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1:39

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1:41

may have missed them the first time around.

1:43

This episode dates back to August 2021. It features

1:46

my conversation

1:48

with Deborah Jordan-Corbel and

1:50

she's talking about her

1:52

book, Extraordinary Contact, Life

1:54

Beyond Intruders. Deborah

1:57

has had extraordinary experiences throughout her

1:59

life. The first book published about

2:01

Deborah and her sister Kathy was a

2:03

1987 bestseller called Intruders. It

2:07

was by the alien abduction researcher Bud

2:10

Hopkins and it was later adapted into

2:12

a TV series. In

2:14

her new book Deborah shares her

2:16

close-up and personal experiences with UFOs,

2:19

poltergeists, the afterlife, electronic

2:21

voice phenomena, premonition synchronicities

2:23

and non-human entities. Hi

2:27

Deborah, thanks a lot for coming on to the podcast. It's

2:29

kind of you to give us your time. We're

2:31

going to be talking about the book, Extraordinary

2:34

Contact, Life Beyond

2:36

Intruders. Basically, what

2:39

it says, Life Beyond Intruders, that's because

2:41

there was a book called Intruders,

2:43

wasn't there? I

2:45

think it was the bestseller on the New York Times

2:47

bestseller list for several weeks, as a matter of fact.

2:49

There was a mini-series taken

2:52

from it on CBS in 1992, I

2:54

believe, with the same name, Intruders. They

3:01

took a lot of Hollywood license with it. Basically,

3:04

there were a couple of scenes

3:07

plus the title that were actually

3:09

from Bud's book. The rest was all

3:12

like a compilation of other people's

3:14

experiences. I

3:16

guess they felt like they needed to jazz it up or

3:18

something, I don't know. Yeah,

3:21

they'd like to do that, don't they?

3:23

It's like Travis Walton, when they made

3:25

the movie of his experience, that was

3:27

pretty much a mess when it got

3:29

to the actual point where he had

3:31

contact. Yeah,

3:33

I don't understand

3:36

why Hollywood feels the need

3:38

to do that. If you just sit

3:40

and listen to the actual

3:42

experiences, that

3:45

ought to do it. I don't need to see

3:47

the need for much more jazzing up. It's

3:54

like, because you look at that, what happened? Do you think, well,

3:56

this isn't dramatic enough? I know, right? There

4:00

is there's a thing in the book I think you talk

4:02

about you were missing once when you were a child

4:05

and you remember a boy with big black

4:07

eyes. Yeah

4:09

I was you know

4:11

my older sister who also had

4:13

some unusual experiences. She

4:16

was about eleven years older than me a little

4:18

more than eleven years older than me and she

4:20

used to be friends with the girl

4:22

that live down the end of the street. And

4:25

this girl didn't actually live there her grandparents

4:27

did she lived in Michigan and she would

4:29

come down and visit with her grandparents for

4:31

the summer that's how my sister and

4:33

her met and she had a younger sister that

4:35

I also played with that was more my age.

4:38

So once my older sister got

4:40

a driver's license in her car she

4:43

did I met with my parents blessing take me

4:45

and her to Michigan to visit. Denise

4:50

and her little

4:52

sister. And so

4:54

I went up there

4:56

with my sister was only gonna be for a

4:58

couple of days like a weekend trip. I

5:01

remember playing out in the

5:04

backyard with my friend and kicking

5:06

a ball that went over the

5:08

fence and I ran and

5:10

jumped over the fence to retrieve the ball and as

5:12

I started to come. I

5:14

remember when I started to go back to the

5:17

backyard I realized I didn't know where I was

5:20

and I felt confused and lost

5:22

and. I went around

5:24

to the front of the house. And

5:27

I couldn't remember I was trying

5:29

to figure out in my head. Which

5:32

house I was supposed to go to trying to remember

5:34

what it looked like and there

5:36

was a house in front of me

5:38

and the front door was open and I thought that looks.

5:42

Right so I remember and I

5:44

walked into this house looking

5:46

you know for my sister and anything

5:49

familiar. And the house

5:51

looked odd to me inside I remember

5:53

thinking why is a lamp

5:57

table on a chair it should be next

5:59

to it. or something familiar

6:01

things but not quite right.

6:04

And as I

6:06

started to feel myself get panicky and

6:08

turn around and leave, there

6:11

was a little boy standing in

6:13

the doorway between the doorway and

6:15

myself. And I remember

6:17

he looked like a normal boy. He had

6:20

blond hair and brown eyes or big brown

6:22

eyes or big dark eyes. And

6:24

he wanted me to stay and play with him.

6:26

And him talking to me kind of made

6:29

me feel better. And next

6:32

thing I know, he's telling me he has

6:35

some toys that he wants to show me

6:37

in a toy room. And so I follow

6:39

him for the toys. And

6:42

we go into this room. And

6:45

I remember thinking this room doesn't seem right.

6:47

It was big

6:49

and bright and didn't seem to

6:51

have any furniture or anything in

6:53

it. I

6:55

didn't even see light. I don't even remember seeing lights, but

6:57

yet it was light in there. No windows,

6:59

but yet it was light in there, you know, stuff like

7:02

that. I noticed there was

7:04

like an area in the front of it or

7:07

in the middle of it that was like a sunken

7:09

living room. I was sort of trying to visualize in

7:11

my head how to describe it. But

7:13

it was sunk down. And I

7:15

remember at one point sitting on the edge of it and

7:18

then sitting in it, I believe sitting in

7:20

it. I can't, you know, it's been

7:22

60 years ago. I can't remember.

7:25

But there

7:28

was a specific toy that I played with that

7:30

had it

7:32

was like a shoebox kind of thing with a hole in

7:35

it. And it had strings

7:37

across it, like a homemade, you

7:39

know, guitar thing that I

7:41

was supposed to pluck on the strings. Then

7:44

the next thing that I remember is,

7:46

well, I do remember a pain

7:49

having some it felt like something's poked

7:51

me in the leg and it hurt.

7:55

But then I don't remember much

7:58

else. seeing a red

8:01

flashing light on the wall and it looked

8:03

like some long narrow

8:05

table-like thing was

8:07

coming out of the wall as this red

8:09

light was flashing. And

8:12

then the next memory I have is

8:15

standing back out in front of

8:18

the front door. The boy

8:20

is there and I'm leaving. His

8:23

mother comes in the room. I

8:25

think it's his mother anyway. That's who I

8:27

thought it was. She was really mad and

8:29

she seemed really big and mean and angry

8:31

and she yelled at the little boy, what

8:33

is she doing here? She doesn't belong here.

8:36

She needs to leave right now. Bam!

8:39

It's a light. I felt like someone shoved

8:41

me out the door and yet I don't

8:43

recall seeing anybody

8:45

touch me. And

8:49

as I stumbled out onto the walk path

8:51

that led down to the sidewalk, I

8:54

saw my sister standing at the

8:56

end of the walkway and I ran up

8:58

to her and I was so happy to

9:00

see her. I just remember

9:02

feeling so happy and relieved to see her. I

9:04

knew I wasn't lost anymore. And

9:07

I took her hand and she walked

9:09

me back to the house. I don't remember

9:11

her saying anything to me. I

9:14

don't remember anything else about the trip other

9:16

than we went home. And

9:18

then it was years later, Bud was there

9:20

and we were talking. Bud

9:23

had come to the house in the course of

9:25

the investigation that began. We

9:27

were talking about other weird things that had happened

9:29

through the years and I

9:31

suddenly started

9:34

to remember this and I believe

9:36

I mentioned something about it. My mother remembered it

9:39

and my sister was able to

9:42

get information to Bud to contact the

9:44

people that we actually visited when we

9:46

were there who also confirmed that I'd

9:48

been missing for like a whole day

9:50

and that it was my sister who

9:52

found me and that other people had

9:54

been out searching for me. So

9:57

I mean this was a very... I

10:01

was probably maybe kindergarten

10:04

age, five or six years old. I

10:06

mean, it's been a long time because

10:09

I'm 62 years old, so it's

10:11

been a long time. I remember

10:13

certain parts of it clearly

10:16

and other parts of it I'm

10:19

not so sure about. So

10:21

I wrote down what I was able to remember.

10:24

And then my sister remembered taking

10:28

me there and bringing me home. I don't

10:30

recall whether she had too much extra

10:32

to put into it or not, so I don't know.

10:35

It reminds me of something I read in a

10:37

book about a

10:40

woman who said, she remembered when she

10:42

was a child, she used to go and

10:44

play with this young girl the same age

10:46

as her at this house at the end

10:48

of their street. And

10:50

she said the memories were a bit weird. And so she's grown

10:52

up now and she talked to her mum about

10:55

the house at the end of the street and her mum said, no,

10:57

that's waste ground. There's never been a house at the

11:00

end of the street. And

11:02

this woman was also having some

11:04

kind of contact with ETs throughout

11:06

her life. But

11:09

it's like with you, it's kind of

11:11

like if that was ETs, I'll call

11:13

them ETs. I don't know what else

11:15

to call them really. It's

11:19

almost like they can mess with your consciousness

11:21

and your perception in some way if

11:23

it's kind of telepathic or something. So

11:25

it may be a gray ET that's

11:28

standing there, but you see a

11:31

child. Is that a good interpretation?

11:34

It's possible. I don't know. I

11:36

mean, I think I've

11:38

heard other people interpret it that way.

11:41

And honestly, I don't know because I remember seeing

11:44

a kid. And it's funny because

11:46

my mother, which I didn't even know

11:48

about this until Bud came and

11:51

started to talk to the family and, you know,

11:53

interview. But

11:55

apparently my mum told

11:58

Bud. That's

12:01

when she was a little girl she

12:04

had a very vivid

12:06

memory of being chased

12:08

through a wooded area by a

12:10

little boy. And

12:13

she was scared of him and i

12:15

know that i thought i should

12:17

never said that before to any of us and

12:20

that when bad head ask her

12:22

about. Things that might have happened

12:24

her when she was young and she immediately thought

12:26

of that and talk to the mother that's weird

12:28

cuz i've never heard her say anything about that

12:30

before so. I

12:34

don't know i've heard people

12:36

refer to things as screen

12:38

memories. Like

12:41

they're able to project something into

12:43

your mind that you see that you're not

12:45

as terrified of a more comfortable with. I've

12:49

heard people refer to like screen

12:51

memories of aliens that

12:53

look like owls or animals

12:56

deer of some kind. I

13:00

don't know i suppose anything

13:02

is possible when we're talking about stuff like

13:05

this you know. But

13:07

i really remember a boy yeah

13:10

cuz i heard about somebody was driving

13:12

down the road and they stopped

13:14

and there was an owl standing in front of

13:16

the car. And he

13:19

said hang on. I

13:22

know that have to be four feet tall

13:24

is no such thing as a four foot tall owl. Yeah

13:28

i've never heard of one so

13:31

moving on there was there a instant when

13:34

you were 17 years old while you saw

13:36

a UFO while you're in a car and

13:38

then there was some kind of a memory

13:40

of going into an operating theater. Well

13:43

i was i was

13:46

probably 17 it was before i got married.

13:51

Six maybe six years probably seventeen

13:53

i was with actually two girls and i was

13:55

not the driver i was passenger in

13:57

the front seat and my friend the loris was

13:59

driving. And then there was another gal in the

14:02

back seat. I didn't know her very well.

14:04

She was more friends with Dolores than me.

14:06

And we were, this

14:08

is what we did. I lived in, you

14:11

know, I grew up in a

14:13

rural area and well, I lived in Indianapolis,

14:15

which is not a rural area, but I

14:17

grew up on the far East side. And

14:19

out that way is a lot of farmland

14:21

and open field. And we

14:24

used to like to go roller skating on Friday and Saturday

14:26

night for fun. And my

14:29

girlfriend's boyfriend didn't

14:33

show up to roll skating that night

14:35

and had, I guess he told her

14:37

some excuse. And

14:39

so after we left the roller skating

14:42

rink, she decided we were gonna go

14:44

stalk him and go, he lived

14:46

in a big farmhouse out in the middle of nowhere. And

14:49

we decided to go drive by his house and

14:51

see if his car was there like it was

14:53

supposed to be, you know,

14:55

to teenage girl stuff. And

14:59

so I had nothing in it. I was just along for

15:01

the ride. But while

15:04

we were out there in the middle of nowhere,

15:06

I noticed a funny light in the sky that

15:08

seemed to move strangely. It was pretty bright. And

15:10

it's, you know, at first I thought it

15:12

was just a bright star. And then I thought, oh, that's

15:14

kind of weird. It started moving weird. And

15:18

I believe at one

15:20

point I said, hey guys, look, it's a

15:22

UFO or something like that. And

15:25

actually me

15:27

and Dolores were kind of giggling and the little girl

15:29

in the back seat with us, the

15:31

girl with us got really

15:33

freaked out. And she started saying,

15:36

no say that you guys, you're

15:38

freaking me out, you know. And

15:41

so we were kind of tickled at

15:43

her. We weren't laughing at the light, but

15:45

we were kind of laughing at how she reacted to it. But

15:48

then it started getting closer and

15:50

being even weirder. And

15:52

then the next thing I

15:54

remember consciously was

15:56

the car was not

15:58

moving. And it seemed

16:02

like we were being enveloped

16:04

by this black cloud that was

16:06

just coming all around the car.

16:09

And I couldn't see anything. Couldn't

16:12

couldn't see anything outside. And I felt like

16:14

I was being dragged out of the car

16:16

by my legs. Didn't

16:20

I don't remember seeing my

16:22

friends. I

16:24

remember. And I

16:26

don't. And this is weird. I

16:29

don't ever believe I actually remember

16:31

going into or coming out of

16:33

anything. It's like something

16:35

happens and then I'm there and then

16:38

I'm back where I started.

16:40

I don't you know what I mean. I

16:42

don't remember going into a ship so to

16:44

speak. You know what I mean. Anyway. Later

16:48

on, later I remembered some

16:52

kind of a physical examination that

16:54

was very painful and.

16:58

Was down in my lower abdominal

17:00

abdominal area and. My

17:05

female area and it was very painful

17:07

and and very

17:09

frightening. But.

17:11

The next thing I remembered

17:13

after that is I think

17:15

I was in the car.

17:18

But my friend who was driving

17:20

was outside looking at this light

17:22

in the sky and. And

17:28

then all of a sudden, I think we realized that,

17:30

you know, we had to hurry up and get back

17:32

home because we had to. Take

17:34

this other girl home that was laying

17:36

on the floorboard now and crying because

17:39

she was so scared. And

17:41

to take her home and we had to hurry

17:43

up and get back to my friend's house so

17:45

we could sneak in before her parents alarm clock

17:47

went off. And they

17:49

would get up to go to work because they

17:51

they wouldn't have liked us being out running

17:54

around all night long. So. And

17:56

then, you know, I remembered

17:59

it. That was in the

18:01

fall, I believe,

18:03

and I was about 17. And

18:06

I remember, years

18:11

later when Bud came and

18:13

started asking, he interviewed all

18:16

friends, neighbors,

18:18

coworkers, all kinds

18:20

of people involved in my life and the

18:22

weird stuff that happened to me. And

18:25

I hadn't really talked to this

18:28

gal for several years. We

18:30

just kind of drifted apart after I got married

18:34

and I had kids and

18:36

then she stayed single. And I

18:38

don't know, we just kind of drifted apart after those

18:40

years. But then I got

18:44

ahold of her. My sister, my

18:47

older sister was friends with her older brother.

18:49

So through my older sister again, I got

18:52

ahold of her and Bud and I

18:54

went to see her and talk

18:56

to her. And I introduced

18:59

him to her and then I

19:01

asked her, do you remember that night we went

19:03

to go spy on Kenny? And

19:05

she's like, yes, I do. And

19:08

Bud said, I'd like to ask you about

19:11

the light that you and Debbie and the other girl

19:14

saw when you were out in

19:16

the middle of nowhere one night. She said to

19:18

him, you mean the

19:20

light in the sky or

19:23

the light on the ground? And when

19:25

she said that, I'm getting goosebumps right now

19:28

when I say it again, because it was

19:32

like, what are you talking about, the light

19:34

on the ground? And then as soon

19:36

as she said that, it started to

19:40

trigger something

19:42

out, more memories that started trickling back eventually.

19:44

You know what I mean? Bud

19:49

asked her, she didn't

19:52

really have very much memory of

19:54

anything to add to it. And

19:56

he asked her if she would like to be

19:58

regressed. to remember

20:00

more and she immediately

20:03

said no thank you absolutely

20:05

not and she was you could I

20:08

could tell I've known I've known her for years and I could

20:10

tell she was whatever she did

20:12

remember she wasn't going to talk about and

20:14

it kind of shook her up but

20:17

and I remember her saying you know what

20:19

I have lived all these years and not

20:21

known and I think I'm fine I

20:23

am I don't want to go there

20:25

and stir anything up and Bud's like

20:27

that's fine I totally respect that you

20:30

know and and you know

20:32

we didn't he didn't push her and I

20:34

certainly didn't I mean but uh

20:38

and you know after that I there

20:41

was one other time I saw

20:45

her and

20:47

we never spoke about that and

20:50

I haven't seen her since some

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22:00

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22:02

experiencing this thing. There's no sense of

22:04

lots of people verifying

22:09

it, but you have multiple

22:11

people. Yeah, well that's why

22:13

most of the stuff in my life has been

22:15

the weird stuff. Even June 3083, which

22:17

was the big thing that left the mark in the yard

22:20

and all the other little things, there

22:22

were two different neighbors that witnessed

22:24

something that night. Then there was another neighbor

22:26

who wrote about a letter 20 years later

22:30

with another thing that could possibly

22:32

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22:34

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mother was there that night. The

22:39

three people that I interacted with that

22:41

night were there. So it was not like it

22:43

was just me. And I've always said, if

22:48

all of this weird stuff just

22:50

always happened to me and no

22:52

one else was ever around to

22:54

see anything or witness

22:57

any weird stuff with me, I

23:00

already seriously doubted sometimes my

23:03

own mental health and wondered

23:05

if I was losing my mind. I would be

23:07

definitely a lot more, I would

23:10

definitely be thinking that maybe it's just

23:12

me. Maybe there's something wrong with me.

23:14

And I remember when I went to New York, one

23:21

of the first people that I met, the very

23:23

first trip I ever went to New York was

23:25

that psychiatrist that Bud had been

23:27

working with, Dr. Klimar. Her

23:29

name was Aphrodite Klimar. I thought, what

23:31

a cool and unusual name. But she

23:34

was a super nice woman. Made me

23:36

feel very at ease. And I appreciated

23:39

that because I was already wrapped too

23:41

tight. But when

23:45

I had the psychological testing done,

23:48

there was verbal and written psychological testing

23:50

done on me. And

23:52

I remember telling the psychiatrist that was testing me

23:54

with the verbal testing, you know, it's okay if

23:56

you tell me I'm crazy because I know they

23:58

make pills for me. for that and I am

24:01

good with taking a pill if that means that

24:03

this is going to stop you know because at

24:05

that point in my life I had a lot

24:07

of fear and anxiety and I

24:11

wasn't dealing with it really well. I

24:13

have adapted over

24:15

the years and I have changed

24:18

and a lot of that fear and

24:20

anxiety has dropped away as

24:22

I have grown and

24:25

my contact whatever you want to call

24:27

it has gone from

24:29

the physical painful

24:32

and terrifying and all that other stuff

24:35

that goes along with it to

24:37

a different level and a different kind

24:39

of contact. It's almost I

24:43

mean it's gone into like vivid

24:45

dreams and just

24:50

it seems like it's on a different level

24:52

the contact that I have now it's not

24:54

so much physical and sometimes I wonder was

24:58

the physical contact early in my life

25:01

necessary in order to facilitate this

25:04

new level of contact now

25:06

I don't know or was I just born

25:09

that way you know with the extra wiring

25:11

or something I don't know I

25:14

just you know I'm trying

25:16

to rationalize and figure it all out for

25:18

myself that's where I go that's why I

25:20

go like that. If

25:22

you look back on your life and all this

25:24

contact you have if it

25:27

could all be taken away would you now say no

25:29

no I want it this this has made me who

25:31

I am. Oh absolutely

25:33

yeah I've been asked that I can't tell

25:35

you how many times I've been asked that over the last 35 years

25:39

and I wouldn't change

25:41

a thing I mean I've I've

25:43

had really bad

25:45

stuff happen to me in just

25:48

life but I've

25:50

always come through it all better

25:53

stronger and smarter wiser you

25:55

know and this is no

25:57

different and as a matter of fact if. I

26:00

had met bud if

26:02

i had had these experience i would never

26:04

met bud had i never met bud i

26:06

would have never met my late husband i

26:09

would not and if i had met him

26:11

i would meet my current husband i would

26:13

not have a life i had now my

26:15

kids wouldn't have the life they had they

26:17

wouldn't have met their spouses i would have

26:19

the grand i mean there is absolutely nothing.

26:22

Even remotely recognizable about

26:25

my life now had

26:27

i not had that these

26:30

experiences early in my life in my

26:32

childhood and and meet and

26:34

met but which which led me to

26:36

bud you know i mean. I

26:40

feel like nothing happened everything happens

26:42

for a reason whether i understand it

26:44

or not at the time but the

26:46

picture the bigger picture. Knows

26:49

what it's doing so you

26:51

mentioned 1983 so what did happen at that time. I

26:58

was living with my parents i had recently

27:00

moved back there well not too recently but

27:02

i'd move back there. Because

27:05

i had two little kids to raise and i was trying to

27:07

figure out my life so

27:09

and thank god for my parents that i had a

27:11

place i could go and my mom helped me with

27:13

my kids and i helped my mom with the house

27:15

and. I

27:19

was living with my parents at the time and they had

27:21

a big swimming pool in

27:23

the backyard with a pump house and

27:27

it was a nice big sandstone trial

27:29

level and. I

27:34

was preparing to go cut some

27:36

patterns out with a friend who lived the street

27:38

behind us. And

27:40

so i. Was

27:42

washing my hands at the sink looking out the

27:44

window and i have noticed this weird light in

27:47

the yard in the pump house of

27:49

the swimming pool and i thought in

27:51

my head what. It's that was odd

27:53

it shouldn't be there but i couldn't

27:55

really put my finger on it at the time why

27:57

i just thought it was weird. my

30:00

friend and her husband were in the same

30:02

room and they were hearing this conversation in

30:04

her her husband says. Tell

30:07

him to call the police that's what they get paid for and

30:10

mom heard him and she said no i don't want anybody

30:12

here but you and i'm like okay i'll be there in

30:14

a few minutes. You know i just

30:16

had a pete when i was telling you this in retrospect

30:18

i don't know she called

30:21

me. Write back

30:23

instantly practically. And

30:26

yet a week later she

30:28

says you know i just realized why i called you

30:30

to come home. And i said why

30:32

and she's like well i was standing at the

30:34

kitchen window and i saw this white ball of

30:36

light around the bird feeder and i thought it

30:38

was like a flashlight beam or a headlight beam

30:40

that i didn't see anybody. And

30:43

she said it got smaller and smaller until

30:45

it disappeared in as soon as it disappeared

30:47

that's when i thought to call you and

30:49

i'm thinking that must have happened really quick

30:51

because she called right back but

30:54

anyway. I see

30:56

how i get distracted. So

31:00

anyway i came back

31:02

home pull back up that same side driveway and

31:04

i went in the back of the house through

31:06

what we used to call the patio room or

31:08

the florida room it was an add on my

31:10

dad built. And there

31:12

was a trash compactor out there next to it

31:15

my dad kept his shotgun and since we had

31:17

moved back home with the kids it was unloaded

31:19

because i didn't want a loaded gun near my

31:21

kids or where they could get around it. And

31:24

so i picked it up my mom says you know

31:27

that's not loaded and i said yeah i do but

31:29

the guy i'm about to smack upside the head with

31:31

doesn't you know i mean i i told her whoever

31:33

i'm if i encounter somebody out there they're not not

31:35

they're not going to know it's not loaded until i've

31:37

gotten close enough to hit him with it you know

31:39

and i'm like. Well i'm not

31:42

that brave that was out of character for

31:44

me to go and go

31:46

out there and do that or even pick up

31:48

that gun but i

31:51

did it. And i

31:53

didn't see anything in the pump house i

31:55

did find my dog who

31:57

was supposed to be in the garage. Outside

32:00

under dad's ladder truck, but she would not

32:02

come out to me and Then

32:06

I went into the garage because I

32:08

thought well there's anybody out here That's

32:10

where they'll be the garage door was clearly

32:13

open and it was not open You know

32:15

wasn't supposed to be open when I left

32:18

so I

32:23

Was in there walking around and

32:25

there was a mattress leaned up against the

32:27

wall and I thought well I Didn't

32:30

see anybody in the garage So if they were

32:32

hiding that was only left the only place left

32:34

to hide and as I started to look behind

32:36

that mattress I Suddenly got

32:38

this feeling that I was on fire and

32:40

I thought oh my god I got to get out of here right

32:42

now this terror just welled up in

32:45

me and I turned around and headed for the

32:47

door and

32:49

as I got to the open doorway something hit me in

32:51

the chest and In My

32:55

mind over the years, I think

32:57

I wonder if that's what it was like to get hit

32:59

by lightning I remember thinking oh

33:01

my god, I'm dying and This

33:05

this light was so bright and intense

33:07

that I know my eyes were closed

33:10

but I could still see it and

33:12

it was still so intense that it hurt and

33:15

I could feel this vibration start

33:17

start to in my in

33:19

my core and just spread down my legs

33:21

and my arms and my head and it

33:24

felt like And

33:26

I'm trying to figure out for years

33:29

how to describe this it felt like

33:31

every molecule in my body was vibrating

33:33

independently, you know like I was coming

33:35

apart molecularly almost and

33:38

I couldn't move

33:40

and It felt

33:42

like time kind of stopped. I

33:44

had no idea how long that

33:46

went on My

33:49

logical mind tells me I don't know if I would

33:51

have survived very much of it So it couldn't have been

33:53

too long, but I had no idea how long it went

33:55

on and then The

34:00

next thing I know I'm a little bit

34:02

farther out the doorway and there's a big

34:04

cement patio out there and

34:07

felt like someone pulled down on my shoulder

34:10

from behind me. I did not see anybody

34:12

behind me or close to me at that

34:14

point. And it felt like somebody stabbed me

34:16

in the ear with a hot poker. Like

34:19

I am in my mind, I

34:21

could see like a knitting

34:23

needle that was red hot. That's

34:26

what I felt like. And

34:28

then I still

34:31

couldn't move. I couldn't scream.

34:35

I heard a voice, a disembodied

34:37

voice. I didn't see anyone. I heard a voice

34:40

say it was unfortunate that I had felt pain.

34:43

And then that's when I started to

34:45

notice movement in the yard. And

34:49

my eyes were blown. My eyes were

34:52

so trashed. It was like.

34:56

A dozen people with the old type flash

34:58

cubes took my picture at the same time

35:00

and I didn't blink fast enough.

35:02

And it was like I had these

35:04

white blotches in my vision that

35:07

were so intense that it

35:09

hurt. But I could still see

35:11

movement in front of me. I couldn't

35:13

see a lot of detail

35:16

and it was kind of dark,

35:18

but I couldn't see. You

35:22

know, I could see movement and I

35:24

thought there were kids

35:26

in my mom's yard. And I remember thinking, why

35:28

are these kids in our backyard? There

35:31

were six of them and they were coming

35:33

from all different kind of directions. But

35:35

they all kind of lined up off to my

35:37

right, up farther in

35:39

the yard. And then

35:41

they all kind of like glide,

35:44

like slid, glide, slid down sort

35:46

of in front of me. And as I'm

35:48

watching them, I see

35:51

this thing to my left

35:54

and it's not that far from me. And

35:56

in front of me, there's about 25 feet or so. a

36:00

basketball size white ball of

36:02

light but it doesn't hurt

36:04

like the whatever hit me. It

36:07

doesn't hurt to look at it. I could see it and

36:10

it went down really slow and then it came

36:12

back up really

36:15

slow and I felt that it was looking at me.

36:17

I don't know why I thought that but I felt

36:20

like it was looking at me and

36:22

then the thing that I

36:24

saw, I didn't want to look

36:26

at it but I didn't not want to

36:28

look at it because I wanted to

36:30

know where it was and if it was coming closer to

36:32

me. It

36:34

was egg shaped and it wasn't very much

36:36

bigger than the pump house so it wasn't

36:39

very big. It

36:43

almost seemed that it wasn't

36:45

quite all the way on the ground. I

36:47

didn't know whether it was my eyes or

36:50

was this thing really kind of wiggling

36:52

just ever so slightly and

36:54

I had some long appendages off of it that came

36:57

from the center of it but they

36:59

didn't really look like they were very strong like

37:01

they could hold anything up weight

37:03

wise so I don't know what

37:05

those were. These

37:13

little kids went into this thing

37:15

and you know I thought of

37:17

we called it a craft for years. I

37:20

mean for lack of any other thing

37:23

to call it but you know

37:27

when you think about it there's no way

37:29

that even six little kids could

37:32

have gone anywhere. I can't in

37:34

my mind think that

37:37

they got in this thing and then flew

37:39

you know three light years

37:41

away. I just that doesn't

37:43

make sense to me that

37:45

that doesn't seem logical or possible.

37:47

I don't know what that thing

37:49

in the yard was that night

37:52

but they went into it. That's

37:54

all I know. Then

38:00

i remember at some point thinking oh my god

38:02

my kids. And

38:05

as soon as i thought that thought the

38:07

voice came back and said your kids are fine your children

38:09

are fine and then i heard

38:11

my name. And

38:15

as soon as i heard my name it

38:17

was like someone snap their fingers and everything

38:19

i just described you when way so i

38:21

can mind was wiped. I

38:24

felt weird i remember thinking as i walked up

38:26

the steps i don't want to go back and

38:29

so i just want to go swimming

38:32

i just want to get wet and

38:35

go swimming i don't want to do anything.

38:38

My mom said it was my mom actually that called

38:40

my name i didn't even realize that for a while

38:42

but it was actually my mom that did she stuck

38:44

her head out the back door and called for me.

38:48

And that's what snapped me

38:50

back to this

38:52

reality anyway she

38:55

says is everything alright and i said yeah

38:57

everything's cool and i

38:59

said i'm thinking i'm gonna ask

39:01

the end if they want to come back and swim

39:03

she's like okay that's fine so i

39:05

went and i asked my friend. And she's

39:08

like yeah that's fine because this is a

39:10

nice swimming pool and it was almost you

39:12

know the july 4th weekend and it was

39:14

hot and it was a good night so

39:18

her and her daughter and i came back. And.

39:24

I think it

39:27

wasn't too terribly long after we got back that my dad

39:29

actually came home so that gave us a frame of reference

39:31

on the time. But. As

39:37

we walked across the backyard my friend's daughter thought she stepped

39:39

on a bee or something because something stung her foot and

39:41

then her foot started to get numb. And

39:45

we her mother looked her foot over and everything and we didn't

39:48

see anything so she's like we're getting the swimming pool the cold

39:50

water will help if it's a bee sting and. Within i don't

39:52

know five or 10 minutes of being in the pool all

39:55

of us start feeling. crappy,

40:00

nauseated, and my

40:02

eyes were hurting and burning and I

40:05

started noticing halos around all the lights

40:07

outside. And my

40:09

friend in her, I don't

40:12

know what she was thinking, but she's like, hey,

40:14

let's go to White Castle. In

40:17

America, White Castle is one of these places that

40:20

has these little tiny square hamburgers and we used

40:22

to call them gut bombers. If

40:24

you're nauseated, White Castle is probably the last place you

40:26

want to go get something to eat, but they are

40:28

open 24 hours. So, okay.

40:32

It was we decided, okay, we thought that sounded

40:34

like a good idea at first. So

40:36

we got dried off and we started to go

40:38

to White Castle, but then we aborted that and

40:41

they went home and I came back because

40:44

we just felt too crummy. And

40:46

the next morning when I woke up, my

40:48

eyes were swollen, completely shut. I couldn't see.

40:51

I was in excruciating pain. So

40:53

my mom took me to the emergency room and

40:56

from the emergency room, I was taken to an

40:58

actual eye doctor's office because

41:01

the guy in there said they didn't have the

41:03

equipment to properly examine me

41:05

in the emergency room. And he had

41:07

an office across the street and

41:10

asked my mother to take me over there, which

41:12

she did. And the

41:15

first thing that he asked me was, have you looked into

41:17

the arc of a welder's torch? And I'm like, no, no.

41:21

And I thought, why would you ask me

41:23

that? That's weird. And you have to remember

41:25

at this point, I didn't remember seeing that

41:27

light. So I couldn't have told him that

41:29

if I wanted to because I hadn't fully

41:31

remembered that. So,

41:35

you know, I had eye drops and a

41:37

gooey cream and it took several weeks for

41:39

my eyes to recover. And honestly,

41:43

I was diagnosed with cataracts

41:45

and macular degeneration in my

41:47

late 30s. And by

41:50

the time I hit 50, I

41:52

have already had new lens implants

41:54

in my eyes. And

41:56

I'm the only person in my

41:58

family other than my older sister.

42:00

who also had UFO experience. She

42:03

has wet macular degeneration and

42:06

she had cataracts as well. Well,

42:09

my eyes have never been the same since

42:11

that night in June and I will always

42:13

in my mind blame

42:15

that night. I can't prove it

42:19

but that's just how I feel. I could be

42:21

wrong but I really feel like whatever happened

42:23

in my eyes that night wrecked them. From

42:26

that point on, my vision was never

42:28

the same for like a year or so after

42:31

that. My eyes would burn in water for no

42:33

reason and I couldn't see. So

42:37

I really feel and I don't feel it

42:39

was malicious. I don't think it was

42:41

an intentional thing. I think it was a side effect

42:43

that you know that

42:47

they didn't do anything to me on purpose to

42:49

hurt me. But anyway,

42:54

so my eyes were wrecked. I

42:56

started having nightmares right away.

42:59

Panic and anxiety were high

43:01

level. I couldn't sleep

43:04

at night. I couldn't go to the bathroom in the

43:06

bathroom upstairs at night with the window

43:09

that overlooked that part of

43:11

the yard and even at that point I didn't realize

43:14

what was going on and why I

43:16

was feeling so paranoid and panicky. And

43:18

I would sit in a chair

43:20

or lay on the floor between

43:22

my kids twin beds and their

43:25

room at mom's and I

43:27

would be awake all night like I was waiting for something

43:29

but I didn't know what protecting

43:31

my kids. And

43:33

then when someone would get up in the morning

43:35

and the sun would come up I'd feel like

43:37

exhausted and I'd sleep for a little bit. So

43:40

that's why I said thank God for my parents.

43:42

They knew something was happening and

43:45

they supported me and helped

43:48

me and my kids.

43:50

But it was the following

43:52

few days later, 4th of July weekend.

43:54

So just a few days later the

43:57

whole family came over to shoot off

43:59

fireworks. and

44:01

swim and have a cookout because that's what we

44:03

did. And the

44:08

kids all ran through the back door and out

44:10

to the pool and my oldest nephew came running

44:12

back in immediately and he's like, grandma, what's wrong

44:14

with your yard? So all of us

44:16

adults went out there and looked and

44:19

there was that mark. It was

44:21

like an eight foot circle, right? You

44:23

know, about 20 feet from the concrete

44:25

patio and it wasn't very far. My

44:27

dad had a hundred foot ham radio

44:30

tower out back there and it wasn't

44:32

too terribly far from that. And

44:34

then it

44:38

had a long like 49 foot swath. A

44:41

street came off one side of it and it ended

44:43

in a perfect arc, it was

44:45

perfect. And it was exactly two feet wide

44:47

all the way down and all

44:49

the grass in it had turned kind of a grayish

44:53

beige and just looked like

44:55

it, it wasn't crushed, it just looked like it laid

44:57

over and died. And the

44:59

dirt was rock hard and

45:01

it seemed as if part of it was a little bit

45:03

pushed up on one side and there was a great big

45:06

crack in it. And it had

45:08

a little bit of a weird smell to it. And

45:12

my mother said, oh, that's

45:14

where our UFO landed

45:19

the other night. And I looked at

45:21

her and I remember thinking, what did you

45:23

say that for? And,

45:25

cause it, you know, I didn't think it was

45:27

funny. And then I looked

45:30

back down at the mark in the yard and that is

45:32

when I started to

45:34

remember the light and

45:36

the kids and the thing. And I mean,

45:38

everything started coming back and

45:41

in the following weeks and

45:45

months, more things came

45:47

back, more memory came back, not only of

45:49

that night, but of other things

45:51

that had happened in my life previously that

45:53

I couldn't believe I had forgotten about. So,

45:57

and I started doing

45:59

weird things. carrying

50:00

a big briefcase and he was driving a big

50:02

sedan and he went out the where the mark

50:04

was and he did some stuff in the yard

50:06

and then he left. We had

50:08

had we had people pull up. My

50:12

dad would sit in the

50:14

window and watch the bird feeder. He

50:17

had his spot where he had his coffee and

50:20

his cigarette every morning so he would sit there

50:22

while we'd be sitting in the kitchen at the

50:24

kitchen table just having

50:26

coffee. Some people would drive up

50:28

the side driveway where

50:30

I had gone and they'd drive around the

50:32

turnaround then they'd stop, they'd jump out of

50:34

their cars, take pictures of the backyard and

50:36

then jump back in their car and leave

50:39

while we're sitting there and my dad kept

50:41

trying to catch him but we never we

50:43

could never catch him. Was

50:45

there black helicopters as well? Well

50:49

that happened yeah

50:51

that happened. It was probably

50:53

a year or so a couple years later and

50:56

they flew around

50:58

the house back

51:01

and forth for years. I mean we'd see him

51:04

my sister my older sister claims

51:06

that she

51:08

was out driving one day in the country

51:10

part out further where there wasn't you know

51:13

buildings and a black helicopter came down almost

51:15

on top of her car and followed her

51:17

for a long time. I have

51:24

taken multiple pictures of them. I called

51:26

Indianapolis International Airport. I called

51:30

Fort Benjamin Harrison and asked

51:32

them about these helicopters and why what

51:35

are they doing and somebody at

51:37

Indianapolis International said they gotta be they

51:39

gotta have number on them and like

51:41

there was one helicopter that did have

51:43

a number on it but the rest

51:45

of them did not have numbers on

51:47

them anywhere and I told her that and

51:49

she's like well they don't that's impossible

51:51

and I'm like no it's not I have pictures

51:55

so and they were close. One

51:57

time we had one that circled

52:00

our house on Washington Street so many times

52:02

that my neighbor actually called from across the

52:04

street to see if we were all right

52:07

because she thought it was a police helicopter.

52:10

And they were so low that it was

52:12

shaking our house and our windows. And

52:14

it's like, obviously, this is

52:16

not some kind of covert

52:18

spying. I don't know

52:21

what purpose

52:23

this would serve. Why

52:26

did whoever was doing this do this? It

52:28

made no sense to me, but

52:31

I have plenty of pictures of them. Yeah,

52:34

it's almost like they're trying to harass you.

52:36

But then again, it's not like you have

52:38

any control of whether or not you have

52:41

a UFO encounter. I

52:43

don't know who they were or what they were

52:47

up to. I'm just

52:49

glad it finally stopped because it scared my

52:51

kids. That's a

52:53

four. That's full of stories.

52:56

But it's not like it's definitely

52:59

UFO activity. And you say it's

53:01

almost like you had experiences

53:04

that your people would say, this is a

53:06

poltergeist. And you had all sorts of weird

53:08

things happening. Oh, yeah. And

53:11

there were a lot more than what was

53:13

in the book. But that's just the stuff

53:15

that I had remembered and I wrote down.

53:19

But there were periods of time for

53:21

months at a stretch where it would

53:23

be some weird thing would happen

53:25

to one of us daily.

53:29

Like my little sister, who

53:33

she's never said that she's had any

53:36

kind of experience like this, extraterrestrial wise

53:38

or see the alien things. But

53:43

she and her boyfriend were downstairs making

53:46

out. They

53:48

were teenagers. And we had a

53:51

pool table in the basement. And there was also a

53:53

cabinet in the basement that was like a big metal

53:56

wardrobe almost. But it was old and

53:59

messed up. didn't latch. So

54:01

we had taken a coat hanger and wrapped it

54:03

around the knobs to help it hold it close.

54:07

And they were downstairs making

54:09

out by the pool table. And all

54:11

of a sudden, Sherry

54:14

said it was like somebody kicked the

54:16

door out from the inside.

54:19

And the coat hanger

54:22

unwound and the door burst open, but

54:24

there wasn't anybody in it. And

54:27

it scared the hell out of them, obviously.

54:29

And I've

54:32

been downstairs, mom was downstairs many

54:34

times, we know we are home

54:37

alone. And

54:41

you'll hear multiple people walking

54:43

around upstairs. And

54:45

you'll maybe hear the stereo turning on and

54:47

off a bunch of times, TV turning on

54:50

and off a bunch of times. And you

54:54

know there's no one there. You're there all

54:56

by yourself during the day. And yet, you

54:59

hear all this commotion upstairs. It sounds

55:01

like a bunch of little kids running around everywhere. Except they're

55:03

not my little kids, because I know where they're at. My

55:11

mom, she liked to watch

55:13

soap operas, and she'd sit down in the lower family room area,

55:15

and it had a big mirror across one side, halfway up the

55:17

ceiling. And I had two big

55:22

swag lamps on either side. And the opening

55:24

of the swag lamps hung down facing the

55:26

floor. But it was open, so it

55:29

was easy to change the light bulb. So mom was

55:31

sitting there watching her

55:33

stories one day, and she got up off of

55:35

the couch to go upstairs to fetch something. And

55:39

she heard a pop, and she turned around and looked. And one

55:41

of the light bulbs in the swag lamp exploded, which that in

55:45

and of itself was

55:47

maybe not a big deal. But what was weird was

55:49

when it did, all

55:52

of the glass from the shattered light

55:54

bulb dropped right down below the opening

55:56

of the years

58:00

later mom passed away you know

58:03

almost 20 years ago. Daddy passed away

58:05

seven years later and the house

58:07

obviously we had to sell

58:10

the house. My dad went to a nursing home and

58:12

so we had to have sell the house and all

58:14

the stuff and

58:17

the person who bought the house as it turned out went

58:19

to high school with somebody that I knew and

58:22

a few years back I got you know years

58:24

later after they bought it I got contacted

58:27

by this gal she's like hey my my

58:29

BFF bought your mom and

58:31

dad's house and she kind of knew the

58:34

story of what had happened there.

58:37

Now the woman that bought the house they didn't

58:39

I don't think they knew anything about it but

58:41

of course my friend filled them all in but

58:43

for what I understand they

58:47

who the people who bought the house never

58:50

had anything weird happened never

58:52

seen anything weird it's since

58:56

you know so apparently it was us and

58:58

not the house that was you

59:00

know creating or attracting all

59:02

this weirdness. We've

59:04

almost run out of time and I've

59:06

got so many more questions for you

59:08

but you'd like to

59:10

do this again sometime. Yes

59:13

I'd love to that yeah that'd be great. Well

59:16

thanks a lot for coming on the

59:18

podcast the book is called Extraordinary Contact

59:21

Life Beyond Intruders and

59:23

that's out on Amazon and other places is

59:26

it? Yeah you can get it

59:28

from Amazon you can get it on Kindle you can

59:30

get it from Barnes and

59:32

nobles.com books a million dot com.

59:35

Do you have a website? Yes

59:37

I have a website that people can

59:39

contact me through and that is www.debshome.com.

59:46

Great well thanks a lot for coming on the

59:48

podcast it's been great. Well

59:50

thanks for having me I appreciate it. And

59:53

that was an interview with Deborah

59:56

Jordan Corbell about her book Extraordinary

59:58

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