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another type of proxy Iran

6:12

deploys that receives far less

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attention. As we reported

6:16

in November, Tehran is

6:18

hiring hitmen around the world

6:20

in an effort to intimidate,

6:23

abduct, and assassinate perceived enemies

6:25

of the regime. And

6:28

they're doing it right here on

6:30

U.S. soil. This

6:35

video was posted online by

6:37

a channel affiliated with Iran's

6:39

Revolutionary Guard. It

6:41

vows to kill former

6:43

American government officials, including

6:46

President Trump, to avenge

6:48

the 2020 U.S. assassination

6:50

of the terrorism mastermind

6:52

Qasem Soleimani. Threats

6:54

like this have been deemed credible

6:57

enough that several of these officials

6:59

have been under round-the-clock protection, including

7:02

former Defense Secretary Mark

7:04

Esper, former Secretary

7:06

of State Mike Pompeo,

7:08

Iran reportedly offered a hitman

7:10

a million dollars to kill him,

7:13

and John Bolton, the former

7:16

national security adviser. They

7:18

bargained. The price for me would be $300,000, which

7:20

I have to say I found

7:22

insulting. So what exactly was

7:25

the plot against you? The

7:27

Revolutionary Guard sought to procure

7:29

either my kidnapping or my

7:32

assassination, not directly

7:34

by a Revolutionary Guard's member, but by

7:36

seeking a hitman who would carry out

7:38

the job either in the U.S.

7:40

or abroad. The FBI

7:43

has an arrest warrant out

7:45

for this Iranian officer claiming

7:47

that he hired the hitman

7:50

online to travel to Washington,

7:52

corner Bolton in a garage, and

7:55

kill him. But

7:57

it turned out lucky for Bolton. The

8:00

assassin was an FBI informant.

8:03

This was not internet chatter. This

8:05

was a negotiation to murder an

8:07

American citizen, a former government official.

8:10

Is the threat against you ongoing?

8:13

We've got marked Secret Service cars that

8:15

say police, United States Secret Service outside

8:18

my home. We talked

8:20

to the FBI and several

8:22

intelligence agencies, and they

8:24

told us that Iran's efforts

8:26

are becoming more frequent and

8:28

bolder, and that they

8:31

often go after vocal Iranian activists

8:33

living abroad. The

8:35

idea behind assassination plot, behind

8:37

kidnapping plot, is to

8:40

keep you silent. It's a beautiful

8:42

family place. We met one of

8:44

their targets in Brooklyn. Masih

8:46

Alina Jad is a leader

8:48

in the women's revolt against

8:50

the law in Iran, mandating

8:52

they wear a headscarf or

8:55

hijab. Forced

8:57

to flee 14 years ago, she

8:59

settled here in Brooklyn, where

9:01

she encourages women back home

9:03

to send her videos of

9:05

them taking off the hijabs,

9:08

and she spreads those images

9:10

online to her 10 million

9:12

or so followers, fueling

9:14

the protest movement. So

9:17

the mullahs began to focus on

9:19

you. The FBI came

9:22

and told you there was a plot against

9:24

you. There were like six

9:26

or seven FBI agents. When

9:28

they came to my house, they

9:31

told me that your life is in

9:33

danger. I was like, okay, tell me something new, because

9:36

we Iranians are used to it. But

9:39

they actually said, nope, this time it's

9:41

different. They said that the

9:43

Iranian regime hired a private

9:45

investigator on US

9:47

soil to take photos of your

9:49

movement, your daily life, your routine.

9:52

And I was like, wow, so they're

9:55

here in New York, in Brooklyn.

9:57

The plot was to kidnap

10:00

you and take you

10:02

by speedboat to Venezuela? Hey,

10:05

it sounds like a scary movie to you.

10:07

No, it sounds implausible to me. You see,

10:10

it's a reality for us. And

10:13

a reality for the FBI that

10:15

says the plan was to get

10:17

her to Iran to stand trial.

10:19

It was the same for Jamsheed Sharma,

10:22

another Iranian dissident who lived in

10:24

Los Angeles for two decades and

10:27

created a website where people

10:29

in Iran could report human

10:32

rights abuses. In

10:35

2020, while he was changing planes in Dubai

10:37

on a business trip, his

10:39

family noticed his phone started

10:41

heading in the wrong direction.

10:44

His daughter, Giselle Sharma, soon

10:46

saw her dad pop up

10:48

on Iranian TV in a

10:50

courtroom looking petrified.

10:53

He's forced to confessions about crimes he did not

10:55

commit. The charge that they gave him

10:58

is corruption on Earth. That's why he

11:00

got the death sentence. Is it a

11:02

situation where he could actually be

11:04

executed? Oh, yes. Any

11:07

day. They want to hang him from a crane

11:09

in the middle of the city. The

11:11

original plot to kidnap Masih

11:14

was thwarted. But

11:16

according to the FBI, a

11:18

year later in 2022, Iran

11:20

paid this Azerbaijani, living outside

11:23

New York City, $30,000 to

11:26

buy a semi-automatic rifle

11:28

and kill her. He

11:31

lurked outside her home for a week. His

11:34

plan was to take advantage of

11:37

her friendliness to her neighbors. He

11:40

was actually following my

11:42

life. He knew that. I

11:45

was the one offering flowers to

11:47

strangers. You offered flowers to strangers?

11:49

Yeah. This is me.

11:52

So he received a text message from

11:54

the guy inside Iran saying that go

11:56

and knock the door and take her

11:58

to the backyard garden. If I

12:00

had opened the door, I would have

12:02

just given him a big smile and said, yes,

12:05

let's go to my garden. And then he

12:07

wanted to just kill me. Did

12:09

he actually knock on your door? Yes. Her

12:12

home security camera actually caught him

12:14

on her porch trying to get

12:16

in. Eventually, he

12:18

took off, but was pulled

12:20

over for running a stop sign. That's

12:23

when the police found this in his

12:25

car. He's been in

12:28

custody awaiting trial ever since.

12:31

But here's what's interesting. Neither

12:33

he nor two other men, the

12:35

prosecutors say were hired for the

12:38

job, were Iranian. Like

12:40

him, they were Eastern European. And

12:43

as is becoming a trademark of

12:45

Iran's shadow war, they were

12:48

criminals. They were all from

12:50

criminal syndicate. This is what the

12:52

Islamic Republic is really good at,

12:55

like using drug dealers,

12:57

using criminals to do

12:59

their dirty job on

13:02

the Western soil. Well, it may be

13:04

have deniability. Exactly. We didn't do it.

13:06

That's the point. So why

13:08

did they use proxies? To have

13:10

somebody who is not being tracked

13:12

by intelligence or security agencies for

13:14

this. Matt Jukes,

13:16

head of counterterrorism policing in

13:19

Britain, says this is not

13:21

just an American problem. In

13:23

the UK, they have foiled

13:26

15 Iranian kidnapping and assassination

13:28

attempts since last year. I

13:31

have been involved in national security policing

13:33

for over 20 years. What we've

13:35

seen in the last 18 months is

13:38

a real acceleration. We have

13:40

been told that a lot of these

13:42

criminal gangs hire other criminal gangs and

13:45

then maybe a third group. I think we're

13:47

always going to see this collaboration

13:49

between criminal organizations.

13:52

We know that this will not always be

13:54

a direct line from a

13:56

state organization to a threat to

13:58

a potential killer. This

14:01

recording was given to us by a

14:03

foreign intelligence agency. It

14:06

shows how Iran recruits criminals.

14:10

I received a call from the IRGC,

14:13

the Revolutionary Guard. This

14:15

is an Iranian smuggler from Ermia,

14:17

a town near the Turkish border.

14:20

He reveals to the foreign agents

14:22

that he was approached by Iran's

14:25

Revolutionary Guard with a deal. They'll

14:28

turn a blind eye to his

14:30

smuggling if he helps them.

14:35

Their request was that I find people who could work

14:37

for them. What kind of

14:39

work? Anything. Like catching someone

14:41

for us so they can be beaten up

14:43

or gotten rid of. This

14:45

surveillance video shows him recruiting

14:48

a fellow smuggler for the

14:50

task. The man

14:52

in white is Mansour Rasouli,

14:54

an alleged drug dealer. He

14:57

agreed to arrange assassinations throughout

14:59

Europe for the Iranian government

15:01

for money. But a

15:03

few weeks later, Rasouli was

15:06

kidnapped at night and interrogated

15:08

in a car, reportedly by

15:11

Israeli intelligence. They

15:14

extracted this cell phone confession

15:16

where Rasouli admits he was paid $150,000

15:18

up front and

15:23

promised a million dollars if he

15:25

killed three people for the Iranians.

15:29

One is an Israeli at the embassy in

15:31

Istanbul, Turkey. Another one

15:33

is an American general in Germany. And

15:37

one is a journalist in France. The

15:40

French target was identified as

15:43

philosopher Bernard Henri Lévi, a

15:46

vocal critic of the regime in Tehran.

15:49

The identity of the American general

15:51

remains a mystery. The

15:53

plot to kill the three was

15:55

prevented, but in recent

15:58

years, Iranian dissidents were... were

16:00

successfully kidnapped and smuggled to

16:02

Iran. Several were

16:05

executed. They've succeeded in

16:07

Europe. They haven't succeeded

16:09

in the United States, even

16:11

though we know there are targets. So

16:14

many American officials and

16:16

others are being targeted. Why

16:19

is it not a bigger issue? Look,

16:21

I think the targeting of American

16:23

citizens by a hostile foreign government

16:26

is very close to an act of war. What

16:29

would happen if they

16:31

succeeded in assassinating

16:34

someone like you, a well-known former

16:37

official? Well,

16:39

I wouldn't like to find out for

16:41

myself or for the country, but why

16:44

are we sitting here quietly talking about

16:46

this when they're, in effect,

16:49

saying they're going to commit acts

16:51

of war against American citizens on

16:53

American soil? Does the fact

16:55

that Iran feels

16:57

emboldened to come after our citizens,

16:59

does that mean we've lost our

17:02

deterrence? Well, I

17:04

think we have lost deterrence. And I

17:06

think this also goes to an unwillingness

17:08

on the part of the administration to

17:10

confront the ayatollahs in a

17:12

way that they understand. They

17:14

can challenge US government on US

17:16

soil without any punishment. Then

17:18

what's the reason to stop? Well, there are

17:20

sanctions against them. Sanction is not sufficient. Sanction

17:22

is not helping. What do you want us

17:25

to do, drop a bomb? No. Look,

17:28

when you negotiate with

17:30

the killers, you're empowering them. The

17:33

Biden administration didn't respond to our

17:36

request for an interview. The Islamic

17:38

Republic... When Masih Alina Jad was

17:40

called to testify before Congress

17:42

about Iran in September, she

17:45

said that unless the administration's

17:48

policy changes, her life

17:50

will continue to be in danger.

17:53

I believe that when I'm not

17:55

in the spotlight, one media

17:57

like you are not paying attention to me.

17:59

Finally, they're going to come after me. While

18:03

she now has the freedom to speak

18:05

her mind in America, she

18:07

does not have the freedom to live where

18:09

she wants. Masih

18:11

and her family have had to

18:13

go into hiding under FBI protection.

18:16

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18:19

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18:21

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18:23

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22:59

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It was to some degree

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23:07

was intended to make a

23:09

difference in that discussion about energy

23:11

in the future. After

23:13

Gordon repeated his net negative emissions

23:15

goal at an appearance at Harvard

23:18

last year, Wyoming's Republican party

23:20

passed a vote of no confidence

23:22

in him. But he

23:24

says heat from the right won't

23:26

deter him from pursuing what he

23:28

calls an all of the above

23:30

energy policy. Whatever

23:33

you're gonna do in energy, probably

23:35

you're gonna have something to do

23:37

in Wyoming. We have tremendous wind

23:39

resources, we have the largest reserves

23:41

of uranium, important for nuclear

23:43

energy, the largest coal producer,

23:45

we're number eight in oil, number nine

23:47

in natural gas, 83%

23:50

of our energy is exported. That

23:52

will soon include nuclear power from

23:54

a next generation reactor to be built

23:57

in Wyoming with a 500 million. investment

24:00

from Bill Gates. Huge

24:03

wind farms already dot Wyoming's landscape,

24:05

with the biggest one yet on

24:07

the way. Because

24:10

the wind blows basically 24

24:12

seven, 365 days a year. Bill

24:15

Miller is president of the power

24:17

company of Wyoming, which is beginning

24:19

to build what will be the

24:21

largest wind farm in the continental

24:23

United States, in the middle

24:25

of a geographic break in the Continental

24:28

Divide. All the winds which

24:30

blow from west to east, pretty

24:32

much are funneled through this part of the country. Miller

24:36

drove to the top of a place called

24:38

Choke Cherry Knob, to

24:41

give us a taste of the wind. So

24:43

when this is up and running, how

24:46

many turbines will be out here? Current

24:49

plan calls for 600 turbines. And

24:52

how much energy will that generate? They'll

24:54

generate around 12 million megawatt hours of

24:56

power. And that's

24:58

enough to power how many homes? A

25:00

million, million two. Wyoming

25:03

doesn't have anything close to that many

25:05

homes. It has the smallest population of

25:07

any of the 50 states. So

25:10

the plan is to build a new 800 mile

25:13

long transmission line to

25:16

send that power to California, which needs and

25:18

wants it. What's this gonna cost? The

25:21

wind farm will be something north of

25:23

$5 billion. The transmission line

25:25

will be something north of $3 billion

25:27

capital investment. That's a big

25:30

investment. Yes. The

25:32

project is bankrolled by billionaire Philip

25:34

Anschutz, who owns the company Bill

25:36

Miller runs and who first made

25:38

his fortune in oil. Society

25:42

has spoken. That's what this

25:44

country is going to go to, is renewable

25:46

energy. More importantly, it's a

25:48

project that contributes to the zero

25:51

carbon initiatives that we strongly believe

25:53

in. It's gonna happen. And

25:55

this is the best place for it to happen. At

26:01

this past summer's windy ground-breaking

26:03

ceremony for the transmission line,

26:05

Bill Miller was joined not

26:07

just by Republican Governor Mark Gordon... ...and we

26:09

have a great future ahead of us. ...but

26:12

also by two members of

26:14

President Biden's cabinet. The

26:18

way we've tried to navigate this is

26:21

to find something

26:24

for everyone. And I think that's...

26:26

Is that possible? Yeah, I think

26:28

it is. Honestly, I think if people are going

26:30

to embrace how we get to a

26:33

carbon-neutral, carbon-negative

26:35

future, it has to be

26:37

by saying, we're all going to be a little bit

26:39

better by embracing

26:42

innovation. If

26:46

a single picture can capture Wyoming's

26:48

energy past, present, and future, this

26:50

may be it. A

26:53

fully-loaded coal train passing in front

26:55

of a huge wind farm. Remember,

26:57

this state still produces more coal

27:00

than any other by far. The

27:03

likelihood that we will truly, as a world,

27:05

move away from fossil fuels is very

27:08

low. Holly Krutka runs the School

27:10

of Energy Resources at the University

27:12

of Wyoming. Before shifting

27:14

to academia, she worked for

27:16

Peabody, the largest coal company

27:18

in America. 82%

27:22

of our global energy consumption is

27:24

fossil fuels. It

27:26

has not changed. Because

27:29

of that stark fact, Krutka and her

27:31

colleagues are focused on taking

27:33

the CO2 out of fossil fuels like

27:36

coal before it reaches the atmosphere, with

27:40

a technology called carbon capture and

27:42

storage. There are carbon capture and

27:44

storage projects in America working right

27:46

now. There's just not enough. The

27:49

capture side, we're there. Hmm. Today. We

27:52

can do it now. Right now, yes. The

27:55

technology is there. But is it

27:57

economically feasible? cheaper

28:00

to do nothing than to add carbon

28:02

capture and storage. If you want to

28:04

reduce emissions, this is part of the

28:06

solution. We have to decide, is it

28:08

worth the cost? At

28:11

the huge Trifork coal-fired power

28:13

plant near Gillette, the University

28:15

of Wyoming is operating what

28:17

it calls the Integrated Test

28:19

Center. Some of

28:21

the flue gas that would otherwise

28:24

go up the smokestack is siphoned

28:26

off into labs like this one,

28:28

where the Japanese company Kawasaki is

28:30

testing methods for making carbon capture

28:33

more economical. Wells 10,000

28:36

feet deep have also been

28:38

drilled to show that captured

28:40

CO2 can be stored underground

28:42

forever. How big a

28:44

deal would it be to

28:47

find an affordable way

28:49

to capture carbon at

28:51

the point of admission,

28:54

say in power plants around the world?

28:57

It would be a game changer for

28:59

certain. You know there are a lot

29:02

of naysayers who say that this is a pipe

29:04

dream. It will never happen. What

29:07

do you say to them? How do you convince them? I

29:09

say we're trying it. Then I know people will say, well,

29:11

you're just trying to extend the life of the coal mines.

29:15

I am. But I'm also trying to

29:17

do that in a way that is going

29:19

to do more for

29:21

climate solutions than

29:23

simply standing up a whole bunch of wind farms

29:25

or standing up a whole bunch of solarists. With

29:28

his all of the above approach, Mark

29:30

Gordon is trying to put every kind

29:32

of energy project on a fast track,

29:36

including Bill Miller's huge wind farm. How

29:38

long did you think it was going

29:40

to take when you started? When

29:42

I originally started, I thought we could probably

29:45

get this entitled and under construction within

29:47

five years. And it's been 17? Why

29:51

so long? Primarily the

29:53

permitting process, the bureaucracy of the

29:55

federal government. You told me coming

29:58

up here that the process was kind of a... like

30:00

a nightmare. It was

30:02

difficult. Maybe

30:05

nightmares a little bit too strong, but it

30:07

was a very difficult process. So

30:10

how important is it to

30:12

reduce regulatory and permitting

30:15

barriers? I think it's massive. Permitting

30:18

reform, I think, is one of our biggest challenges

30:20

at a federal level. It is

30:22

something that's being embraced by both

30:24

sides. Both the

30:26

Biden administration and congressional Republicans

30:28

have endorsed the idea of

30:31

streamlining permitting for energy projects.

30:34

Actually doing it is another story. In

30:37

Wyoming, Governor Gordon has done what

30:39

he can. One thing

30:41

I can share is that it's a state that's

30:44

very welcoming to innovators in the energy space. Cully

30:47

Kavaness is co-founder of a company

30:49

called Crusoe Energy Systems. About

30:52

five years ago, it decided to tackle

30:54

the problem of flaring when gas produced

30:56

at oil wells is simply burned into

30:58

the atmosphere. If you could capture it

31:00

all, it would power about two-thirds of

31:03

Europe's electricity. It's a very large

31:05

amount of waste. And we're just burning it off. We're burning

31:07

it off because there's no pipeline there. Kavaness

31:10

and his colleagues came up with

31:12

the unconventional idea of putting a

31:14

small electricity-generating power plant right where

31:17

that gas was being flared and

31:19

wasted. All we do

31:21

is we tap into that gas line. We bring the

31:23

gas over to a power generation system,

31:25

and then that generates electricity. And

31:28

we take that electricity directly into our

31:30

on-site data center to power hundreds or

31:33

thousands of computers. And then

31:35

we network the computers to the outside world with

31:37

fiber or satellite internet to get

31:39

it off-site. So you take a data center

31:41

and just basically put it

31:43

on top of the wellhead. Exactly.

31:45

It's a modern data center in every way

31:48

when you're standing inside of it. And then

31:50

you step out the door and you're in

31:52

an oil field. Crusoe

31:54

Energy first used those electricity-gobbling

31:56

data centers to mine Bitcoin.

32:00

Now, most of that computer power

32:02

is being used by artificial intelligence

32:04

companies. The first place to let

32:06

them try this in 2018 was Wyoming. to

32:13

embrace automatically right off the bat before it's been done

32:15

before. Wyoming was, they invited us to come do it

32:17

for the first time here. We did

32:19

it at a small scale, we proved that it could work and

32:22

that helped us attract the funding and the

32:24

other projects that have helped us scale to

32:26

where we are today. How many

32:28

of these centers do you have up and running currently?

32:32

We're approaching 200 by the end

32:34

of the year. We'll have about 200 of

32:36

our modular data centers deployed throughout the United

32:38

States and now internationally. So

32:40

how do you assess your environmental impact? So

32:42

today we're operating at a scale of more

32:45

than 20 million cubic feet of gas per

32:47

day that would have otherwise been flared and

32:49

wasted. We're preventing that flaring. It's

32:51

on the order of several hundred thousand cars per

32:53

year being taken off the road in terms of

32:56

the avoided emissions impact. Are

32:59

you trying to send out a message

33:02

to the rest of the country and even the rest of the world? If

33:05

you have a renewable or

33:07

a climate friendly idea,

33:11

bring it here, bring it to Wyoming. Love to.

33:14

We want to be part of this solution.

33:17

There are some really remarkable things

33:20

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33:22

talking about what we shouldn't

33:24

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33:27

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33:29

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2024 summer concert season is

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upon us, and only one of the

35:51

women on tour this year has built

35:53

a global brand singing upside down. High

35:56

flying stunts are only part of her appeal.

35:58

Alicia Moore is known as much for her

36:01

party anthems as her powerhouse voice. And

36:03

if the name is unfamiliar, it's

36:05

because she's best known by her

36:07

one-word professional identity, Pink. And

36:10

as we first reported last fall,

36:12

she famously has no filter. Fans

36:14

who have followed Pink's 25-year career have

36:17

come to expect her to share

36:19

every detail of her sometimes troubled

36:21

story. Do I

36:23

have this right? You're willing to talk

36:26

about anything. Any question is fine.

36:28

There's no offense taken. I'm

36:31

open to all of it. A lot of people in your

36:33

world thrive on

36:35

protecting privacy. You're

36:38

an open book. Why? I guess I

36:40

look at it in a very specific way. If

36:42

I'm a mystery to you, how can I expect

36:44

you to connect with me? Just go,

36:46

baby. Yeah. Just

36:50

go, baby. A

36:52

Pink concert is part rock rager. Just

36:55

like fire. Fire. Part

37:01

Broadway spectacle. With

37:12

some tinker bells sprinkled in. She

37:18

belts out her hits while flipping and flying 100

37:20

feet in the air. And

37:22

she does it without lip syncing. When

37:27

she says she actually sings better

37:29

upside down, believe her. Now

37:38

44, when she looks out into the crowd,

37:40

she sees a lot more moms and dads.

37:43

She calls herself and her fans the

37:45

uncool kids and takes great pleasure in

37:48

taking on their haters. Whether

37:50

in her shows or on social media,

37:52

her message is, don't mess with them

37:54

or me. This

37:58

image that you've created. You've

38:00

got this famous snarl. Yeah,

38:03

right. I wonder if when

38:05

that started the message was

38:08

This is a woman that you don't want to

38:10

mess with. Well, this is a woman You don't

38:12

want to mess with is a true statement I

38:15

know what certain people think of when they look

38:17

at me down to the fact that

38:19

I'm muscular I'm outspoken and I have

38:22

short hair. I'm possibly a dude Definitely

38:25

a lesbian people sort of

38:27

put you in a box No

38:29

matter what you look like then my box happens to

38:32

be if you're outspoken

38:34

and you don't sort

38:37

of bend to societal norms,

38:39

then you're scary and dangerous

38:42

and the reality is The reality

38:44

is I'm the goofiest Most

38:48

fun loving person that will possibly kick

38:50

your ass if I have to These

38:55

days life is less get the

38:57

party started and more get these

38:59

kids to bed or seven-year-old son

39:01

Jameson And

39:04

13 year old daughter Willow are often

39:06

on tour with her writing their scooters

39:09

on stage during sound checks For

39:12

the hometown show in Philly Pink's

39:14

husband motocross star Carrie Hart was

39:16

there and so was her mom, Judy This

39:19

is our tour library Backstage

39:21

there's a library where the team swaps

39:24

books pink has a romantic

39:26

novel. She needs to return We

39:28

have a little you're signing sheet. You actually

39:30

have a sign. I wish I had that Thing

39:33

but we don't have that so I've been backstage

39:35

for other artists and some of the things

39:37

I've seen are Lot of

39:39

booze. Yeah, a lot of party cool. My dressing

39:41

room used to be like whiskey and cigarettes Then

39:44

it was ball pits and stuffed animals When

39:48

she's not on the road She's

39:50

home in Southern, California This

39:53

is where she's Alicia Moore a mohawk

39:55

wearing mom who baked sourdough and is

39:57

part of the PTA She's

40:01

either driving for school drop-off or

40:03

driving a forklift on her 25-acre

40:05

vineyard. She says

40:07

she's schooled herself on the science of

40:09

winemaking by studying late into the night

40:11

after her shows. So

40:15

do I have this correct? You don't make

40:17

pink rose? I do not make pink rose.

40:19

My gurneauche is, it looks like a white

40:22

wine. Occasionally it's a bit

40:24

peach, but... You drink it? I

40:26

drink a lot. Biggie

40:29

Smalls once said, never get high on your

40:31

own supply, but... You sure did. Yes, I

40:34

do. Make a lot of wine. Yeah. Home

40:36

is also where she makes music. This is

40:38

my music room. It's really great. Yeah. She's

40:41

a writer on most of her songs and

40:44

says no topic is off limits, not even

40:46

the ups and downs in her marriage. And

40:48

you taught yourself to play on this. Sorta,

40:50

kinda. I mean, I can play halves

40:53

of songs. One of my favorite songs just make you feel

40:55

my love. And I played this every

40:58

day during COVID. This

41:02

is a Bob Dylan song made most

41:04

recently famous by Adele. It's

41:06

one of my favorite songs. When

41:10

the rain is blowing in your

41:12

face And the

41:14

whole world is on

41:16

your case I

41:20

could offer you a

41:22

warm embrace To

41:24

make you feel my love So

41:28

I played that every day. Wow. Until I

41:30

was good enough to go on

41:32

stage and play an instrument. She

41:35

grew up singing opera and gospel

41:37

in Doylestown, Pennsylvania. But she

41:39

says tension at home made her desperate to

41:42

leave. She calls her relationship

41:44

with her father, Jim Moore, complicated.

41:46

He served in Vietnam and passed

41:48

away two years ago. As

41:50

a teen, arguments with her mother

41:52

were so bad, Pink says one

41:54

fight got physical and her mom

41:56

fell downstairs. She now calls that her

41:59

one regret in life. in life. You

42:01

said you were the kid that other moms

42:03

didn't want their kids to play with. Why?

42:06

I was a punk. I had a mouth. I

42:08

was... I had a chip on my shoulder. Basically, I grew

42:10

up in a house where every day my

42:13

parents were screaming at each other, throwing things,

42:15

hated each other. And then

42:18

I got into drugs. I was

42:20

selling drugs. And then I was kicked

42:22

out of the house. I dropped out of high school. That was off

42:24

the rails. What happened on Thanksgiving in

42:26

1995? Thanksgiving

42:29

of 1995, I was at a rave and I overdosed. I

42:37

was on... Oh

42:40

boy. Ecstasy, angel

42:43

dust, crystal, all kinds of things.

42:45

And then I was out, done.

42:48

Too much. You almost died? Yeah.

42:51

I remember having a... She says that was the

42:53

end of hard drugs for her, and weeks later

42:55

got her first record deal as the lead singer

42:57

in an R&B girl group. But

42:59

they didn't last long. So

43:02

when you're starting out, the industry sort

43:04

of seems like they've got you going

43:06

down a path. They paint you with

43:08

an R&B brush? Yes, I

43:10

signed to LeFace Records. We were the

43:12

token white girls on a black label.

43:15

I was told to take etiquette classes very early

43:17

on. They wanted me to

43:19

learn how to wear dresses and use the right fork.

43:21

How'd that work out? I went

43:23

once, but it didn't work.

43:26

What did they not like? I think they

43:28

were trying to turn me into something that I didn't want to

43:30

be. Image is everything in this business. Using

43:33

her teenage nickname, Pink, she went

43:35

solo and her first album was

43:38

an R&B double platinum success. She

43:42

then broadened her sound to include rock and pop.

43:49

And not so subtly named her

43:51

next album, Misunderstood. It

43:59

was a career. defining hit, selling 15

44:02

million copies around the world. You'd

44:15

said in the past it felt like

44:17

you were never winning the popularity contest

44:19

among your peers. What do you mean

44:21

by that? We've sold three million

44:23

tickets in the last six months,

44:26

but you don't really hear about it unless

44:29

you went. So at the end

44:31

of the day, do I give a shit who talks about

44:33

me? As long as the

44:35

mom and the daughter, or

44:38

the dad who's in the pink t-shirt, as

44:41

well as his daughter and her three friends had

44:43

a fantastic time, or the gay

44:46

couple that came together and felt super safe

44:48

at my show because no one

44:50

heckled them. That's

44:53

what really matters. Can't

44:55

help when your stomach sinks

44:58

in. And then there's this.

45:01

Hold my hand, hold your breath. We

45:03

wanted to know how she does it, singing

45:06

upside down as an asthmatic no

45:08

less. Well, it took

45:10

a lot of childhood gymnastics classes

45:12

and tortured training sessions with her

45:14

aerialist coach, Drea Weber. Okay, tighten

45:17

up your stomach. Okay, ready? Be

45:19

nice. Now sink. Come

45:22

on. Come

45:25

on. Come

45:30

on. I'm

45:39

not just a singer, I'm a gymnast.

45:41

I can do all kinds of things.

45:43

I'm physical, this body, like the muscles

45:45

that scare people, it's my power, right?

45:48

It's like I

45:50

don't eat well to look good. I eat well

45:53

to go far, fast, and hard. At

45:57

5'3", she is all muscle and make no

45:59

mistake. as tough as she looks.

46:09

I realized that the machete that

46:11

I've always carried, this metaphorical machete that I've always

46:13

carried that made me a really difficult kid is

46:15

what makes me really good at what I did

46:17

today. And it makes me a

46:19

survivor. Do you feel like you needed

46:21

that hard edge, that machete to

46:24

climb as far as you've climbed in

46:26

this business particularly? Absolutely. I

46:28

never got a record deal because I was cute. I

46:31

got a record deal because I was fiery, I had a

46:33

lot to say and I had a voice. So

46:36

I'm relieved I don't have to fall back on

46:38

sort of conventional beauty

46:40

and that

46:43

doesn't have to be my thing. And I don't have to keep

46:45

that up either as I age. I don't have to be

46:47

that. I can be all of this. She

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won't need a plan B anytime soon, but

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as she told us at midnight over a glass of wine in

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her dressing room in Philadelphia, she

46:58

is planning the next chapter. I

47:00

know what I do. It's what

47:02

any self-respecting acrobatic, sequin-loving

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entertainer would do, a Las

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Vegas residency. I don't

47:10

want you to die.

47:13

I would like to have the best show that Vegas

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has ever seen, and I think that I can. For

47:19

a performer like me to have a stage

47:21

that doesn't have to travel, oh

47:23

my God. You

47:26

can do so much. So all these

47:28

years in, what's the hardest part about your job now?

47:31

I guess that I keep demanding

47:33

more and more and more and more

47:36

from myself, physically,

47:38

emotionally, spiritually, vocally.

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I want to raise the

47:43

bar all the time, and I'm sort

47:45

of going against time, right? How

47:47

do you keep out doing that? I

47:50

like going against societal norms.

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When they say a woman

47:54

has to slow down, become

47:57

smaller, take up less space. Calm

48:01

down. No,

48:03

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