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Welcome back to another

2:05

round of the Coaches

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Roundtable. We missed last

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week so we are making up for it

2:12

this week. Alright so

2:14

week two in our coaching

2:16

group. Last week on our

2:19

previous Coaches Roundtable we talked about we sort

2:21

of left everyone with

2:24

this idea of talking about our

2:26

relationship that we have with our

2:28

ADHD and one of

2:30

the exercises that we do in

2:32

our groups for this and

2:34

this is probably one of the oldest exercises that

2:37

we have done in

2:39

groups since the very beginning is

2:41

we actually write letters to our

2:43

ADHD and

2:46

so we're gonna talk about that

2:48

and then time permitting we may

2:50

share our letters as well that

2:52

we as coaches have written.

2:56

I think we might I don't think Kristen

2:58

said this couldn't find her so you know

3:02

alright so let's first talk

3:05

about what the experience felt

3:07

like as because both

3:10

of you were first members before you were coaches so

3:12

you know you've done this

3:14

a bunch of times you've done this a bunch

3:17

of times what was what do what does it

3:19

feel like how would you describe this experience of

3:21

writing letters your ADHD and hearing other

3:23

people share letters to their ADHD. Well

3:27

for me I have like

3:29

family of origin attachment issues

3:31

around my mom found

3:33

my diary and start reading stuff so I've

3:35

always had trouble with writing

3:37

things. As

3:39

I've done this practice more and more

3:41

often it's gotten easier and I realized

3:43

I was couching it a lot of

3:45

times in terms of the

3:47

entertainer in me and

3:49

it almost sounded kind of it

3:52

wasn't not true or

3:54

authentic yet it was couched

3:56

in how do I entertain these

3:59

people around. how I

4:01

am talking about how I'm talking to my

4:03

ADHD and how that relationship is changing in

4:06

my Relationship because I've been

4:08

in the arts world which is ADHD

4:10

friendly I realized

4:13

I was okay with my ADHD because

4:15

it it Giving it

4:17

a name eventually went. Oh I'm

4:20

not just a weirdo or I'm

4:22

not just a fuckup. And so

4:25

what's interesting I've been doing this for

4:27

three years probably Gosh

4:29

eight times a year. Maybe I don't know and

4:32

this last one was the first time I told

4:34

my ADHD to fuck off And

4:37

because I really got a little bit

4:39

deeper with and it was

4:41

around Communications with you

4:43

know loved ones and conversations and

4:46

always being misunderstood or misinterpreting and

4:48

things like that. So that's

4:50

kind of been my Journey

4:52

with it And so

4:54

I think I'm getting more comfortable with writing things about

4:56

it because there are times I was just drawing pictures

4:58

about it too, which is great too. It was a

5:00

great way to process some of that too Brian

5:03

what about you? Well, well

5:05

first I'd want to put in context our

5:07

folks at home But the dear ADHD letter

5:09

is an actual letter we write where we

5:11

externalize the idea of ADHD as a different

5:14

person that we're talking To which sounds a

5:16

little weird I guess it struck me as

5:18

an unusual kind of thought experiment when I

5:20

first tried it. I'm like, oh god What

5:22

is this? What is this? I

5:24

didn't come here Yeah,

5:28

exactly, I'm like, what is this about I

5:31

came here to learn how to use calendars and stuff

5:33

And but I actually found

5:36

it really difficult and I

5:38

struggled to kind of engage with it and

5:40

it made me feel uncomfortable But that doesn't

5:42

mean the exercise was on at the time

5:44

I was like struggling with it, but that

5:46

doesn't mean the exercise wasn't valuable In fact,

5:48

it was really valuable because it showed

5:50

me what the issue was I could I

5:52

at the time like I also had my Family

5:54

of origin issues and my trauma issues and

5:57

that I was not yet really aware of

5:59

or working on But that

6:01

made me struggle with feeling intimacy

6:04

and being vulnerable.

6:06

So, I'm one of the things that I now

6:08

coach around. Like, now my view

6:10

is completely flipped. I've raised the value of,

6:13

or the necessity even, of engaging

6:15

with being vulnerable and being able

6:18

to reveal things. And

6:21

at the time, I was not in that place.

6:23

So, but it helped me overall, I see that,

6:25

see the difference there. I was like, oh wow,

6:28

it really opened my eyes a lot and kind

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of started me on the path. Even

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though that letter was really kind of, I don't

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know how to describe it, I felt like I

6:37

was putting on a front, because

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I wasn't really ready to be very vulnerable yet,

6:41

but I still got a lot of value. It

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really opened my eyes to a lot of things.

6:47

In what ways? Well, I

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became more aware of that,

6:51

wow, this is different than

6:54

something I've done before. Why

6:56

does this feel, some folks seem

6:58

really at ease with this, but I do not.

7:01

So what is the difference? Why

7:03

would that be? And what is

7:05

the source of this discomfort? Started

7:09

asking questions like that. It's

7:11

interesting. One of the, I think one

7:13

of the reasons this exercise is

7:16

as powerful as I think it is, for

7:20

a lot of people, it's the first

7:22

time where they are hearing people

7:25

speak this very vulnerable

7:27

truth and say

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things about their experience with their

7:31

ADHD. And what's

7:34

so powerful about that is so many times

7:37

we tend to think that, oh, we're

7:39

the only ones experiencing this particular thing

7:41

in this particular way. And then

7:43

when we start to hear, you know, all

7:45

the members of the group sort of saying things

7:48

that we thought only we thought, when

7:51

we realize that the challenges

7:53

that we have actually aren't

7:55

that unique, is

7:58

a really, I think, normalizing

8:00

and connecting kind

8:03

of experience. Well, it builds trust. Yes,

8:06

and it's interesting too, because

8:09

for the longest time, the way I sort of would approach

8:11

it in group is, I

8:14

wouldn't tell people at first, so

8:17

now it's like, uh-oh, maybe telling too

8:19

many of our secrets here, but

8:22

taking a trauma-informed approach, I've been shifting

8:25

a little bit about, so

8:27

I still don't tell people right

8:29

up front they're going to be sharing it. And

8:31

I think, Kristin, you were the one that came up with

8:33

the idea of someone asks that, because I was like, oh

8:35

no, we've had it where someone asks if they're going to

8:37

share it before we start the exercise, and I

8:40

didn't want people to know, because I think

8:42

it would then turn into this performative piece, which

8:44

is what I don't want, right? And

8:46

I think your response to that was, well,

8:48

to ask with a question, right? Was if

8:52

we were, would that change how you wrote it, right?

8:56

I think you might be mixing

8:59

different responses around a conversation we had about it.

9:01

I think it was a different coach that was

9:03

asked that question. And then someone

9:05

else, when we discussed it, it may have been

9:07

Brian that talked to you about that question. One

9:10

of the things that I will reveal

9:12

is it's still powerful and revealing when

9:15

someone comes in the room. I've had

9:17

one time someone say, can't

9:20

do it, can't do it, don't want to do it. And

9:23

when I coached them around that,

9:25

they changed their mind. And

9:27

I'm not saying I'm not the magic, they were

9:29

the magic. They grew in that moment of

9:32

resistance. They sat with it

9:34

and figured out what it was that was bothering them.

9:38

Even that idea of being reluctant to

9:40

it. Yeah, and one of the things

9:42

that I've been shifting a little bit

9:44

towards is when it is time to

9:47

share, telling people we really

9:49

want and encourage everyone to share their letters.

9:52

But we're not gonna make anybody

9:54

share. And

9:57

with that, everyone has shared. I've

10:00

couched it in the idea of we

10:02

are sharing and what might

10:04

it feel like for the

10:06

people who shared when someone

10:08

has heard everybody's vulnerability and

10:11

not shared. And

10:13

the allowance to, you know,

10:16

redact things, you know, take

10:18

out personal names, read

10:20

a part of it that feels

10:22

more easy because we still want people to

10:24

show up where they can, even

10:27

if it's in baby steps. We don't want it to be all or nothing.

10:30

And I'm so glad that you said, okay,

10:32

so I've kind of moved from this because I was like,

10:35

isn't this a secret when you first start talking about

10:37

it? Yeah,

10:40

and historically people

10:42

have like, have

10:44

had like two minds about it. Like

10:47

they're frustrated in some sense, but also

10:49

completely appreciate and understand the intent behind

10:51

it as well. And

10:54

I always wonder too, like even sharing this

10:56

right here for if someone ends up joining

10:58

the group who hears this, is

11:00

it gonna be like how I am with movie spoilers?

11:02

But you can, you actually can't spoil a movie for

11:04

me. But you can tell me what happens. And then

11:07

when I'm in that moment in the movie, I do

11:09

that sort of what you told me about that movie

11:11

is nowhere in my mind. I'm just like right there

11:13

in the moment. Well, and I'm

11:15

curious, we also redo the exercise. This is

11:17

an exercise we revisit throughout, especially if you

11:19

stay in the community and we encourage people

11:21

to do it on their own. We

11:25

do it again during week 10

11:28

and nobody seems to edit how

11:31

they're writing or censor their things and

11:34

they still share. Yeah.

11:37

So, and there is a level of privacy

11:39

that I'm gonna say

11:41

should, should be allowed, should be

11:43

honored. Yeah, absolutely. Because that's

11:45

the only way it's vulnerable. If we

11:48

open up all our vulnerability, we

11:51

don't have anything for ourselves. So I'm okay

11:53

with that. That's what I

11:55

figured out is that I've cracked one.

11:58

I think cracks that it was an egg. shell really I

12:00

had to crack through that and I think I've

12:03

finally been really really deeply vulnerable

12:05

this last letter so Chrissy

12:07

you said that this is the first letter that you

12:09

wrote where you gave a fuck you to the ADHD

12:11

I think Brian

12:13

I don't know if your experience has been

12:16

this we usually in every season get a

12:18

dear ADHD fuck you oh what

12:20

I what I like to say is if

12:22

we don't get at least one I

12:25

start wondering who's holding back because

12:28

we get a wide variety and I use

12:32

this as a preface to our discussion later

12:34

about growth mindset and we get

12:37

a wide variety of people where people are starting

12:39

from a lot of people are in that ADHD

12:41

is my superpower camp which I love and respect

12:44

I get other people who are saying like

12:46

fuck you ADHD you're ruining my life which

12:49

I also love and respect because they're all

12:51

valid they're all valid expressions of our thing

12:53

and it's not about sometimes

12:55

people are very reticent to say oh admit

12:58

that they feel negatively about it because they feel

13:00

like they're doing something wrong I think I had

13:02

one client would say like wow I didn't know I

13:05

was allowed to be mad about it and I'm

13:07

like of course we're allowed to be mad about

13:09

it yeah and like that

13:11

right there is like that's why we

13:13

do this like to know that everything

13:15

we're feeling around our ADHD experience is

13:17

okay well also speak

13:20

to what we

13:22

talk about right after those readings which is

13:24

that bias to the now what

13:26

Brian just shared yeah you're ruining my life my

13:29

life is awful and it may be somebody who

13:31

won the jackpot the day before seriously

13:34

it's the idea of how

13:36

our brain perceives our life

13:40

for just half with the experiences of half

13:42

a day and an hour and and I

13:44

have probably written over a hundred

13:47

of these dear ADHD letters

13:49

and and you know just

13:51

to speak to that it absolutely is this bias

13:53

to the now of like when we think we're

13:55

doing awesome like we're doing awesome that moment we

13:57

tend to think that we've been doing awesome and

13:59

we'll keep doing awesome. And when

14:01

we are getting our ass kicked by our

14:03

ADHD, we have this tendency to think

14:05

we've always been getting our ass kicked and we'll

14:07

always be getting our ass kicked by our ADHD.

14:09

And neither of those things are true. It's just

14:11

now. And I think the

14:13

more we write these letters over time, the

14:16

more we have this concrete evidence that no

14:18

matter where we are in our journey, this

14:20

is just now. Oh,

14:22

yeah, that's how I frame it with it when I get

14:24

twist to the bias. And now as I point out that

14:26

I put all of my readier,

14:29

HD leaders in Google Docs. So I

14:31

have a database

14:34

of them. And whenever I sit down to do one of

14:36

these for a coaching session, I go through

14:38

all my old letters and I read them. Not

14:40

all of them word for word, but I skim

14:42

through them. I look them. And in

14:45

the moment, I felt like, oh, things were impossible. But when

14:47

I look back on it now, it's like, I don't

14:50

remember. I remember writing this. I remember

14:52

feeling that way, but this doesn't feel

14:55

like my voice anymore. That change is

14:57

slow. It's gradual, but it does happen.

15:00

I'd like to share about the part where you said,

15:02

and in the moment, life

15:04

is going great. So we are the moment's going

15:06

great. So we think life is going great. And you

15:08

said that's not true. For

15:11

me, the bigger reason for acknowledging

15:14

that is to not

15:16

quit using my tools and strategies.

15:19

Because if I think I'm doing awesome, I start

15:22

to slack off on those things and forget

15:24

that that is why that is what is

15:26

helping me to do awesome. That's

15:28

why we can't go on autopilot because we just crash and

15:30

burn when we do. So, you

15:33

know, we talked about how we often

15:35

have this, this at least one person

15:37

in group. This is fuck you, the radiate HD.

15:40

And I've mentioned that I have written at least 100

15:42

of these. This

15:45

season during our coaching group was the

15:48

first time that I ever wrote a

15:51

fuck you to my ADHD. And

15:53

I want to share that. And

15:56

it's so funny too, because where this was

15:58

a week ago. And I'm already

16:00

feeling like I'm in such a different space right now. Right.

16:02

So it's like, pick case in point. Okay.

16:06

And so, and if you've been listening to the podcast

16:08

recently and following stuff, you know, we've been going through

16:10

a bit of a transition and some challenges

16:13

sort of in the business and this is going to

16:15

address some of that. All

16:17

right. So I wrote this on April 24th. Dear

16:21

ADHD, I have

16:23

written so many letters to you. I

16:25

have written letters when I've been kicking ass

16:27

and I have written letters to you when

16:29

you've been kicking my ass. While

16:31

I know this is not all you, I need

16:34

to tell you something that I don't think I've ever

16:36

said to you before ADHD. Fuck

16:40

you. Fuck you for making, for

16:42

just making things so hard sometimes.

16:46

Now I know the recent struggles I've been

16:48

having in the business is not all your

16:50

fault, but fuck you for

16:52

having such an apparent aversion to

16:54

details and for not paying closer

16:56

attention to the financial health of

16:58

the business. And fuck

17:00

you for causing me to react for

17:03

not to react sooner to how quickly

17:05

we were running out of money because

17:07

I didn't adjust the number of hours

17:09

of administrative help that I was paying

17:11

for. Even though I knew

17:13

there was more going out than there was

17:15

coming in. I knew I was

17:18

going to need to make these adjustments, but

17:20

fuck you for letting me continue to use

17:22

intuition for how I managed money when the

17:24

data was there and it could have been

17:26

forecasted. It's not your fault

17:29

that the economy has been changing or that

17:31

there are now over 120 ADHD podcasts

17:34

and a recent flood of new coaches that have

17:36

affected the demand for our coaching groups over the

17:38

last 18 months. But shit,

17:40

that didn't need to turn into the

17:42

near crisis that it did. Having

17:45

to go from 70 hours of

17:47

paid administrative support to zero, all

17:50

while trying to scramble and pull

17:52

a Herculean effort to fill our

17:54

groups just fucking sucked. But

17:57

there's one thing that you have taught me for better or

17:59

worse. that we tend to only

18:01

change and grow when not doing

18:04

so would be more painful. The

18:06

emotional roller coaster caused by the challenges

18:09

of the last month or so was a wake up call.

18:12

Man, I wish you didn't have to be

18:14

such a drama queen sometimes and that you

18:16

could get my attention in ways that was

18:19

not so emotionally taxing. And

18:21

just in case for some twisted reason you

18:24

are enjoying this, let me remind you that

18:26

I am one of the most resilient motherfuckers

18:28

you'll ever meet. So yes, you

18:30

and your friend Anxiety might have been in

18:32

cahoots, but I heard you and

18:35

I felt you and I see you. And

18:37

I'm going to remind you once again that

18:39

I can do hard things. I

18:42

know you've been working with my itty bitty shitty

18:44

committee, but I've been working

18:46

with a gratitude practice and

18:49

I've been exercising and I've been asking for

18:51

help and I've even been meditating more. And

18:54

I even finally took the first step

18:56

for an evaluation to see if your

18:58

friend Autism has actually been here

19:01

this whole time too. You

19:03

know they say that anger is one of the most powerful motivators

19:07

in the human condition. Sure,

19:10

I may have gotten more emotionally dysregulated over

19:12

these recent challenges and I'm not going to

19:14

lie, I've had moments where I felt like

19:16

throwing my hands up in the air and

19:18

throwing in the towel around the business. I

19:22

know it was you sending me these messages because

19:24

you were tired of feeling so stressed and overwhelmed.

19:27

But here's the thing, there's no fucking way I'm

19:29

going to let you in. I'm going

19:31

to continue to nurture you and support you. I

19:33

may have fallen down and gotten

19:36

a little bruised and beat up, but may

19:38

I remind you, I have always been

19:40

way too stubborn and determined to

19:42

give up. My why? To

19:45

have an impact on the lives of others with

19:47

ADHD. So we all

19:49

know that you are not alone. Wait,

19:53

let me read that again. That's not going to be

19:55

edited for the podcast or the video. My

19:58

why is to have an impact on the lives of others. lives

20:00

of others of ADHD. So we

20:02

all know that we are not alone. I read

20:08

that correctly when I read it in group and

20:10

now it's not making sense. I

20:13

was trying to say is that my why is stronger than

20:15

any of the challenges that I've been having. And that's to

20:18

have this impact. So you threw

20:20

some lemons at me. It's a good

20:22

thing that I'm a damn good lemonade speaker.

20:25

So ADHD. I love you. I

20:27

forgive you. And also,

20:30

fuck you. Love me. Yeah,

20:35

so I want to end it there because we're gonna

20:37

we want to keep these short. But

20:39

you know, part of why we do this

20:41

before we get into the content of planning

20:43

and our and to do lists and whatnot,

20:45

which we're going to be talking about on

20:47

the next coaches roundtable, because when

20:50

you have ADHD, if

20:52

you don't touch on the emotional

20:54

stuff, if you don't touch on

20:56

the shame and the stuff around

20:58

failure and all the baggage that

21:00

comes with living with with ADHD.

21:03

If you

21:05

try working on

21:07

and learning productivity strategies without

21:09

that stuff, you're

21:11

doing it with this major sort

21:14

of context blindness, right,

21:16

because it is imperative that

21:18

we address the emotional issues

21:20

around having ADHD in

21:23

order to make any of the productivity

21:25

and time management stuff accessible. So

21:29

we will be back next

21:31

time. We're going to be recording this in two minutes,

21:33

but you're going to see it in a week or

21:35

something, because podcast time is weird.

21:38

Alright, thank you so much. And we will catch you

21:40

next time. So how

21:42

was your relationship right now with your

21:44

ADHD, whether you just met or you'd

21:46

like to create a healthier, more symbiotic

21:48

relationship with your ADHD, so you can

21:50

be better equipped to do the work

21:52

of better managing your ADHD so you

21:54

can feel less stress and more joy.

21:56

I would love to invite you to

21:58

join us this summer for

22:00

ADHD rewired 37th season of

22:03

coaching and accountability groups. And

22:06

this is a fantastic time for you to

22:08

get registered because we want you to take

22:10

advantage of our early registration and discount where

22:12

you can join any section for only $999.

22:16

But you do have to sign up

22:19

by May 27th, Monday, May 27th, which

22:21

is Memorial Day here in the US.

22:24

Our first event is coming up on Thursday, May 16th

22:26

at 1.30 PM Pacific, that's 4.30 Eastern. Then

22:31

we have another one the following Thursday, May

22:33

23rd at 2 PM Pacific, 5 Eastern.

22:36

And then your last chance to join us at

22:38

this significantly reduced early bird rate of only $999

22:41

will be on Monday, May 27th at 1 PM Pacific, 4 Eastern. So

22:47

don't miss your chance to invest in

22:49

your ADHD during this early bird incentive.

22:52

All the details are at the website.

22:54

Go to coachingrewired.com to get on our

22:56

interest list. And even if you're only

22:58

maybe casually interested, I want to encourage

23:00

you to still add your name to that interest

23:02

list too, because we have a bunch of really

23:04

great emails queued up for you that are filled

23:06

with a lot of actionable content, including a five

23:08

part series on time tracking. We

23:11

have another series on planning and we

23:13

even have some downloadable PDF for you

23:15

too. So get your name on our

23:17

interest list and start receiving these high

23:19

impact emails as well as getting your

23:21

invite to join us. Learn

23:23

more at the website, coachingrewired.com.

23:27

You can also join us next week for

23:29

our monthly live Q&A. We do

23:31

it every second Tuesday of the month at 1030 AM Pacific, 1

23:33

30 PM Eastern. And

23:37

as you may know, if you've been

23:39

following the podcast recently, that I am

23:41

currently running ADHD Rewired without any administrative

23:43

staff or an editor for the podcast,

23:45

which is why these episodes are coming

23:47

out at a slower rate than usual.

23:49

So if you've been listening to the

23:51

podcast for a long time and you've

23:53

gotten value from ADHD Rewired, and if

23:55

you're in a position to do so,

23:57

please consider becoming a patron. I

24:00

can hire a new editor for the

24:02

podcast because I would love to get

24:04

back on track to releasing episodes each

24:06

week. I've got a bunch of great

24:08

conversations that I've had that are in

24:10

the queue that just need to be

24:12

edited. So any amount is amazing, whatever

24:15

you were able to do. Go to

24:17

adhdrewired.com/Patreon. We've got some great

24:19

perks that you can read more about there. And

24:22

lastly, I've been working in our 24 seven

24:24

co-working room a lot lately, which I would love to

24:26

co-work with you too. So

24:28

come check out our virtual co-working community

24:31

at adultstudyhall.com. That's adultstudyhall.com.

24:33

It's only $19.99 a

24:37

month and you can try it free for

24:39

the first week. And since I'm not 100%

24:41

sure when the next episode will be out,

24:43

I'll be hosting our monthly Palmin Darrow Dance

24:46

Party on Friday, May 24th at 11 a.m.

24:48

Pacific, 2 p.m. Eastern. This is where we

24:50

do two 50 minute

24:52

work blocks. And each after each work

24:54

block, we will do a 10 minute dance

24:56

party. So I'm going to be your

24:58

dopamine enhancing DJ as we dance for

25:01

two 10 minute blocks after each 50

25:04

minute work block. You can

25:06

learn more and join us at

25:08

adultstudyhall.com. And

25:11

as always, learn about everything

25:13

we're doing at ADHDrewired at

25:15

adhdrewired.com or follow

25:17

us on our social feeds at

25:19

Facebook, on Twitter, I'm at Eric

25:22

Tivers, on Instagram. I

25:24

almost said Instacart. And

25:26

I don't know, I'm other place. YouTube, we're also

25:28

posting stuff on YouTube. So check those things out as

25:31

well. So that's all for the announcements.

25:34

Thanks for listening and we'll catch you

25:36

next time.