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it how are you bro welcome welcome good man

1:59

thank you for I'm not having me. I'm

2:01

excited. Thank you. Thank you for taking

2:03

the time to be here, bro. Are you still

2:05

out in, are you still in LA? Obviously. I

2:07

am. Yeah, I am. And it's not, it's not

2:09

fucking hot yet, which I hate that. I don't

2:11

know why we, I don't know why we pay

2:13

so much. I should be down there in

2:15

Florida, you know? You definitely should

2:17

be. We told you about, we told you about the destination

2:20

area brother. This place is, it's

2:23

Flint dude. It's a jet. It's unfortunately, it's

2:25

like people are starting to notice it though,

2:27

man. So you gotta, yeah,

2:29

man, it's getting, it's getting bought out. Like a lot of

2:31

the, a lot of the houses are going up and stuff.

2:34

And I mean, it's a gem, bro. So I'm late.

2:37

I'm too late, but not too late, but I don't

2:39

know why, I don't know why I'm paying so much

2:41

for rent out here. If it's not going to be

2:43

hot, that's what we pay for. What,

2:45

what's, I mean, you're, it's, hold up.

2:47

First off, we had some bad storms there. I don't

2:49

know about you guys, obviously we're on opposite sides of

2:52

the planet, but dude, there's literally not

2:54

even a cloud in the sky right now.

2:56

It's like 85 degrees. Perfect. We're

2:58

right on the bay. Come on, man. You can't

3:00

make this up, dude. I know, dude. You're, you're

3:02

whooping my ass right now. This is bad. Well,

3:05

you can always do this, bro. Invite, invite

3:07

stands, dude. All right. I've been meaning

3:09

to, I'll be down there. I'll

3:12

be down there. All right, bro. Let's get it. Let's just

3:14

jump right into it. I don't know if my team sent

3:16

you the doc that you asked for, but right on top

3:18

of the list, my guy, new single rock

3:20

bottom just dropped. It actually just dropped. I

3:22

don't know how the heck it didn't pop

3:24

up on, on

3:26

my Spotify. Cause like I

3:29

have probably half of your fricking directory in there

3:31

and it usually informs me when there's a new

3:33

song out. Dude. Yeah.

3:35

I don't, I don't know, man. I don't, I

3:37

don't play into like any of the marketing stuff.

3:39

I don't really, I don't really even fuck around

3:41

with any of that, any of the marquee stuff,

3:43

any of the Spotify stuff, Spotify doesn't really fuck

3:46

with me cause I'm not with the labels so

3:48

they don't like putting me on playlist and shit.

3:50

But yeah, I mean, you know, especially that one.

3:52

I don't do that kind of shit. Just don't

3:54

do that shit for the plays. At this

3:57

point it's like, it's just, it's just

3:59

for the love of the game. Oh yeah, I

4:01

mean, dude, first off, I

4:03

think I speak for literally every streamer out there when

4:06

I say like, no label music

4:08

is literally the best for us. Yeah,

4:11

I mean, I like it just because like,

4:13

I feel like there's something synonymous with independence

4:17

and authenticity. You

4:19

know, I think that like, I've had my

4:21

experiences in the music industry where they kind

4:23

of push you in a they push

4:25

you in a certain direction. And they're

4:28

like, Oh, this is what we think you should sound like

4:30

or look like or act like or whatever. And

4:32

as soon as that starts to feel like

4:34

that's not you, then the music's not you.

4:36

And then you don't feel like you and

4:38

that that's just like a downward spiral, to

4:41

be honest, like I've experienced that firsthand. And

4:44

with everything that we got these days, as far

4:46

as like, as far as live

4:48

streaming, as far as all the social media

4:50

and shit, it's like we have all the

4:52

tools to, to like make yourself boom on

4:54

the internet. So like, just put in

4:56

a little bit of extra work and like find

4:58

your core audience. Once you find your core audience,

5:01

like you're, you're good, you don't need

5:03

a label labels just a bank these days anyways.

5:05

So yeah, I mean, I

5:07

can I can I can kind of relate to that.

5:09

I know I know I know what you mean in

5:11

general about like, feeling stuck in a corner and people

5:13

are kind of like pushing into things that you don't

5:16

want to do. And but yeah, that's absolutely probably like,

5:18

I think it's the quickest way to just either burning

5:20

out or or, you know, going down a dark path,

5:22

right? A lot of people like can't handle that

5:24

level of like stress and like, you know, you sign

5:27

a contract, you're screwed for, you know, X amount of

5:29

years, you're not making the music you like, and now

5:31

you have to keep doing it. So I

5:33

imagine that's probably a whole lot of artists like go

5:35

down those dark, dark paths around like, you know, like

5:37

they just start spiraling. Yeah, I mean, it's

5:39

it you kind of feel like, like I said,

5:41

you're not feeling like yourself, but you're also you

5:43

also kind of feel like you're one like you're

5:46

a one trick pony. If you if you don't

5:48

allow yourself to evolve, you know, I'm sure that

5:50

in your experience with with live streaming, it's like,

5:52

dude, you got to you got to start to like do see

5:55

you're like, I want to do something a little bit new. You

5:57

know, there's there's still like a lot of people who

6:00

you know, are like a loyal core

6:02

fan base that, you know, want a

6:04

certain product from you. And I think like

6:07

it's important to cater to those people to

6:09

a degree. But like, if you want to

6:11

branch out and like start to do something

6:13

different, then you just have to do it.

6:15

Otherwise, you're gonna be miserable feeling like, you

6:17

know, feeling like you're in a zoo, and

6:19

people are just watching you do the one

6:21

thing you do, the one trick. Right.

6:24

That's, I feel like that's the tale as old

6:26

as time and like the streaming industry, and definitely

6:28

in the music industry. I

6:30

mean, I know that like, you know, it's direct like

6:32

people, you know, a four night again today,

6:34

four in the end today, or even if I swap to

6:36

another game, they'll be like, dude, why aren't you playing for

6:39

night, right? Or why aren't you on another game? Like I've

6:41

swapped games so many times in my career from like, Taylor

6:43

to like, even Todd for a

6:45

bit, then like h1z1, pub G, another battle

6:47

royale, apex legends, for night, like, I'm

6:50

like, you know, destiny, all these games, like, you

6:52

know, I've made them like, quote unquote, my main

6:54

game. And you always have, you're gonna

6:56

let someone down and not just someone probably gonna let you know, you're gonna let a

6:58

lot of people down who are like, they, all they

7:00

want is like, you know, what they know and what they're

7:02

comfortable with. But yeah, no, I definitely think the best way

7:05

to grow, not by the way, the best way to grow

7:07

yourself, too, by the way, like, every

7:09

time I've made a huge change to a different game,

7:11

and I've kind of like maimed that game and made

7:13

it my thing, like, dude, I ended up always having

7:15

a larger audience, like coming out of the tunnel, like

7:17

always, yeah, you know, that's something I

7:19

talked about, like, when I first saw came out

7:22

here came out to LA, like, in, I don't

7:24

know, 2015, or something like

7:26

that. And I was working with a management

7:28

company. And when I when that was done,

7:31

when that deal was done, and I like

7:33

started recording and mixing my own shit, I

7:35

started the first my first like

7:38

fully independent album that I wrote,

7:40

mixed and mastered and put out.

7:44

I started that with like a conversation that I was

7:46

having with the guy who produced the whole thing. And,

7:48

and we were just saying we were just talking about

7:51

how, you know, labels in

7:53

general, or my my management at

7:55

that time was kind of looking for like, all right, which

7:57

song do you think is like the radio single, which one's

7:59

the club? and that kind of thing. And

8:02

so my whole point has always been like,

8:04

people will urge you to make, you

8:07

know, like for me, they'll say, we

8:09

wanna hear this, like we want that, whatever,

8:11

I'm like, dude, there are so many people,

8:13

I think there's like, thousands and

8:15

thousands of songs uploaded to Spotify every day.

8:17

It's like, somebody out there is making the

8:19

music you wanna hear, if it's

8:21

not me, then just go listen to them, you

8:24

know? Like, it's the same thing for you, it's

8:26

like, if you wanna watch somebody play Fortnite, I'm

8:28

not playing Fortnite, like go watch somebody who'll play

8:30

Fortnite. Go watch some videos. Yeah, yeah, go watch,

8:32

don't tell me, and that's exactly what I said

8:35

on the fucking record, I said, don't tell me,

8:37

cause I don't care, it's just shut the fuck

8:39

up, go listen to somebody else. You

8:42

know? Five goes. Do you ever,

8:44

but like, all right, so, I mean,

8:46

I absolutely, I completely agree with you, Cal, and like, and by

8:48

the way, I didn't freaking say this, it

8:51

is screwby. Yeah, yeah,

8:53

yeah. Bro, and nobody

8:56

knows, and at this point, I've like

8:58

adopted scrubby as like, that is my

9:00

alter ego of sorts, you know what

9:02

I mean? It's almost like, I

9:05

hate to draw the comparison, but it's

9:07

almost like Eminem's some shady kind of,

9:09

kind of back and forth, where I feel like

9:12

sometimes, sometimes I have this

9:14

like, I think that weird shit, like I

9:16

do a lot of weird shit, cause I

9:18

feel like I'm a weird person, you know?

9:20

Like, I can't help it, I feel like

9:22

I use humor to like deflect, the world

9:25

is so fucking serious, you

9:27

turn on the news, it's too fucking, everything's sad.

9:29

Thoughtful. Yeah, so I

9:31

just like deflect that shit with

9:33

humor, and I think that that

9:35

like weird side, in

9:38

the music and in the videos, that is

9:40

that alter ego, you know? So, I

9:42

think the screwby part is like the real

9:44

shit, the human shit,

9:46

and then either the braggadocious or

9:49

the weird shit, that's like more

9:51

of like the character that I

9:53

come into sometimes when I like,

9:55

I'm really expressing a certain part of my mind.

9:59

Yeah, man. I mean, I love, I

10:01

love your shit, bro. So like, that's one of,

10:03

one of my favorite things about, about your music

10:05

is that like, it's just fucking goofy, bro. Somebody

10:08

who is also incredibly goofy. And

10:10

just, it's just, it's great. Good shit, man. And

10:13

what I was, I was, what I was about to refer

10:15

to before we got on the, the name thing, dude, by

10:17

the way, which again, I always felt, I felt like such

10:19

a big colony, the wrong name for like, literally

10:22

like three months straight. Most

10:24

of, most of my fans, most of my

10:26

fans think, still think you're scrubby to this

10:28

day. So I just, I've always just

10:30

rolled with it. So don't feel, don't feel

10:32

bad about that at all. And every, and

10:34

every teacher that's ever done a roll call,

10:37

it's always been scrubby. So it gets everyone,

10:39

bro. It gets everyone. Yeah. All

10:41

right. So would you ever consider, I

10:44

know that you said you, like, you don't want to,

10:46

or you haven't in the past. Like, like, do you

10:48

think like, if you, if you wanted to, obviously, of

10:50

course, like, you think you just put out a fricking

10:52

club banger instantly? Like, how long would it take you

10:55

to just write some like mindless club

10:57

bangers? You know, I've thought about it before. Like

10:59

I've written, like every now and then I'll sit

11:01

down for the day and be like, all right,

11:03

this is what I want to, what if I

11:05

make like a TikTok song today? You know, like

11:07

that kind of thing. I think that

11:10

it just has to feel authentic. So like

11:12

for me, it just has to

11:14

be, if I'm, if I'm going to write something that's

11:16

fun or that's like flexy or whatever, then I just

11:18

had to be in that mood. If I'm not in

11:20

that mood and I try to write that, it feels

11:22

fake as fuck. And I can't, you know, I can't

11:25

put that out. But I

11:27

think that my definition of

11:29

club banger is way different from,

11:31

you know, the

11:34

general definition of club banger. And

11:36

the kind of like, the

11:38

kind of bangers that I make are not

11:41

the kind of bangers that I listen to.

11:44

You know, like I like artists who

11:46

are the opposite of me. I like

11:48

Thug, I like Keem, I like Future.

11:51

You know, like I listen to guys who sound

11:53

like they make a song in like 10 minutes.

11:56

And for me, like my process, is

12:00

almost like painstaking because I

12:03

just make like a million micro

12:05

decisions while making a song when

12:07

it comes to like flipping syllables,

12:09

changing words, just so that it

12:11

feels the most natural,

12:14

you know. So the process for me

12:16

is like, is less

12:18

free flowing and more like

12:20

meticulous, more calculated and almost

12:23

formulaic. I've kind of come to

12:25

accept that overthinking is like my

12:29

superpower and my crib tonight at the

12:31

same time. Oh, my,

12:33

like, nice. I definitely feel that,

12:35

man. So how long did, how long did, you're

12:37

talking about how long your process takes, man. How

12:39

long did Rock Bottom take you to write? I

12:42

mean, it actually took a long time.

12:44

I mean, the writing, the actual song

12:46

did not take a long time, but

12:48

like getting to the point where I was

12:50

like, yeah, this is the song I want to work on. This

12:52

is the song I want to finish. This is the song I

12:54

want to put out first. That took a

12:57

while because, you know, I was

12:59

on tour pretty much all year last year. I

13:02

went, I did like, what, 23

13:05

cities in at the beginning

13:07

of the year. I did, I think, I don't

13:09

know, fucking 18 cities or something at the end

13:11

of the year. I did or

13:13

something like that, 13 cities. Then I

13:15

did, then I went to Korea and

13:18

did a like an arena for League

13:20

of Legends. Oh, hell yeah, yeah,

13:23

yeah. For the world

13:25

championships that they do every year. And

13:28

so that was an experience. That's awesome, bro.

13:30

I've never even been to Japan.

13:33

Bro, it was crazy. No, that was, that was

13:36

Korea. And then I went to Japan for a

13:38

week after that. And, and

13:40

I'm like, I'm such an introvert. Like I

13:42

just locked myself in my studio, you

13:44

know, for 10, 12 hours a day.

13:47

And that's like my happy place, right? So

13:49

being out and about and like kind of

13:51

forcing myself to be so social and so

13:54

mobile, it just exhausted me. And

13:56

at the beginning of the year this year for

13:58

like the first two months. I

14:00

was so miserable like I would

14:02

just wake up every day and work on shit and

14:05

at the end of the day I'd be like this

14:07

sucks. This is terrible and that's because I was trying

14:09

to make like I was worn out from the

14:12

whole last year literally talking to people

14:14

and being extroverted and

14:17

You gotta find it. You have to just find

14:19

it find the freaking, you know, like perform and

14:21

just believe Right

14:23

perform and then don't eat don't go out like

14:25

just believe be one of those guys, but that's

14:28

what we did I mean, you know, it's being

14:30

independent and touring is a completely different game Yeah,

14:33

like it's just literally me on tour with my

14:35

friends, which is a lot more work to write

14:37

to like you have like schedule Like you

14:40

have to be scheduling everything yourself, right? Like for

14:42

sure. I mean I'm using stuff I don't even

14:44

know what I'm doing tomorrow, you know I

14:47

don't know what I'm doing after

14:49

this podcast So so like for me

14:51

to schedule things like months in advance

14:54

is exhausting and then you

14:56

know, my dog passed All no,

14:58

dude, I'm sorry to hear that bro. Yeah

15:00

in August of last year and she was

15:03

13 And I

15:05

had her, you know, like I just had her through

15:07

like the the dumbest Years of

15:09

my life like just me being a complete

15:11

idiot, you know Like in my 20s and

15:14

shit just being dumb and drunk and and

15:16

always having her there always

15:18

having that like comfort and never really

15:20

feeling alone and then to go from

15:22

that to then on tour like You

15:25

know two months later That

15:27

was my first real experience with grief So

15:30

like no proper time to actually do it

15:32

to dude. I can't imagine the distraction breath,

15:35

right? So, I mean, I'm I feel fortunate

15:37

that like I do have a job where

15:39

I could take two weeks and do nothing

15:41

You know, so I took I took some

15:44

time to like just literally just sat in

15:46

my room by myself For

15:49

a couple weeks and then once I started to kind of

15:51

go out I started to feel a little bit better about

15:53

it. But again, it was my

15:55

first experience with grief So like I definitely

15:58

didn't understand that it was gonna come coming

16:00

waves and with all the

16:02

touring and all the distractions

16:04

of last year, after she

16:09

passed, I didn't really, I thought

16:12

I had processed it fully, but then beginning

16:14

of the year comes and I'm trying to

16:16

be happy. I'm trying to be fun and

16:18

make fun records and that's just not, that

16:20

just wasn't where I was. It's just tough,

16:22

right? Yeah. So coming to terms with that

16:24

and just being like, all right, if

16:27

none of this fun shit feels

16:29

good because it doesn't feel authentic,

16:31

then that means that's just not where

16:34

I'm at right now. So let me just talk about where I'm at

16:36

right now. So I felt like, you

16:38

know, sometimes I drop a song and I know

16:40

that it's going to hit

16:42

like Captain America and shit like that. Like I

16:45

know when I got one that the

16:48

majority of my core fan base is

16:50

going to like, and that's always

16:52

exciting to drop that she didn't see the

16:54

reaction. But for me, this one was like

16:56

important to me to

16:58

let people know that very

17:01

human and vulnerable. No.

17:05

I bro, I feel you

17:07

man. I'm trying to

17:09

like process everything to you man for

17:12

you. I'm so sorry that that happened.

17:14

Like how old, like

17:16

we, do you, I've seen pictures, you showed pictures

17:18

when we were at lunch, right? Or like brunch,

17:20

right? Like, yeah, that's why, I mean,

17:23

it's my baby dude. Like it was, and

17:25

she was, I mean, everybody, you know,

17:28

a dog is just a dog unless it's your dog.

17:30

When, you know, and when it's your

17:32

dog, it's like, if that can

17:34

be more tragic than

17:37

losing like even a family member.

17:39

But, but again, putting it

17:42

in perspective, it's like, I understand that that's

17:44

how that works. I understand she wasn't going

17:47

to live, you know, forever. But for that

17:49

to be like my first experience with it.

17:52

You know, I feel I feel fortunate to have her

17:54

for that long. But yeah, I just it put me,

17:56

it Put me in a spot where

17:58

I was like, okay, I. I

18:00

can a I can my to ignore this

18:03

publicly because I know that Draven, a song

18:05

about a job and a sad song. A

18:07

job in a song about like like a

18:09

Serbian or Rock Bottom isn't necessarily something that

18:12

everybody's going to be wrote be able to

18:14

relate to scam or but ultimately like. At

18:17

some point the universe are gonna flip your

18:19

world upside down and you're going to be

18:21

forced to deal with that kind of thing.

18:24

So I think there's a lot of people

18:26

whom might listen to N B I gonna

18:28

my thing right now and then in six

18:30

months or years, Five years, whatever. they go

18:32

through something. And also that song has a

18:35

little different. Yeah really hard mind

18:37

for me was one of your like I

18:39

mean. African. Absolutely love that song.

18:41

In Seattle are a lot of people are

18:43

as meet him The made songs make more

18:45

sounds like that and a might even as

18:47

pie mean Ryan assassin as he that's not

18:49

something you just don't The Roman you're like

18:51

are you from the most dark depressing said

18:53

I can pump out and my god if

18:55

I go there are signs that need to

18:58

be like south and and you know like

19:00

the terrorists have gone through a breakup rose

19:02

to see years he has like a break

19:04

our Cfcs, the experience as break ups and

19:06

then she writes about i'm You Change I

19:08

reckon. I. Ask you're asking an

19:10

artist to be sad at that point the

19:12

I would choose there was is are you

19:14

menu and audience He said. I've. Been

19:16

crabbing? Yes sir. You know I'm. From.

19:19

My wife he met obviously an entrepreneur for like

19:21

the another we Wednesday we have chance and nine

19:24

cents an hour. he again older. Ah,

19:27

And you know it's like the same things he never. I mean

19:29

you can't And for me, like. Although.

19:32

It. Gonna suck spilling. He had the kind of

19:34

like picture and happening or I knew that like

19:36

listen athletes. And can be time where

19:38

it happens like out to be ready in

19:40

like as it is a summit it's like

19:43

you again it'll It'll be easier if you

19:45

can like actually think about adopting are all

19:47

the time. But. like you know think

19:49

about have enough to were like when it does happen

19:51

you are like just crippled right right think that that

19:53

i think that the like the i'm and like i

19:55

think that's why i can be so bad of people

19:57

lose you know loved ones when it's like out of

19:59

know wear, right? Right. I

20:02

remember doing the

20:04

first time I processed like her mortality,

20:06

like the fact that at

20:08

some point I wasn't gonna have her. I was

20:11

sitting in the hot tub at my old place.

20:14

And I was doing mushrooms. And

20:16

I looked up at her and it

20:18

was the first time that I realized how like

20:20

gray in the face she was like how she

20:22

was getting the whiteness. Yeah, she was

20:25

only like eight at the time, you know, so

20:27

she ended up living five more years. But I remember

20:29

like, I remember, dude, I was just

20:31

balling. I mean, obviously, I was on mushroom. Hey,

20:34

dude, like, I mean, first off,

20:36

you know, all those types

20:38

of, you know, either hallucinogens or whatever you want to

20:40

call it, like those types of drugs, I feel like

20:43

they kind of just like lift walls, right?

20:45

And they definitely lift walls, bro. I

20:48

know that I'm incredibly I'm even with drinking to right as long

20:50

as you're not doing that hardcore shit. Like,

20:52

I find myself, you know, a lot

20:54

more vulnerable. And like, you just start

20:56

thinking about things a lot more. It's

20:58

a mind altering mind altering thing. So

21:01

it just changes your perspective. Always, you

21:03

know, it's like, it actually doesn't even

21:05

matter what the drug is. And I

21:07

and for legal purposes, let me let

21:10

me say I'm not advocating any

21:12

Oh, for sure. For sure. For

21:14

sure. For sure. We're just talking about like, you know, hypotheticals.

21:20

Yeah, it changes

21:23

the way you look at

21:25

the world, though. And honestly, for

21:27

for creative, like that kind of

21:29

stuff, like being in the

21:32

same mindset all the

21:34

time. Like, if you're

21:37

an athlete, then that might be like a good

21:39

thing. Because you're like hyper focused on one thing,

21:41

you're trying to be super physically healthy. And you're

21:43

an artist, bro. But if you're an artist, yeah,

21:46

you got to you got to be switching shit

21:48

up and seeing shit from like different angles, for

21:50

sure. And do you feel like dropping

21:52

this song right now has like been the exact

21:54

thing that you needed to grieve? Or like, is

21:56

it like start of the process? Is it like,

21:59

almost like you almost through with it because of

22:01

it? Like, I don't, I

22:03

don't think, I don't think, uh, I don't think you

22:05

ever like. It'll be there

22:07

forever. Yeah. Yeah. It's always, it's

22:09

just a whole, like it's always going to be

22:12

there. And it'll feel, bro. I've lost several dogs

22:14

in like growing up and I'm not comparing obviously,

22:16

but like I, as a child and

22:18

even as like a young adult, like I've had, you

22:20

know, two lot, well several, um, and like, yeah, probably

22:23

it's one of those things where I don't recommend getting

22:25

a new dog right away because that's like replacing and

22:27

you know, or it could be looked at like that,

22:29

but like truly the only thing that will heal is

22:32

it's time. Of course, the cringest

22:35

thing in the world, time, those are all

22:37

wounds, but also like eventually man, when you're

22:39

ready, like, you know, getting another one dude,

22:41

and then being an even better public parent.

22:43

For sure. That, I mean, that's the thing

22:45

too. I think about like my regrets and

22:47

my immaturity, like not being

22:49

the, you know, the best dog

22:52

owner to the best dog. Like

22:54

that, that's part of the thing that

22:56

hurts, you know? Um, but I don't

22:58

know. I like shout out to my

23:00

Patreon because my Patreon group, they, um,

23:02

we have like zoom calls once

23:05

a month and we, we just talk about, like, we

23:07

talk about real shit, you know, we talk about this

23:10

and, um, this girl, Katie

23:12

and the Patreon, like a couple

23:14

of days ago said, uh, that, uh,

23:17

it's like a box with a

23:19

ball and the ball, when

23:21

it, when it first happens, the ball

23:23

fills the entire box, but the ball

23:25

gets smaller, but still, but the ball

23:27

is moving around. So picture like the

23:29

little DVD thing, yeah. Sides of the

23:32

screen. And I, the corner never happens.

23:34

Yeah, it never happens, but, but the

23:36

ball gets smaller and smaller. And, and

23:38

when the ball hits the wall, you

23:40

feel it. So like that ball is

23:42

always going to be moving around. And

23:44

at times it's going to, it's going to

23:46

get smaller and smaller and it's going to hit the wall

23:48

less and less, but it's still going to hit the wall.

23:51

And when it hits the wall, that's like when you feel

23:53

it. So it's just kind of crazy how like that shit

23:55

will catch you off guard. Um, cause

23:57

you think you're over it. That's an incredible

23:59

analogy. And I think I had one of

24:01

those moments at when we were young festival, like

24:03

last year with my brother, you know,

24:05

I was just like, you know, we watched

24:07

one of my favorite bands, one of our

24:09

favorite bands growing up and like, dude, just

24:11

started bawling, like, you know, like hugging, hugging

24:14

my brother and like being like, you know,

24:16

super emotional, which I usually don't, you know,

24:18

I don't have those types of breakdowns. So

24:20

I don't know what I don't know what

24:22

ball or how small that ball was. And

24:25

the wall that it hit when it did like, and I still

24:27

don't even know why I felt the way that I felt that,

24:29

you know, I think. It was just all that nostalgia as a

24:31

kid growing up, like, you know, being introduced

24:33

into that music in general by

24:35

my brother as well. And being able to watch

24:37

all these, all of our favorite bands, favorite emo

24:39

bands as, as, you

24:42

know, adults, right? Like families

24:44

married. It's just, you know, but

24:46

you love that shit, dude. Like I

24:48

like to feel, to feel emotion, like

24:50

sometimes I just feel numb to shit.

24:52

Like at times in my life, I

24:54

felt so numb to, to

24:57

like those types of emotions. Like I

24:59

feel like I went years and years

25:01

without like feeling that kind of like

25:04

deep sadness and stuff. But you were

25:06

crying, man. Yeah. But

25:08

I think I was just kind of

25:10

like blocking that side out. And so

25:12

sometimes when you feel those feelings come

25:15

on and you embrace them, like that

25:17

is like the most cathartic kind of

25:19

release. Like that's the most therapeutic way

25:21

to like feel human is to like

25:23

feel the lows and like not not

25:25

block them out. I,

25:28

it does feel great. It does feel great. It

25:30

definitely, you know, the, the dam eventually bursts always for

25:32

some people. And I think it's, you

25:35

know, mostly men, I feel like cause they are,

25:37

you know, we hide our feelings and shit and

25:39

it's not always attractive to some women out there.

25:42

So you're man vulnerable or to actually express it, you know,

25:44

emotions. I think a lot of it's, I'm

25:46

not like judging or even like saying that most

25:48

women are like this or even some, but like,

25:50

I do feel like, you know, I see on,

25:52

you know, on social media, a lot of men

25:54

that will be like, you know, women want

25:57

an emotionally, you know, available

26:00

And then, you know, when they get one, like, there,

26:02

it becomes an ick, right? For some shit, some cringe

26:04

shit. It's like, you know, he was like, oh my,

26:06

like, he was like, confiding in me and like crying

26:08

and it was like kind of annoying or some shit.

26:10

It's like, what the fuck? Yeah. Talk

26:12

about, talk about like not being able to win.

26:14

But right. You can't have both ways. Right.

26:17

You want, you need an Evoach the Available Man

26:19

and then they're, you know, actually being emotional, emotional,

26:21

right? And, you know, somehow it's, it's

26:24

a turn off. Anyways. Yeah.

26:50

You're a little bit lighter, bro. Obviously rock bottom.

26:52

It's out. It's fricking sad. We fucking love it,

26:54

dude. Honestly, again, like my anxiety, one of my

26:56

favorite songs by you. I'm not trying to get

26:58

you to bump these songs out more and more

27:01

because we just talked about his email shit, but

27:03

even new album coming in June. Do you feel

27:05

like, I mean, talk to

27:07

me, dude. Right. Yeah. To

27:10

be honest, you know, the project at

27:12

this point, I work, I

27:14

don't know if this is how most people work

27:16

in the music industry. And

27:18

also I like to not consider myself

27:20

like part of the music industry

27:22

because we don't really, we don't really

27:25

play the same game as like what

27:27

everybody else would like all the labels

27:29

and shit do. So, right. So we

27:31

don't like to really like compare because

27:33

honestly, it's really to me, it's just

27:35

about creating shit that we like, like

27:37

me and my friends creating shit that

27:39

we like music and videos and whatnot.

27:41

So, but yeah, I mean, for

27:43

me, the process is always like up

27:46

until the very last minute, it's

27:48

it's always, it's like an amoeba.

27:51

It's just never has like a

27:53

definite shape. And then, and then

27:56

once a deadline is there

27:58

that like that's. You start

28:00

cutting, you know, you start cutting, shut

28:02

up, finishing it up, dude. How many songs

28:04

do you have? I know that there's some people have like 20, 30, 40, 50,

28:08

blah, blah, blah, crazy insane, it just loads amounts

28:10

of songs. And then they only cut it down

28:12

to like, you know, 10 or 11. Like

28:15

how many tracks are you

28:17

at like right now? Like are possible?

28:20

And like, what do you think is

28:22

gonna end up like being on the final product?

28:25

Man, that are possible is we have

28:27

a lot of possible. So, you know,

28:29

like, that's kind of what's funny is

28:33

I think with this project, like I'm trying to

28:35

get a lot, like I

28:37

have a lot of variety as far as like, as

28:40

far as beats and vibes and

28:42

concepts and whatever. So, you

28:45

know, I feel like when you're putting out a project,

28:47

like there's two ways to approach it. One is like

28:49

you put out your, you know, 10,

28:52

12, 15 best songs, like songs that you

28:54

think are like the

28:56

catchiest or the most enjoyable

28:59

or whatever. But

29:01

I don't think that's the purpose of an album. You

29:03

know, like for me, an album is

29:06

supposed to represent like a chapter of

29:08

your life. And I think

29:11

that like the longer that you take,

29:13

the longer that like, the longer the

29:15

period of time that you're like, you're

29:18

writing about, the more

29:20

diluted the concept gets and

29:22

the theme gets because it's just like, you

29:24

have so many ups and downs and so

29:26

many events that it kind

29:28

of loses its focus.

29:30

It's almost like a movie. It would be

29:33

like if a movie took place over the

29:35

course of like 50 years, you know, and

29:37

you're like, that's a lot to cover. You

29:39

basically have like a window, essentially, you're saying

29:41

before it kind of just gets like, you

29:44

know, just all over the place, right? For sure, for

29:46

sure. So

29:48

this is like, this is a pocket

29:50

for me that's about like

29:53

kind of embrace, like it starts with

29:55

that low. And that's

29:57

not even like the structure of the album. is

30:00

not like a linear, you

30:03

know, like a sequential kind of

30:06

project where it starts with sad

30:08

shit and gets to more

30:10

fun shit. But

30:12

the process of making the album was

30:15

like starting, that's

30:17

kind of why I dropped Rock Bottom first,

30:19

is because like that Rock Bottom was

30:22

what sparked all

30:24

the activity that ended

30:26

up like digging out

30:28

of the hole, you know what I

30:30

mean? So basically the project

30:34

is about like climbing out of

30:36

this dark place and

30:39

like kind of seeing the light and starting

30:41

to like be myself again, you know? Would you

30:43

feel like this, first off, I can't imagine creating

30:50

the theme of an album, right? I feel like in

30:52

my opinion, I feel like it's already like the thesis

30:54

of a, like a thesis is the

30:56

hardest thing, right? When it comes to writing a paper,

30:58

I haven't read a paper in freaking a decade, but

31:00

like, I always struggle with a thesis, you have a

31:02

god tier thesis, and like the rest of the rest is

31:04

kind of like, you know, pretty much a

31:07

breeze. Would you say that, like, going

31:09

through this emotional time that out of all of

31:11

your albums, like this is one of like the

31:13

easiest, right? Like the

31:15

easiest like theme for

31:17

you to have decided like, what other

31:19

theme in this part of your life, right? Where you have this

31:21

treasure cloth, and you're definitely trying to climb out of it. I

31:24

feel like it's one of those things where you didn't have to

31:26

sit down for a couple of weeks or months

31:28

and be like, what's the theme of this album? Like you knew

31:30

it. Yeah, like, like it was, it

31:32

was presented to me, you know, like, like,

31:34

I think and I think that's what that's

31:36

kind of what I figured out in the

31:38

first couple of months of the year, when

31:40

I was trying to write that fun shit

31:42

and wasn't feeling it because it wasn't authentic.

31:44

If you really, if

31:47

you try too hard, then the art

31:49

sucks. You know, like, it's just it

31:51

sucks when you try too hard, because

31:53

it's just not you realize that you're

31:55

trying too hard, but even subconsciously, you'll

31:58

pick up on the fact that you're like,

32:00

you're full forcing something. And I think when

32:02

you kind of relax and let

32:04

the universe do its thing, then

32:06

the theme is going to reveal itself. The art is

32:09

going to reveal itself and then you

32:11

just open the vein and let it

32:13

bleed. But I

32:15

think that's really, it

32:19

really became obvious to me, the more that

32:21

I struggled and struggled and then I got

32:23

to that breaking point where I was like,

32:25

all right, fuck this. I'm not going to

32:27

sit around anymore and just keep

32:30

eating shit every day. Which is easy

32:32

as hell in LA, man. There's so

32:34

much to do all over the place,

32:36

bro. I can't imagine. Yeah,

32:38

but just sitting in the studio every day,

32:40

struggling, I was like, all right, this is

32:43

not working. So sometimes, it's

32:45

like I said, when I dropped rock

32:47

bottom on Instagram, I'm like,

32:49

dude, I've lived long enough to realize

32:51

that my lowest lows

32:54

lead to my highest highs. And

32:57

so I got to stop resisting

32:59

this. It's almost like you're drowning,

33:01

trying to keep

33:04

your head above water. It's like just relax for a

33:06

second, take a deep breath, let yourself go under water

33:08

for a little bit, you know, and

33:10

chill. You start drowning. First thing they tell you

33:12

is don't panic, dude. Yeah, you got to get

33:14

your heart rate down, got to get your cool

33:17

collected and then you can

33:21

start swimming. Bro,

33:24

life is literally waves. I

33:26

tell so many people this, you know, it

33:30

has lows and sometimes for other people, obviously, it has

33:32

lower lows and shit. But like, dude,

33:35

it is just a complete wave, bro.

33:38

And when you're at your

33:40

highest of highs, try to be

33:42

self-aware enough to

33:47

realize like, dude, this is it.

33:49

This is one of those waves. This is one of

33:51

those moments where like, I know

33:53

I'm at like a super high point in my life and it

33:56

is almost going to be impossible to stay

33:59

there. Like because obviously every

34:01

wave crashes but like I mean

34:03

dude It's just like time and time again in

34:05

my life as a streamer it bro Like I've

34:07

did I can relate so so much to

34:10

just waves dude Like I've gone through so much shit where

34:12

I was like dude. Oh my god my stream. I have

34:14

thousands of years right now I've never had this much as

34:16

incredible right and then I had like a detached retina You

34:19

know fell off into the freaking you know into the

34:21

nether And like after I came back

34:23

from like a month and a half break It was terrible load

34:25

and you know switch different games

34:27

and you know backups of good viewers

34:29

again And it's like if I if

34:32

I could have pulled myself You know

34:34

my younger self right like just

34:36

basically like let it like what you said I which

34:38

I love by the way like let it happen right

34:40

like feel that like it's okay relax Yeah,

34:43

and it all comes with like you said

34:45

it all comes with time though and experience

34:47

because like you have to I mean I

34:49

was looking through my When

34:51

I was when I was going through That

34:53

that moment at the beginning of the year when I

34:55

couldn't really write the shit that I wanted to write

34:59

I went through my notes like on my

35:01

you know I got like fucking 1200

35:04

notes on my my computer

35:07

and I'm going through them and like a lot of

35:09

them were just Were literally

35:12

just notes to myself at the

35:14

time that was like hey You're

35:17

struggling right now. You know you're

35:19

struggling right now. It's fine Just

35:22

take the first step take the ones the

35:24

one step that's right in front of you

35:26

and like start to build momentum So I

35:29

think that kind of helped me realize that like it's

35:32

never actually been that easy for me You

35:34

know like I think I think sometimes that

35:36

like if I like with all the touring

35:38

and stuff I just didn't make a lot

35:40

of music last year and stepping back into

35:42

it You know I think I expected myself.

35:45

I expected it to be like riding a

35:47

bike I expected it to be Second

35:49

nature to me and really easy and I think

35:51

I kind of have this thing where I want

35:54

everybody To view me as just

35:56

like this guy. this wizard with words like

35:58

I thought I could just. I

36:00

bomb year. It is easy whatever side now

36:02

sometimes as a grind. You know

36:04

sometimes that it's it's not going to come

36:07

out as clean as you want. But the

36:09

but once you once you struggle enough and

36:11

you fail you know like you said when

36:13

the numbers are up and I painted says

36:15

to is the numbers and then you numbers

36:18

go down. As I do feel

36:20

like you're doing something wrong by does

36:22

not necessarily true like Doctor V that

36:24

can be like a god you the

36:26

like and make a small pivot that

36:28

then you know reaches that a new

36:31

high. He. Know whether is your

36:33

satisfaction with lie for or you're

36:35

streaming numbers or whatever on say

36:37

discount or of he can I

36:39

gotta let let the universe is

36:41

god you and not worry so

36:43

much about about numbers and what

36:45

other people think. It's. One

36:47

of those like double double

36:49

Edged Sword swear we obviously

36:51

as content creators, musicians, artists,

36:53

whatever like we live by

36:55

the numbers is it? It's

36:57

like told. Only. Pay attention to

37:00

them but also they're not important because do you

37:02

but also like you do need some numbers Now

37:04

I have a really as a debate of it's

37:06

definitely a balance but like I think that do

37:08

not getting caught a knock knock getting caught up

37:10

on my god. maybe like shopping something new and

37:12

and it doesn't do well it's like broken. they're

37:15

gonna have like it is impossible to only produce

37:17

bears but like you know to me or like

37:19

the only succeed as a musician there's going to

37:21

be times where you just don't ah there's gonna

37:23

be time or size as happy as can be.

37:25

Times or like yeah like in make for me

37:28

it would be like. A streaming like segment

37:30

of my life. Where. like i'm playing

37:32

a game and on the watch and of your

37:34

like the numbers are low and it's like

37:36

whenever and but like sometimes like you just have

37:38

to be like okay with that right because for

37:41

your met for your mental like putting out

37:43

a song a pretty or something that like a

37:45

will be worth it in the future right yeah

37:47

i'm and alleges says a delicate balance but

37:49

but i think to i think you grumps i'm

37:51

sure you've noticed this to his eyes a you

37:54

you've been in the game long enough and he

37:56

this man said long enough and like you know

37:58

when you become financially stable I think

38:01

I have like broke trauma. I

38:03

think I have like, I think being broke

38:05

for a long time was like one

38:07

of the best things for my development

38:10

as a person, like for

38:12

my character. I think

38:14

if I would have got money early on,

38:16

like I probably would have been a piece

38:18

of shit, you know? Like, you know, I

38:20

think it's like much, I think it's much

38:22

easier to be a piece of

38:24

shit if you don't go through some hardships. And

38:27

so I think being broke was like a

38:29

good thing, but I think I

38:31

have broke trauma because once I became

38:34

like financially stable and you know, you

38:36

have like residual income, like basically more

38:38

predictable income, but

38:41

then after a while, like you just got to

38:43

tell yourself like to relax. Like you know damn

38:45

well that you're going to be streaming and people

38:47

are going to be watching and you're going to

38:50

be good, you know, regardless. It's like, but

38:52

we just kind of cling to the highest

38:54

high because we're like, oh no, no, no,

38:57

I only want to go up from here. It's like, but

38:59

there is a piece. It's not possible bro. Yeah.

39:02

Absolutely. It's happened to so many, I feel

39:04

like dude in this year, by the way, in general, I feel like it

39:06

is happening to like so many

39:08

people dude, like celebrities and

39:10

artists and I mean, like some of the

39:13

craziest stuff coming out and like people just

39:15

that I thought were untouchable and like seeing

39:17

them be canceled or like even attempts to

39:20

be canceled, right? Yeah. I just

39:22

said we're like, yeah. You're talking about Drake without

39:24

talking about Drake. No, I'm talking about everyone bro.

39:27

First off, I thought Drake was untouchable. Like I think

39:29

we all did for the longest time. You know what

39:31

I mean? Like no joke, even the kid, right? Even

39:33

he's hiding Adonis or whatever. And like, even that, like

39:35

he came back with a dope album, fired back and

39:37

like, and dude, and then they became like, again,

39:39

like the golden child again, or just when

39:41

he thought like he was going to, you know, but

39:43

like, and now you see what's happening after

39:46

the rap battle. Do you see what's going

39:48

on with like Diddy and like, even just

39:50

some, right? No, I mean, dude,

39:52

just truly like so many people in this

39:54

industry, music industry, et cetera. And like, you're

39:56

just seeing them, you know, like people

39:58

are like, he's kind of waking up. I kind of like

40:00

that shit. I hate fake people, bro. Like

40:03

I despise fake people. It's one of

40:05

my, like, especially when I know, and I'm

40:07

not calling anyone out, I would never do that. And I can't even think

40:09

of anything else on top of my head to begin

40:12

with, but like, see like they're out there, like YouTubers

40:14

or streamers where you just do like you, you know

40:16

the type of person that they are and like you

40:18

see their content and it's the exact opposite. And it's

40:21

just like, bro, like one day

40:23

it's an employee. You can't hide who you are forever.

40:25

It's going to come out. It's

40:27

true. And, and, uh, there's

40:29

a, there's a, uh, podcaster,

40:32

philosopher, author, whatever. I'm

40:35

not, I don't want to mention his name because

40:37

I think a lot of his takes are shit,

40:39

but one of this, but one, but one take

40:42

that I liked of his, he says, uh, I've

40:44

never seen anybody get away with anything because

40:46

at some point, you know, you'd

40:49

say, he says, you twist the fabric of reality.

40:51

And at some point, like it's going to come back

40:53

to bite you. Like you do, if you do something,

40:56

if you do something wrong, it's like, he

40:58

said, it's like twisting a rope, you know,

41:00

and like, it's like, you can only twist

41:02

it so much eventually. Yeah.

41:04

Yeah. At some point down the road, like

41:07

it might not seem like a big twist,

41:09

but like if you go further and further

41:11

and further down that rope, it's more and

41:13

more and more tangled. So, so I think,

41:15

I think that's really what we're seeing is

41:17

like, we see this every year with people

41:19

who are just, uh, not

41:21

necessarily ethically behaving

41:24

in a proper way to put it,

41:26

to put it nicely. Um, but yeah,

41:30

I mean the shit will come back to

41:32

bite you and, and you kind of get

41:34

what you deserve. Yeah. So I think, I

41:36

think everybody does. I've never

41:38

like, first off, we just came up

41:40

with a huge promoting song title called

41:42

tangled. Literally.

41:45

And it can be about what we literally just talked

41:47

about. That's an, that's an easy banger right there. Um,

41:50

so we got song rights itself, but

41:52

yeah, I've, I've,

41:54

it's, you're just really right, bro. Like I, I'm

41:57

trying to think of, I mean, My

42:00

people the last like four years in the just the

42:02

industry in the world that have been exposed for like

42:04

stuff that's happened You know, you're right. Like even years

42:06

ago like decades ago. Just it's like it doesn't matter

42:09

bro I mean that Diddy clip of him like, you

42:11

know, like, you know abusing his ex-girlfriend,

42:14

which by the way, like Bro

42:16

that how old was that right? Like how old was that?

42:19

How did that how does that come out now? Like

42:21

18 years or God knows how long later bro,

42:23

like you get away with I've

42:27

never bro And

42:30

then he comes out with it, dude Okay,

42:32

I don't want to I hate like starting Trump I'm not

42:34

starting drama, but I don't really like dwelling on stuff like

42:36

this too much But I do want to mention like I

42:39

the amount of people up in this industry I've

42:41

seen people try to be canceled millions of times,

42:43

right? I've seen people take breaks have seen people

42:46

disappear etc. Come back and pretend like nothing happened

42:48

I will say that I'm like

42:50

I'm stunned that like he hasn't had he hasn't

42:52

made a single video right now one Addressing

42:54

like the reason that he's even fleeing

42:57

to begin with right like all the

42:59

all his allegations And then this video

43:01

comes up and he's literally like in

43:05

a what looks like a hut in

43:07

the Caribbean Addressing like that,

43:09

you know what I mean? Yeah I'm

43:12

so sorry. I didn't know that that was the

43:14

old me It's like bro Like do you not

43:16

realize like this isn't even the worst thing that

43:18

you've been accused of lately and like to hear

43:20

somebody Address something like this and

43:22

then to like see them in like this,

43:25

you know place where they're essentially untouchable from

43:27

the law It's just like brother's is real

43:30

Yeah, it's interesting. But on the flip

43:32

side to like and not talking about

43:34

this particular case, but um but

43:37

you know we do have

43:39

an issue with cancel culture where

43:41

like People make a

43:43

mistake in their past and then we

43:46

keep dragging them down to that mistake

43:48

Like we don't let them grow as

43:50

people, you know, especially especially when

43:52

they make that mistake like as a kid

43:55

You know like I agree you are for sure. Yeah, like

43:57

there have been times when people dig up like tweets

44:00

from like a MLB pitcher from

44:02

when he was like 13. And

44:04

he said some like homophobic slur

44:06

or something, you know,

44:09

on, yeah, like 15 years and then

44:11

like being held accountable or something you

44:13

said 15 years ago. Yeah. So like,

44:15

so we're, so we're just labeling people

44:17

by their biggest mistakes. And the only

44:19

reason that their biggest mistakes are being

44:22

highlighted is because they, they reached a

44:24

level of success. So, so then everybody

44:26

else, you know, all, us like non-famous

44:29

regular people in society,

44:32

we just get to like live with

44:34

our mistakes that don't get highlighted and

44:37

we don't get labeled as this or

44:39

that because, you know, because

44:41

we're not at like a level of success

44:44

where somebody's trying to like, bring, bring us

44:46

down or whatever. So I just think there's,

44:48

I just think there's, there's

44:50

something wrong with, with people wanting

44:52

to like take celebrities down a

44:55

notch because, you know, as somebody,

44:58

you know, I've been on the receiving

45:00

end, dude, it's not fun. Yeah. Well,

45:02

it's just kind of like people think

45:04

that they need to bring celebrities down

45:07

a notch because they think that they're

45:09

living this like fantastic life when really

45:11

everybody at any class in

45:14

society is experiencing the same

45:16

like spectrum of emotion. You

45:18

know what I mean? Like just

45:20

because you have like, I mean, you

45:23

experienced it. I've experienced it. Like as you

45:25

get money, it's like, you know,

45:27

not to be cliche, but that also

45:29

creates problems. You know, like, I think

45:31

it creates different problems right now. Like it

45:33

creates a different problems for people. Like,

45:36

yeah, but this is, this is one of the broadest streamer

45:38

I've talked about this so many times throughout like I'll be

45:40

having a bad day and like my chat, someone on my

45:43

chat and you know, it's not like this a long time

45:45

sub or something like that. Like somebody in my community, but

45:47

like some random person imagine complaining as a multimillionaire. And

45:49

it's like, dude, just

45:52

like money doesn't just like numb your

45:54

feelings, bro. Like you can buy drugs

45:56

to then kill yourself after numbing like

45:58

the pain away. because you have

46:01

like the money but like just because you you make

46:04

money or have it does not mean you're immune to

46:07

Literally what like the human nature

46:09

right like human emotions and

46:11

like it really is that weird It's just so it

46:13

is so strange, right? I and it's

46:15

so easy for us or like, you know

46:17

to be in this position where like to

46:19

have it Well, I know just you know,

46:21

why your by your problems away or some

46:23

shit I'm like dude if it were that

46:26

easy like you wouldn't see these celebrities and

46:28

these rich people later like literally just crashing

46:30

and burning sometimes like Yeah

46:33

Yeah, you adjust to your level of

46:35

happiness to like like I think that

46:37

you know When when you when you

46:39

experience like a new high like yeah

46:41

You you you're riding that high for

46:44

a minute But like you're gonna gradually

46:46

adjust to that where you know, you're

46:48

your normal level of happiness is

46:50

like your your Wherever

46:52

it's consistent it it depends on your

46:54

mental and emotional stability

46:57

and like how much you're willing to like work on

46:59

that and reflect on it and kind

47:02

of like, you know kind

47:04

of examine your behavior and

47:06

Stuff like that and try to find gratitude

47:09

and appreciate the people in your life Like

47:11

that's the kind of shit that will will

47:13

actually make you happy But the more famous

47:15

you are and the more money you're getting

47:18

and all this shit the more volatile that

47:20

that can be So it's actually like those

47:23

people like a lot of those people

47:25

who are people are trying to bring

47:27

them down a notch They're actually not

47:29

happier than you so like oh, that's

47:32

another That's how I that's how I

47:34

say sane, bro. That's how I stay sane I know that there

47:36

aren't like, you know people talking shit about

47:38

me and or you know for

47:40

anyone for that matter I I know for

47:42

a fact, bro, like they aren't sitting there,

47:44

you know Having a lovely family dinner right

47:46

with their mom and dad and their siblings

47:48

like hey everyone How was your

47:50

day? Let's talk about our day like, you know

47:53

eating a home-cooked meal and and like living the

47:55

best life right like 99%

47:57

of the time bro, it is you know, it's some

47:59

dude who's depressed and sad or like, you know, in a dungeon

48:02

and you know, some troll who just wants to,

48:04

you know, bring someone down to their level. Right? Like no

48:06

one, like, you know what I mean? I, I picture when

48:08

someone like talks shit to me, right? Like I

48:10

don't picture some like 30 year old

48:13

happily married man, right?

48:15

Or woman like who's

48:17

like coming home. Hi honey, how was your dance?

48:19

Like, oh, I talk shit to, you know, called

48:22

ninja a fucking loser today on stream. It

48:24

was great. You know, like those

48:26

conversations, like, aren't

48:29

like, that's not, that's not what happens bro. Like

48:32

they're in a freaking discord group chat, right?

48:34

With some other people who are talking shit.

48:36

Like, you know, cause they're, yeah, it's miserable.

48:38

It's miserable people making other people miserable. It's

48:40

just, it's an endless cycle,

48:43

but it's what we get. It's

48:45

what we get these days. I'll take it brought

48:47

on. You know, if we're, if it's either life

48:49

with, with Twitter and we get that or life

48:51

without Twitter. And I think we all enjoy Twitter.

48:54

I do. I do love, I do love social

48:56

media, bro. All

48:58

right, man. Let's kind of like flip this

49:01

shit to some, some happiness for a little

49:03

bit. Um, although I've absolutely been loving these

49:05

conversations, um, super deep, not even what I

49:07

was expecting, but happy that I've

49:09

been to do this for all of, um, I love

49:12

talking about shit like this honestly. Also, you

49:14

know, these are the conversations that are really

49:16

worth having. This is the opposite of small

49:18

talk. You know, I absolutely, I

49:20

absolutely agree. And at the end of the day, like

49:22

the majority, I mean, my podcasts are always like, my

49:25

questionnaire is always going to be like almost never deep

49:27

questions. Like, cause my, my, I never want to put

49:29

someone in that position. Right. So like, you know,

49:31

I'm not going to be asking you about stuff like that. I'm not

49:33

going to be asking about all dark,

49:35

like serious shit. Someone

49:38

else. Like, like how, how, how was it when

49:40

your dog died? But

49:44

I'm always happy to, to end up

49:47

here, essentially, man. Um,

49:49

I do. So like your, your tricking, the album's

49:51

coming out. You got rock bottom, past music videos

49:53

are fucking amazing. I don't know if anyone knows,

49:55

if you guys haven't heard of CalScare before, look

49:57

them up on YouTube, listen to his shit. First

49:59

off. all amazing music, number one. Number two,

50:02

you're just known for these crazy ass music

50:04

videos, by the way. And like, I absolutely

50:06

love every single one that I've watched, um,

50:08

from Captain America to, uh, Money, Money by

50:10

Drugs. It's just classic little,

50:12

little, like what you

50:14

said kind of hits your, your weirdo vibe for

50:16

sure. Right. Any, do you have one planned

50:18

already? Do you know like the song on the album that's going

50:21

to be like, you know, the video yet, or are you still

50:23

just kind of like not even close to. Yeah.

50:25

We have, um, there's a couple of

50:27

songs that we've, uh, started to kinda

50:29

dream up the video ideas, which, which

50:32

usually to be honest, like is

50:34

just kinda, especially in the

50:37

past when we didn't have a budget for music

50:39

videos, it was just like me trying

50:41

to dream up a way to do,

50:44

to, to like execute a concept, um,

50:46

but like, so I'd have this big idea and

50:49

then I'd just kind of like lasso it and

50:51

try to, try to like contain it in a

50:53

box where, like where it would

50:55

make sense for the budget and it's doable and

50:58

it's makes everything a little bit easier. Um,

51:01

and, and also, first of all, uh,

51:03

appreciate you sharing the music

51:05

and the videos and shit on streams

51:07

that like, that was huge for me.

51:09

And like, you know, as an independent

51:11

artist, uh, those are things

51:14

like, to me, those are like the big

51:16

breaks that you need in a career, but

51:18

I think that like videos can

51:21

convey so much personality. Um,

51:24

so I, and I think we live in like

51:26

a society that like a very

51:28

visual society where with,

51:31

with our attention span and everything, it's

51:33

sometimes you have to see it to

51:36

really like, uh, understand it

51:38

and like be able to fully digest

51:40

it. I think sometimes it's

51:42

hard to listen to music without knowing

51:44

who's making the music and,

51:46

and like really start to become a

51:48

fan. I think that you almost have

51:50

to like envision the

51:53

whole person. Like you have to know who,

51:55

who the person is or how they're like

51:57

portraying themselves or whatever in order to really.

51:59

Just get to know you more, right?

52:01

Like, I think that to, I

52:04

found that as a streamer, I really,

52:06

you know, I think it's all intertwined. It's the

52:08

same shit. I feel like the more real you

52:10

can be with somebody, right? Like they can show

52:12

more, like they see more of you that that

52:14

is how you are going to get like deeper

52:16

fans, right, like bigger fans. Like

52:19

the more that they can connect with you. And

52:21

I definitely can get, I mean, to get that,

52:24

I get that you're just like fricking super talented,

52:26

long flowy, sexy hair, do call, who's obviously incredibly

52:28

talented. But like, you know, like you should do,

52:30

like eye vibe of that. I connected with those

52:32

videos. So I totally get it. I'm sure that's definitely

52:35

working for others too. But yeah, I

52:37

mean, for this project, like I was in

52:39

here like two, like, I don't know, three

52:42

days ago, I guess, for Thursday

52:44

or something with Corbett who produced

52:47

the majority of the, he

52:49

produced the whole first album, the whole unsigned

52:51

album. Then he produced the majority of while

52:54

you were sleeping. Then he's produced the

52:56

majority of this project. And I was

52:59

just, we're talking about this concept for one

53:02

of the songs and dude, we are crying

53:04

last and coming up with ideas. You

53:07

know, so like, so honestly, I just

53:09

enjoy like the visual aspect

53:11

of things. I enjoy like, I

53:13

enjoy being able to throw like more

53:15

humor into it, even if the

53:17

song isn't necessarily funny,

53:20

you know, like I still like, I'm

53:22

still looking at a way to

53:24

use humor in the

53:26

thing because if I'm

53:29

taking myself very seriously, it makes

53:31

you like, makes you an

53:33

easy target. So I've kind

53:35

of realized that like, no

53:37

one is ever gonna be better

53:39

at making fun of me than me. So

53:42

like, if you make fun of me, like

53:44

I'm already making fun of myself. So

53:47

you're kind of like helping me out, you know what I mean?

53:49

Hell yeah, bro. So that's my number one,

53:51

that's my number one bullying advice growing up, man. Not

53:53

growing up, but like, you know, I'll have parents come

53:55

in and my family's son's getting bullied and he buys

53:57

some shit. I'm like, you know, somebody

53:59

like, I'm the fattest kid in my class and being bullied and

54:02

like I never know if it's a joke or not But I always

54:04

get you know, I always give people

54:06

super sincere advice And

54:08

you're I mean dude, you're a hundred percent, right?

54:10

Like no one's gonna make fun of somebody making

54:12

fun of themselves. Number one, it becomes very difficult,

54:14

right? Especially here's some fat kid in school You

54:17

walk up to these bullies that are roasting the

54:19

shit out of you and you're just like man,

54:21

I'm fucking huge, right? Like oh, dude, you know

54:23

big Goliath coming through like, you know, they're not

54:25

gonna sit there and be like, yeah, you are

54:27

fat They're gonna be like what the fuck like

54:29

yeah, they're gonna be like damn he's enjoying this

54:32

Yeah, and that's in like a real

54:34

bully like bullies don't like that shit

54:36

bullies are trying to hurt You know

54:38

bullies are trying to tug at you at your

54:40

feelings and shit So it's like if they probably

54:43

talk at you, you know, I mean as well

54:45

because some of them might be a little closeted

54:47

Which is fine. And yeah And

54:49

as a and as a white rapper dude

54:52

That's just like you like I can't take

54:54

myself that seriously because like, you know Rap

54:56

is the rap is a pillar of black

54:58

culture and it's like it's built on you

55:01

know a lot of struggles from the black

55:04

community that I can't relate to so like

55:06

so I can't I can't come in

55:08

as a guest in the culture and

55:10

and like act Hard

55:13

all the time and act cool all the time

55:16

when I know that like that's not really me

55:19

Like I didn't I don't really have I

55:21

don't have the same experiences, you know So,

55:23

you know, I think that's that was like

55:25

the first thing that I realized is, you

55:27

know, I I'm I'm a goofy dude I'm

55:29

not gonna try to act like I'm not that

55:31

I'm gonna embrace that and I'm gonna

55:33

I'm gonna convey that in The videos

55:35

that we make dude. I think it's

55:37

a really amazing Perspective that

55:39

was a white rapper to like look at it

55:41

like that. I I never thought about it I

55:44

you know, I've never been able to like articulate

55:47

Basically, I could have never articulated what you just

55:49

said, right as somebody who like what you just

55:51

say you're a white rapper You've you experienced it

55:53

you lived it like you I think you know

55:55

more than anyone I that's that's a great

55:57

way to look at it Dude, and you know what you fucking killing

55:59

it. So I wrote word you

56:01

were like low on time if not already all

56:03

gone, but I don't care unless you have to

56:05

go somewhere We're just gonna swap over to our

56:08

final segment if you don't mind it. Yeah I

56:41

Did we ask all of our we don't ask all

56:44

of our questions all of our guests the same questions

56:46

But we do a vist or that segment followed by

56:48

other questions man. Here we go. These are gonna be

56:50

some pretty pretty hard hitters Did so no pressure dude.

56:52

All right, I'll start off hot with biggie or

56:54

pock. I was like

56:57

biggie mark cuz Again,

56:59

it's kind of what we just talked about.

57:01

It's like biggie to me was more of

57:03

like a vivid storyteller And

57:06

pock seems to be more of a like

57:08

voice of the streets So so to be

57:10

frank like I couldn't relate to pock as

57:13

much as I could relate to biggie

57:15

biggie I remember like story

57:17

detail growing up like with lime wire and

57:19

shit just downloading all I'm like King right

57:21

here, right? Everything

57:24

and and I remember story detail

57:27

where biggie's just explaining this

57:29

whole scenario where Where

57:32

he's fucking this chick and this dude comes

57:34

home, you know He's saying she gets dick

57:37

from a playoff to New York Knicks and

57:39

I'm just like I'm listening to that shit

57:41

and watching It in my head.

57:43

I always Listen

57:46

to biggie songs and felt that way like

57:48

he was painting a very vivid picture With

57:51

his storytelling and pocks were more

57:53

like street anthems, you know So

57:56

for me biggie more enjoyable Bro,

58:00

what an answer, bro? Like

58:03

you go dude, um Dude Drake

58:05

or Kendrick. Okay, first off. Let's

58:07

just let me kind of clarify who won the rap battle,

58:09

bro Kendrick. Oh, yeah. All

58:11

right. I'm definitely Part

58:14

of it is just strategic man You

58:16

got like he just the

58:18

fact that he was able to drop

58:20

me the grams Ten minutes after family

58:22

matters and just completely steal the moment

58:25

Yeah, like that it was over at that point and

58:27

then not like a not like us was just dancing

58:29

on the grave Yeah, yeah,

58:32

but I mean and I've always I've always liked

58:34

Drake man I've been that speaking

58:36

of long wire like I had I

58:39

used to download like everybody's Songs

58:41

I would like it so I downloaded I

58:44

would just find an artist I like

58:46

back then T-Pain T-Pain was oh, bro

58:48

I'm gonna buy you a drink dude.

58:50

I had that hit on repeat probably

58:52

played thousands of times the T-Pain is

58:55

the most underrated father

58:57

of All

58:59

music right now like he gets

59:02

far less credit He deserves so much

59:04

credit for for where music's at right now

59:07

But um, but I would go download

59:09

everybody's like discography essentially So I was

59:11

downloading a bunch of Trey song shit

59:13

and found he had a song called

59:15

replacement girl with this dude named Drake

59:18

And I and I looked up Drake after

59:20

that There was no other songs online wire

59:23

just this song called replacement girl And it

59:25

had this part in the first verse where

59:27

it like it wasn't Drake's full first verse

59:29

It would just skip for some reason it

59:32

skipped like part of the first verse So

59:34

I've been listening to Drake for a minute,

59:36

and I've always really enjoyed Drake, but

59:39

man Kendrick Kendrick

59:41

is much more much

59:45

much more Entertaining to me

59:47

at this point in in

59:49

both their careers so

59:51

so regardless of the rap battle I

59:54

would say that Kendrick is more

59:57

influential in in my life and

59:59

my artistry with

1:00:01

all the different like voices and personalities

1:00:03

and and switch up and

1:00:05

sit that he does on some of these records. It's

1:00:09

a lot more artistic than you've done. I

1:00:13

think that we talked about Ryan the Wave

1:00:15

for too long bro. I

1:00:18

imagine it's tough to also like

1:00:20

make you know in Drake's position

1:00:23

when you really haven't had like an L or

1:00:25

a low if you will like to kind of

1:00:27

actually create something like you know I

1:00:30

don't know relatable or like you know

1:00:32

what I mean like it's like well

1:00:35

you know it's like he's experienced like

1:00:37

nothing but success for and like absolute

1:00:39

W's for the last like in my

1:00:42

opinion like 15 years yeah right so

1:00:45

like I feel like it would do besides you know all

1:00:47

you know besides all the beef and getting into all that

1:00:49

specifically like was just a matter of time before like you

1:00:52

know this could be you know he could actually

1:00:54

make you know knows best album ever after

1:00:56

this right like you know a year two

1:00:58

years down the road that's what we're talking

1:01:00

about right it's sometimes sometimes you need to

1:01:02

low you need to feel the low you

1:01:05

need to take a loss and and like

1:01:07

make a pivot and and I

1:01:09

think both of them honestly are gonna come

1:01:11

out and like with heat

1:01:13

this year like I think yeah I

1:01:15

think it's probably sped up their process

1:01:18

for their next album because they're both

1:01:20

they're both like it Drake is is

1:01:23

probably a little anxious to to get

1:01:25

back to that and to get back

1:01:27

to like putting out records that everybody's

1:01:29

enjoying and I think Kendrick's like man

1:01:32

this fired me back up you know Kenny

1:01:34

yeah sometimes takes like two three four five

1:01:36

years in between albums and I think I

1:01:39

think he's gonna look at this and be

1:01:41

like oh I'm fucking I'm amped I'm cooking

1:01:43

yeah so I think

1:01:45

I think I need that to some

1:01:47

extent too I think I

1:01:50

think sometimes having something to prove

1:01:52

is like that that's when

1:01:55

you're I'm sure when you were first

1:01:57

are now with streaming and and starting

1:01:59

to experience of success. And like, because I know

1:02:02

we talked about it. I don't know how much

1:02:04

you talked about it with, with, you know, most

1:02:06

of your consistent viewers, but

1:02:08

like, what was it

1:02:10

noodle noodle and company and noodles and

1:02:12

company, baby? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like

1:02:14

when you have that financial burden with

1:02:16

your back and you're so walled and

1:02:18

you're and you're even half eight dollars

1:02:20

an hour, bro. For real, when you

1:02:22

have that and it's a lot

1:02:24

of times that's way easier to do

1:02:28

your job at that moment. It's a way easier to create the eight

1:02:31

and like grind when, when

1:02:33

it's kind of like your survival is dependent on

1:02:36

it. So I think, I think that

1:02:38

sometimes we need a little need a light, a

1:02:40

little fire under under your ass

1:02:42

to get you up and get moving.

1:02:44

So I think both those guys are probably going

1:02:46

to come out with some heat soon. Definitely

1:02:48

agree. Can't wait. Super

1:02:50

pumped on both ends. For

1:02:52

both, I didn't see like how they both exactly

1:02:54

like how they handle it when they're going to

1:02:56

come out with stuff. It's going to be, you

1:02:58

know, months from now, years from now, whatever. I

1:03:00

did studio sessions or live shows, man,

1:03:04

uh, student,

1:03:07

it's kind of funny because like, I don't,

1:03:09

I don't, I never really make music

1:03:11

with other people in the room. So,

1:03:14

so you're either talking about like

1:03:16

me plus 500 people or me

1:03:19

by myself. They're complete, they're complete

1:03:21

opposite scenarios. Um, I

1:03:23

mean, I love a live show getting,

1:03:25

getting an entire room full of adults

1:03:27

to scream, uh, uh,

1:03:29

got my ass ate. It was great. So you do

1:03:32

that. It was great. Yeah. It might

1:03:34

be the best line of all time. Yeah. That's one, that's

1:03:36

one of my favorite things. I think that might

1:03:38

be one of my greatest accomplishments as an artist is

1:03:40

to get a room full of adults to be able

1:03:42

to sing that shit. Um,

1:03:44

but, uh, yeah, I mean,

1:03:46

they're completely different. I would

1:03:48

say that, uh, studios sessions

1:03:51

are rewarding in a different

1:03:54

sense because, you know, my

1:03:56

job to create music

1:03:58

is like the, most rewarding

1:04:00

thing is to come up with something

1:04:02

that I like and then you achieve

1:04:04

that there rather than live shows. Yeah,

1:04:07

but then the celebration is the live

1:04:09

show, you know, right? Because then you

1:04:11

get to go enjoy what you created

1:04:14

with people who also

1:04:16

like who that song

1:04:18

resonates with. So yeah, it's

1:04:20

kind of it's kind of

1:04:22

without studio sessions, the live shows don't

1:04:25

bang. So I guess I

1:04:27

got a lean studio session. Oh,

1:04:29

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1:04:31

oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1:04:33

oh, I can see that too. I have severe

1:04:35

anxiety when it comes to performing or like not

1:04:37

even performing, but like being on stage. It's

1:04:40

totally different. So I feel that

1:04:42

dude. All right. Long hair, short hair, bro. Long

1:04:44

hair, screw be. Yeah, I have to. I mean,

1:04:46

the one thing that was nice about having short

1:04:49

hair is you get out of

1:04:51

the shower and you and you just,

1:04:53

you know, give it a quick

1:04:55

towel rub and take two seconds

1:04:57

and it's dry. You're good.

1:04:59

So that's the only thing is like now I

1:05:01

get out, you know, and I

1:05:03

wrap, wrap my hair up in a towel, you

1:05:05

know, looking like I'm out of spa or something.

1:05:08

That's a vibe though, right? Yeah,

1:05:10

it makes me feel, makes me feel pretty, bro.

1:05:14

But but no, I mean, I like

1:05:17

the long hair. I like to let it flow. At some

1:05:19

point, at some point, I'm gonna give it a little chop,

1:05:21

but I'm never going, never going as long as I

1:05:23

can, can keep it. I'm

1:05:25

going to keep it, you know,

1:05:28

unless unless I get the LeBron

1:05:30

receding hairline. I think

1:05:32

you'd already you would be experiencing that.

1:05:34

Yeah, my dad's bald. My grandfather and

1:05:36

my mom's side was bald. So

1:05:39

you're skipping, you skipped it. You got lucky, bro. I'm

1:05:42

hoping man. I'm I'm still maybe maybe

1:05:44

maybe I'm just a late bloomer. No,

1:05:47

I only. My

1:05:49

my spot my Spotify bio says I'm 41. Oh,

1:05:52

that's funny. You said I think it I

1:05:55

think so. So if so

1:05:57

by my Spotify bio, which I made like five

1:05:59

years ago. Probably 46

1:06:02

46 damn with me balding at 46 man I

1:06:05

know I mean I did

1:06:07

every time I go get a haircut bro Like sometimes at

1:06:09

a wrong angle sometimes it looks like I am but like

1:06:11

cuz my my grant my mom's dad

1:06:15

So my grandfather like on it, you know on

1:06:17

her side. He was balding a bald He bought

1:06:19

his hell and my oldest brother's bald as shit.

1:06:21

So like, you know, I'm always like asking my

1:06:23

my You know my

1:06:25

hairstylist. I'm like is my hair seating like tell

1:06:27

me immediately. I'm immediately getting on shit Oh, absolutely,

1:06:29

bro, like don't lie to me the second you

1:06:32

start seeing this going back sinning anything like

1:06:34

that, bro I mean, I'm gonna be on

1:06:36

all the freaking oils and shit

1:06:38

like I Will not

1:06:40

let myself go bald, bro. Hey, what

1:06:43

if ninja got a low taper favor?

1:06:48

I'm gonna get another one. Honestly, that

1:06:50

was fire. Honestly, that shit was fire.

1:06:52

Yeah, my buddy or my buddy Well,

1:06:54

he's a friend. He's also cringe and

1:06:57

listening right now to this under fuck

1:06:59

you He

1:07:01

will be Getting me getting me

1:07:03

a nice freaking like barber set up at uh in

1:07:05

Vegas So are we gonna get a proper little taper

1:07:08

for the record, too? I think that's

1:07:10

that's a perfect example of something we were

1:07:12

talking about earlier where it's like where it's

1:07:14

like, you know If you

1:07:16

took yourself real seriously, then you

1:07:19

might you might you see like when

1:07:21

you take yourself seriously you can get

1:07:23

paranoid to it to a sense where

1:07:25

it's like where you feel

1:07:27

like You feel like a

1:07:29

the butt of a joke, you know, I

1:07:31

mean, but yeah, but like you played into

1:07:33

that one because you're like Yo, this this

1:07:36

is funny and it's fire. You know,

1:07:38

it was dope as shit I've

1:07:41

learned to not I've learned dude. I will never I'll never do

1:07:43

it again I did it back in like I did it back

1:07:45

in like like ligma days, dude It's so like my very

1:07:47

first like meme moment where I was like and it would

1:07:49

do looking back at it It was the cringe shit in

1:07:52

the world to like lean away from it I don't know

1:07:54

why I was so angry but like there

1:07:56

was this meme that like I died of ligma, right?

1:08:00

or just some OG shit, and then Ligma Balls,

1:08:02

dude. And people were just coming to my stream,

1:08:04

and they were like, yo, bro, how's Ligma? And

1:08:06

I was just like, I don't have Ligma. What

1:08:08

is happening? And it just blew the

1:08:10

meme up even more in a bad way, right? Like,

1:08:12

bro, you can't take a joke, all this shit. I

1:08:14

was like, I'll never let that happen again, bro. Then

1:08:16

Ninja New Year's happens, and the second I got back

1:08:18

to my phone when no one flossed me,

1:08:21

and I got back up into the studio to finish the

1:08:23

New Year's stream, I tweeted out immediately. I was like, well,

1:08:25

that was the most awkward moment of my entire life, but

1:08:27

can't get any worse than that. And I've

1:08:29

leaned into that meme for the rest of

1:08:31

my life, and I never actually feel embarrassment

1:08:33

from it. Yeah, because it all

1:08:35

comes with the growth, man. That all

1:08:37

comes with the experience, and then just

1:08:40

like we were saying, if

1:08:43

you take yourself too seriously, you're an

1:08:45

easy target. Easy. If you play along

1:08:47

with the jokes, then you're invincible, bro.

1:08:50

Nothing can hurt you. Easy, easy. All

1:08:52

right, last one for this is that, bro. Tour life or

1:08:54

home life? Home life, man.

1:08:57

Tour life. Tour life

1:08:59

is so brutal, and

1:09:01

I'm so low-key on

1:09:04

the touring side that a lot

1:09:06

of artists, I think they can

1:09:08

get kind of bougie, and

1:09:12

they want to get the tour bus, and

1:09:14

they want to stay at nice hotels and

1:09:16

shit. I'm like, La Quinta Inn, where the

1:09:18

water doesn't drain. You know what I

1:09:20

mean? I'm like, oh, we get a fucking continental breakfast.

1:09:26

I'm down there at 9 a.m.,

1:09:28

eating stale bagels and shit. Like,

1:09:31

I really, the tour

1:09:33

life is not glorious. A

1:09:36

lot of people think it's like all partying and

1:09:38

shit. It's like, no, you go do your job,

1:09:41

and then you're so fucking exhausted, you can't, like,

1:09:43

you would go sleep in a bed with bed

1:09:45

bugs, and you'd be fine with it. So,

1:09:47

yeah, I definitely just enjoy being at

1:09:50

home in my space. You know, that's

1:09:52

my sanctuary. Yeah, bro, I've

1:09:54

interviewed enough and had enough friends, music

1:09:56

friends, to know that it's like you're

1:09:59

at 100. the entire

1:10:01

time on tour, like almost no time

1:10:03

to chill. So talk about being an

1:10:05

introvert. Always. Yeah. Oh, literally. Right.

1:10:07

Only time you're not even when you're not on, like you

1:10:10

still, you still have to like mentally get there

1:10:12

cause you know, you want to be hyped for

1:10:14

your shows and shit. And oh man, I'm not

1:10:16

going to go. All right, dude. Other questions, my

1:10:19

guy, who's winning the NBA championship? Wolves,

1:10:21

baby. Yes, sir. Please.

1:10:26

So I don't know if you sports that, but I've

1:10:28

gotten into it recently. I'm doing it the responsible way.

1:10:30

I'm gambling within my means. I have a limit, right?

1:10:32

My wife knows he's got my access to accounts and

1:10:34

stuff like that. So there's no hiding. I can't, you

1:10:36

know, I can't develop some crazy addiction where

1:10:38

I'm pulling out a hundred and a thousand dollars for now.

1:10:40

I feel good, bro. I feel like I would have already

1:10:43

had like this, you know, it would

1:10:45

have happened already. I'm very, I bet petty

1:10:47

amounts of money. Like I'm so self-aware though.

1:10:51

Like I will know when it's a problem. Okay.

1:10:54

Anyways, I, I, the Timberwolves were up. I was

1:10:56

dude, I saw these Anthony Edwards, TikTok

1:10:58

like height videos, dude. And I was like, dude,

1:11:00

there's just no way they lose this game brothers.

1:11:02

There's no way they lose. And I bet a

1:11:04

thousand on them to win it all when

1:11:06

they were up to nil. So my odds were

1:11:08

terrible. Like nearly as good as it could have

1:11:10

been because if I would have gotten them when

1:11:12

they were down three, two, that would have been

1:11:14

way better. But like I'm all

1:11:17

in on the wolves, dude. I'm on the wolves. Do you have,

1:11:19

do you have like, don't you have like a

1:11:21

betting pod or something? Not

1:11:24

yet. I have a sports show. My brothers and stuff like that, but

1:11:26

like, I've seen, cause that's what I've

1:11:28

seen. And I've seen close to that cause I that's,

1:11:30

I've always wanted to like be a part of that

1:11:32

shit because I loved like

1:11:34

sports is basically my only

1:11:36

other hobby outside of music. Like dude, we

1:11:39

would love to have you as a guest

1:11:41

row for sure. We just knew that I

1:11:43

would love that because I, I, like

1:11:46

I said, I bet like I've usually bet small amounts,

1:11:48

but I'm a, I'm a big futures guy. So like

1:11:51

when you were saying the wolves were up to, oh,

1:11:53

like I know that the wolves Western conference

1:11:55

odds when they were up to was

1:11:57

plus a hundred. You know what I

1:11:59

mean? Like I, I'm always hawking because I always

1:12:01

like to make sure that I get, that

1:12:03

I get good bets in, you know, I

1:12:07

feel good about good bets. Um, I had

1:12:09

like, I had some good

1:12:11

futures in, in, in NCAA basketball

1:12:13

last year. I took Pittsburgh to

1:12:15

win the ACC and they, they

1:12:18

lost their final game, uh, at

1:12:21

Miami with by three in which, if they

1:12:23

would have won that I'd put 50,

1:12:25

I had a 50 at plus

1:12:28

22,500. So

1:12:31

I had, I had 50 to win 11,000 bucks. And

1:12:35

I mean, obviously I hedged with a

1:12:37

little bit. Hell yeah. Yeah,

1:12:39

a little bit. But, but man, like

1:12:42

I, I'm a big, uh, I'm a

1:12:44

big futures guy and I've had wolves,

1:12:46

I've had wolves features for

1:12:48

a while now. So, oh, so

1:12:50

you're cooking right now, bro. Yeah. So

1:12:52

I'm, I'm waiting on it. That's what I'm talking

1:12:55

about, bro. So the wolves

1:12:57

love that all the way. Totally. I'm

1:12:59

going to have to agree with you there as well. Uh,

1:13:01

I think it's gonna be great series, uh, against the maps.

1:13:03

It can be, I mean, I hope there's no bluffs. I

1:13:05

don't really think there's going to be, I think it's just

1:13:07

going to be close game after close game after close game,

1:13:09

but you never know. I think there's down the line. I

1:13:12

think, I think something spacious is going to be closer than

1:13:14

people. I do. I am 100%. I

1:13:16

want to put money on it. So I'm at

1:13:18

it for them to win the series, like four,

1:13:20

like four, two, four, three, like, yeah,

1:13:23

bro, like they shot 72% in the first half. Which

1:13:26

is like a playoff record. Well, and

1:13:28

they run, and they run like nine deep,

1:13:30

you know, they're, and they're, they're benches have

1:13:32

been playing really well. So, yeah, T.J. McConnell's

1:13:35

been stepping up hard for them. Yeah.

1:13:37

Like, like what, like who, like, bro,

1:13:39

like I might have to, I

1:13:41

might have to drop a T.J. McConnell bar at that.

1:13:45

Bro, this guy, first off, he was just all

1:13:47

over jail and like defensively, like he had some

1:13:49

of his, you know, Jaylen to some of his

1:13:52

worst games when McConnell was on him. And

1:13:54

like, dude, this guy's like line is

1:13:56

that like eight and a half, nine and a half, five points

1:13:58

or something like that at the beginning of this. series and at the

1:14:00

end it's ending at like 15, right? Because

1:14:03

this dude just, he's just putting numbers

1:14:05

up. He's basically a morse. Do you

1:14:07

know who Aaron Kraft is? He's

1:14:09

an Ohio State basketball legend and

1:14:12

he's just like, he's just one

1:14:14

of those household guys that like,

1:14:16

he's annoyingly active and he's basically

1:14:18

like, like Aaron Kraft, but

1:14:20

with like some, with some basketball skill. But

1:14:22

no, it's fun to, it's fun to watch

1:14:24

a dude out there who it's

1:14:27

basically, you're watching a white guy who

1:14:29

doesn't, who doesn't really shoot it that

1:14:31

well. I mean, actually his, his, I think his

1:14:33

three point percentage is pretty decent. I think it's

1:14:35

like, I don't know, 38, 39%,

1:14:38

but he doesn't really take them. So it

1:14:40

was nice to watch like a six little

1:14:43

white dude out there who's just hooving. You

1:14:45

know, just based on my Representing bro. We

1:14:47

need someone. We need someone bro. Even Genzo

1:14:49

on the next two, by the way, my

1:14:52

guy could shoot three. Yeah. He was a

1:14:54

blast to watch. Yeah. He's an Italian American,

1:14:56

Italian American though. He's, he's not

1:14:59

a, as far as, as far

1:15:01

as American, like truly American white dudes in

1:15:03

the NBA. They're, they're very, they're very, Yeah.

1:15:06

Luca and then yeah, those guys, they don't

1:15:09

count. Yeah. Those heroes are different bro. Um,

1:15:12

hell yeah. All right, dude. What is, uh, what's your

1:15:14

favorite video game growing up as a kid? Um,

1:15:17

so let's see, uh, my favorite as

1:15:19

like a teen. Uh, and

1:15:21

I actually, I actually, I got into it

1:15:24

for like a summer, a couple

1:15:26

of years ago, but it was, it was

1:15:28

just a little time consuming for me was,

1:15:30

uh, gears of war. Yeah. Hell

1:15:33

yeah. Hell yeah, bro. I, like gears is

1:15:35

like my like third game. Like so it

1:15:37

was, it was Halo, cod and

1:15:40

then gears, but like my gears era

1:15:42

was dope. It was short lived, but

1:15:44

it was so fun. I love it.

1:15:46

The campaign were amazing. The campaign was

1:15:48

amazing. They just say, well, and just

1:15:50

with exploding heads, you know,

1:15:52

that's right. That's really where it's at

1:15:54

for me. That's why I like watching,

1:15:56

watching fallout, uh, on prime. Have you

1:15:58

seen No, but everyone's been

1:16:01

telling me to watch it. So this month this is

1:16:03

the final stamp of approval I think I might as

1:16:05

well just send it. Yeah, I just or even like

1:16:07

Fargo like I need a little bit of like almost

1:16:10

almost comic gore In

1:16:13

a have you seen i'm assuming that you've seen

1:16:16

The boys then oh, yeah, of course.

1:16:18

Okay. That's exactly what you're talking about. Yes,

1:16:20

exactly. I mean it will the That's

1:16:23

even crazier. Yeah that one the start

1:16:25

of season three or whatever where the

1:16:27

dude With the dude's penis.

1:16:29

I won't say The

1:16:32

orgy the orgy scene bro. That was

1:16:34

the fucking insane. Yeah, talk about

1:16:36

a way to start the To

1:16:38

start the show for sure. Definitely. I was not ready for

1:16:41

that shit. I mean, I wasn't ready for it I wasn't

1:16:43

ready. I mean even episode one Yeah,

1:16:45

right like episode one when yeah, I don't want to

1:16:47

again no spoilers, but he like yeah Yeah,

1:16:49

atrain within the first 30 seconds of the show,

1:16:51

right? Is it like what? Yeah,

1:16:53

I would hook you Yeah, they hook

1:16:55

you like that, but let me say

1:16:57

this though. I do think that the

1:17:00

greatest game ever created Is

1:17:02

zelda ocarina of time? What's

1:17:04

the classic dude? That's I believe it or not. I

1:17:06

wasn't a huge nintendo kid like growing up We just

1:17:08

didn't have one. So I only could play at my

1:17:10

buddy's house All right, any of

1:17:12

my friend's houses, so like never had nintendo.

1:17:14

I had a n64 So

1:17:17

like I I missed a lot of like the

1:17:19

zelda games growing up um But I still

1:17:21

respect those games where I know how massive they are for

1:17:23

like just And I do

1:17:25

I think multiple would agree with you like that

1:17:27

that game was like a masterpiece It

1:17:30

was beautiful, man. It was I actually brought

1:17:32

it back like a couple years ago. I

1:17:34

borrowed my friends, uh, 3ds And

1:17:37

got it got it for 3ds and and replayed

1:17:39

the whole game still couldn't beat it without

1:17:41

a guide either So that isn't that

1:17:44

kind of hey, I miss those types of games, bro

1:17:46

Yeah, those are my it kind of ruined as a

1:17:48

streamer like That's actually one of them like one of

1:17:50

my least favorite things as a streamer is Is

1:17:52

like I am on a timeline to beat a video

1:17:54

game as fast as possible when it comes out Like

1:17:57

we're talking like a brand new rpg, right? Because

1:17:59

like once People can catch up or

1:18:02

they're ahead of me, right? Then you got

1:18:04

spoilers in the chat, right? Got people back

1:18:06

feeding, like telling you like, oh, don't go

1:18:08

there wrong way, wrong way, wrong way. And

1:18:10

bro, dude, it's like having

1:18:12

audio issues. I don't know, like audio

1:18:15

issues is just, bro, audio is

1:18:17

only coming out of left one year, one year. What's

1:18:19

going on? You can't hear shit. Your mic's cutting in

1:18:21

and out. And if you don't know what it is,

1:18:23

like then you start getting all flustered and shit. You

1:18:25

start looking up, bro, that's the worst feeling in the

1:18:27

world is playing an RPG. And somebody's like, go left,

1:18:29

no, right, no. Dude, you're going the

1:18:31

wrong way. Dude, look, it's just like, fuck. Ah,

1:18:33

yeah, you got to stay ahead of it. Oh,

1:18:35

it's stressful. So that's why I've been playing some

1:18:37

games off stream, which is like much more relaxing.

1:18:39

Don't even remember what that feels like. Yeah,

1:18:42

bet. All right, man, if you had

1:18:44

to delete, we asked all of

1:18:46

our guests this question, bro. If

1:18:48

you had to delete all but three apps from your phone, right,

1:18:51

you only get three, which ones are you keeping and

1:18:53

why? Hmm. Hmm.

1:18:58

Hmm. Well, I

1:19:00

got to have, I got to have, I

1:19:03

mean, there's like Safari or Chrome count. Nah, nah,

1:19:05

nah, nah, that shit comes with it, bro. Okay,

1:19:07

okay, okay, see you, okay. Man,

1:19:11

I got, well, I got to say Twitter, because

1:19:14

Twitter is like, Twitter is,

1:19:18

I will, like, I think I love how

1:19:21

my, like how it caters my

1:19:23

algorithm at this point. It's just perfect.

1:19:26

Yeah, like you're, yeah, I got a, I got a fixed

1:19:29

nine, bro. I'm telling you right now, I got a fixed

1:19:31

nine. Mine's bad. It's like too much drama and news and

1:19:33

shit, but it's like, it's probably because I'm fucking watching that.

1:19:35

Exactly, yeah. Right? And it's like,

1:19:37

I got to just start swiping through it

1:19:39

to get to the good shit. Mine is

1:19:41

all T-wolves right now. Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah.

1:19:43

Mine's not. That's my TikTok. My TikTok is

1:19:45

fricking Karl Anthony Townsend at its role. Tell

1:19:47

me you've seen, like, after all that. Dude,

1:19:49

I actually, I actually wrote a bar that,

1:19:53

that says, man, I,

1:19:56

I guess I can, since I'm already talking about it, I'll just go

1:19:58

ahead and say it. But it's, says my

1:20:00

closet used to be stuck with the goofy

1:20:02

stuff. They handed me down. They changed in

1:20:04

the way they talk to me now. Sound

1:20:06

like Anthony towns. Oh yeah.

1:20:09

That's good dude. I had to, I had to,

1:20:12

I had to get one. And that was actually

1:20:14

before that was like couple of weeks ago. And

1:20:16

I, when I put that down, so, but I

1:20:18

like, I like that. I

1:20:21

love camera. Did that energy dude, dude, dude, to

1:20:23

like, it listen to have those fluctuations in your

1:20:25

voice to like talk like that. And then to

1:20:27

just be fucking seven, five, where we just don't

1:20:30

get on people, bro, like what

1:20:32

a vibe, right? Like, dude, what a vibe.

1:20:34

And then him and Anthony, I can, the

1:20:36

post post game interviews, it's just comedy, bro.

1:20:39

Like it is box office. I would pay,

1:20:41

I would pay money. I would pay pay-per-view

1:20:43

prices to watch the rest of it. Oh,

1:20:46

it's six and 24. Damn, I suck

1:20:48

bro. It's just like, man, and it's

1:20:50

the best. And it's the most likable guy

1:20:53

in the NBA right now. I

1:20:55

know. I completely agree. I can't wait to

1:20:57

watch the rest of the series. There's going

1:20:59

to be freaking lights out. Uh, other two

1:21:01

apps, bro. Other types you got ticked. Yeah.

1:21:03

You got Twitter. Um, let's see. I guess

1:21:05

I would say Instagram because my Instagram right

1:21:08

now that algorithm is perfect too, which is

1:21:10

all capybara. You know what a

1:21:12

capybara is? Yeah. A little

1:21:14

copy of ours, dude. How cute. Yeah. Yeah.

1:21:16

Little, uh, little basically like large, like dog

1:21:18

sized guinea pig. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're huge.

1:21:21

They're awesome, bro. They're awesome. They're like the,

1:21:23

what do they call? Like the, like

1:21:26

the best friend of the animal kingdom, right? Like

1:21:28

they have like no, no predators, like no one

1:21:30

will eat them. They're like friends with snakes and

1:21:32

spiders or some weird shit. Yeah. They get along

1:21:34

with like all different kinds. So I don't think

1:21:36

they're legal in California, so I'll

1:21:38

have to move. But I do want to get a, I do

1:21:40

want to get like a farm. My parents have,

1:21:43

have like a barn and shit and they have like

1:21:45

goats and I want to, yeah, I

1:21:47

want to have like all different kinds of animals when I'm.

1:21:49

Yeah, bro. Dude, I think that can. Oh

1:21:52

dude. Shit. When you retire, I was going to say that could be like a. I

1:21:55

could be like a next music video. Like you

1:21:57

just like, you just like walking a llama, right? Or

1:21:59

like. I'm on the back of a capyball, you know what

1:22:01

I mean? I can see it

1:22:03

now, dude. I really want that. But no,

1:22:06

so I'd say Instagram, I

1:22:08

just, you know, social media,

1:22:10

it can be toxic, but

1:22:12

goddamn, it's entertaining, man. E-E-E-E-E.

1:22:14

So entertaining. Yeah,

1:22:16

last but not least. I

1:22:18

guess I'll say, I mean,

1:22:21

I'm not gonna say Apple

1:22:24

Music and Spotify, which for the record,

1:22:26

Apple Music is better than Spotify because

1:22:28

they pay more. So, yeah,

1:22:31

so there you go. Man,

1:22:35

I would say, I

1:22:37

don't have any interesting, any

1:22:39

interesting, man, my notes have been

1:22:41

my voice recording app

1:22:46

or are. They're already on it. Already on

1:22:48

it. They're already, they come with it.

1:22:50

All right, so give me some of your. I got you,

1:22:52

bro, I got you. Are you

1:22:54

hungry right now? Oh

1:22:56

my God, dude. I

1:22:58

do not want that one. I do not want it.

1:23:00

You don't want it? No, I don't want you to

1:23:03

eat. Seriously, that's the issue

1:23:05

right now. It's too damn easy just

1:23:07

to click something and have a bunch

1:23:09

of shit delivered to your door. Way

1:23:11

too much shit. Yeah,

1:23:14

I will say that's true, but come

1:23:16

on, dude. I mean, you ain't gonna

1:23:18

cook. Yeah, that's the truth. But

1:23:20

I'd lose a lot of weight and I'd probably feel

1:23:22

better about myself if I didn't have it worked. Same.

1:23:26

Yeah, I don't know, man. ESPN

1:23:29

app, even though it's the worst app to

1:23:34

be the worldwide leader in sports and

1:23:36

have the shittiest app on the planet. And

1:23:39

that's, it's tragic. Yeah, they just don't care, bro.

1:23:41

They don't give a fuck. Yeah, go fuck yourself,

1:23:43

money bro. They're just like, deal with it. Use

1:23:45

the app. But I would say that,

1:23:48

you know, because if you got some props out

1:23:50

there, you gotta be checking the box for. Okay,

1:23:53

okay. All right, man. All

1:23:55

right, last but not least, bro, this

1:23:57

podcast is called AFK with Ninja. All the gamers out there.

1:24:00

there anyone who's hip understands AFK stands for

1:24:02

away from keyboard. Alright,

1:24:04

but dude for you, right

1:24:06

in your own words define AFK, what

1:24:08

do you do when you're

1:24:11

AFK? What do you do to

1:24:13

get away from it all? Oh man, I feel like

1:24:15

I'm lost if I'm not in the

1:24:17

studio. Like

1:24:22

I just I don't know what to do with myself. I'm

1:24:25

a TV and film guy. I want to obviously

1:24:28

with the music videos, I enjoy like the

1:24:30

narrative aspect of that. I enjoy good writing

1:24:33

and good acting. I mean, I

1:24:35

live with my graphic

1:24:37

designer. I live

1:24:39

with my videographer and my assistant. So

1:24:42

like I enjoy spending time with

1:24:44

those guys. I'm not gonna lie. I enjoy getting

1:24:47

fucked up with those guys. You

1:24:49

know what I mean? Like

1:24:51

going to Barney's playing pool. This

1:24:55

like really, really

1:24:57

easy going like I probably

1:25:01

don't have enough hobbies. My

1:25:03

girl's got hobbies. She does

1:25:05

like archery and

1:25:07

she reads books and shit. So

1:25:11

she does a bunch of cool shit. She's good at that. I'm

1:25:14

me not so much. But

1:25:16

I mean, I honestly am just so

1:25:18

happy with my job. There's

1:25:23

Mark Manson who wrote a subtle art of

1:25:25

not giving a fuck if you read that.

1:25:29

It's one of like the one

1:25:31

of my favorite self help type books

1:25:33

because it's just brutally honest. You

1:25:36

know, it's not like oh, wake up at 4 30 in the

1:25:38

morning in your life and you'll be a millionaire or whatever. He

1:25:43

talks about being

1:25:45

happy in life is like you're always

1:25:47

gonna have challenges. You're always gonna have problems

1:25:50

and it's about finding the problems that

1:25:52

you enjoy solving. And for

1:25:54

me, I just enjoy the

1:25:56

problem like trying to put

1:25:59

into words how I... feel on a record or

1:26:01

trying to, you know, create a scenario on

1:26:03

a record. Like for me to come up

1:26:05

with an idea and work at it and

1:26:08

work at it and watch it come to

1:26:10

life and then create a video

1:26:12

for it, like to be honest, nothing makes me

1:26:14

happier than that. So like, that's

1:26:16

what I always want to do with my

1:26:18

spare time. Even when I sit down and

1:26:21

struggle for eight, 10, 12 hours and write

1:26:23

nothing I like, I still sit down the

1:26:25

next day. I'm happy, you

1:26:27

know, to approach that, that same challenge.

1:26:29

So, I mean, honestly, that

1:26:31

to me is living the dream and, and

1:26:34

I don't have much of a reason

1:26:36

to, to pursue other hobbies, um,

1:26:39

as long as this is something I

1:26:41

enjoy this much, you know, so I'm

1:26:43

blessed. There we, there we have

1:26:45

it, man. Cal, screw you. Fucking

1:26:47

AFK answer. Thank you, dude, for taking the

1:26:50

time to be on the show and yap

1:26:52

with me, brother. Um, dude,

1:26:54

I appreciate it, dude. It's been an absolute

1:26:57

blast and actually blast. I appreciate, uh, I

1:26:59

appreciate you letting me get off topic and

1:27:01

just, and just yap. Cause sometimes since I

1:27:03

don't see anybody else, sometimes I just got

1:27:06

to, I just got to air it out.

1:27:08

So this is, this was therapy for me,

1:27:10

man. And

1:27:16

there you have it folks. We've reached the

1:27:18

end of another Epic AFK with Ninja episode.

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