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As a Secretary of Commerce, do.

5:19

Until. Now mainly promote

5:21

Us businesses abroad. It

5:24

had not been a high

5:26

profile job to Gina Raimondo

5:28

turn the second tier agency

5:30

and it was center of

5:32

job creation, manufacturing and national

5:34

security. Once. The

5:36

Governor of Rhode Island. Rimando.

5:38

At Sixty two seems to have come

5:40

out of nowhere. To. Become a

5:43

rising star of the Democratic Party.

5:45

And. Of the Biden Administration. As

5:49

Commerce Secretary, she's running new

5:51

projects that could touch the

5:53

lives of every American. And.

5:55

she's helping lead the expanding cold

5:58

war with china and

6:00

confront Russia's aggression in Ukraine.

6:03

The battlefield for both those

6:05

conflicts is technology. If

6:09

you think about national

6:11

security today in 2024, it's

6:14

not just tanks and missiles, it's technology.

6:17

It's semiconductors, it's AI, it's drones.

6:20

And the Commerce Department is at

6:22

the Red Hot Center of technology.

6:26

And at the Red Hot Center,

6:28

a global chip war that ramped

6:31

up, says Gina Raimondo, when

6:33

Russia invaded Ukraine. The

6:36

Commerce Department stopped all

6:38

semiconductor chips from being

6:40

sold to Russia. Every drone,

6:42

every missile, every tank has semiconductors in

6:45

them. And you know, Leslie, you know

6:47

we're being effective because shortly

6:49

after we started that work,

6:52

we heard stories of

6:54

the Russians taking semiconductors

6:57

out of refrigerators, out of

7:00

dishwashers, out of

7:02

breast pumps, getting the chips to

7:05

put them into their military

7:07

equipment. However, the Russians are

7:10

now working their way around this.

7:12

They are successfully and they're doing

7:14

better in the war probably because

7:16

of this. You are right

7:18

in what you say. But she says. It's

7:21

absolutely the case that

7:23

our export controls have hurt their

7:26

ability to conduct the war, made

7:28

it harder, and we are enforcing

7:30

this every minute of every day,

7:32

doing everything we can. These

7:35

are some of the enforcers. We

7:37

should talk about our controls on Russia, let me. Raimondo's

7:39

team at Commerce that monitors and

7:41

polices the ban on any company

7:43

in the world, from selling

7:46

products with American chips in them to

7:48

Russia. But not just

7:50

Russia. I've made sure

7:52

that the most advanced American

7:54

technology can't be used in

7:56

China. The Chinese warn that

7:58

these exports... controls could trigger

8:01

an escalating trade war. Trade

8:03

with China accounts for 750,000 U.S. jobs. And

8:09

if trade ends, we lose our

8:11

jobs. We want to trade with

8:13

China on the vast

8:15

majority of goods and

8:17

services. But on

8:19

those technologies that affect our

8:21

national security, no. Those

8:26

advanced chips are in consumer goods.

8:29

Most of us use them. Hospitals,

8:32

this is going toward products that

8:34

are made for civilian use. Yeah,

8:36

well, they also go into nuclear

8:40

weapons, surveillance systems, and

8:43

we know they want these

8:45

chips and our sophisticated technology

8:48

to advance their military. Her

8:51

toughness has made her a

8:53

target in China, where fake

8:55

ads have her promoting the

8:57

new Chinese-made smartphone. Last

9:00

year, the government in Beijing hacked

9:02

her email. And when

9:04

she was in China on a

9:06

trip, ironically, to improve relations, the

9:09

tech company Huawei introduced that

9:12

new smartphone with an advanced

9:14

Chinese-made chip. It was

9:16

kind of in your face as

9:19

if to say, look at the chip that

9:21

we have. And it was a pretty good

9:23

high-level chip, right? I

9:25

have their attention, clearly. And

9:28

they've gotten yours. Well, what

9:30

it tells me is the export controls are

9:33

working, because that

9:35

chip is not

9:37

nearly as good. It's years behind

9:40

what we have in the United States.

9:43

We have the most

9:45

sophisticated semiconductors in the world. China

9:48

doesn't. We've out-innovated China. Well,

9:50

we, you mean Taiwan. Fair.

9:54

While American tech companies design

9:56

the world's most advanced chips,

9:59

none are made in the

10:01

U.S. Ninety percent of

10:03

them come from Taiwan, and they

10:06

are key to the future of

10:08

U.S. military weaponry. And

10:10

China, from time to time, threatens,

10:12

you know, the wolf to

10:15

invade Taiwan, and some people say the

10:17

whole reason is to get their hands

10:19

on those chips. That's a problem.

10:21

It's a risk. It makes us vulnerable. The

10:23

problem of our outsourcing production

10:25

goes way beyond high-tech, with

10:28

millions of American workers having

10:30

lost their jobs that went

10:32

overseas, something Raimondo

10:34

knows firsthand, growing up

10:37

as the youngest child in an

10:39

Italian-American family in Rhode Island. This

10:42

is the old Bulova watch factory where my

10:44

dad worked for almost 30 years. Her

10:46

dad lost his job when Bulova abandoned

10:48

the factory in 1983 and moved its

10:50

operations to China. It's

10:55

hard for you to imagine it now as you look

10:57

around here, but this is a, you

10:59

know, a bustling place. You know, they had a

11:01

thousand people working here, food trucks on

11:04

the sidewalk, an electroplaning shop there, a tool

11:06

and die shop there, and now this is

11:08

what you have. And how old were you?

11:10

I was in like sixth grade,

11:12

but I saw the toll it took

11:15

on my dad and my family. And

11:17

that influenced her career choices.

11:20

From when she studied economics and

11:22

played rugby at Harvard, to when

11:24

she left

11:27

a high-paying job as a venture

11:29

capitalist to run for public office

11:31

in Rhode Island. This was the

11:34

day that I was sworn in

11:36

as state treasurer and

11:38

those my parents. I was my dad.

11:40

That's your dad, super proud of me?

11:42

The man who worked at Bulova, the

11:45

man who taught me about

11:47

manufacturing, taught me that a

11:49

job is about your pride, ability

11:51

to take care of your family, not just a paycheck.

12:00

graduate, was elected the state's first

12:02

female governor in 2014 as a

12:04

moderate pro-business

12:07

Democrat. Liberals in your

12:09

party, this is a

12:11

quote, look upon you

12:13

as a sellout to big business. I

12:15

think that's ridiculous. I hold

12:18

businesses accountable as much as anyone. When

12:20

I tell them they can't sell their

12:22

semiconductors to China, they don't

12:24

love that, but I do that. In

12:26

late 2020, President-elect Joe

12:28

Biden called her about leading

12:31

the Commerce Department, which till

12:33

then managed without

12:35

much fanfare or headlines a

12:37

mishmash of agencies and assignments

12:39

ranging from monitoring the weather

12:42

to measuring the level of

12:45

contaminants in household dust. So

12:47

one day President-elect Biden calls

12:49

you and said, what

12:51

about being Commerce Secretary? And

12:54

you heard that and thought. Truthfully,

12:57

initially I thought, what does the

13:00

Commerce Secretary do? And then the

13:02

president-elect said to me, come,

13:04

I want you to work with me to

13:07

help rebuild American manufacturing. And I called my

13:09

brother, my big brother, and he said, Gina,

13:12

dad would be so proud. You got to do it.

13:14

You got to do it. And that was

13:16

it. Once at

13:18

Commerce, she began to lean on Congress to

13:20

fund her new programs with $100 billion, including

13:26

$50 billion for the

13:28

bipartisan CHIPS Act that she

13:31

is now dispensing to reduce

13:33

America's reliance on Taiwan. It's

13:35

a huge day for the

13:37

entire country. Last month in

13:39

Arizona, she announced her

13:41

first award for making leading edge

13:44

chips in the U.S. to intake.

13:46

We are announcing our intention

13:49

to invest $8.5 billion

13:52

in Intel, America's

13:54

champion semiconductor company. Intel

13:58

intends to construct and market. facilities

14:01

in Arizona, New Mexico,

14:03

Oregon, and Ohio. She's

14:06

made two other big awards, totaling $13

14:09

billion to Taiwan-based

14:11

TSMC and the South

14:13

Korean company Samsung, to

14:16

make the world's most advanced chips

14:18

in Arizona and Texas. Ramondo

14:21

is also spreading her largesse

14:23

elsewhere in the country with

14:25

another huge initiative, the Internet

14:28

for All program. We

14:31

went with her to a

14:33

corning factory in North Carolina,

14:35

the world's largest manufacturer of

14:37

fiber optic cable. You're

14:39

looking at fiber on these spools,

14:41

all different colors. What's inside of

14:43

there is actually one of the

14:46

most precise products ever manufactured by

14:48

man. Wendell Weeks, chairman

14:50

and CEO of Corning, is

14:52

expanding production to make some of

14:54

the 10 million miles of new

14:57

cable that's needed to connect

14:59

the 24 million Americans, living

15:02

mostly in rural America, who

15:04

don't have access to high-speed

15:06

Internet. And under prodding

15:08

by Ramondo, he's investing Corning's

15:10

own capital to do it.

15:13

We've invested another half billion

15:15

dollars and doubled our footprint

15:17

for the U.S. When

15:20

you're spending all this money

15:22

to connect small

15:24

numbers of people who live miles

15:26

away, the expense almost doesn't make

15:28

sense. It does make

15:30

sense. The Internet is no longer a luxury.

15:32

You need it to see the doctor to

15:35

go to school, to do your business, to

15:37

pay your bills, to sign up for social

15:40

security. Everyone has electricity

15:42

in this country. Everyone ought to have

15:44

the Internet. Together, she

15:46

says, the Internet for All and

15:48

the CHIPS Act initiatives will

15:51

create about a half million jobs by

15:53

2030. But

15:56

Wall Street is skeptical. Intel, for

15:58

example, just reported that. $7

16:01

billion in operating losses. When

16:04

you go to pick these different

16:06

companies to give the money to,

16:08

it's social industrial policy, something we

16:11

gave up because it was shown

16:13

that private industry does a better

16:15

job picking. You're smiling.

16:18

Well, do they?

16:21

Because in this case of semiconductors, the

16:23

market didn't get it right. How did

16:25

we lose this? We allowed

16:28

manufacturing in this country to wither

16:30

on the vine in

16:32

search of cheaper labor in

16:34

Asia, cheaper capital in Asia,

16:37

and here we are. We just

16:39

pursued profit over

16:42

national security. There

16:44

are strings attached to these grants.

16:47

They have to provide daycare. You

16:50

want them to have a diverse workforce.

16:53

Be union workers? It is

16:56

not social policy, Leslie. Sounds like it.

16:58

It's math. This is pure

17:00

math. You won't

17:02

have enough workers

17:04

to do the job unless

17:06

you figure out how to

17:09

get women working in the facilities.

17:11

But on that point, if

17:13

they need women and

17:16

women need daycare, that's a decision for

17:18

the company to make. Why mandate it

17:20

if it's what they need? It's

17:23

not mandated. To be clear,

17:25

these are not mandates. But it's written

17:27

in there. It is written, but you

17:29

know what's funny? I never hear

17:31

complaints about this from the companies. The

17:34

only complaints I have are from

17:37

politicians. In her

17:39

three years in Washington, Raimondo

17:41

has elevated the Commerce Department

17:44

and its secretary into a

17:46

high-profile player. China wakes

17:48

up every day figuring out how

17:51

to get around our regulations. We get

17:53

to wake up every day that much

17:55

more relentless and aggressive. So

17:58

I bring it every day. So

18:00

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18:02

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18:04

way. You are on

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a list of future presidential candidates. Does

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18:11

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Holly Williams on assignment for 60

19:43

minutes. The

19:45

names Alschwitz, Bergen-Belsen and Buchenwald

19:47

aren't infamous as a scene

19:49

of atrocities. Concentration

19:52

camps run by Adolf Hitler's notorious

19:54

SS. But what

19:56

you may be surprised to learn as we

19:58

were is that two... Nazi concentration

20:01

camps were established on

20:03

British soil in the

20:05

Channel Islands, around 80 miles from the

20:07

British mainland. The islands

20:09

lie just off the coast of France, became

20:12

possessions of the English Crown around a

20:14

thousand years ago, and were

20:16

occupied by Germany for nearly five years

20:18

during World War II. Even

20:21

in the United Kingdom, many people don't

20:23

know about the camps, and

20:26

as we discovered, exactly what happened

20:28

there is hotly disputed. It's

20:32

pretty well hidden, isn't it? Yeah, well,

20:34

if you didn't know how to

20:37

get here, you wouldn't easily stumble

20:39

across this, and this was the

20:41

sort of back entrance. There's

20:45

not much left of the Third

20:47

Reich's Lager-Silt concentration camps.

20:51

On the windswept island of Oldenie, about

20:53

three miles long and one and a

20:56

half wide, nature is

20:58

gradually swallowing up its crumbling

21:00

concrete walls. Are

21:03

these taking you straight into the

21:06

camp? Marcus

21:08

Roberts is an Oxford-educated

21:10

amateur historian who runs heritage

21:12

tours. He spent years

21:15

researching this forgotten chapter in

21:17

British history. So undoubtedly,

21:19

if you wanted to put a pin on

21:22

the map, you could say, this

21:24

is where the Holocaust happened

21:26

on British sovereign territory.

21:29

When Germany invaded France in 1940, the

21:33

British government calculated that the Channel

21:35

Islands had no strategic value and

21:37

gave them up without a fight.

21:41

Nearly all of the residents of Oldenie

21:43

decided to evacuate before the German troops

21:46

arrived. On the empty

21:48

island, the Germans set up two

21:50

concentration camps as well as labor

21:52

camps. They brought in

21:54

prisoners of war and forced laborers

21:56

to build giant fortifications that

21:58

still survive. today, part

22:01

of Hitler's Atlantic war to

22:04

protect against Allied attack. A

22:07

minority of them were Jewish. Others

22:09

were from Russia, Ukraine, Poland

22:11

and Spain. I understand

22:13

this was called the tunnel of death. Yes,

22:16

it was notorious in the memory

22:18

of prisoners. On two occasions they were

22:20

forced to cram in here in

22:23

an apparent rehearsal for their own death.

22:27

After the war, in

22:29

1945, the British military investigated the

22:31

camps and put the death toll

22:33

on Oldenie in the low hundreds.

22:36

Some of those who lost their lives were

22:38

buried under this plot of land. But

22:41

Marcus Roberts and others argue that more than

22:43

10,000 must have died on

22:46

the island based on controversial

22:48

calculations about the size of

22:50

the labour force needed to

22:52

build the fortifications. Roberts

22:55

told us it's because he's Jewish

22:57

that he's determined to count all

22:59

of the dead. There's

23:01

the Jewish instincts

23:03

who leave no one

23:05

behind. You're trying to make sure

23:08

that all the Jewish dead are counted?

23:11

Remembered. If you don't remember a life, it's as

23:13

if they never lived at all. Most

23:17

academics dispute Roberts' estimate of the

23:19

death toll, but partly

23:21

as a result of those disagreements.

23:23

Last year the British government appointed

23:25

a team of researchers to

23:28

comb through archives across Europe

23:30

and more accurately count the

23:32

number of prisoners who died on Oldenie.

23:35

Dr. Julie Carr, an archaeologist

23:38

at Cambridge University, is coordinating

23:40

the review. Why

23:42

is this just a document search? Not

23:45

a deke. It is likely

23:47

that some of the people in mass

23:49

graves were Jewish and according to halakah

23:52

or Jewish law you cannot disturb the

23:54

dead. But the second

23:56

reason is that according

23:58

to prisoner statements Some

24:01

people were dumped at sea or thrown

24:03

off cliffs. What are we going to

24:05

do? Dig up the entire island? Well, we can't do that.

24:08

The researchers are drawing on rich

24:10

material. The Nazis were

24:12

meticulous record keepers. And

24:15

British archives contain first-hand

24:17

testimonies from survivors. Look

24:20

at this. We were beaten with

24:22

everything they could lay their hands on, with

24:25

sticks, spades, pickaxes.

24:28

It sounds absolutely ghastly. On

24:31

certain days, five to six,

24:34

up to ten men died.

24:36

Dr Carr told us there's no evidence

24:38

that gas chambers were used on Oldenie.

24:41

But there were summary executions,

24:44

and the prisoners built the

24:46

Nazi fortifications on starvation rations.

24:49

Were they taken to Oldenie to

24:51

be worked to death? They were certainly

24:53

seen as expendable. The aim was to get

24:56

every ounce of work out of them, and

24:58

if they died, it didn't matter, and that

25:00

was kind of perhaps expected. They were disposable

25:02

human beings. Yes, yes. How

25:05

did your father end up in

25:07

Oldenie? At a pub

25:09

in the Channel Islands, we met Gary

25:11

Faunt. His father, Francisco

25:13

Faunt, fought on the losing side

25:16

in the Spanish Civil War, was

25:18

arrested in France, handed over to

25:21

the Germans, and sent to a

25:23

concentration camp on Oldenie. Francisco

25:26

survived and later married a

25:28

British woman, Gary's mother. He

25:31

witnessed the execution of

25:33

a young Soviet boy who decided

25:36

to leave the working detail and

25:38

to change his footwear. So he

25:41

started to pick up these paper bags and

25:43

wrap them round his feet and then

25:45

tie them with string. And

25:47

an SS guard had seen him do this

25:49

and walked up to him and shot in point blank

25:51

range. Gary told

25:53

us his father's experiences left

25:56

him scarred. I

25:58

saw the emotion on his face. Do

26:09

you think that emotion came from that

26:11

he had survived the war in Spain

26:14

and survived the camp here? Yeah,

26:16

exactly. It was the first time I realised,

26:18

wow, this man has

26:20

a deep-rooted emotion inside

26:22

him that he could never get

26:24

out. The British government's

26:26

effort to get the truth

26:29

out by recounting the dead

26:31

was commissioned by Lord Pickles,

26:35

a former cabinet minister and now

26:37

the UK's envoy for post-holocaust

26:40

issues. The figures vary,

26:42

not by a few hundred, not by a few

26:45

thousand, but by tens of thousands. So

26:47

it was the controversy that prompted you

26:49

to commission the review? Yes,

26:51

it seemed to me that the sensible

26:54

thing was, well, OK, let's

26:56

do this in the open, let's do it

26:58

fully transparent. He's also asked

27:00

the researchers to put names to as

27:02

many of those killed as they can.

27:05

If you remember them as individuals, then

27:08

it's another blow against Hitler. Hitler

27:12

wanted to eradicate the memory of

27:14

people. So this is kind

27:17

of an ongoing fight against

27:19

Hitler and his ideas? Hitler's

27:22

evil hand still continues

27:25

to affect Europe and to affect the world. But

27:30

it's taken nearly 80 years

27:32

for the British government to re-examine

27:34

what happened on Albany and to

27:36

make its report public. The

27:38

official British investigations in 1945 were classified

27:41

for decades. And

27:44

unlike the trials of Nazi officials

27:47

in Nuremberg, the British authorities failed

27:49

to prosecute a single German officer

27:51

who worked on Alderney, even

27:54

though many of them ended up in British

27:56

prisoner of war camps. criminal.

28:01

The British government has gathered evidence against

28:03

them and they are in British

28:05

custody. Yes, they are at this point, yes. A

28:08

sort of slam dunk case. You'd

28:11

have thought. That's led Marcus

28:13

Roberts and others to claim that the

28:15

British government tried to cover up the

28:17

extent of the atrocities on Albany. Dr

28:20

Carr told us that could be

28:23

true, but one key document from

28:25

the British War Office investigation that

28:27

may explain why there were no

28:29

prosecutions is missing. It

28:32

could have been shredded

28:35

decades ago as part of what do

28:37

we need these files for anymore, but

28:40

could it also have been shredded for

28:42

more nefarious purposes? I have no idea.

28:44

In order for me to say there was

28:47

a cover-up, I want to

28:49

see the decisions taken.

28:51

I want to look through those steps

28:54

and to make up my own

28:56

mind. Why might the British government

28:58

have tried to cover up or

29:00

whitewash what happened on Albany

29:03

and maybe more broadly on the Channel

29:05

Islands? There were some things that happened

29:08

that might not, that

29:10

the British government might not necessarily have

29:13

wanted a wider audience to know about.

29:15

Those things, once feared

29:17

too troubling for the broader public,

29:19

happened on three of the other

29:21

Channel Islands where most residents

29:23

did not evacuate before the occupation.

29:26

When the Germans arrived, the

29:28

locals mostly cooperated, often with

29:31

little choice. Hitler's

29:33

portrait was hung outside this cinema on

29:35

the island of Guernsey. Nazi

29:37

propaganda showed the British police

29:40

working for German troops. And

29:43

British newspapers on the islands printed

29:45

orders from Berlin. This is a

29:47

British newspaper and it's got the

29:50

swastika on top. That's right. At

29:52

the official archives on the island

29:54

of Jersey, Linda Romerl showed us

29:57

how British officials implemented Nazi policies.

30:00

asking Jewish residents to identify

30:02

themselves and then confiscating their

30:04

assets. There was a huge

30:06

amount of requisitioning of

30:09

people's houses, people's property, during

30:12

the occupation period. But

30:14

some resisted, risking

30:16

punishment to paint anti-Nazi

30:18

graffiti and illegally

30:20

listening to British news on the

30:23

radio. That's my

30:25

great-aunt Louisa. I

30:27

suspect that she was probably quite

30:29

steely. One member of

30:31

the resistance was Louisa Gould, who

30:34

hid an escaped Russian prisoner in

30:36

her home for nearly two years.

30:39

I was just a house. Jenny

30:41

LeCote told us when her great-aunt

30:43

Louisa was finally caught, she

30:45

was sent to Ravensbruck concentration

30:47

camp in Germany. She

30:49

was killed in a Nazi gas chamber. She

30:51

was gassed to death, yeah. After

30:54

the occupation, did the British government

30:56

get in touch with your family

30:58

to talk about what

31:00

Louisa had done during the occupation

31:03

and about her murder by the

31:05

Nazis? The British government,

31:07

I think, were kind

31:09

of ashamed. They were horrified it had

31:11

happened, and they didn't really

31:13

want to get too involved in

31:15

what had gone on there. Not wanting to

31:18

talk about the resistance, or not wanting to

31:20

talk about the occupation at all.

31:23

While it was such a mixed picture, there

31:25

were people who had resisted the Germans as

31:27

much as resistance was possible within a tiny

31:29

9x5-mile island. And

31:32

there were also people who'd collaborated. Some

31:35

people had betrayed their own country.

31:37

The only possible legislation was treason, which

31:39

was still a hanging offence. They didn't

31:41

want to get into that. That was

31:44

the confusing, messy, dirty mixed

31:46

picture of the

31:48

Channel Islands occupation. We'll

31:50

learn more about that messy, dirty

31:52

history when the British government's review

31:55

of the death toll at the

31:57

camps on Albany is published next

31:59

month. But it's

32:01

unlikely to satisfy everyone. Some

32:04

kind of apology and moral

32:07

recompense would be helpful.

32:10

You want the British government to

32:12

apologise for not having prosecuted alleged war

32:14

criminals. Yes, I think it would be appropriate

32:16

for them to recognise what should

32:18

have been done didn't happen. The

32:23

horrors carried out on this tiny

32:25

remote island are difficult to imagine.

32:28

The victims were silenced and buried.

32:32

But now, nearly eight decades later,

32:35

they're finally being counted. Every

32:46

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32:48

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and our good times. There

34:29

have been plenty of successful stand-up comedians,

34:31

but few who've managed to do what

34:33

Kevin Hart has. In addition

34:36

to becoming a bankable movie star, he's

34:38

also built an entertainment and business

34:40

empire. And last month at 44,

34:42

he was awarded the Mark Twain Prize

34:45

for American humor, as close

34:47

to a Lifetime Achievement Award as you can get.

34:50

Hart's comedy isn't particularly

34:52

controversial. It's conversational with

34:54

a lot of cursing thrown in. He

34:56

tells revealing stories about his

34:58

wife and four kids, his

35:00

embarrassing insecurities, and his

35:02

many shortcomings. On stage,

35:04

Kevin Hart is an open book. But

35:07

when we sat down with him, on

35:09

one topic at least, he was a

35:11

bit hard to pin down. GQ

35:14

said you're 5'5", the LA Times says you're

35:16

5'4", and some other place said you were

35:19

5'2". Well that place is bullsh-t.

35:21

GQ finally got it right. 5'5". 5'5", 5'5", like

35:23

with a shoe on, like a sneaker. Now if

35:25

I put a boot on, I can get the

35:27

5'5". Kevin

35:32

Hart has been telling tall tales about

35:34

himself on stage for more than two

35:37

decades. 43 years old, I've

35:39

been 5'5", my whole life, 5'4", 5'2", my whole life. It's

35:46

talking about the things that

35:49

you aren't afraid to laugh at about yourself. I'm

35:52

really confident that the laugh that

35:54

I'm getting, you're not laughing necessarily

35:56

at me as if I'm a joke. You're laughing at me

35:58

as if I'm a joke. laughing at

36:00

the experience. I'm giving you an

36:03

experience through a story that is

36:05

relatable. And more importantly, I'm

36:07

saying things that other people just don't

36:10

have the heart to say. I

36:13

mean, you told this story about your wife watching

36:15

tall people porn. Yeah, who's taller than me. That

36:18

was your main issue. Yeah, why is he so tall? Is

36:21

that what you want? That was where we had

36:23

a real conversation over there. Is that what you're

36:25

looking for? If your search starts to call- You can't

36:27

fix that. Yeah, no, I can't fix that. One

36:30

of the sites wasn't even porn. One of

36:32

the sites was a bunch of tall men

36:34

being active. They were changing light bulbs, putting

36:36

on shelves, hanging paintings.

36:38

What kind of stuff is this? What the

36:41

is that? She was like,

36:43

what? You can't do none of that stuff. I like that stuff.

36:47

Hart is the highest grossing comedian

36:49

today. He sells out arenas around

36:51

the world and the occasional football

36:53

stadium. We saw the football stadium

36:55

out tonight. I need to hear

36:57

that. The wall is

36:59

full of great comedians. When we first

37:01

met him in January at his offices

37:04

in Los Angeles, he was working on

37:06

new material for an upcoming comedy tour.

37:08

To do an hour comedy special, how

37:10

long does it take? How many- We need to really

37:13

work on a set, eight to

37:15

nine months. Are you sitting in a room with

37:17

your team? No, I'm going back

37:19

to ground zero. Just small comedy clubs, find

37:21

out. Small comedy clubs, rooms. And

37:23

I got two guys, Harry Rashford,

37:26

Joey Wells, acting as my writers.

37:29

And what they do is, they grab

37:31

my material as I say it. But

37:34

you can't write it down for me. Like I

37:36

don't like the long jokes and long sentences. So

37:38

it has to be in bullet points. Travel,

37:43

bad, bad

37:45

travel. Why bad travel

37:47

makes me drive. Driving,

37:51

good versus bad. Everything

37:53

has a good and a bad. My

37:56

rule is when I get on stage, I

37:58

would much rather have- the

38:00

dismantled picture in my head of Kind

38:04

of what I think it is and it not be good

38:06

and then figure it out in real time And

38:08

walk off stage and go it was something there a few

38:12

hours later 3,000 people

38:14

showed up in Pasadena to hear heart

38:16

figure out his new jokes on stage

38:19

Everyone had to hand over their phones Before

38:24

he began Hart explained why like 90%

38:29

What I'm gonna do tonight, I feel like is really good the

38:31

reason why I took your phone is because of the

38:33

other 10% right

38:37

like just in case Just

38:40

in case some of his not you don't have no

38:43

proof We

38:45

agreed not to record any of

38:47

his routine either, but backstage we

38:49

found his collaborators Harry Ratchford and

38:51

Joey Wells Taking a lot of

38:53

notes How

39:00

Was this audience? It's always great great

39:02

like you can feel the laughter never

39:05

stopped That's the beauty of the theater

39:07

the theater lets you really feel the

39:09

highs and lows of a set There's

39:12

so much that he wants to do

39:14

Joey Wells and Harry Ratchford along with

39:16

comedians Will Spank Horton and Naeem Lin

39:18

Are among Hart's closest friends? They're also

39:21

known professionally as the plastic cup boys

39:24

What are you actually looking for when he's

39:26

on a stage and telling a

39:28

joke what notes do you have? Harry

39:30

is always structured. Yeah, we should

39:32

put the joke here and move it around and for

39:34

me I'm always just like how can it be just

39:37

a little funny and he might get a standing ovation.

39:39

I go that was great That was great. What

39:41

if you try this? Yeah Did this bank

39:43

and Naeem have known Hart since he was

39:45

a teenager growing up in a rough neighborhood

39:47

in North, Philadelphia Was Kevin

39:50

always as confident as he is today?

39:52

Yes I mean it was

39:54

perplexing in the beginning like why did this little

39:56

ugly dude have this much confidence? Oh,

40:00

what do you think he's doing?

40:03

Where is he going to dance? Home movies

40:05

his mom made show Heart was always

40:08

the family entertainer. He lived

40:10

in a one-bedroom apartment with his brother

40:12

Robert and his mom, Nancy Heart. She

40:14

kept a close eye on Kevin. She

40:17

planned every moment of your day. I had no free time. After

40:20

finishing my homework, I had to

40:22

get to swim practice. Me and my mom would walk

40:24

home from practice. The homework that I was supposed to

40:26

do beforehand, she would go over and

40:28

check and end up making me redo it, because

40:30

nine times out of ten, I rushed

40:32

through it just to get it done. She

40:35

would then make me read, and I

40:37

would skip pages, not expecting the quiz

40:39

of the book to come. Which you

40:41

would give me. Which you would give

40:43

me when I said I was done, and then

40:45

she would make me read it again. Do you credit her with

40:47

the drive you have? Absolutely. Absolutely.

40:51

His mom also kept Kevin's dad,

40:53

Henry Witherspoon, at a distance. He

40:55

was in and out of prison and addicted to

40:57

drugs, which Heart talked about in

40:59

a 2011 stand-up special called, Laugh

41:03

at My Pain. I was in

41:05

a weird, like, spelling bee debate. Now,

41:07

here's the thing. My dad would show up at my events and

41:10

treat them as if they were athletic events. First

41:12

of all, you can't cheer for no kid at a spelling bee. It's a spelling

41:14

bee. It's quiet. I'm focused.

41:17

I'm in the middle of spelling a very difficult

41:19

word. My dad shows up late, busts through the

41:21

back door, high as hell, making coke noises, all

41:23

right? Once again, I cannot make this up,

41:25

all right? This is all I heard. I'm in

41:27

the middle of spelling a... out of nowhere,

41:30

all I heard was, all right, all right, all

41:32

right! Yeah!

41:36

The actual details of stuff he did are

41:39

really heartbreaking. Yes. And

41:42

yet you tell it in a way that's funny.

41:44

Is it heartbreaking to you? No,

41:46

because... It must have been at the time. I see it for

41:49

what it was. As a kid,

41:51

that's dad. By

41:53

the way, in my environment, that's the

41:55

norm. It's normal to

41:58

see a parent drunk or... or

42:00

whatever. Your dad, even in the depths of his

42:02

drug use, he wanted to see you and your

42:04

brother. Absolutely. There was a period where he disappeared

42:06

but I didn't see him in a long time.

42:08

And I saw him on the subway, and

42:10

he was in bad shape. And I was like, dad, he

42:13

turned around and saw me. And

42:15

doors opened, my dad walked off and

42:17

ran. Later told me I

42:20

ran because it just hurt

42:22

me for you to see me like that. And that was one

42:24

of his key factors in the going and

42:26

getting help. Hart was eventually able

42:28

to help his dad get clean before he

42:30

died in 2022. My

42:33

dad is crazy. Kevin said his father loved

42:35

to hear the stories he told about him

42:37

in front of thousands of people. So we

42:39

talk about my dad, we celebrate my dad.

42:42

But when Hart started doing stand up at 18,

42:45

he struggled to find places to perform.

42:51

You would take gigs wherever you could get

42:53

them. Like you're talking bowling

42:56

alleys, you're talking cabaret, strip clubs. I did

42:58

play strip clubs. Did there a lot of

43:00

comedy and strip clubs? No! No!

43:03

I don't know who thought that comedy and

43:05

strip clubs mixed. But I remember one of

43:07

the most heartbreaking moments for me on stage

43:10

is like in the middle of

43:12

my set. This was at a strip club. And

43:14

I remember hearing his lady go, oh baby. After

43:18

you told the joke. Oh baby. Like

43:20

basically. So

43:22

disgusting and heartbroken that this is what

43:24

I chose to do with my

43:27

life. Hart thought he was about

43:29

to make it big when he shot a sitcom

43:31

for ABC called The Big House in 2003. My

43:34

God, it's low. Kevin Hart! The network

43:37

flew him out to the up fronts to present

43:39

the show to advertisers and the media. I'm next

43:41

to walk on stage so they can announce The

43:43

Big House. You're the guy with the microphone. It's

43:46

backstage managing the, this is

43:48

what I see. He's

43:50

right here. I'm with him. Tell him right now. Kevin,

43:53

hold up one second. They just said they're not

43:55

gonna go through or pick it up. Somebody should be back here to

43:57

talk to you shortly. What does

43:59

that mean? The guy with the

44:01

microphone is telling you that your series

44:03

is not being picked up by the

44:05

network. Not the network exec. Not the

44:07

CEO of Disney coming out saying hey.

44:09

No, no, no. A guy named Barry

44:13

in the back holding a curtain. It

44:15

was only because of that rejection. I don't want to

44:17

feel that. I don't like

44:19

that you got to hire me when you're ready. You're

44:22

saying that my

44:24

career is

44:27

basically determined off of the needs of

44:29

people that I don't know. And

44:33

that I don't talk to. I might be

44:35

sitting here all day. If

44:37

I don't go grab it and

44:39

I don't go make what I feel should be mine.

44:42

And that is what he did. He

44:44

started a small production company now

44:47

called Heartbeat and began making his

44:49

own hour-long stand-up specials. He

44:52

also marketed himself relentlessly through

44:54

social media. Hollywood

44:57

studios took notice. Get

45:00

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45:03

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45:07

When he was picked in 2018 to host

45:09

the Oscars, it seemed like a high point

45:12

in his career. I have nothing

45:14

but gay people. But then comments

45:16

he made about gay people years earlier on

45:18

stage and on Twitter caused controversy. Me being

45:20

a heterosexual male, if I can prevent my

45:22

son from being gay, I will. Heart

45:25

stepped down as the Oscars host. Initially

45:27

you didn't apologize. Later on you did.

45:29

Well, later on the understanding came

45:32

from the best light bulb ever. One

45:34

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45:36

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45:39

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45:41

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45:43

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45:46

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45:48

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45:51

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45:53

in those moments of despair, great

45:56

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45:59

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46:01

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46:03

the businesses heart has a hand in. The

46:06

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46:09

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46:11

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46:13

this what you want? This what you want?

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I'm going to give you what you want.

46:17

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46:19

that we make it out of here. Then he was

46:22

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46:24

owns. You need to reach people. Finally, you're a real

46:26

person. I am. He's

46:29

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46:32

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46:34

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46:37

Heartbeat, that little production company he started,

46:39

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46:43

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46:46

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46:49

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46:51

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46:53

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46:55

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47:13

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