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The. Two

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and a Half Admins Episode One Nine, Five. I.

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Am Jog. I'm. Jim and I'm Alan.

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And he were again. Has. Windows

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Eleven Really last market share to Windows

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Ten? Probably? Well, this is based on

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the register. And they talk

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about some stats they've got from

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Statcounter, which I'm always a little

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bit dubious about to be honest,

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but I wouldn't be that surprised.

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If. Windows Ten was slightly going vs

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Windows Eleven. I would be surprised either.

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There's an awful lot of people that

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are buying refurbished Pcs and they get

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whatever operating system comes on it. They're

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absolutely are people who are nuking their

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Windows Eleven off of newly bought pcs

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and going back to Windows Ten. And.

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I think a lot of the reason

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for that. You know, everybody points at

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the honor his hardware requirements one is

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eleven, but I don't think that's a

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reason for the market. Sure, that actually

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declined from where it was originally. However,

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you look at things like you know,

0:56

the ads inject into the start menu

0:58

and just a noxious annoyances like copy

1:00

and paste disappearing off the context menu

1:02

unless you click a more to see

1:04

him. There's a lot of paper cuts

1:06

there that genuinely piss people off, and

1:08

I don't find it difficult to imagine

1:10

that people are actively. Avoiding it. Even.

1:13

To the level of actually wiping out eleven

1:15

England accent in some cases. I. Think

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it's more likely to be. Static.

1:20

Then really changing massive A because

1:22

anyone who's gonna go to Windows

1:24

Eleven. Has. Gone to another live

1:27

and surely if you've got brand new hardware

1:29

that needs it Obviously you could run linux

1:31

or whatever but if you're in the Windows

1:33

world then if it's to modern then your

1:35

only option is eleven. And if

1:37

you got relatively modern hardware then if you

1:39

gonna upgrade you would have done it by

1:41

now. So. It's people who either

1:44

just don't want to or can't officially

1:46

because they've got to get our fifth,

1:48

sixth generation, I five, or whatever. Well,

1:50

I think there are some scenarios that

1:52

you're not considering it is. It's really

1:54

weird from Windows Eleven to have had

1:57

to the dominant market share and then

1:59

to D. increase relative to 10. And

2:02

the most plausible way that I see that happening

2:04

again is really refurbished PC sales, which are

2:07

everywhere right now. Oh yeah.

2:10

I mean, you can imagine, for example, and this

2:12

is all, we're talking straight out of our butts

2:14

here, but for example,

2:16

imagine somebody who goes to Walmart

2:18

and buys the cheapest possible Windows

2:20

11 computer, absolutely freaking hates it,

2:23

gets rid of it, and then buys a

2:25

refurbished Windows 10 PC for the same amount

2:27

of money or less off of Amazon. Well,

2:30

you just went down one Windows 11 and up

2:32

one Windows 10. Even though

2:34

you didn't actually change the OS installed

2:36

on the actual hardware, nobody

2:38

was using that Windows 11 machine that you bought

2:40

from Walmart until you bought it. And then you

2:43

bought it and stopped using it and now nobody's

2:45

using it. Nobody was using that refurbished Windows 10

2:47

PC since it had gone in

2:49

for refurbishment until you bought it. And now

2:51

you bought it and you're using it. So

2:54

you add that to the people who have gone

2:56

and wiped out Windows 11 and reinstalled Windows 10

2:59

on their own hardware, new or old, when they decide

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they don't like it badly enough to be willing to

3:03

get rid of it. And again, I

3:06

don't have a whole lot of trouble seeing this

3:08

one. Now I doubt the market share has changed

3:11

massively, but any

3:13

amount down on a

3:15

deprecated operating system, well, that's

3:17

pretty big news. Yeah. And

3:20

I think there are some other explanations here

3:22

as well. The fact that this

3:24

is the percentage of traffic they saw and

3:26

not raw numbers might mean that actually

3:29

the number of computers they saw running Windows 10 and

3:31

Windows 11 both went up just

3:33

by different amounts. Depending how

3:35

they capture this, it might be that people that

3:37

were using Windows 11 were using

3:39

two browsers and went to using one browser and don't

3:41

get counted as two people anymore. Like

3:44

how much did the Microsoft changing

3:46

around Windows Edge browser or whatever

3:48

mean that, especially when they kept

3:51

making, if you try to open

3:53

something for Microsoft Teams, it opens in Edge

3:55

no matter what browser is actually your

3:57

default browser in your operating system. then

4:00

you're now two separate computers. And

4:03

maybe some of that accounted for a

4:05

bunch of corporate Windows 10 machines getting counted as

4:07

two machines because people use Firefox or Chrome, but

4:10

every time they click on a link in stupid

4:12

teams, it opens in a stupid edge browser and

4:14

things like that. Maybe. But also

4:16

looking over the same time period, maybe

4:18

the bigger story is that the Windows

4:20

7 percentage has dropped like a

4:22

full percent over that same time span. And

4:24

that's like a third of the difference between

4:26

the Windows 10 and Windows 11 is it

4:28

is. How many people are still using

4:30

Windows 7? And the fact

4:33

that that's actually trailing off at a

4:35

whole percent over the one year time span

4:37

of the graph. That's a good

4:39

point. We could also be seeing Windows 7 users who

4:41

are giving up and getting new computers, getting

4:44

computers in Windows 10 instead of Windows 11. Yeah.

4:47

Yeah, because computers are much better than they

4:49

used to be. Alan, your laptop

4:51

is an X270, right? Yeah,

4:53

X270. Which is not capable technically

4:55

of running Windows 11, but it is still a

4:58

very capable machine. Yeah, I just wish I had

5:00

a little bit more RAM. Yeah.

5:03

But that is a perfectly capable

5:05

machine for the vast majority of computer users,

5:08

but it can only officially run Windows 10. And

5:11

so you've got all of these old

5:13

machines knocking around that are now relatively

5:15

cheap. I mean, you can pick up an X270 for

5:18

less than a hundred pounds in the UK, but

5:21

it's only ever gonna run Windows 10 unless you start

5:23

hacking it, which we've talked about before, which normal people

5:25

don't do. Or you know, you bite your bun to

5:27

on it or something. Yeah, well exactly, which is of

5:29

course what I would do, but normal

5:31

people don't, they stick with Windows. And

5:34

could it be that you've got all these

5:36

capable machines which are now relatively cheap because

5:39

they can't run Windows 11, and

5:41

people are picking them up and using them with Windows

5:43

10, which is still supported technically. Well, I mean, it's

5:45

the same thing I already said, which is, you know,

5:48

I personally think a lot of this is gonna have

5:50

to do with refurbished PC purchases. And essentially, you just

5:52

said the same thing. Yeah, I

5:54

guess so. Yeah, the other thing is also

5:56

definitely consider the source, stackcounter.com.

5:59

It's like how many... people are using Stack Counter

6:01

on their website anymore. Quite

6:03

a few, to be fair. It is a

6:05

lot of websites have got this code tracking

6:07

people, but like I said,

6:10

I'm always a bit dubious of anything

6:12

that is web-based because you

6:14

get into like huge networks behind that and

6:16

stuff, how many, you know, hundreds of machines

6:18

are actually being counted as one and stuff.

6:21

Right, or the fact that my TV computer

6:23

pretends to be a Samsung Smart TV so

6:25

that it'll get the TV version of YouTube

6:27

instead of the desktop version of YouTube. I

6:30

think that is an anomaly though. I don't think normal people

6:32

do that, Alan. Also the stackcounter.com

6:34

stuff, I'm not sure I believe how

6:36

low the percentage of Firefox they claim

6:39

is and that Opera is as popular

6:41

as Firefox. I believe that. Firefox has

6:43

definitely been trending down, but I don't

6:46

think Firefox only accounts for 3%

6:48

of internet traffic now. I think that's probably

6:50

accurate actually. Why is everybody giving up on

6:53

Firefox so much? That

6:55

is about three shows worth of

6:57

conversation and not for today. The

7:00

short version, Edge is Chromium based

7:02

now. Yeah, but even Edge is only accounting

7:04

for 5% on this stackcounter.com

7:07

stats. I think if you look at

7:09

stats from a different website, you will see different

7:11

numbers. But the bottom line is that these

7:14

are just sort of educated guesswork, let's

7:16

just say, but Microsoft actually has the

7:18

proper stats because you know that Windows

7:20

is phoning home and telling them. So

7:23

they must be worried about this, surely.

7:26

What are they going to do about it? I think they're

7:28

just going to say where Microsoft and the world will have

7:30

to adjust sooner or later. They

7:33

can wait it out. What are you going to

7:35

do? Stop using Windows? It's talking to you slash

7:37

Linux, yeah. Yeah, stopping using Windows is not necessarily

7:39

that bad. But you know, if you're talking in

7:41

a business especially, well, you know, you're not just

7:43

stopping using Windows, you're stopping using Windows. You're

7:46

stopping using, you know, Autodesk products. You're

7:48

stopping using Matlab. You're

7:50

stopping using Adobe products.

7:53

Basically, you just locked yourself out of

7:56

the entire software ecosystem that

7:58

you need to communicate with. you know, peers,

8:01

customers, upstream alike. So Microsoft

8:03

is just banking on people

8:06

having to buy new machines, all

8:09

around Windows 10 unsupported then. You

8:11

may have noticed this is not

8:13

Microsoft's first near universally hated version

8:15

of Windows. And it doesn't

8:17

seem to slow them down a whole lot. But

8:19

I don't even think that Windows 11 is particularly

8:21

hated. Like, yeah, okay, the ads and stuff

8:23

piss people off, but I think it's

8:26

much more about the hardware requirements, which you want

8:28

to play down, Jim. I do want to

8:30

play it down because it really doesn't

8:32

matter except for at the

8:34

very bottom end of the spectrum. If you're buying

8:36

a new machine, it's going to be Windows 11

8:38

capable. Yeah. It's when you're like looking at old

8:40

stuff and buying old stuff. And I don't mean

8:42

from last year, I don't mean from two years

8:44

ago, I don't mean from three years ago. When

8:47

you're buying stuff that is well past

8:49

the normal business life

8:51

cycle for computers, let alone like enterprise

8:54

life cycle. That's the

8:56

only way that those hardware requirements are really going to

8:58

cause you a problem. If

9:00

you're Microsoft, you don't care about that.

9:02

Those people weren't making you any damn

9:05

money on Windows sales anyway because

9:07

they're just another person getting the same

9:09

use out of the same license fee

9:11

that was paid like a decade ago

9:13

by somebody different. Yeah,

9:16

and I think the way we're likely to

9:18

see this go is Microsoft changing to more

9:20

and more of a subscription model where you're

9:22

just going to get the operating system

9:24

changed out from under you. Like

9:26

probably aren't going to be releases of

9:29

Windows anymore so much as just every

9:32

half a year, there's a new update

9:34

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9:36

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five, eight. Novel

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attack against virtually all VPN

10:40

apps mutors their entire purpose.

10:43

I kind of have to push back a little on the

10:45

headline thing. This is a novel attack. Like, maybe

10:48

people are just kind of thinking of it

10:50

now, but it's not even really like hacking.

10:52

It's just using one of the built-in options

10:54

to the DHCP protocol. When you

10:56

have a laptop or another machine that gets

10:59

an IP address automatically from the network, that

11:01

protocol is DHCP, the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol.

11:04

And there's a seldom used option that's

11:06

been in there, I mean, from day

11:08

one. It's option 121, and option 121

11:10

will basically allow the

11:14

DHCP operator to configure static routes on any

11:17

machines that are grabbing DHCP from it. So

11:19

by doing that, you can put an attacker in the

11:21

middle of any stream of traffic to any machine that's

11:24

getting an IP address automatically from you. Now,

11:26

that's not going to affect anybody who's

11:28

configured their IP address statically. So

11:30

one thing that you could do, if you're feeling really

11:32

paranoid about this, you're on a network where you don't

11:35

trust the DHCP server, you can

11:37

grab the DHCP, the IP

11:39

address from DHCP, you can see

11:41

what that IP configuration information is, then you

11:43

can go back and turn your interface back

11:45

to static, not dynamic, and put in the

11:48

same information the DHCP server just gave you.

11:50

Now, that's not necessarily gonna work forever, because

11:52

the DHCP server is gonna try to hand

11:54

that IP address out again, whenever It least

11:56

expires, might be an hour, might be a day, might be

11:59

a week. But. That will be

12:01

good enough for right now to say hey

12:03

our be able to get on this network

12:05

and do something right now and not have

12:07

for about option one. Twenty one screwed me

12:10

over there. The other thing obviously the chicken

12:12

do as you can just look at your

12:14

own route tape on seekers. Anything goofy in

12:16

there on most people's machines? there should not

12:18

be that many different route showing up the

12:21

route table. You have one route for the

12:23

fall gateway. If you've got a Vpn up,

12:25

you've got another route that goes through the

12:27

Vpn gateway out it's interface and that's usually

12:29

just about. It If you see other things

12:32

popping up that take priority over your Vpn

12:34

route than you know. Okay, I should be

12:36

concerned about this and I should be looking

12:38

at ways to changes of routing. Table back

12:40

the what it should be. There.

12:42

So looking in this more I see. How.

12:46

Is. It because you have my thought at

12:48

first and like will have the time for

12:50

them to control the deeds of the server

12:52

inside my Vpn. but it's actually not that

12:54

it's just taking troll for example, reduce speed

12:56

server or a D C V server on

12:59

the public. Why fi that you're on when

13:01

you get an Ip address from the public

13:03

Why fight It also says oh and to

13:05

get to tend to attend Attended Zero Five

13:07

Twenty Four also wrote it via. The.

13:09

Attackers machine on the public why Fi

13:11

and then when you start to the

13:14

Vpn that one address is now still

13:16

routed not over the Vpn but has

13:18

a more specific grub to say over

13:20

the public life. I and for you

13:22

could do this to purposely mates or

13:25

any traffic the target user is trying

13:27

to go over the weekend to. Their.

13:29

Bank or something is going to that.

13:31

One bite of I peace will be

13:33

routed to the attacker over the regular

13:36

local. That worth it. To be clear

13:38

the Dtp server were talking about very

13:40

specifically the deeds he be server. For

13:42

the real network that you're connected to

13:44

with your Vpn virtual interface has dig

13:46

route it's traffic out over. If

13:49

that the Atp server is is pushing malicious

13:51

routes to the option one Twenty One one.

13:53

That's what you have to worry about and

13:55

there's not many ways to deal with this

13:58

right now because again, this is. It

14:00

actually a hack. It's not an attack,

14:02

it's just using. Option is actually supposed

14:04

to be there that people mostly just

14:07

kind of her about. So on. Android

14:09

the my knowledge is the only operating

14:11

system right now that actually can be

14:14

entirely immune to this, even Linux and

14:16

free Bst. If you use option One

14:18

Twenty one, they'll take it and they'll

14:20

also the route table so I don't

14:23

know of a more reliable mitigation and

14:25

literally disconnecting and turning off. or d

14:27

be quiet and just putting the information.

14:30

And statically, that's the only way I know

14:32

of right now. You can be absolutely certain

14:34

that optional and forty one isn't the screw

14:36

your out they will in previous d in

14:38

the Dcp client computers and you can set

14:40

options to ignore seated say if you see

14:42

a notion went forty one from anybody just.

14:45

Don't follow it as a Clara Extended

14:47

do Computers and to be able to

14:49

do that from Awful interfaces. Really?

14:51

Customer who needed to interfaces to both B D

14:53

C P but to ignore the default wrote that

14:56

came from one of them so that only one

14:58

of a must for the internet but the other

15:00

one with so we get it's address or with

15:02

that said it is a rid of money to

15:04

the. And then from the other

15:06

side of that many switches have options

15:08

to try to isolate rogue Dcp service

15:10

where they will be like okay only

15:13

this part is allowed to have answers

15:15

to the D C P requests and

15:17

stop what happens that many offices somebody

15:19

accidently pugs in a machine that had

15:22

when does his old like internet connection

15:24

sharing or something configured and the and

15:26

of with a D C V server

15:28

that's not the right Dcp server giving

15:31

out random Ip addresses on your network

15:33

and then people. When they're

15:35

computer gets an address on that one

15:37

because it's one millisecond closer on the

15:39

network than the internet southworth him. As

15:42

you get rid on the switch, this is not usually

15:44

something that you're going to be worried about in that

15:46

particular environment. Delivered me something you're worried about. For.

15:48

Example: If your Starbucks it doesn't matter what

15:51

grade switch the Starbucks has in the back

15:53

office for you can't see it because you're

15:55

real concerns me somebody with a life I

15:57

pineapple the his just made a copycat as

15:59

as. D And there is no

16:01

mitigation there if your system sees

16:03

the access point that's actually the

16:06

wife I pineapple in the bad

16:08

guys backpacks saying Starbucks and chooses

16:10

to join that one rather the

16:12

actual Starbucks A P Which also

16:14

says aside, the Starbucks well it

16:16

as it. He. Joined around one

16:18

and. Your man, the Middle

16:20

Eastern. You have to be the wrong one,

16:23

right? They could pay to connect to the

16:25

real Starbucks. Why fire and front a D

16:27

C server to fit answers faster than the

16:29

Starbucks T V server than that the address

16:31

your vicinity. Well. Yes, except that

16:34

in that case, not. And I'm

16:36

not trying to claim that Starbucks

16:38

actually has like advanced mitigation measures,

16:40

but at least in theory, like

16:42

if you're just wearing a road

16:44

D C P on the actual

16:46

Why Fi network. Well, the actual

16:48

Why Fi network itself can block

16:50

that and may very well be

16:52

configured to block that. But if

16:54

you're just spinning up a copycat

16:57

as society with the Why Five

16:59

Pineapple or just a random consumer

17:01

router or whatever, than. The others. There's

17:03

no mitigation. They're. The. Only thing you

17:05

can hope at that point like if you're

17:07

the admin of the Starbucks or the wherever

17:09

maybe you've got to that automatically detect rogue

17:11

access points popping up within range of your

17:13

access points and you can say oh we

17:16

as the a rogue a p that broadcasting

17:18

mon a society it's time to find that

17:20

person the on the hell out of my

17:22

store. But as a customer or user now

17:24

you're you're not gonna know, you're not really

17:26

gonna have the way. I can't

17:28

be the only person who feels like

17:30

option one Twenty one is something that

17:32

poverty would activate. It. Does sound an

17:34

awful lot like order sixty six thousand had.

17:38

This. Is some feedback? San Sebastian

17:40

Rise! Please. Consider saying renting

17:42

as says boy and when talking

17:45

about domains. I'm also shots

17:47

change my own dialogue about it because renting

17:49

is a more correct description. Absolutely.

17:51

Fair point. John thought about it by Fight for

17:53

such as sincere to pay for it yet every

17:55

year in the proceeds going up. Yeah, I don't

17:57

want to call it buying and up renting really.

17:59

The. the renting doesn't sound very

18:01

tony and when domains first became

18:04

a thing and. People. First, wanted

18:06

to charge money for it all. They wanted it

18:08

to sound classy. didn't make. Him. A

18:11

don't think it's kind of. Cats are not going to

18:13

have a bit late, but. It's. True enough

18:15

that it's worth trying to make an

18:17

effort. I think you could maybe make

18:19

leasing stick. Yeah, like he could. Maybe

18:21

convince the corporate types to say lease,

18:24

but they're never gonna say rent mister.

18:26

Was. Bus in also asks which landlord,

18:28

slush, steward of any tailed aid you

18:30

think would deserve your money. Background.

18:33

On one side, you don't wanna get blocked

18:35

all over the internet like when talked about.e

18:37

K. But. You also don't want to pay

18:40

too much for domain, especially since it's only a

18:42

rental. And of course you want to vote

18:44

with your wallet for the money should only go

18:46

to the organizations who deserve it. I. Don't

18:48

actually know of any organizations that

18:50

I specifically feel like the deserve

18:53

my money that own T oldies

18:55

idea, Google own tons of I'm

18:57

and I absolutely don't see deserve

18:59

my money. In. More practical

19:01

terms, he has by far the most

19:04

common Tld that I use. as.net.com is

19:06

the the premium choice and when I

19:08

can I'll usually go for.com if it's

19:11

available. The problem is that very frequently

19:13

there is not a.com available for what

19:15

you want. Not necessarily because there's a

19:18

valid property on the web that using

19:20

it, but just because some Them Speculator

19:22

absolutely already got the dot com. If

19:25

you don't feel that the speculator deserves

19:27

vastly more of your money than registrar

19:29

would charge then, well, That's.

19:31

A no go there. A don't

19:33

really like any of the is

19:36

the new can of off brand

19:38

for lack of better words the

19:40

Oldies because while the mostly work

19:42

everywhere these days you just you

19:44

never know when you're going to

19:46

encounter some weird legacy system that

19:48

doesn't think any Tld exists of

19:50

and.com.net or dot Org knows that

19:52

of agonizing Dell problem is that

19:54

underlying all of them is I

19:56

can and they're not great. So.

19:59

Like you'd have years. It like registrars the

20:01

registers only time is money off the

20:03

stupendous amount you pay for domains most

20:05

i ghost item and the registrars don't

20:07

as the own. the Tld must the

20:09

time and then yeah all the new

20:12

lenses i'd somebody paid i can act

20:14

hundred thousand dollars to to own it.

20:17

But. It doesn't as a memories for giving them

20:19

money either. Yeah. It's not

20:21

great and like the.see a like they

20:23

country code deal these sometimes those are

20:25

fun reasonably well but. If the

20:27

run mother used to not run for

20:30

profit and so it's It's not about

20:32

making money for them, it's about still

20:34

waiting. The concept of.cia or Die Detail

20:36

for Denmark and a couple other ones

20:38

that are recently well run. Public.

20:40

Services run not for profit.

20:43

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20:45

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I can't recommend detailed these. That.

20:51

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20:55

they might have I'm announced the whole thing

20:58

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21:00

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21:07

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22:55

I recently enabled I busy six

22:57

on my router. I've noticed

22:59

that some sites and are riddled with ads.

23:01

Where. They used to have just a few price

23:03

me enabling I busy six. Or. So

23:06

I'm not worried that web sites will

23:08

have a blast tracking me by my

23:10

Ip the six address instead of relying

23:12

on brother fingerprinting which I can take

23:14

measures to prevent. A. Set Network

23:16

Manager to use the highest privacy settings

23:18

on my desktop summer Ip. The six

23:20

address will vary. But. The families

23:23

mobile phones in the house don't have this

23:25

luxury. Hello. I'm fully aware that

23:27

Not is not security and that my

23:29

roots had does stifle packet inspection to

23:31

prevent requests from the Internet from reaching

23:33

my systems behind. I. Feel more

23:35

exposed with i've he's he six then when

23:37

i'm behind the usual i busy format. Or.

23:40

Even the ice peace hideous Cj Net.

23:43

Should. I just disable Ip V Six or

23:45

my router and go back to an Ip

23:47

before on two thousand and ten home behind

23:49

C D. that. Should. I implement as

23:51

a Lancer things that separate from the

23:53

Zealand's the phones and the violence of

23:55

computers and prevent things from even reaching

23:57

the internet. More. Is the best approach to

23:59

protect. My home from prying eyes of the

24:01

Ip V Six Internet. So. City

24:04

not makes this slightly more complicated possibly

24:06

pilates if you comparing having one I

24:08

Tv for address for every computer in

24:10

your house. Prices: Go see Nance Vs

24:12

I T V Six for you have

24:14

a sub net and need computers got

24:16

it's own address. There's not really any

24:18

more tracking going on other the baby

24:20

they know was computer was in your

24:23

place but like to set of using

24:25

their Ip visit privacy settings where they're

24:27

using different addresses to connect out so

24:29

that it you know you know I

24:31

use the same Ip address, the connective

24:33

same. Sites that can mitigate some once

24:35

by. I don't think it's fundamentally

24:37

changing your privacy level one way

24:39

or the other. For the thing

24:41

about ads, I wonder if. Did.

24:44

You have him an ad blocker and just

24:46

when you had V sixty ads team a

24:48

very six in and maybe weren't block despite

24:51

say I'm not really heard of web sites

24:53

having. Different. Add profiles for

24:55

V sixers is not, although. With.

24:58

For ice? Maybe they just happened to ramp up

25:00

the amount ads around the time. Humid sweats, Although

25:02

Pablo didn't have as much tales about how

25:05

he's blocking ads, I suspect there's probably a

25:07

pie hole like approach in. There may be

25:09

more than one set of filters and some

25:11

of that may literally be black hauling. I

25:13

Pv for sub nets and a would not

25:15

surprise me at all. They have been a

25:18

much more evolved. Maps.

25:20

Of Ip V for space like what belongs

25:22

to people who should not be allowed on

25:24

your network. Then we we've gotten year with

25:26

Ip be six because well, not that many

25:28

people are using Ip. Be sick, So it's

25:31

it's. a Wild West. I feel

25:33

like Pablo would probably be the most comfortable

25:35

from what I'm hearing is he were actually

25:37

set up I Pv six routing with Nat.

25:39

Add that is a thing you can absolutely

25:41

do you. You can set up an Ip

25:44

V Six router and you can use a

25:46

private Ip V six sub nets and you

25:48

nat across it to a single I Pv

25:50

six to goes out of the internet. It

25:52

makes a little easier for you to be

25:54

certain that any central firewall rules that he

25:57

said on that router are actually getting applied

25:59

to all the vice because you know for

26:01

a fact they can't get to the internet

26:03

without going through you. I. Don't

26:05

think that would six, you know the ad

26:07

problem. I think that's just something that you're

26:09

gonna have. Basically. Have to play

26:11

with see if may be a different ad

26:14

blocking technique works better for you. Maybe try

26:16

to get Firefox with you block origin on

26:18

your family's phone so that you can have

26:21

proper ad blocking even on mobile. I find

26:23

that the whole pie hole and central ad

26:25

blocking approach I don't think it's a great

26:27

I think you block origin is frankly the

26:30

best option out there. and now that I

26:32

can get that in a plugin on a

26:34

first class browser Firefox on my Android phones,

26:36

I'm happy with that. Like after I'm done

26:39

with eating thing central or. Granddad isn't

26:41

a browser for things. No, is a browser

26:43

for anything on a farm? These apps don't.

26:45

They. Will. You know if you're using

26:47

apps on the phone when you could be using a

26:49

browser? Just

26:51

stuck with what you've got a me number one.

26:53

The odds are fairly good that you're not somebody

26:56

who's obsessing over as because ads ruining experience because

26:58

if you're doing all that you're not like front

27:00

of do your own thing. You know your fish

27:02

swim in downstream in the water. it's is part

27:05

of a thing sound like the ads but there's

27:07

ads and I worked around the As and that's

27:09

what I do versus you know folks like like

27:11

us and you're like most of our listeners who

27:13

were talking to about this who have a different

27:16

sponsor like they're as and I don't like it

27:18

how I make it so I like it again.

27:20

But these. Are very different classes of human

27:22

response. You know how many of the times

27:24

as the app not just the website and

27:27

it like the app is just a browser

27:29

going to the website it says oh it's

27:31

him out and buy it For least of

27:33

I'm using Firefox I have some control of

27:35

the browser the of I phone and I

27:37

find that he just completely screwed because. It's

27:40

not real Firefox. There's no you block

27:42

origin available. Well. Much like using absence

27:44

does he have gone to the side in

27:46

the browser. You just made the wrong decisions

27:49

for your stated goals when you bought that

27:51

I phone. I'm sorry but I'd know how

27:53

much of our audience is to for our

27:55

our our right now and my Css. Yeah

27:57

I love y'all I'm not saying you're bad

27:59

folks but. If this was year deal than

28:01

yeah you made the wrong decision. You went

28:03

to the Super Lot mail platform and the

28:05

into the that lock it down as they

28:07

may do a lot of things that you

28:09

do like but they also do a lot

28:12

of things that you don't and you'll have

28:14

a choice about it. Does your on the

28:16

Super Lockdown walled garden. About twenty percent of

28:18

our audience is tearing right now and about

28:20

a set it on her eyes and of

28:22

those two senses but there's definitely a percent

28:24

of of a just. I'd like to think

28:26

another twenty percent or so own I phones

28:28

and it just kind of shrugging and center.

28:30

it's a fair cop fear from other. Surveys

28:33

or have you done this like are use of my

28:35

T V Six A Home. I. Have some

28:37

I've used to home not as much as I

28:40

probably could. I. Didn't help that my

28:42

new cable provider doesn't offer it. During.

28:45

The net there can be helpful especially if

28:47

you want to mix to profit from of

28:49

I to machines together. Nicely.

28:51

Took us a different approach. My one main

28:53

P C goes out by an eye on

28:55

a different address than every other machine in

28:58

the house and is when I use my

29:00

other recede. I notice I did a lot

29:02

different. Adsense is based on the fact that

29:04

the other half of the inner to draft

29:07

a mouse is is for lady things and

29:09

I don't get any of those on my

29:11

machine that doesn't use the same Ip address

29:13

but I do get them on the machine

29:16

that has all the other traffic. I.

29:18

Do think public correct that when

29:20

to advertising into these can tell

29:23

which machine is which. They will

29:25

absolutely target the adds more closely

29:27

and they will build more detailed

29:29

profiles. Whether. That has a

29:31

direct immediate masses. Negative impacts are

29:33

not yet. probably not, but. It's.

29:36

One not tighter on the worm gears

29:38

they turned device. Is further and

29:40

further and learning more and more and getting

29:42

more and more detail on. At some point

29:45

you can have to be like looked dead.

29:47

This is my house and I get the

29:49

close the door and you can't just like

29:51

pressure nose up against the window and stare

29:54

at me all night while I sleep. Smart

29:56

Okay. To. Build on what similar

29:58

saying and answer the rest of public questions

30:00

about the lands. If you make a couple

30:02

of he lands least I can make a

30:05

big difference, but if you take gyms idea

30:07

where you're actually using Id be safe with

30:09

Nat. Except don't use

30:11

one external Ip address. Because.

30:13

He six you usually have usually at

30:16

least a reason decisiveness you can have

30:18

not configured to display the about connections,

30:20

the cost of a block of Ip

30:22

addresses him with before and this way

30:24

what you'd do is basically affected the

30:26

get by to the any from network

30:28

manager with Id to sick privacy but

30:30

for the phones and other devices they

30:32

don't support it natively so as he

30:34

goes to the nat the rotor is

30:36

going to to be like oh for

30:38

facebook Reagan attack from this I P

30:40

n for you to begin attacks and

30:42

this I peace. And will come back

30:44

tomorrow. We'll use different eyepiece and that can

30:47

help disrupt some of the tracking that

30:49

they're doing and just make it much

30:51

harder to how was devices which does you're

30:53

mixing all the traffic together and then

30:55

spreading it all out across the range of

30:57

addresses so that. His heart is how

30:59

which ones which. Are you to see the

31:01

Vpn service and in a make in all bars out

31:03

of the internet somewhere completely different? Changer.

31:06

In point: every now and then he really mess with them as much

31:08

as he can. right? Where

31:10

we better get out of a then remember so at

31:12

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31:14

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31:16

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31:18

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31:21

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