear

4:29

heal in four to six weeks You can't

4:31

run on it. You gotta like so, you

4:33

know the first few weeks I'm just I

4:35

have a more boot for a few days and then

4:37

you're just kind of walking and you're easing into it

4:40

So I heal up like a week before I

4:43

get in a few runs and I'm like, well, I guess I'm doing it

4:46

Thanksgiving day and I do it

4:49

my only goal on Thanksgiving Day was like just

4:51

don't stop Right, like just was it a 5k?

4:53

It was a 5k. Yeah I

4:55

go just don't walk. I

4:58

just want to run and I was trying to keep my pace

5:00

up and I was just you know I was running with this

5:02

group and I ran it in 32

5:06

32 and change and I was like well and my

5:08

only actually my other goal was just to beat my

5:10

best friend From high school who

5:12

was like, I'm a beat your ass. No, you're not

5:14

right From cancer. That

5:16

was a few years ago He's

5:19

I just want to beat this cancer patient. Yeah,

5:21

he's listen he's Fine,

5:24

he's deaf now, but he's fine. So

5:26

I Beat him

5:28

and I was like I made him give me the money

5:30

in front of people I try to humiliate him and then

5:32

you know, it's just being a friend So

5:35

so so my goal coming up to

5:37

this one was like I just

5:39

want to beat my thank you Time. Yeah, and

5:42

I mean look this was like I

5:44

mean, we had a lot of time to do

5:46

it It was you know race race day and

5:48

every time very serious. Well, I mean I do

5:50

rain I well, Jack was telling me I

5:52

think I don't remember if I got to tell you this that

5:55

I was really fascinated that to Really

5:58

get you your heart rate or

6:00

your cardio better. You know, the, what

6:03

everyone tells you, Zach, and like if you read

6:05

the running articles, it's all about like zone two

6:07

training. But when

6:09

your cardio isn't great.

6:13

You're in like zone eight. Bro,

6:15

and the thing is, if you're, so

6:18

what would happen is I go, well, I can run, let's

6:20

say, I feel like I can run

6:22

a casual in my mind, right? Like

6:24

10, 11 minute mile. But what I don't realize

6:26

is when I'm doing that, my heart

6:28

rate is in zone where I have been like, I'm, so

6:31

then I go, well, how do I run zone two? Well,

6:33

I look, I realize I gotta be running like a 13

6:35

minute, and they're like, that's what

6:38

you gotta do. And you gotta do it over time.

6:40

And then over time, the, your

6:43

zone two will take place at a

6:45

lower speed or faster speed, right? So

6:47

at a lower pace. And

6:49

as I'm doing that, I'm like, oh, this sucks.

6:51

Cause it's really shitty feeling to be

6:53

like, I'm running a, this, this

6:55

slow ass mile. So anyways, I'm doing some

6:57

outdoor running, but we're traveling all

6:59

the time. And sometimes we're not in ideal weather

7:02

places or whatever. So I'm doing treadmill too, which

7:04

is different. It's different. You figure

7:06

out later that like, I mean, for me, I

7:08

go like, oh, this is okay. This is easier.

7:10

Like once you go, well, you don't

7:12

have to propel yourself. Right. You

7:14

just go up and it goes like this. It

7:16

works a different set of muscles. Actually, I found that

7:18

out the hard way. Yeah. But I

7:20

only ran treadmill, only ran treadmill. And then I'd go out

7:22

to do a race and I'd be like, oh

7:25

fuck. All I've been doing really is

7:27

catching myself. Yeah. Catching

7:29

myself. So it's all the front muscles,

7:31

all my back muscles, the ones that

7:34

would propel me were underdeveloped. I found

7:36

myself, well, so race starts and first

7:39

of all, having, you know, 10 45 start,

7:41

like yeah, fucking hot. Also

7:44

anxiety is building. Cause you have like, yeah, all

7:47

this time going by like, come on, let's go.

7:49

I put up that clip and people are noticing

7:51

like you were so serious, like in the back

7:53

cause Travis Barker was there, me and Truett and

7:55

you were right there too. And like

7:57

he's checking his watch, you know, getting the head fight.

8:00

Well, somebody came up some press person came up to me and

8:02

they and they're like I go get the fuck out of here

8:05

Yeah, I was trying to focus but

8:08

I also found men like a couple

8:10

minutes into the race Yeah,

8:12

I was like man. This is way

8:14

harder that up early that uphill was like that

8:16

Yeah struggle for me man. It was started off

8:18

uphill slightly and then that little jog we had

8:21

to do. Yeah Yeah, so that that part I

8:23

was like, you know, I we come back down

8:25

but I was like I could I wasn't even

8:28

Looking but I just knew I was like man. My heart

8:30

rate is fucking you never looked at it. I didn't look

8:32

at it It's got to 194. I Don't

8:36

know what you guys just get to but

8:38

because he was pushing hard but 194. It's like

8:41

that's redline. Yeah, that's redlining Yeah for sure. No, I love

8:43

I love getting my heart rate up there. It makes me

8:45

know I'm not gonna die I do

8:47

I do I do anything. I still cardiologist

8:50

might disagree. I'm strong It's the acid bath

8:52

where you get on the fucking you

8:54

get on the assault bike For a

8:56

minute as many calories as you can do and

8:59

when you're done you're going But

9:02

I felt the finish line by the way, so

9:04

I did too people were like camp camp and they

9:06

wanted a picture I'm just like give

9:08

me a I mean, I always thought I was gonna

9:10

frickin do is there was a lady on the approach

9:12

to the Finish line who came up to me with

9:15

a mic and I was like Like I

9:17

just made a gas My

9:20

dad my dad's a legit his whole

9:22

life was a legit runner like you

9:24

really honestly marathons If I call

9:26

if I call my dad on the phone right now He

9:29

would he can still give you exact times it

9:31

splits like he remembers all of it He

9:34

told me when I yesterday he goes my fastest my

9:37

fastest 5k was like 16 minutes

9:39

17 minutes good and so When

9:42

I had tasks running. Yeah. Oh my dad was

9:45

run marathons and you know Low

9:48

three three hour man. Yeah, you know, and

9:50

so he would run six minute miles for running

9:53

a marathon. It's pretty good So that's under three.

9:55

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. My dad was like Legit

9:58

it's all he did. I don't know what

10:00

he was running from. Yeah. Everyone's

10:02

running from something. You

10:04

know, their kids. He's

10:07

like so much regret. Yeah, my stepfather goes fucking

10:10

marathons and be his pace guy with my uncle.

10:12

Yeah. So like we'd go out and we'd have

10:14

water for him and everything and have snacks for

10:16

him and we'd meet him at places. So I

10:18

spent my whole childhood going to fucking marathons. Yeah.

10:21

And so never won't never ran one. We'd all

10:23

run Turkey Trots when we were kids. But

10:25

my dad was laughing so

10:28

hysterically at Tom. Cause he's

10:30

like, I go, yeah, his trainer is going to

10:32

pace him. And he was like, it's

10:34

a 5k. And he was like, what's

10:36

he pacing? He was trying to break three minute, three 30 minutes.

10:39

Yeah. And Tom, my dad goes, hold on,

10:42

hold on. He can't run a 10

10:44

minute mile by himself. And I said, well, he

10:46

doesn't run. Like if you run, you know, when

10:48

you run, there's something

10:50

also that happens is that those first

10:52

miles are hard, but the last ones

10:54

are like, let's get it

10:56

fucking over. Yeah. And that's where you push.

10:58

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11:03

they go away from the barn slow. You

11:05

turn around and the horse knows, oh, we're going back

11:08

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16:01

30 yesterday really good. Oh, you're trying to get under

16:03

30. I was trying to get under 30 But you

16:05

so 30 you still improved though. I'm pretty I cut

16:07

two minutes off. That's it You

16:09

know that I was talking to a

16:11

Huberman about this a couple days ago

16:13

And I was saying it's crazy how

16:16

when you start off running a 5k you finish 5k

16:18

and you're like fuck Yeah, that was

16:20

and then you're like why I wonder if I could do 10k

16:22

Then you do a 10k and then you do

16:25

a half marathon Did you do a marathon to do 50k

16:27

than a hundred K that a hundred miles? It's like it's

16:29

the same you're the same person.

16:31

Yeah, how the fuck was 5k

16:33

your max? Yeah, and now

16:35

because people everybody starts at a 5k

16:38

and then now some people running 100 to 200 miles same

16:42

Same body. It's up here though. Yeah, I mean obviously

16:44

your body has to yeah You know your heart has

16:46

to be you have to be more efficient. That's the

16:49

thing because when you're not efficient That's when your heart

16:51

rate skyrockets talk about efficiency and running. This is fascinating

16:53

and I know this from my dad Yeah efficiency running

16:55

a lot of people same with swimming Yeah, a lot

16:57

of people don't know how to swim, but

16:59

if you know how to run, you know, it's not it's

17:02

it's that when you watch Camera, it's really pretty

17:04

because your arms aren't make it you're like almost

17:06

like dancing a little bit Like you have a

17:08

good you have great arm My dad dad

17:11

my dad's seen videos of you running goes God. I love

17:13

this fucking stride God, I love his

17:15

fucking stride, but you really glide when you run.

17:17

Yeah, it's a you watch You

17:19

watch like those pro runners and their head

17:21

isn't even moving. Yeah, you know what I

17:24

mean? It's just like so efficient and that's

17:26

why some even elite marathon runners can have

17:28

you think they'd be shredded They're

17:31

so efficient. They still have a little fat on

17:33

their belly. Really? Yeah I

17:35

mean, they don't have a six-pack but because if

17:37

you're running on a flat road and

17:40

you're that efficient It's what

17:42

does it translate? What does efficiency mean? It's

17:46

I mean less work. So

17:48

they're they're not they're not working hard, right? If

17:50

somebody who's struggling like this, they're working their

17:53

ass off. You were all struggling yesterday I'm

17:55

struggling but your your body was moving in

17:58

ways. No for sure. Yeah So

18:00

when it's like when you're tensing it so

18:03

they say it goes all the way down to

18:05

wearing sunglasses Because if you

18:07

squint that's taking energy. Mm-hmm

18:09

from your body Sure, so it's that's it

18:11

just a measure of how efficiency plays into

18:13

being the better I've heard this Like

18:17

all this talk about efficiency with sprinters, right?

18:19

Yeah, you get into elite sprinting The

18:22

coaches are are down to

18:24

like micro movements So not waste the energy

18:26

like you said on a facial muscle, right?

18:28

And they and they train for these hundred

18:30

meter guys that just blaze down there a

18:33

hundredth of a second difference So it's like

18:35

those little things make they add up Yeah,

18:37

but yeah, especially like when

18:39

you talk exact bitter the guys who do the ultras

18:41

like the girls we talked about Efficiency

18:43

is is so key because

18:46

to be able to sustain that

18:48

pace not falter Even

18:50

when you know, you're burning calories and hydration

18:52

everything the whole time. It's it's difficult But

18:54

people who are the best are the most

18:57

efficient when did you like think did you

18:59

always have a goal? for ultra

19:01

stuff or were you like I Feel

19:03

like most people with with running go like a marathon

19:06

is a goal Mm-hmm. Did you do one and then

19:08

go I wish I think I could do another a

19:10

further run Yeah, it's just like

19:12

how I explained you start at one thing and then

19:14

you just want to test yourself more You do once

19:16

you do it. I mean, I even heard jelly yesterday

19:19

say he wants to do a half marathon Yeah, dude,

19:21

you know He's the one he's the one

19:23

that like was like really yapping

19:25

about it. Yeah, so that's that was

19:27

with me, too It's just like you you did it then

19:29

you're like God Wonder what I'm

19:31

capable of and so then it's just that

19:34

still chasing that what's my limit? Yeah That's

19:36

what we always kind of want to find

19:38

is what's our actual limit? I haven't

19:40

found it yet, but it's like that's kind of

19:42

the game and it's not it's not really in

19:45

my opinion It's not physical. It's a mental thing.

19:47

Well, that's what I I mean the thing that

19:50

you know You when we watch

19:52

like a Goggins and you the thing

19:55

that I always think about I'm like this guy's

19:57

just so mentally tough like that your

19:59

mental and it's actually,

20:01

it's really fun to be around. Because I feel

20:04

like, you know, when you do comedy, one

20:06

of the most fun things is to hang around with

20:08

comedians. And what happens is like, when you hang

20:10

around for a while, everybody's joking,

20:12

you're joking, you're laughing, and you

20:15

leave there kind of feeling better

20:17

about comedy and yourself in

20:19

comedy. I think when you hang around like really

20:22

mentally tough people, you know, you take a little

20:24

of that, you know what I mean? You just

20:26

kind of go like, oh, this person is, it's

20:29

good for you. It's good for you to be around

20:31

it. It's the old adage about, you know, the five

20:33

people you hang around. So if

20:35

those people are elite runners, or

20:39

if they're a comedian, you're gonna

20:41

pick shit up. You are, yeah. You're just,

20:43

it's just, you're around it, your conversations are

20:45

different, things you think about, talk about, how

20:48

you carry on in a daily life,

20:50

it's different. And then it all leads to whatever that

20:52

goal is. Yeah. It's

20:54

also, there's a thing, and I

20:56

can't speak for you, but I know that like, when

20:59

you have his fitness level, and

21:02

he looks at 12 miles the way we look at

21:04

like two, you

21:09

know, we like, you know, we get on the, say we're gonna

21:11

go do a 5K in the hotel, and

21:14

you're like, you know, I'm gonna walk the first mile, get

21:16

some emails. When he starts running,

21:18

your first three miles have to be like a little

21:20

loosened up and being like, okay, now we're in there.

21:23

And then once your brain clicks over and you get

21:25

that runner's high, and you are like, your

21:27

breathing's right, I watch, because

21:29

I know you'd run a half

21:31

marathon, or a marathon every day at lunch, right?

21:33

Yeah. It's fucking. Yeah,

21:36

there's times when I do that, yeah. It's

21:39

like inconceivable to most people. Yeah,

21:42

it's just like, but when you spend time

21:45

around Goggins, around Courtney, it just, it

21:47

doesn't seem inconceivable. You know, like in

21:49

my previous life, essentially, before I'd

21:52

done that, yeah, I'd be like, what? That's

21:55

not even possible. Nobody could do that. But then you

21:58

start, I like telling the story. about

22:00

Courtney because Kat, who was here yesterday with us,

22:03

she ran great, but her and Courtney were

22:05

roommates one time at this running camp in

22:07

Europe. And I'm

22:09

not going to get the details all

22:11

right, but they were running as part

22:13

of the running camp because sometimes like

22:16

Solomon or Cass

22:18

Brooks running, or they have these running camps

22:20

for their sponsored athletes. So they were on

22:22

the same team in Europe and they were

22:24

running 50k a day, so 31 miles a

22:28

day. And all pro

22:30

runners, so they're putting in the

22:33

miles, right? Well, Cass said, she's

22:35

like, me and Courtney were roommates. And she

22:37

goes, we would do the run, come back

22:39

for meetings, dinner,

22:42

everybody would then go and go to bed.

22:45

Courtney would go, go out running. Go

22:48

out running at night? At night. So

22:52

the 31 miles wasn't enough.

22:56

That's why she is who she is. She's

22:59

just grind. So, and I asked her like, and

23:01

she'll never talk about her training really. I don't

23:03

even know how many miles

23:06

a week she runs. She underplays everything.

23:08

Just her demeanor is so like chill.

23:11

And I said, so I heard a rumor that

23:13

you would go running at night and after you

23:16

guys did the 50k, she's like, oh yeah, but

23:18

not much. And

23:20

I'm like, well, how many miles? And he's like,

23:22

five to seven miles, she said. So it's

23:25

like, that's significant after you've already done 31.

23:28

But anyway, so when you hear stuff like

23:30

that, then you think about what you're doing

23:33

differently. And it's just, that's

23:35

just what happens. That was adapting for you

23:38

from going from

23:40

like 5k, 12k, you know, or 10k,

23:42

half a minute. Like was

23:44

the adapting process of getting yourself there

23:47

a pretty gradual slow thing?

23:49

Or did you have to, you know, hit

23:51

new gears mentally to do that? Yeah, it's

23:54

your body adapts. Just like we talked about. Your

23:57

body does change. Joe even

23:59

talks about stuff like. this he'll talk about like

24:01

the Mongolian archers you know their bones because

24:03

they point such heavy bows back their bones

24:05

would get thicker their body would change so

24:07

your body does change you know I said

24:09

it's the same body that had a hard

24:11

time doing a 5k and is

24:13

doing a hundred miles but it does change over this

24:16

time that's that's the incredible thing about a human body

24:18

is we can adapt and I always say your body

24:20

gets used to what you ask of it if you

24:22

don't ask much it's not going to give you much

24:25

yeah if you ask a lot it's going to give

24:27

you a lot so that's all it is it's like

24:29

it does change it takes time like there's

24:31

always when you start like doing

24:33

that and testing your body differently you

24:35

can get injured there can be things going

24:38

on but you really dial in your diet

24:40

you really dial in all these little things

24:42

that allow your body to to flourish

24:44

and get stronger did your body composition

24:46

itself change a lot in your early

24:48

days too oh yeah yeah definitely it's

24:51

like you know it's uh you look Puerto

24:53

Rican when we first saw you've seen

24:55

early pictures of cam Haynes now it looks

24:57

Puerto Rican yeah I actually I don't know

24:59

or young you you ran with uh who

25:01

you run in next to Lance Puerto

25:04

Rican cam Haynes yeah

25:06

but like cams like a totally

25:08

different human being now yeah it's

25:11

uh you're skinny yeah there was a

25:13

time so when I ran with lance in boston

25:15

that's no I don't really mean yeah there we

25:17

go um I ran with lance in 2008 in the

25:19

boston marathon so that's 16 years

25:26

ago and I wait like right yeah there's a picture of

25:28

it right there down to the right down

25:31

down over to the right one

25:33

more that's lance right is he not looking like

25:35

Puerto Rican Puerto Rican cam Haynes

25:38

yeah so uh that was 2008 I weighed like 150

25:40

pounds and now 170 little

25:44

over 170 okay so I

25:46

was thinking well to be my best runner I

25:48

got to be light yeah sure and so I

25:51

was like all I was doing was was

25:53

runt 20 miles a day that was before I

25:55

was before I'd even done let me think I'd

25:57

even done a hundred mile mile or at that

26:00

time. But I

26:02

thought I needed to be light. So I got down to 150 and

26:04

I just, I couldn't, because I still hunt and

26:06

if I kill a bull elk, I got to

26:09

pack, you know, a lot, hundreds of pounds.

26:11

I just wasn't, I was more frail. So I'm

26:13

like, Oh shit, this isn't going to work.

26:16

So then I went and started running. Last got up to

26:18

190, but muscle. And

26:20

then I couldn't run. I wasn't efficient on

26:22

that. So now where I'm at now is

26:24

like the best of both worlds. And prior

26:26

to you running these ultra kind

26:28

of distances where even like before your

26:30

marathon days, like when you were

26:32

a half marathon runner, were you still at the like

26:34

one 50 ish range? No, I was probably a little

26:37

heavier. I wasn't in that good of shape at that

26:39

time. Okay. You know, I'd run like

26:41

I would run a half marathon slower than

26:43

we ran the first half of Boston.

26:46

Really? So I just got, I got better over the

26:48

years. You know, you just get, you figure out

26:50

what it takes. What's also weird is, and

26:52

I think the race you sign

26:55

up for is the race you do in your

26:57

head. Meaning if you sign up for a marathon,

26:59

you're going to do a half marathon extremely easy. Yeah.

27:01

But if you sign up for a half marathon, you'll

27:04

do the 5k very easy and the fuck it all

27:06

of a sudden half marathon becomes

27:08

very long at six miles,

27:11

but a marathon becomes very

27:13

long at 13

27:15

miles, but 22 miles, marathon's a fucking,

27:18

yeah. And I know we're not on

27:20

our show anymore, but like I, that was

27:24

the point where you're, where people start, your

27:26

body starts giving out, like people's legs start

27:28

seizing up and people shit themselves. And you

27:31

said something, you see that guy the other day,

27:33

Davis Clark, he shit himself. It

27:36

went viral on a run. Yeah. And I

27:38

commented on this post. I said, nobody cares

27:40

shit harder. And, uh, he,

27:43

he ran, it was Boston and

27:45

he videoed, he got at the end, he videoed himself with

27:47

shit running down his leg. Did you

27:49

see the chick pull over to the side,

27:52

pull her pants over to the side and

27:54

shit in the street? Oh yeah, I did.

27:56

Really? You were talking about having to go

27:58

to the bathroom and you start. So

28:00

this is like race talk. I love this

28:02

shit because when you run a marathon I

28:05

mean maybe a hundred yards

28:08

out they have a ton of porta-potties because what

28:10

happens is Everyone has to

28:12

shit the second they start the marathon

28:14

Yeah, everyone has to piss the second

28:16

day everything and that happened to you

28:18

yesterday Well like also, I mean I'm

28:20

a all-day water

28:23

coffee guy. He goes pretty much Yeah, it's in me

28:25

you always have to pit. I always got a pee

28:27

Yeah, and I always think and then like, you know

28:29

at shows like I get to the show You

28:32

know, you're hanging out in the green room like this.

28:34

I mean, I might go pee Eight

28:36

times before the show. Yeah, right and there's always like

28:39

that last one right before you go I just like,

28:41

you know, it's just a constant thing. So I didn't

28:44

I didn't you know the day

28:46

before I Hydrated well and

28:49

then morning of I'm not like overdoing it, you

28:51

know, I'm just I had a little coffee drinking

28:53

some water And we have like

28:55

hours to kill so whatever I hit the

28:57

head a few times and then

28:59

it's like, all right Let's let's walk over and

29:01

I went one more time Where

29:03

we're standing around and I just get in my I

29:05

go fuck I got a pee and they're like and

29:07

here we go So

29:10

we started there's nothing worse than having to piss when

29:12

you're running right when you start Yeah, I was like,

29:15

I was like, this is exactly what I want to

29:17

pee. So We

29:19

get in the run and then I'm just just Distract.

29:21

I don't think about peeing because I'm distracted by like

29:24

how hard I'm working to run

29:26

Yeah, and when we get done, I

29:29

was actually gonna go in there like Oh jelly

29:31

and Bert are Coming up in

29:33

a few minutes. Okay We

29:37

you know you guys come out come through we

29:39

celebrate it's like look let's head in now Well,

29:41

then we're like, let's walk into the stadium and

29:44

I remember we were walking in And

29:47

I was still kind of like the you know, the party

29:49

of like, oh we're here now Now let's like get this

29:51

thing started and I kind of don't think about

29:53

it. Then I get in the cold tub I was like

29:56

man. I got a piss. I'm not gonna piss Yeah,

29:58

I was like but I was like I was like, I do have

30:00

to pee. Then I get out

30:03

and I'm like, talking to this

30:05

person, pictures, I forget. And

30:08

then we go through the entire experience. And

30:10

as we're walking back, I

30:12

turn to Zolo, and I go, I

30:14

had to pistons the race. He goes, that was

30:16

four hours ago. And I was like, I don't

30:18

know what happened. My body just shut off

30:21

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30:24

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30:27

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I love this. I love introducing

32:44

and I'm by no stretch of the means

32:47

like a real race guy but like I do

32:49

love them and I love that we

32:52

introduced it to a group of people that normally

32:54

wouldn't do it and now they're kind

32:56

of into it. Yeah. I'd said

32:58

this to you. Your accessibility

33:00

meaning like what you perform at is I think

33:03

a lot of people go I'll never get there.

33:05

I think a lot of people look at

33:07

me and Tom and go well those fat fucks can

33:09

do it. Yeah. And so the people that were there

33:11

yesterday were like I mean

33:13

yeah they could have

33:15

fucking sold a dickload of blood

33:18

pressure medicine. And running shoes.

33:20

And running shoes. Yeah and seeing Jelly

33:22

out there. That gives so many people

33:24

hope. You know what I mean? He got

33:26

out there he did it and it's just like that's

33:28

like he's gonna impact more

33:30

people than I could than you could because

33:32

there's a lot of people who think that's

33:35

so unrealistic for me because you guys are

33:37

active and everybody kind of knows that now

33:39

so it's not a it's not a shock

33:41

to see you do a 5k. To see

33:43

Jelly who their figure probably hasn't run much.

33:45

To see him do it and then smiling

33:48

in like all the positive affirmation. He

33:50

was so positive. Yeah and it's like

33:52

that's gonna change how

33:55

many lives. You know he's obviously very

33:57

well known and he was saying that you know he dropped

33:59

70. pounds and then

34:01

but I was running into people all day.

34:04

I lost 25 pounds. I lost 50

34:06

pounds. Some guy came up to us, he was like, I lost 250 pounds.

34:10

I was dying to know what he looked like before.

34:12

I'm sure it wasn't great but there was a, and

34:14

he did it, by the way, there was no

34:17

better feeling than when I was like meeting people

34:19

and I was like, how'd you

34:21

do, and if they were younger than me and

34:25

like leaner than me and their

34:27

time was a slower line, I would smile so big and

34:29

I go, that's good. Congratulations,

34:31

man. Good for you. And

34:33

then I met one guy who was in a

34:36

fucking, like a mascot

34:38

suit. Yeah, the bear. And

34:40

he was like kind of out of shape. He did it twice. He

34:42

goes, I did it twice. I go, what was your time? He goes,

34:44

26. I go, how the fuck did you do that? He

34:46

goes, I'm 23. Oh, okay. That

34:49

helped. Yeah, yeah. That suit looked hot

34:51

as hell too. I was like, you ran it in this?

34:53

Those people make me so angry when they run

34:55

it. There was a guy that beat me in the LA

34:57

marathon who was in a big bird suit. There

35:00

was a guy with a tuba. There

35:02

was a tuba. He played the tuba the whole fucking

35:04

race. There was a guy, there

35:06

was a kid with MS that

35:09

beat me and his dad, his Mexican

35:11

family, his dad ran with him in jeans, jeans

35:14

and just work boots and ran with him

35:16

and they lapped me twice. Like

35:19

I'd try to take their souls. Yeah, no.

35:22

Then they'd fucking smoke my soul. There

35:25

was some impressive, there was some impressive runner. I mean, besides

35:27

you guys, there were some other

35:29

people there. They were like, I was just flying.

35:31

Your asshole son ran it

35:33

with jeans on. He did. Which I

35:35

basically, I saw you guys the day

35:37

before and I'd seen that before

35:39

so I said it as a joke. I

35:42

go, what are you gonna run into tomorrow? And he's like, I hope 18. And

35:44

I was like, well, it doesn't count if you're not in jeans. And he

35:46

was like, okay. And then he shows up

35:48

in jeans. I touched them. Are these real jeans?

35:50

Yeah. And he was like. I

35:52

think he was like kind of waffling on shorter

35:55

jeans. But once you said that, we saw him

35:57

at the whatever that. Yeah.

36:00

The Oaks? Yeah. Yeah. So then he's like, no, I

36:02

told Thomas, you know, we're jeans. And I couldn't believe

36:04

it. I was like, you're, this is a joke, right?

36:06

Yeah. And he ran good. I mean, he ran like,

36:08

I think 1806 was it or 12, 1812? That's

36:14

fucking pretty fast. When I got, when I was

36:16

doing it. 1812.

36:19

Looking like, like

36:21

a green beret that just lost his gear.

36:23

And yeah, I mean, like, your son, he's

36:25

jacked. Bro. He looks like an underwear model.

36:28

And he ran it like he was at the

36:30

bar and some chick gave him a booty call.

36:32

Yeah. And she was like, Hey, can you come

36:34

over here in 10 minutes? And he's like, I

36:36

got it. I'll be right back. Yeah, you're only

36:38

three miles. Be serious. That was unreal, dude. That

36:40

is so impressive. I only, my only regret is

36:42

not touching his hands. I probably didn't focus on

36:44

his hands. What? Cezanne's are fucking shredded from the

36:46

fucking goddamn pool. He does them an oven mitt

36:48

now, I think. He's the pull up king, right?

36:51

Yeah. Yeah. He did 8,124 hours. Do

36:54

you worry? Cuz I worry that

36:56

my lifestyle- That we will beat that

36:58

record. Oh, what were you gonna say?

37:01

My lifestyle has permeated my daughters in many ways

37:04

and in my mentality. And some, I don't want them

37:06

to have the work thing I have where I'm like

37:08

obsessed with work. But like your kids

37:10

get the shit you give them. Do you ever

37:12

think about like, shit, I

37:15

can't escape this killer mentality. I

37:18

have it. My dad gave it to me. I got it.

37:20

And then I gave it to my kids. Do you ever

37:22

let go? Man, I

37:24

know you probably don't go, I wish I had kids to play

37:26

video games. But do you ever go, I wish I didn't give

37:29

them all that hunger. Yeah, you

37:31

know, to be honest, it's

37:34

hard. So like, the path he's going

37:36

down, the world record pull ups, I

37:38

was like, you can't just

37:40

show up and kind of get through a- You

37:44

got to make, you know, big stuff,

37:46

hard stuff. And that's exhausting. So I

37:48

said, you got- I'm 56 now, he's

37:50

27. And

37:53

I'm like, you got 30 more years of

37:56

hard shit. That's

37:58

a lot. word with my

38:01

other son who went and was the

38:03

ranger because I had like, I

38:05

thought I had fucked up like raising kids. I didn't know

38:07

what the hell I was doing, but I'm like, I'd

38:09

always tell him, I'm like, if you're average,

38:12

you're a failure. I love that.

38:14

I love that. I know. But, but

38:16

then, you know, you

38:18

know, so if your kid has a good job,

38:21

an important job that the community needs, but

38:24

they're not like this elite, whatever they feel like

38:26

a failure. And so I had to say,

38:28

I said, I had to say, it's like, there's

38:31

nothing wrong with having a regular job. There's

38:33

nothing wrong. You know, after, after

38:35

they had already had been through all the shit that I had

38:37

said, like, look around, see all these people at the movie theater,

38:39

right? And I'd be like, all

38:41

these people, we don't want to look

38:43

like those people. Those people are average. And

38:46

then I was just like, you see,

38:48

Bert, you see Tom? All right. Yeah. So

38:50

you guys, yeah. I look like this. So

38:52

I was like, God, what the fuck? What

38:54

was I thinking? Because not everybody

38:56

has to be this freak. No, but what you

38:58

were, you were, you know, that is coming from

39:01

a, what you did, I think, I mean, I'm

39:03

a father of two younger boys. And

39:05

I think you were, you're putting your boys

39:07

on a good path. I think

39:09

it's tough to be probably tough to

39:11

be campaign son. Because you know, your

39:13

dad's like an ultra achiever, like regardless

39:15

of the field. So any, anytime

39:18

your dad's an achiever, but you

39:20

know, you play, you put a

39:22

mentality into your kit. No

39:24

mentality comes without like some price. Yeah,

39:26

it all comes at a price. But

39:28

like, I mean, look at

39:31

your boys now. Like, you know, they're, they

39:33

don't hate me. So they don't hate

39:35

you. And they are for a while,

39:37

but they are achieving incredible things. They're

39:39

good kids. The way the way I

39:42

looked at it is because I, I

39:44

didn't have any advantage. So I realized

39:47

life is fucking competition and I'm

39:49

losing. So like when I

39:51

first started bow hunting, it was like, well,

39:53

if I'm like in the best shape and

39:56

I get to the mountains, all

39:58

these guys who have more conduction, And no

40:00

more people have more money and better jobs, but

40:04

in the mountains, I'm better than them. I

40:07

call the shots out here. So that's what

40:09

gave me that edge. It's like, I can't

40:11

in the regular world, I'm

40:13

fucking nobody. But out here, now

40:16

I can call the shots. So that's where

40:18

I learned really quickly that life

40:20

will kick you in the dick if you're not ready

40:22

to compete. So I'm like, I got to get my

40:24

boys ready. Life is competition.

40:27

And if you want to win, which we all

40:29

want to win in our own little thing, you

40:32

got to be built for it. We're built different.

40:34

But seriously, it's like, so I maybe

40:36

was too serious about it because I

40:39

was young and it's like, didn't understand

40:41

the balance of it. You know, I

40:43

didn't really, school was

40:45

like, yeah, get good grades, but it's

40:47

always physical. So were they physically

40:49

doing a lot of stuff early? Always.

40:52

Yeah. Running. They both

40:54

did half marathons when they were seven.

40:56

Under two hours. Isla

41:00

couldn't spell half marathon at seven. She

41:04

can't do it at 17. At seven? Seven,

41:06

yeah. And Truett ran, who you

41:09

guys met yesterday, he ran,

41:11

here's another me being psycho, but the Eugene marathon,

41:13

you have to be 16 to run it. So

41:17

I lied on his thing. He was 13

41:19

and my dad was getting ready to die

41:21

from cancer. So this is 2010. And

41:26

we said, well, if Truett could do this

41:29

marathon, give my dad his marathon medal. Right.

41:31

And so Truett was 13. I said he

41:33

was 16 and he ran, ran

41:35

it in 330, which

41:37

is a pretty damn good marathon. Really good

41:39

man. So that was who ran yesterday. So

41:41

he's, they've been, they've been

41:44

pushed for a long time.

41:47

Wow. Yeah. But that's, I think that I

41:50

used to, I used to want Kevin Hart to talk

41:53

about luck more than hard work because luck is so

41:55

important in life. But then there's

41:57

another thing that I think made it.

42:00

Maybe I have too. Maybe

42:02

my dad put it in me. When I

42:04

was in first grade, my dad,

42:06

I said I'm the fastest kid in the class. He

42:09

said you'll never beat me at anything. And

42:11

I said, I'm pretty fast. And he

42:13

goes, well let's go outside. Let's

42:15

do a sprint. See, it wins. And

42:18

I was in first grade, I was six years old,

42:20

and I was six or seven. And

42:22

I fucking was cooking down the

42:24

street. And as I look up, my dad

42:26

is running backwards. I told

42:28

you you'll never beat me at anything. But you

42:31

need that. I think you need that. Weird

42:33

parenting things to give you a brain

42:36

that says, listen, I'm not the most

42:38

talented comic, but I'm very high achieving

42:40

because I don't believe I belong anywhere.

42:42

I don't believe I have value. I

42:44

feel like if I don't create it,

42:46

I won't be invited. If

42:49

I don't show up, if I don't work harder

42:51

than everyone else, then no one will notice me.

42:55

And I think that that's a really important

42:58

thing to instill in Switch How to

43:00

identify the fact that you're

43:02

feeling this, and then use that as

43:05

your advantage. Yeah, you gotta

43:07

have something. What, why are you

43:09

gonna stand out? That's

43:11

the thing. People, they wanna stand out.

43:13

Sometimes how you've done it, how you've

43:15

done it, it's hard. So

43:18

they can stand out for being a fuckup. Still

43:20

get attention, but just negative attention.

43:23

To stand out for

43:25

putting in work, doing positive, making a positive

43:27

difference, that's fucking hard. And

43:29

I've known that my whole life, so that's what I

43:31

tried to teach my boys. Tell

43:34

Tom a little bit about your childhood and

43:36

your youth. Because I've listened to your book.

43:38

I told you, out of

43:40

all the inspiration, all the self-help books you'll

43:42

get, Cam's book

43:45

is the most applicable to your

43:48

life. Because instead of

43:50

saying, this is how I do it, your

43:54

book is really, this is why I do it. I

43:56

felt that way. And so tell Tom

43:58

a little bit about, Just give him like for

44:01

everyone listening goes, oh, I know Cam I know he's been

44:03

on Rogan 30 times but like tell

44:05

him a little bit about like where you grew up how

44:07

you grew up and And how you got

44:09

it got into everything Yeah, I

44:11

mean the the biggest part of my childhood was

44:13

here's the biggest thing and you know We can

44:16

offer a kid something different than this but my

44:18

mom and dad got divorced when I was young my

44:21

dad, of course I thought was Superman

44:23

like most kids do but he's an

44:25

incredible athlete And I

44:28

just basically just always wanted him around and

44:30

he was never there. So I didn't I

44:32

was always like Wanted this

44:34

thing this approval from dad type

44:37

thing so my mom got Remarried

44:40

stepdad hated him. He wasn't my dad.

44:42

So Never gonna

44:44

work. You're not my dad It's like that has

44:46

to be the worst thing ever for a step

44:49

parent it to have some

44:51

fucking kid like me Say

44:53

you're not my dad. I don't I don't

44:56

have to do what you say. That's pretty much

44:58

how my whole life So it was this

45:01

big butting the heads battle all the

45:03

time. I you

45:05

know I'd want to

45:07

go live with my dad Because he

45:09

lived in Portland But then I'd miss my brother

45:11

because I had a brother we have

45:13

the same mom and dad then I have My

45:15

other brother ran yesterday to a half brother That's

45:18

my mom and stepdad's kid and then I have a

45:20

half sister on that side Then no anyway got a

45:22

bunch of mixed up kids But uh,

45:25

I have a full brother and so I'd move

45:27

with my in with my dad didn't miss

45:29

my brother Cuz I was by myself in Portland Anyway,

45:32

it wasn't good. Um so

45:34

that was kind of the how it worked is

45:36

like my dad

45:39

everybody knew my dad down in Eugene because

45:41

he was like this track phenom and

45:43

I'd hear stories about him and So

45:46

when you because as parents we

45:48

fuck up all the time so kids see us

45:50

fuck up I never saw

45:52

my dad fuck up. So I always just had

45:54

him like he was up here forever

45:58

I never saw anything bad, you know, and It's

46:00

like that was, so it always

46:02

like, knew he was a track guy,

46:04

so I'm like, I wanna run, I wanna be like

46:06

that, just to maybe he'll notice.

46:09

And that was pretty much it. So.

46:12

Well, that's what connected with me is that my

46:14

dad was a track guy, and his weekends

46:17

were all spent running. I mean, he'd be up at six in the

46:19

morning, he'd run. He'd run 10 miles every night when he came home

46:21

from work to just go out and run a quick 10 miles. And

46:24

I think part of me, I got into track and field.

46:28

I played baseball very heavily, but

46:31

my dad was always involved when

46:33

you were doing the sport. Like you could get,

46:35

I could get my dad 100% if

46:37

we went to a running store to look at shoes, if

46:39

we went to a sporting goods store, if I was

46:42

playing baseball, if I said, hey, let's go play baseball,

46:44

hey, let's go for a run. Like

46:46

my dad would always be like, oh, that was the

46:48

way we connected. It's why I go

46:50

to sporting goods stores obsessively today to this day,

46:52

is it's a weird thing, it's like makes me

46:54

comfortable. But I did track

46:56

and field, I remember when I

46:58

got into track and field freshman year, I

47:02

was running the 220 and the 200 and the 400 were

47:07

my two races and my dad got so into

47:09

it. He introduced me to Fartlix and he would

47:11

train me on the track. And

47:13

it was like, but it was like, it's

47:15

this weird, I'm looking

47:18

for the thing, I'm looking

47:20

for that thing. And it's

47:22

defining who I will be, I don't know that.

47:26

I was like, and Eugene running in Eugene

47:29

at that time, was that's

47:31

the beginning of Nike, that's pre-Fontaine,

47:33

that's fucking, that's the Mecca. Yeah,

47:37

it is. So did you hate running? Cause

47:40

you felt like you had to do it cause your dad

47:42

wanted you to do it. Cause that's how my kids, my

47:44

kids hated running, I make them run. No,

47:47

I loved it. My dad

47:49

did some really fucking crazy

47:51

things. My dad would compliment

47:53

me on things that weren't real

47:56

and I would believe them. Like what? Number

47:58

one, you love it. pressure.

48:01

He said that to me when I was six years old.

48:04

You, buddy, this is where you excel.

48:06

Other kids, they don't have what you

48:08

have. When all the chips are on

48:11

the table, you fucking show up. And

48:13

I don't know if that's real or not. I really don't.

48:15

But I'll tell you what, I fucking

48:18

love pressure. We started to believe it though. I believed

48:20

it. I believed it. And you manifested it. You put

48:22

me into a game and fucking

48:24

three, two people on base were

48:26

down by two runs and I

48:29

would fucking deliver because I love, I

48:31

would all of a sudden that energy

48:33

would skinny up. This is a stupid

48:35

story, but don't

48:37

do much athletically. Do secret time. Two

48:39

shows and Philly. I bomb on the

48:41

first show. I bomb. Really fucking ate

48:43

a dick. I have

48:46

one show to deliver and I'm

48:49

nervous. And Leanne says, well,

48:51

you know, you love pressure. And I

48:53

went, oh, that's right. I do. And all

48:55

of a sudden, when it's, I focus

48:57

in and I dial in and I love

48:59

pressure, but I don't know if it's real.

49:02

My dad always told me, you have a beautiful

49:04

stride. I love your stride, buddy. God, it's like,

49:06

they compliment you on athletically things. As

49:09

a kid, throwing a football, god damn it, you

49:11

have the tightest spiral. Like he would just,

49:13

he was really good at like, I

49:15

don't even know if they were real. Who won

49:18

the football throwing? Oh, the fucking black guy. Yeah.

49:21

I saw the pictures of it. So, uh,

49:24

without him coming on, cause he wasn't

49:26

one of the comics. Yeah.

49:29

Cause it would have been is I thought

49:31

it was a comic competition. But yeah, yeah.

49:33

We was brought somebody else wasn't, it wasn't

49:35

Tony Henscliffe. That's for sure. Wasn't Ari. No,

49:37

it was not. Oh, it was Feenalberg.

49:41

If I don't throw a fucking Feenalberg's a

49:43

sneaky athlete. Yeah. Yeah.

49:45

Those barstool guys show up. Yeah. Yeah.

49:48

But it's, it's interesting. I like, I

49:51

think a lot of what

49:53

you do online is by

49:56

proxy parenting. It's like,

49:58

is when you look at people, people to look up to.

50:02

I get messages from young men

50:04

who say that. Absolutely, that's a big one.

50:06

Maybe there's something to it, which is

50:08

weird because most of the time I felt like I was

50:11

fucking up as a parent and now it's like these people

50:13

who I don't know are saying that. Well

50:15

it's funny because honestly, I think

50:18

from podcasting, you

50:20

know, we get messages like that. Like

50:22

people who, and it's usually like younger men who

50:25

maybe don't have any,

50:27

like they just want some type of guidance, so what they do

50:30

is they follow

50:33

shows, you know, and then they find

50:35

a voice that they like or something that they relate

50:37

to. But I think nothing

50:40

crazier than being a jackass

50:42

comedian who's like, I look up to you

50:44

guys, and you're like, okay. But

50:47

with you, I feel like

50:49

that really makes a

50:52

lot of sense to me because like, you know, I

50:55

consume your content

50:57

or however you want to call it, like you know, sometimes

51:00

inadvertently, like you're scrolling and you're like,

51:02

I was cam post. And

51:04

you just look and you're just like, I gotta

51:07

get off my ass today. It's a great little, you

51:10

know, pill you didn't even mean to take and

51:13

that motivation hits you. Yeah, that's where the algorithm

51:15

works because sometimes we see shit that does the

51:17

opposite effect to us too, so it's like you

51:19

can kind of cultivate who you follow and why

51:22

you follow them and it can have that, even

51:24

though you're not intentional, you're like, oh, and it

51:26

just makes you feel like I should go do

51:28

something. Just run a fuck around a marathon at

51:30

lunch. And you're

51:32

not an influencer who just posts

51:35

videos of you working

51:37

out, you are someone, and

51:40

that's all you do, you have a job, you're like a grown up.

51:43

Do you think, I have regrets as

51:45

a parent, hard regrets, Tom will not, I

51:47

don't think, because I think, and

51:49

I mean this, I don't, this, like Schultz, I was talking

51:51

to Schultz the other day, I was like, what are you

51:53

doing Tuesday? He's like, oh, I'm flying home. He

51:56

said it to me, he's like, you know, I gotta be with my kid, and

51:58

I didn't have that luxury. I had to

52:01

I was a poor parent not poor but like I

52:03

didn't have Leanne was I wasn't making money You did

52:06

a hustle. Yeah, and I so I had a

52:08

panic where I was like, yeah parenting's great

52:10

I'd love to sit and read a book with you But

52:12

I need to make sure you have money to go to college

52:15

Do you think some of that comes into the

52:17

fact that you were just a regular dad and

52:19

you were like yo I've got to make

52:21

money for these kids and I've also have

52:23

aspirations I want to be bigger and

52:25

you look back and you go. I guess I

52:28

could have done that differently Mm-hmm. Yeah,

52:30

I mean, I I just think I

52:33

had kids I don't know how old your your

52:35

guys had kids, but I was you know, like

52:37

25 Damn, and I was

52:40

I was kind of a fuckup still drinking

52:42

just Just being an

52:44

idiot but kind of when I had Tanner my

52:46

oldest it's I'm like, I

52:49

don't want to be a loser dad I've seen loser

52:51

dads out there and it's just like I better so

52:54

I I still kind of drank

52:56

more than I should have but then finally ended up

52:58

stopping because I was just like I gotta be I

53:01

Guess be the example for these these

53:03

boys. This is you know, when you Come

53:06

up like I did it's looks like the only thing that's

53:08

gonna set you apart is work Hard

53:11

work because it's not gonna be money and it's not gonna be

53:13

anything else So it's like it does I

53:15

just got pretty serious about that and probably too

53:17

serious on how hard I push them but the

53:20

where I know it paid off because

53:22

like Tanner is good at

53:24

basketball my oldest and he was Everybody,

53:28

you know wants to be the highest achiever they can

53:30

I said I go listen If you

53:32

do what all these other kids do just go

53:34

to practice do whatever I said You're

53:37

not gonna stand out. I said we

53:39

got to do extra work So we started

53:41

lifting when his 14 and then we'd stay

53:43

and shoot threes after practice every day For

53:46

hours and he ended up getting

53:49

all-state first team all league And it's

53:51

just like that was like a really big

53:53

lesson because I said you do what they

53:55

do You're gonna be just like them. So

53:57

then the boys really learned early that I

53:59

gotta do more than everybody. If I'm

54:01

going to stand out, if I'm going to be great.

54:03

If you're going to stand out. If that's your goal

54:05

to stand out. Some people, I don't know what, have

54:08

different goals and that's fine. My daughter's more of an

54:10

academic, so I didn't

54:13

fuck her up on the physical

54:15

stuff. Also, by the way, with the

54:17

drinking thing, if you also had kept

54:19

drinking, I don't think physically you could

54:21

push yourself to the limits that you

54:23

do, right? Yeah. I just

54:26

thought with drinking, it's like what I

54:28

care about is being strong, having

54:30

endurance, being able to run and bow

54:32

hunt. Drinking doesn't help any of

54:34

those. It hinders all of them.

54:36

So I'm like, your recovery would have been. I'm

54:38

like, I'm saying I want to be the best

54:40

at all these things, but then I'm sabotaging myself.

54:43

So that was just an easy choice for that.

54:46

We were talking about talking to Gronk about

54:48

that the other day. Oh

54:50

yeah. How he would party hard. In

54:53

his early 20s, and then he was like, by the time it was

54:55

like late 20s, 29, 30, he was

54:58

like. The recovery. Well, he was

55:00

talking about how you

55:02

could pick it up. As

55:04

an athlete, you are so

55:07

in tune with little micro

55:09

movements. It would

55:11

be a DB that I have a step

55:13

on them and now I'm

55:16

a step behind them and I know it's because

55:18

I drank. I know that it's

55:21

messing me up in that regard. So

55:23

he's like, just can't do it because it's

55:25

just like two steps, but

55:27

you're dialed into it. Even like,

55:29

even it could be less than that. I mean, could

55:31

you imagine how if they

55:33

can get their fingertip on the ball and

55:36

knock it up and then catch it. But

55:39

maybe there's that much, their reaction is that much

55:42

slower because of the alcohol or whatever they did.

55:44

And they just didn't get that fingertip on it.

55:46

So a fingertip. Cause you've seen

55:48

game. Remember that catch Edelman had where

55:50

it gets Atlanta where he's bobbling it around about what if

55:53

you would have went on drinking the night before. He

55:55

wouldn't have kept that ball off the ground. It would have lost

55:57

that Super Bowl. So it's like. the

56:00

difference between success and failure can be

56:02

that small. So who can

56:04

really afford to give that up when

56:07

you're at the highest level? You can't. You can't.

56:09

When was the last time you got drunk? Man,

56:13

I don't know. It's been a while. For real? Not

56:16

even like recently you guys were all in fucking

56:18

Maui hunting pigs and fucking Joe

56:20

and everyone's around. They're like, ah, let's have

56:22

a cold beer. And you're

56:24

just like, I'll have a water. A

56:28

Diet Coke usually. Sometimes

56:30

you ever feel like you're like a real bad boy and you have a

56:32

regular Coke? Yeah,

56:35

if I'm getting crazy. It's a

56:37

lot of sugar. Well, I stayed

56:39

away from Diet Coke for so long

56:42

that probably like in

56:44

the last year, a couple of times, I've been like,

56:46

hey, let me get a regular Coke. And I have

56:48

a sip and I'm like, ooh. I know, yes. I'm

56:51

like, this is fucking wild. You lunatonic. You're

56:53

a nasty boy. Yeah. It

56:56

hits so different. You're like, I can't have too much of

56:58

it. This is crazy. What's

57:00

your favorite part of po hunting? I

57:02

like the challenge. I like being in the mountains.

57:04

I like being in tune. You know, it's like,

57:07

what I like about it is in normal life,

57:09

we're a lot of distractions, a lot of shit

57:11

going on in the mountains. It's so pure. And

57:14

it's just like you versus the animal. You're

57:17

impacted by the mountains themselves, the weather. And

57:20

it's just as pure as it gets, as

57:22

far as living. No distractions. And

57:24

that's what, that

57:27

can be hard for people. You've hunted countless

57:30

times, right? Yeah, in my 40 years. So

57:35

in all those times, have you, because everybody

57:37

always wonders this, have you had threat

57:39

encounters where you're like, oh shit. Like everybody

57:41

always thinks about. That would be

57:43

the reason I wouldn't go hunt. And the

57:45

big, I mean, in grizzly country,

57:48

that's a real threat. Sure. The

57:50

big bears. Have you had that encounter?

57:52

Yeah, definitely. And what has happened? Well,

57:57

I mean, I just had, so I've

57:59

had a couple charges. One time

58:01

I killed this brown bear, my buddy Roy,

58:03

who got me into bow hunting, who died in

58:05

2015, he fell hunting, he was

58:08

sheep hunting and fell and died. Oh my God.

58:10

Off of like a cliff mountain?

58:13

Yep. And sheep are in

58:15

really rugged countries. Oh, right. And

58:17

like on sides of... Yeah. But that's

58:19

what we loved. The bigger the

58:21

adventure, the crazier the adventure, that's what we

58:23

loved. We lived for that. So,

58:27

earlier that year, when I

58:29

was 2015, he fell on October

58:31

4th, I believe is when he fell. We

58:34

had done a moose hunt two weeks

58:37

prior and I killed a big, a

58:39

good moose and really good video. But

58:41

the hunt right before that, I had done brown bear, which

58:44

are grizzly that eat on fish.

58:46

So, if they're

58:49

on the ocean, they're called brown bear. If

58:51

they're inland, they're called grizzly. Same species. Really?

58:55

Yeah. But the brown bear

58:57

get bigger because... And more aggressive, right? I

59:00

think grizzlies are more aggressive because they have

59:02

to work harder for their kills. A

59:05

brown bear can eat salmon in

59:07

the water. So they're not working that hard, but so

59:09

they get bigger because they have all that protein. So

59:12

they can get up to a thousand pounds where a

59:14

grizzly would be like 600 pounds, but they're fast.

59:18

So I killed

59:21

or I snuck up on

59:23

this brown

59:25

bear in the tidal flats in this

59:27

grass, sat up and I

59:29

shot the arrow went frontal

59:31

right here and it bear

59:34

took off, went down. This

59:37

female grizzly or brown

59:39

bear with full grown cubs, the cubs will

59:41

hang out with their mom. They

59:44

don't need the mom, but they still kind of hang out for another year

59:46

or so with her. So

59:49

she heard the

59:51

arrow hit the bear

59:53

and she got kind of

59:55

alarmed because she was about a hundred yards away, stood

59:57

up in the grass and was like looking

59:59

around. like this came running towards me,

1:00:02

picked up where I had hit that brown

1:00:04

bear and there's blood on the ground for

1:00:06

the arrow had caused a hemorrhage. And

1:00:09

she started tracking that bear, that other bear,

1:00:11

smelling blood, smell blood, just like just

1:00:14

going crazy. And

1:00:16

my buddy Roy, he had, I

1:00:18

went back to him and he

1:00:20

had a rifle and this

1:00:23

female goes out to the bear I killed as

1:00:25

a boar, a male, and she starts tearing

1:00:27

it up, like attacking it and it's dead. And

1:00:30

I was like, I tell Roy, I said, I go,

1:00:32

she's tearing up my bear. And I

1:00:34

said, shoot out there. And so we didn't want to

1:00:36

kill another bear, but wanted to

1:00:38

spook her off from she's tearing up the hide,

1:00:40

doing all this crazy shit, just grass

1:00:42

and everything was going crazy. So she shoots,

1:00:44

boom. And she

1:00:47

didn't even nothing. And I said, shoot again,

1:00:50

shoots again. And she looks up like this and she

1:00:52

looks and then she sees us because we're in grass.

1:00:54

So it's like grass is only about up to here.

1:00:56

We're standing up. She sees us full

1:00:58

bore, sprinting.

1:01:01

So the bear made it 130 yards dead. So

1:01:04

she had 130 yards to cover. And

1:01:06

she's like, and Roy said, she's

1:01:09

coming full speed. Roy said, if

1:01:11

she crosses a creek, I'm going

1:01:13

to have to shoot her. And I said, yeah. And

1:01:16

so she bombs right across that creek. And it

1:01:18

didn't even slow down. It gets right up to

1:01:20

us, 20 yards away,

1:01:22

stops, stands up. And

1:01:25

we're like, Hey, get out of here. Get out of here.

1:01:27

And we're like, staring, like standing up on her back legs,

1:01:29

like looking like this. And Roy's like,

1:01:31

you know, I have my bow and I have

1:01:33

an arrow knocked. It's not going to really do

1:01:35

shit, but I talked about this in the book

1:01:37

if you remember. But anyway, the bear drops

1:01:39

down and charges and Roy

1:01:42

shoots and hits her like,

1:01:44

this aiming just frontal, but hit her in between

1:01:47

the head and the shoulder and just folded her

1:01:49

dead. And we

1:01:51

had it on video. And I was,

1:01:53

what you hear on the video is I just

1:01:55

go fuck. And he's like,

1:01:57

dude, I had to. And I said, I know. fucking

1:02:00

kill another bear because I just killed a bear.

1:02:02

Yeah. And it was a good clean kill, big

1:02:05

male. And now we had

1:02:07

this, the cubs were going to, they

1:02:09

were over a year old, so they were going to be

1:02:11

fine. But we had another dead brown

1:02:13

bear. And so

1:02:15

we called fishing game, filled out the thing. It's

1:02:17

called defensive life and

1:02:20

property. So it's legal to do that if

1:02:23

whatever. So that was one. And

1:02:26

then just the last grizzly hunt I did, I

1:02:28

was up in, up

1:02:30

in hunting inland and I hit

1:02:32

this bear and it

1:02:34

perfect, you know, should,

1:02:37

should have been perfect. I hit a little far

1:02:39

forward right here on a

1:02:41

broadside bear and it takes

1:02:43

off and we follow

1:02:45

blood and when you're hunting grizzly, you

1:02:47

have to have a guide if you're a non-resident, if

1:02:50

you don't live in Alaska, you're called a non-resident. So

1:02:53

there was a guide there and we go into the

1:02:55

really thick alders and I could tell it's like, God,

1:02:57

it wasn't a perfect shot because the bear would have

1:02:59

been dead already. We had went like a couple hundred

1:03:02

yards. Normally a perfect shot, they'll

1:03:04

go 50 yards. You take out their lungs, they're

1:03:06

going to die. So

1:03:08

it went a couple hundred yards and got

1:03:10

in these really thick alders and

1:03:12

everybody was like really, you know,

1:03:15

it's pretty anxious time. It's pretty

1:03:17

intense. A wounded grizzly in the

1:03:19

alders, really thick. So

1:03:23

we're following this blood getting down there and

1:03:26

the guide was off to my left and

1:03:28

I was right here and he

1:03:30

goes, he goes dead bear. And

1:03:32

I said, Oh good. You know, I look, I

1:03:34

said, Oh, okay. I could see that blonde hide

1:03:37

from the grizzly and he's

1:03:39

like, wait, no, it

1:03:41

moved, it moved his head. And I was like,

1:03:43

don't shoot because like

1:03:45

for a bow hunter, if a

1:03:47

gun is involved, it, it's not

1:03:49

a bow kill anymore. So

1:03:52

I'm a bow hunter. That's all I do.

1:03:55

And so I said, don't shoot. And and

1:03:58

he goes, okay. And I said, let me. and

1:04:01

finish it. And so I get

1:04:03

down in there and I'm

1:04:06

trying to get a shot. It's like maybe from here to the wall

1:04:08

there. And yeah, but the alders

1:04:10

were so thick. So I'm a full

1:04:12

drawn, I'm down on one knee, trying

1:04:15

to get a, and bears like sitting there

1:04:17

looking like this, but it was hurt. Couldn't really,

1:04:20

it was, you know, fatally wounded.

1:04:22

Just hadn't died yet. And

1:04:26

about a split second starts coming right

1:04:29

at me. But it's only, you know,

1:04:31

15 feet away basically. And

1:04:34

so I shoot, I finally had

1:04:36

a, found a window to shoot through. I

1:04:38

shot, hit the bear in the chest.

1:04:41

The guide shot, hit the bear in

1:04:43

the hip and kind of spun it

1:04:45

and it was dead. But, and

1:04:48

on that one too, I was like, fuck. Cause it

1:04:50

was like another, I hate having

1:04:52

guns involved, but I couldn't blame him. Cause

1:04:54

it was that close, right? They just had

1:04:57

a hunter just got attacked. I

1:04:59

think the year prior on a wounded grizzly. Cause it,

1:05:02

they're tough. Freaking grizzlies are

1:05:04

tough. So you

1:05:06

can't, yeah, you weren't pissed that. No,

1:05:09

I just pissed at the situation. He

1:05:11

did what he had to do. I mean, I

1:05:13

just said, and before we went down there, I

1:05:15

said, I don't want guns involved. I don't want even, I just

1:05:17

want to go down there. And if it's

1:05:20

a mess, I need to clean up. I did it. And

1:05:23

my attitude is always, if I'm

1:05:25

trying to kill this bear, if something happens, then it kills

1:05:27

me. That's

1:05:30

just the way it goes. That's what I was trying to do. So it's like, that's

1:05:34

the deal, right? So I didn't want the guns

1:05:36

involved. He's just doing his job though. So it's

1:05:38

like, I can't be mad at that. I was

1:05:40

just mad. I made kind

1:05:42

of a marginal shot that didn't kill

1:05:45

the bear as quickly as I should have. Can I ask

1:05:47

you, I want to ask you this, one other question about

1:05:49

hunting. Cause you've hunted so much. What

1:05:53

percent, like I always imagine, you always imagine

1:05:56

when people go on hunts, whether

1:05:58

it's for deer. turkey

1:06:00

or bear whatever moose

1:06:03

that not every hunt

1:06:06

nets you what you're out for right yeah

1:06:09

generally now I mean like an elk hunt success is 10% so

1:06:11

that's I was gonna ask

1:06:13

like shut up so does it sometimes you just

1:06:15

go for a walk well

1:06:18

it's a walk

1:06:20

with purpose but but what what

1:06:22

percentage of hunts that you

1:06:24

go on I guess overall net you

1:06:27

what you were out for me

1:06:30

yeah you I mean I

1:06:34

haven't not killed on a hunt

1:06:37

I mean I just had a mountain lion hunt where I just

1:06:39

didn't see a lion that I wanted to kill

1:06:41

so it's kind of like a whatever

1:06:44

but before that it'd

1:06:46

been since 2009 since I hadn't

1:06:48

killed so you always have

1:06:50

killed something but

1:06:53

species why or like you know

1:06:55

animal does it does the variable change

1:06:57

animal animal and it's yeah so elk is 10%

1:06:59

deer is about 20% there's there's

1:07:02

more deer than elk you know elk are just

1:07:05

lower number you're just a better hunter than

1:07:07

because you said you're not having had not

1:07:10

worked really hard okay I worked really hard

1:07:12

I'm not I'm not better than anybody I

1:07:14

probably just sacrificed more to be to to

1:07:18

put more odds in my favor

1:07:20

and you know just

1:07:22

have done it a long time so I have

1:07:24

a lot of experience where's the mountain lion hunt

1:07:26

take place that was Colorado is that a season

1:07:28

two for them yeah mm-hmm that

1:07:30

feels like a fucking terrifying hunt to be on

1:07:33

yeah that one you do use

1:07:36

dogs for that so I could

1:07:38

do that just seeing just seeing

1:07:40

a lion they're so nocturnal and

1:07:43

so whatever so dialed

1:07:45

in you just walking around you hardly ever

1:07:47

see them I mean I've seen a night

1:07:49

hunt no it's during the day but

1:07:51

they can track them and then they tree them and

1:07:54

so basically the dogs are doing the work so

1:07:56

the dogs are like they're

1:07:58

the dogs are incredible they're your tool for

1:08:00

that hunt. It's not a bow, not a

1:08:02

rifle per se. It's the dog as the

1:08:05

hunting tool. They're just really good. They're bred

1:08:07

for it. They love it. They love the

1:08:09

chase. So that's how

1:08:11

you'd, I've never killed a mountain lion. That was,

1:08:13

I was doing it because in Colorado

1:08:16

right now, they have a very liberal

1:08:18

governor. They're going after hunting. They reintroduce

1:08:20

wolves, which are going to knock down

1:08:22

elk and deer populations, which I think

1:08:25

the goal is to, so they can

1:08:27

say, we don't need hunting anymore. We don't need

1:08:29

hunting to control these numbers. So this, their

1:08:31

governors is he's got a husband. So

1:08:34

that's, that's, that's,

1:08:38

I took me a second at process. I

1:08:40

was like, wait, he's got a husband. So

1:08:42

I was going there just to try to

1:08:44

tell the story about mountain lions and why

1:08:46

it's important to manage it.

1:08:48

And it's like, where I was saying that his husband

1:08:50

hunts, his husband does not hunt

1:08:53

and he doesn't hunt. I didn't, I'm not

1:08:55

sure what they do. But

1:08:58

I think the goal is to like definitely

1:09:00

stop mountain lion hunting. Yeah. And

1:09:02

then stop all hunting. The other time, there's

1:09:05

times that like LA gets mountain lion

1:09:07

problems. Like there's that famous picture with

1:09:09

the Hollywood sign right there with that

1:09:11

big lion. And I mean, I,

1:09:14

I just ran up to the sign like two days ago

1:09:16

and it's like, it's,

1:09:18

there's coyotes all over up there. That's another

1:09:20

one. That's one of the craziest things. When

1:09:22

you, when I moved to LA, you move

1:09:25

into like, you know, I'd never lived

1:09:27

in a major city. I'm

1:09:30

moving to Los Angeles, second biggest city,

1:09:33

one of the world's great, you know, cities. And

1:09:35

you're like, this is a city, right? And

1:09:38

like a few things, one time I'm

1:09:40

driving down fountain, which is one of

1:09:42

Hollywood's big streets. And

1:09:45

this is like, I don't know, like middle of

1:09:47

the day. And I just see a coyote

1:09:51

with a dog in its mouth just jogging.

1:09:53

And I'm like, this is not fucking fountain.

1:09:55

And then when I moved

1:09:57

into the valley, we we

1:10:01

would see coyotes up

1:10:04

and down the street early morning, especially if you were up

1:10:06

early, and you'd see them

1:10:08

hunting through or jumping through people's yards, just

1:10:10

stepping around, and then you would see things

1:10:12

like rabbit torn

1:10:14

to pieces in a front yard,

1:10:16

and another time in the

1:10:19

valley, I saw a coyote with a

1:10:21

dog in its mouth where

1:10:23

I used to live in Woodland Hills. Yeah,

1:10:27

coyotes, they say coyotes kill 60%

1:10:29

of deer fawns. Wow.

1:10:32

So the baby deer that are born, coyotes

1:10:35

are killing 60% of them. Wow. They,

1:10:38

you know, if you think about a coyote, it's like people

1:10:40

will say, well, you don't need to eat meat,

1:10:42

you could have this, whatever type of diet. A

1:10:44

coyote, they gotta kill. They're not, what

1:10:46

else are they gonna eat? There's no

1:10:48

dog food. You know, they're not going to

1:10:51

the store, so they're killing all the time,

1:10:53

always hunting, always killing, and it's like, they're

1:10:55

really good at it, too. Yeah, they're good

1:10:57

at it. Yeah, but it's. What was it

1:10:59

like? What was it like? Because we both

1:11:02

know Joe, when

1:11:05

he gets passionate about comedy, you

1:11:07

can call him up. Or pool. You

1:11:09

can just, yeah, pool or fucking. But

1:11:13

like, you met Joe when he decided he was

1:11:15

gonna start becoming a hunter. What

1:11:17

was that early, because

1:11:19

he's the most curious fucking

1:11:21

guy. Also obsessive. Obsessive, obsessive.

1:11:23

What was that initial relationship

1:11:25

like? I

1:11:28

can only imagine he was almost calling you

1:11:30

every day, going like, hey, I have another

1:11:32

question. Yeah, yeah. What was that initial relationship

1:11:35

like? It was pretty cool because at

1:11:37

that time, I was just grinding in Oregon.

1:11:39

Nobody really knew who I was. I

1:11:42

was putting my YouTube videos up, and

1:11:45

Joe, he loves YouTube. I mean, he

1:11:47

is always looking at stuff, researching

1:11:50

stuff, he's always on there. So

1:11:52

he saw that shooting

1:11:55

a bow, and I was carrying the rock up the mountain. That's

1:11:57

one of the workouts that I do, is I carry that fucking

1:11:59

rock. Yeah, and so I had a

1:12:02

video of it and that's the one

1:12:04

that daddy Huberman Huber daddy

1:12:06

Huber daddy carried out Yeah,

1:12:08

yeah. Yeah that with the no shirt

1:12:10

on that one. Oh, yeah go viral Yeah,

1:12:17

so Joe in 2014 tweeted

1:12:20

he said hey Cameron Hayes you ever want to

1:12:22

come to LA and talk about bow hunting and

1:12:24

training and And so that

1:12:27

was it. I I took a bow down there.

1:12:29

That's what I do. Yeah. Yeah. I want to

1:12:31

talk about training a bow hunting Yeah, so I

1:12:33

was like shit So I took him a bow

1:12:36

and showed him just kind of the basics on shooting a

1:12:38

bow and I said hey We should go on a on

1:12:40

a hunt and he's like yeah, fuck. Yeah, I want to

1:12:42

do a hunt and I said, okay,

1:12:44

well There's a good

1:12:46

hunt I do up in Alberta with the rivets

1:12:49

is his family up there They've become really good

1:12:51

friends, but it's in Alberta tons

1:12:53

of bear up there They have

1:12:55

to they have to kill bear to

1:12:57

keep the moose and deer numbers healthy,

1:12:59

right? Because bear just just like coyotes

1:13:01

they'll kill a bunch of the fawns and

1:13:03

the out calves and the moose calves so

1:13:07

You can go up there and kill two two black bears. So

1:13:09

I told Joe I said This is

1:13:11

a really good first bow hunt because I can

1:13:13

be there right with you the bear. There's so

1:13:15

many of them We

1:13:18

bait them in and Cuz

1:13:20

it's such thick brush. You couldn't hunt

1:13:22

them. Otherwise like a bowl of honey No,

1:13:25

like we use oats

1:13:29

Yeah, just like oats and then

1:13:31

mix some grease in and it's pretty good

1:13:33

You know, so it actually makes them the

1:13:35

meat is really good, too But so I

1:13:37

told Joe I said we can go

1:13:39

up there then I can I can be with you

1:13:41

and I can say whether it's A male or a

1:13:44

female because we want to kill big old males. That's

1:13:46

that's best for the health of the of the bear

1:13:49

Numbers there you take out a

1:13:51

big old male that's already done its job as

1:13:53

far as passing on genetics and things like that

1:13:56

And so I said I can be there we can identify the

1:13:58

right bear and I can you know, tell you when

1:14:01

it was a good shot. So we did that.

1:14:03

He killed a nice bear on his first ever

1:14:05

bow hunt in 2014. What was, what

1:14:07

was, what was Joe, Joe Rogan's reaction? Uh, kill.

1:14:11

He, you know, you know where it was. So

1:14:14

he's pretty subdued on that one, like pretty chill,

1:14:16

you know, cause he's done a lot of things

1:14:19

where the next year I took him on his

1:14:21

first elk hunt. And, uh, that

1:14:24

was like, he, like

1:14:26

I said, he is, can be calm

1:14:28

even in tense situations, but we had

1:14:30

two bulls coming in bugling and

1:14:33

he said at that time and they came

1:14:35

in really close, like in bow range and

1:14:37

they're like, have you heard an elk bugle?

1:14:39

Mm-hmm. Have you? On a

1:14:42

video. Yeah, right. So in person,

1:14:44

it feels like it's going to blow your hat off.

1:14:46

It's loud. They sound like

1:14:48

some prehistoric animal. And then these big antlers

1:14:51

come through and, and so we're on this

1:14:53

little creek, creek bed and coming down the

1:14:55

ridges on either side of the creek beds

1:14:57

were these two bulls. So Joe

1:14:59

at that time said that, you

1:15:02

know, he's done, he's fought, he's

1:15:04

done comedy, he's done, you know,

1:15:06

TV. He's like, that's

1:15:08

the most intense moment he's ever

1:15:11

been in with those bulls coming

1:15:13

in and bugling. So that is,

1:15:16

and that is, and you guys took those two down or? No,

1:15:18

no, we didn't even kill either one of them.

1:15:20

But I got you. Yeah. That was like, that

1:15:23

was like, that's hunting. Just

1:15:25

a real life hunting. Just primal, primal. You're

1:15:27

there. We're on our knees in this creek

1:15:29

bed with the bow and arrow and these

1:15:31

bulls are, are lighting up. They think they're

1:15:33

going to come in and fight each other

1:15:35

because they're aggressive. That's how they do it.

1:15:38

And they bugle on the way to announce like

1:15:40

the herds like, Oh, now's our

1:15:43

presence type thing. It's fucking intense. And

1:15:45

Joe said that too. He's like, this

1:15:47

was, this was unlike anything

1:15:49

I've ever experienced. So that's when he was really

1:15:51

hooked. That's when he got, that's when he got

1:15:53

hooked. And then you couldn't even talk to him

1:15:55

anymore. Yeah. Like he would be like, he was

1:15:57

so obsessed with hunting. I love that he gets

1:15:59

obsessed. like that. Would

1:16:03

it be a bad thing if we killed a bear, considering

1:16:06

our brand is two bears? I think

1:16:08

people would like it. We

1:16:10

should kill a bear. Be fun. Sure.

1:16:13

You guys want to kill a bear? Yeah. I'm

1:16:16

going bear hunting in two weeks. You know, I'm

1:16:18

a master archer, right? You are? Pull

1:16:21

it up. So we

1:16:23

grew up, we grew up, just regular

1:16:28

boars. Like a recurve? Recurve boars. We

1:16:30

grew up recurved boars. And I'm a

1:16:33

Burke Kreischer, elite athlete.

1:16:35

Is this it? Yeah.

1:16:38

And so I like to be sneaky athletic.

1:16:40

Yeah. I like when people don't know that

1:16:42

I'm athletic, but I'm pretty good with

1:16:44

a bow. We have bows at the house, but just recurve.

1:16:46

I used to shoot with a girl in the backyard. And

1:16:49

so we're doing a set of a show and snoop's there. I

1:16:51

was like, give me your bow. Take a look at my form,

1:16:53

Cam. Tell me what you think. I think I did see this.

1:16:55

Take a look at my form. Tell me what you

1:16:58

think. What year was this? This was like three

1:17:01

years ago. So, um,

1:17:04

that shirt's sick. The

1:17:06

fat underneath it is probably. Yeah. How much more did

1:17:09

you weigh there? Don't listen. Let's talk about it. Okay.

1:17:11

But the guy was trying to shoot a bullseye and

1:17:13

I was like, all right, but I can shoot a

1:17:15

bullseye. Yeah. And they're like, no fucking way. And I

1:17:17

just pull back and

1:17:25

boom and can't. Holy shit. Yeah. There you

1:17:27

go. So we have bows at the house.

1:17:29

I enjoy shooting. I enjoy shooting pretty good,

1:17:32

but I thought it was going to be

1:17:34

like, have you seen that one where

1:17:36

they guys going to shoot something off the

1:17:38

guys head and hit him in the forehead? Yeah.

1:17:40

Yeah. Was that Russian? I think so. They don't

1:17:42

fuck around. They're just like, that's okay. Drag them

1:17:44

off. Yeah. We were in Hawaii. We were in

1:17:46

Hawaii and they're also doing like car jiu-jitsu, like

1:17:48

seat belts. Oh, that's fucking bad. And

1:17:51

phone booth. Yeah. They're out of

1:17:53

their minds. Also every pre-fight, like

1:17:56

if they're going to fight later the next day

1:17:58

at the, you know, like the. weigh-in kind of

1:18:00

thing. They'll just like crack someone's

1:18:02

head wide open and be like, yeah. And

1:18:04

you're like, dude, the fight's over. Like, you're

1:18:06

not fighting tomorrow. And there's no issue about

1:18:09

it. It's never like a thing. Tommy, let's

1:18:11

get into bow hunting. I think it'd be

1:18:13

a really cool thing to get into. Oh,

1:18:15

that's the other thing is, yeah, with Joe

1:18:17

too, is like once you guys started hunting,

1:18:20

his training and

1:18:22

regimen and weight was all about, oh,

1:18:25

hunting's coming up. I gotta like gain

1:18:27

10 pounds or I gotta, it

1:18:29

was all about hunting. And you've seen him be

1:18:31

obsessive like with your, the October

1:18:33

October. So that's what he is. And

1:18:36

he'll, he gets like that

1:18:38

with archery. He'll shoot too much. He'll

1:18:41

be standing out in his yard in Texas, you know, it's

1:18:43

240 degrees. And

1:18:45

just soaking this drenched in sweat.

1:18:48

And he'll actually, he shoots way more than

1:18:50

I shoot because that's his brain.

1:18:52

Yeah, that is definitely his brain. But

1:18:54

like with the hunting too, people,

1:18:56

you know, it would be good for you

1:18:58

guys to expose it, a

1:19:00

different audience to hunting because people have this

1:19:02

misconception about bears. Like there's not very many

1:19:05

bears. There's so many fucking bears out there.

1:19:07

They have to be controlled. Cause

1:19:09

we just, we don't have unlimited habitat like back

1:19:11

in the day. Our cities

1:19:13

have encroached. It's, you know, habitats is

1:19:16

shrinking. So we have to be able

1:19:19

to hunt them. And then people

1:19:21

think, well, they're almost, there's not very many

1:19:23

bear. No, there's fucking a lot of bear.

1:19:25

And also the meat's good. So people think

1:19:27

they don't know you can eat meat. So

1:19:30

you guys telling that story would be incredible.

1:19:32

Yeah, that'd be cool. What size, I'm gonna

1:19:34

go buy a bow today. What size, what

1:19:36

poundage do I want? I

1:19:38

mean, you'll start low. Cause it's, you

1:19:41

know, when I had Huberman, Huberman is

1:19:43

jacked, right? Yeah. His bow, he had to

1:19:45

start super low because it's such a, you've

1:19:48

shot before though. But when you haven't shot

1:19:50

like he hadn't shot, it's- It's

1:19:52

a unique, different thing. It's all, it's so

1:19:54

different. But now he shot yesterday

1:19:56

in his yard. We're sitting there and he's like,

1:19:59

the bow's turned up. It's whatever but

1:20:01

to start off normally people are pretty

1:20:03

low Then your body just like

1:20:05

we talked about running your body adapts and then

1:20:07

you get to take what what's low? What's the

1:20:10

like 40 pounds is pretty low. So that's what that's a

1:20:12

good starting point Yeah, you get it both and then like

1:20:14

if you could get up to like 60 pounds

1:20:17

you kill a bear pretty Yeah, they

1:20:20

had a 60 pound bow on Steve cases

1:20:22

land in Hawaii. Mmm, and it

1:20:24

was raining We were under a tent and they had

1:20:26

their their You know you

1:20:28

get the like plastic pigs or whatever. Yeah, yeah

1:20:30

And and we were drunk and I was

1:20:32

like yeah, bring the bow out I bet you hit the pig from

1:20:35

here and they're like bullshit It

1:20:37

was all travel channel and I pulled

1:20:39

it back and it's it's interesting If you've never used

1:20:41

a compound bow, you don't know that once you get

1:20:44

to a certain pot spot It releases and you can

1:20:46

steady yourself. So no one on our crew could get

1:20:48

it back to there Yeah And then I got it

1:20:50

back there Fucking lit it up

1:20:52

from under a fucking tent in the rain

1:20:54

drunk as fuck and these Hawaiians were losing

1:20:57

their mind What do

1:20:59

you work? What do you use? What's yours at? Mine's

1:21:02

at 90 90 Yeah, but

1:21:04

that's that you don't need to One

1:21:07

other thing cuz I don't want to forget to ask with

1:21:09

all because we talked about like how you know You push

1:21:12

yourself so hard and you do with all

1:21:14

these like incredible physical feats What

1:21:17

physically has been like has

1:21:19

everything kept up pretty well. Have you had

1:21:21

like major? Injuries

1:21:24

or no. No, so like knees ankles,

1:21:26

whatever. Good. That's amazing. Yeah, all good. It's

1:21:28

but part of it is too is like,

1:21:30

you know Living pretty

1:21:32

clean you live clean. Yes, and I

1:21:35

eat you take recovery seriously Yeah, all

1:21:37

of it, you know, I got the sauna the hot

1:21:39

tub. I get massages twice a week I got a

1:21:41

massage table at my house. Yeah, so they come in

1:21:43

twice a week do that Yeah, I

1:21:45

mean I'm I push hard so I I

1:21:48

have to do all those little things Yeah,

1:21:50

you do that. I'm fucking old to not

1:21:52

old. So it's it's a but I feel

1:21:54

to be honest I feel

1:21:57

better now that I did in my 20s when I was drinking

1:21:59

and being a fuck So

1:22:01

it's like, it's crazy

1:22:03

what, and you look at me and

1:22:05

Joe have talked about this, because he's

1:22:08

three months older than me, August and

1:22:10

then mine's October, but both 56. Back

1:22:13

in the day, if you looked at somebody

1:22:15

who's 56, you'd be like, look at that old man.

1:22:17

It looked good. And that guy looked like shit. Wilford

1:22:19

Brimley and Cocoon was 52. Cocoon, he was 52. And

1:22:24

they're like, he's about to die. And

1:22:26

you look at Joe now, he's fucking

1:22:28

jacked, right? And so it's like, nowadays

1:22:31

with the diet, with the supplements, with, you

1:22:34

know, we know more, we train a little better.

1:22:37

You don't have to be old. You don't have

1:22:39

to be old for a long time. And

1:22:42

I'm still very active. So I do a lot of

1:22:44

the little things to keep that going. It's awesome, man.

1:22:48

But I want to say, if you guys

1:22:50

did, there's something, you know,

1:22:54

when Joe started hunting, he was

1:22:56

like, oh, this

1:22:58

is how it's supposed to, it feels, even

1:23:01

shooting a bow, feels familiar,

1:23:04

even though you've never done it. Because that's

1:23:06

how we've survived. We

1:23:10

survived as hunters in killing. So

1:23:13

when you do it, you're like, why

1:23:16

does this feel familiar to me? It's

1:23:19

because that's, it is, it's there. This

1:23:22

normal life that we do where somebody else is

1:23:24

doing all the killing for us and they give

1:23:26

us a tray with our food, that's not normal.

1:23:29

That's not how, for fucking, up

1:23:32

until, you know, 200 years ago or 300 years

1:23:34

ago, that's how it ever was. It was always

1:23:36

like, can you be a provider? So

1:23:39

when you are a provider and you're bringing that meat

1:23:41

home to your family, it's fucking powerful. I bet. I

1:23:44

would love that. I mean, I know the

1:23:46

power of when Joe gives you fucking 20 pounds

1:23:48

of elk. For him,

1:23:50

it's powerful too. So if you could do that and

1:23:52

you say, hey, I killed this bear. I want you

1:23:54

to make a meal with it, dude.

1:23:57

There's nothing sweet. There's nothing. There's

1:24:00

nothing in life that's going to give you that type

1:24:02

of reward. When's bear season? Like

1:24:04

I said, I'm going in two weeks. You

1:24:08

guys are are active. Like what was what

1:24:10

was why? Why are you guys doing five

1:24:12

K's now? I mean, how much weight have

1:24:14

you lost and how much have you lost?

1:24:17

I'm curious. I mean, over

1:24:19

the last few

1:24:22

years, probably like around

1:24:24

50, because I see old videos

1:24:26

of you. It's like,

1:24:28

fuck. Yeah, like 50 pounds. Tom hurt himself.

1:24:30

It kind of was a reset. It

1:24:33

was a reset for Tom. I remember talking to Joe the next

1:24:35

day on the phone and being like, oh,

1:24:38

we've like when

1:24:40

you start losing your hair, you go, oh, I got a foot

1:24:43

in the grave. Like I'm dying. I'm

1:24:45

the body's falling apart. And

1:24:48

that symbol symbolic for and at that

1:24:50

moment I realized we can't go play

1:24:52

basketball anymore. And I was like, oh,

1:24:54

I got to change this. But I didn't for a long time. I even got

1:24:56

bigger. I got up to 280

1:24:58

probably maybe even bigger. Who was it?

1:25:01

Who was I talking to? I was

1:25:03

talking to Matt Mitrione and he said,

1:25:05

what's the patties you've ever been? I said, 270 goes

1:25:08

to 85 then. I went, no,

1:25:10

270. He goes, buddy, the day you didn't get on

1:25:12

the scale, that was 285. Yeah, and

1:25:14

I was like, fuck. Yeah.

1:25:17

And so but then I think this Tommy's

1:25:20

transformation was inspiring.

1:25:23

And then I just got

1:25:25

to a place where I was like, this isn't this isn't

1:25:28

I got friends in high school that I went to high

1:25:30

school with go, this isn't who you are like this.

1:25:32

I know this is like a thing that you

1:25:34

know, you're doing really well, but this isn't who you are. And

1:25:37

I went out and did Emily. I was really fat.

1:25:39

I did Emily and I hit a home

1:25:41

run with the kids. I went up to take

1:25:43

batting practice. I hit a home run. And I

1:25:45

was like, this is who I used to be. And

1:25:48

I was like, I got really into I got

1:25:51

really into fucking obsessive almost now.

1:25:54

I think it doesn't lend its your comedy brain

1:25:56

well when you're thinking about your workouts and you're

1:25:58

thinking about your runs. It's better to

1:26:00

be a fucking stoner sitting on a couch just going like,

1:26:03

you know, whatever. I was gonna think of

1:26:05

jokes all day, but I'm so

1:26:07

fucking happy. I like it way more. I like

1:26:10

it way more. I feel joy. But when you're,

1:26:13

I mean, when you're running, don't you have

1:26:15

some good ideas? When I'm walking. Walking. When

1:26:17

I walk, I go for a hike. I can think real clean. When

1:26:19

I run, my brain shuts

1:26:22

off. Okay. Because I know

1:26:24

when I'm, I have to use my notes thing on my phone

1:26:26

because I'm like, sometimes it's weird.

1:26:28

It's like you think after you do a run, you'd be

1:26:31

in a better mood. But when I'm running, sometimes I obsess

1:26:33

about things. I get pissed off. But

1:26:36

then also sometimes I think about like

1:26:38

just lines that are just perfect for like an

1:26:40

article or something or, or whatever I'm

1:26:42

working on. And I have to stop and remember because

1:26:44

it's like, oh, if you say, Oh, I got to

1:26:46

remember that. I fucking care. Walks

1:26:48

are incredible. Walks are perfect. Do you guys

1:26:50

like do voice memos on a walk or

1:26:53

text yourself or something? Yeah. I

1:26:55

don't have notes or I even, you know, stop

1:26:57

type something out. But yeah, it comes to you.

1:26:59

Yeah. But the feeling, the lifestyle

1:27:02

of focusing on being

1:27:05

more active, like, you know, on tour, we

1:27:08

basically, we land,

1:27:10

drop bags, go to the gym

1:27:12

or drop bags, go for a run. Like,

1:27:14

yeah. And, and part of the routine, part

1:27:16

of the routine. And then our eating is much,

1:27:18

much cleaner than it used to be. You know, it's

1:27:20

like, it's pretty clean eating. Yeah. Always

1:27:23

kind of in the hunt of some type

1:27:25

of protein. Yeah. You know, on the

1:27:27

road and like, I just feel better. And then

1:27:29

it's, you know, I'm always trying to

1:27:32

get better sleep. Like I thought that's a big

1:27:34

part of it. Well,

1:27:36

so you guys have never been, you know,

1:27:39

bigger, like, as far as popularity. And

1:27:41

it's like, do you think it goes

1:27:43

hand in hand with like this elevated living

1:27:46

that you're doing, like more healthy living. And now you're

1:27:48

able to, to perform

1:27:51

at a higher level. I don't know. I know

1:27:53

it's not possible to do the touring I've been

1:27:55

doing. If I were

1:27:58

living the way I lived 10 years ago. It

1:28:00

would be impossible. I

1:28:02

was gonna die. You're generating

1:28:04

so much, like with all the podcasts and

1:28:06

the fucking events and the... You can't live...

1:28:10

That's a lot. No, it's taxing, man. It's taxing. And

1:28:12

all the travel... But you built your bodies up to

1:28:14

build it. Do it. Yeah, in

1:28:16

a way it sounds bizarre, but it's kind

1:28:18

of like our hunting season,

1:28:20

right? Like, if you... Purpose.

1:28:22

Yeah. You have to be able to

1:28:25

be on six flights for

1:28:28

five cities this week and do

1:28:30

things that... You gotta be here at

1:28:32

9am, here at... Go do the

1:28:35

show, get on a plane, travel the next city.

1:28:37

If you were just drinking,

1:28:39

eating like shit and not exercising,

1:28:42

there is a breaking point in that. Yeah. You

1:28:45

could probably do it if you were doing that at 25,

1:28:47

30 maybe. 51 is tough. You can't do it like that

1:28:49

later. I travel with a gym. Even

1:28:52

when I was in my fattest, I was still working out.

1:28:54

We travel with a gym inside our bus.

1:28:57

But for me, it is, I mean,

1:29:00

like clockwork every day at 6pm,

1:29:02

we go to the arena's gym

1:29:04

and we work out hard as fuck up

1:29:06

until 7 o'clock. Michael, what do you do? Everything.

1:29:09

Like weights, mostly? Mostly

1:29:12

weights. Mostly weights. Get on a

1:29:14

treadmill, do an assault bike. They have great gyms in

1:29:16

the arenas. So you can use the fucking... You know

1:29:18

who is fucking hardcore

1:29:21

with the working out? But I mean, I know

1:29:23

he looks great, so it is not that big

1:29:25

of a surprise. But when we got to see

1:29:27

it in person, I was playing, I don't remember

1:29:29

if it was like Salt Lake or one of

1:29:31

those, one of the arenas. And

1:29:34

as we were wrapping

1:29:37

up, there were trucks coming

1:29:39

in and one of

1:29:41

them was a massive mobile

1:29:43

gym. And I am like, whose fucking gym is this? Like

1:29:46

Tim McGraw. Oh yeah, he shredded. And then they go, then one

1:29:48

of his guys is like, you want to check it

1:29:50

out? And I go, fuck yeah. So

1:29:53

he takes me on a tour inside of this thing and it

1:29:55

is like, you know, it is like a really nice

1:29:58

gym you would find at like... like let's

1:30:00

say upscale hotel, like has

1:30:03

all the compartments, sauna, cold,

1:30:06

like, you know, cable stuff,

1:30:08

dumbbells, bench rack, you

1:30:10

know, everything. And I'm talking to

1:30:12

this guy, I'm like, so what, how, like,

1:30:15

how much does he use this? And they're like, how much does he

1:30:17

use this? They're like, he's in here

1:30:19

probably like three, four hours a day. And

1:30:21

then I'm like, what? And they go, yeah, and he

1:30:23

makes like crew

1:30:26

members and band members. Train.

1:30:28

Train too. So a lot of times he'll do

1:30:30

his thing with

1:30:32

them from this to this time, people

1:30:35

break, and then he comes back and

1:30:38

does. It's like, couple more hours. It's like being,

1:30:40

getting fresh fighters in every round. Yeah. God. And

1:30:42

he looks amazing. He does. He

1:30:44

loves wearing those tank tops with the sleeveless

1:30:46

shirts and his arms are fricking shitted. He's

1:30:48

jacked, dude. He looks great. Yeah. Yeah. But

1:30:50

he's like hardcore with it. Yeah. It's awesome.

1:30:52

I can tell. Yeah, that's

1:30:55

cool. Cam. Thank

1:30:57

you, man. Thank you. Just thank

1:31:00

you. Thanks for coming to the 5K. It

1:31:02

was awesome. You know, hopefully we

1:31:04

get you to the next one we do. Oh yeah.

1:31:06

And let's kill a bear. It's Carol bear. And I'd

1:31:08

like to carry a rock maybe up a hill or

1:31:10

something one day with you. I'll just

1:31:13

say it was an honor to be involved

1:31:15

in the event because I saw it was

1:31:17

so much positive energy, life-changing energy. It was

1:31:19

incredible to see what you guys kind of

1:31:21

just talking BSing came

1:31:24

up with this idea and to see what it

1:31:26

turned into unreal. And

1:31:28

then just being all, you guys welcome me and

1:31:30

have me on the podcast. And I'm so thankful

1:31:32

for you guys. You're an

1:31:34

inspiration, Cam. And being your friend is,

1:31:37

you know, I probably overshared

1:31:39

because I was drunk, but you're an

1:31:42

inspiration and I love your videos. You're the

1:31:44

reason we know who's gonna carry the

1:31:46

boats. If you hadn't worked him out

1:31:48

that fucking hard, he never would have yelled that

1:31:50

wild shit and that's all anyone fucking yells now.

1:31:53

It is. So that was such a

1:31:55

great day. But yesterday kind of

1:31:58

rivals it. Yesterday. It was just as powerful

1:32:00

to me. It was so

1:32:02

cool to see and so thank you. You made me want to

1:32:04

go out for a run now. Yeah,

1:32:07

let's link up again soon, man.

1:32:09

All right. It'll be fun.

1:32:11

Sounds good. Thanks, Cam. Awesome, thank

1:32:13

you, brother. Appreciate it. That's Tom.

1:32:15

Tom, it's Tom. Tom, it's Tom. Tom, the other

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weirds are sure to put some tell stories and

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learn some machines. Tom, there's a chance to tell

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the tale to the queen. Here's

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Tom, it's all. Tom, there's

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him, babe. Tom,

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there's him, babe.