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1:27

back, all the smoke. A

1:29

day in LA, man. We

1:31

got a good one here,

1:33

Jack. Man,

1:53

someone I've been following, him and his brother for a long time.

1:55

We're from the same area. He's from 209.

1:58

I'm from Sac, so I wish I had it. Mike

4:00

Tyson. Of course he already

4:02

knew. So Mike Tyson,

4:04

I like Oscar

4:06

De La Hoya, Fernando Vargas, all

4:08

those guys. Ricardo

4:11

Mayorga and Andre Ward, like

4:13

everybody. I was going up around the same time

4:15

as Ward, they'll find him too. How

4:18

old are you? I'm 39. Okay.

4:21

So I'm 44, I'm a little bit older than you. How old is your brother?

4:24

He's 40. Okay. How

4:27

old is Ward probably the same age? Yeah, I think Ward is 42. So

4:29

yeah, you guys are in the area at the same time? I

4:32

can still take over if you want to. Yeah,

4:34

I know. You fought Jake in the past, obviously

4:37

Mike has a fight with Jake coming up. What

4:39

are your thoughts on that fight? I'm

4:41

with Mike all the way. I'm Mike's the man you already

4:43

know. Jake's

4:45

young, explosive, and got nothing to lose in every

4:47

fight. So I think that's what he's got going

4:50

for him. One day everything's going to

4:52

switch, one's going to be like he's supposed to be the guy

4:54

who wins. Pressure changes. People are

4:56

like a little different. How

4:59

do you enjoy that fight with him though? Just

5:01

like that. I felt like I was training for that

5:03

fight a little bit and I lost interest the whole

5:06

camp. But

5:09

that's what I'm about to do and it's like the biggest

5:11

shit. You started training Jiu-Jitsu when you were 16. Explain

5:14

Jiu-Jitsu for somebody who don't know anything about

5:16

fighting at all like me. Jiu-Jitsu is most

5:19

of the time when a street fight happens

5:22

or a boxing match happens, most people

5:28

in here will think that someone's going to come and hit you

5:30

right in the face. So they're

5:32

going to come in and they're going to think about that.

5:34

They're going to attack that. But most of the time the

5:36

fight's going to be on the ground anyway. If

5:41

you know what you're doing on the ground, most

5:43

of everybody's fucked. Fuck.

5:46

That's the hang on. I don't know nothing about that

5:48

grounded pound. Yeah, I'm going to tap

5:50

out. I'm going to start begging. Like if somebody just,

5:52

I'm going to start grabbing and he just farted and

5:54

start breaking my

5:58

leg. I'm going to tell him to stop. I'm gonna

6:00

ask him to stop. Please. What am I

6:02

gonna do? I can't get out of that. I was not

6:04

taught to get out of that. Unless I got the pistol.

6:06

You got long ass legs too. I got the pistol going

6:08

down, but if I ain't got no pistol, I ain't trying

6:10

to get my leg broke out. You ain't grappling. At 46,

6:12

you surround. You ain't scrapping them Jordans? I

6:15

mean, I'll do anything, but breaking my leg is not a part,

6:17

I don't know nothing about that. Okay, I hear you. I don't

6:19

want to deal with that one. When

6:21

was your first fight? My first

6:23

profile, I was 19 years old. What

6:25

about just fight? Period. In the

6:27

real world? Like 11 or 12, young,

6:29

young, but before I

6:32

was fighting even, when I was

6:34

younger than that, my brother and everybody around me, all

6:36

him and his friends, they're a little older and they

6:38

would find everybody. So I'd already seen fighting. So when

6:40

I got in a fight, it was kind of just

6:42

like, yeah, well, I'm up. You're

6:45

in your time. My ass. Was it a

6:47

time that you kind of like fell in love with it? Like

6:49

how were we when you like fell in love and like kind

6:51

of figured this could be- Talking about the training and shit. You

6:53

know, when I started training, before that I

6:55

kept fighting, what scared me is fuck. Oh

6:57

really? I was trying to find myself in

6:59

the fight. And I

7:02

started showing my brother. And what happened was when

7:04

I was young, young, I was in

7:06

school and my brother kind of was known around town

7:09

before the MMA game and everything. He's only a year

7:11

and a half older than me. So

7:13

he was known around town for getting in fights

7:15

with people like

7:17

all over him and his boys. And

7:20

so he was out of school when I got in,

7:22

he already dropped out. And when I

7:24

got in school about freshman year, I

7:27

got in a little fight with a kid in

7:29

class and went like after school at the park, motherfucker

7:31

and he's like, all right. So

7:34

when I left class, the

7:37

whole school was talking about fighting, about

7:39

me fighting at the park. So people are coming up

7:41

to me like, what's up, you gonna fuck him up

7:44

after school? I'm like, what? Get the fuck off me.

7:46

And I'm like, now I'm just like tripping his third

7:48

period, fourth period, fifth, so I gotta go through the

7:50

whole day. Remember when I'm the one, time was on

7:52

crack today. So I was

7:54

like, fuck. Every

7:57

class, everyone knew about it. So by the time. school

8:00

ended, we walked to the park and

8:02

I'm walking to the park and there's fucking,

8:06

uh, there's a hundred, 200 people

8:09

at the park. So I'm already

8:11

headlining parks in high school. I'm

8:13

like, fuck, I'm the nerder building.

8:15

Cause you know, I fought

8:18

a couple of times in middle school and

8:20

elementary school, but in high school, it was like,

8:22

what? And then when I

8:24

got to the park, not to mention my brother and

8:26

homies heard from back home. So when we got to

8:28

the park, my brother and all his homeboys that I

8:30

grew up with were all at the park too. So

8:33

I'm like, Oh, fuck these guys are here, dude. You

8:36

got to put on. So I had to stand

8:38

up and fight this dude for felt

8:40

like 20 minutes, probably fucking three to

8:42

five minutes. Right. And, uh, and,

8:44

uh, anyways, we go home and nothing big

8:47

happened. We squabbled each other. Nobody won. Nobody

8:49

lost. We squabbled each other. And, uh,

8:52

and then, um, when

8:54

I get home, they're like

8:57

cops called principal card. You're suspended this

8:59

and that. And I'm like, all right,

9:01

fucking my brothers. My brother's

9:03

already training. He didn't fight

9:05

yet, but he's training and he's like, he

9:08

was at the fight. And so he's like, what's up? You

9:10

come in, you want to come train with me? I'm about

9:12

to go right now. And I was like, I was like,

9:14

no, I'm good. I'm just going to chill. And he's like,

9:17

you better get your ass to the gym with that

9:20

week as performance at the park. And then some gee

9:22

pants. I mean, keep pencil like jujitsu pants. He's going

9:24

to do. I'm going to get your shit in

9:26

the car. Like, Oh, that's

9:28

fucking motherfucker. And I got a car that

9:30

went to train with him. So I

9:33

started training with him every day after

9:35

that. And, uh, and

9:39

then, uh, somebody signed us up for a

9:41

jujitsu competition, which was five

9:43

months down the road. Man, my boy Rudy moved

9:45

on my best home. And we both trained every

9:47

day. Then like a month or two. And, and

9:50

then when we, we sent up for this, this

9:52

tournament, we started training every day and, uh,

9:56

we got, we got close like three months

9:59

out. I remember four. months out and people

10:02

were telling me like, you know, the fools, some

10:04

people, we have beef with one there at this

10:06

party. I'm like, I'm cool because I

10:08

wasn't drinking now. I can't or doing chips. I was

10:10

just trying to for this match that

10:12

come in and he's like, he's a

10:14

let's pull up there right now. Domino, let's

10:16

pull up. I'm cool off that. I got

10:19

shit. I got shit. I'm training for I ain't going

10:21

out there right now. So I started

10:23

training. And I was like, well, I was

10:25

like, I have bigger, I have competition I'm

10:27

training for, you know, and I want to

10:29

win these matches and shit. That

10:32

shit's petty. It like I felt like

10:34

I got bigger than that. Find outside

10:36

stuff right off the bat from

10:38

jujitsu from martial arts. And

10:42

anyways, that's what

10:44

happened. I started competing in jujitsu. As the

10:46

jujitsu crap class, I was training my

10:48

brother because he's fighting to put the gloves on me

10:51

and be like, let's squat. I need you

10:53

and you me and my boy Rudy. I need

10:55

you guys to try to fuck me up with

10:57

the gloves. Because I got a fight coming up

10:59

and we're the only ones of age everybody else

11:01

after jujitsu practice goes home, because they

11:03

got jobs and they're older. And so

11:06

my brothers like put

11:08

these gloves on and your mouthpiece and let's

11:10

let's fight. So me and my me and

11:13

my homie and a couple other younger guys,

11:16

every day and then all sudden I was fighting.

11:19

And I was like, the competition kept me

11:21

busy, did not worry about anything else that

11:23

I had going on beforehand. And

11:26

then that one took off.

11:28

Did you drop out of school or you stayed in school and kept

11:30

training? About the same time I

11:32

went to I stayed in school

11:35

for for probably about six to eight

11:37

months in and out. And

11:39

then it was eventually like I'm just training

11:41

fucking before and that was my new school.

11:43

I learned a lot there. So that was

11:45

on the same time you and your brother

11:48

was written five videos from blockbuster. That

11:51

was about the same time. About about 1415. What you always had

11:53

about 9999. your

26:00

podcast. All

26:05

right. What age did you make it to the UFC?

26:08

I didn't even see where I'm 21. What

26:12

was that experience like? I mean, that's the

26:14

biggest stage. That's like us making it to

26:16

the NBA. It's horrible. Really? Yeah.

26:19

They put me on the ultimate fighter.

26:22

So check it, right? They try to put Nick

26:24

on the ultimate fighter. He already was in the

26:26

UFC. He's already in the

26:28

UFC for fucking and

26:31

he did a bunch of fights, had a few losses. And

26:34

then they called him that, like, hey, we want to

26:37

put Nick on the ultimate fighter. The first ultimate fighter.

26:40

As like the coach? No. Oh,

26:42

to do it again. Not

26:44

the first one. The fourth one

26:46

was a comeback season for fighters who

26:48

were in the UFC and

26:51

then had losses and they

26:53

like laughed and made a story to come back.

26:55

We're going to give he's got another

26:57

chance, but Nick didn't never leave the UFC. They

26:59

just wanted him on the show because he was

27:01

a fucking entertaining, you know,

27:04

sense of the line. And

27:06

Nick's like, I ain't going on that shit. I

27:08

already been in the UFC. And I'm like, I'm

27:10

a, I'm just a kid listening. I'm like, yeah,

27:12

you know what I'm saying? I didn't know what

27:15

he's talking about. And he's like, I ain't going

27:17

to the UFC. That shit's fucking with us. That's

27:19

stupid. And so

27:21

the show came on. Nick fought again in the

27:24

UFC and kept fighting the UFC. And the show

27:26

came on and, uh, and,

27:30

um, it was stupid.

27:32

Me and Nick were sitting there watching it again.

27:34

Why is this so stupid? And,

27:36

uh, and

27:38

then later the, uh, we,

27:41

we backed on it anyways. And Nick was like, I'm

27:43

calling the left and did bigger shit and did better

27:45

shit. And then it was up to

27:47

season five and they called me like,

27:49

yo, we saw you fight. We know your

27:52

brother and we want you in the ultimate

27:54

fighter. And now my manager

27:56

is telling me, who's my coach and

27:58

him and Nick. I

34:00

don't think people have a concept of what money is

34:02

and how much taxes. I

34:04

think the white, I think being white gets

34:08

a, gets a fucking, he gets

34:10

a, he gets a bad rap, you know, but I'm

34:13

not giving him a good one, but I'm not

34:15

like, my bro, he's paying a lot more people,

34:19

a lot more money than fucking

34:23

people think. Like I

34:26

just don't think people know what the fuck. How

34:29

is he as a person? You fuck with Dana? Yeah, I

34:31

think he's cool. I'm

34:34

not backing up Dana White and white on no

34:36

more money to give them more fucking, some more

34:38

money. Give me some too. If I go back

34:40

there, you know what I'm saying? But I

34:42

think, I think he's paying a lot of people, a

34:46

lot of money more than the boxing. It's fucking

34:48

like everyone's like boxing, boxing has the

34:50

highest paid, the

34:53

highest big fights. Like, like

34:55

if you think about as far

34:57

as combat sports, like boxing is

34:59

paid, the highest paid fighters, a

35:03

lot more than the UFC has. But

35:05

the UFC, I think has paid a lot

35:07

more people, a lot of money.

35:10

Just overall. Yeah. There's

35:13

so many of them. Yeah. He's the, he pays the

35:15

whole roster a bunch of fucking shit.

35:18

But when they were, when

35:20

people, people wouldn't even

35:22

fucking make this shit happen though. They should be

35:24

like, what? They should demand that shit

35:26

and get their own shit. That's up to you,

35:28

I believe. Yeah. Like, no. You

35:32

are what you negotiate. Yeah. That's

35:34

cause I, you know what I already been through and did

35:36

that shit. So like people were like,

35:39

they started that union shit. We need to get the

35:41

union. I'm like, I union. I

35:43

was talking about that fuck you, see, you're CNN.

35:45

No one was helping me with no union. Fuck.

35:49

I'm gonna have to make my own motherfucking union.

35:51

Yeah. And then it happened. And then, uh, if

35:54

you train hard enough, they'll figure that shit

35:57

out. You know what I'm saying? Cause you'll

35:59

figure that out on miles on miles. It's

36:01

a game within the game. Yeah, the art

36:03

of trash talking you're big on Talking

36:07

shit. Where did that come from? And who are

36:09

some of the greatest trash talkers in your opinion?

36:12

Jail, Sonan, huh? Just son is the

36:14

ladies That's

36:18

how I got that's so you got who else try but

36:20

when did you put that in your game? You

36:23

always been someone that talked. Oh Yeah,

36:26

I'm different than him though. Yeah, you have a

36:28

different style. Yeah I'm sure

36:30

when I'm finding like for real about it. Just

36:32

don't it be talking hell shit, right? Period.

36:35

Yeah, he's hilarious Where's

36:38

my brother I saw my brother in the older home.

36:41

He's all fighting people too on the streets and the

36:43

blame Talking

36:45

shit while it's happening in my oh, that's

36:47

how you fight. Mm-hmm Your robbery with Connor

36:49

was one of the best in the MMA

36:51

I have fought twice in 2016 choke them

36:53

out the first time lost by decision the

36:55

second time So much bad blood

36:57

when you look back on it Do

37:00

you see do you think that you two elevated each other?

37:06

Mm-hmm. It was definitely good for us

37:08

as fans. We enjoyed it. We

37:11

enjoyed the rivalry. Are y'all good now?

37:19

I think he's cool by fucking If

37:28

they offered you a fight him again with you I

37:32

I'm offering them the fight boxing boxing.

37:34

No hands either way either.

37:36

No any in the cage or just hands

37:40

Yeah, either way is fine. I'd like to

37:42

find him in MMA. I'd like to fight

37:44

the guy fighting in MMA Mm-hmm. I like

37:46

to fight all these motherfuckers in a real

37:48

fight But

37:52

If they can only box a box them

37:54

to you have made a lot of fight

37:56

bonuses in the UFC history Can you break

37:58

that? down to you, like how you get

38:00

the fight bonuses? Yeah,

38:03

I think that it just comes with training, just got

38:05

to train harder and train better than everybody. And you

38:08

have no choice but to fight

38:10

better than everybody. And

38:14

the bonus in the conscious, like if you knock him

38:16

out, you get more money off you. Like

38:18

how does that work when you get those bonuses? You

38:22

get back in the day with

38:24

65 racks, if you won a

38:27

bonus. You got fight the nights,

38:30

admission night, and knock on the night. What

38:33

are those bonuses like? I got the record, huh? Did

38:35

you just say that? I won. Most

38:37

bonuses. I'm like, why don't they be like, why you

38:39

think it's so tight? I'm like, what is this? So

38:41

on paper. Who

38:44

got the motor on? And I fought for a lot.

38:46

I took a year off a few years around, on

38:49

three years, one time, I'm like, I still got more

38:51

than all these motherfuckers. What if I catch up by

38:53

now? They're all knocked down out the career by now.

38:55

People's longevity in these careers, I'm for shit

38:57

talking, it's great. I'm not even gonna talk all that

39:00

shit, but you're gonna be like peeking and popping for

39:02

two or three years. Right, right. I've been for, when

39:04

did I say 21, one of the years,

39:06

2007, I got into USC, and

39:09

what year

39:11

is it right now? You

39:14

know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm

39:16

still fucking out, but who let this

39:18

fight? Most popping motherfucker, right? I just

39:20

fought him. What happened when I, 2007,

39:24

I went on to fight him, popping the whole time. I've

39:26

been hot from the beginning. You're hot for a minute, bro.

39:29

Now you be a fan of me. But

39:31

what I'm saying is, they should fully be

39:33

talking shit. Yeah, shortness. I just heard fucking

39:35

people, some of these fighters saying some shit

39:37

in my brother's year, fucking rookie, talking

39:40

shit. You been fighting for three years, you got 20

39:42

years in the game. Get your ass, yeah, well even

39:44

just getting into the top 10, they throw them right

39:46

in, and they get to the top 10 in five

39:48

minutes, you know what I'm saying? How long did it

39:51

take? We top 10 basketball player, bro. Forever, right? What

39:53

is the, how you getting your top 10? We got

39:55

one win versus one to the day, and fucking 25

39:58

amateur, lame butt. Top

40:00

five guys the whole time I've

40:02

been fighting and now like they try

40:04

to act like I'm down and out too

40:06

Because I left the OC it's not like

40:08

the OC was like you got to

40:10

go you're holding down now I'm

40:13

out this bitch. I'm popping. I gotta go guys

40:15

shit to do so when I left the motherfucker

40:19

Right now That's how

40:21

they projected but I'm like watch me be right

40:23

back and win this motherfucking champion at 170 So

40:28

the guy is not stupid just knocked out

40:30

everybody else. So I'm done now I'll

40:33

be right back never Damn

40:38

and years off So

40:42

you see yourself getting back into the UFC at some

40:44

point obviously your boxing right now But I plan I

40:47

want been a bunch of asses out here I'm making

40:49

a bunch of money and then going back to you

40:51

see and talk this shit. Well, I don't that's my

40:53

plan You attended a Sacramento

40:55

Kings game you got a lot of love coach Mike Brown

40:57

shouted you out Basketball fan.

41:00

I love the Kings. Okay, and I

41:02

also got fucking a lot of love

41:04

for Going to stay

41:07

I'm in with the Kings for

41:09

yeah cool minute So if you

41:11

love the moose back in the day when

41:13

I was younger my homie pappatella He's taking

41:15

me in the games yet his parents up

41:17

season tickets Take it again since I'm 15

41:19

tell my 20 and we go sit like

41:22

half court like no fab Like 12

41:24

rows ever something like that and

41:27

that she was the funnest times I had in

41:29

my life What's your what's your jumper look like? My

41:32

job, I can't play best Play

41:36

there I played until I was in high school the whole

41:38

time, but I fucking was playing with my I 40

41:47

is a friend of the family friend of the show you

41:49

guys are cool. What was 40? Stupid

41:55

fuck I'm doing 40 water you

41:58

cool with a 40. Yeah I'm a friend

42:00

of the program. Talk to us about 40 and how

42:02

cool he is. E-40, he's

42:04

like a, you heard his meaning.

42:06

He's an OG mentor, that's the man right there. I

42:09

got a lot left for him. Shout out

42:11

to his son, he might have hung me up with a

42:13

cyber truck, what's poppin'? Oh yeah, son did. Yeah, he did.

42:16

Now they pulled up in the cyber truck one day,

42:18

we're like, I

42:20

ain't put him on blast like that, but he hit

42:22

him, people are like, hey, my boy, what's up, man?

42:25

You got one? Yeah, I got something to drink. That shit

42:27

dope? I was sick, yeah, sick as fuck, it's sad. What

42:29

color's yours? Yeah,

42:31

I'm gonna black it out. You're gonna

42:33

have to. That's dope. I'm

42:37

so sad. Outside of fighting,

42:40

you doing anything else outside

42:42

of content, business, anything else

42:44

you're into? Yeah, right now

42:46

we're throwing shows, Real

42:50

Fighter Incorporated, and then I got

42:52

a closing band representing. I

42:54

got some of your merch, I don't know if some of it's from your

42:56

team, but they sent me the sweatshirts and two

42:58

shirts, I appreciate you bro. And then

43:01

I was

43:03

planning on fighting forever, that's all I wanted to

43:05

do. So you don't see, you don't see lots?

43:07

Well, I mean, as long as I can forever.

43:10

Yeah, fuck it. And

43:13

that's my main, my

43:15

main objective. I just wanted to just show you

43:17

some love, man. We've been big fans of you,

43:19

we appreciate what you do for the sport, again,

43:21

NorCal Love all day, and we know

43:23

you don't talk too often, man, so we appreciate you coming to fuck

43:26

with us, that means a lot to us. Yeah,

43:28

I love, thanks for having me too, I appreciate you guys,

43:30

big fan too, big fan too. Thank you, man, down the

43:32

line, man, whenever you wanna do something, we started all the

43:35

smoke fights, so you know, when we

43:37

get outta talk, your love's gonna have you a

43:39

part of the family. Yeah, love, thank you. So

43:41

quick hitters, top five MMA fighters of all time

43:43

in your opinion. Shit,

43:45

top five for me right now? I'm

43:51

gonna name a few of that off top, my

43:53

brother Nick Diaz, Hixon Gracie, boys

43:57

Gracie, and the Gracie, oh

43:59

Gracie family. And who

44:02

else? Spoiler, Gracie, and the rest, there's

44:06

a bunch of badasses out there, so

44:08

yeah. You have

44:10

a law of fan base. What's the craziest

44:12

reaction you had from a fan? I don't

44:14

know. You gotta ask my boys about

44:16

that. I know you didn't sign

44:18

some titties and something like that. Yeah,

44:21

those are all kind of crazy shit. And

44:24

I made different type of fans too. Yeah, they get

44:27

fucked up. Wild

44:29

as hell out there. One

44:32

of the guys with the no shirt, just believe at

44:35

the first year, she just believe. That's

44:37

fucking crazy. One album you

44:39

can listen to with no skips. Both

44:43

thugs in harmony. Man,

44:46

that's just off the top of my head. But a love of money?

44:50

With the crossroads, all that shit. He's

44:52

1990. Yeah,

44:55

he's 1990. What's the

44:57

first thing you're doing in the morning, the last thing you

45:00

do at night? First thing, brush my teeth.

45:02

Last thing, brush my teeth. Keep

45:05

it simple, hygiene. I don't want to say.

45:08

If you can go against any fighter in

45:10

MMA history, past or present, who would it

45:12

be? Elijah

45:15

Gutierrez. Wait,

45:22

what? That's my boy right

45:24

there. I think if I can... My

45:29

contact line over here. The

45:31

question was if he could fight anyone

45:34

in MMA history, who would it be? If

45:42

you could see one guest on our show, who would it

45:44

be? But you have to help

45:46

us get your answer on the show. On

45:49

your show, Seth Brogan. Seth

45:51

Brogan. Yeah, that'd be sick. Is that your

45:53

homie? No, he's not. He's

45:58

funny as hell. Hey,

46:01

just for that stuff, bro, you gotta

46:03

come on your show. You

46:05

gotta come. That's right. Let's go. We're sitting in

46:07

the business right now, sir, bro, you gotta pull

46:09

up on us, bro. You

46:11

gotta pull up on us. And bring all that dope, what

46:14

is it, lighters and the fast

46:16

trays. Houseplants. Bring all

46:18

that Houseplants here. Houseplants. Houseplants. Houseplants.

46:22

Houseplants. All that good stuff you got, dawg.

46:24

Having fun. Hey, well that's a wrap, man. Nate

46:26

Diaz, you can catch this on all the Smoke Productions YouTube and

46:28

the DraftKings network. See y'all next week.

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