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so then Turam, who does the transcripts, he's

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like, uh, what? You

1:02

said 500, and I'm like, yeah, I forgot to tell everybody.

1:04

But anyway, yeah, a couple days ago, I went back and

1:06

looked, took all the data for all

1:08

the old videos, and we as a

1:10

team, prior to even Abzy or

1:13

Johnny coming, but Silver and myself, GoBurns,

1:16

Reg, in the entire time we've been

1:18

doing it, 50 entire podcasts have, you

1:20

know, have disappeared. Like over

1:22

the time, you know, been a bad recording or, yeah.

1:24

Or on Twitch, and it could be the best. Sounds

1:26

almost conservative. Yeah, I thought it was. I

1:28

actually thought, you know, in my brain, I

1:31

felt like we had like 200. I think

1:33

that's because the negative ones are like the

1:35

disasters stand out so much more. Right, the

1:37

ones you remember over time. Yeah. So, but

1:39

I want to say thank you to many

1:41

of you who've been here since day one.

1:43

In fact, I had a couple

1:45

people DMing me saying that some had

1:48

left and come back. Some have been watching us for the

1:50

entire time, and I just want to say how much I

1:52

appreciate it. I appreciate you guys sticking with us through the

1:54

good times and the bad. Sometimes we have

1:56

some issues with tech, but we usually get it

1:58

figured out. week. Speaking

2:00

of tech, we're gonna be talking about Final Fantasy

2:02

7 reviews, Pacific Drive, tech

2:04

changes in the industry, a bunch of things occurred

2:07

in the industry which are really interesting. Xbox games

2:09

are now playable on other systems. Some of them,

2:11

some of the games, which is a, that's

2:14

sort of a moment in history. Like that's a

2:16

weird day to wake up and be like, yeah

2:18

that Xbox game is playable here. So it feels

2:20

the same way when Sony put out their first

2:23

PC game and I was just like, finally, it's

2:25

finally happening, it's happening! Jazz

2:28

hands. And we'll talk about their games

2:30

that they've been playing and all that. I want

2:32

to say thanks to everybody, thanks for the Super

2:34

Chats, thanks for the new subscribers and the new

2:36

patrons and YouTube members. It has been a massive

2:39

jump which has been awesome to see.

2:41

There's been a huge influx of people

2:43

into the, yesterday's chat, I think

2:45

we had seven brand new people. Somebody said my screen

2:47

is off, I'll fix it in a second. Which

2:50

has been awesome. I don't know why our screen is

2:52

off either, that's weird, it just switched. So

2:55

we'll start with Abzi while I fix the screen.

2:57

What have you been playing Abzi? What

3:00

have you been enjoying? Same shit,

3:02

still I'm at the very,

3:04

the last chapter of Yakuza. Just

3:08

you know, wrapping some stuff up. Just so I'm at like

3:10

115 hours in. I think, I think five more

3:14

hours or so until I beat the game. Just

3:17

in time for Final Fantasy and

3:20

since we last talked on Wednesday,

3:22

I've played Pacific Drive which

3:25

is a great game, I think. I think

3:27

it's giving me exactly what I wanted out of a

3:30

game like that. And

3:33

I played some last epoch too.

3:35

Give me the run down on

3:38

last epoch real quick. So

3:41

it's not Diablo, but

3:43

it is an ARPG. It's an ARPG and

3:46

then what's the specialness of it for

3:48

you? The specialness of it for me, like

3:50

the biggest, biggest,

3:52

great thing about this game is that

3:55

the skill system and the upgrade system,

3:57

like progression in the game is very.

4:00

Very deep yet not convoluted so you can

4:02

easily theory craft in the game and make

4:04

like a good build without consulting a bunch

4:06

of Guides and stuff like that and then

4:08

they set it out in a very like

4:10

tent like very easily digestible way The

4:13

skills aren't just like plus one to damage

4:15

You'll obviously you'll get some of those like

4:17

my new sh like, you know

4:19

as fire damage as necrotic damage Whatever but like

4:21

when you when you when you go into the

4:23

skill tree and stuff You see like you

4:26

see like nodes that just you

4:28

know affect your gameplay in a certain way and you're like,

4:30

hey I want to try to go for that and that

4:32

sounds like fun What's also really

4:34

cool is that every single skill you have like every

4:37

single ability you have has its own massive skill tree

4:39

So you could like go in there and modify a

4:41

bunch of skills and stuff and it also has a

4:43

pretty neat for like weapon

4:46

slash like armor crafting system they

4:49

just give you a lot to work with

4:51

and and a lot of freedom to kind

4:54

of You know

4:56

customize your character and this

4:58

is a free-to-play game No,

5:00

it's a pay to like own pay

5:03

to own game. You can play offline

5:05

play online and Yeah,

5:08

there's no I don't see any microtransactions of a

5:11

as of yet Unlike a

5:13

battle exile. Yeah, I'm like path of exile and

5:15

stuff I'm already seeing like really good looking armor

5:17

and stuff you can wear So I don't I

5:19

don't think it's the case where it's like you're

5:21

just gonna be looking like shit until you like

5:24

buy something in What

5:26

do you think's gonna happen with the micros? You think there'll be

5:28

a store or is there no store at all? There is a

5:30

cosmetic store. Oh, there's one. Yeah, I

5:32

didn't see it. It's just I guess it's like

5:34

very out of the way Cuz it might be

5:36

yeah, let's be out of your like no menu

5:39

and you have to go in like it's not

5:41

in your face Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never

5:43

I don't even know where to where to find

5:45

or anything. No, I don't know That's

5:47

very cool. What character class are you then?

5:50

I Made a naturally

5:52

I made an necromancer cuz because that's

5:54

a business like Diablo 2 I

5:56

mean actually not since the ability Diablo 2 is probably

5:58

the last game because Diablo 3 and

6:01

Diablo 4 really don't give

6:03

you that necromancer feel

6:06

with like a necromancer yeah the vibe

6:08

yeah the necromancers in d3 and d4

6:11

are basically like edgy mages right

6:13

it's it's just that but with with this and

6:15

d2 as well you could have just like a

6:17

whole army of minions while you're like walking around

6:19

and stuff and just command them to like go

6:21

attack stuff and I like I

6:23

like that feel that overlord type feeling where you're

6:25

just like walking around you have like a whole army

6:28

of undead just doing all the work for

6:30

you yeah yeah it's been fun and

6:33

then other you've also been playing Pacific Drive

6:36

yeah it was the first day or was

6:38

the second day yeah when it came out

6:40

yesterday I think right Thursday

6:42

it came out Thursday and

6:45

for a while now in the podcast I've

6:47

been I talked about it a

6:49

bunch of times where you

6:52

know I love Tarkov for the sense in the

6:54

sense that like you go into a map and

6:56

there's like a like it's like a very risky

6:58

map but there's a bunch of loop and

7:01

you can stay and loop a lot more but it's

7:03

riskier or you can like leave with the stuff you

7:05

have so you could bring it back to your base

7:07

and upgrade stuff at your base I've always talked about

7:09

like hey I just want to find games that do

7:11

that sense of gameplay loop where you kind of go

7:13

into like unknown territory you

7:15

know dangerous territory and and scavenge

7:18

and loot and go back to

7:20

your base and and upgrade

7:22

like meaningful upgrades and progression and resource management back

7:24

at base that's that game this game is literally

7:26

that it's literally what I've been like asking for

7:29

for a long long time I didn't play it

7:31

my I didn't play the demo I didn't watch

7:33

too many previews I only watched your preview I

7:35

watched some of your review I didn't

7:39

look too much into the game but it

7:41

delivered exactly exactly what I wanted other than

7:44

that atmosphere I think is really really good and they

7:46

it feels to me that

7:48

they've worked really hard

7:50

on the lore and the world building to it because

7:52

there's just a lot of stuff there's a

7:55

lot of meaning behind why stuff

7:57

is there there's like a whole

7:59

blog about of things you can

8:01

look up and you can analyze a bunch of different

8:03

anomalies and a bunch of different devices out in the

8:06

world and And it'll like you know

8:08

save onto your logbook and stuff And

8:11

yeah, no, it's it's been it's it's

8:13

just it's the type of game

8:15

where you you get yourself into stupid Situations and talk

8:17

about it later and like oh my god I forgot

8:19

to put the car on park and it rolled down

8:21

the hill and then yeah You know rolled into an

8:24

anomaly and you know and it's great and it has

8:26

one of the really really neat things and

8:28

this game is the options to

8:30

change just about every Like

8:33

gameplay thing almost like a difficulty thing like

8:35

you can change whether you lose all your

8:37

items some of your items None of your

8:39

items on death you can change a bunch

8:41

of different variables, you know

8:43

a lot a lot to count and you

8:45

can just like tailor the game to However,

8:49

you want to play? Yeah, I also like

8:51

that It feels like every it feels like

8:53

it's three montage Like parts

8:55

and movies as a game because when you go back

8:57

and you're building at your base It's like every like

8:59

we talked about on Wednesday It's like every a team

9:02

where they got the vehicle ready or

9:04

every heist movie where the guys got

9:07

around a table and like Prepared for

9:09

the heist and yet also like supernatural

9:11

or other ones where their home is their

9:13

safe spot for the most period And

9:16

you go back you turn the jukebox on and

9:18

you just it's like it's like John wick

9:20

the Like a Zalmo character and

9:22

John wick who fixes cars you just go in he's

9:24

just it's 3 a.m He's in a

9:27

leather coat looking dapper fixing his car for no

9:29

reason, you know You're like, do you ever go

9:31

home and that's what the that's what the game

9:33

feels like It's just awesome and you can fully

9:35

set yourself up to go and yeah, it's it's

9:37

definitely cool It's something that I've seen I think

9:40

almost universal praise for from fans. I haven't seen

9:45

One of the interesting things about the games

9:47

that everybody's pretty happy with it

9:49

Yeah, yeah, like the only thing

9:51

I've seen if like I think I like a

9:53

friend of a friend or something didn't like it

9:56

because Just because they were expecting something

9:58

else like they were expecting like a whole Just

10:00

open drive thing not much game like they were

10:02

oh right other one of those car games But

10:06

yeah other than that no, it's I mean it does It

10:09

does its mechanics are pretty airtight I

10:12

also really like I think you

10:14

you said you didn't like it as much, but I love the

10:16

UI I like the way they they

10:18

colored everything no I like that I just said

10:20

it's cumbersome when you first look at it, and

10:23

I can see when you're really being confused Yeah,

10:25

especially the you have like a your home base

10:27

You have a screen full of your your upgrades,

10:29

and there's a lot of upgrade trees like a

10:32

ton of upgrade trees You can go through you

10:34

get resources back user those resources to

10:37

upgrade. It's really neat to dive into

10:39

but also I felt

10:42

at home because The

10:44

way looting works like the same hotkeys

10:46

work that I'm used to entire cough

10:49

Like while holding you press R to rotate the

10:51

shift clicks to move from one thing to another

10:53

it Just I fall at home, and it's really

10:55

nice. I like the UX in it. Yeah, very

10:57

cool. All right. What about you silver? What do

10:59

you been playing? Well

11:04

first and foremost skull and bones actually

11:08

Okay, I figured I wanted to give the

11:10

game a fair shot with

11:12

all the all the memes and

11:15

all Sort of bandwagon shitting

11:17

on it that people are doing for for fun

11:20

I Wanted to try and assess

11:22

the game for as a game Like

11:25

it's sort of independent of it's a $70

11:27

price point and whatnot So I've

11:29

put about I think maybe between 20 and 30

11:31

hours into it at this point It's

11:36

it's very uneven And

11:39

it's also very I think rudimentary very

11:42

basic It

11:44

is at its heart. It's basically just

11:46

a ship combat game. You're just sailing

11:48

around doing ship combat at its heart

11:52

But it's done in like

11:54

an MMORPG Kind

11:57

of fashion. That's very very stat based

11:59

because It's basically, for

12:02

most of the game, your

12:04

main gameplay loop is going

12:06

to be just sailing around

12:08

collecting materials. You

12:10

do that either from specific

12:12

locations where you harvest them or you get

12:14

them from sinking other ships and then taking

12:17

their loot. And

12:19

you use those materials to then

12:21

craft better ships or better guns

12:24

or better hull armor. You

12:26

use that to then upgrade your ship, which upgrades

12:28

the levels of your ship continually throughout

12:33

the game. I think there's

12:35

a couple of aspects of that

12:37

that I don't like, that

12:40

level-dependent stat-based system. And

12:42

the main one is that it renders pretty

12:44

much all the ships except for

12:47

the late game ones, obsolete. So

12:49

by the late to end game, pretty

12:52

much everyone is just sailing around in the same

12:54

ships and the smaller ships and the medium-sized ships

12:57

are basically obsolete. There's

12:59

no reason for you to use those ships at all.

13:02

Even though they do have different

13:04

traits tied to them, their

13:07

level is so low that

13:10

you'll be out of...

13:12

you'll lock yourself out of the content using

13:15

those ships. So

13:17

that's something I think is a really strange

13:19

decision to sort

13:21

of level-gate those ships in that way. But

13:25

it's there and it's part of the game. The

13:30

combat itself is... there

13:33

is a skill component to it

13:35

where you have to... you can

13:37

aim for weak spots on the

13:39

ships and the higher tier ships

13:42

you fight, the smaller

13:44

the weak spots become, the more

13:46

difficult they become to hit. But

13:49

it can be quite rewarding to hit them

13:52

and to sink the enemy ships that way. It

13:56

can be quite fun, but it can also be

13:58

a slog because it is stat-based. So if

14:00

you're fighting something that's higher level

14:02

than you or otherwise

14:05

is larger or something, sometimes

14:08

it's a massive, it has a massive

14:10

health pool. So it can

14:12

sometimes take a long time to bring

14:14

down, even

14:17

if you're just, I guess, in circles around

14:19

them exploiting the AI or whatever. So

14:22

there's also that element to it as well. And

14:25

then by the late game, I haven't quite gotten

14:27

to the very late game yet, but I've heard

14:29

from people who are there, the game basically boils

14:31

down into fetch quests, going from A to B

14:35

and then getting attacked by enemy ships on

14:37

the way from A to B, which

14:40

I've heard some people have some problems

14:42

with. It's getting quite boring. The

14:46

location is interesting at least.

14:48

It's not the Caribbean anymore. It's the

14:50

Indian Ocean, which is off the coast

14:53

of Africa based in Madagascar, which was

14:55

a major pirate haven. In

14:57

the 17th century when the game takes place, that's

15:01

fun. Unusual

15:03

setting for a pirate game that we haven't

15:05

actually seen featured a whole lot. So

15:09

that's interesting. Unfortunately, the locations you get

15:11

to visit aren't really that interesting when

15:13

you go to them, like

15:15

these little hubs. And one of

15:18

the disappointments I had was actually the treasure

15:20

hunts in the game are very basic. You

15:22

get a treasure map and it

15:24

basically tells you the name of the port. You need

15:26

to go to, then you go to the port, then

15:29

you get a

15:32

landmark you have to go to. But you don't

15:34

even need to go to that landmark in that

15:36

hub location. You can just walk around. And

15:39

then the game will basically

15:41

put a glowing light

15:45

over the location where you have to take

15:48

basically mark it for you as you walk up to

15:50

it. And it's a point like basically

15:52

a giant point or saying this is where the

15:54

treasure is. So it's a treasure pickup. It's

15:57

not a treasure hunt. Pretty much. Pretty much. Like

16:00

CFEs where you actually have to go around and

16:02

try and look and engage where

16:04

you think the treasure might be buried, right?

16:08

It's it's The usual

16:10

kind of Ubisoft hand-holding. Um,

16:13

look let us point things out for you kind of thing. Um

16:16

Which I did find a little disappointing Which

16:19

they've been moving away From and

16:21

yeah, some of the recent games they have

16:23

been but yeah This one's very weird because

16:25

it feels like a front end and I

16:27

thought it feels like a front end match

16:29

game Yeah, yeah, that's true. I don't know

16:33

I mean you can't you can't actually

16:35

form fleets in uh in skull

16:37

and bones with others. Um, unlike

16:40

in CFEs Um, well, you

16:42

can do it in CFEs sort but

16:44

but only inside of the server you're

16:46

on. Yeah You can't

16:48

do it outside of the server and then log into a

16:50

server together, but you can do that in skull and bones

16:53

um Which can be kind of

16:55

cool So just not great as

16:57

a whole Yeah,

17:00

uh, I mean I To

17:03

touch on the on the price point. I definitely

17:05

don't think it's worth 70. Um,

17:07

don't think it's worth 60 either. Um If

17:11

you if you if you own Ubisoft plus

17:13

like I do, um might be worth giving

17:15

it a shot Uh, though the

17:17

early game is pretty rough you get stuck with

17:20

some pretty poor awful ships Uh

17:22

your other game is a bit of a flock. Uh

17:24

until you Unlock like the

17:26

cutter ship, uh, which is where the game really

17:28

starts to expand Because that

17:30

ship is really solid like that that

17:33

ship has automatic regeneration where you automatically

17:35

regenerate health outside of battle So

17:37

that helps a whole lot in terms of just sailing

17:40

around sinking ships and making the game fun

17:42

in that aspect Um,

17:45

but uh, but yeah, it's it's

17:47

fairly rough other than that All

17:49

right. Also cost customization options. I found to

17:52

be a little lacking

17:54

like um 80

17:56

of the coats have no shirt I

18:01

mean, I guess I guess you can understand

18:03

it given the climate but but it's still

18:06

right. It's a little weird Though

18:09

they're shirtless with a coat on

18:11

yes That's

18:17

a crocket and tubs roll. Yeah, it

18:20

looks a made arm rolled up No,

18:22

you know, I could definitely I

18:24

think they definitely need some more variety

18:27

in the customization options also They're

18:30

like the upgrade system also annoys me on

18:32

another level in that it ties you to

18:34

certain Looks like I upgraded my cannons and

18:37

they started getting spikes and stuff and

18:39

I couldn't move away from that That I thought

18:41

it started to look really ridiculous And I had

18:43

a similar problem with that black flag back in

18:45

the day where you got gold cannons by the

18:48

end like No wonder gold cannons.

18:50

I just want my can look like cannons.

18:52

Yeah, I could be better. You just want

18:54

them to do better Yeah, be better and

18:56

I couldn't I couldn't do that in black

18:58

flag either and here you're basically tied to

19:00

using the higher tier because you Need your

19:02

ship to be at a higher tier level

19:04

so that you can engage higher level content

19:08

So you're kind of stuck with the maybe

19:10

looks that you don't want gotcha.

19:12

All right, Johnny. They also know sir Well,

19:16

we'll come back to it because I do

19:18

want to just move through the what we've been playing a little

19:20

a little faster Go ahead Johnny. What so

19:22

what is it? Yeah, cuz uh I was

19:24

I was dreaming it yesterday. We were hanging

19:26

out in chat. That's kind of my main game

19:30

I'm in chapter 11. I don't know how many

19:32

there are but I'm I'm

19:34

hoping I can finish it before Final

19:37

fantasy comes out because you know, it'll

19:39

be difficult to have like two big

19:41

story games going right? That's my main

19:43

goal on the side. I've been playing

19:45

some hell divers and some lost Last

19:49

epoch. I always get those mixed

19:51

up, but I think it's last epoch

19:54

And that I've talked about that game in the

19:56

past, but now it's obviously, you know full release

19:59

is much more popular And I just

20:01

had like a quick shout out. I've

20:03

played recently, Path of Exile. I told you guys I got

20:05

to the end game and stuff. And

20:08

that is a game where you need like third party

20:10

apps. You need like full on

20:12

guides, right? To even attempt a playthrough. Last

20:17

Epoch is a great middle

20:19

ground where you can jump into

20:21

it without anything else. You don't even

20:23

need to Google stuff. And

20:25

you can figure out a good build that

20:28

will get you through the game to the end

20:30

game. While still having

20:32

really good depth in the skills.

20:35

So each skill you can open

20:38

it up in the mastery and you

20:40

have like a skill tree for that skill. If

20:42

that makes sense. If you want

20:44

to like delve into it,

20:46

each class has subclasses as well.

20:48

So it's very cool. Has

20:50

a lot to offer and it's a lot of fun.

20:53

So it's a great balance

20:55

for people who are like overwhelmed by something like

20:57

Path of Exile. So in a way, would you

20:59

and Abze then you guys would agree that it's

21:01

like this one's more newbie friendly, I guess. Oh,

21:03

100%. Oh,

21:06

100% Path of Exile, yeah, 100% for sure. Or even Diablo

21:08

it sounds like. I mean

21:10

just overall Diablo is way more new friendly. Diablo is way

21:12

more new friendly. Diablo is way more new friendly. Diablo lacks

21:15

the depth. Diablo lacks the depth. Diablo lacks the depth.

21:17

Diablo lacks the depth. I will say I still

21:20

like I think this is a better game overall

21:22

than Diablo, but obviously

21:24

it's Blizzard animation wise graphically the way...

21:27

Yeah, and like the campaign, right? ...abilities

21:29

feel, obviously the campaign, the story. Diablo

21:32

does way better for sure. The

21:35

look of the game, the music, the

21:37

polish and obviously this is an indie

21:39

theme. So

21:41

it's not fair to compare the two. And

21:44

those aspects I think the Z4 does a

21:46

better job, but everything else. I think lastly

21:48

Buck is a better game overall.

21:52

Johnny, do you sort of agree with all that? Yeah,

21:55

I agree 100%. And I think

21:57

most people who play these games play for the

21:59

gameplay most. I know a lot

22:01

of people enjoy the campaign. Yeah Yeah,

22:05

like gameplay. It's fantastic That's

22:08

interesting to hear that they did I

22:10

mean are these developers from something else

22:12

or the last team from other games?

22:14

It's a good question I don't know

22:16

but this has been around for many

22:18

years in early access Oh, and like

22:20

a bunch of time in

22:22

the works So hopefully I agree

22:25

isn't bullshit like Baldur's Gate and they

22:27

didn't just they didn't just early access

22:30

Only game. Yeah, we're like our

22:32

games. Yeah Anything

22:36

out there Johnny that you've been playing that's it for

22:38

me some league on the side. That's about it Alright,

22:41

I'll get to mine the second Joe five dollars

22:43

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22:45

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one. What's up game on? I'm talk to you in a

23:01

while Man, hopefully your podcast are doing well and you're doing

23:03

well I've even got a chance to watch anybody else's podcast

23:05

after the Final Fantasy Long

23:07

NDA period and Jan $20 super chat.

23:10

Just wanted to give my support for

23:12

the best SS

23:14

plus. Oh, yeah, SS tier plus sounds

23:16

sort of weird SS here so

23:18

I should say Yes, yeah,

23:21

yeah here. Otherwise things are gonna

23:23

get weird. Thank you very much

23:25

for the support everybody. I appreciate it It is

23:27

awesome to see everybody here and enjoying themselves with

23:29

gaming Yeah,

23:31

so I was doing absolute

23:34

boat tongue of Final

23:38

Fantasy and the NDA was ridiculous. It was

23:40

ridiculous. It was ridiculous. It was terrifyingly bad

23:42

It was so tight and it's not even

23:44

against square That's the way it should be

23:46

for a lot of these story games So

23:49

you don't but the problem that I said

23:51

in my review is square spoils their

23:53

own games in their trailers Square

23:56

trailers are easily wouldn't we agree that

23:58

square trailers are the worst Yeah,

24:00

when it comes to stuff.

24:03

I was getting ready to cut in I distinctly

24:06

remember them in in my NDA

24:09

saying not to show and it's right in their

24:11

trailer. I'm like, oh my god And

24:13

then I was worried they would think I was it was my

24:16

footage I was like, well, how are they gonna know the difference

24:18

between their trailer? Cuz that's right in the trailer But

24:21

yeah playing you know Final Fantasy 7 rebirth.

24:24

It's got its it's got its, you know,

24:26

it's got its issues, man It's definitely

24:28

the biggest hit I can say and

24:30

the most noticeable thing you come out

24:33

of Final Fantasy rebirth with is the

24:35

idea that jumping

24:37

to an open world does have different

24:39

caveats than that more closed off first

24:41

section and the blurriness has

24:43

been upgraded with a Sharpening

24:45

filter that weirdly enough I'm talking to John and

24:47

I got to ask him today John from digital

24:49

founder cuz I was like Dude, what is going

24:51

on? This thing looks weird and

24:54

it looks originally like they were leaving

24:56

the picture still blurry But then adding

24:58

a filter on top of that

25:00

to sharpen it in a weird way versus

25:02

like let's say Sharpening it lightly prior and

25:05

then putting a blur over it. So no

25:07

matter what version you're playing It

25:09

looks weird and then there is a lot

25:12

of pop-in in the game that

25:14

trade-off though Is that other

25:16

than 15 where I feel

25:18

15 was very varied in its world and you

25:21

you know, you saw I'm playing it right now

25:23

there's all these different places rebirth has so many

25:25

locations and it's massive and The

25:28

the landscape even when there's muddy textures

25:30

here They're the landscape and just the

25:32

idea of like they sort of you

25:35

know, obviously they're using engines. They didn't

25:37

go study geology The

25:39

the fact that like they have the right

25:41

type of erosion on rocks in certain places

25:43

and those rocks look different than just a

25:45

place Like banishers, I like

25:48

but banishers looks placed every single

25:50

thing in banishers looks placed by

25:52

a person every wall every

25:54

ravine Everything you go through and

25:56

then you play this and it's just like oh wow,

25:58

this is like an open Area with things that are

26:01

impossible because guess what nature doesn't fucking care about humans

26:03

being able to walk through it It's extra you

26:05

man. You've ever been in a place with a lot of

26:07

underbrush You're like, all right, it's gonna take us six hours

26:09

to go to camp and that's 50 feet away You know,

26:11

so that was the best thing about it. They

26:13

added a lot of combat I'm not gonna spoil anything

26:15

guys. Don't worry. They added a lot of stuff in

26:17

the combat maybe too much I cannot wait

26:20

to see a lot of people play this and figure

26:22

out how they're going to play it because it's got

26:24

so many skills and abilities

26:26

that you can trigger some

26:28

live in the battle but

26:30

others You really

26:32

just have to pause the game to get to if

26:35

you want to use them And so there's this tip

26:37

for tat of like what are the four to eight

26:39

main ones you want versus once

26:41

you get leveled up The boatload that

26:43

you have by the way on the

26:45

prior I already felt like I needed

26:47

to compete You know like because

26:49

you have four in the quick slots and then

26:51

like dude I want to use two more at

26:54

least like, you know, I never

26:56

even used the quick sauce I didn't even know they

26:58

did you just pause for the whole game? Yeah, I

27:00

did the whole command menu thing You can see it

27:02

my footage bro. I do the same thing. I'm like,

27:05

I'm sure I Returned

27:07

somebody probably got mad and was like, why'd you

27:09

you know, why aren't you why aren't you just

27:11

I was cool with that Right. I was cool.

27:13

Yeah, that was very cool. I like that system

27:16

Yeah, and dude, here's the thing about

27:18

Final Fantasy and I was saying this in

27:20

review These guys would light a cigarette fireball Nothing

27:22

as small to them the smallest spell to

27:24

them would freeze half a continent and

27:26

that would be like their level one spell And when

27:28

you get into a battle and in rebirth, you're just

27:31

like What is happening

27:33

right now? So occasionally pausing or slowing

27:35

down time to I mean we're talking

27:38

the guys go So

27:40

it's not perfectly paused right? It's that Rest

27:43

pause. Um, you're casting those spells and shit and

27:45

there's times where pausing is a good plan because

27:47

you're just like, okay I need to parse You

27:50

know the 65 spells you have a random dog

27:53

running into in a somersault on fire and you're

27:55

like, oh god There's a lot going on. Is

27:57

there the same type of gearing

28:00

Where every time you got a new weapon you got

28:02

to use the ability on the weapon to learn the

28:04

ability so that you keep It forever. No you

28:07

basically know you basically you

28:09

got to co-op like a base

28:12

an ATM to buy the major

28:14

skills So like synergies and

28:16

sometimes the area blah blah blah

28:18

But then materials separate into each

28:20

weapon and you can take them and

28:22

place them and move them around at any time and

28:24

the material Levels up and then you can move it

28:26

to another weapon if you want So if you do

28:28

have the broadsword or that you know some or a

28:31

secret weapon I got where you just

28:33

switch it out and then put in whatever material you

28:35

want Those jewels level

28:37

up with kills basically the easiest way to describe

28:39

it is their blood weapons really I mean, they're

28:41

just leveling up with you know with kills

28:43

and yeah It all I mean and there's a lot

28:45

of systems we're not even allowed to talk about there's

28:48

a lot of stuff later that you're Not allowed to

28:50

talk about which I totally get there's cool minigames The

28:53

card game was good the Queen's blood I

28:55

think or whatever that card looks cool Dude,

28:58

it's you know how a lot of times you get

29:00

into a game and their card games more complex than

29:02

the major fucking spell casting In the game and so

29:04

if you love it, you're gonna love it, right? And

29:06

if you don't try it won't at all

29:09

This one is just basic enough that

29:11

at first anybody can play it and you're like,

29:13

oh, it's this Oh, and then you

29:15

get another card and you're like, oh now I

29:17

oh there's more complex and it gets more and

29:19

more It's a no Solid card

29:21

game in a game. Yeah, you know what gave

29:24

me the same exact feeling as that with the

29:26

the game in Valhalla the dice Game, where

29:28

I was like, yeah, this is yeah, you know,

29:30

and then you get deep into it. Yeah Yeah,

29:33

yeah, that's I mean that would be a really

29:35

good a really good comparison to

29:37

this one Is that ability for

29:39

you to jump into it feel

29:41

that it's basic enough to understand the basic moves and

29:43

win and the guy that You first play is one

29:46

of those guys, you know, there's a good dude, you

29:48

know He can barely put a card down. So you're

29:50

gonna win against him But it's just

29:52

walking you through and then and then

29:54

you play people around the world with better cards

29:56

and more intelligence They're better at things. Also,

29:59

I have to say No, they

30:01

don't have a living system in their cities

30:03

like let's say a Ubisoft game or you

30:05

know some which I see the buttons There's

30:09

something magical and you guys know I'm not a

30:12

huge fan of the original too much because that

30:14

the graphics Style but

30:16

to go into a city that you saw years

30:18

and years ago as a 2d city To

30:21

go into that city or go into a place

30:23

or go to or even explore the wildlands Yeah,

30:25

there's and it's there are times where there was

30:28

like a guy and a girl taking pictures and

30:30

fighting over the camera Too who was gonna do

30:32

the best selfie and it's very social, you know,

30:34

it's very Twitter esque at times It's very you

30:36

know, there's always been that in the final fantasies

30:39

where they're Reflect, you know sort

30:41

of the zeitgeist, but yeah, it was really cool, man

30:43

There was a lot of very nice stuff in it

30:45

But I gotta tell you man, it

30:47

definitely shows it definitely shows how difficult it

30:49

is to make an open-world game And

30:52

and not have a caveat Yeah,

30:57

what'd you say day-and-day PC they should do

30:59

the end date PCs Oh, well, so people

31:01

have PCs don't have to yeah, the first

31:03

one had issues on PC as well And

31:06

15 had to get a HD patch, you

31:09

know, I think the HD patch is also on

31:11

consoles though Now that I think about it for

31:13

15, but yeah I mean they've all had

31:15

little issues because it's a PC to you're always gonna

31:17

have small stuff But and then

31:19

I went looked, you know, you don't like for

31:21

this one in particular I just sort of closed

31:23

off everything didn't talk to anybody just played it

31:25

at my own speed Thanks to square for the

31:27

code because they just let you sit on it

31:29

like they were it was a while They were

31:31

like you go girl, you know, just play, you

31:34

know, do your thing and It's

31:36

always nice. There was no checkups, you know, sometimes it'd be

31:38

like hey, do you need more? And you know, they're just

31:40

checking to make sure you haven't got stymied But sometimes I

31:42

don't even want to look at emails when I'm reviewing a

31:44

game especially as big as that and it is big

31:47

it is It's big

31:49

in scope and it's big and big it's

31:51

big Yeah, like there's times where I was

31:53

all if a person wants to just live

31:56

in this world The way some kind of

31:58

fantasy fans are we're gonna walk around take a Not

32:00

a screen like a screenshot of everybody or deuce. They're

32:02

gonna be in that game for a long fucking time

32:05

a long time and Verticality

32:07

is great in this game man They're the

32:09

first area is still one of the best

32:12

looking areas bar none ignoring the the blurry

32:15

some some muddy textures man that

32:17

first area the grasslands is It's

32:20

just primo looking it just

32:22

looks so enjoyable as a

32:24

location It's like sun

32:26

dappled sometimes other times It's like bleached out because

32:29

you know you're right in the middle and there's

32:31

no cover and then all the rock formations Then

32:33

you go into some swamps and that totally changes

32:36

The way the color is and it gets darker and darker wherever

32:38

you go They did a really good job with some of that

32:40

lighting how it it just

32:43

it it's just fog But

32:45

it's not that dead gray that you get in a

32:47

lot of games where they can't handle overcast This one

32:49

actually handles it this one actually handles it pretty

32:51

well Yeah, it was a phenomenal

32:53

time to play, but it definitely had its issues I

32:55

certainly I don't know if I loved it as much

32:57

as everybody else, but I did like it I'm gonna

32:59

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33:01

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33:07

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33:15

patron discord What are we gonna say? first

33:18

of all you're my barometer for Like

33:22

I guess being objective when it comes to

33:25

Final fantasy games because I've you know I've

33:28

liked most of them Oh for

33:30

me it's like I'm you know I have a pretty

33:33

big inclination to play and like those

33:35

nice Especially

33:37

this one cuz it like the original right

33:39

like the music and everything with you and

33:41

everything resonates with me So

33:43

I enjoyed the first one a

33:46

lot But it was cool to see that

33:48

you without any of those like investments also

33:50

thought it was a good game in In

33:53

and of itself, and so

33:55

I was I was really happy to see that this

33:57

is also like look. This is a

33:59

solid game Yeah, and

34:02

even despite the problems. Yeah, even this and those

34:04

problems when I say despite I shouldn't even blow

34:06

them up that big because it sounds like there's

34:08

a 50-50 going on there's not there's just you

34:11

have to be You know, you will

34:13

see it even if you're a gamer who doesn't notice it You

34:15

will see it whether you turn it on and you go Is

34:18

my sharpness weird on my monitor or what

34:20

you know, or you have to play in

34:22

graphics mode. See, that's the big thing personally

34:26

performance mode looks so bad to me

34:28

that the 60 FPS was not worth

34:30

it and That's because

34:33

when the lighting the resolution of everything just

34:35

looks better on quality mode It's one of

34:37

the few games that I can say and

34:39

it is slicker it is very it does

34:41

perform quite well in performance mode But

34:44

the pop-in that I was talking about and all that once

34:46

you see that once you see the way it looks I Just

34:50

was like I'd rather actually weirdly enough Just slow

34:52

to have this more of a slower experience and

34:54

have it look a little bit sharper and a

34:56

little bit better a little Bit more high detail

34:58

than I would you know, and they're I'm

35:00

sure we're gonna see patches like that's just the way it

35:02

is We they got a patch for a demo which Final

35:05

Fantasy has done before and other Final Fantasy games when they

35:07

patched the demo Which is good. That's a smart way to

35:09

do it If you you know, if you have a demo

35:11

available don't make it an old version that doesn't

35:14

represent whatever you're gonna put out There in

35:16

the field. So yeah, but I did want

35:18

to ask you before just before we move

35:20

on like was was it an issue? For

35:23

you like all the particle effects because you

35:25

did mention like, you know There's so many

35:27

right like the dog attacks and yeah, it's

35:29

all over the screen Is

35:32

that like problematic to sort of

35:34

pars and track what's going on at

35:37

times? Yeah,

35:39

yeah. Yeah, there's definitely times where and I have

35:41

auto I put some materia that was an auto

35:43

attack for the guys I wasn't controlling so they

35:45

would use their specials So if you

35:47

have two guys who just happen to trigger their

35:50

specials at the same time and you trigger your

35:52

words There's a good chance. It will look like

35:54

an absolute just chaos explosion of colors and light

35:56

on the screen But I personally also think That's

35:59

their style. Okay with that. like

36:01

I'm okay of that A I'd That is that

36:03

they're They're not there to be D M C

36:05

and have you have a perfect perry time. In

36:07

fact, there's a material that lets you have a

36:09

bigger Perry window so it's just sitting there. just

36:11

sort of. All the buttons are there for you

36:13

to play the way you want. They have some

36:15

material stuff that changes the way that nerds. Here,

36:18

it's just it's final Fantasy. I'm accustomed to a final

36:20

fantasy at a Boy band game or like the Pratap

36:23

to assume that you're going to be over the top.

36:25

And yes, we can ask. Magic. By

36:28

those me half, oh no, it's over. The.

36:32

Com the changes to cover decide

36:34

the changed to feel of the

36:36

combat noticeably from the remake no.

36:39

No. It's a it's got more stuff. Do it.

36:41

I would say that you could do the synergies

36:43

or hugh. They're awesome by the way because so

36:46

you can make up to three teams see can

36:48

make your team you like for. Juliet

36:50

Bad Guys: you can make a team your

36:52

life for the smaller bad guys new. make

36:54

him in mid team and go into the

36:56

minion. switch out at any time in it

36:58

switches who's in front of lead, three characters

37:00

that fight and then your support characters and

37:02

synergies are two people working together and what

37:04

it. What I loved about this game is

37:06

it actually made me wanna play characters I

37:09

wouldn't play. I'm gonna be on and over

37:11

be like right? You know? Big.

37:13

Boob Lady. But a lot of times I just

37:16

look at her and I'm like I don't really.

37:18

You know the punches. She's a bad ass by

37:20

the way. in combat, she's ridiculous in combat, sometimes

37:22

just looks goofy. I like the Magic User and

37:24

I definitely liked Or Barrett. But. In

37:27

this, I found myself switching them out because I want

37:29

to see what their synergies looked like together. So

37:31

like I definitely would say it or it all

37:34

for it of at it offers more. Ah,

37:36

experimentation. And we've seen in

37:38

the prior. One of biggest thing I notice

37:41

was experimentation was me wanting to do it.

37:43

A lot of games will say you can

37:45

experiment. By the title need to

37:47

do F you know you're already to overload. You're just

37:49

like all I can do it for. Five Zero asks

37:52

right? I'm here. I was like, oh what a like

37:54

for example. and i can't remember this

37:56

isn't final fantasy remake if the same thing as

37:58

but in rebirth you can do Special

38:00

moves that are guard moves where the two people will

38:02

go back to back was that in remake? Oh,

38:05

I don't think so move though. So

38:07

you'll have like you go ahead. I was in the

38:09

DLC Are you talking about those

38:11

like bond abilities? Okay. So yeah, that's then yeah,

38:13

correct. That's in the deal See that's what somebody's

38:15

arriving. Yeah So so basically in the DLC if

38:18

you played it and if you haven't in this

38:20

you can go back to back with other people

38:22

And like be on guard and there's just something

38:24

it's it's like teamwork. It just feels good It's

38:26

like dude, you know Barrett

38:29

and cloud back-to-back it just feels it feels

38:31

like Final Fantasy I said that's starting the

38:33

review if you ask ten people what Final

38:35

Fantasy is most people have ten answers But

38:37

for me one of the biggest parts of

38:39

all Final Fantasy games and what 16 lacked

38:41

a bit would camaraderie Yeah,

38:44

they're camaraderie. That's why I love 15 so

38:47

much the idea of this boy band group of

38:49

guys pushing their car I was just like what

38:51

is this, you know, but you feel I don't

38:53

know if you guys remember in 15 They like

38:56

move each other out of the way kill the guy high five,

38:58

you know, it's just this feeling of back and forth here

39:00

It's less so but the feeling when you put those guys

39:02

back to back and you fight a big guy and beat

39:04

him It feels good. You're like, oh, this

39:07

is awesome. And the summons are awesome, but I won't talk I

39:09

only showed one in the entire thing and so first one But

39:12

there's some you know, I'm sure my first one again.

39:14

Yeah Yeah,

39:19

there's there was one I saw that I was like It

39:22

didn't remind me of the remember the original You

39:25

know you get those final fantasy where it's like a

39:27

cutscene for 15 minutes where a dragon to see the

39:30

universe and then suddenly everybody's Okay, there

39:32

are some pretty big ones in this not not to that

39:34

not to that 15 had some insane ones 15

39:37

had them insane massive insane ones. Yeah, definitely

39:39

do have another question as well. Yeah, how

39:41

are the accessibility options? The

39:43

accessibility options are okay They're built into the game

39:46

in the way that I was saying where the

39:48

pause just works at any time and

39:50

you can get me I would say accessibility

39:52

is weirdly they have some options which are

39:54

good But the accessibility to me was actually

39:56

in the materia system because adding

39:59

the ability to attack. Yeah and then

40:01

throw different spells on somebody and just

40:03

and then the different equipment engages those

40:05

spells and that's all done. The ability

40:07

to switch out your team prior

40:10

to it. So you walk down a hill and you

40:12

know you know how it is. You start noticing a

40:14

bunch of resources prior to a cavern door and you're

40:16

like that's a boss. I know that's a mini boss

40:18

of some kind. Or there's an altar in the middle

40:20

of a cavern and you're like that's not there just

40:22

to you know light up the cavern. There's a bad

40:24

guy in here. So you can switch those out. That's

40:26

the accessibility more than anything else. I

40:28

didn't really see any... I'll have

40:30

to look again for accessibility because

40:33

I don't remember anything in

40:35

that game that really required a bunch of taps at

40:37

particular times. You could... you can do that. You can

40:40

like do an attack where if you hit the attack

40:42

you get another attack or something. There was a lot

40:44

of... I think in the first one they had some

40:47

mini games that were pretty challenging but I guess

40:49

that was the point of them like you know

40:52

when you had to do like sit-ups

40:54

or different you know like different rhythm

40:57

things but I guess that was the point of

40:59

them to be a challenge. Push

41:01

out ghoul. Five dollar super chat. Can you use

41:03

items at any time? Don't mind for spells to

41:05

need to build up to use items that are...

41:08

yeah for... yeah some items do require build-up so

41:10

be prepared for that. Sleeper

41:13

or Soulkeeper. Twelve dollar super chat. Thank

41:15

you very much. Gents, four party podcast is a great

41:17

way to kick off the weekend. Did anybody jump on

41:20

Mallet Throw which is

41:22

that rogue poker

41:24

game or rogue like card game? Did any of

41:26

you guys get that one? I was just checking

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it out. It looks really cool and I like

41:30

poker quite a lot. Yeah and then

41:32

Luke. Twenty dollar super chat. Love the podcast.

41:35

I enjoy the perspective everyone brings. Special shout

41:38

out to Silver for his original takes. His perspectives

41:40

are often a pleasant surprise. That's

41:43

true. Or they're a complete argument point and nobody can

41:45

understand where you're coming from. One of the two. But

41:47

that's the way we all are. Yeah,

41:49

no thank you very much man. I appreciate that. We all

41:51

do. Yeah

41:54

man so Final Fantasy. It's reviewing well.

41:57

People see the demo and I'm gonna just say that what

42:00

you get. So if you didn't like the demo for whatever

42:02

reason, you probably won't like the main game.

42:04

And, you know, it's just a

42:06

it's a it's a game that shows that

42:09

you jump into an open world no matter

42:11

how much money the developer has is probably

42:13

going to be a difficult thing. You know,

42:15

it's definitely not super easy to jump in there

42:17

and do those. Yeah, true.

42:20

Moving on. I wonder if they thought

42:22

real quick, I wonder if they thought

42:25

about like open world when they jumped

42:27

into the remake, like,

42:29

let's say the first game, like when

42:32

they were choosing, okay, what technology to use

42:34

all this type of stuff like, is

42:36

it that yeah, the

42:38

game probably changes so much and how

42:41

you have to construct it right for

42:43

an open world. Yeah,

42:45

and you still get cities and closed off areas too.

42:47

So it's like it's a day it's both worlds and

42:50

next versus the first, which was a little bit more

42:52

closed off. This is just like, I mean, even within

42:54

the first a little bit of time, it's just like,

42:56

Oh, I know, you know, it's gonna

42:58

be it's gonna be that kind of game. So

43:00

it definitely explodes up from there. Moving

43:03

on from there, though. Xbox games

43:05

are on other systems. It's

43:08

a weird day. It's a weird day.

43:10

sentiment. What do we got out there right

43:13

now? And high five, right?

43:15

Is that right? Are those both? I

43:17

think those were the big ones. Those are

43:19

Yeah. And then see if these is that

43:22

confirmed live

43:24

though, as of today.

43:26

It'll go live in April 20

43:29

something. Is

43:31

it like cross play and everything? Yes. Come

43:34

on from up from the email I

43:36

got I certainly got that impression. Yeah.

43:38

Okay. Yeah. It's also very difficult for

43:40

me to imagine that it would

43:43

work if it wasn't cross play. I

43:46

agree with you. It wouldn't work out sort of the point of

43:48

it, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

43:50

It's nice to see, man. It's a different world

43:52

we live in. And I've

43:54

been saying it for a while. It's like listen to

43:57

the companies. They're obviously changing their tune. There's going to

43:59

be even bigger. changes when it comes

44:01

to every company. Square themselves have stated

44:03

they're gonna slow down development, Namco, you

44:06

know, Sony's doing more PC, Microsoft is

44:08

doing other consoles, it is a wide

44:10

world and Nintendo is delaying until 2025

44:12

so who knows? Who

44:15

knows what the switch tool look like? Switch

44:17

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of the things I'm excited about is especially

44:37

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44:41

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45:26

out. Money issues and stuff. But like for

45:28

a large majority of people I think

45:31

they really, really want a game. They

45:33

just, you know, I

45:35

don't think... Yeah, I think

45:37

temporary exclusivity is just like the best in

45:40

between, like the best compromise. Yeah, if you have to

45:42

have any, right? I think that's what we said on

45:44

Wednesday is if you have to have any exclusivity at

45:46

all. A temporary window of like one year's, you know,

45:48

and it'll be longer for some of these games because

45:51

Microsoft and Sony and all these guys have had games

45:53

for longer. They'll look back. I mean, Ghost of Shishima

45:55

is already how many years out? But

45:58

that goes to PC. That already a been out

46:00

for that's been a while yeah 2019 yeah yeah yeah

46:02

three or four years now

46:06

weird guys yeah that is a that

46:08

is a blast from the past remember

46:10

prior when we were all watching trailers

46:12

and going the wind man the

46:14

wind controls like you can use the wind to

46:17

figure out where you are this is so crazy

46:19

before even playing it and just seeing that now

46:21

it's just awesome and no one's done it since

46:24

nope no one's done it since and

46:26

I would assume that we also probably

46:29

won't see anybody do a specific system like

46:31

that for a while until they can do something that's different

46:33

like explain to me what do you guys think would be

46:35

another way to

46:37

do something like that instead so let's not copy them

46:39

right genius level design

46:41

and world building so that you just have a feeling

46:43

I'm on a via you just know where to go

46:45

just no markers I mean there was people to go

46:48

dust trail right yeah

46:52

there's no doubt well yeah the obvious I mean

46:54

yeah I mean yeah I mean I

46:59

mean it just feels to me like this

47:01

the wind for that game fit perfectly it

47:04

just fit yeah like a

47:06

bird or something and one in a game in

47:08

a fake a bluebird or some shit I don't

47:10

not in the fable just in a game I

47:12

remember like following there haven't there have been various

47:14

things but not used

47:17

in the I think organic

47:19

way that that that's ghosted ghosted

47:21

remember and ghost had you follow

47:23

little foxes I know I actually

47:25

talked to a lot of people

47:27

very annoyed by that

47:29

one and I don't know I

47:31

didn't feel that myself I felt like oh

47:33

I'm following over here but

47:36

I yeah I remember even in our discord

47:38

a lot of people being like but I

47:40

can certainly understand why when you hit like

47:42

the set the 12 Fox

47:44

or whatever it starts to maybe does start to

47:46

get a feeling old where

47:48

you start wondering why there's so many foxes nothing else

47:50

in the living yeah because

47:52

I mean like the like is

47:55

the collectathon aspect with the

47:57

shrines and stuff can get a bit much in the World

48:00

Games so yeah sure Nines

48:03

gifted five ACG memberships. Thank you very

48:05

much Nines. Appreciate the support Hope

48:07

you're having an excellent day. Um any

48:09

other stuff to discuss about Final Fantasy Seven

48:13

Rebirth Final Fantasy seven or Rebirth Yeah,

48:16

that's what I was talking about earlier. I don't know what

48:18

to call it. I just call it rebirth I think you're

48:20

pretty much probably gonna tide me over until the Dragons dog.

48:22

All right Yeah, cuz that's tied me and tied me over

48:24

until Fancy if I fancy

48:26

would I have a question for you serious

48:29

Do you think you'll beat Final Fantasy Rebirth

48:32

before Dragons dogma comes out knowing? Yeah, I

48:34

think so Final Fantasy comes out It's still

48:36

got a couple days before it comes out

48:39

Comes on the 29th and then I'll have

48:41

until the 22nd to be there. Yeah. Yeah,

48:43

I'll manage I'll man. I mean, you know,

48:46

it's not as a Final Fantasy seven

48:48

as uh You know

48:50

important to me as the aqua zone So the right

48:52

is that like I made sure to do every single

48:55

thing, you know with Final Fantasy I

48:57

don't think I'll make sure to like hundred percent everything.

48:59

Yeah What about you

49:01

guys anybody gonna are you like Johnny? Are you

49:03

gonna do Final Fantasy then jump to

49:05

Dragons dogma or do you like? Yeah, that's the

49:08

plan That's the plan. Yeah, I think you'll

49:10

be able to beat it in time Yeah,

49:12

I'm pretty sure I'm also not a big

49:14

like completionist So I'm gonna

49:16

do like the fun stuff And

49:19

then you know and then play the story

49:22

just have like a good experience with it and that's

49:24

it Yeah, I'm not too fussed about getting everything Getting

49:28

every single the only issue is that everything in

49:30

the occluse is fun, you know, so I just

49:33

I didn't Up.

49:35

Oh go ahead honey. No, feel free. Go now.

49:37

I was just gonna say I've always found with

49:39

the aqua that there's some There's

49:41

a lot to choose from is

49:44

a big offering of things to do Yeah, and

49:46

some of them click with me and others don't

49:49

like I'm not playing Shoji. Sorry. Oh,

49:51

I didn't play Yeah,

49:53

that's just an example, you

49:55

know, yeah. Yeah. I

49:57

also didn't like the Pokemon battles that much

50:00

But you know, it's there and it

50:02

will speak to other people.

50:05

I'm a Sushiman master. Okay. I

50:07

can't be platinum Well,

50:10

do you guys yeah, I guess that's why I

50:13

was asking because that game is eaten up so much

50:15

time But I guess Final Fantasy doesn't need up time

50:17

in the same way It's

50:20

this game. I mean something about

50:22

infinite wealth. Just like I don't

50:24

want to say it's infinite It

50:27

yeah, it's got a different yeah, I mean

50:29

I I spent hours playing a random Beat

50:32

him up arcade came and I spent hours

50:34

like doing the bicycle crazy delivery game Even

50:36

though I asked everything and I was just

50:38

like doing it over and over. I don't

50:40

know. Yeah I don't know if Final Fantasy

50:42

will have like the same type of hey

50:45

I'm just doing this to do this and just having fun

50:47

with this one part. I don't know. I don't know We'll

50:49

see we'll see maybe and then let me put out a

50:51

question not for us I guess but I will put out

50:54

a question and we can mark it and talk about it

50:56

in a couple years Do

50:58

we think that Final Fantasy 7 3

51:01

whatever it is is going to be the last

51:03

one or have they is it so

51:05

big? I don't might leave them do a fourth one No,

51:08

they should they should wrap up the

51:10

Final Fantasy 7 story in three games.

51:12

They should they should they they

51:15

shouldn't I mean it depends

51:17

man. Like it's not I'm not an honor

51:19

shaking my head argument. I'm like It

51:22

just it took its own I mean, it's

51:24

not like really a remake anymore like we

51:26

know it's more of a sequel type thing

51:28

Alternate whatever the fuck so maybe they could

51:30

do that But like just as long as

51:32

they don't add it out or

51:34

feel like it's you know Feel

51:37

like one of the games is just you know a filler a

51:39

filler game or something. Yeah, so yeah

51:42

It it just makes me wonder because if

51:44

they have you know Super success and they

51:46

look at it as like, you know Aside

51:48

Final Fantasy series of games and suddenly seven's

51:51

got its own path over here and you

51:53

have the main ones over here I can

51:55

see them doing it. I can see them

52:00

I mean, they actually have a difficult time seeing

52:03

them condense the

52:05

seven into those three games, I

52:08

guess. Given the... I mean,

52:11

just given the scope of the remake... Oh,

52:15

yeah. Like the first remake. I mean,

52:17

the first remake still ended fairly early

52:19

in the entire sort of chronology

52:22

of the

52:24

original seven game. I don't

52:26

actually know where Rebirth ends, but

52:29

I think it's before

52:32

a certain new character

52:35

enters, who's incidentally my favorite

52:38

character in Final Fantasy 7. But

52:43

like, if he's not in Rebirth,

52:47

then I think it's going to be very hard to wrap

52:49

everything up in the third game.

52:53

Yeah, as long as a game,

52:55

each game, whatever is $70, $60 is

52:58

worth the money and it's really good,

53:01

I don't care. They can make six games if they

53:03

want. Yeah. As long as each

53:05

one's really good and fun and it's a game, you

53:07

know? Although, I mean, frankly,

53:09

I found the original fairly bloated,

53:12

so I wouldn't necessarily... The original

53:14

Final Fantasy 7? You mean the OGE? Yeah.

53:17

Yes. So I wouldn't necessarily

53:19

mind if they cut stuff and condensed it

53:21

down further. Yeah, they're just going to go

53:23

down the R words. Resurgence, revengeance, revenge... I'm

53:25

probably also not going to play them because

53:27

I bounced off the remake pretty hard. Oh,

53:30

did you? Yeah. Oh, I

53:32

just couldn't judge it with the real-time... I

53:34

bounced off the remake as well the

53:37

first time, and then I didn't really

53:39

play it until I got my PS5

53:41

two years ago. And

53:43

then that's when I played the integrated and it

53:45

just clicked. The first

53:47

time around, yeah, I didn't really click with me.

53:49

I thought it was going to be spaced weird.

53:54

Baron, quiet! Baron has

53:56

replaced Ming. Baron, shut

53:58

up! Shut up! So

54:02

when it comes to bouncing off it, Abzi, why

54:05

did you, why, do you know why you bounced

54:07

off it the first time? Maybe

54:09

mindset at the time, like I, so

54:12

first of all, I don't really like the

54:15

writing, you know, overall. Let's just put

54:17

it out there. I don't like the writing. I'm not

54:19

like a huge fan of the weird, you know, anime

54:21

trophy writing where it's like, all

54:24

the girls are all wanting me and I'm gonna

54:27

act cool and distant and shit. I

54:29

don't know. I, there was a lot of

54:31

like dialogue issues. I had like dialogue writing

54:34

issues. I liked the story. I liked the

54:36

story itself. I think it's pretty cool. It's

54:38

a really, it's a pretty unique kind of

54:40

story. And then I think I just didn't

54:42

like the dialogue writing that much. I still

54:44

liked a bunch of the characters. And

54:47

the first time it just, you know, I even got

54:49

to like the last chapter, the first time I was

54:51

like, I don't really want to play it anymore. And

54:53

the combat didn't really gel with me the first time

54:55

around. And I guess maybe it's like a different mindset

54:57

or something, but I played the, maybe it's the 60.

54:59

No, it's not the 60. I don't think it's a 60 FPS,

55:01

but I played it again when with

55:03

the PS five and

55:06

the combat. I just really, really dug

55:08

it like the gameplay overall and I was just like

55:11

feeling it. You know what I mean? I was into it. And

55:14

then, and then I really, really, really

55:16

enjoyed the DLC. I thought the DLC knocked it out

55:18

of the park in terms of grade or whatever it

55:20

was called. Yeah. And yeah, the

55:22

gameplay was just really, really fun. Well, then

55:25

you'll like because I mean, some of that

55:27

is in this for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Moving

55:29

on from there. So that's final fantasy seven

55:31

reviews done. It's doing well. People seem to

55:33

like it. Most from what I can tell.

55:35

I haven't heard any tweets

55:37

or anything that somebody spoiled all of it in

55:39

the review, which can happen. But I think at

55:41

this point, people are probably not watching anything. I

55:43

also noticed the views were low, which I was

55:45

telling the people behind the scenes. I was like,

55:47

yeah, it's typical. I think final fantasy is one of

55:50

the very few games out there. That people

55:52

really do put their money where their mouth is

55:54

on not watching any content. I very much

55:56

noticed it in the past with those games too.

55:58

That. It just sort

56:00

of has a very specific thing. 16

56:06

game me PTSD after the Final Fantasy 16

56:08

trailers and then after playing the game to

56:10

find out that they literally spoiled like every

56:13

boss fight. Almost

56:15

every boss fight after that I'm just

56:17

never for Final Fantasy 7. I

56:19

watched I think the beginning the reveal trailer

56:21

or whatever when when you know on games

56:23

fest or whatever the I think it was.

56:26

Or game awards and then I was like yep I'm good I'm

56:28

done I didn't I didn't watch the state of play I didn't

56:30

play the demo I know the demo is the beginning of the

56:33

game but it's like whatever I'll just play on it comes out.

56:35

I know I really is that way where people just

56:37

I mean there's a lot of games even you because

56:39

it's not this I could you know if I do

56:41

a yakuza I know almost not exactly what views I'll

56:43

get but I can sort of tell by just looking

56:45

at things. And do an SEO or

56:47

whatever and with Final Fantasy every time

56:49

I look I just sort of know

56:51

that's one of the few Sony exclusives a few exclusives

56:53

for console or whatever that I can just look at

56:55

and go a lot of people are just being this.

56:58

And they might argue about review scores

57:00

or whatever but they're not going to jump in and

57:02

they've been burned before to spoiling is quite easy because

57:05

some people think a spoiler is the name of the

57:07

game. You know so they'll just be

57:09

mad that you that that that clouds in

57:11

it and they find out they're like oh

57:13

my God since since like you know when

57:15

we make some out remasters or even the

57:17

mass effect like remaster comes out you gotta

57:19

understand there's new people playing games that they

57:22

haven't before. And I'm you know

57:24

overall usually it's like if you're spoiling a

57:26

really really old game that's whatever but when

57:28

a remake is coming out or remaster and

57:30

a lot of people are waiting for it

57:32

it's like that's you don't there's gonna still

57:35

be people that don't haven't played the old

57:37

game. Yeah, yeah, aside from that they also

57:39

again it's not like a full on one to

57:41

one remake you know there's a lot of things

57:43

are changed so there's a lot of things that

57:45

are changed or added in particular that

57:47

weren't in the original jumping from there

57:50

real quick about that poker game the rogue

57:52

like guys I just saw an update this

57:54

popped looks like about two hours ago ballot

57:56

throw is that the name but the line

57:58

throw okay. I sold 250,000 copies in 72 hours. Wow.

58:03

So for a small indie team, I bet

58:06

you that's like considered very, very good. Yeah.

58:08

I bet you they're very happy about that.

58:10

I also saw that total war as a total series

58:12

has sold 42 million. It's sort

58:14

of embarrassing that as a total series, they've sold 42

58:16

and GTA probably sold 42

58:19

million today. Be

58:22

that as a day. But good on them.

58:24

So let's talk about industry news for a

58:26

bit because guys, this is, this is exciting

58:28

to me, man. So I was telling these

58:30

guys before in the past couple of months,

58:33

I've been looking at like the industry and identifying some of

58:35

the trends that I thought were going to happen. And one

58:37

of them is basically companies

58:39

being a little quicker on the draw, especially as

58:41

they come out of the boom and into the

58:43

bubble and they start seeing the way things are

58:46

being done. And especially now we see Sega

58:48

and, uh, sorry, not Sega, but, uh, Microsoft

58:51

and Nintendo and Sony really changing up their

58:53

tunes on how they're going into the future,

58:55

but also just normal games and like, like,

58:58

you know, when silver was talking about Sea

59:00

of Thieves, cross play has been something we've

59:02

heard about, you know, there hasn't been cross

59:04

playing some steam to Epic versions or windows

59:06

and steam versions. So this is some of

59:08

the news that I thought was awesome. Mortal

59:11

Kombat one cross play will be included in

59:13

next week's patch supported between PlayStation five, Xbox

59:15

and PC, including steam and Epic stores. So

59:18

that's the first bit of news that I

59:20

thought was awesome. Yeah. So now we're seeing

59:22

like some of these games that have been

59:24

closed off, retroactive getting, yeah. And getting

59:26

that patched in and that also includes a

59:28

piece. Uh, is that peacemaker? Is that his

59:30

name? The new DLC, the John Cena character.

59:33

I think it's peacemaker or something like that.

59:35

That that'll include him. Yeah. Okay. And

59:38

then inflection for Nightingale. So

59:40

Nightingale launched and its main thing,

59:42

which was portalling between worlds is

59:44

the main thing that doesn't fucking

59:46

work. So one thing that's interested

59:48

in the game, it's the one thing, it's like the

59:50

same thing with Pacific drivers. Like, oh, you go into

59:52

like a map that would modifiers and stuff. That's the

59:54

one thing that got me interested. And then I heard

59:57

that it doesn't even work. And the

59:59

great thing is. as of yesterday they

1:00:01

announced now admittedly we'll talk about all this

1:00:03

but they announced that they're already have switched

1:00:05

gears and they will have an offline mode

1:00:08

so that was announced yesterday that they're programming

1:00:10

an offline mode they said we hear you blah

1:00:12

blah blah now I personally think that's bullshit

1:00:14

obviously they knew that ahead of time anybody would

1:00:16

know just as a gamer you know that

1:00:18

most people will want an offline mode especially

1:00:20

if you're hinging all this shit on the single

1:00:23

player or on the portals and it's all

1:00:25

your game is based online if you have the

1:00:27

ability to do an offline mode you should

1:00:29

just to make it easier last at the

1:00:31

epoch did it or epic epoch and it

1:00:34

obviously did well so that was really cool for

1:00:36

them to basically go out there and

1:00:38

say well cool a response what have you but

1:00:40

they did go out and say it I don't

1:00:43

know if we want to say that's cool or not but

1:00:46

it was nice to see some more cross play

1:00:48

being announced and just finding out that you know

1:00:50

last night I don't know it was

1:00:52

absy in there when we had the

1:00:54

yeah 45-minute debacle between game

1:00:57

dev and citizen sleep trying to get one

1:00:59

single game attacking going no

1:01:01

I don't think I was there it was

1:01:04

one of the most ruthless I came back

1:01:06

after it was horrifying man to

1:01:08

see them and they because it was PC and

1:01:10

was a PC and Xbox is that what it

1:01:12

was or is it just Xbox yeah and so

1:01:14

on or so on yeah there was all this

1:01:16

just all these difficulties and I just

1:01:19

don't have those usually because I know who's got it if

1:01:21

they're a reviewer and you're gonna play multiplayer you're sort of

1:01:23

set up with tears and it

1:01:25

was a reminder of what normal gamers you

1:01:27

know have to go through all the time all

1:01:30

the time like to listen to them not be

1:01:32

able to find that lobby or it wasn't working

1:01:34

or it would pop up and then work and

1:01:36

then go away while they were watching it they'd

1:01:38

be like lobbies created and it would just disappear

1:01:40

and they'd be like what's going on

1:01:42

right game I sorry the

1:01:44

scariest no it's right of a new multiplayer game

1:01:46

and not even crossplay is like

1:01:48

sending an invite to a friend and be

1:01:50

like hey did you yeah violence

1:01:53

right you know yeah that dude that's the scariest

1:01:55

thing every game you you don't know you know

1:01:57

especially if it's not like on using

1:01:59

the System or using like another some of its like

1:02:01

its own system. It's like is it in the game? Is

1:02:03

it in steam in the game? Where

1:02:07

did you send it to me? Do I

1:02:09

use my name the name of my Xbox

1:02:11

gamertag or the game store name or the

1:02:13

in-game game name? And you're just like yeah

1:02:16

60 days like Xbox live you just like

1:02:18

invite people to your party and then you

1:02:20

just like go hop into whatever game You

1:02:22

know usually just really they had a problem

1:02:24

even getting a party together like they had in

1:02:26

other games They were it was a

1:02:29

it was what it was a Johnny 45 minutes of

1:02:31

them having glitches and bugs at min. Oh,

1:02:33

yeah 45 minutes before and I'm not talking

1:02:35

by the way. I'm just stating That

1:02:38

kind of stuff this cross play that comes. I hope it

1:02:41

works easy That's the one

1:02:43

thing we're gonna see because cross play

1:02:45

being possible is one thing cross play

1:02:47

work work easily Yes,

1:02:50

I almost think they could like mark

1:02:53

it around that because remember when they

1:02:55

did the What

1:02:57

was the one where like a

1:02:59

smart buy or something where you

1:03:01

would buy the version for your

1:03:03

console? Us

1:03:06

you know what like anywhere or or

1:03:08

Oh smart delivery smart delivery smart delivery.

1:03:11

Thank you Yeah, no way like we

1:03:13

mocked it initially like what do you

1:03:15

mean smart? That's just trivial. That's obvious

1:03:18

But then of course PlayStation

1:03:20

shit the bed and they didn't

1:03:22

do it properly Sometimes you bought

1:03:24

the ps4 version in your

1:03:26

ps5 and then we said oh

1:03:28

actually smart delivery It's looking kind

1:03:31

of smart now. Yeah, so it's almost like

1:03:33

you know stuff we take for granted That's

1:03:35

one of those things where they could say

1:03:37

like it's a very good boy. I like

1:03:39

you just yeah I know you have one you

1:03:41

have one on a Smart and

1:03:44

dial it in yeah That

1:03:47

Would be amazing man that would be no no

1:03:49

no don't we're not talking about it. We're not

1:03:51

ever mission that word again Yeah,

1:03:54

that and that's what silver was saying a couple days

1:03:56

ago was like you know How is this gonna work

1:03:58

if there's no cross play they know? Crossplay and

1:04:00

then immediately my question the moment they announced it

1:04:02

was house cross play going to work You know

1:04:04

it's like the features there. Oh well

1:04:07

that brings up the other problem

1:04:10

which is how is it even going to work

1:04:12

together and is it going to because I mean

1:04:14

even between Epic store and PC you have issues

1:04:16

now It's one two three now admittedly Microsoft is

1:04:18

only want to see these games succeed so does

1:04:21

Nintendo so they're gonna work But that's the other

1:04:23

thing guys Nintendo Imagine

1:04:25

sending how do you send an invite?

1:04:27

Oh to somebody on the switch who

1:04:30

uses brain codes? Like what

1:04:32

do you do? I mean will it maybe just say pick your

1:04:35

platform you want to play against But then you're what if you

1:04:37

want to do? Yeah, man,

1:04:39

dude. Yeah, that's and then troubleshooting on

1:04:42

the switch Yeah, oh, no I

1:04:44

mean what is their troubleshooting on the switch or

1:04:46

is it just like it works or it doesn't

1:04:49

I don't do a lot It's just trouble without

1:04:51

the shooting Yeah, yeah

1:04:53

a lot of people in here are

1:04:55

saying the same thing that they were

1:04:57

in the chat and they saw it

1:04:59

Yeah, the chat was the chat was

1:05:01

absolutely an amazing time yesterday. We were

1:05:03

just Consonated just yeah, what did

1:05:05

you know I mean at the end? I got

1:05:07

frustrated and I was like because sleeve by the

1:05:09

way guys dev guy was already in a different

1:05:12

game a Complete he had given up

1:05:14

dev guy was in a completely different title

1:05:16

and sleeve didn't hear that And

1:05:18

so he kept trying for 20 minutes the

1:05:21

content kept talking in chat going so I'm trying I

1:05:23

can't see you bubble blonde Dev guy I guess didn't

1:05:25

pick up that he was in another game or that

1:05:27

that Sister sleep was still trying so it

1:05:29

was just that thing where finally I was like nope, we're done.

1:05:32

Just stop It's not working then right

1:05:34

at the end of the night. They got what

1:05:36

one two dev guys might maybe in chat talk

1:05:38

to me I think it was me fortified

1:05:41

matches of Gameplay

1:05:43

which is fine because once they got in it

1:05:45

worked perfectly which was great, you know, but

1:05:48

yeah cross play is gonna be awesome I mean, there's

1:05:50

all these companies are coming forward and starting to sort

1:05:52

of change things quickly, which is

1:05:54

which is definitely nice Did you guys see the

1:05:56

hell divers? The hell divers guys said we're

1:05:59

working with Sony Sony devs are helping him, which

1:06:02

by the way, should have been day one ignoring that.

1:06:04

But he said, just don't get the game right now.

1:06:06

And if you're mudding a title, yeah, I was like,

1:06:08

yeah, you should have said that day one, but whatever.

1:06:10

Yeah, that, uh, it was a good thing to say.

1:06:13

It's just like probably best. I

1:06:15

also saw their, their

1:06:17

community manager got, uh, banned by

1:06:19

discord for sending too many D

1:06:21

DMS and no,

1:06:23

right. Right. So he

1:06:25

was doing it for support reasons. Uh, so

1:06:27

he got auto banned by just, because they

1:06:30

thought he was a spam. Yeah.

1:06:33

Um, as he though, it told me, so

1:06:35

every experience I've had with hell divers, uh,

1:06:38

not everyone, sorry, most have had issues. Most of the people

1:06:40

have had issues, but Abizay was saying he's had two total

1:06:43

in the entire time, right? Yeah. I

1:06:45

got infected by Johnny's magical BC or

1:06:47

something. Um, I think he like,

1:06:49

he infected me through the podcast or something.

1:06:51

And suddenly my, my game, no, but I

1:06:54

crashed today. Um, I don't get blogging cues

1:06:56

at all. Other than like

1:06:58

the first day I played, but I guess I

1:07:00

got some pressure, but you thought it was your

1:07:02

server location, right? Yeah. And there's

1:07:04

still in-game bugs as well that I got. I

1:07:06

got one of them was when I spawned in

1:07:08

someone's ship, I was locked in like the Bay

1:07:11

area where you spawn. So it was locked and

1:07:13

I couldn't move. And another one was we were

1:07:15

all in a mission and, uh,

1:07:18

we are usually at the end of the mission when you

1:07:20

extract, you go to the, into the ship and the ship

1:07:22

takes off, but we were all trying to go into the

1:07:24

ship and the ship wouldn't accept us. So we just stayed

1:07:26

there before we died. We just kept killing ourselves

1:07:29

until we had no more reinforcements. Uh,

1:07:32

but, but, but thankfully, um, you

1:07:34

know, for democracy, they don't give a shit

1:07:36

if like the soldiers die. Yeah. You guys

1:07:38

lose your samples and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You

1:07:40

lose samples and you lose some, uh, XP

1:07:43

and stuff, but you, you still get the

1:07:45

mission done, so it's not a fairly, uh,

1:07:48

like, I mean, it's been working. We're ignoring

1:07:50

the bugs. I mean, getting in and playing has been

1:07:52

working. But sometimes I crashed at the end of a

1:07:54

game or, and it's been fun, man. I

1:08:00

joined your game a couple times. I think you were

1:08:02

playing with your dad, was it? The

1:08:04

spawn bug in the ship was patched today. I

1:08:06

actually, after the patch, I got that bug. So

1:08:08

what's up? What'd you say? Johnny and

1:08:11

you guys, you guys got to join up and play. You

1:08:13

said, uh, Johnny, Johnny.

1:08:15

And she's a just like, can you

1:08:17

just supporting? Yeah. Just full

1:08:19

immersive playing or me and my dad

1:08:22

would be playing and Johnny would just,

1:08:24

uh, I was like, Hey, it's my

1:08:26

job. My, I got my, my dad

1:08:28

to get it. So because it's cross

1:08:30

play. So, so your dad's late more

1:08:32

than his PSVR to come in

1:08:34

total. Yeah. He didn't even touch it. Yeah. He keeps

1:08:37

asking me, yo, do you want to bring it up?

1:08:39

I want to try something, but he's not gonna go

1:08:41

ahead. Johnny, what were you saying? No,

1:08:44

it was a fun experience because we, we weren't

1:08:46

talking. I was just like supporting

1:08:49

cause I didn't want to like

1:08:52

use super, you know, like high

1:08:54

level tech or anything to

1:08:56

like, yeah. But, uh, but it was really

1:08:59

fun. I was just like supporting and okay,

1:09:01

we're going here. I'm helping out. I'm covering

1:09:03

you. It's cool. It was cool. Yeah. My,

1:09:05

but he'd like bring out like an orbital

1:09:08

laser beam or some shit. That's

1:09:12

very cool. Yeah.

1:09:14

That's awesome. And it's great to hear games, you

1:09:16

know, be able to be gamed. I

1:09:18

don't know why I would say that out loud. So

1:09:21

the biggest impressive thing about it, I thought I

1:09:23

would have an issue with the, the, the, the

1:09:25

idea that you need a squad or whatever, but,

1:09:28

um, maybe I'm lucky, but matchmaking

1:09:30

has been really good in the sense that

1:09:33

I just meet players, usually they're cool, they're

1:09:35

chill and, and they even talk. And you

1:09:37

know, it reminds me of Xbox live days.

1:09:39

Cause like I made a friend and we,

1:09:41

we played a couple of missions together and

1:09:43

stuff and it was like, all right, peace

1:09:45

out, man. And you know, it doesn't happen

1:09:47

in games often because a lot of games

1:09:49

are, are coming out, don't require much communication.

1:09:52

Uh, they're not geared towards the, like the team play

1:09:54

squad play. And usually if they are

1:09:56

matchmaking, isn't that good. But here I've been, you know, I've

1:09:58

been having a lot with that. Thankfully, a

1:10:00

lot of good games that are

1:10:02

paid a three release without a voice chat.

1:10:05

Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:08

I think the one, you know, it's unfortunate because

1:10:10

no matter what hell divers does now, it will

1:10:13

never achieve whenever it could have achieved had it

1:10:15

worked. So, you know, that that's not

1:10:17

how numbers work. It's nice to see

1:10:19

him doing well. There's a lot of games that are going

1:10:21

to come along and replace it as we've seen with every

1:10:23

game this year. You know, we were talking about that. I

1:10:26

can't remember what it was. But a couple of us were

1:10:28

in chat. Somebody brought up a game that I've forgotten. We've

1:10:30

come out this year and it was really good. They were

1:10:32

like, we've already moved on. We moved on. You know, it's

1:10:34

the moving on thing is real. So you got to hit

1:10:36

it day one. So other companies looking at Nightingale type of

1:10:39

situations, negative, man. Nope. You have to have

1:10:41

that. You do not patch it in later. It has

1:10:43

to work. Like it has to work. Yeah. And that

1:10:45

brings me up an odd discussion. I want

1:10:47

to hear. We won't be dicks about

1:10:49

it, but I want to hear the true honest opinion

1:10:51

from you guys. So, hell

1:10:54

divers were talking about the difficulty that we're

1:10:56

having. Some other devs were saying, here's the

1:10:58

difficulties we've had. See a thieves developers posted

1:11:00

on all the stuff. Some really good thoughts

1:11:02

about behind the scenes. Now, anybody who didn't

1:11:05

have a bad situation wasn't on that thread

1:11:07

because it was a thread about here's

1:11:09

the issue you can have. So

1:11:12

I just want to point something out for 20

1:11:14

years. We've been having these issues. Some MMOs launch and

1:11:16

they don't have very many issues. Some have an issue

1:11:18

for a day or so. And you sort of expect

1:11:21

it. And these

1:11:23

people said they had box written scripts.

1:11:25

They had, you know, they queued up 100,000 users. I

1:11:27

think it was, but that was the max, which seems

1:11:29

like a low number, especially for this game. 100 a

1:11:32

test for 100,000. 150

1:11:36

seems very low for the concurrent that they have.

1:11:39

Here's the thing, though. I understand

1:11:41

all that and I'm empathetic towards

1:11:43

it. But at some point, how

1:11:47

many decades do we have to go?

1:11:51

How many decades do we as gamers,

1:11:53

the longer you play the more accrued

1:11:55

woes you have? How many

1:11:57

more times and how many more games do we just have

1:11:59

to go? to say, well, that's, that's

1:12:01

how they, that's how it happens. That's the reality of

1:12:03

the thing. Like it's, it's every time you're going to

1:12:06

have a new code base, it's going to be a

1:12:08

new unique game and it's going to present new challenges,

1:12:10

I think. And my question is, are we just going,

1:12:12

is it something where we have to say for the

1:12:14

rest of our lives, it will never be fixed to

1:12:16

never being fixed. I think we do have titles where

1:12:19

it is working day one, because

1:12:21

my personal opinion is I would

1:12:23

love a company and I'm talking out my ass

1:12:25

in, because I don't think one exists, but one

1:12:27

may. I would love a company

1:12:29

to accelerate their own habit, almost like

1:12:32

an engine, like on wheel, but

1:12:34

they have a test, something there. And we know

1:12:36

testing groups do have something like this, but

1:12:38

where they're known as a certification

1:12:40

group where they can say, we

1:12:42

have certified your servers for 500,000 concurrent players.

1:12:46

Or we, you know what I mean? Like a

1:12:48

third party that comes in and I don't need

1:12:50

to see the certification. I'm just saying it would

1:12:52

be nice because. We're

1:12:54

at a time where there's so many games being

1:12:56

released that I don't think even the developers want

1:12:58

to say anymore, it just happens. Nobody

1:13:00

wants to say it just happens. The purchaser

1:13:02

doesn't cause I'm not a lender. I buy

1:13:04

things there. I'm not as charity when I buy

1:13:06

something, it should work day one. No issues. That's the way

1:13:09

it's supposed to be. And what I,

1:13:11

it would be nice. And I don't know if this

1:13:13

is happening possibly is, I mean, we have testing groups

1:13:15

you can hire, you know, where they go and they

1:13:17

test your game, QA groups I've worked for digital QA

1:13:19

before for a couple of games. That kind

1:13:21

of stuff happens. I don't know

1:13:23

if it's possible, but it does feel like

1:13:25

it's needed because so many games are launching

1:13:28

with issues and you're just like, okay, where

1:13:30

are we with this? Why is it? You

1:13:32

know, entropy is a bitch, you know, chaos is

1:13:34

a bitch. We've talked about it before. Yeah. Yeah.

1:13:37

Like, let's say like the certification company has its

1:13:39

bots or whatever to test these things and certify,

1:13:41

but then somehow some interaction

1:13:43

with like real life people or something

1:13:45

someone's done cause some, I have no

1:13:48

idea. You know, that's true,

1:13:50

but there are some baseline things that you

1:13:52

can 100%

1:13:54

you know, verify like people logging

1:13:56

into your service.

1:14:00

the sign on organization. That's

1:14:02

something you absolutely can and

1:14:04

we talked about third-party verification

1:14:06

or like you know in

1:14:09

the past where that would actually

1:14:11

mean quite a lot if you had

1:14:13

a third party coming in and have

1:14:15

something official where they say this has

1:14:17

been verified by an

1:14:20

external process external to the

1:14:22

company and it could

1:14:24

also be something that like

1:14:27

stakeholders require.

1:14:29

So imagine they're working with a

1:14:31

publisher and they're saying we're putting

1:14:33

out this online game we have

1:14:35

this budget behind it we expect you

1:14:37

know this many players day one

1:14:39

the game needs to be certified for

1:14:42

at least blah number of players

1:14:44

to log in at least. I

1:14:48

think the the surefire like the surefire

1:14:50

way to combat that problem for a

1:14:52

game like this is to

1:14:54

have like a fail-safe

1:14:56

like offline mode or peer-to-peer

1:14:59

hosting you know what I

1:15:01

mean just like if the servers are. A

1:15:03

rollover host all that. So

1:15:06

listen to this Johnny just hit something that's

1:15:08

interesting an investor recently did an interview where

1:15:10

they were asking them how gaming publishing has

1:15:12

changed and investing has changed and

1:15:14

he said that's actually one of the things popping

1:15:16

up it used to be do you have a

1:15:18

good idea here's a couple million and he was

1:15:20

explaining he has invested many times

1:15:23

in an idea and a developer that

1:15:25

they liked he said that is

1:15:27

completely changed now there are so many

1:15:29

games that now it is have you already tested

1:15:31

it what do you have do you have a

1:15:33

demo have you have you used unreal to you

1:15:35

know put up a short idea so that we

1:15:37

can get that who do you have on board

1:15:39

already blah blah blah and the the requirement for

1:15:41

the investment has dramatically risen in the last year

1:15:44

so I actually think those

1:15:46

investors you know the you know when you go

1:15:48

to borrow money for your game those

1:15:51

guys might just start doing that maybe they'll you know

1:15:53

work with with companies do it but and there'll always

1:15:55

be somebody out there who's like well nothing's perfect no

1:15:57

nothing is perfect but I would say we're so far

1:15:59

away. from perfect that if

1:16:01

you're trying to tell me there's no improvement

1:16:03

here any progress in that

1:16:06

direction would be a probably a noticeable step forward

1:16:08

because we did just recently have three or four

1:16:10

huge games with huge issues and so yes it

1:16:12

would be nice you know to sort of to

1:16:15

see that and Microsoft has issues and they have

1:16:17

a testing suite and they have their own entire

1:16:19

you know I mean they are as your or

1:16:22

whatever their their AWS or I can't remember which

1:16:24

one they run but they you know they have

1:16:26

that but they have their their thing and and

1:16:30

all of these companies have different server banks that they can go

1:16:32

with it'd be nice to just see a little bit of a

1:16:35

you know a step forward a step in a

1:16:37

more stable direction I like Abzi's idea that

1:16:39

you basically said you want to continue to

1:16:41

log in through the public server or attempt

1:16:43

or would you rather do offline they

1:16:45

all need offline modes I think and then or

1:16:48

would you rather attempt to roll over to appear

1:16:50

to appear and just you know in

1:16:52

some of the things like updating like the

1:16:55

maybe they could do like a separate

1:16:57

server or separate small server

1:16:59

for updating like you

1:17:01

know how they have a whole map and how much

1:17:04

how much the planet is liberated or something could go

1:17:06

through like a different pipeline into

1:17:08

the I don't know I don't know my

1:17:10

excuse for helldivers will always be that and

1:17:13

it's not an excuse but I'm gonna say it's

1:17:15

an excuse because everybody's gonna excuse helldiver who likes

1:17:17

it everybody who doesn't is gonna say there's no

1:17:19

excuse so I'll say even though I don't like

1:17:21

it my excuse for it is that it is

1:17:23

showing you a bunch of stuff and

1:17:25

it's very cool to be on your ship and

1:17:27

you can see those those specials being used and

1:17:29

all that that's a very that's that's the magic

1:17:32

that's what I love the fiction selling that

1:17:34

something's happening it's not just a front end

1:17:36

fucking screen and then you're in the world

1:17:38

and then you're out at a screen it's

1:17:40

like yeah yeah it's very cool that's one

1:17:42

of the best about

1:17:46

helldivers I think I think it's awesome

1:17:48

like that even watching it sorry

1:17:50

yeah go for it no and it's really cool like if

1:17:52

you're on a planet and you select the permission on that

1:17:55

planet you can like stay there and see the ship traveling

1:17:57

to there and you can see like other oh that

1:17:59

is We have players ships there and

1:18:01

stuff. Yeah, that is like we are all

1:18:04

working for the same cause or something like

1:18:06

that Yeah, jonas five dollars super chat the

1:18:08

a-team. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

1:18:10

So yeah, so I think

1:18:12

that I'm looking for for for my

1:18:15

party like the the preponderance of games

1:18:17

actually kind of makes it easier

1:18:20

for me to like accept Survey

1:18:23

issues like hail divers because I can just

1:18:25

move on to something else while While

1:18:28

while it gets fixed and while I then wait like I

1:18:30

haven't played it at all this week Because

1:18:33

I kept getting into server queues and I just

1:18:35

didn't want to bother waiting So I just played

1:18:37

other stuff like scalding bones or whatever But

1:18:40

at what point does it become buying and

1:18:43

waiting versus waiting to buy? Because

1:18:47

I think that's the big thing these companies don't want they

1:18:49

don't want you to wait to buy They want it to

1:18:51

work day one and the consumer wants to work day one.

1:18:54

So fomo is for you Yes, so

1:18:56

I mean for sure that's what they want. I

1:18:58

don't mean I don't I don't think there's any

1:19:00

doubt that Arrowhead

1:19:02

didn't want yeah I've

1:19:04

seen people be like lazy dads and i'm all yeah.

1:19:07

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. They didn't want this

1:19:09

outcome. Yeah Not at all. No I'm

1:19:12

just wondering how's it yeah Sorry,

1:19:14

just the meeting with the with the

1:19:16

reality of Of the real

1:19:18

world where you can certainly you has you

1:19:21

certainly have the right for expectations and Pretty

1:19:23

dissatisfaction when those expectations are meant you have

1:19:25

a right to expect a product you've bought

1:19:27

to be delivered within the time That's been

1:19:29

promised but then all sorts of things can

1:19:31

happen with the production pipeline that can Yeah,

1:19:34

that can mess that up. Like maybe there's a strike

1:19:37

Maybe there's a storm or whatever that interferes

1:19:39

with With the delivery service

1:19:41

or whatever it is like a thousand things

1:19:43

can happen that messes up that

1:19:46

that entire algorithm Uh,

1:19:48

so that that's something that you all have

1:19:50

that that we're kind of forced to take

1:19:52

into account as we And if

1:19:54

we keep getting frustrated and angry when

1:19:56

when those expectations even if there was

1:19:58

expectations are reasonable aren't met, that's

1:20:01

going to impact our mental health. And so

1:20:03

that's one of the reasons why I guess

1:20:05

I'm, I tend

1:20:07

to lean on the side of being more forgiving

1:20:09

towards it. Because

1:20:13

if I wasn't so forgiving towards it, I would be

1:20:15

angry and frustrating all the time, because it happens so

1:20:17

frequently that, that's

1:20:21

something you should respect, you

1:20:23

should probably expect working or something gets

1:20:26

interfered with for some reason that is

1:20:28

beyond your control or even beyond the

1:20:30

control of the person responsible for delivering

1:20:32

it to you. Yeah, I also-

1:20:35

I think the big

1:20:37

thing- Oh, I also, just one quick thing, I

1:20:40

also think, obviously being frustrated that you can't

1:20:42

play the game you bought, I completely respect

1:20:45

that. But it's just like

1:20:47

when people start playing the blame game and start

1:20:49

like inventing a blame man, like, hey, fuck

1:20:51

this guy, CEO or whatever, or dev or whatever,

1:20:53

that's when it shit gets murky. You know what

1:20:55

I mean? Man, you know,

1:20:58

it's not, you can't really blame one person

1:21:00

or one thing. No, and I think that's why,

1:21:03

because frustration or

1:21:05

apathy, and we are getting to the point

1:21:07

of apathy, where people are just going to not buy.

1:21:10

And that is what nobody wants. Consumer

1:21:12

doesn't want it, because they want a good game and they want to

1:21:14

be able to buy it, and the developer wants you to get

1:21:16

it. And what's funny is Johnny mentioned

1:21:19

the algorithm, Helldivers

1:21:21

was number one in every SEO department

1:21:23

you could check. Like they knew it

1:21:25

was doing well, they had

1:21:27

wish lists, it was like, but the

1:21:29

actual precursor to this doing

1:21:31

well was insanely instantly known. It was

1:21:33

also their first attempt at a PC,

1:21:36

PlayStation crossover, and

1:21:39

instant release day and date, they should have

1:21:41

taken and made sure that it was in

1:21:44

this particular state. They tried, they

1:21:46

attempted, it didn't work. What I

1:21:48

am bothered by, and what

1:21:51

has caused apathy in me, I get frustrated at

1:21:53

everything, because honest truth is, if we say it's

1:21:55

okay, I'm saying It's

1:21:57

okay with microtransactions, it's okay that this has a bad...

1:22:00

Decide family at I'm pretty soon. I feel like

1:22:02

I'm just saying everything's ok for average yes and

1:22:04

we're in the same. Bullshit. But

1:22:07

what? What happens here is they

1:22:09

tested it and it didn't work. Have another game

1:22:11

to me. I. Hope. Whatever.

1:22:14

Happened with this one everybody is getting

1:22:16

together and same How do we not

1:22:18

have this happen. In. This

1:22:21

the same way I felt with that

1:22:23

Halo Master Chief Edition which was just

1:22:25

terrible. Like Halo Master Yeah, yeah, she

1:22:27

was one of them. A good Unacceptable

1:22:29

releases I've ever seen my life. I'm

1:22:31

you're Unity has been patched up. but

1:22:34

Assassin's Creed Unity was that when someone

1:22:36

holds big small developers are the family

1:22:38

man every length hit. our in advance

1:22:40

servers were complete total shambles. Yeah, even

1:22:42

though that game should ostensibly also be

1:22:44

have enough land known as it does

1:22:46

not, it requires you to be online

1:22:48

to play it and to. Retain.

1:22:51

Your progress in items as.and servers

1:22:53

and release of Hitman three were

1:22:55

incomplete. Shadow, my friend. And

1:22:58

and I mean I get again,

1:23:00

not Marvel's Avengers matchmaking. Complete Bs

1:23:02

and for months. Yeah, From onto

1:23:04

that, For. That I.

1:23:07

It's just like it so often.

1:23:09

and like you said, it's been

1:23:11

so often for twenty years. That

1:23:14

yeah I guess apathy has said in

1:23:16

for me at that point via where

1:23:19

I've become numb to it because if

1:23:21

I didn't become numb to it, I

1:23:23

would just be frustrated all the time

1:23:25

at. At. At that.

1:23:28

At the at the State. Of. Colleges.

1:23:33

To cognitive argue the dog here. Silver

1:23:35

love silver barons like that as much

1:23:37

as a surprise basketball games but I

1:23:39

can I can in yeah I would

1:23:41

agree with on that. I could be

1:23:43

popular. I think. also as abs he

1:23:45

said in cook the you know I'd agree even

1:23:47

same reviews lot of times his. House

1:23:49

This might be some his first experience

1:23:52

with itself. Their yes variants to be

1:23:54

different and they could have no apathy.

1:23:56

August they could be a so stun

1:23:58

something doesn't work that then it burn

1:24:00

them horrendously. which is what I just

1:24:03

experience with a with a bad. But.

1:24:05

The other one nightingale for somebody brought up night

1:24:07

gallon. it was their first like mm oh style

1:24:09

online game. now I'm and they just put their

1:24:12

foot down there like a bit like a not

1:24:14

buying another game like that ever again in turn

1:24:16

like there's a guarantee of something and the advertiser

1:24:18

in came up. Early. Access. You

1:24:20

guys know I'm just not in love

1:24:22

with it, but there is the idea

1:24:24

of a lot of game developers are

1:24:26

doing that a. The. Game and get

1:24:29

three days early access. you know by the premium

1:24:31

edition. I hate that so much I hate as

1:24:33

oh my god I hate it More than like

1:24:35

giving him and Games the Us I will. I

1:24:37

cannot know, I just couldn't say I absolutely hate

1:24:39

it. but you know some Debs are you are

1:24:41

just some publisher sorry Endeavours are using that to

1:24:44

test. But what's weird is you pay more to

1:24:46

play early to not be able to play. Which.

1:24:48

Is the mucked up again? I just

1:24:50

about. that's that's the state of gaming.

1:24:53

You pay more to jump into a

1:24:55

game you can't play soccer. Beta testing

1:24:57

for three days for other people. Say

1:25:00

at such a weird situation that we're in,

1:25:02

go ahead as a feel free as is

1:25:04

the reason I had a way more than

1:25:06

like a normal premium additions riga like and

1:25:08

game whatever as he adds up cause like

1:25:10

what am I what am I like my

1:25:12

favorite things and games just like the day

1:25:14

one you know the game is released, everyone

1:25:17

wants the play playing at all to grab

1:25:19

the of that community aspect than just but

1:25:21

paying more for early access. I just it's

1:25:23

just the were some this was the worst

1:25:25

I think and here's a thing. add that

1:25:27

to the list of maybe we'll ignore it

1:25:29

and now. We're saying I'll ignore early access, I'll

1:25:31

ignore these are ignore And pretty soon I don't

1:25:33

even feel I mean the industry anymore because I've

1:25:35

had two weeks or so much shit. That and.

1:25:40

Snake supported i just want to see fixes in

1:25:42

Pawnee had brought up the certification thing. Two

1:25:44

weeks ago Or a week ago and I do

1:25:46

believe that that's of you know at their I'm

1:25:48

sure it's happening. By the way, I'm just saying

1:25:50

times I I would assume Sony. Microsoft.

1:25:53

nintendo they're doing this cross play games i'm assuming

1:25:55

right so i'll make an an ass of myself

1:25:58

but i'm assuming everybody's looking at this going Okay,

1:26:02

we really got to figure out even

1:26:04

more and you know, you said this

1:26:06

game is let's say you certified this game We've tested

1:26:09

with a hundred thousand. Here's my personal opinion. Uh-huh test

1:26:11

every game with a million I don't care if it's

1:26:13

a fucking indie game like over shoot it Yeah, just

1:26:15

overshoot and be like let's see if the seller on

1:26:18

you know Crappy seller on PC

1:26:20

server can run this and just

1:26:22

hit the button and be because then you

1:26:24

have practice You know you've got so far

1:26:26

above that's some really good stories though If

1:26:28

anybody gets a chance check out that Twitter

1:26:30

about hell divers that some really good They

1:26:32

were explaining how their backups got behind even

1:26:35

and they had to do something else which sounds

1:26:37

like it actually worked But um, there's some really

1:26:39

good data in and sometimes even when you think

1:26:41

you have all your docs in a row And

1:26:44

they're every and everything looks to be in order You

1:26:47

hit release date and yeah Yeah,

1:26:49

just full support But I feel like the

1:26:52

status quo right now is we will try

1:26:54

our best and we hope the game works

1:26:57

But we're sorry if it doesn't and

1:26:59

we'll work hard to bring it back up

1:27:02

That's sort of like everybody's PR line

1:27:04

right now But I

1:27:07

agree with Carrick. I'm also frankly, you

1:27:10

know pretty tired of it It's not that

1:27:12

I I blame devs or anything. It's that

1:27:14

I think we need better systems Yeah,

1:27:16

it's so it's not like this

1:27:18

case or this game It's better systems

1:27:20

in general for people to follow so

1:27:22

that we have better getting guarantees You

1:27:25

know better chances that it will actually

1:27:27

work chances, right Johnny and the other

1:27:29

thing Johnny too is like the cloud

1:27:31

You know Xbox and PlayStation have cloud

1:27:33

now. They're both streaming. They're doing all

1:27:35

this Well, you got to make sure that's working

1:27:37

you got I mean everything's online now So it's

1:27:39

like let's move all of the testing to set

1:27:41

to a higher degree Especially if these companies are

1:27:43

announcing record gains and I know some people say

1:27:45

oh they laid off people and you find out

1:27:47

they laid Off a group that wasn't really connected

1:27:49

with this thing over here But if that game

1:27:51

is coming out and you're getting pre-sales on it

1:27:53

stuff like that You got to make sure to

1:27:55

put some money into that testing get that thing

1:27:58

fucking working day one. I mean One

1:28:00

of the worst examples is Microsoft, you know, with a

1:28:02

couple of their titles and now Sony's hit an issue.

1:28:05

Luckily, they've got it working and Abzi, like

1:28:07

he said, he had it working almost the

1:28:09

entire time. So it's obvious that it was

1:28:11

able to get some people in, which is

1:28:13

the best part, you know, but more people

1:28:15

want in. And I'm sure the devs didn't

1:28:17

want my return of the title. You

1:28:20

know what I mean? They didn't want

1:28:22

to have to see that somebody has returned

1:28:24

that title. But moving on from there, it's

1:28:26

good, man. I mean, it sucks, but if

1:28:29

they learn from it, it's a good learning experience

1:28:31

if they learn from it. And it sucks for

1:28:33

consumers, and I want it to end ASAP.

1:28:36

So I just don't think it's that simple.

1:28:38

I think it's going to keep happening a lot.

1:28:42

I don't think it's simple at all.

1:28:44

Yeah, no, like I just don't think

1:28:46

I just I don't know. You're saying

1:28:48

you think it just won't ever get

1:28:50

better. Yeah, I even have

1:28:52

defended Blizzard out of all people from

1:28:55

this because like every single time it's like, yeah,

1:28:57

guys, if they had the means, they would have

1:28:59

done it by now. Like, I just don't think

1:29:01

they don't. I don't know if

1:29:03

they'll spend money on it, Abzi. I truly am wondering

1:29:06

how much. Why wouldn't they? Exactly. That's

1:29:08

the question. Why wouldn't they? But

1:29:11

it's obvious. I think it's just like

1:29:13

issues, like back-end issues every time, just

1:29:16

unique issues with the code base and the scaling

1:29:18

servers. There has to be a different way to

1:29:20

deliver the games than it has to be demos.

1:29:23

Then they have to switch everybody. I don't know. What

1:29:26

if you had a rule? If you have an online

1:29:28

game that's for sale prior to it going live, you have to

1:29:30

have a demo for a week. I'm saying there will never be

1:29:32

a rule like this. Even

1:29:34

consumers could expect that before too and

1:29:36

still face server issues. And it's all

1:29:38

fixed things now. See, that's the

1:29:40

thing. Yes, what I'm saying is we are at such

1:29:43

a low level that even a

1:29:45

small step in progress would probably

1:29:47

be massively noticeable. And

1:29:49

that's the issue I have, is that instead of

1:29:51

just saying, at some

1:29:53

point – dude, I mean we're

1:29:55

talking about this all the time. For the

1:29:58

last four years, this has been – well, and then – even

1:30:00

prior to being on the podcast. It's just

1:30:02

been a thing. I mean, at

1:30:04

some point, if I went to a movie and

1:30:06

that fucking movie didn't play, I'd be

1:30:09

pissed. And that thing only cost

1:30:11

me $10. So, of

1:30:13

course. Movie guys.

1:30:15

I don't think what you're saying is opposed

1:30:17

to Carrick's point

1:30:19

of view. I think you're saying- I don't think I was

1:30:22

opposed to his point of view. I'm just saying that I'm

1:30:24

more pessimistic on the- Yeah,

1:30:27

but I think, let

1:30:29

me try to have a go at this. Cause like

1:30:31

my read from what you're saying is like, if

1:30:35

there was some hanging fruit solution,

1:30:38

they just would have done it. That, you know,

1:30:40

they would have found it and would have fixed

1:30:42

the problem. But that

1:30:44

is not exclusive to, that doesn't

1:30:47

exclude the, let's

1:30:49

have a crack at making

1:30:51

it better. Even if it's a very hard

1:30:54

problem and we- No.

1:30:57

I'm not saying they have tried to make

1:30:59

it better. I am saying- You didn't hear

1:31:01

us. We distinctly said they have tried. We

1:31:04

want them to try more and put more

1:31:06

money into those systems as they continue to

1:31:08

move worldwide online. Yeah,

1:31:10

I think they'll continue to do that. I just don't

1:31:12

think the problem will be eliminated. No,

1:31:15

but I said that. I think we'll still be saying the

1:31:17

same, like having the same- Like, they're gonna try more and

1:31:19

then we're gonna be like, well, they should have tried even

1:31:21

more. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that's a progressive

1:31:23

desire to have your shit work, day one. Sure.

1:31:26

No, but they're not gonna- But

1:31:29

it'll still see improvement, which is what we're saying.

1:31:31

So it is an exclusive. And

1:31:33

I'm not even saying it will get massively better,

1:31:35

but even a small step would appear massively better

1:31:37

and certainly would allow for a game like Helldivers

1:31:39

to have its actual concurrent player base be accurate

1:31:42

to the people who fucking wanna play it. And

1:31:44

we have had games that have had an issue

1:31:46

day one and pretty much got it solidified and

1:31:48

things go and get working. All

1:31:50

we're saying is that, and

1:31:53

I'm the first one who will admit, You

1:31:55

can just look at some financials from some companies

1:31:57

and you can see they didn't spend a bunch

1:31:59

on an online- Server caffeine or network

1:32:01

in for and you're like you'd what we've

1:32:03

had late years later where developers have talked

1:32:05

openly that they had an online game that

1:32:08

came out and they weren't given near enough

1:32:10

money. To prep. That get there's

1:32:12

which is why. say don't blame the dabs

1:32:14

don't blame anybody Get any can a structure

1:32:16

identification and like a part of your dna

1:32:18

that if we're going to do this but

1:32:20

we the ugh as actually openly state that

1:32:22

they did that they knew. With.

1:32:24

What they had money wise and the testing

1:32:26

that they were given it was nowhere near

1:32:28

what was what was needed. The

1:32:30

I to put up a foreigner. Like.

1:32:33

Are offline mode or appeared a beard stuff I

1:32:35

moan about our but I think from yeah no

1:32:37

no I wasn't very good fall the way I

1:32:39

like the idea of all the back to peer

1:32:42

to peer to actually do. I know it sucks

1:32:44

because we've seen peer to peer have it's own

1:32:46

issues. The upon cast shit were young

1:32:48

players that are. Table and like you'd win

1:32:50

or whatever. and gears and all the old weird

1:32:52

shit that would happen. Yeah.

1:32:55

We're just in such a tremendous time and

1:32:57

with so many of these big games and

1:32:59

as we move forward, every developer. I

1:33:01

mean it's a feels like every developer wants an

1:33:03

online mode. And if you want it

1:33:06

you got a deliberate because there is also

1:33:08

competition and I want to see. Good.

1:33:10

Game so we can make a decision in the good

1:33:12

game. Not the game that might be good, but a

1:33:14

campaign which is really frustrating. It's really

1:33:16

frustrating. Be like this game is good.

1:33:19

manipulates, Mean. That as a terrible things like

1:33:21

is at it's only get worse than the game not

1:33:23

coming out yet. Is. Being like yeah, when

1:33:25

it works, it's good. Just like. It's

1:33:28

it's such a harsh way for an industry

1:33:30

to run and. We. Definitely run

1:33:32

her because you feel like you're locked outside

1:33:34

of the house knocking. paying story but want

1:33:36

to know them out is comfortable. Your.

1:33:38

Legs are tired near like do not really wanting

1:33:40

this out because I know that couches comfortable but

1:33:43

the couch didn't load because you're playing the Sims

1:33:45

and the couch just doesn't pop up. Moving

1:33:47

on from there though. I'm. Both

1:33:50

Indio st Be Brought Galactic

1:33:52

has thrived. Ptp. yep

1:33:56

illustrate a beer yeah i grabbed him rock

1:33:58

is only four players though So

1:34:00

there's a difference between like let's say a larger

1:34:02

lobby game, but yeah for sure. Helldivers

1:34:04

too, yeah. Helldivers

1:34:07

too or Helldivers as well. Helldivers

1:34:09

one. Well as well, yeah, yeah. They could do

1:34:12

that probably because of the four man. But

1:34:15

yeah, I mean Deeprock is a very

1:34:17

good example because Deeprock is like

1:34:20

reminiscent of Helldivers in that aspect. I

1:34:23

mean speaking of talking about- My recollection

1:34:26

never really had server issues, but Deeprock

1:34:29

also didn't hit it out of the

1:34:31

gate like Helldivers. Well here's a company

1:34:33

that we know somewhere, publisher, developer, didn't

1:34:35

spend enough and that's Payday 3. Right.

1:34:40

I mean that is absolutely one that you

1:34:42

can look at and go, yep, that

1:34:44

one. I mean they didn't, you know, it wasn't

1:34:47

even- Also with Payday 3, the assets have an

1:34:49

offline mode, which they now have said that they're

1:34:51

going to include. Yeah, so

1:34:53

that's the other thing I was talking about and the positive

1:34:55

part of this is I do like the companies, you know,

1:34:58

I wish they'd do it day one, but they're turning around.

1:35:00

How long has Payday 3 been out? Like

1:35:03

that released what? October?

1:35:06

Oh, what the fuck? So three months. So

1:35:08

three months and then they say we're going to do- Well

1:35:11

five months. Five months,

1:35:13

oh sorry. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I

1:35:16

don't know. I missed December and November in

1:35:19

that math translation. Yeah. Yeah.

1:35:21

Moving on from there and looking at our

1:35:23

Discord and stuff, we have a bunch of

1:35:25

people asking questions, but we also had some

1:35:27

subjects from these fine gentlemen, including

1:35:31

Skull and Bones, we're done with that, but Abzi

1:35:34

wanted to talk about the game with possibly the

1:35:36

worst name ever. Might be the worst

1:35:38

name ever. It's Riot- Oh my god. 2XKO. Yeah,

1:35:42

what the fuck, dude? I mean the game

1:35:44

looks awesome. It's a fighting game with

1:35:47

League of Legends characters and it looks great, but

1:35:49

I don't know what the hell they were smoking

1:35:51

for that name. Does that have all the characters?

1:35:53

Like does Ab- I don't know if it has

1:35:55

every single character. No, no, no, probably not out

1:35:58

of the box. That would be awesome. But

1:36:00

like I mean it looks great, but

1:36:03

the man I'm guessing it's KO like

1:36:05

you know knockout KO And

1:36:07

2x maybe is like a signifies like

1:36:10

a tag team Battle thing

1:36:12

with just like Marvel versus oh like

1:36:14

I promise is like versus to maybe

1:36:16

but I don't know why That doesn't even sound like

1:36:18

a riot game. They have no it doesn't They

1:36:24

could have just called it League of Fighters dude, yeah,

1:36:26

so they have valor and to write Yeah

1:36:30

balance fine League of Legends. Yeah, I don't know

1:36:32

what the hell they were smoking You know what

1:36:34

maybe that's a placeholder name. Do you know how

1:36:36

they say like projects? Phoenix

1:36:40

it was named project L But

1:36:43

they were like no now we reveal like

1:36:45

they put out a trailer and they're like then

1:36:47

the game name is to XKO Wow

1:36:51

project L is to XKO. So I'm

1:36:53

like what the it's worse than What

1:36:56

is that one called the project triangle strategy?

1:36:58

Yeah Some

1:37:02

like you want no it type of

1:37:04

name. Sorry, that's alright. Go

1:37:07

ahead. No, no Yeah,

1:37:12

I would just say that um, I People

1:37:15

are saying it's official is the name is

1:37:17

it called riots to XKO or

1:37:19

is it called to XKO? It's just to XKO

1:37:22

Yeah Because

1:37:24

if like rise isn't the name I was

1:37:26

supposed to say maybe they were inspired by

1:37:28

something like Marvel versus Capcom Yeah,

1:37:31

that's what I was Basically just

1:37:33

markets its name as oh

1:37:35

right as it's franchise it like characters from his

1:37:38

franchise Yeah, they call it riots to XKO It'd

1:37:40

still be a terrible name, but at

1:37:42

least I would know it was a riot game

1:37:44

because I agree I actually didn't know until you

1:37:46

said that so yeah, but you say you want

1:37:48

to play to us Yeah, what's it look like

1:37:51

like what game like a kind

1:37:53

of like guilty gear in a way? I know

1:37:55

like a little guy like it. Yeah, I would

1:37:57

like a lead like, you know with league legends

1:38:00

kind of art style and

1:38:02

then it hit

1:38:05

and stuff into combos looks looks fun.

1:38:08

AKB welcome to the YouTube membership. Thank

1:38:10

you very much. So Johnny you've seen

1:38:12

this as well and you're a League

1:38:14

fan so is this grabbing it? Yeah

1:38:16

they put like a mini demo of

1:38:18

it in the client itself so when

1:38:20

you like went to play League of

1:38:22

Legends some time ago there was like

1:38:24

a mini game of that where you

1:38:26

could you know select different characters and

1:38:28

play basically that but just like a

1:38:31

very early snippet of that.

1:38:33

So do they treat their front end like Unre

1:38:35

or like Fortnite then? Is that what you're saying?

1:38:37

Like a little like where you jump in and

1:38:39

there's a panel that says so they have a

1:38:41

client yeah like a launcher where