0:31

There are misconceptions about Vietnam,

0:33

People just think of water buffaloes, rice

0:35

paddies and lanterns if you live in the big

0:37

city, like Saigon, it's just like any other

0:39

big city. there's buildings, there's transport,

0:41

there's cars, there's bikes, there's food, there's

0:43

cocktails, there's beer. There's all the same

0:45

things as in any other city, but Saigon

0:48

is really special, you're listening to this and you're

0:50

thinking like this is absolutely pointless

0:52

Why am I telling you this the reason is this is

0:54

a massive difference that's changed

0:56

in Saigon. Hey,

1:13

thank you for listening to this episode

1:15

of a Vietnam podcast. I'm your host,

1:17

Niall Mackay. I've been living in Vietnam

1:19

now for eight years. I first came

1:21

here for a vacation and absolutely

1:24

fell in love with the place. Came back, decided

1:26

to stay for a year and that turned into eight

1:29

and it's probably going to be ten now. I

1:31

started this podcast in 2019

1:33

just as a hobby, and it's now my

1:35

full-time job to make podcasts for

1:37

other people. This podcast, a VM

1:40

podcast, it was on a break for a couple

1:42

of years, mostly because I was so

1:44

busy making podcasts for other people. I couldn't

1:46

put the same time and energy into it. but

1:49

if I'm honest, I'd lost the passion for it. I'd

1:51

lost the motivation. I was booking guests

1:53

at the last minute. I wasn't trying anything

1:55

new, and I felt like I was repeating myself

1:57

all the time. So it took

1:59

a long time to do because I

2:02

mostly kept doing it because of you, because

2:04

you were listening, you were watching,

2:06

and I didn't want to stop it. But

2:09

I had to do it in the end, and I'm glad I did help

2:11

me recharge my batteries. We now work with over

2:13

40 podcasts across the world to help

2:15

them make the best podcast possible. if

2:17

you ever want to help with your podcast, then please reach out

2:20

to me. But I decided this year,

2:22

as I could see that people were still listening

2:24

to the podcast, I decided, let's bring it back.

2:26

had a little bit more time on my hands. And

2:29

since I've started recording new episodes, I

2:31

really have got that passion and excitement back

2:33

to talk to people about Vietnam and about

2:35

Saigon. And it's been amazing to see

2:37

so many other podcasts over the years come

2:40

about all about Vietnam as well. And there's

2:42

obviously a massive interest out there about

2:44

that as well. So the passion

2:46

has come back so much, I've decided to do something

2:49

that I had never done before until recently,

2:51

and that's make episodes all by myself

2:54

with no guests whatsoever, just

2:56

me telling you about my

2:58

life in Saigon, I

3:00

realized that There are misconceptions

3:02

about Vietnam, especially if you don't

3:04

live here. People just think of water buffaloes,

3:07

rice paddies and lanterns and pho

3:10

And while some of that is true, if you live

3:12

in the big city like me, like Saigon, it's

3:14

just like any other big city. There's rivers,

3:16

there's buildings, there's transport, there's cars,

3:18

there's bikes, there's food, there's cocktails, there's

3:20

beer. There's all the same things

3:23

as in any other city, but Saigon is

3:25

really special, and there is a reason why

3:27

there are so many expats that have

3:29

been here for a long time that absolutely love it, like

3:31

me, that can't leave. I

3:34

decided to do some solo episodes to share

3:36

with you some of my favorite things to

3:38

do in Saigon because I realized

3:41

they do have some inside knowledge, some inside

3:43

tips. And so I wanted to share them with you, whether

3:45

you live here or not, and you maybe

3:47

didn't know about them or you needed a reminder,

3:49

or you completely disagree with what I'm saying,

3:51

or you're thinking of coming out to Vietnam.

3:53

You found this podcast, you wanted to learn more about

3:56

Vietnam and hopefully help you with

3:58

where you want to go. So I've already covered

4:00

with you recently my favorite craft beer bars

4:03

And my favorite places to go for happy

4:05

hour Some of those that were on the happier

4:07

list are going to be on this list as well I'm sorry

4:10

about that. But today I want to share with you

4:12

my favorite cocktail bars in

4:14

Saigon. Now, I know

4:16

that probably makes me sound no does

4:19

it I was going to say it makes me sound like a pretentious

4:21

wanker I feel like Cocktail

4:23

culture has really started worldwide

4:25

in the last few years. I know when I was growing up, like,

4:27

a cocktail was a vodka and coke. Um,

4:30

then if you were really fancy, you had a gin and tonic.

4:32

Like, that was as highbrow as cocktails

4:34

got. And then something happened in the last five

4:36

years where we've all gone cocktail

4:39

crazy. And it's pretty cool, like,

4:41

I feel like an adult. I'm like, I'm an adult. I can

4:43

drink a Negroni and I appreciate it and I

4:45

like it. But so I do

4:47

go out for cocktails quite often these days. Actually,

4:50

probably more than beer, I would say. It's

4:52

something really enjoyable to do, But it's

4:54

nice to go out and appreciate, as we

4:57

talked about before, the Whiskey Sour 86

4:59

proof or a good Negroni. So

5:01

I'm going to share with you in no particular order

5:04

where are my favorite places to go

5:06

for a cocktail in Saigon but

5:08

there are many, many more and I haven't been

5:10

to all of them. I'm pretty bad. I've got my favorites

5:12

and I'm probably going to keep going back to them again and

5:14

again and again. So it's not an extensive

5:17

list and there's probably loads that

5:19

I have not covered. So if you

5:21

have any ideas for me to go to, then

5:23

please let me know if they have a happy hour, even

5:26

better. And if you want me to talk

5:28

about them on a future podcast, let me know as well. Send

5:30

me a message. The link is in the show notes. So

5:32

let's get started. So

5:36

I have 11 locations to share

5:38

with you today and they are in no particular

5:40

order. If you want to go back and listen to

5:43

the episode I did about the best happy hours

5:45

in Saigon, then you'll hear me talk extensively

5:47

about 86 proof. It's

5:49

On Duong Thuy in Thao Dien, which

5:52

is the expat neighborhood, but it's that

5:55

term expat. Most people think

5:57

of a Western person in my opinion, but

5:59

it's actually probably more Korean expats

6:01

there. Lots of Japanese, lots of Indian expats. And

6:04

that area has really, really

6:06

changed since COVID. And it's more

6:08

and more of the Vietnamese population

6:10

have opened up businesses there. There's

6:13

more and more Vietnamese people coming in. And

6:15

why not? Because we're in Vietnam. So it

6:17

is traditionally was known as the French area

6:19

or like, yeah, little France, I think it was called

6:21

for a while. It's known as the expat

6:24

neighborhood, but it's really, really not.

6:26

And there's so much more to it than that, but

6:28

there are a lot of cool bars and

6:30

cool coffee spots, cool brunch places. And

6:33

one of my favorite cocktail places to go to is

6:35

86 Proof. So go check it out. I mentioned

6:37

it in the previous episode, really good happy hour,

6:39

but go at any time. Really cool vibe,

6:42

nice atmosphere and the cocktails are

6:44

amazing. Number

6:47

two, which I mentioned in the happy hour episode,

6:49

but go at any time because it's a really

6:51

cool atmosphere is Leila.

6:54

What is really cool about this place? This

6:56

is one of the reasons why I and I think lots

6:58

of people love Saigon is

7:00

the juxtaposition. I use that word a lot.

7:02

You see in the buildings, you'll see this brand

7:04

new building like the Texco Tower and

7:06

then right next to it you'll see a tin

7:09

hut. Now, again, I don't, I hate

7:11

to say that because maybe the person in the tin hut

7:13

might be impoverished, really poor.

7:15

You know what I'm saying, this, the juxtaposition in Saigon

7:18

is amazing. And the entrance to Layla sums

7:20

that up. So, you walk in, You

7:23

have to go up these like old stairs

7:25

that have probably been there from the 60s. If

7:27

you didn't know where you were going, you would think, where

7:29

the hell am I? If you didn't know that Saigon

7:32

was one of the safest places in the world, you might

7:34

be a bit sketched out. You may, you might think I'm about

7:36

to get my organs harvested, but Don't

7:38

worry, just follow the stairs up, you walk

7:40

along a long hallway, and then you're going

7:42

to open a door into a really modern,

7:45

really nice looking, uh, cocktail

7:47

bar. Go

8:39

in, get the Salty Caramel Espresso, get

8:41

a table by the window that overlooks the street,

8:43

do some people watching. Just go in

8:46

and enjoy yourself, have a really good time. They've got

8:48

an amazing cocktail menu, and the food's really

8:50

good as well, so go check out Layla. Ahem. And

8:54

number three, I think is owned

8:56

by the same person. Somebody

9:00

can tell me that, but it's Summer Experiment

9:02

and that's pretty new on the scene as well.

9:04

I've only been there a couple of times and I really

9:06

need my wife next to me right now because Adri

9:08

can remember way more about this place. I

9:10

can't, my memory is so bad, but I do know

9:13

it's a really cool place. So make sure you go check

9:15

out Summer Experiment. This is the worst podcast

9:17

ever that I'm telling you, recommending you to go to

9:19

cocktail bar that I can't even remember

9:22

much about it, but. I do remember

9:24

it was really cool, and I do remember it was from the same

9:26

people that did Layla, and if it's done by the

9:28

people that did Layla, it means that it's good. So

9:30

trust me, go check out Summer Experiment.

9:35

Now, number four on my list, I have good

9:37

memories of this place, I do remember it. It's called

9:40

Stirr. Now, I know, Scottish

9:42

accent, you might be like, what the hell did he just say?

9:44

S T I R, Stirr.

9:47

One of the things that I love about

9:49

this place is, it's, it's Like

9:51

a hidden cocktail bar. So just

9:54

as I was talking about the juxtaposition of walking

9:56

into Layla This

9:58

place is right behind Bintan

10:00

Market, so if you've been to Bintan Market, you'll

10:02

know the little hem, the little laneway

10:04

that I'm talking about that's filled with all

10:07

the nail salons. You can sit there

10:09

and just get your nails done, I guess. I've never had it done

10:11

there, but there's just this little hem that

10:13

just smells of nail polish. And

10:15

you have to walk through there, and then if you want some good

10:17

food, there's Bep Me In There, which we can talk about

10:20

that in another episode. But then, if

10:22

you go left Then left

10:24

up these little stairs that you're probably thinking,

10:26

why am I walking up here? I'm about to walk into somebody's

10:28

house. There's a doorway and that

10:30

is store. And then you walk in

10:33

and it's like wooden panelings, leather

10:35

seats, really small, low ceiling.

10:37

The bartenders are all wearing like waistcoats.

10:39

And if you walk, if you go all the way up to the window, you

10:42

can actually then look out and look over the

10:44

street, which is always fun to do in Saigon. And

10:46

they make amazing drinks as well. And

10:49

I should have put them on my list, but they have an amazing

10:51

happy hour as well. So it's just a really

10:53

cool place, really relaxed, really nice.

10:55

It's really nice for a date night. If you're taking your wife

10:57

out or your partner out for a date, then

11:00

go out and check out store before you head out

11:02

for dinner. Number

11:05

five on my list. I mentioned this guy

11:07

in the episode about craft beer

11:09

because he's behind Brick and Barrel and

11:11

I completely butchered his name and I'm still going to butcher

11:13

his name. So I'm just going to call him by his first name, but it's Tyler

11:16

and it's Lost and Found. They've just

11:18

been nominated for the Vietnam, uh,

11:21

Awards, sorry, they've just been nominated for the Saigon

11:23

Awards for Best Cocktail Bar. Uh,

11:25

I haven't seen the results of that yet, but

11:28

that is how good Lost and Found is.

11:30

And again, really, all of these places,

11:32

what makes them so cool, what makes Saigon so

11:34

cool is their location. They're

11:36

just, again, don't know the name of the street,

11:38

I need to learn street names, but it's just, just

11:40

near downtown D1, and you go

11:43

down, again, look in the notes, I will put the

11:45

address in the notes, you go down

11:47

this Kinda a hem kinda

11:49

street, nondescript,

11:51

bunch of old buildings, a couple of cafes,

11:53

and if you were walking down there even during

11:55

the day or at night, you're probably thinking, where the

11:57

hell am I? Like, I can't. There's no way that this

11:59

bar is here. You then have to go up some

12:02

old stairs, which again, it's just this really cool

12:04

vibe. Walk down a hallway. And

12:06

then you'll find the door for Lost and Found.

12:08

Really small bar, but really great staff

12:11

and they make unbelievable drinks. Tyler

12:13

is a cocktail master. He makes

12:15

cocktails for bars and people

12:17

all over the, all over the city. He gets hired

12:20

to go and make cocktails. He

12:22

really knows what he's doing. He's trained his team up well.

12:24

So it's really small, really cozy. The staff

12:26

are amazing. You can also go as a group because

12:28

they have stairs that take you up to like a mezzanine

12:30

floor. That was the last time I was there. We were with

12:33

a big group. And it's just

12:35

that really cool Saigon feel that you

12:37

think that with the stairs up to the

12:39

mezzanine floor You're kind of like I think in

12:41

most other countries this probably wouldn't pass health

12:44

and safety and it's probably not allowed But meh, it's

12:46

fun and it's cool and it is a really good atmosphere

12:49

So make sure you check out Lost and Found and ask

12:51

for Tyler. He'll be the guy covered

12:53

in tattoos if he's there Number

12:57

six on my list, again mentioned it in

12:59

the happy hour episode, it's owned by

13:01

the same people behind 86proof, it's a

13:03

few doors down, it's called Mami, that's

13:05

Anzuan Tui in Taodian,

13:08

they have a really good happy hour that goes till 8pm.

13:10

But what is really cool about it, as I mentioned

13:12

in the last episode, is before

13:15

it opened it was an old Hot

13:17

dog place called Valhalla and

13:19

there's a tailor underneath and I'm pretty

13:21

sure above it. It was just Storeroom

13:24

for the tailor or somebody's storeroom anyway I remember

13:26

seeing boxes in the window and then all of

13:28

a sudden there was a cocktail bar there

13:30

and just Really cool. The bottom

13:33

bit is open to the street. So it's again really

13:35

cool. One of the favorite, one of my favorite things, one of my

13:37

wife and I's favorite things to do in Saigon is

13:39

just people watch, hang out.

14:10

we decided to come to Mami Cocktails, that

14:12

I've just probably talked about on the video. You're now

14:14

seeing this bit that I've added in.

14:16

I got the Oi Oi, which I'm gonna not

14:18

pick it up right now, because I'll end up dropping it.

14:21

It's got Lady Trieu Gin in it,

14:23

citrus, cardamom,

14:26

And some Lillet blanc in there as well.

14:28

Adrie who's manning the camera. She

14:30

got something with jalapenos in it 'cause she's a spicy

14:33

Mexican and loves spicy drinks. So

14:35

it's got Jose Cuervo, Cucumber.

14:38

You love cucumber. And jalapeno we're

14:41

in this cool spot. Xuan Thuy. We

14:43

get to watch all the crazy traffic go by and get

14:46

to people watch, as I've probably talked about. And

14:48

Biscuit gets to relax as well, because she loves it. So,

14:51

cheers. Thanks, Mami,

14:57

Number seven on the list is is I think

15:00

the newest addition to the cocktail

15:02

bars in Saigon, but the things

15:04

change so quickly here in so many places open

15:06

up. It's probably not by the time that this episode

15:09

goes out, but it's called Junka. I've

15:11

only been there once. And again,

17:01

it's got a dance floor. It's like a nighttime place.

17:04

We were having a bit of a boogie. It seems

17:06

to be more of a night time place, when we were there anyway,

17:08

we were there a bit later at night, had a dance floor,

17:10

there was a big party in, there was a really good atmosphere,

17:13

everyone was having a good time, the entrance

17:15

is on the ground floor, Floor, you probably wouldn't even know

17:17

it was there if you were walking by. It's on the first floor.

17:20

Go in the entrance, upper a flight of stairs, and

17:22

it opens up into this really big cocktail bar,

17:24

massive wraparound bar. I only had

17:26

one drink there, but um, as I said, it's just brand

17:28

new. It's really nice. Make sure you go check

17:31

it out. Number

17:33

eight on my list was mentioned again in

17:35

the happy hour episode. It's called The Company,

17:38

which is on Fvi Chan in

17:40

Bintan. Which is one of the, I think

17:42

it was voted one of the coolest suburbs in the

17:44

world, if I remember correctly. I really should

17:46

do some resets before these podcasts, shouldn't I?

17:48

But it takes too much time. Go check

17:50

out the company just on Fan Viet

17:53

Chan, which is like little Japan town as well.

17:55

There's loads of good food there that you can check out

17:57

too, but they have a really good happy hour till nine

17:59

o'clock. It's a small bar downstairs.

18:01

There's I think just six seats and then there's

18:04

more seating upstairs, which I haven't been to yet.

18:06

but it's, it's that small little cozy

18:08

atmosphere, low roof that just makes it

18:10

like a really nice cool place to hang out. It's got a nice

18:12

vibe and the cocktails are amazing as well.

18:15

So check out the company on Fan Viet Chan.

18:19

No, number nine, 10 and 11.

18:22

You could easily do a pub crawl with

18:24

these three, or a cocktail crawl. They're

18:26

all on MacD Boy, right next to Malt,

18:28

which I talked about in previous episodes. And

18:31

they're all very different, but all really good.

18:33

So number nine is Firkin,

18:35

number 10 is Lady Chew, and

18:37

number 11 is Racha Room. So,

18:40

number nine. Lady Chu.

18:42

It's a type of gin that's made here in

18:44

Vietnam, and it's become really popular,

18:46

really big in a short amount of time. And

18:49

so they sell a whole bunch of different drinks

18:51

using the different Lady Chu, and

18:53

I'm saying that again completely wrong. I'm

18:55

so sorry, but they make loads of different drinks

18:57

using the Lady Chu gin. There's

19:00

different flavours of the gin as well, and

19:02

so there's just so many different things

19:04

that they can do more than just a gin and tonic.

19:06

And there is a happy hour there as well. I

19:09

didn't include them in my happy hour episode.

19:11

I can't remember what it is, but it is probably

19:13

4 7 I'm going to guess. I'll put it in the notes

19:15

so you can get that. So go have a gin and

19:17

tonic or a gin drink at Lady Chew.

19:20

And then go to Firkin, which

19:22

is, as a Scotsman, one

19:24

of my favourites. So they have

19:26

a massive, massive whiskey list

19:29

on there. Um, they have cheap ones

19:31

that people like me can afford. They have expensive ones

19:33

that people like you can maybe afford.

19:35

But they've got a massive, massive list on there.

19:38

Really long bar. This is

19:40

everything I'm telling you. I know all of these sound

19:42

similar. I know I'm terrible with adjectives and

19:44

describing these bars. But, What

19:47

the point I'm trying to make is what I mentioned in the beginning

19:49

is people have an opinion of Saigon

19:51

and of Vietnam and they think of water buffaloes

19:53

and rice paddies. I've done previous

19:56

interviews where people have talked about

19:58

their families back home think that

20:00

they live in like a thatch hut. The

20:03

opinion of Vietnam is so different. An

20:06

opinion of Saigon is so different to the reality

20:08

here. In the eight years I've been here, I've seen it

20:10

change dramatically. I know people who've been here

20:12

for 10, 12 years. 10 or 12 years

20:14

ago, uh, If you could get a Heineken,

20:17

you were over the moon because it was the

20:19

only type of beer that you could get. The

20:21

couple of Western places that maybe sold pizzas

20:24

and burgers were like pretty bad because they couldn't

20:26

get the ingredients. you just had to eat Vietnamese

20:28

food all the time, which that's fine. Vietnamese

20:30

food is amazing, but people like myself,

20:33

we're not from Vietnam. It's difficult to eat that

20:35

for breakfast, lunch and dinner. You

20:38

might want a bit of variety, right? So 10 years ago,

20:40

12 years ago, eight years ago.

20:42

There weren't many options. And

20:44

when it comes to cocktail bars, again,

20:47

it would have been like when I was a kid. If you got a vodka

20:49

and coke or a gin and tonic, that would probably

20:52

be, probably be almost the height

20:54

of getting a cocktail. I know there was hotels

20:56

like The Rex, which have been there forever. I

20:59

think if you wanted to get a cocktail, which

21:01

would be like a bloody tequila sunrise

21:03

or something like that, you'd have to go to a hotel.

21:05

You're going to pay over the odds. It's not

21:08

made with any, you know, skill.

21:11

That's what I'm trying to make the point with this episode

21:13

is I've only listed off like 11 cocktail

21:15

bars And there's probably about another hundred

21:17

that I don't know about and we're

21:20

if you're listening to this from back home Wherever

21:22

home is if you're listening to this from the West and

21:25

you're thinking like this is absolutely pointless

21:27

Why am I telling you this the reason is

21:29

this is a massive difference that's changed

21:31

in Saigon And it's not all pho

21:34

and it's not all iced coffee, which are amazing

21:37

There are so many more things to do here. So

21:39

if you are visiting again,

21:42

you are going to want to do all those traditional

21:44

things. But if it comes to the evening and you start to think,

21:46

Hmm, I want to go out for a nice cocktail.

21:49

Go out and check out these places. Like I mentioned, Lady

21:51

Chiu is a gin that's made here

21:53

in Vietnam. So if you do want to still make

21:55

sure that you're doing something Vietnamese, go check

21:57

out one of those places. A lot of these people

21:59

are owned by Vietnamese people or Vietcube

22:02

people, so you are still supporting the local

22:04

economy. The staff are

22:06

definitely Vietnamese. And as I mentioned, they're really

22:09

skilled at what they do. Um,

22:11

it's amazing to see what they can do.

22:13

So go check out these places, go support them.

22:15

I feel like as a tourist, if you come to Saigon,

22:17

there really isn't that much, there's

22:20

not a lot of obvious things to do

22:22

in the evening. But yeah, I'll see But the reason I want to

22:24

share this with you is if you do want to go and check out one

22:27

of those places, then that's what I would

22:29

recommend. And a lot of these places are in and around

22:31

D1. District 2, we did

22:33

an episode with Vince when we talked

22:35

about how, how District

22:37

2 is becoming more of a tourist destination.

22:40

It's, as I said, known as an expat area,

22:43

but I think more and more tourists are venturing

22:45

out there. It's only like 20, 30 minutes outside

22:47

the city. And then also, as I mentioned,

22:49

the company. on Fan Viet Chan

22:51

in the Binh Tan region, that's like

22:54

Binh Tan district. It's

22:56

a really cool spot. It's one of, I definitely

22:58

think it got voted one of the coolest neighborhoods

23:00

in, in the whole world. Um,

23:03

and the Fan Viet Chan street, there's so many

23:05

good things to do there. There's a rabbit hole Irish sports

23:07

bar. There's Muteki, which is really

23:09

good for Japanese food. You've got Lubu.

23:12

Um, and then obviously,

23:14

as I mentioned the company as well, but there's so much more

23:16

to it. So make sure you check out. uh,

23:18

Fan Viet Chan area if you are a tourist. If

23:21

you have any suggestions for

23:23

something that I've not covered, if you want me to do a whole other

23:25

episode on the other 100 places, then

23:27

please send me a message. If you're a bar

23:30

owner and you want to treat me to

23:32

a whole selection of free drinks, I will, I

23:34

will do that. Like I know it's gonna, it sounds really difficult.

23:36

It's not something I would normally agree to, but for the

23:38

podcast, I will agree to come out and

23:41

try all of your cocktails and then do an episode

23:43

about it. Like my, my morals are that low.

23:46

I will do an episode for cocktails. Don't

23:48

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23:57

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24:01

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