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My name is Alex, and I consistently
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struggle with overeating. No
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all right, no, al
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right, will be alright
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forever, no,
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al right,
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be alright forever, alright.
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So I feel like we've touched on this a
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little bit before in the in
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the Body Image episode that we already had
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on my podcast, but I wanted to highlight
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this one specifically because we kind
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of used the Body Image episode in this general
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sense of loving yourself in the visual
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sense, and now I wanted
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to have a little bit more of a highlight on something that I
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definitely struggle with, and I know that a lot of people
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in the world struggle with, especially in America
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where obesity rates are just
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rampant and uh. And so I wanted to have
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an episode about binge eating because I think
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it's more than just food, you know, I think
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it's very very cultural. Growing up, my
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ad had of this saying that he would always say,
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and it was it's all about having good
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food, good music, and good company
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and uh. And you know, the last two are
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obviously healthy always,
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but sometimes that good food part can
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get a little bit out of hand. And as you'll learn
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in the rest of this episode, it's not even
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just me and my parents and my sisters
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that have that saying. And it's not even
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just my family that has that saying, but I think
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that there's a big cultural aspect to it. Growing
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up, there was never really like a
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limit for food, you know. It was always especially
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when you come up in an immigrant based
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family, there is no limit.
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You know. My father always wanted us to have everything
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we ever wanted, and my parents were
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such good parents that when we would go to McDonald's
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and I'm in fifth grade and I'm ordering to breakfast
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meals, you know, I'm having my egg McMuffin with my
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hash brown and an orange juice, and then I'm having an egg mcgrittle
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because those things are popping, but they don't really suffice
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as like a full breakfast, so it's kind of like a side order.
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But I get the whole meal so I can have the second hash brown.
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That was just like a thing like. It was never really
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an issue in terms of the amount, And
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even as I was getting up into my teenage
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years and I wanted to start dieting, it
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was never about moderation.
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It was never about the amount
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in which you're eating. It was always the food that you eat is
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bad, like, so I would cut sugar, or I would
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cut candy, or I would cut you know, carbs,
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or I would cut fats or whatever it was that I
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was. You know that whatever the fat diet was
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at the time, it wasn't really until
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kind of last year, the year before, when
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I would talk to my other friends
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who are studying nutrition, who are like, you
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just have to eat less, And I was like,
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what do you mean like I because I was
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eighteen years old and I had no money, and
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I would always dream about, Man, when I get enough
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money, I'm gonna eat whatever I want. I'm gonna have at
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it. You know. Once I started making a little
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bit more money and being able to pay for things, like I would buy
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two meals everywhere I'd
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go because I wanted to. I don't know
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if it was about the eating or if it was about the status
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situation of having two meals. And my friends
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would make fun of me. They'd be like, dog, why do you get
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to things? And uh. And
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I remember having this conversation with Dylan talking
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about how I wanted to lose weight and how I was going to start another
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one of those crazy diets, and and he was
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the one who said to me, dude, you just need to eat less. And
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I was like, yeah, what do you mean to eat less? Like, uh, no,
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I have to eat more. And he's like, no, you don't. Like, look
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at the calories that you're consuming in terms
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of how much food you are actually putting
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into your body, and look at the average.
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And I was looking at mine, and I was hitting four
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thousand, five thousand, sometimes into the six
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and seven thousands for calories each day.
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And I saw the problem. I realized
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that that's not even just an issue with me. It's an
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issue that I think runs rampant
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in the United States with the
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world that is fast food and everything
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quick and you can get more for less.
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I think it's a big thing in my culture in
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which every kind of gathering
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is surrounded around food, whether it's
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in the deep cultural rooted
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aspect or just in my own family's
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aspect of we got to get together, have you
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know, my uncle's cocoa ice and my and my it's
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fried bread, and and we got to have
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you know, a big hongy and and or
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a big feast of food and
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uh. And it got me thinking, what does
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culture have to do with how we eat?
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What is of everybody. It's alex Iono. Here,
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this is my podcast. Let's get into it where
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we talk about damn near everything.
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And I think with the topics that we've
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done and the topics were doing next, we're literally
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hitting the everything. Mark Um, I'm
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so happy to have this episode. I have some amazing
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guests. Were talking about binge eating
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and over eating and it's connection to food
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culture and family culture.
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Uh. And I thought that there would be no better guests
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to have than guests who share the same
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culture as I do. One, I
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have somebody who shares literally almost
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the exact same DNA as I do.
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My cousin Bubba. His real name is Stranton,
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but ever since I've known him, I didn't even know his name
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was Stranton until I was ten years old because we
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called him Bubba from the day I was born.
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Um. He is my father's brother's
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son, so he's my first cousin. UM
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and shares that that sweet beautiful
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iona blood. Baba. How are you, Bro, I'm
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doing great. I'm so happy
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that you hear. Bro. Also with us, we have somebody
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who shares our Maudi culture. He
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is a researcher for multi
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experiences of eating disorders at the University
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of Otongo in New Zealand. He
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goes by Mao, but because I share
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the multi culture, I gotta say his full name. His name is
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Clark. I don't know where. The last
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name really kind of just throws everybody off because you give him
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this beautiful, just just beautiful
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thick Clark.
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So that being said, MoU, how are you,
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bro, I'm
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really really well. Thank you very much, Alex And
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and just on my sur name prior
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to colonization, my surname is actually being
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my parents changed the sur
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name to Clark is did my uncles
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and aunties so that it was Europeanized.
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Thanks Britain, we really appreciate that.
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Um. I also want to give a big, big
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shout out to you your at seven am
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where you are. You are back in christ Church,
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New Zealand, and it's
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seven am, so you are an absolute just
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hero for waking up early being here
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with us. I'm so excited to
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talk through this because
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growing up, like I had mentioned in my story, it was
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always something I thought was just me, and then
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I realized that it's not just me, but it's
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like us. And now that you're here, we're
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gonna find out that it's way bigger than even any
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of us single or any one culture.
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It is actually a deeper thing. So we have three topics
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we're gonna talk about. First, Bubba and I are going to go one
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on one about our relationships with
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food and fitness and how it's kind of
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interlaced with our families, culture
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and dynamic. Uh. Then we're gonna
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take a break, and then Mow, you and I are going to talk
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about food, family, and culture in more of the
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educational space and with some real facts
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and statistics. And then lastly, we're gonna talk
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about some tips for maintaining that
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real um consistent, moderated
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diet and ultimately trying to find
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something that really works for all of us. But before
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we get into all of those things, I have a question
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I asked each of my guests, and that question is what
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have you been doing this week to improve your
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life? We've had answers all across
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the board, from fitness answers to mental
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health answers to when I started
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a garden. Recently it's just been me searching for a
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house. Um. But my
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latest thing I'm going to give am this is a kind
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of a shout out to another episode
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of let's get into it I and
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this is gonna be a weird thing. What I've done
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to improve my life this week is I've cut
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my budget for the house I'm looking for down.
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Um My, all of my all
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of my friends who tell me what my
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budget should slash shouldn't be um
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We're giving me ranges and they were like it's
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this to this, and I kept going with the max
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range like I was just like, Okay, well, if I can spend that
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much, I'm gonna go for it. And then this week,
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I I was talking to another one of my friends. I was
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talking to my friend ron Star, who was a guest on Let's
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Get into It on the Finance episode and
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uh, and he was the one who was like, you
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know, you don't have to you don't have to spend that much.
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And I was like what does that mean? And he's
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like, well, if you don't spend that much, then you can spend
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money somewhere else and you can have more experiences
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and you can do this. And I was like, that's a
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good idea. So That's what I'm doing this week
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to better my life. But again, we've had answers
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all across the board. Bubba you got something for me.
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I just started doing the celery juice
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thing. Celery juice. I've
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been juicing all week the right
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way. But yeah, my wife and
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I have been been drinking that every morning
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and and reaping the benefits. Oh my gosh. I have
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to share this, this story though, because so obviously
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I followed my cousin on Instagram and
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I also follow his wife, Rachel, and Rachel,
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please don't hate me after I'd say, tell this story.
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It was so funny. So Rachel posts
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a story of like one of those like super
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Instagram, like just a picture of the juice, and
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it was like celery juice. Bubba
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then does the most savage husband thing ever
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and films her secretly like sipping
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the celery juice hating it, just like just
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hardly liking any sip, full blown
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hating it, and just called her out for posting
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about how she loves her celery juice but
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she's like sipping it and still can't
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fully finish it. Rachel, if you're listening
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to this, we love you, but
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but I had to I had to call you over that because that
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was too funny. Um,
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all right, male, you've got something for us? Yeah,
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I guess this week is stipping out of my comfort zone.
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Hey, so appearing on your show as well out
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of my comfort zone.
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That's metas a challenge
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for me. We're super meta right now. We got
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like being here in itself,
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is it? I just watched
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Tenants this week and uh and
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and that's how I feel. I feel like it's like an inception
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brain of like this is the thing
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I'm doing, and I'm like, what how could
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it be? Um? That's awesome, though, Bro,
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thank you so much. It means a lot that you're here. Um.
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We could have had any nutritionists, we could have had any
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you know, health expert or
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somebody anybody who's studying the same thing. But the
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fact that we get to uh celebrate
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our culture, especially this year where I think it's
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so important to to be who you are and
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and celebrate who you are and support everybody
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in being themselves to the full, in
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support uh and and and really cherish
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the strength of culture. I'm so happy that you're
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here. But also thank you. I just want to thank you, especially
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on part of our participants, for giving
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a platform for male voices. Um.
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And they've been under represented for eating
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disorders. So so thank you. So much.
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Man. I think I appreciate that, And
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of course I think celebrating culture
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and highlighting it in general is a big thing.
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And I think also um as much
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as I want to highlight our culture and
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and our people and and how we experience
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food. Um, even in my talks with
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Catherine, our producer, and my other friends, as
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I was anticipating this this topic,
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it's not just our culture. And we're gonna find out
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a little bit more about that, but for
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for now, maw, you feel free to take a break. Bubba.
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You and I are going one on one and we're going to talk about
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our relationship with food and fitness.
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All right, Bubba, I've
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known you for twenty four years now, I've
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known you a long time. Are our fathers are
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brothers, and they are two out
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of ten, and out of
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the ten siblings, they all moved here. Uh
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my dad was younger than yours. And for
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my dad's stories, The
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biggest thing with being an
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immigrant, especially at that time, and I think that it's
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a big thing that goes um
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underappreciated or just really nobody
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really talks about it, is that when you move to America,
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you almost like you're you're you're
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thrown into this pot of like
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dog eat dog, like you
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have to. It's a it's a world of more, and
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if you don't have, then you are like less
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than other people. And I think that that really fueled,
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honestly, how our family
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views things
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that we want and that we need in terms of like,
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well, you always want more and you want the nicer things.
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And especially because our family, our our dads grew
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up so poor. I mean, like my dad, we're
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talking about rice for dinner,
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and then they would put sugar on the rice for dessert, like
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literally, like that was. And there's
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ten siblings and you're an immigrant family and
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it's hard to find work back in the day, so uh
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it was. It was super tough for them. But I
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want you to talk now a little bit about
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just your personal experience growing up
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with family, um with food.
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When you realize that you were you
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were wanting to make changes in your life with
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your weight or with your you know,
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your lifestyle in general. I mean
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as far as the family goes. I always link
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up any of our get togethers, whether it
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be reunion or anything celebratory,
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it's always what are we eating? It's always
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what are we eating? Who who like
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who's bringing what. It's funny you bring
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up the about immigrants
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and and our our fathers coming over and making
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sure that we had enough. I always had the thought of
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am i am I going to be able to get enough?
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Whether it be for dinner at my own like with
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my own family, or more at family get together.
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It's always like is there gonna be enough for everyone?
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So I think the thought of indulging
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or grabbing as much as you can always
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came in here. It's like maximizing the opportunity.
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Like now that you say that, I'm thinking about my dad and
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like growing up, he would never ever
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let us like not finish our food. And if we didn't
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finish the food, if we got a restaurant, it was always too
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we would take it to go because you wouldn't want
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to lose. Like you said, you don't want to lose
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your opportunity to eat. You know. My dad also
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said it doesn't matter how much money you have, never pass
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a free meal. You know. It's like things like that
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where I want you to continue on. But as you're
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saying that, I was like, oh man, absolutely well, the food
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left on a plate is that's beyond
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me now Even
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now as I've made adjustments, I still
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like I'm gonna eat what's on my plate,
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but it's gonna be the right portions as we were talking about.
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But but yeah, growing up,
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I think my eyes were always bigger than
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my stomach. But I made my stomach work, yeah
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right, got it to fit. So yeah,
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I think family get togethers being raised
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on on sweets being such
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a celebratory thing or a fun
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thing to enjoy with others. It's
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like, I want to get together, even between
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you and I when we get together with with
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our significant others and friends and everything,
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it's like, oh, who's going to get it's
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doing a snack. I mean, we we have game nights once a
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week with my with my sister and
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her husband, you and your wife, and me my girlfriend,
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and we have game nights where it
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literally is one person chooses the game, one person
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chooses the dinner, and the one person chooses
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the dessert. And it's like it's a part of it. Uh,
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it's also a part I think the issue also, and
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I think it's in a lot of cultures, but in our culture
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specifically, I feel like our food isn't the healthiest,
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you know what I mean, Like we're talking about And
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if you don't know, I'll explain what these dishes are. Uncle
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Omni makes cocoa rice and fried bread, which is
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literally hot rice pudding maybe,
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or like if you put hot chocolate and then you just
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like thickened it a little bit more and added rice into
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it, and then take dough and you just
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fry it. And what do you put when that's not enough?
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What do you put on it? You put more cream, You
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put more evaporated milk, You put
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butter and syrup on your fry bread,
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or you dip it in jelly or whatever. Like it's it's
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and that's just one dish, and that's breakfast
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too. You also are having
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you know, loads and loads of rice
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and you're having um, you know,
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everything under the sun, from fried chicken to
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it. It's just it's just because, like you said, all
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of our families and when my dad has nine
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our dads have nine siblings, each
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person is going to bring a dish that they want to
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bring, and everybody wants to make sure, like you
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said, that we have enough and not even
15:16
enough of is everybody going to get
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to eat food? But is everybody
15:21
going to get to have as much as they want
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of every single dish that they make, there's
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always leftovers. I think about our Thanksgivings
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and Mariette at Antierana's house, and
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it's literally like the biggest
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spread you'll find that could feed
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the whole neighborhood, and it's just our family.
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And that's definitely the time that like my my mind
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checks out in portion control
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and it's just indulge, indulged, indulged,
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because it's like, I'm not gonna buy
15:45
the chips, the brownies, the cookies that
15:48
are there or whatever we're eating.
15:50
But while I'm there, my mind always
15:53
went to, well, it's here now, so
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let's get as much. Let's because we might
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not get it again. Exactly. I want to read in
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the clock. So I had mentioned my story a little bit
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earlier, but growing up, obviously
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I lived in Arizona. You lived here in Marietta,
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and you're were you born were Okay,
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so you're seven years older than me. I just
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remember always like you and Sage, where
16:14
like the football players, you're always you
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know, you're working out, working out, working out, So when
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you're young, you don't really feel it, you
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know, because you're burning thousands on thousands
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of calories wearing pads and you're you're playing
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football and you're going hard in and out, in and out.
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So tell me about your high school experience
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and then going off, Um, you served a church mission.
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Uh, and then you came home. And that kind of
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started from my perspective, your
16:38
want to change your lifestyle up or more
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so, like you need to change your lifestyle up because you
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no longer were playing football every day, you were no longer
16:45
had the metabolism of a teenage boy anymore.
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Yeah, we go back to high school. Um,
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talking about rice in our in our family, there's
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not a meal that went by in my
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household. And I love my mom, and I
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love that you made it every every mother,
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but there is not a meal that we wouldn't go
17:03
without white rice, whether it be in the rice
17:05
cooker or in a pot on the stove. So
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if we had chicken, it was chicken rice. It was hamburger
17:09
helper. Then it was hamburger helper. And for breakfast,
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of his breakfast metally, and you're putting in everything
17:14
growing some rice. I didn't even know, like people
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eat hamburger helper without rice. And I didn't know
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that's the thing. I thought that was just a topper.
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So, um, yeah, in high
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school, I would inhale food at
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that point. You almost have to when you're playing
17:27
football, you know. I don't think people really recognize
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how many calories you're burning because
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you're a student and you're going to school and you're doing your thing
17:34
with your friends, and then you're spending an hour, two hours,
17:36
three hours exercising every
17:38
single day to to to play
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a sport. I think about now my
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output in comparison to what it
17:45
was then as far as exercising and
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um, all the agility workouts that I was doing,
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and then what my intake was at the time. And
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I remember thinking in high school, like, man, all
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these other guys have like I was in. I was in good
17:56
shape, I mean, starting with football and everything.
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But um, at the same time, I was like, well,
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I'm not, am I getting cut like the other guys. What's what's
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going on here? Well, it was probably because the
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mounds and mounds of rice that I was eating. Luckily,
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my metabolism at that time was still at the rate that
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it was. But yeah, I definitely wasn't.
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I wasn't losing sleepover at that at that
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point. Um, as you said afterwards,
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I went on a two year mission to
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El Salvador, where a lot of food is
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cooked in a lot of oil, um, whether
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it be rice or their chicken or their
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fish. Great food there
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by the beans and create the more. Oh
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and the plantains so good.
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But it's fried. But you're saying fried plantains.
18:36
It's you know, super oily cheese
18:39
that and and it's all super greasy delicious.
18:42
But it has Yeah, it has its costs.
18:45
But then again, just like how I was in
18:47
high school playing football,
18:49
doing all these sports for two years, I was
18:51
walking. We didn't have cars and Al Salvador wouldn't
18:53
do bikes like you see a lot of these missionaries at the state
18:56
side. It was walking up and down hills.
18:58
So that was that was a blessing in the skies
19:00
because I have to gain a bunch of
19:02
weight and then getting sick every every
19:04
so often. With with some of
19:06
the dirty water that we had, it was helped
19:09
with some weight loss um.
19:11
But yeah, when when I when I came back,
19:14
I think I continued and
19:17
we talked about celebration. You're back,
19:19
and now you have like all the candies down
19:21
there, the candies completely they love menthal
19:23
candies that the halls as candies
19:27
or just pure sugar chunks that
19:29
are dyed different colors. And it wasn't my favorite
19:31
thing. But when I got back and we had all the candies
19:33
here, um, all the different types of food
19:35
fast food at the just in
19:38
reach of you, I indulged
19:41
so much with friends with
19:43
family, and I
19:45
quickly learned that my metabolism wasn't
19:47
where it was at and my output as far as exercising
19:50
wasn't nearly where it was
19:53
um. And with that comes the
19:55
lovely depression that we all run
19:57
through as well, love it, love it depression,
20:01
anxiety, all of it um, which
20:03
just caused more comfort eating um
20:06
and overeating and binge eating.
20:08
Uh. And I found myself.
20:11
I mean, I've had a couple goes
20:14
back and forth with fitness, but I will
20:16
say my heaviest that I got
20:18
was about three and thirty pounds UM.
20:21
Today as of right now, I'm right
20:24
around to twenty. And that's that's
20:26
with with that lovely quarantine weight. We
20:29
are, I mean that we are when you first moved out
20:31
here, um, just so you, I didn't even get
20:33
to give more of information about Bubba usually
20:35
have a whole spread, but because he's my cousin. I was just like my
20:38
cousin Bubba Bubba as an actor. Um,
20:40
he's been out here now for over a year, just over
20:42
about a year, just about a year, and he's
20:45
also because he's gotten
20:47
a grip on his health, both mentally
20:49
and physically more so. Um.
20:52
You can go to his page Strand and Iono and you'll
20:54
see that we have that level of hard work, we
20:56
have that level of of athleticism
20:58
that you want to put in. But at the end of
21:00
the day, you can never outwork overeating
21:04
in a diet. So through the last
21:06
what would you say, say, how long would you
21:08
go on a mission six years ago? I've been home
21:10
for ten years now. Oh wow, So
21:12
we'll say in the last ten years you fluctuate
21:15
how many times would you say you fluctuated in
21:17
full from from getting to like
21:19
feeling real good and going and then that kind
21:21
of that kind of fluctuating back
21:23
the over eating, the binge eating. There's
21:26
that guy that that went uh fit
21:28
to fat to fit? Oh yeah, yeah,
21:30
I think yeah, he does that show right, gain
21:32
weight for a contestant and then they lose it
21:34
together. Yeah, so I'm pretty
21:36
sure I went fit too fat
21:39
to fit too fat to fit fat. I
21:41
think back and forth three times.
21:44
A lot of it was unplanning because I ended up getting
21:46
um assist inside
21:49
my my throat, so it decommissioned me for about
21:51
a year and the lovely
21:53
depression kicked in during that time. Game but I
21:55
can't. I mean that, and that plays into the whole
21:57
thing, and we'll talk about that all later. But I want
22:00
to use that information to highlight how
22:04
rampant because even in my life, though I didn't
22:07
fluctuate the same way that you did, I would fluctuate
22:09
thirty pounds twice a year
22:11
after I got my quarantine fit. Then I
22:13
was like, I'm still We're still quarantine. There's no point
22:16
in being fit. No one's going to see me except for my family,
22:18
my girlfriend, my homies, so I don't
22:20
need to impress anybody. So then you start getting
22:22
a little bit more weight, and then I start catching myself, like, dude,
22:24
I just ate four cliff bars, like that's
22:27
that's literally a thousand calories right there,
22:29
and I just ate it because I was watching Naruto
22:31
or the basketball game and it's like
22:34
messed up. And so the reason why
22:36
I was so happy to have you here as a guest is because
22:38
you're my family in between all of us, me, you,
22:40
Tanner, Sage, Jared
22:43
Seth, you know, all of our cousins. We've all had
22:45
our moments where you know, we're up or we're
22:47
down or this were that, But it's such a
22:49
through line for our family. And I'm
22:51
like, as we're talking about it, I'm thinking about,
22:53
like literally I'm having nightmares in my head about Anti
22:56
Erna saying and I love you, Antia,
22:58
this is not a mean thing, but Anti rn of making
23:00
a massive pot right when we're about to leave
23:02
for a road trip and she's like, we gotta
23:04
finish this pot of of of breakfast metally
23:07
with rice because once you leave, like nobody's
23:09
gonna be here. And it's always that
23:11
like have some more, nephew, have some more, Like I
23:13
have some more nephew will probably be on my tombstone,
23:16
and then you also have like I think we have our
23:18
aunts, and I think we both know which one I'm talking
23:20
about who will make those comments that are just like
23:23
you're looking heavy, nephew, and you're just like, hey,
23:26
and it's just a thing, you know, like it's just it's
23:28
it is. It is our culture and it is
23:30
our family. And I think we'll
23:33
we'll continue finding out in my conversation with Moo
23:36
that that it's even our culture, that
23:39
it is a culture of celebration, like you
23:41
said, every time when you come home from a church
23:43
mission, when it's your birthday, when it's not your birthday,
23:45
when it's somebody else's birthday, when it's a holiday, when we're
23:47
making up holidays. It's all
23:50
food based. And I think, as
23:52
we'll learn, food is just a
23:54
big piece
23:57
of our culture. And I think
23:59
what I'm excited to talk about in the last segment is
24:01
how we you and I and I think a lot.
24:03
You know, my sisters and your siblings and
24:06
even our even our parents have gotten better
24:09
at figuring out how to not eat so
24:11
much because I think, um,
24:14
one of the biggest things that we've done. I think I don't want
24:16
to close with this in our diets is changing
24:19
it from being you can't eat this, you can't
24:21
eat that, you can't eat this, It is
24:24
you can eat what you want, but you have
24:26
to maintain a certain amount. And I think that's
24:28
you know, through macro counting or calorie
24:30
counting or whatever it is, you change
24:32
your perspective on eating because I don't think
24:34
it's healthy to have a negative perspective on any
24:37
one food unless it's mushrooms.
24:39
I don't think it's healthy to have any one perspective
24:42
on food, uh, if it's good
24:44
or if something's bad, because at the end of the day, you
24:46
should enjoy it. And I think that I love like
24:49
I love Uncle umanized coco rice, I
24:51
love Uncle umonized fried bread and my mom's
24:53
colchorize and fried bread, and I love all of the I love
24:55
meat pies, and I love I don't like kenna,
24:57
but I love everything else. And I've
25:00
it's good to celebrate that and have that
25:02
um and uh. And we're going to figure out
25:04
what that means in the more of a cultural
25:06
aspect right now, because we're about to take
25:08
a break. But bro, you know I love you and and thank
25:11
you for coming on. You're gonna take a quick break. When we come
25:13
back, I'll talk with MO and then we'll have our big
25:15
convo at the end. Don't go anywhere, alright,
25:19
ch'all, we are back. This is let's get into it. I'm
25:21
alex Iono, and I just had a great conversation
25:23
with my cousin Bubba about just
25:25
our own family experience with eating
25:27
and over eating at that. Um
25:30
and now we're here and I got my buddy mouth
25:33
A Clark and
25:36
uh and he's here, Maw tell
25:38
us before I even try and explain it. I mentioned
25:40
it a little bit earlier. But tell us what you're doing over there
25:43
in christ Church at at the University of Otangi.
25:46
Okay, So, Um, I'm part
25:48
of a team. It's looking into Maudi experiences
25:51
of eating disorders. Basically,
25:53
studies show that the prevalence of eating disorders
25:56
and maudi equal todate of nonmudi,
25:59
which is really surprised as inferences and your findings,
26:02
it's not common common knowledge. Yeah, and
26:04
so we're out here trying to figure that out. What
26:06
do Mali attribute to the causes of
26:08
their eating disorders? What are your experiences
26:11
of treatment like um and more
26:13
importantly, what helps them to recover? And
26:16
what made you like what made you get
26:18
into that? Like how did you find yourself wanting
26:20
to study that? It was kind of like
26:23
I guess the project that was given to me when
26:25
I arrived into the Mody Indigenous Health
26:27
Institute. I guess I can
26:29
relate to some
26:31
of the experiences that Mali
26:33
participants are telling me in terms
26:35
of the relationship with food. UM,
26:38
in some exposure to childhood adversity, UM,
26:40
it's led to I guess some of this disordered eating
26:43
behavior. And the thing is
26:45
is, in so many cultures, food
26:47
and family are just absolutely
26:50
linked their absolutely one. You know, you have Italians
26:52
with with their beautiful you
26:55
know, pasta based dishes and and
26:57
and sitting down and having dinner. You have Jewish families
26:59
with a past overset er in their high Holy days.
27:02
Southerners in America, which I'm pretty sure
27:04
at this point biscuits and gravy is just like
27:06
a religion, and we just can we we are
27:08
allowed to just follow that. There's
27:10
so many links to every other culture.
27:13
And I think it's just for this episode
27:16
I challenge you, by the way, listener to figure
27:18
out your own links with your own culture to this. But
27:21
for this episode, I want to discuss specifically
27:23
because you're studying this
27:25
exact thing. Our culture, our multiculture
27:28
are Polynesian culture. With that, you've
27:30
mentioned that you've been hearing about other
27:32
people's experiences. What are the most common
27:34
experiences in the in the multiculture
27:37
that you hear about with eating disorders
27:39
and binge eating. There's so much
27:41
to unpack here. Um. I
27:43
have to remember that there are so many different ways to experience
27:46
what it means to be maldi. So there are
27:48
many different lived realities. But
27:50
some of the stories that are coming through in
27:52
terms of binge eating around health,
27:55
literacy, and food and security. So we're talking
27:57
about poverty as well in
27:59
what food are available to them,
28:01
when food is available, issues
28:04
around food and security. Oh
28:06
man, And that's I mean, that's I think it's a big thing
28:08
here in America as well, in that same culture.
28:10
You know, when you have families that are so large. I think
28:12
about if my my father and his
28:15
family have ten siblings were living in today's
28:17
world with with the same
28:19
level of poverty that they were, it wouldn't
28:22
be fast food. Every single meal,
28:24
and every single meal would be a maximized
28:27
how much can we get right now because we don't
28:29
know when we're going to get it again exactly.
28:31
And I'm thinking of one story in particular,
28:33
when lady taught me, you know, when we would we
28:35
would eat everything that was on the table because we
28:38
don't know when nixt meal is coming from.
28:41
Absolutely, So how linked is
28:43
family and food within our
28:45
culture, within the multiculture. Well, it's
28:47
intrinsically linked. It's
28:49
used in the ritualization ceremonial
28:52
processes um So Maldi. Relationship
28:55
with food is intrinsically linked to the culture,
28:58
especially two concepts such as men kitana
29:00
uma is looking
29:03
after someone a loose
29:05
translation in one way to do it for Maddy
29:08
was through food. Mm hmmm, yeah,
29:10
absolutely. I mean I think back to the trip
29:12
I took in two fifteen when I
29:14
went back to New Zealand for the first time and we stayed on our
29:16
family's modi um in Tallaga
29:19
Bay, and you know,
29:21
and by the way, it's it's kind of like a small village
29:23
and there's one building that is for everybody to
29:25
sleep in and you don't wear your shoes inside, and like it's literally
29:27
like you're sleeping person by person by
29:29
person on matts. And then there's a whole another building
29:32
that is the like the food hall in the kitchen
29:34
and our famili's kitchen. You'll see
29:36
them of all different varieties. You'll see sometimes
29:38
some of them have like full tech and everything,
29:41
like TVs in the in the sleeping rooms
29:43
and everything, and then you'll see some that are that
29:45
are absolutely basic. Ours in the sleeping
29:48
set absolutely basic. Our kitchen
29:50
is so nice because we
29:52
make so much. I mean, I think about that, you know, and
29:55
and uh, you think about the massive
29:57
hungy is the big, the big kind of
29:59
feast that we have. And there was probably thirty
30:02
or forty of us and we're having like fifteen
30:05
rotisserie chickens, you know what I mean. You're having
30:07
pots on pots on pots of rice and we're
30:10
going and we're making, um, we're eating
30:12
buckets of crayfish, and we're having
30:15
loads of food, meat pies on meat
30:17
pies and and everything and this massive
30:19
amount. And so even me personally,
30:22
though I haven't spent as much
30:24
time as I'd like to in New Zealand. Uh,
30:26
in the actual pure culture of the multiculture
30:29
in my own experiences was it was only
30:31
food. It was literally food after food
30:33
after food. And like we had mentioned, as bub and I mentioned,
30:36
you almost plan around the food more than
30:38
you plan anything else. You plan Okay, well,
30:40
okay, Auntie, you're gonna make this tonight. Uncle, you're gonna
30:42
make that tomorrow. Um, we'll make this
30:45
on on Wednesday. You'll make that. Like it was planned
30:47
more around that than it is around
30:49
the rest of the experience of spending
30:51
time with each other. What we found
30:54
with some participants
30:56
on mine is that they've disengaged with Tilmati
30:59
and for those reasons, so they're not
31:01
connecting with their culture because they know at certain
31:03
times was certain situations is going
31:05
to be food around, and so they're disengaging
31:07
from Talmai and that's and the
31:09
thing that's sad is that it is and it isn't
31:11
super cultural, you know what I mean, Like we've
31:14
we've kind of shaped it to be what it is.
31:16
You know, like you look back in the past ages,
31:19
you go back to ancestors and what ideal
31:21
bodies were back in the day, and
31:24
back in the day, being heavier, having
31:26
fat on your body meant that you had wealth,
31:28
meant that you had meant that you had
31:31
um abundance. It meant
31:33
that you can eat whatever you want and as much as
31:35
you want. And it was you almost
31:37
wanted it, you know. And then kind of towards
31:40
I would say, like the late eighties into the
31:42
nineties, especially in the
31:44
Western culture, you have people
31:47
talking about, oh, thin is the new thing, and
31:49
curves are better. You know,
31:51
you have to have a slimmer waist and then a wider
31:54
bottom half and then you want to look like an hourglass
31:57
and all these things, and it kind of changed.
31:59
And I think even though it started in the western
32:02
um part of the Hemisphere, it also
32:05
kind of creeped in everywhere else. You know.
32:07
It creeped over into even into New
32:09
Zealand, creeped over into Europe, it creeped over
32:11
into Asia and and and and really all
32:13
around the world. Yeah, there is literature
32:15
that supports it as well, the impact
32:18
of a culturation on indigenous
32:20
and ethnic minority populations. Yeah,
32:23
how in your experience in your
32:25
studies, has the expectations through
32:28
that time? You know, when heavier
32:30
bodies and bigger bodies meant you're you're more
32:32
well off. How has that changed for the
32:34
multiculture specifically from
32:36
then till now? In terms
32:38
of eating disorders, I can say that for
32:41
us, a portion of our cohort
32:44
and the eating disordered behavior is
32:46
a tribute to to body
32:48
image ideals and so you know,
32:50
the thin ideal, wistern ideals.
32:53
But for most it's actually childhood adversity.
32:57
M wow, yes, yes, so
32:59
we're talking food and security sixual
33:01
abuse or the modeling appearance
33:03
behavior. This is so
33:05
much happening. I didn't you.
33:07
I didn't even think about that, honestly,
33:11
Like you know, you think about there there are
33:13
some things that just go deeper than eating
33:15
too much food. Yeah, yeah, that's
33:18
you know, eating the sort of arisymptom of something.
33:20
So yeah, yeah, for a lot. Actually
33:22
sexual abuse was heavy.
33:25
I want to switch I want to switch gears just a little
33:28
bit in terms and talk more about the cultural
33:30
aspect of it. UM.
33:32
How how big of a roll do you think colonization played
33:35
into how the culture of eating in
33:37
New Zealand specifically, but even more specifically
33:39
in the in the multiculture UM.
33:42
Once New Zealand was colonized by
33:44
the British, how did that change? I
33:47
guess I'm thinking of
33:49
food production and so you
33:52
know, the acceleration the availability
33:54
of food UM, and our
33:56
our body is not really being used to
33:59
the kind of food that would be introduced. M.
34:01
How do you see the differences
34:04
as you're experiencing other cultures, when you're traveling
34:06
to other countries and seeing, you
34:08
know, the way that they view you know, I remember
34:10
when I went to Italy for the first time and we're
34:12
having dinner at like nine pm,
34:15
and I'm like, guys, it's time for bed like. You
34:17
know, there's different cultures and everybody views food
34:19
differently. Um, What's is there anything that
34:21
surprised you in your travels? Um
34:24
in how other cultures experienced food, No,
34:27
I UM University and straight South
34:29
America. I find
34:32
that they have the exact same passion
34:34
for food is Mali, and so it's one
34:37
way that we show love. It's one way that we welcome
34:39
you, you know. And
34:41
that's the thing that's interesting to me is the link of every
34:43
culture. You know. I know that you study specifically
34:46
the multi culture, but I think
34:48
it is just something historically we have We've
34:51
changed and we talked about this in
34:53
my episode for body positivity, but
34:55
what ideal bodies are has changed
34:58
over time. And I
35:00
think though the body image
35:03
ideals have changed over time, the eating
35:05
ideals never changed. Nobody really ever touched
35:07
on well we also aren't supposed
35:09
to be eating this much of this thing or hey
35:12
like, since the body and has changed, let's
35:14
change the way that we view food. It's never really
35:16
changed, if anything has continued on at a
35:18
stronger rate. You know, is
35:21
there anything in your studies that surprised
35:23
you about your study
35:25
of your own culture and identifying those
35:27
things I
35:29
guess picking up on what you've just said.
35:32
There are some stories where people are changing
35:34
the narrative around what food means.
35:37
So a lady in her fifties is
35:39
now raising her grandchildren
35:42
to talk openly about food, and
35:44
it's because, you know, when she was growing
35:47
up, she was forced to eat what was on your plate,
35:49
and now she wants to open the discussion. If you're hungry,
35:52
you can eat. If you're not hungry, you don't need to eat.
35:55
And I think that that that second part is almost as
35:57
big as the first part. You know, if you're hungry,
36:00
you need to eat. I think it's it's pretty
36:02
clear cut. But if you're not hungry, you don't
36:04
need to eat. As as a as a culture
36:06
that is so based in family and so based
36:08
in everybody doing something as one,
36:11
whether you're all going to the ice cream
36:13
shopper, you're all going to the beach, you're all going
36:15
to the mall. It has always been a everybody's
36:18
going everybody's in it together. And if you're not hungry,
36:21
you still gotta eat, You still gotta do that. You
36:23
wouldn't really think you have to find
36:25
out or something. It's not. It doesn't feel like a conversation
36:27
you have to have. But I think that that's something
36:30
that really sets us as as a multiculture
36:32
apart um. And and that's why I
36:34
love your studies of what you're doing and studying our
36:36
culture specifically. Is there anything else about
36:38
our culture specifically that UM that
36:40
you found in your studies that that
36:43
you thought is interesting and you'd like to share At
36:46
the moment, it's really just
36:48
getting therapy, it's being persistent with
36:51
your GPS. It's actually just getting
36:53
excess to services. That's what the
36:55
problem is. And it's because Maudi
36:58
Maudi present differently when it comes to eating too.
37:00
Is. We're gonna take a break right now, UM,
37:02
but when we get back, we're gonna be talking about
37:04
what's next and also the mental effect
37:07
that overeating and eating disorders can have
37:09
on you. We'll be right back. All
37:14
right, we are back. This is let's get
37:16
into it, and we're talking about binge eating, over
37:18
eating specifically, but also just eating
37:20
disorders in general. And I've had my cousin
37:22
Bubba here and we've talked about our own personal
37:24
experiences, and then we've had mounted
37:26
on Matier Clark, who is studying the multiculture
37:29
in UH and specifically studying um
37:32
Binge eating and eating disorders within
37:34
that culture as well. We've had some great conversations
37:37
and and now we kind of want to talk about some next
37:39
steps. But before we get into those next steps,
37:41
um you had mentioned the effect
37:43
that eating and overeating can can
37:46
have on your mental health. I
37:48
didn't realize it, you know, I didn't
37:51
realize that. It's kind of what's
37:53
that, you know, the awesome powers character the old
37:55
Scottish memories like I eat because I'm unhappy.
37:57
I'm unhappy because I eat, And it's really
37:59
just like that cycle. And if you can fall into
38:01
that cycle, which I think I easily fall
38:04
into it. You've mentioned that you've you fall into
38:06
that cycle of well, I'm sad
38:08
now that I'm gaining weight, how
38:10
am I going to feel? Not as sad? I'm gonna
38:12
eat some more food and then you then you can then it
38:14
just continues on in a in a bad cycle. Now,
38:17
can you talk about the mental effects
38:20
that that overeating and bidginging can
38:22
have. Yeah, you know, it stops
38:25
people from socializing, and
38:27
it stops people from engaging with
38:30
culture, and impacts financially
38:32
because you're unable to work. You know, the
38:36
the mental health impact of an eating disorder
38:39
really leaves one statement. Absolutely,
38:41
And Bubba, what in terms of what
38:44
moj just said, can you speak to that? I
38:46
know that for me, especially like going out to like
38:48
when I know that I'm not in my best shape, I don't
38:50
want to go to a pool party, I don't want to go. I
38:53
don't want to go to the beach with my friends. I don't
38:55
wanna when my friends like, let's all go to the
38:57
gym. I know that I'm not in shape, and I
38:59
don't want to go to the gym and be the guy
39:01
in our in the friend group that's like embarrassed
39:04
that they can't, you know, work out as long
39:06
or as hard as their friends can. Yeah. Absolutely,
39:09
Now, everything that you just listed, it was
39:11
like hit after hit, every
39:15
it just was linked to every experience. But yeah,
39:17
specifically, um, not wanting to go
39:20
out out to things because maybe I
39:22
gained a little weight and that shirt doesn't fit as
39:24
well as it did, and just having the mental
39:27
toll of you know, you'll
39:29
you'll ever think something a thousand times
39:31
when others around you won't even
39:33
think to look at you the way that you're looking at yourself.
39:35
You're always your hardest critic, as everyone always
39:38
says. But that's always something that
39:40
would come up is whenever I got I felt like
39:42
I was getting getting heavier, was oh, that's
39:44
going to be the first topic. In my experience.
39:46
They would never say like, oh, you're you're looking
39:49
a little heavier. I would always hear, hey,
39:51
you look like you're have you been lifting weights? Always
39:54
reverted back to saying it's like, oh, you must
39:56
because you played football. I mean, are you I'm
39:59
like, no, I'm eating food. I'm eating
40:01
lots of lifting my pork at a
40:03
rapid rate. And that's about it. And then I know
40:05
that, uh, that would take a toll on me. And then
40:08
on top of that, whenever I would mention
40:10
like, man, I really i'd really like to lose
40:12
some weight, all right, I really want to get back into this, i'd
40:14
hear and now maybe you've heard this
40:17
too, it's always like, well, you're Polynesian,
40:19
you're supposed to be you know, you guys are big
40:21
guys, so you don't you know, you don't need to
40:23
worry about that kind of stuff. And I would always be like, I'm
40:25
not. You know, it's a big
40:27
I mean, it's a big expectation, you know, people are
40:29
like, oh you are, Like, are all your uncles just
40:31
like big football players? Like, let's unpack
40:33
that for a sec. You know, like just the expectations
40:36
that other cultures have when they
40:38
see us, you know, they see football players,
40:40
they see massive humans,
40:43
they see you know, fat, they see
40:45
all of those, all of those things. And
40:48
I look at the three of us here on this zoom call,
40:51
and uh, and I don't think we fit that stereotype
40:53
as much as even in the way
40:55
that we like to, even in the muscle sense, you know, I have
40:58
I have I have six ft five on ales
41:00
who are twelve percent body fat
41:02
and are just the scariest human beings on earth.
41:05
Um. And then I have my uncles who do fit
41:07
the mold. I have the uncles who, yeah, they're
41:09
exactly a Polynesian. They got gout, they
41:11
got diabetes, They've had at least
41:14
one heart attack. And there, you
41:16
know, I look at my own father, who who's
41:18
a diabetic and has had a heart attack,
41:20
and he's only fifty two years old. You know,
41:22
our own grandmother passed away from a stroke.
41:25
In our own grandfather had three heart
41:27
attacks before he eventually passed. It's
41:29
it's something that culturally, we
41:31
have not yet nailed We haven't gotten it yet, and
41:33
I think that also feeds into those expectations
41:36
that others have, UM, and that's why I think
41:38
it's so cool that you're studying them. Mo Is. Is there anything
41:40
that you have to add to that in terms of the outside
41:43
expectations of the outside views
41:45
on our own culture. Oh, I'm
41:48
just reminded of the term diverse realities.
41:50
Really as you see it. You know, we don't fit the
41:52
stereotypical image of what it
41:54
means to be a Polynesian and Miley male
41:57
yeah, yeah, h Well,
42:00
the good news is we've all three of us. I
42:02
can't speak for you because we've just met today,
42:04
but we've definitely had our share of
42:06
of binge eating and we've come up with some good
42:08
ways to kind of combat that.
42:10
And so I want to spend the rest of this UM. If
42:13
you're a listener, I do want to take a quick moment
42:15
if you're struggling with any of these things, and
42:17
uh, and I want you to know that you can always get that
42:19
help. That being said, let's brighten it
42:21
up. Let's get some good tips going in. I'll start
42:24
off with the ways that I've actually been able
42:26
to suppress my portions in
42:29
which I used to eat, you know, massive
42:31
amounts. And I think the biggest one is,
42:33
um uh is
42:36
there's this like this saying that my buddy told me, which
42:38
is like eat until you're not hungry,
42:40
don't eat until you're full, just eat until you're
42:42
not hungry anymore. And
42:44
that was never really something that registered with me because I
42:46
was like, well, if I'm not hungry, i'm full. But
42:48
there is this like middle ground where you eat
42:51
until you are satiated, until
42:53
you're like okay, cool, Yeah, I feel
42:56
energized. If I was tired before, or if I
42:58
was like hang, I get really bad hanger, you would
43:00
know this. I might be the hangriest man on earth.
43:02
But as soon as I eat, I know, like
43:04
there's a certain amount that it's like, okay, I just ate enough
43:06
and now I'm happy again, So that should be enough
43:09
instead of the usual or my old
43:11
normal, which was eat until
43:13
either there's no more food left or
43:15
until I literally hate myself
43:17
for eating another bite, you know, And that
43:20
was the biggest thing for me. Um The other tip
43:22
that I've done a lot of was stopped
43:24
I stopped eating out of the package if
43:27
I have a bowl of cereal, I don't pour the
43:29
bowl of cereal and then keep the milk and the
43:31
cereal right next to the bowl to continue adding
43:33
on. Or if I have a bag of chips,
43:35
if it's not this kind of small fun bag, like
43:37
if it's a big bag of chips, pouring out the
43:39
chips into a bowl, dealing with that in
43:42
that portion control and uh and really
43:44
just kind of there's so many websites
43:46
you can go to that will tell you for your age
43:49
and your weight and what you want to what
43:51
you want to weigh. It can tell you
43:53
your healthy amount of not only your calories,
43:55
but how much fat, how much protein,
43:57
how much carbs. And so I think
44:00
my biggest tip that I would say is like, really learn more
44:02
about yourself. And that's why I love about having
44:04
you as as a guest mom, is that you
44:06
are explaining that not everybody is the
44:08
same. Uh. And so my tip is
44:11
to like learn more about you, learn what works
44:13
for you. I know that when I eat
44:15
everything, but I eat it all in a small
44:17
moderation, I'm so much less likely
44:19
to diverge off of
44:21
my own path of health and my own path of
44:23
happiness. Um that being said by
44:26
by you are also like, I think you
44:28
might be the king of losing weight because you have lost
44:30
so much weight in terms of your
44:33
like you can lose weight like nobody else I know. So
44:35
I actually want your tips, bro, What do you got?
44:37
I I always live by the outer sight,
44:39
out of mind. Growing up, I remember
44:42
telling my mom whenever I wanted to try
44:44
to get those apps or try to get cut I'd
44:46
always be like, Mom, we need to start buying
44:48
like just boneless skinless chicken and
44:51
just rice and this and that, and she'd be like, Oh,
44:53
are you going to buy it? But
44:55
now that I'm I'm an adult, it's
44:57
like, Oh, I make the shopping list, I'll
44:59
buy and I won't buy the things
45:01
that you know all over indulge in. Now
45:04
that that's helped me, I've been told
45:06
and I know that I'm very disciplined during the
45:09
times that I have my goal set and
45:11
I know what I want, and as long as I'm seeing results,
45:13
I have no problem eating the same thing over and over. But
45:16
I think a lot is said that later on in
45:18
my journey and more recently, I've
45:20
learned, you know, I can have those things in my
45:23
house. I just have to have the right mindset
45:25
around them and kind of to
45:27
piggyback off what you said, I
45:29
know who I am and how I am
45:32
and what my experiences are, I
45:34
would say, apart from all the all
45:36
the advice I would give about specifically about
45:38
what you'd buy or what you'd eat or what to stay away
45:41
from. This past week in therapy, I
45:43
brought up some of the insecurities that
45:45
I've had, was obviously with body
45:47
image, being an actor, doing modeling and
45:50
going through this this crazy time of
45:52
comfort eating during quarantine
45:54
and everything. That's that's something that that I
45:56
brought up, and my therapist
45:59
brought up a good point. I was feeling
46:01
pretty anxious one day and instead
46:03
of going to I told him that I was.
46:05
I was feeling anxious. I recognized that I
46:07
was feeling anxious, so I connected with a
46:09
friend. I went on face time and
46:11
started communicating with them, and he's like, well,
46:14
you found a new route. Instead of um,
46:17
going to the cupboard for food or
46:20
to get that comfort, UM, you
46:22
found connectivity with another person and
46:24
that filled that void that you were looking
46:27
for. So half the time I'm
46:29
not hungry, I'm not I'm not looking
46:31
for food. I'm looking for something that's gonna
46:33
you know, pass the time. When you say eat
46:36
until you're not hungry anymore. That hit home
46:38
so hard because there's so many times as as
46:40
the spoon is going up to my mouth, I'm like, am I even
46:42
hungry? I just eating because here?
46:45
But knowing ones self is huge and I
46:47
think that is so broad. But at the same
46:49
time, I would say, in your
46:51
mental with your mental health,
46:54
know what you're doing and why you're doing it,
46:57
and uh, if that's the road you want to go down, absolutely
47:00
I love that, Mow. You're actually the one that's
47:02
researching, so you have the real you got the real
47:04
factors. Give us, give us some love.
47:07
What you guys did was perfect in terms of
47:09
knowing yourself, you know, and what it looks
47:11
like for me is addressing the
47:13
emotional psychological narrative
47:16
that informs their eating behavior,
47:18
and whether that's writing it in a
47:20
diary, sitting down with your
47:23
cousin or your brother Fano, or
47:25
even with friends and just talking about that, a
47:28
safe space to explore what's
47:30
happening for you and while you're while
47:32
you've been jetting, m is
47:35
there anything that you've in your studies found
47:37
that other people have done. I know you had mentioned
47:39
the lady who's changing the dialogue with
47:41
her own family. H family does
47:43
play such a big part of it. I mean, I'm thinking
47:46
back to even when we do our game nights
47:48
and one of us is on a diet, there's
47:50
zero there's an absolutely guarantee that that person
47:52
is not They're going to not be on their diet by the end of the
47:54
night, like, and it's just one of those
47:57
things. Um. Is there anything outside
47:59
of you know, changing the dialogue
48:01
like you had mentioned in the family space,
48:04
Well, like it's something that we can do as family
48:06
members being more understanding or or
48:09
being a little bit more patient, or letting others
48:11
kind of have their own moments. You hit the
48:13
mail on the hat with that one. So family
48:16
just be family, be the to
48:18
support in late I guess the
48:20
clinicians work on the therapy side.
48:23
Um, so your job is just to be family
48:25
into show ada you know some that
48:27
can support them through the process. Absolutely,
48:30
Anti Erana. You hear that no more
48:32
okay Edsie, no
48:35
more, no more breakfast Medley
48:37
as I'm walking out the door. Okay no means
48:41
no, absolutely
48:44
man, Um. I mean, I would say one of my
48:46
biggest takeaways from today was was
48:49
you almost feel less alone
48:51
or like less isolated, especially talking
48:53
you know, talking with Bubba and having
48:55
Bubba, we've always kind of been
48:57
there for each other and and through our lives
49:00
we've always been there for each other, not even just in the in
49:02
the in the food aspect um.
49:04
But I think my biggest takeaway was even expanding
49:06
that net that overeating
49:08
and binge eating can cover, and
49:10
you making it about our whole culture or
49:13
or bringing it in about our whole culture. Maw Uh,
49:15
it meant a lot to me. And so I wanted
49:17
to thank you so much for um,
49:20
for sharing your information uh
49:22
and sharing your studies and even having
49:24
the mind to go and want to study
49:27
more of that because I know that it's a big thing. That
49:29
being said, Can you send me so they make those
49:31
fijo lollies? Um, they're
49:34
they're like they're they're chewy. Uh,
49:36
if you could send me some of those, send me a couple
49:38
of crunchy bars, um,
49:41
pineapple lumps. Let's see what else do we got.
49:43
I'm gonna need some coconut slabs, everything
49:45
nuts slabs. I'm gonna need some
49:48
black Forest chocolates and feedo
49:50
Frenzy, the juice, you know the juice that they make, the Figo
49:53
Frenzy juice. Some of these things was
49:56
the last time I was here. I
49:58
was there last year. Those
50:00
are no dated. Come on now, I'm
50:02
not done yet. I'm gonna need some tips Tim
50:04
TAM's. I'm gonna eat some tiptop orange chocolate chip
50:06
ice cream and uh. And then
50:08
you can just throw in a couple of meat pies as well. I
50:10
like the steak and cheese. No mushrooms, please. I
50:16
really appreciate you, but I really appreciate you
50:18
for coming on. This is my favorite moment of the
50:20
whole show because I just get to sit back and let
50:22
you guys just hype up your own work,
50:24
your own studies, your own social media. Um.
50:26
It is called the Not So Shameless Promo.
50:29
UM. Neither of you have been guests before, so
50:31
I'm gonna have to I'll start, I guess because
50:33
I will help you. I just dropped my album
50:35
The Gospel at twenty three. I got a brand
50:37
new movie with Netflix coming out. It's called Finding Oh Hannah.
50:40
I My all my social media's
50:42
are at alex Iona. It's the best part about having a weird
50:44
last name. Uh a, I O n oh,
50:47
and that's my not so
50:49
shameless promo. That being said, Bubba,
50:51
why don't you give us some not so shameless promo? Actually
50:54
has it this morning. I am going to be having a
50:56
short film shot next week. What
50:59
you didn't tell me that? Congratulations
51:01
Row hopefully one that follows that. It's kind
51:03
of the prequel to it, which will be
51:05
a feature. But yeah, my social media is
51:07
at Stranton. I know. Best
51:10
part about having a weird last name, I
51:12
think we have. I think it's Stranton underscore
51:14
io no specific, but you'll you'll
51:16
find it all right. Male, now that you've got you got
51:18
two examples, you have no excuses. I want a
51:20
perfect not so shameless self promo. Give
51:22
it to me, no worries. I'll be speaking
51:25
at the body Peace conference online
51:28
this year of it's in November. Check
51:31
out body Piece and I'll be presenting the
51:34
data analysis from the Mudey experiences
51:36
with eating disort of study. So by then
51:39
I should have all the information and ready
51:41
to go. So we're definitely gonna have to use
51:43
that as like we're gonna have to highlight that because
51:46
I loved your study so far and I'm excited to see
51:48
more of that. Where can we find you on social media
51:51
on Instagram? So good luck spelling
51:54
that. And uh, we'll just if
51:57
you want to not you know, be a part of the National
51:59
spelling You can just find the spelling of mounted
52:01
Amatier's name in the description
52:04
for this show. Usually I do my self
52:06
promo, but it's already done now, so I want a self promo
52:08
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52:11
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52:13
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52:15
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52:17
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52:19
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52:21
if you didn't learn from something, you can rest easily
52:23
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52:26
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52:32
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