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All right, how have you been? Good

3:14

man, good. Just busy with life, kids, training,

3:17

business, just grinding, grinding,

3:20

baby. Dude, we'll jump into everything, man.

3:22

But first, what better way to hop into

3:25

this, first off, thank you for coming, obviously,

3:27

number one. But

3:29

what better way to hop into this juicy little

3:31

show, this juicy little podcast and jump into some

3:34

of this news that we can't not address, especially

3:36

since obviously this is exactly in your line of

3:39

work, brother. The Jake

3:41

Paul, Mike Tyson, fight being canceled, dude. I would

3:43

love to know your initial thoughts on it. You

3:46

know, it sucks, obviously, because I wanted to

3:48

see Mike Tyson and Jake Paul fight just

3:50

because I'm a big fan of Jake Paul.

3:52

I know I'm very critical of

3:54

his work. It's part of my brand.

3:56

It's just my background of being a

3:59

martial artist. But

4:02

I'm sad, but I'm also like, you know,

4:04

as any day, there's so many other boxers

4:06

out there that can give Jake Paul a

4:08

challenge. You know, Mike Tyson, Mike Tyson can

4:11

be 58 years old. Obviously he's older and

4:13

you know, I think it's smart that they

4:15

did cancel it for kids health reasons because

4:17

that's the last thing the fucking Netflix

4:19

needs is somebody getting killed on their

4:21

first live sporting event. No,

4:24

dude, that would be absolutely terrible, man. I mean, I wish

4:26

I knew more about it. I don't know if like, with

4:28

like the Mike Tyson's issue, I like, I wonder if it

4:30

was for like the, like the strength of

4:33

his training, right? I mean, he kind of just like

4:35

turned it on, right? Like, for the first time in

4:37

the- They said it was something

4:39

to do with ulcers. That's what I saw on the internet,

4:41

but you know, that's also trust internet. But when you're 58

4:43

years, 57, going on 58, and

4:46

you're training that hard, something's

4:49

gonna, you know, break or come

4:51

up, you know? And I think it was like a

4:53

pre-medical testing that was-

4:56

That like sparked that. That kind of like raised

4:59

the red flag and I'm like, okay, I don't think you'll

5:01

be ready to do this essentially. Who

5:03

did you think judging from like the training videos that

5:05

were coming out, right? The high videos that were

5:07

coming out, who did you have your money

5:09

on? Cause I know who I had my money on, but-

5:12

I mean, it's

5:15

boxing, right? And obviously Mike

5:19

Tyson should win. He should have won, but

5:21

you know, it's boxing, you know? And he

5:23

is older. So when you get hit, your

5:25

body doesn't respond the right way. So I

5:27

was wondering what Mike Tyson were gonna lose,

5:29

you know, that's the legend. No,

5:32

totally, man. I watched a lot of the, I

5:34

watched a lot of like the, the warmer videos,

5:36

the training videos, and like just, you know, obviously

5:38

I felt like Mike was just the intensity at

5:40

which he was training, like the speed that he

5:42

still had, right? The, just,

5:44

I mean, just everything, right? I feel like

5:46

the intensity was just on another level compared

5:50

to Jake's videos. And I'm not saying that Jake's

5:52

not training as hard, but it just, you know,

5:54

I mean, dude, Mike's an absolute legend. I

5:57

definitely think he would have taken them out for sure. But

5:59

like, Like, I mean, it's classic

6:02

Jake to go for this. Like, dude, I feel like

6:04

he's looking at, there are two

6:06

types of people, I feel like, in MMA and in

6:08

boxing, right? There are people that want to fight to

6:10

prove that they're the best and they want to fight

6:13

the best, right? And then

6:15

there's people that just want to blow up, I feel

6:18

like, and just kind of like steal the spotlight. And

6:20

I think that Jake is doing an incredible job of

6:23

the second, right, of the latter. I feel like he's,

6:25

I mean, you know, he's fighting these

6:27

people that have never boxed before, like they're incredible,

6:29

or they were like top of their class, you

6:31

know, in their respective sport, right?

6:34

Or their respected fighting

6:36

style, right? And then he's pulling them

6:38

to the boxing ring and he's trying to, you know, he's just beating the

6:40

shit out of them all. And like, I

6:43

just, I would personally like to, you

6:45

know, like let's, come on, man, there

6:47

are plenty of boxers out there right

6:49

now that you could legitimately challenge that

6:51

have an actual record and

6:53

that are real boxers that aren't retired, that

6:55

aren't 60 years old. And

6:58

I'm, I mean, I just feel like he's doing such a, he's

7:00

doing a good job, but you know, it's blatantly obvious

7:02

what to me is he's just trying to protect that

7:04

record, right? He's trying to just dominate. He wants to

7:06

win. And, you know, until

7:09

he's ready to

7:12

actually beat a legitimate top

7:14

boxer. You know what I mean? Yeah, I

7:16

think he hit it on all males. I

7:18

have the biggest thing, it's part of the

7:21

boxing culture. So it's not just Jake Paul,

7:23

but all boxers, Dinek Canel-Averez, play Mayweather, GGG,

7:27

Usek, High Safari, they all do, you know,

7:29

they want to pad their record and then

7:31

once they feel comfortable, then every once in

7:33

a blue moon, you have these big fights

7:36

like Devin Haney taking on Ryan Garcia, Jevonta

7:38

Davis taking on Ryan Garcia. You know, there's

7:40

a big fight coming up with Jevonta Davis

7:42

versus Frank Martin. And nobody

7:44

really knows who Frank Martin is, but

7:46

you know, he's like undefeated. And

7:49

so is Jevonta Davis, so so many O's got

7:51

to go. And I think with Jake Paul, he's

7:53

basically taken a page out of all the best

7:55

boxers in the world have done,

7:57

which is pad your record with people who

7:59

aren't. Now, let's not take anything away from

8:01

Jake Paul. He knocked

8:04

out Tyron Woodley. He beat guys

8:06

who've actually bought Boxx. And

8:08

those guys, they're retired at

8:10

35, one of

8:13

the last guy, Rhino, he was working at

8:15

Oriel Fields. He left Boxxn to go work

8:17

in the Oriel Field. So I'm pretty sure

8:19

he's not staying sharp on his Boxxn. And

8:23

it's funny because he does bring a lot of

8:25

eyeballs, and Netflix is willing to put that on

8:29

when Netflix can literally go out there and

8:31

find like legitimate, like, Boxxn athletes.

8:34

And I'm like, hey, you guys are, you know, 5 and 0, 5 and

8:36

0, and we're going to

8:38

give you guys the opportunity to make some money

8:40

on Netflix. But that's how it is with

8:42

anything, right? Like, if you have

8:45

a following, you'll get to jump through a

8:47

lot more hoops. You don't have to

8:49

jump through as many hoops as a guy like

8:51

me that I did. You know, I trained since I was fucking

8:53

18 years old. I'm 38,

8:55

so that's 20 years. And

8:58

Netflix has never approached me to do

9:00

a fight. So

9:03

it is what it is, but I think what

9:05

Jake Paul is doing is smart, and he's making

9:07

a lot of money. He's also given

9:09

other athletes an opportunity to make a lot of

9:11

money. So I'm happy to say that. Dude,

9:14

I actually never, I never thought, I mean, I

9:16

didn't realize that there were a lot of other Boxxers that followed

9:18

that path where they fought Boxxers that were out there a little

9:20

bit less than them or on

9:22

their level to pad their stats and then have that

9:24

big fight. So like, I'm going

9:26

to give a lot more grace in

9:28

the future when talking about Jake. Oh,

9:31

yeah. In this aspect. It's part of the culture.

9:33

I had a long conversation with this for Erichor

9:35

Wain, and I was like, you know, because the

9:37

mixed martial arts culture is different. Yeah. Like,

9:40

you fight the best and you fight for pennies.

9:43

That's kind of like my upbringing was. And

9:45

I think in boxing, it's different where

9:47

you fight these no-name guys, and then

9:50

eventually you get your name and your

9:52

brand so big, and then you

9:54

have those big fights with Triple G versus Canelo

9:56

Alvarez. And then you have,

9:59

you know, what was the biggest fight? It

10:01

just happened Tyson 3 versus Usyk and then

10:03

the winner of that supposed to fight Anthony

10:05

Joshua but now there's a rematch clause and

10:07

Tyson 3 versus Usyk and It's

10:11

very where we get to see those fights where

10:13

if you look at all the last guys who

10:15

sick a spot You don't really know who they

10:17

are. I mean he'd be Anthony Joshua two times

10:19

That's a big fight, but it's very rare that

10:21

you see big-name boxers fight each other Dang,

10:23

dude, that's the to me like as

10:26

somebody that comes from bro Like

10:28

I'm like I'm pointing at the guy at the top

10:30

and taking him every single time But

10:32

like I guess but I mean do it

10:34

again the latter makes perfect sense to you

10:36

know Continue this you want to strengthen that

10:39

hype as long as possible I imagine by the

10:41

way You have a much larger chance of being

10:43

injured also if you're going up against the top

10:45

guys, right? Which is gonna take longer to get

10:47

into your next fight and you know, yeah You

10:50

also lose that that that missive

10:52

or around you I mean,

10:54

it's the same do it, you know for me whether

10:57

50, you know He would fight like he fought Canelo

10:59

Alvarez when he was super young in his career and

11:01

the Canelo Alvarez is undefeated So it was the chance

11:03

by Floyd, but he you know, Floyd was very good

11:05

at this like you'd watch people He was oh, I

11:07

know I know I can beat him now I know

11:10

I can beat him and he'll pick up and beat

11:12

him standing with Pacquiao Pacquiao

11:14

was the same way at one point where

11:16

he was just packed. It was the opposite

11:18

He was fight anybody anytime anywhere any weight.

11:20

Yeah, and he had a couple losses before

11:23

we would pick and choose he was okay

11:25

Okay Lately

11:56

have been you know, they I think they're both doing a

11:58

great job just It's kind of just

12:01

growing up, man, a little bit. So, but

12:03

dude, interesting, man. Do you think that the

12:05

fight will continue? I think they're saying it's

12:07

potentially postponed or? I think it's gonna be postponed,

12:09

but here's the thing. The one thing

12:11

that's going against Mike Tyson is his, the

12:14

clock, the clock is right. It's Mike Tyson, like his

12:16

reaction is not gonna be as fast. You

12:19

know, how long are they postponed? Six months, a year.

12:22

Is his health gonna get better? Is it gonna decline? Typically

12:25

when you're health, you

12:27

know, as an athlete, when you train

12:29

that hard, your immune system gets low,

12:31

your body starts to break down, and

12:33

you need to give your body more time to rest.

12:36

But once you get back to 100% and

12:38

you go back in that rigorous training, those

12:40

same injuries or those same things that came

12:42

up before are gonna arise either

12:45

sooner or later. So it's kind

12:47

of interesting. We don't know the full extent of

12:49

Mike Tyson's injury, what pulled him from the fight.

12:51

So I think time is on

12:54

our side, but it's not on Mike Tyson's side. Pour

12:58

one out, man. Obviously I would have loved to have seen

13:00

that fight. And I think everyone knows

13:02

that, so. Hell yeah. Hopefully

13:04

it comes back, man. All right, dude, let's move a little

13:06

bit more on, more about you, man. So

13:09

what initially drew you into the world of

13:11

mixed martial arts? Honestly, after

13:13

I got done in high

13:15

school, I was always the athlete in

13:18

middle school, high school, played sports,

13:20

football, basketball, you name it, I did

13:22

it. And then once I got out of high school, there

13:25

was no sports. So I kind of just

13:27

went into the gym and kept on lifting

13:29

weights. And I was

13:31

home one weekend during college. And

13:34

this is when the ultimate fighter came on TV

13:36

and I saw Sugar, Sugar Shot Evans, and he

13:38

was doing a competition where you basically have to

13:40

win a competition that you get to pick and

13:42

choose who you fight when you fight, et cetera.

13:45

I saw that and I was like, man, that looks dope. These

13:47

guys can fight. I think I can

13:49

do that. So I went to the gym and

13:51

I just started hitting the bag on my own.

13:53

And a gentleman that I ran into in high

13:55

school, wrestling, he goes, hey man, you wanna

13:57

know how to fight? I was like, sure.

14:00

Why not? And then I started taking classes Monday

14:03

through Monday and Thursdays it will be It

14:06

basically to buy in a pink duration and

14:08

pink duration is a Greek Greek

14:11

mythology not Greek mythology. It's

14:13

Greek and It

14:16

basically encompasses all the art forms Muay

14:19

Thai kickboxing wrestling jujitsu Muay

14:22

Thai everything and I learned that and I

14:25

would take classes Monday through Thursday Then the rest was

14:27

history man Like I just I've always been

14:29

a big advocate of working out and then when he came to

14:31

like don't know how to defend myself It

14:33

kind of led me down that path of mixed martial arts So

14:36

when was your first? Okay,

14:39

okay. So on top. This is a wanbo combo. So

14:41

when did you get into like Fighting

14:44

I guess and like when was your first fight like

14:46

how old are you and you had your first like

14:49

legitimate fight on your record? Yeah, so I jumped in

14:51

right at at 18 years old right out of high

14:53

school You know why people

14:55

say well that doesn't count because you wrestled and

14:57

wrestling is a form of art of fighting essentially

15:00

So I would have to go back

15:02

to eighth grade But I jumped into like

15:04

actual punch people in the face when I was 18

15:08

And then after training for

15:11

six months and in MMA That's

15:13

why I took my first amateur fight and

15:15

I won that the first round

15:17

by TKL And then I just

15:20

I just fell in love with it and I just kept

15:22

on doing it I was working full-time to gaming

15:24

full-time not gaming full-time I was gaming as well

15:27

and that's when it was just like kept on

15:29

fighting. I'll go to work my coach Okay, you

15:32

won't fight again in two months, but sure Let's

15:34

do it then I'll train and then

15:36

the Bible come up I'll work go leave

15:39

work Friday go cut weight Weighing

15:42

and after weighing in go home rehydrate

15:44

drive to the venue on Saturday fight

15:46

Saturday night Go home Sunday rest

15:48

back to work on Monday. So it was

15:50

truly grind and it was literally Yeah,

15:53

I love that be good at it because it

15:55

just it was something that you know, it made

15:57

you kind of grow up But

15:59

it was basically a passion because it was

16:01

I wasn't making any money it was extracurricular

16:03

activities right that you would do instead of

16:05

the rat race of nine to five every

16:07

single day right and that's what I loved

16:10

about it it broke that mold of oh

16:12

I'm gonna go to work I clock out

16:14

I go home I drink a beer and

16:16

I watch you know football right yeah

16:18

well that doesn't sound bad that last part dude

16:22

you mentioned weight cutting bro talk

16:24

to me about the Pammy like

16:26

I've heard stories and I've seen

16:29

like videos but they talked

16:31

to you about like cutting weight bro like

16:33

how scaled one to miserable like

16:35

what is it like I mean it can

16:38

go from one being absolutely amazing or it

16:40

go for you know 10 being absolutely fucking

16:42

miserable just depends on how you you prepped

16:44

yourself you know I could tell you the

16:46

people who don't prep themselves and

16:49

what they do wrong is they don't die it

16:51

down to they don't

16:53

die down to a healthy way to cut

16:55

the actual weight or they don't waterload so

16:58

to give you kind of example what I would

17:00

do is when I was fighting in the UFC

17:02

I would walk around 142 pounds and I would

17:04

have to weigh 125 pounds on Friday and

17:06

then compete Saturday

17:10

so two weeks prior to the event I

17:12

will always drink two gallons of water a

17:14

gallon of water weighs eight pounds we drink

17:16

two of those at 16 pounds of water

17:18

weight that you haven't and then

17:20

I would drink that all the way up until

17:24

the fight of the week of the fight and then I'll

17:27

cut off my water consumption Thursday

17:30

night Thursday round yeah Thursday around

17:33

three o'clock so

17:35

what you're doing there when you're drinking

17:37

the water for two weeks straight that

17:39

much water you're basically over over

17:41

loading your body with all that water and your

17:43

body gets used to just pissing that water out

17:45

every day it's like oh he's gonna he's gonna

17:47

drink two gallons of water we're gonna keep on

17:49

pissing pissing pissing and then on Thursday you stop

17:52

and you start working out grant you're working out the

17:54

whole entire time your body's like well he's gonna drink

17:56

two gallons of water so we just keep on pissing

17:58

to keep on pissing while you you're doing that two

18:00

gallons of water throughout

18:03

the week, you're also dieting. So I'll

18:05

have my carbohydrates in the morning, oatmeal

18:08

in the morning, and then I'll have carbs in

18:10

the afternoon. And when it comes to nighttime, you

18:12

don't need carbs when you go to bed. I

18:15

would just have a form of protein to keep

18:17

the muscles good, and I'll have a form of

18:19

greens just to make sure

18:21

my system is getting some more vitamins

18:23

in me and I can still pass

18:25

the stool. Then eventually when

18:27

it comes the morning of, I'll

18:30

wake up probably 1.28, 1.30, 1.28, if I'm lucky,

18:35

then I jump in the tub and I basically

18:37

boil myself. And basically when you

18:39

sit in a hot tub, your body wants to

18:41

cool itself down. So what it essentially does, it

18:44

basically sweats all the extra water out. When

18:46

you do it like that, weight cutting isn't

18:48

that bad. But when you

18:50

skip one of those steps, like let's say

18:52

I didn't drink two gallons of water two

18:55

weeks straight, your body's gonna be

18:57

hurt because it's like I have no water, we're gonna pull

19:00

the water from. Or if I don't diet down

19:02

to 1.30 or 1.28, your

19:05

body's like you haven't lost all the extra

19:07

fat. Because the first thing your

19:09

body's gonna do when you go into starvation mode,

19:11

it's gonna go after your muscle. And then it's

19:13

gonna go after your fat. What's quicker

19:15

to burn is muscle than it goes to

19:17

the fat. So that's why my people are like, oh,

19:19

I stopped eating. I'm losing weight. It's

19:21

like you're losing muscle because your body doesn't need

19:23

muscle. Your body is very efficient of getting rid

19:26

of things that it doesn't need. I

19:29

learned that when I went to Arizona, I

19:31

went cave diving. And they said, if

19:33

you ever get lost in here, just close your eyes

19:35

and try to find your way out. And I said,

19:37

excuse me, that sounds fucking dumb as fuck. Yeah,

19:40

but he said, he says, well, you don't understand. He said,

19:42

if you walk around with your eyes

19:44

open, in two days

19:46

you'll go blind. And I was like,

19:48

well, how does that happen? He goes,

19:50

well, your body realizes that your

19:53

eyes are open and you're looking and

19:55

your eyes aren't working. You

19:57

can't see anything. And so when your

19:59

eyes are using... It's energy consumption. It's

20:01

draining energy. So your mind, your

20:04

brain and your body will just shut off your vision

20:06

because it's not working. We don't need it.

20:08

We need to conserve every single ounce of energy we have.

20:11

And so when I heard that, I was like, it

20:13

makes sense with the body is that, hey, this person

20:15

doesn't work out. So why do we have muscle? We

20:18

don't need it. Get rid of it. It's

20:20

very interesting. Like when you look at the science of

20:22

the body where it's like, you know, if you work

20:24

out and they always say you want to have, you

20:26

know, as much protein

20:28

as your body. Your body weight. So every day

20:31

I try to have 150 grams of protein. That's

20:33

what that way because your muscles need it

20:35

if you're an app and then you work

20:38

out. Right. So but yeah, it's two ways.

20:40

Weight cutting can be absolutely amazing or it could be

20:42

absolutely miserable. So it just depends on if people take

20:45

the right steps to make the weight cutting easy or

20:47

hard. Right. So it's just about dedication and not just

20:49

about training for the fight, but also obviously like I

20:51

would say that part of any fight is like it's

20:53

so important to be in that right weight class. So

20:55

you just also have to take your weight class super

20:57

serious, right? You can't be overeating. You can't be over

21:00

training potentially to to where you're not going to be

21:02

able to cut back in time.

21:04

Exactly. And that's so that's so

21:06

like it's so chemical, bro. That's

21:09

so calculated. You

21:11

all when you get six figures, when you get six

21:13

figures to fight, you got to be so it's just,

21:16

you know, like I said, I learned I

21:19

find it very fascinating how the body works. And

21:22

once I started learning about it, I kept on going

21:24

further and further and further because I want to help

21:26

other athletes in the gym and my coaches,

21:29

you know, my professor, he competes too. And

21:31

he's never cut weight like I've had. He's fought at

21:33

the same weight class since he's been 18. He's 35

21:36

now, 36. So

21:38

he's unfamiliar with cutting weight like he can

21:40

do it. But when it comes to cutting

21:42

weight, can you do it in still perform

21:44

at a very high level? Right.

21:47

Yeah, I imagine you cut it. There's ways to

21:49

cut it and you just completely crumble, right? Your

21:51

body just like loses everything muscle fat. You've just

21:53

and then, you know, you're weak. You have no

21:56

energy going into the fight. Speak.

21:59

I kind of want to stay out. Do you

22:01

think that there's any fights recently that you know

22:03

of and like this is I'm not

22:05

this isn't a loaded question Cuz I don't know shit you

22:07

know like do you think that there's somebody that that recently

22:09

just just Looked like

22:11

they weren't in top shape because of the

22:14

way they cut or like, you know, like

22:16

they just Fell off

22:18

essentially at the end of the fight. Well, I

22:20

don't want to say this is more an alliance

22:22

of weight cutting But I

22:24

don't want to say it's it's more Gator

22:27

to the bad weight cut but sometimes you have

22:29

a great weight cut right and But

22:32

when you're training for a fight your immune system

22:34

is down because you're stressing your system the whole

22:36

entire time right like imagine when you

22:38

were training for you know, your halo tournament

22:40

and You're putting all

22:42

those hours in you're not giving the body the

22:45

right nutrition You're not giving the body the right

22:47

sleep and all that stuff. Eventually, you're gonna get

22:49

sick You're gonna your reaction time is gonna be

22:51

fast So what typically happens to

22:53

us is we get staff from MRSA and

22:56

one of my buddies who rock hold he just fighting

22:58

and cried to combat and do in Dubai

23:03

and he and didn't staff and it just sucked

23:05

all the energy out of them He was like

23:07

I had staff I couldn't I couldn't get by

23:09

but I was able to finish the fight and

23:12

win the fight But that's one thing that can

23:14

also affect somebody and he still won the fight.

23:16

That's he's yeah He still won the

23:18

fight, but that's also something that can like hinder

23:20

your body It's always the weight cut it can

23:22

be sickness like even is on Maca

23:24

Jeff He had staff fighting Dustin Poi on his

23:26

leg and he took a week off but it's

23:29

like when you start training at that high high

23:31

level and putting stress on your body with the weight cut

23:33

and the eating and the training

23:35

and the traveling your body just comes

23:37

more susceptible to getting sick or Just

23:40

injured and you know talking back to the

23:42

very beginning of the conversation of the podcast

23:44

you look at Mike Tyson the training the

23:47

age It's got to him it gets to

23:49

him So it's all like you said, it's

23:51

all chemical science That

23:53

you want to keep your body at the best

23:55

shape or possible while giving it its adequate rest

23:58

and nutrition The

24:30

collide of football pads. The

24:33

squeak of shoes on a basketball court. The

24:36

crack of the bat on a home run. The

24:39

slice of skates cutting across the ice. But

24:42

what about this one? That's the

24:44

sound of all the sports you

24:46

love. All at once. Starting at

24:49

$40 a month. Experience

24:51

it all live with Sling. Experience

25:01

it all live with Sling. And

26:00

then when you start competing in physical

26:02

sports, like wrestling, you grab them and you

26:04

slam them and you're trying to manhail on

26:06

them. Then when you become 18, 19, you

26:08

start doing boxing sparring. And how do you

26:10

get used to it? You just got

26:12

to accept the fact that you're going to get punched in the face.

26:16

I always tell people, I hate when I go swimming.

26:18

People are like, stop splashing. I'm like,

26:20

you're in a pool. You're going to get splashed. You're going to get

26:22

water in your eyes. So the more

26:25

you accept it, then the easier it becomes.

26:28

And then I'd rather get punched in the face than

26:30

punched in the body because face is just flesh, bone,

26:33

or whatever. When you get punched in the stomach or the

26:35

startleplex or your diaphragm,

26:37

it's like your organs and stuff. Your

26:39

organs. A liver shot I've heard is.

26:41

Yeah, liver shot, it just cripples

26:44

you. And I think training

26:47

with the right people helps a lot too because you can

26:49

train with a lot of assholes. They

26:51

start to make you flinch. And when

26:54

you start developing the flinching habit, then

26:56

you're just setting up. You're just creating

26:58

bad habits in your

27:00

career. So it's all based on the training and

27:03

the people you're around. If you're training with a group

27:05

of people you trust and you love and you have

27:07

a good time, getting punched in the face becomes

27:09

a lot easier. But you're always firing with

27:11

assholes and training with assholes. You're

27:14

going to have a horrible time. Yeah, that

27:16

sounds awful. No,

27:18

yeah, pass. I mean, I'm never going to get in the

27:20

ring now. I'm too fragile, bro.

27:24

I'm a delicate gamer. Walk

27:27

us through. This is I've been waiting

27:29

to ask you this. Walk us through

27:31

a fight day routine for you, bro.

27:34

Your fight is, let's say, 6 o'clock at night

27:36

or 8 o'clock, whatever. Fight

27:40

day, bro. What do you do? Yeah, I think

27:42

your viewers are going to love this and laugh.

27:44

So typically for me, I've always played games because

27:47

I was in second grade. I mean,

27:49

I second grade, even before that. But that's when I can

27:51

remember the first time I really got into gaming. And

27:53

when I'm getting ready for my fights, even when

27:55

I'm telling, we always play video games because there's

27:57

so much downtime in between. everything,

28:00

do interviews and all that stuff. So I'll wake up, I'll

28:03

eat breakfast, I'll have

28:05

my three eggs, chicken sausage, oatmeal,

28:07

fruits and all that stuff. Get

28:10

my weight back on. And

28:12

then I'll wait about hour or two hours, then I'll

28:14

go have a nice little workout, we'll shake through, make

28:17

sure the organs are good and everything, the sweat's coming

28:19

to good. Have that first one. And

28:21

then I'm gonna go back to the room, I take a

28:24

nap, I shower, take a nap, wake up, pack my whole

28:26

room, just because I don't wanna get

28:28

fucked up and then come back to the room. Yes

28:30

dude, yeah, okay. And have a room that's not

28:33

packed. Yeah, your eyes are fucked up, you can't

28:35

even see. Exactly, right? And it's happened to

28:37

me before, I broke my hand and I fight and I

28:39

came back and I was like, great, now I gotta pack

28:41

my whole room up with one hand, this sucks. So

28:44

now it's just a routine, I pack everything up and then I

28:46

just sit there and play video games. I play video games all

28:48

the way to the time they say, all right, Demetrius, time to

28:50

go to the arena. I go to the

28:52

arena, I warm up, I stretch, go

28:54

through like the game plan, the execution, then

28:57

go out there and whoop ass and

28:59

chew bubblegum and then come back to

29:02

the hotel and then I'll get

29:04

ready with the wife and kids, not kids, that's

29:06

before I had kids. Come back to the

29:08

hotel, then head out and go party. That

29:13

sounds fricking lit, dude. That doesn't sound too

29:15

bad, man. Yeah, it's great,

29:17

I love it, man. Like I said, when

29:19

I would travel for fight week, you're

29:22

there for a week and it's basically, I'm just there to

29:24

train and do interviews. So you

29:26

only can do that for so long, so you

29:28

have all this downtime and that's when I'll get

29:30

most of my gaming game. But most of the

29:33

time, when I'm at the fight

29:35

week, it's either training, gaming or doing

29:37

interviews. That's all I'm doing. Yeah,

29:40

when you're in the majority

29:42

of your fights, how many

29:44

would you say, just like

29:47

a rough estimate, how many would you say were the,

29:50

were like you won, how many of those

29:53

wins were because you caught a

29:56

tell on your opponent, right? Whether that be,

29:58

you got him to start flinching and you

30:00

said like, so you could set them up

30:02

or like you personally just found like, you

30:04

know, what his weakest was compared to your

30:06

coaches, right? The

30:08

people in the, in your corner, like giving

30:11

you basically like, this is, this is his weakness

30:13

and then like setting it up for you. Like,

30:16

Oh, that's, that's a hard question because before you

30:18

fight everybody, you watch video on it for eight

30:20

weeks, you kind of get accustomed to what they're

30:22

going to do. And then when

30:25

the fight happens, we're both in the best shape of

30:27

our lives. And so they're not going to

30:29

try, they're the, the, the era, the

30:32

window of their era for them to make

30:34

a mistake is very, very, very small. Like

30:36

the windows open and closing. And

30:39

I think it comes down more from when

30:41

you're my style of fighting is

30:43

that I bring the fight to my

30:45

opponent, meaning that like I take risks

30:47

and I force them to make a

30:49

mistake and expose themselves.

30:52

And then that's when I use it end up

30:55

catching them. But like, I can't, I can't, I

30:57

can honestly say, I cannot remember a time where

30:59

I like, Oh, that's it. That's

31:01

the opening. I caught them. It's just a

31:03

combination of like the, the risks of me

31:05

training how to beat somebody

31:08

and then my body reacting to their

31:10

fault, their, their flaws in

31:12

their game. Like yeah. Yeah. Right. Like if

31:14

you, you know, if you ever play street

31:16

fighter six, you can find the opening of

31:18

somebody, you see their tendency, you see they're

31:20

happy about, okay, but you go only find

31:22

that if you actually engage in the footsie

31:24

battle, if you don't engage in the footsie

31:27

battle, then you then you'll never find their,

31:29

their weakness or your opening. Right.

31:31

You gotta, you gotta like just feel

31:33

them out, right? And figure out like what they're going to

31:35

be reacting to more so than other. That's

31:37

so see that's so to me, dude,

31:39

that's crazy because I can see like

31:43

that's how I just know you. Like it's, we're just, it's

31:45

completely different, bro. It's completely different than what I think it

31:47

is, right? I'm sitting here and I'm

31:49

watching these fights and I'll be like, you know,

31:52

I'll be like, dude, how are they not? Like, how are

31:54

you not like, like seeing the weakness live? Like how are

31:56

you not like setting them up for this? Like in the

31:58

middle of the fight? And I think, I think in the

32:00

movies. and shit too, I feel like they set that up

32:02

always, right? It's great for movies where they're like, you know,

32:05

in their head, they're like calculating it and setting up like

32:08

how they're gonna knock them out and stuff like that. But

32:10

it's never like that, right? It's like you're literally, it's just,

32:12

it's like right in front of you within seconds, you have to

32:14

just react and that's crazy. That

32:16

makes me just, I mean, I already had a

32:18

massive amounts of respect for UFC fighters and MMA

32:20

fighters. And now it's just a whole nother level,

32:23

man. And don't get me wrong, there are some

32:25

people out there who have the gift of eyes

32:27

and that's where you can see things when you're

32:29

fighting, you know, it's like, oh, I threw a

32:31

jab and he swiped my jab. Oh, I throw

32:33

a jab again, he swiped it. Okay, now

32:35

I'm gonna throw a jab left hook and see

32:37

if he's gonna do it and he does. There

32:39

are some times that that happens, but it's typically

32:41

in a world championship fight, like six years of

32:43

my career in the UFC was

32:47

all championship fights, right? Where you're

32:49

fighting the best of the best. So when

32:51

you're fighting guys at that level, they

32:54

don't make a lot of errors, right? They make the errors when

32:56

you're in the middle of the fight. But

32:58

when you have the guys through a lower

33:00

level that are fighting against other guys who

33:02

may be mid tier or high tier, S

33:05

tier, as you can say, that's

33:07

when you start to see guys like Michael Vinton Page

33:10

is one person who has the gift of eyes where

33:12

he'll see things and he'll capitalize on it in the

33:14

fight and he'll be able to jump on it. He

33:16

goes, oh, I saw him do this, I did it.

33:18

And it was the middle of the fight. But a

33:20

lot of people don't have that gift of eyes. And

33:22

then I've never had the gift of eyes that have the

33:25

gift of like just, we're gonna fight.

33:27

And when in the middle of this chaos, you're gonna make a

33:29

mistake. And when you make that mistake, I'm gonna be able to

33:31

capitalize on it and you won't see it coming. Right.

33:34

Oh, that's fucking sick, dude. Oh,

33:37

that's sick, man. Dude, what

33:39

advice would you give to aspiring MMA

33:41

fighters looking to make it in the

33:43

industry, dude? Little 18 year old Demetrius

33:46

is coming. You're trying to talk

33:48

to him, what would you say? Don't do it. Like, really?

33:53

Well, yeah, it's hard because I mean, we

33:56

can both elaborate on this. Like if you told

33:58

somebody to jump in and just streaming. streaming

34:00

on Twitter. True. Yeah,

34:02

I'd be like, it's tough. It's very tough,

34:04

right? And the mixed martial arts, it's, you

34:07

know, you gotta win the fight. You gotta be able

34:10

to, you know, make money

34:12

to be able to pay your bills and your

34:14

assurance and all that stuff. And you're working 40

34:16

hours a week and you're not

34:18

making money. You know, my first paycheck in

34:20

fighting was when I went pro, it was like

34:22

250 to show, no

34:25

excuse me, 500 bucks to show, 500

34:27

bucks to win, I won $1,000. And

34:29

then my second fight, it was like 750 to

34:32

show, 750 to win, 750 bucks. When

34:35

I won that money, I was in Alaska and I called my wife,

34:37

I was like, I've got $1,500. We're

34:40

gonna best buy a fucking laptop. Like,

34:42

it's like, you know, it's pennies.

34:44

It's literally pennies, so. Is

34:46

it still pennies now? I mean, because you've been fighting for

34:49

a long time. So like. No, no, I mean, now. I

34:52

wake up and do whatever the fuck I want. I mean, when

34:54

you, but I know you're good now. I mean, I'm talking about

34:56

like, if

34:58

you were in the situation you were in right now and you were

35:01

right now when you started fighting, do you think that they're being

35:03

paid like a little bit better? Oh, yeah, 1,000%. I

35:07

think it's like, you know, the average salary for, not

35:10

excuse me, I shouldn't say salary, but the average is like 12,000

35:12

to show 12,000 to win, right? But

35:15

you know, you made 24,000. Much better,

35:17

yeah. Yeah, much better. So don't get me wrong.

35:19

This was the, so when you. Dude, it was

35:21

the beginning of streaming too. I was making pennies,

35:23

right? I get it. So the

35:25

average streamer, if they're like, that's pulling the viewers,

35:27

they're making way more than when I was like,

35:30

you know, 13 years ago. So. Exactly,

35:33

but at the same time, it's like, that was like my, your

35:36

first local

35:38

pro debut is like 500 to 1000

35:40

bucks, 2000

35:43

bucks, if you're lucky. Dude, you know

35:45

what's so funny, bro? Like that's dude, dude, dude, that's

35:48

literally like, that's like what locals were, bro.

35:50

Like before MLG, before you competed like an MLG tournament where

35:52

like the first place prize, you know, like 246 teams was

35:54

$20,000 split four ways, by the way. Like,

36:00

you know what I mean? Your local tournaments, I

36:02

remember, like my local tournaments, like first place was

36:04

like 750 bucks, $1,000. Split

36:07

four ways, by the way, which barely even covered gas

36:09

in the hotel. And then you have taxes on that

36:11

too and all that stuff. And so it's the same thing

36:13

in the main. Then when you make it to the

36:15

big leagues, like just like in your world and you win

36:18

and you're the world champion, you're getting a check for

36:20

350,000 plus 40,000 in

36:22

sponsorship and then, you know, so the money

36:24

starts to add up. But to, you know,

36:27

tell aspiring people that, it's a long road.

36:30

If you don't make it to that point where you're

36:32

making, you know, if you're making 80K

36:34

a year and that means you gotta

36:36

win all your fights, and

36:38

then let's say if you're married, you have a mortgage, you

36:40

have health insurance, all that stuff, that stuff eats away at

36:43

that. You gotta pay taxes, you gotta pay your manager fee.

36:45

It's a very, very hard life to make a living.

36:47

But a lot of people like to live out their

36:49

dreams and, you know, live check to check. For

36:52

me, you know, that's why I worked 40 hours

36:54

a week to sustain my income. So when I

36:56

would win these fights against, you

36:58

know, Kit Yamamoto and Miguel Torres and

37:00

my fights against Dominic Cruz, all

37:03

that money just went into a bank account. I

37:05

just stacked my money until one point, it was

37:07

like, hey, I'm making 20, 20 when I fight.

37:11

And then I win that fight, that's 40K. Then I fight

37:13

again, it's like 24, 24, win

37:15

that fight, that's another big check. And

37:17

then you're living inside your means, and

37:19

the next thing you know, you become

37:22

champion. So any advice I would get

37:24

them, you know, don't do

37:26

it, do it. Train

37:28

mixed martial arts for a passion. Don't do it,

37:30

become a world champion. Don't do it to be

37:33

making your lifestyle, but don't

37:35

do it to just try to make it

37:37

at the highest level of competition. If

37:39

you enjoy your passion and you're good at

37:42

fighting, your body will seek out competition and

37:44

through that competition, if you beat it,

37:46

then your path will lead you to that.

37:48

And that's where my path was. Like when

37:51

I jumped in mixed martial arts, there was no 135 or 125.

37:55

The lightest weight class was 155, and

37:58

then that didn't have a lot of eyeballs and attractions. So

38:00

they got rid of 155 in ages for 170 25

38:02

to 5 to 10 to 65, right? So

38:09

but now it's it's

38:12

worldwide. You have a

38:14

promotion like one championship PFL UFC

38:17

LFA CFFC. I mean, now it's

38:19

booming. Yeah, bro. Are

38:22

you are you planning on fighting anytime soon, man?

38:24

Or is it's right

38:26

hung up? No, right now I'm just focused on

38:29

you. Like you did choose a thing that I've

38:31

been really falling in love with. You

38:33

know, I've been fighting since I was 18 years old.

38:36

I thought I'd become a champion. The UFC

38:38

held that for six years, just became a

38:40

champion and one championship defending that belt in

38:42

Denver last year. So right now, you

38:44

know, I got three kids married. I'm working on my building

38:47

my brand. And I'm just

38:49

focused on that because you build a brand. The

38:51

brand outlasts outlast me. It can

38:53

outlast your physical, right? Your physical fucking

38:55

body and especially in your like, I

38:57

feel like I feel like there is

38:59

a way for a gamer or a

39:01

streamer to continue

39:04

that, like that level,

39:06

if you will, of like my body. And like my

39:09

body's not going to break down, at least I don't.

39:11

At least I don't think if I

39:13

if I was still putting in a 12

39:15

hour days like competing, I feel like I'd

39:17

still be hanging around. But

39:20

like, you know, I'm just not. So it's

39:22

just I think I think it's almost super

39:24

imperative for for. I mean, I would say

39:26

for all athletes, including, of course, esports athletes

39:28

as well, but like, especially for people where

39:30

like you're basically giving your body away to

39:32

compete in the sport that you love. It's

39:35

very important to make sure that you're like,

39:37

yeah, you're focusing on your brand and you're

39:39

setting yourself up, your business

39:41

up for success after the fact. One thousand percent.

39:43

That's the biggest thing that I learned from the

39:46

group. They did a Dr. Murni run, I

39:48

think was in W.A. And it was

39:50

Dr. Dre, Ice Cube and all those guys. And they're like, you

39:52

know, we made the music and we

39:55

loved it. But once we made the money that once we

39:57

made a lot more money, we went

39:59

off and did our own thing. Dr. Dre kept on producing

40:01

beats. And then he did

40:03

Apple beats and all that stuff. And then

40:05

that just took off for him. Ice Cube,

40:07

he kept on making music, but

40:10

he really wanted to be an actor and make all those

40:12

movies. Now he has his

40:15

basketball league and all that

40:17

stuff. So I took a lot of

40:19

inspiration from those guys. For me, where it's like, he

40:21

made all this money. I was very successful in mixed

40:23

martial arts. And now I'm an important

40:25

in my career where I can pick and choose when I

40:27

wanna fight, not who I wanna fight, but when I wanna

40:29

fight. And now I can

40:32

focus on building my brand, the gaming,

40:34

streaming, the podcasts, all that stuff. And

40:37

now I'm just enjoying life. Especially when you

40:39

get older, you have children, you're married, you

40:41

know, last thing you wanna do is put like,

40:43

you know, be with the house and the kids

40:45

all the damn time. And

40:48

some people understand it, some people don't understand it.

40:51

Dude, I'm right there with you, man. Like,

40:53

you're really like kind of striking a cordier

40:55

with me. Like I had to, you know,

40:58

four years ago during COVID, I was

41:00

like competing in Valorant full-time, which

41:03

required me to, obviously I needed to stream because

41:06

that's how I was making money. I wasn't like,

41:08

there weren't really Valorant tournaments yet. So I was

41:10

basically streaming like 12 hours a day, right? I'd

41:12

wake up at like six or 7 a.m. stream

41:15

until like six or seven o'clock at night, no

41:17

breaks. And then I would end my stream and

41:19

then I would compete off stream,

41:21

right? Cause you can't give away your strats in a

41:23

game like this. So I'd play

41:25

five-by-five with my teammates and

41:28

we'd scream for another four or five hours. Now it's 11 o'clock. Like

41:30

there'd be days where I wouldn't even see Jess, right? Like I

41:32

wouldn't even see my wife. And it's like, you know, that just

41:34

had to stop, right? It came to a point where I'm like,

41:36

I've been doing this forever. Yeah,

41:39

it's just not worth it. Like either way,

41:41

when I started streaming on, when I first

41:44

started streaming on Twitch and

41:46

I was a full-time fighter, what

41:48

I would do is I would wake up, go

41:51

to the gym, do my first straight-to-decadation workout from 10,

41:55

I know it's from 11 to like 12.30, go

41:57

get lunch from, 1.30

42:00

to four o'clock, I

42:03

would stream on Twitch on

42:06

a laptop at the gym. Then after that, I would

42:08

go from 4.30, no

42:10

excuse me, 4.30 to 6.30, train, muy

42:14

Thai, kickboxing, whatever, drive home, I

42:17

live an hour away from the gym. Once

42:19

I got home, I would kiss my wife,

42:21

have dinner with her, go downstairs and grind

42:23

on Twitch. And I maybe got to maybe

42:25

like 2300 subs. And

42:27

I was like, and after I got done, I got to

42:29

check at the end of the month. I was like, why

42:31

the fuck? I hate gaming now. Like it's like, I'm trying

42:34

so hard, I gotta play this game, da da da da.

42:36

And so for me, it was like, it's not worth it.

42:38

So I can only imagine for you when you're a pro

42:41

and it's like, you had to do eight. And that's the thing

42:43

with gaming, you can do eight to 12 hours a day gaming.

42:46

You can't do eight to 12 hours a day of fucking fighting. Your

42:48

body will fall apart. Right, right, right, right,

42:51

right, right. I mean, mentally, hey, mentally I'm

42:53

falling apart. I'll tell you that right now.

42:55

Exactly, right? And so there's some grace with

42:57

MMA and working out and training. Like

42:59

I trained, I did fucking, I don't know how many,

43:01

I trained for an hour and a half, two hours

43:03

this morning of hard rounds with Jiu-Jitsu, getting my body

43:05

ready for Worlds, which is a competition

43:08

in August. My coach is going

43:10

to Canada and he needs somebody to cover class. And

43:12

my kids do Jiu-Jitsu. So I'm covering my

43:14

son's class tonight. And I'm like, fuck, I

43:17

gotta teach again tonight. You

43:20

know, like, see? You said good luck.

43:23

Good luck, man, have fun. Yeah, so,

43:26

but hey, you know what? If it wasn't

43:28

for the determination discipline and me

43:30

being successful in, you know, mixed martial

43:32

arts, then I wouldn't be able to

43:35

have a beautiful home. My

43:38

kids wouldn't have clothes on their

43:40

bodies and food every night. So I'm grateful

43:42

for the discipline and sacrifice that I made.

43:44

But now it's like, I like to just

43:46

do live my life and just do whatever

43:48

the hell I want, what I want, however

43:50

I want. Yeah, man, reaping the benefits, man.

43:53

I'm definitely, I'm kind of giving that right now. It feels great.

43:56

I've been golfing a lot lately and just chilling. I

44:00

had to get back into shape, right? I had

44:02

a foot surgery like a couple months ago and

44:04

I've still been just, and now I just recently

44:06

hurt my back from freaking golfing because I like

44:08

golf for like basically 11 hours straight. It

44:12

was nuts, yeah, anyways. It

44:14

just feels good to have like time, bro,

44:16

right? Like to have time is an amazing

44:18

thing. Absolutely. You

44:20

worked your ass off for it, right? I mean, all

44:22

those years streaming, gaming, all that stuff. And it was

44:25

like 12 hour days minimum. Yeah, your friends are like,

44:27

you let us down, Ninja. What's wrong? He was like,

44:29

guys, I'm like, how old are you now, Ninja? Like

44:31

28, 30? Brother, I'm

44:33

old, man. I turned 33 tomorrow. Oh,

44:36

so yeah, you're 33. It's like, guys, I'm not gonna

44:38

stay at home, play fucking Fortnite all goddamn day. Leave me

44:40

alone. I could barely

44:42

get past four hours of Fortnite right now, man,

44:44

it's tough. Wow. Well, the new season is just,

44:47

it's just not good. And I complain about it so much,

44:49

so I'm not gonna dwell on it here.

44:52

Um, you know? Ugh.

44:56

Dude, so what, I mean, you're talking about gaming a lot,

44:58

man, obviously, are you still playing? Like what games are, what's

45:00

your, what's your go-to right now? Yeah, I just put, I

45:03

put like 40 minutes in the Street Fighter 6. It's Street

45:05

Fighter 6 right now. Right now, the

45:07

gaming industry is dead. It's dead. There's

45:10

no good games out right now. Street Fighter 6 is the best

45:12

game of the year, so far, in my opinion. I'm

45:15

waiting for Elden Ring, the Shadow of

45:17

the Elden Treaty to come out. Ooh, that's,

45:19

I think that's in like two weeks, right? Yeah, two

45:21

weeks, yeah, end of June. But yeah, man, like, there's

45:24

nothing out right now. But my go-to Street Fighter

45:26

6, I need, I need that.

45:28

You know, before that, it was Escape from

45:30

Tarkov, but, you know, it always tacks me

45:32

up. It's like, dude, how the fuck is

45:35

it still taking me five to eight minutes to get in

45:37

the fucking raid? It's like, it's just, I'm

45:39

gonna be like, 2024 and it's still taking eight minutes to get

45:41

in the raid. I'm like, you guys gotta fix that. So,

45:44

right? You've been accused long time, bro. Yeah,

45:47

I know. That's, that's why I'm like, I'm

45:49

over it. So right now, it's just Street Fighter 6. Like I can

45:51

go down there, put 20 minutes in, get

45:53

a good feel, get a good, you know,

45:55

release, a door from release, and then be able to go about

45:57

my day. Dude, I think

45:59

it's just. like these game companies, man,

46:01

they're, they're just like, I feel

46:03

like everyone's releasing games

46:05

too soon. Right? Like, I mean, it's the

46:07

way to go. Like everyone's like, Hey, here's

46:10

our alpha or here's our beta. Yep. Or

46:12

an early release and it's not the full

46:14

game and then everyone kind of like, and

46:16

it has like one eighth or one 10th

46:18

of the content that it will have when

46:20

it comes out. Yeah. And, and then like

46:22

everyone burns through it and like a day

46:25

or two. Yep. And then now

46:27

it's like, okay, now we go back to our bread and butter,

46:29

right? We go back to our four nights or call of

46:31

duty, like war zone. Well, the

46:33

thing that's funny and like you, I mean, you, that's

46:35

a great point you bring up. I was like, now it's

46:37

at when they release the game,

46:39

you know, you think about back in the day, you get a plate, you

46:42

get a demo, right? That's how, that's how

46:44

you test the games. You get fucking demo either

46:46

on your game or former magazine, or they will

46:48

upload it up to like PlayStation, you know, places

46:50

or you get the demo, you try it out

46:53

and that was it. And granted there wasn't a

46:55

lot of, uh, it was like

46:57

no content. If you're talking about content, it was like, uh,

46:59

you know, if you're playing Tony Hawk, you would like to

47:02

play that. Yeah. You'd run through like

47:04

a map or a ramp and do a couple

47:06

of moves. And then it's like, thanks for playing.

47:08

And now it's like, here's half the kind of

47:10

half the game, but not really. Yeah. Like

47:12

people just burn through it. And then it's like, okay, well

47:14

we're ready for the real release now. And it's like, dude,

47:17

like we've played at the game. Yeah. It was

47:19

like, you know, let's take a good example of

47:22

great war zone. The game just came out. It's

47:24

not even finished. You know, you pay 30 bucks,

47:26

you're playing it. The game's not fucking working. The

47:28

game is like, I played it like an hour

47:30

or two hours ago. This game's fucking horrible. I

47:33

was like, why did I pay 30 bucks? Like

47:35

I think developers now have gotten to a point

47:37

where it's okay to release the game. That's half-assed

47:39

done and asked for 39.99. And

47:42

then when we

47:44

start to play that this game's not finished, well,

47:46

we wanted to, well, it's not finished

47:48

all we need. We need the, we need the funding

47:50

to build the finishing game. So I feel like there's

47:52

a lot of, uh, it's just different.

47:55

Like I feel like gaming now is not what

47:57

it was. Like I feel like back in like

48:00

mid 90s, early 2000, maybe late 2010. That's

48:06

when gaming was at its peak, right? Where it's like

48:08

you had game, you get a game like Devil May

48:11

Cry one, two, or three, and you played the whole

48:13

thing. You're like, oh my God, that shit was absolutely

48:15

amazing. You're not looking for DLC content. You're like, this

48:18

game was absolutely amazing. Or you play Halo

48:20

1, or you play Halo 2. It's like,

48:22

this game is amazing. Now it's like, I

48:24

beat the fucking game. I hope there's a

48:26

DLC because yeah, that was not that good.

48:29

The developers were like, hey, you got the first

48:31

10 hours. We're gonna charge you another $20 for

48:33

the next 60 hours. And

48:36

then sis. Okay. Yeah. I

48:38

mean, Elvin Ring though, right? I used to talk about the

48:40

new update coming out. Like now there's a game where they

48:43

gave you like- Content. Like it's-

48:45

Oh my God, content for days that they never

48:47

miss, by the way. I don't think a single,

48:49

there's never been a Dark Souls or Demonborn or

48:51

whatever. Like that has never just exceeded,

48:54

right? People's expectations with the boss

48:56

battles, creativity and just the open

48:58

world. Banger after banger after

49:01

banger. The only thing I would love

49:03

for Demon Souls or a Bandai Namco,

49:05

that's actually the producer who produces the

49:07

game. But only thing I would love

49:09

for them to have is if they

49:12

made it where it's like, hey man,

49:14

like let's say me, you

49:16

wanna play together. We wanna start a character

49:18

from scratch and progress their story together, right?

49:21

Like, could you imagine if they made Elder Ring

49:24

and gave you the opportunity to like, Gaunt of Legends? I

49:26

don't know if you remember that game from Nintendo 64. Like

49:29

it's- It sounds familiar. It's like

49:31

a game you, oh, I'm a Viking.

49:33

Oh, I'm a Archer

49:35

or that's a Viking. And then you basically

49:38

it's like a over the

49:40

top style. You run through these things. No, dude,

49:42

dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.

49:44

You just unlocked a- Dude,

49:48

this is one of my fucking favorite games.

49:50

This was an arcade game

49:52

too, bro. Yeah. I loved this

49:54

game. I think it was

49:56

by Midway. I could be wrong. I think it was

49:58

Midway or whatnot. 1998,

50:01

bro, it was, oh my God.

50:03

Yeah, so if they made it

50:05

like that, if they just did, I could spread out like,

50:08

because you think about it, like if me and you wanted

50:11

to play Eldering together, it's

50:13

like we had to get to a certain

50:15

spot in the game, and then you have

50:17

to summon you through a stone, you come

50:19

in, and then you can play and help

50:21

me. But you don't progress the story with

50:23

me, you don't, and the game isn't meant

50:25

to be progressed. Right. It's

50:28

just extra content, right? It's extra ways of

50:30

playing with buddies, and I love that, man.

50:32

I think that's an actually a really unique

50:34

way of not doing, it's

50:38

not like they have to sit there and theory

50:40

craft and create hours and hours and

50:42

hours and hours and hours and hours of content,

50:44

right? Like, or days and weeks of content of

50:46

creating, this is something that they can just, this

50:48

is more of like a coding thing, right? It's

50:50

more of like- Exactly, where it's like, hey, if

50:52

you wanna put your friends, hey, like let's do,

50:54

I mean, that's the thing that I miss now

50:56

with gaming, is like COVID-19 kind of

50:58

made me fall back in love with gaming because

51:00

everybody was at home, nobody could do shit. So

51:03

it'll be me and the boys, and we'll play

51:05

Skate from Tyrecroft together, and we all start at

51:07

level one, and we will go do the missions

51:09

all together while finding this thing

51:11

and finding these quests for each other.

51:13

Like, there's not a lot of games like

51:15

that nowadays where you can play together and immerse

51:18

yourself in a world where it's actually

51:20

like, there's penalties, it's hard, and that's

51:22

the one thing I think Eldering is

51:25

missing, that Souls game is missing, where

51:27

it's like, dude, like, hey, I'm gonna

51:29

make my character, you make this

51:31

character, and let's play from scratch to the end. Like,

51:33

you know how much, like, one, it'll

51:35

be fun, and the content that you

51:37

can create with that, like, it's just

51:39

endless opportunity. A lot more duo content.

51:42

Exactly, where it's not like, oh, I'm

51:44

a contact, Tyler, get this

51:46

thing where it's like, no, I'm logged on, you're

51:49

ready to log on. It's like Diablo IV, right?

51:51

Or World of Warcraft. Like, that's like,

51:53

kind of like, that's the thing that they're missing,

51:55

that MMO element to Eldering, but they haven't. I'm

51:57

gonna be smart about MMOs, I've been waiting for,

51:59

For one to bring for I've been waiting for

52:01

MMO to unite the world together Yeah,

52:04

like one that every single one like it has

52:06

like there's no barriers, right? It's not like like

52:08

there's there's people that play Final Fantasy 11 and

52:10

Final Fantasy 14 There's people that play World of

52:13

Warcraft, right, but but they don't play everything There's

52:15

not a lot that play all and I'm waiting

52:17

for that MMO dude that Ever

52:19

like you know what I mean, dude, like like yeah, I'm

52:22

on go I don't remember the Pokemon go surge Oh, it

52:24

felt like we were at world peace everyone was walking around

52:26

playing Pokemon go if they had their phone out while they

52:28

were Walking they were playing that game. I'm waiting for the

52:30

MMO like that to come out. Yeah,

52:32

everyone and their grandmother's playing Yeah, hopefully

52:35

aspects of creation is a good one.

52:37

You have carnal Odyssey. It's coming out

52:39

supposed to be a good one I love Final

52:41

Fantasy 14. I put so many hours in

52:44

that game. It was absolutely amazing But I

52:46

grew through like I think when

52:48

it comes to MMOs or Elden Ring, I

52:50

think that's the thing they're missing is Just

52:53

the MMO right where it's like, I mean

52:55

did that would be do first off just

52:58

That would be astronomical if they could

53:00

pull that off because the

53:02

world Already is there

53:04

like the beauty of the world like running around

53:07

and like like they have the they have the

53:09

what's the worm looking For they have the outline,

53:11

right? Yeah, like just throw in like some more

53:13

missions and and maybe like some

53:15

more like Like I guess content right and

53:17

like things to do because like what are you gonna do an

53:20

Elden Ring, right? You can really you run around you kill shit,

53:22

but that's not what an MMO is, right? Gear

53:24

and farming and like notorious monsters and

53:27

raids and things like that. So and

53:30

to just imagine bro, could you imagine a

53:34

High tier like raid

53:36

boss in Elden Ring where you need

53:38

16 people to kill

53:40

it, right? People

53:44

are already joking one-on-one right people it's taking people

53:46

forever to beat it when it's just one person

53:48

right now imagine They design a boss where hey,

53:51

by the way, yeah, this is designed for 18

53:54

people to kill Well, that's what I mean, I know

53:56

I don't know if you looked in the game Paul

53:58

Colonel Odyssey, but it's kind of like that like it's

54:00

just I have it in front of me right now.

54:02

I Googled it, what you just said. So I'll be

54:04

checking it out after. Yeah, I checked that out. And

54:06

some of the gameplay trailer looks just like that, where

54:08

it's like a massive boss. You have all these different

54:10

people here trying to fight the boss, and you can

54:12

go off on your own. And that's the thing that

54:14

I feel that, when

54:17

you look at Final Fantasy XIV, that

54:19

game was amazing. The graphics were absolutely amazing. But

54:21

it had like a, what's the word, it had

54:24

a HUD where you do your combos or whatever,

54:26

right? I feel like

54:28

with Colonel Odyssey, it's kind of just like

54:30

Final Fantasy XIV with the graphics. But then

54:32

it has like the gameplay of Elden

54:35

Ring, where it's like, hey, I'm a doctor's

54:37

way, doctor's way, oh, I'm a, you know,

54:39

I'm using the blade or I'm using, you

54:41

know, the gut sword or I'm using the

54:43

whip or I'm using, I'm a caster. Like

54:46

I think if they can add that in Elden

54:48

Ring or somebody fucking do it out there, like,

54:51

you know, give one to do. I've

54:54

never been a fan, I've never been a fan

54:56

of like your entire spell bar, like

54:59

taking up half the page, right? You know what I

55:01

mean? The dude, seriously, as a viewer, as a viewer,

55:03

right? When I go into a WoW stream or even

55:05

an FF XIV stream, by the

55:07

way, I'm like, what the fuck am I

55:09

looking at? Always, always. It would

55:11

take me weeks upon weeks

55:15

of not just watching someone play,

55:17

but them like enlarging

55:19

what their spells are and explaining what each and

55:21

every single one of them does. Because

55:24

there's just too many and

55:26

it's just so complicated. So it's like, yeah, I

55:28

don't know. I feel like it's a huge turn

55:30

off visually. I

55:33

think that there's something to it, but I think it's also

55:35

kind of like, if you know, you know, right?

55:38

Like when I'm around my buddies and I'm talking about Jujitsu Kaisen

55:41

and I'm like, boy, I'm gonna hit your ass with that

55:43

Malibu kitchen. They're like, what the hell is that? Or Malibu

55:45

shrine? They're like, nah, I just go to them. I was

55:47

like, if you know, you know, I want you to explain

55:49

myself. So like there comes a point in time when I

55:51

was playing those games, I was playing MMOs and

55:53

then they're like, oh, you know, what class do you have? I

55:55

got my rogue and they knew, they knew,

55:57

they didn't, they didn't know. I had to take time

55:59

to explain. That's also me being an asshole too. Yeah.

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57:33

out of time,

57:35

dude. So

57:38

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57:40

and some other questions, man. Are you

57:42

ready? Let's do it. All

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and a free mobile line for one low

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price. Stay connected and do it all with

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Spectrum One for Business. Only $49.99 a month.

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Go to spectrum.com/business to learn more.

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Restrictions apply. Service is not

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available in all areas.