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one of the most important and

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contentious issues in this presidential election

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year and there's no better

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example of that than the high-stakes

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fight between the state of Texas and

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the Biden administration. Three years ago Texas's Republican

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governor Greg Abbott launched Operation

5:04

Lone Star deploying thousands of

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police and soldiers and

5:09

miles of barriers to deter record

5:11

numbers of illegal crossings. The

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Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that immigration

5:15

is the job of the federal government

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but as we first reported earlier this

5:20

year rarely has a state so

5:23

aggressively challenged that authority. In

5:25

January Governor Abbott ordered his state

5:27

National Guard to block the federal

5:29

government's border patrol from Shelby Park,

5:32

a dusty stretch of border along the Rio

5:34

Grande in Eagle Pass, Texas. To

5:37

understand why you need to see

5:39

what happened there in December. We

5:42

were on the banks of the river before dawn

5:45

with soldiers from the Texas National Guard.

5:48

We heard the cries of people before we

5:50

could see their faces. It

5:53

wasn't until we moved closer that

5:55

we realized how many people had

5:57

just crossed from Mexico. The

6:01

soldiers told them it was dangerous to cross

6:03

here. Help us,

6:05

they begged. Some

6:10

of the women cried, we have children.

6:15

We heard groans and found this

6:17

young man twisting in the wire. He

6:22

kept going. Stay

6:27

calm, they told each other, as families

6:29

pushed their children through. Nearly

6:36

everyone we saw made it across

6:38

and into the United States. Thousands

6:42

of people a day crossed here in

6:44

late December, a record for this section

6:46

of the Texas border. There

6:49

were so many people, the U.S.

6:51

Border Patrol had to transform Shelby

6:54

Park into an open-air holding center.

6:57

Weeks later, once the surge died down,

6:59

Governor Abbott ordered his Texas National

7:01

Guard to block the federal government's

7:03

border patrol from entering the park

7:05

without permission. Governor Abbott

7:08

argued the federal government had failed to

7:10

fulfill its obligation to the state. And

7:13

in that, some heard echoes of Texas' history

7:15

of rebellion and threats of secession. I can't

7:17

believe, Governor, I'm going to ask you this

7:19

question, but I'm going to ask you, do

7:22

you believe that Texas has the right to

7:24

succeed? Is that what we're talking about here?

7:27

Those are false narratives. What

7:29

Texas and the United States have the

7:31

right to do. And that's

7:33

to enforce the law. You heard the argument

7:35

against what you're doing out here. Each state

7:37

can't control its own border policy. You're looking

7:40

at a completely chaotic system. That's the job

7:42

of the federal government. We're not imposing

7:44

a Texas border policy. Texas

7:46

very simply is enforcing the laws

7:49

that are the policy of the United

7:51

States Congress. What gives you the authority

7:53

to tell the U.S. border patrol what to

7:55

do? For one, as governor of the state

7:57

of Texas, I have the authority to control...

8:00

ingress and egress to any land in

8:02

the state of Texas for another. This

8:04

land we're on right now was used by

8:06

the federal government to further illegal

8:09

activity and I wanted to put a stop to it. We

8:13

went behind the guarded gates of Shelby

8:15

Park in January, shortly after Governor

8:17

Abbott had taken control. So this

8:19

is called an anti-climb barrier. Texas

8:21

Department of Public Safety Lieutenant Christopher

8:24

Olivares showed us where state

8:26

national guardsmen were installing fresh razor

8:28

wire barriers along the river. Help

8:30

me understand at the heart of

8:32

this why Texas has a problem

8:35

with the border patrol coming

8:37

in to process migrants in this park.

8:40

The issue is trying to prevent another

8:43

influx because when border patrol is here setting

8:46

up a processing center it's going to attract,

8:48

it's going to encourage more migrants to cross

8:50

the river because they know where

8:52

to go. It's one of many spots

8:54

along the Texas border where coils of

8:56

sharp wire have been going up ever

8:58

since Governor Abbott launched Operation Lone

9:01

Star in 2021. Since

9:03

then thousands of migrants

9:05

have been arrested and

9:08

detained on trespassing charges.

9:10

State troopers have cracked down on

9:12

human smuggling rings and

9:15

the state has spent more than 150 million

9:17

dollars sending migrants on buses to

9:19

cities like New York and Chicago,

9:22

turning the trouble at the border

9:24

into a political and financial headache

9:26

for Democratic mayors. Once

9:28

the site of ballgames and flea markets, Shelby

9:31

Park is now Governor Abbott's model

9:33

of what the Texas border can be.

9:35

Where we are right now there used

9:37

to be 3,000 or 4,000

9:39

people crossing illegally a day. For

9:42

the past three days there's an average of just

9:44

three people crossing the border illegally.

9:46

You don't just plant a flag just to plant

9:48

a flag. It's got to be strategic and it's

9:51

got to make sense. Raul Ortiz

9:53

served as chief of the U.S.

9:55

Border Patrol under President Biden and

9:57

deputy chief under President Trump. retired

10:00

last year. When agencies are

10:02

making a decision based upon politics or

10:05

whether they're going to get media coverage,

10:07

hey, we're going to put all our

10:09

personnel in this two-mile stretch. What about

10:11

the other 200 miles? In

10:14

our interview, Ortiz criticized Governor

10:16

Abbott for not cooperating with the

10:19

Border Patrol and playing politics with

10:21

immigration. But he also expressed

10:23

frustration with President Biden. I've never

10:25

had one conversation with the

10:27

president or the vice president for that

10:30

matter. And so I was the chief

10:32

of the Border Patrol. I commanded 21,000

10:34

people. That's

10:36

a problem. I just saw 50 people

10:39

today who had

10:41

just crossed the border illegally. So

10:44

something's not working. We need to make sure

10:46

that Central America,

10:48

South America, Mexico, that

10:51

those regions understand that if you pay

10:53

a smuggler and you cross in between

10:55

the ports of entry and you do

10:58

not have a legitimate claim to

11:00

some sort of asylum benefit, you're going to be sent

11:02

back. Do you believe that the White House

11:05

has sent mixed messages to migrants?

11:07

Yeah, most definitely. We

11:09

spoke with Ortiz in an area just four

11:11

miles south of Shelby Park. The

11:14

ground was littered with wet clothes that

11:16

migrants had changed out of and left

11:18

behind after crossing the river. Does

11:20

all of this tell you that

11:23

people are still crossing this river right here?

11:26

Oh yeah, the guides or the smugglers

11:28

will bring the migrants over. This is

11:30

all very calculated by the cartels that

11:32

control these areas on the Mexican side.

11:35

About seven miles north of Shelby Park, we

11:37

came upon this group of migrants who had

11:40

just crossed the Rio Grande and were being

11:42

picked up by the Border Patrol. Do

11:45

you have a mother who has been there for a long time?

11:48

His mother and her two sons took buses

11:50

from El Salvador. She told us

11:52

the soldiers on the U.S. side of

11:54

the border weren't much of a deterrent.

11:56

She feared the cartels in Mexico more.

11:58

Good bye. Sometimes they

12:00

kidnap you and expect payment, she said.

12:03

The reality is people are still gonna find a way to

12:06

get in, no matter how much

12:08

manpower you have out here, no matter how

12:10

much wire you put up. Disagree completely. You

12:12

do. Yeah, because in Texas, anyway, we're gonna

12:14

be barricading every area where people

12:16

are crossing until we

12:18

get every area to have, like

12:21

this area is right now. Texas

12:23

is going to barricade every area. What do you

12:25

mean? Every area where the cartels use

12:27

as a crossing. We intend to be barricading.

12:29

Border's gonna look like a war zone. It

12:32

is a war zone. Over the past three

12:34

years, the Biden administration has carried out

12:36

over 4 million expulsions

12:38

and deportations, more than the Trump

12:40

administration. But it has also allowed

12:42

over 3 million people to remain

12:44

in the country for years while

12:47

their immigration cases are heard. And

12:49

the border patrol estimates another 1.6 million people

12:53

have entered the country illegally without

12:55

getting caught. In February,

12:57

former President Trump visited Shelby Park

12:59

with Governor Abbott. On

13:02

the same day, President Biden was also

13:04

at the Texas border in Brownsville. Instead

13:06

of playing politics with the issue, why don't we just get

13:08

together and get it done? President Biden

13:10

says that if Republicans were serious

13:12

about securing the border, they would

13:15

not have rejected a bipartisan immigration

13:17

deal in the Senate in February

13:19

after former President Trump opposed it.

13:22

That deal would have increased funding for

13:24

the border patrol and required the president

13:26

to expel all migrants crossing illegally

13:28

during surges like the one at

13:30

Shelby Park in December. The

13:33

latest battle between Texas and Washington

13:35

contains a new law Governor Abbott

13:38

signed authorizing Texas' more than 2,700

13:40

law enforcement agencies to

13:43

arrest migrants for illegally crossing the border.

13:46

Texas judges could then order migrants to

13:48

return to Mexico or serve time, bypassing

13:51

the federal immigration system entirely.

13:55

Critics of the law say it is so

13:57

broadly written, it fails to define when authorities

13:59

can... stop someone. Tell me more

14:01

about the... We asked Lt. Olivares of the

14:03

Texas Department of Public Safety, or

14:05

DPS, about the concern that immigrants

14:08

and people of color could be subjected to

14:10

racial profiling. I can say that our troopers are

14:12

not going to be stopping cars and checking for

14:14

immigration status. They're not. But

14:16

this law is not just written for DPS. Right. It's

14:19

a Texas law. The reality is, this

14:21

is going to be carried out far from the

14:23

border. Absolutely. So couldn't you

14:25

get caught up in it? You're

14:27

Latino. Couldn't I get caught up in it? They

14:30

have to develop probable cause in order to stop a car. You

14:33

can't just go interview every single person in that car, asking

14:36

for immigration status. But

14:38

of course, yeah, there could be some issues where

14:40

maybe some other agency outside of a border area

14:43

could take that into account. It's probably because

14:46

there's a lot of agencies here in Texas

14:48

that operate, right? But I would think that

14:50

every chief at a police agency would

14:52

have to implement some type of policy and

14:54

procedure to actually enforce this new law. In

14:57

February, a federal judge stopped the

14:59

new law from taking effect. An

15:01

appeals court is now considering the case. The

15:04

Department of Justice and the American

15:06

Civil Liberties Union are suing Texas,

15:08

arguing the law interferes with the

15:11

federal government's authority over immigration. But

15:14

Governor Abbott argues Texas is being invaded

15:16

and has the right to defend

15:18

itself. That idea has

15:20

resonated with militias and groups opposed

15:22

to illegal immigration. Some

15:25

joined a convoy in February and descended

15:27

on the Eagle Pass area. Everyone,

15:30

I think, agrees that the

15:32

immigration system right now is completely broken

15:34

and there's a lot of blame to

15:36

go around. But do

15:38

you really, truly believe that

15:40

invasion is the right word

15:42

to be using here? Invasion

15:44

is the word that's used in the United

15:47

States Constitution. Invasion or

15:49

imminent danger? I use them both. And

15:52

we are in imminent danger because

15:54

of what the drug cartels do

15:56

every single day, because of the

15:58

known and unknown terror. who

16:00

cross every single day. So the

16:03

convoys in militia have heard the language,

16:05

and they've started to come to the

16:07

point that migrants have had to be

16:09

relocated from some locations for their own

16:11

safety. Are you not concerned about violence

16:14

happening because of language like the word

16:16

invasion? There's

16:18

no language that would spur violence, but I'll be

16:20

clear about this. We don't want violence

16:22

at any time. How does

16:24

this end? Oh, it is

16:26

very simple. And that's with a president of

16:28

the United States who will actually fulfill his

16:30

oath of office and enforce the laws of

16:33

the United States of America, and

16:35

that means denying illegal entry into our country. Do

16:37

you want to be Trump's running mate? No. What

16:40

if he asks you? Listen, I love

16:43

being governor of Texas. I

16:45

can best aid him in my role by

16:47

being a great governor of Texas. So

16:50

far, the governor has committed more than

16:52

$11 billion to Operation Lone

16:54

Star. In the last

16:57

three years, the percentage of people

16:59

entering Texas illegally has dropped while

17:01

rising in other border states. Abbott's

17:04

critics say that has more to do

17:06

with other factors, like crackdowns on migration

17:08

in parts of Mexico. There

17:11

are still more than a million illegal border

17:13

crossings in Texas every year. There

17:16

are also at least a dozen lawsuits

17:18

being fought between Texas and the federal

17:20

government over immigration issues. In

17:23

fighting worries, former Border Patrol Chief

17:25

Raoul Ortiz. The National Guardsmen,

17:28

even to some degree the Border Trois, have

17:31

become pawns in this political game between the

17:33

two sides. Who's winning? The cartels, the

17:35

criminal organizations, that's who's winning in all of this.

17:38

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17:40

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17:43

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one of the world's most unusual

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and dangerous sporting events is about

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to get underway. The

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30 mile long Isle of Man sits in

19:27

the middle of the Irish Sea with England

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to the east and Ireland to the west.

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It once was the seat of a

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Viking kingdom. Today Britain's King Charles is

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head of state or Lord of Man.

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People born there are known as Manx

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and the Isle has its own unique

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language and a tailless cat also called

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Manx. A few hundred years

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ago it was known as a haven for

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smugglers. The buccaneers are gone.

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tax haven. But As we

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first reported last fall, What? Drew

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us to the Isle of Man

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was not the beauty or the

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event that at first glance seems

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little jewel. As an island. Was.

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the ruins of medieval castles.

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The pace of life on

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the Isle of Man is

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slow even sleepy. For. Fifty

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weeks of the year. Blood

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for To. Starting at the end

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of May, it becomes one of

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the loudest. Fastest

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most dangerous places in

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sports. Is

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here, nothing comes as I saw a

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point in waiting on. British

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motorcycle racer Pietrzyk Mean is one of

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the best in the world. And

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a certain time winner of a race

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known as the Isle of Man. T

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for both tourists from feet and

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before we met and. Watched

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are orphans enormous traffic until just

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thirty minutes before racing begins on

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a thirty seven mile course that

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covers much of the island running

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through villages and

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pastures with riders taking more than

22:06

200 turns just

22:08

inches from rock walls and

22:10

buildings and residents. You

22:16

literally race through a village and it just feels like

22:18

you shouldn't be doing it but we're allowed. On

22:22

the Isle of Man. There's

22:25

more to say about the TT much

22:27

more but first what

22:30

is it about this tranquil isle

22:32

that produces such a wild and

22:34

improbable race. The people in the

22:36

island like to do things their own way. Katrina

22:39

Mackey moved here from Scotland 15 years

22:42

ago and now teaches university

22:45

students the history of the Isle of

22:47

Man. She told us

22:49

over the centuries the blood and

22:52

cultures of English, Irish and Viking

22:54

clashed and mixed here to create

22:56

the unique manks identity. The

22:59

manks see themselves as you know we're not

23:01

English, we're not Irish, we are monks. From

23:04

what you're telling me the Isle of Man seems

23:06

to always be finding

23:08

its own path. That streak

23:11

seems to define it. Yeah

23:13

it still has that streak

23:16

of independence and a lot of

23:18

it does come from its Norse heritage. The

23:21

Norse Vikings sailed south from Scandinavia

23:23

more than a thousand years ago

23:26

in search of places to conquer.

23:28

In 1079

23:31

Norse Gaelic ruler called Gordred Kroven

23:34

invaded the Isle of Man for the third

23:36

time, third time lucky for him. This

23:38

was the seat of the Norse kingdom

23:40

for a while? For a while yes that's right.

23:43

Contrary to their reputation the Vikings

23:46

didn't just plunder and move on.

23:48

On the Isle of Man they

23:50

established a sort of parliament called

23:53

the Tinwald that still makes the

23:55

laws here. It is

23:57

the longest continuous running

24:00

Parliament and the world and it is

24:02

an important part of the my identity.

24:04

Ah, Another

24:09

important aspect of identity is

24:12

the Manx language which need

24:14

assistance speaking and seen for

24:17

nearly sixteen hundred. Nice

24:22

kid. Didn't go Works at a

24:25

cultural organization dedicated to preserving

24:27

and popularizing the Manx language.

24:29

Saw, oh.

24:34

My god it was beautiful. Thanks is

24:36

why does it matter to to save

24:38

the language. Of my ancestors

24:40

stake Manx sesame, it's It's a nice

24:43

way of feeling like I'm connected. I

24:45

think if we were to leave Manx,

24:47

we'd be so much the period. As

24:49

far as. A society that

24:52

altogether. Manx

24:56

nearly was lost by the nineteen

24:58

sixties. After more and more English

25:00

speakers visited or settled on the

25:02

Isle, there were fewer than two

25:05

hundred make speakers left when a

25:07

concerted effort began to revise the

25:09

length. i'm in a T Chief.

25:11

Hard to say. Gee!

25:13

Miss. The rebirth of the

25:15

language has been described sort of like

25:17

are seen. It's like story. Yeah,

25:19

literally yes, A strong. It's a

25:22

resilient language and I think that's

25:24

more more pride all the time

25:26

with people embracing monks and seeing

25:28

as a really really good thing

25:30

that is just like that the

25:32

the Phoenix Rising out of the

25:34

assets, it didn't die at that

25:37

perilously close. As I see again,

25:39

we already know she rarely. Today.

25:42

Runs Kagan Go, teaches adult Manx

25:44

classes at a local pub. Goodness

25:47

means knowledge of asked to

25:49

new retail Yes, while just a

25:52

few hundred yards down the room floor

25:54

and five euros or learning to code

25:56

and a manx language immersion school It's

26:02

really exciting seeing people going from

26:04

having one or two words in

26:06

their very first lesson. You're starting

26:08

to introduce yourself, Miss Ruth, you

26:11

know, coyos. Who are you? You'd

26:13

say Miss Bill back. Miss

26:15

Bill. Miss Bill, yeah. Well done. That's

26:17

good. Slaat

26:20

is taliazika, slaat is hee-tik, tanilin

26:22

bannan. Manx is spoken when the

26:24

tin wall, the Isle of Man's

26:26

Parliament, meets in ceremonial session. For

26:29

centuries the tin wall has charted

26:31

the Isle's unique path. It

26:33

was the first legislature in the world to

26:35

grant women the vote. It especially

26:38

asserts Manx independence in matters of

26:40

taxation. England

26:43

in the mid-17th century had raised

26:45

its systems duties. The Isle of

26:47

Man didn't, so you have Tivasco

26:49

and Tea and Brandy and Rum

26:51

coming from Europe and elsewhere into

26:53

the Isle of Man that were

26:55

then taken from the island

26:57

in small boats and smuggled

27:00

into England or Scotland. The

27:02

smuggling was known as running. The

27:05

running trade or the trade, yes,

27:07

absolutely. And that

27:09

was very lucrative. Very, very lucrative,

27:11

yeah. It was at that point

27:13

that the British government decided, okay, we really need to

27:15

do something about this, enough is enough. The

27:19

British effectively took control of the Isle

27:21

of Man and to this day the

27:23

British monarch is head of state and

27:25

has the right to veto any Manx

27:27

law. In practice

27:29

that power is almost never used

27:32

and the Isle of Man fiercely

27:34

guards its independence. We

27:36

have our own tax laws and

27:39

the island is very, very proud of that. In

27:42

a way, what was

27:44

going on in the 17th and

27:46

18th century, the trade, this

27:49

place was kind of a tax haven back

27:51

then. In some respects, I

27:53

guess you could call it that. It

27:56

is again today. It is again today, yeah.

28:00

companies don't pay any co-operation tax at

28:02

all. Zero. Zero.

28:04

The level of income tax is much lower than it

28:06

is elsewhere, so we have a top rate of income

28:08

tax of 20%. We have a

28:10

lot of people living on the island who are very,

28:12

very wealthy, who pay relatively little

28:15

tax on the island than they

28:17

would elsewhere. The

28:20

isle's total population is a little more than 80,000,

28:22

but many of the world's biggest

28:26

banks have a branch here. The

28:29

owners of more than 1,000 private jets

28:31

avoid millions of dollars in taxes

28:33

by registering them on the Isle

28:35

of Man. Just

28:38

as it has tried to make its

28:40

tax laws attractive, the Isle of Man

28:42

has worked long and hard to attract

28:44

tourists. By the 1880s,

28:46

1890s, a week's holiday by the sea had

28:49

become a British institution, really, and

28:53

by 1913, just before the First World War,

28:55

we were seeing 600, 650,000 people

28:57

visiting the

28:59

island every summer. Huge, huge, huge numbers of

29:02

visitors. Among those visitors

29:04

around the turn of the 20th

29:06

century were a few wealthy people

29:08

who brought with them newfangled machines

29:10

called motor cars. The speeds that

29:12

we're doing were quite phenomenal. According

29:15

to Matthew Richardson, curator at the

29:17

Manx National Heritage Museum, these

29:19

were the founding fathers of the race

29:21

now known as the Isle of Man

29:24

TT. The TT began,

29:26

actually, as a car race. That's where we get

29:28

the name tourist trophy from, because it began as

29:30

a race for touring cars. There

29:32

was no opportunity to race cars in the

29:35

United Kingdom at this time, because Parliament there

29:37

had banned road closures for racing.

29:39

And you guys just said, yeah, sure, we'll

29:42

close our roads down. Well, partly, the Lieutenant

29:44

Governor was the cousin of the chairman of

29:46

the Royal Automobile Club, Sir Julian Ord. The

29:48

Isle of Man economy at that time was

29:50

heavily dependent on tourists coming here, and he

29:52

thought that having a racing event would only

29:54

bring more tourists, and he was proved to be absolutely

29:56

right. Was

29:59

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30:01

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The Isle of Man's unique culture and

31:40

Manx language set them apart, but

31:43

it's the race known as the TT that

31:45

has really put it on the map. First

31:47

held in 1907, it

31:50

is the most dangerous motorcycle race on

31:52

earth. More than 250 riders have been

31:54

killed over the years.

31:57

Yet, as we first reported last year,

32:00

Fans flock across the Irish Sea

32:02

to watch, and racers

32:04

clamor for an invitation to

32:06

ride. Like,

32:16

it is my life. That's the thing. It always has been

32:18

since I was a wee boy. My dad sat me on

32:21

the hedge, and I watched this bike go past, and I

32:23

thought, that's what I want to do when I grow up. Super

32:26

sport and super twins to the star

32:28

line, please. Richard Milky Quail was

32:30

born and raised on the Isle of Man. A manxman

32:32

through and through is how he puts it. In 1997,

32:34

he got his wish to race in the TT, and

32:36

five years later, he won

32:46

it. So

32:49

what is it like as a manxman to win

32:52

the TT? Well, I mean, there's

32:54

only ever been three of us that have ever done it in

32:56

118 years or whatever.

32:58

So I think it's a bit like

33:00

when you go to do your washing on your

33:02

trousers and you stick your washing in, you just,

33:04

I'll just check the pockets before you reach in

33:06

there and you'll find £10. And, oh, yeah, I've

33:08

got £10, Richard. Well, if you can

33:11

multiply that by a million, that's what

33:13

it's like to win the TT. It's just like, woohoo! The

33:18

actual prize money is miniscule compared

33:20

to other professional sports. The winner

33:22

of last year's top class TT

33:25

race won just over $30,000. There

33:27

are five classes in all dictated

33:33

by the power of the motorcycle and the

33:35

number of locks. Riders

33:38

are constantly braking,

33:41

shifting, and

33:46

twisting the throttle thousands of times every

33:48

lap. Then

33:52

there is the side car race,

33:54

three-wheeled contraptions that scream around the

33:57

course with a driver and a

33:59

passenger. whose job is to

34:01

throw their weight around every curve just

34:03

inches off the ground. What

34:06

about the sidecar? I'm crazy and mental

34:08

about the sidecars. They're alone to themselves.

34:10

They are. You'd

34:12

never get me on a sidecar. I'm

34:14

not into that. I love speed. I

34:16

love fast bikes, fast cars, fast jet

34:18

skis, fast Denison, but... Nah,

34:21

sidecars. No, no, I draw the line of that.

34:24

You need only to look at old

34:26

photos to see how the race has

34:28

changed. Early sidecar outfits look like what

34:31

you might see on the street. Today,

34:35

they resemble angry mutant bobsleds.

34:40

The first motorcycles were basically bicycles with

34:43

engines strapped on. Today's

34:46

bikes are bullets, ridden

34:50

by some of the top pro racers in the world. I'm

34:53

trying to beat the clock, not the person in

34:55

front of me, effectively. Milky Quail gave us a

34:58

taste of what it's like to ride the course,

35:00

with a bike mounted on a simulator. Up

35:02

towards the black jub, so it's on the left.

35:04

Incredible. And an actual lap playing on a screen

35:07

in front of him. Over

35:09

to the left, and then over to the right. It

35:12

takes so much physical effort to get the things to turn through

35:14

there. So this is sort of the straight now, Bill. This is

35:16

one of the fastest points on the circuit. Everything's

35:18

a blur going by here. 190, 195,

35:20

200 miles an hour here. This

35:23

is nuts, you know that, right? Well,

35:26

it's from Bill. He

35:28

knows a lot of people won't get

35:30

his definition of fun. Now,

35:33

the last time you raced as a rider

35:36

was 20 years ago? 20 years

35:38

ago, no, yeah. It nearly killed you, didn't it? Yeah,

35:41

yeah, yeah. Yeah,

35:47

it did, but I mean... What happened? I

35:50

made a one little mistake. What was your mistake?

35:52

I just literally entered the corner too early. I

35:55

Just caught the rock face with my shoulder. I Just

35:57

snagged in it, pulled it into the wall in the

35:59

right direction.. In an serve openly, they were

36:01

molested. Yes, that's that's that's the flip

36:03

side of the coin. And a sister

36:05

when it goes bad, it. Really?

36:08

We can a isn't. The

36:10

crash in two thousand and three ruptured his

36:12

spleen and punctured both of his lungs among

36:15

other injuries. simon but I was one possible

36:17

by the journalists came in to see me

36:19

and we want that interview and stuff and

36:21

your turn put words in the most likely.

36:23

Ah well you you must hate of animals

36:25

emotions dangers you want was one a skillet

36:27

stop there was like you off. Well.

36:30

Why would want to stop it's the best thing in

36:32

the world and with level one day why would A

36:34

wants to stop it just because a hit? The

36:37

only way of making this event safest and not

36:39

do it. You know if we're going to race

36:41

sport bike through towns and villages on public roads

36:43

are inherent danger is going to be bad. For

36:47

soon as the man who has been

36:49

in overall charge of the I was

36:51

meant to meet for the last fifteen

36:53

years. The

36:56

by started single file for trouble social

36:58

facts. Rather see

37:01

them as is generally facilities as as

37:03

time thirty or forty mph mega freedom

37:05

of two hundred mph summer for you

37:07

know how crazy with the says it

37:10

as I can go through the village

37:12

where usually drive and thirty five miles

37:14

an hour and these guys are going

37:16

to hundred miles an hour villages as

37:19

while it is wrong. This.

37:24

Some see when our audience who

37:26

are not really familiar with the

37:28

roof would be. Surprised.

37:31

as seen the casualties statistics

37:33

two hundred systems casualties over

37:35

the years you know that's

37:37

got some people will serve

37:39

howling that this races too

37:42

dangerous and it shouldn't be

37:44

i totally understand not and

37:46

you know this event really

37:48

does it embodies or so

37:50

i human spirit nervous for

37:52

the common do this and

37:54

this event so kind of

37:56

gave them you me the

37:59

opportunity to of test themselves

38:01

and push their boundaries and live

38:03

their lives to the absolute limit.

38:05

Like the ultimate expression of free

38:07

will. Yeah. Even if that free

38:09

will can get you killed. So it

38:11

seems, yeah. To be honest, as

38:13

a rider you don't really think about it. Hickman

38:16

takes his third senior TT. Peter

38:19

Hickman has won 13 TT races, including

38:22

last year's marquee race, the senior

38:24

TT. 225 miles over six grueling

38:27

laps. As

38:32

a rider we have already accepted, if someone's

38:35

here and riding and signed up, we have

38:37

already accepted what that consequence is

38:39

if we make a mistake. What

38:41

do you say to the people who say it's

38:44

too dangerous? Everyone's entitled to their own opinion

38:46

Bill, that's the way I look at it, you know, and again

38:49

in today's world where you

38:51

can't do this, you can't do that, you can't do the

38:53

other. The Isle of Man is the

38:55

last place, I think, in the world where a man

38:57

can push themselves to his limits. I

39:00

think a TT rider is the modern day dragon slayer

39:02

of the world, you know, he wants to prove that

39:04

he is, you know, an

39:06

alpha male. Have a

39:10

look on the other side. Organizers of

39:12

the TT have taken steps to minimize

39:14

risk where they can. Riders

39:18

are sent off the start line at

39:20

10 second intervals to make space between

39:22

them. But

39:25

passes with not an inch

39:27

to spare still happen. Yeah,

39:31

the course is all good all the

39:33

way to Ramsey. There's a sophisticated control

39:35

room where race managers can monitor every

39:37

rider on the course. So

39:40

it's sort of like air traffic control?

39:42

Yeah, that's sort of what it looks

39:44

like here in the air traffic. Absolutely.

39:46

Everybody does? Yeah. Gary Thompson is the

39:48

man in charge of the control tower,

39:50

what's known as the clerk of the

39:52

course. This afternoon we're going to close

39:54

the roads at 12 30 and

39:56

then 30 minutes later we're going to have

39:58

bikes racing down Blenkolte Road. at nearly

40:00

200 miles an hour. So in

40:02

30 minutes, we've just turned a public

40:04

highway into a racing circuit with

40:07

602 marshals in position with

40:10

a course locked down ready to race. And

40:13

over 37 3-quarter miles, pretty

40:15

special. Pretty special.

40:17

I wish you a safe and

40:19

enjoyable qualifying session. Control out. Perhaps

40:22

the most significant change has been to

40:24

strictly limit the number of racers to

40:26

just over 30 sidecar teams

40:28

and 100 solo riders. How

40:32

important is it just to determine that

40:34

a rider is good enough to be

40:36

on this course? Very. One

40:38

of the things when I first started work on the

40:40

CT was that that wasn't the case. There were people

40:43

coming here who were ill-prepared. Now,

40:46

there's a strict protocol for would-be

40:48

first-time racers, and Milky Quail is

40:50

a key part of it. Maybe

40:52

just there. He

40:55

first takes newcomers around the course in

40:57

a car. So then what's

40:59

going to happen is... Then, during practice

41:01

week, he leads them on an actual

41:03

lap to see how they perform and

41:05

whether they can keep up. What,

41:08

are you looking to see if they're good enough

41:11

to actually be in the race? Yeah, basically... It's

41:14

a bit like applying for a job. You have to have a good

41:16

racing CV. So that's the first initial

41:18

thing that we do, is we go, who is he? What's

41:21

he done before? So if he's a good rider, that's

41:25

an instant plus for tick. It's like, OK,

41:27

well, he knows how to handle them. Do

41:29

you ever have someone you're taking around and you go,

41:33

they're not ready? Yeah. I've been... Now, 18

41:35

years, I've been teaching people, and in

41:38

the 18 years, I've probably had about five people that

41:40

have said, no, you're not ready, you need to go

41:42

back and do a bit more studying. I

41:45

remember going behind Milky Quail on my initiation lap

41:47

and I actually screamed in my helmet. I'm

41:49

like, this is crazy!

41:52

Oh! Renny Skaysbrook

41:54

made Milky's Cut, an

41:56

Australian now living in California. He

41:58

is a full-time... motorcycle journalist

42:03

and a part-time racer who was invited here

42:05

after winning the Pikes Peak race in the

42:07

US. His first TT was in 2022 when six riders were

42:09

killed. That's

42:16

some really awful stuff that happens here.

42:18

You can't sugar-cut it. But

42:20

on the other side, you know, it is the most

42:23

incredible place to ride a motorcycle. Like,

42:26

the danger is up here, the exhilaration

42:28

is up here. It's so

42:30

unlike anything else. You

42:34

ask any motorcyclist and you say, the old man TT and they

42:36

all know. You know, it's like

42:38

saying, you ever heard of Michael Jordan? Like, you might

42:40

not like basketball, but you know who Michael Jordan is. The

42:43

TT is a bit like that. What's

42:45

the appeal of racing so fast on

42:48

public roads, through towns, past schools, past

42:50

grandma's house? What's the appeal of this

42:53

race? Because you can't do it anywhere

42:55

else. You can't believe

42:57

that you're allowed to do it.

42:59

Like, everything that you're doing is

43:01

so illegal everywhere else in the

43:03

world. And then you just

43:05

get this, like, the things that just,

43:08

like, buildings are ripping past you and

43:10

like, there's no gap between the building

43:12

and the pavement. There's no footpath.

43:14

So, like, someone's bedroom window is only like

43:16

that far away and you're doing 165 miles

43:19

an hour. It's like, it's completely mad.

43:22

It's awesome. It's

43:24

mad. It's awesome. It's

43:26

awesome. During practice

43:28

week, we met one of the fairies

43:33

and watched as hundreds upon

43:35

hundreds of racing fans rolled

43:37

off. To

43:40

accommodate the 40,000 fans who come to the

43:43

race, almost every soccer and

43:46

rugby field becomes a campground.

43:49

And the roads, while

43:51

they're open, are clogged with riders.

43:54

The fan can run off the boat, sit

43:56

beside the road, watch the hero go past

43:58

half an hour later. after the roads open they

44:01

can ride on the same track. It's the

44:03

best. It is the best bill, you know, it's the best. There's

44:08

no admission fee to watch

44:11

and the paddock is open

44:13

to all. Here fans can

44:15

touch the

44:18

stars. One

44:21

visit to the merchandise tent is all it

44:23

takes to know that this is a

44:26

commercial bonanza

44:31

for the aisle. And

44:33

make no mistake that's what it exists for.

44:36

It exists for economic reasons. It exists to

44:38

bring people to our island and for

44:40

no other reason. It doesn't exist because we like motorbikes.

44:42

We do like motorbikes but that's not why it exists. One

44:46

rider was killed in last

44:48

year's TT, 46-year-old Spaniard Raul

44:50

Torres Martinez. That

44:53

there was just one death after the six

44:55

racers killed in 2022 was a relief to

44:58

organizers but

45:00

also a reminder of the risk that has

45:02

run through these winding roads for more than

45:04

a century. A lot of

45:07

people don't grasp just how wild the event really

45:09

is. I mean I'm a part-time race

45:12

so I can steer a bike okay but

45:14

I'm not the level of these guys. You know, I

45:16

mean they do stuff that I just go I

45:19

have no idea how you do it. Wow that's

45:21

brave. Yeah that's hot in your mouth. Peter

45:25

Hickman is one of those guys.

45:27

Last year while winning four races

45:29

he set a new all-time speed

45:31

record for a single lap. What's

45:34

the trickiest part or

45:37

maybe it's the same thing. What's the most dangerous

45:39

part? It's all tricky, it's all

45:42

complicated, it's all dangerous if you get it

45:44

wrong. You know there's only a few corners

45:46

that are very slow that are probably 30, 40

45:48

mile an hour maybe. 95%

45:51

of the lap I would say is over 160 miles

45:54

an hour hence why the average speed is well over 130.

45:57

You have to be at 110% concentration. 110%

46:00

of the time. What's

46:02

your explanation for why you do

46:04

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46:06

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46:09

can't just leave it like that, you know? It's

46:13

found. Explain. What do you mean? I

46:15

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46:18

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46:20

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46:32

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46:34

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46:36

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46:41

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46:44

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46:46

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the outside looking in. We were blessed. My

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48:49

on inside the Hargan household. Ashley and

48:51

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48:56

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48:58

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49:01

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49:03

laid dead upstairs patrol. When they arrived,

49:05

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49:07

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49:10

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49:12

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49:14

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49:16

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49:18

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49:20

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49:23

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