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lag is gone. Is

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it? I hope so. I'm delighted.

2:48

I've never seen me heard you talk

2:51

this properly before. Oh, thank

2:53

you. Well, I hope you're right because right

2:55

now it's uploading. You just created a purpose.

2:57

No, are you kidding me? Oh my God. No,

3:01

dude, I thought you were I thought you

3:03

were pranking me. No. Okay,

3:06

you're fine now. Okay, I'm just gonna stop

3:08

talking about it. I'm clearly jinxing it. It

3:10

says uploading 82%. Yeah, that might

3:14

be an internet thing then, but congratulations on your

3:16

new computer. That may

3:18

or may not be any more useful. Okay, maybe we

3:20

have to get that recording studio faster than I thought.

3:23

Yeah. Do you love her, the new laptop? This is

3:28

my first time using her. So, oh, welcome.

3:30

Currently she's giving a bad

3:32

reputation to herself. No, she's odd

3:34

to me. It sounds better

3:37

than ever. Well, thank you.

3:39

The audio is exactly the same

3:41

because I haven't touched my road

3:43

caster. But

3:45

the camera's nicer. I was gonna say you

3:47

look very clear in your camera now. Interesting.

3:50

I have so much for that really

3:53

expensive webcam I bought. But okay, great.

3:55

I'm glad that this works better. You

3:58

know, she's just surpassing expectations

4:00

that we didn't have and she's

4:02

barely meeting the expectations we did.

4:05

Yeah, it's awkward matchup, maybe

4:07

not soulmate level, but it's

4:09

okay. It's okay. She's

4:11

doing good. You just got up to

4:13

99% uploaded so I'm pretty excited. Let's

4:16

hope it stays there because I'm nervous. Why do I keep talking

4:18

about it? Because we're both, we

4:20

have I think a little trauma from this. I'm so

4:23

sweaty. What people

4:25

don't know is that for months we have

4:27

been constantly keeping an eye on my upload

4:29

levels on my laptop and it's never been

4:31

good, which is what forced me to get

4:34

a laptop last time. But now I think

4:36

we're both just primed to have to stare

4:38

at it at a fear. Yeah, I feel

4:40

like this constant like, uh oh,

4:43

anytime something's even a little bit off. So

4:45

I'm gonna get over it, but in the

4:47

meantime, I will just try to ignore it.

4:50

Well, you know what we're

4:52

supposed to talk about this week. I don't

4:54

remember. It's okay

4:57

because it's your new house? Yeah.

5:00

Okay, great. Well, so can I say one thing beforehand, which I

5:02

just want to say because it's not a big thing. I just

5:04

want to say it before I forget and I know I'll get wrapped

5:06

up in your new house. Happy

5:08

Mother's Day to everybody who was, who

5:11

is a mother, identifies as a mother, doesn't

5:14

have any mother figures and it's like, you know,

5:17

any, anybody out there. Happy Mother's Day to whoever

5:19

that means to you. And also, um, Blaze

5:21

took, Blaze and Leona surprised me with a

5:24

trip to the Appalachian Festival over

5:26

here in Cincinnati. So it was the best day ever

5:29

and highly recommend if you're in the area and you

5:31

need something to do next Mother's Day. It's

5:33

a great place. I bought a broom and... Trying

5:37

to take a mother? Well, it was like one

5:39

of those handmade, you know, brooms from

5:42

people who, because they have a lot of like

5:44

living history displays and like churning butter and shit,

5:46

you know. And so there's the guy who's a

5:48

broom maker and it's like generations of broom makers.

5:50

It's this gorgeous thing. I'm going to like hang

5:52

it up here, I think. And it's

5:55

like, like teenager who sold it to me was like,

5:58

oh, I don't know how much he charges for this. grandfather and

6:00

I was like, oh my god. Oh

6:02

my god living history indeed Wow,

6:05

and that was like not any sort of

6:07

character like that I would not be able

6:09

to control my face as someone called their

6:11

grandpa grandfather and well, I thankfully was staring

6:14

at some brooms and was making other like I

6:17

just pretended I was just enamored by the brooms which I

6:19

also was and I Bought a little

6:21

house that is made of like sound

6:24

Wood scraps and there's a little light in it

6:26

and it plugs in so that it's like a

6:28

cabin with like logs It's so cute. Anyway, so

6:30

it was a great time. We ate

6:33

what was the was it just

6:35

like a living history festival? Or was there

6:37

like no, it's like there's music they had

6:39

Native American dancing They had a Navajo flute

6:41

player and I got like so enraptured by

6:43

that that now when I go to sleep

6:46

I just listened to Navajo flute music like

6:48

I've just great It was it was so

6:50

cool and they had all different kind of

6:52

aspects of Appalachian history They had

6:54

trinkets you could buy they had different foods

6:57

that woolly woolly beans I

6:59

don't know lots of stuff that is

7:01

very Appalachian and then they sold crafts

7:03

They had like the living history me

7:06

kind of immersive part. They had lots

7:08

of live music dancing like a lot

7:10

of What do you call it? Oh my

7:14

gosh No

7:16

clogging clogging I think Sure,

7:19

just a lot of it was just very cool. I'm

7:22

very there's a lot going on a lot of live

7:24

music. There was live storytelling like

7:26

with older got old these two older men

7:28

who bring their little like Storytelling truck around

7:30

and then they do like storytelling sessions with

7:32

an audience Anyway, so it's very cool and

7:34

I just want to wish everyone a happy

7:36

Mother's Day So now let's talk about the

7:38

more important thing. M. Oh, well,

7:41

I don't know about that I just went I only

7:43

said it because I knew I would forget if I

7:45

didn't say something but Yeah,

7:47

we haven't we have had a

7:49

lot of things go on in our lives since we

7:52

recorded that and That

7:55

includes you seeing the house, which I think we said

7:57

the the second half. This would be us you

7:59

giving a full review. A big C-Sandy Yelp review,

8:01

if you will, on the house. Five

8:04

stars. I would give it six if I

8:06

could. I can't wait for the updates that

8:09

you've already planned out, but I think it's

8:11

beautiful. You are not kidding. It is turnkey.

8:13

You walk in. It's gorgeous. The woman who

8:15

lived there before did a beautiful job renovating

8:18

it. Even has very

8:20

millennial-coated floral wallpaper accents.

8:22

It's just beautiful. I

8:25

was just very impressed, and I think

8:28

it's going to be a very happy home. It has a

8:30

gorgeous little yard with a garage.

8:34

I mean, it's just really beautiful. I'm just so happy for

8:36

you. The garage will one day be

8:39

the studio or some element of it will be the

8:41

studio. They're renovating that whole space, which is

8:43

going to add a ton of square footage.

8:46

Yeah, it's going to like, I think the

8:48

goal is to like triple our square footage.

8:50

At least like a wild thought, but it's

8:52

LA folks. Remember that. We got to

8:54

build on top of it instead of out. You got to build up.

8:57

Got to build up. Build up, not out. Yeah,

9:00

it'll take a while. Last

9:03

time you asked if I was happy,

9:05

and the answer was, I will

9:08

be. And that's still the answer. And then afterward, I was like, I

9:10

hate when people ask me that. And I was like, oops. Well,

9:12

only because I feel bad. I'm like, I'm

9:15

going to bum you out with my awkward answer

9:17

of no. But

9:19

I when I

9:21

have a I think it's also like I don't I can't

9:24

see it yet in my head. So like when I see

9:26

it, I'll be excited. But we haven't even figured out plans

9:29

or anything. Allison's dad is coming at the end of the month.

9:31

He's an architect. He's going to help us. So this

9:33

is the fun part. This is the Pinterest stage. I

9:36

know. But I

9:38

mean, I'm going to when he gets here, but he's not here

9:40

yet. So currently,

9:43

I'm still like technically, if I wanted to, I have

9:45

the keys and everything. I could just go over there

9:47

and sit on the floor if I'd like. But I.

9:49

Oh, that's what I would do. I used to do that

9:51

all the time. I would like when I we got the

9:53

keys to our new place in L.A. And I just go

9:55

sit there because why not? I

9:57

live here now. Well. That's

10:00

true. But also there's no furniture or any

10:03

comforts over there. So, uh, I would, oh

10:05

there's a TV. She left us TVs, which

10:07

is nice. So that's nice.

10:09

That is nice. Yeah. Allison is

10:11

more excited, but I think it's because she, I'm,

10:15

I am, I'm just overwhelmed that

10:17

like all the little steps and Allison is a, as a

10:20

task person. So it's easier for her to get over it.

10:22

So, um, yeah, she's

10:24

calling the gardeners. I've already called, I've gotten

10:26

two quotes on this and I was like,

10:28

girl, what? Like, okay, here's an example.

10:30

And like everyone, you can laugh at me. I

10:32

don't care. But like I'm in my thirties. I

10:34

didn't, I never knew what it meant cause I

10:37

never had to. But like when

10:39

people are like, Oh, just call the city. I'm like, what

10:41

the fuck does that mean? What does that mean? I don't

10:44

know. Like things like that. Like I can't even ever

10:46

heard of such a thing. Oh,

10:48

I've been told that about 50,000

10:50

times in the last month. I'm like, Oh, you just need

10:52

to call the city. And I'm like, how does everyone know

10:54

the number to the city? What makes me mad? I feel

10:56

like holding out on me. It

10:58

feels so gatekeeper, but then also I'm like,

11:00

maybe I'm supposed to know this and nobody's

11:03

told me. It's any consolation. I have no

11:05

idea what the fuck that means. So because

11:07

we'll make sense. We're trying to get permits

11:09

and you know, figure out if we're able to

11:11

do things, we have to keep calling the city. We

11:13

had to, we have a historic district

11:15

thing and the quote unquote city

11:18

laws. And we were redoing

11:20

a whole building and like changing the whole

11:22

thing. So I know there were many calls

11:24

made to probably the city, but I was

11:26

like, that's not on me. Sorry. Either probably

11:28

has the city on speed dial contractor had

11:30

to do it actually. Like I don't think

11:33

that was on us. Like I think I

11:35

contractor dealt with it. I think it

11:37

can be on the contractor, but I think they,

11:39

we were being held if you want to figure it out.

11:42

But she's not phone by the way, she doesn't mind

11:44

being on the phone. I obviously knew how to call

11:46

the city. She had no problem with that. I said,

11:48

apparently we have to call the city and she went,

11:51

okay. And I'm like, do you just have their fucking

11:53

number? Like, I wonder if it's like a certain, get

11:55

me merbanks. She's

11:58

explaining to me and I totally understand. Is

12:00

that a thing? Yeah, you call

12:02

the city for zoning. I called, okay, I

12:04

typed in city of Burbank zoning and there's

12:06

a phone number. So I guess you just

12:08

call what you Google it. It's

12:11

I'm sure it's that simple and yet I still

12:14

it's one of those things that immediately

12:19

because it's something that seems so simple to everybody

12:21

else and yet I had to like do

12:24

the stuff of figuring it out. It's

12:26

already like discouraging of like if I can't

12:28

even fucking if I don't know who to call then how

12:30

do I get anything on? So I'm sure it's fine, but

12:33

it's the it's all the tiny little steps that add up that

12:35

I just get stressed out and I'm like, I can't even make

12:37

the I don't even know how to do that. You

12:40

don't do that. You have somebody you have a

12:42

partner who is ready and willing and wants to

12:44

do that. You're lucky. Blaze and I

12:46

were like, you call no you call no you call like

12:48

at least you have a partner who wants to. Blaze and

12:51

I were just like, no, I just want to think about

12:53

what color to paint the walls. That's about as far as

12:55

I got and it's still exciting to do

12:57

that. I don't know if she

12:59

wants to but she certainly knows that every

13:01

excited I actually certainly know she has to

13:03

she's like I've got multiple contractors coming. I'm

13:06

so excited. I'm getting two different two

13:09

different what do you call it quotes? She's

13:12

like I already spoke with the gardener. I've decided where

13:14

which trees I want to put where I was like

13:16

girl get it. I wish you could come to my

13:18

house and help me because I need help. No,

13:21

she does see you on top of it. I

13:23

know part of it is a slight guilt because

13:25

fun fact for everybody the entire time that we were

13:27

getting this house is when she was off the grid in

13:29

the Amazon. So

13:32

she did not really with love Allison

13:34

sorry, but she did not really participate

13:36

at all because she just couldn't she

13:38

wasn't in the country or with internet

13:40

access or in the real world in

13:42

civilization. Yeah, so I think this

13:44

is her paying me back of like I did

13:46

everything and now she's like well she's like

13:48

I'm on it to me like a very get it

13:51

done kind of gal. I mean anytime we had a

13:53

dorm room or our apartment Allison was

13:55

like in the office the leasing office

13:57

like laying down the law

13:59

and I was just hiding in the corner.

14:02

So I feel like she's definitely suited for

14:04

this kind of activity, which I'm

14:06

so happy for both of you that you have

14:09

that. I'll

14:13

be really useful when it comes to- I'm scared

14:15

to hire from some tech because I'm like, I don't want to talk

14:17

to a stranger ever, even if it's through an app and they

14:19

come to my house. I'm

14:21

just such a chicken shit. Like, trust

14:25

me, what I'm saying is I get it. I'm like,

14:27

I get it. But there's fun stuff to do besides

14:30

that, just like Pinterest. I'll

14:34

be really useful when it

14:36

gets to organizing. And

14:38

once everything's in the house, I'll be

14:40

really good. I always

14:42

thought, after playing so much Sims,

14:45

I thought I am prepared for

14:47

this. And maybe, no? No

14:49

figure. Sims is not real life.

14:52

What? Yeah. I

14:54

was like, I got- there's- Who

14:58

locked me in a room full of toilets? I

15:01

think you did that too yourself. Oh, that

15:04

was me. You're right. My bad. Anyway,

15:06

no. I'm glad that- Can

15:10

somebody tell me how to find a

15:12

handy person? Sorry. As I'm asking, somebody

15:14

on- listeners helped me find

15:16

a therapist. So now I'm just thinking, can somebody help

15:18

me figure out how to find a handy person? A

15:21

handy man is the generic term that's fine.

15:23

I don't know what's appropriate, but a

15:26

handy man. I would just like somebody that

15:28

I can text and be like, hey, the

15:31

baby gate on top of the stairs broke. Could you come

15:34

fix it? We don't have time. Does somebody know how to

15:36

do that? Is that your thumbtack? If

15:38

you live in Kentucky, I feel like there's a lot

15:40

of dads out there who just don't know how to

15:43

do all that. I know, but how do I find them? I

15:45

know they're around, but how do I link

15:47

up with them? Poster on a

15:50

telephone pole? I don't know. I

15:52

don't know about that. Just go help me.

15:56

It doesn't work. I've tried that over and over again.

16:00

Hmm. Yeah.

16:02

Okay. Well, if somebody has a recommendation like

16:04

some tack or like task, grab it or

16:07

whatever, just let me know how this works.

16:09

Same here. Same

16:11

here in Birmingham. I'd cover life advice.

16:15

I mean, I'm currently our handyman right now. His name

16:17

is Jonathan and he's not very good at his job,

16:19

but he does better than what Allison and I could

16:21

have pulled off. That's kind

16:23

of what I want. Just somebody who can pop in and

16:25

out and like, I just, it's just like understood. Like when

16:27

you have a minute, can you come over and like fix

16:29

this curtain rod, you know? Yeah. I

16:31

don't know. I will miss that about apartment life,

16:34

just getting addressed quickly, but

16:37

um. Yeah. That's why I'm like, maybe

16:39

I need a handyman. Anyway,

16:41

you let me know because I also need

16:43

a handyman. I'm assuming it's just on like

16:46

some tack? Question mark? I don't know. Now

16:48

I'm stressed out. I've lived here for four years. I'm

16:50

like already stressed out. Okay.

16:54

Just leave it to Em to make everybody stressed out about

16:56

something that we were all excited about

16:58

five minutes ago. You know,

17:00

we can all slowly build to

17:02

excitement together because once

17:05

I at least have a floor plan,

17:08

I'll get excited, but we don't even have

17:10

that yet. So it's just like, it's all

17:12

just a blob of like mystery. They

17:16

have a lot fun fact. They have like

17:18

apps and stuff. I was gonna say CD-ROMs.

17:20

Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. They have like

17:22

apps and software where you can, I'm

17:25

sure they have CD-ROMs, where you

17:27

can take a picture. They have

17:29

a Rosetta Stone. Yeah. You have to

17:31

take the CD-ROM to your local library and they're going to

17:34

look at you like, what the fuck is that? Where

17:37

you can take a picture of your room and then

17:39

it'll, you can like change the walls and change the

17:41

paint color. It's really fun. And

17:44

like add furniture from different stores. I've

17:47

heard of those. I'm excited when I, again, when

17:49

I have walls, I will be very excited about

17:51

that. But, um, okay. It'll just take time. You

17:53

have walls? Not, not,

17:57

not the part we're building. That's not the part we're

17:59

keeping. Oh, I know. I just mean the inside of the

18:01

house like the current house. Oh, yeah, we're

18:03

not really doing anything to change anything in there Oh,

18:05

okay. Okay. Okay. It's just the it's

18:07

just the Turning into

18:10

a whole story building that's gonna be a

18:12

well that's gonna take some work. Yeah. Yeah.

18:14

Yeah Anyway,

18:16

I'm glad you got to see it because it was We

18:19

were keeping out a secret for quite some time. It's beautiful

18:21

and I'm so proud of you and

18:25

And as as time goes on I

18:28

will become more and more excited. So I hope

18:30

so. Stand by. It's fun I

18:33

just I just I like to control things and I

18:35

currently feel out of control All

18:39

right, why do you drink other than

18:41

having a great Mother's Day do you got anything

18:43

going on um, I Have

18:47

a weird rash does that count where It

18:50

matters where oh your arm Yeah,

18:52

that's I wanted it to be somewhere a

18:54

little juicier But it's my inner elbow and

18:57

it's my left inner elbow I've this is always

18:59

where I get rashes when I'm allergic to something

19:01

like red food coloring or if I eat too

19:03

much citrus So I think I checked

19:05

out though. That's been around for like a week and a half

19:07

now Oh, it's been around for like two

19:10

months girl doctor How

19:13

do I know one number and it's 9 1

19:15

1 help me? I don't understand like I Think

19:21

my Dad

19:23

across the street. Hey man, I Would

19:27

I mean my I would type in

19:29

allergist or something. That's what I believe said too,

19:31

but like I think

19:33

it's like a I

19:36

think it's just dermatitis. Like I think because I have it.

19:38

I don't know it happens every now and then so I'm

19:40

like I think it's just I get these Yeah,

19:43

I don't know. It doesn't matter. That's why I drink. I guess

19:45

why do you drink? Mmm

19:49

I drink because we We've

19:52

done a lot recently behind closed

19:54

doors and I'm running right? Yes.

19:57

Yes and

20:00

And it's

20:04

just, no, I'm just, I'm just, I'm

20:06

looking around at my room. I feel like the task list just

20:08

goes on and on and on and I can barely do one

20:10

task. I can't even call the city. So I

20:12

feel like... Okay. Well, again,

20:15

that feels like a big daunting thing that most

20:17

of us probably can't do. So don't worry. Which

20:19

like, this brings me back to like, why don't

20:21

we have like classes in school that actually teach you

20:23

how to do things like that? Because I feel

20:25

like such a dummy and like, I'm

20:28

living an experience that is very common.

20:30

But I think we're all doing that. Like, we're

20:33

all winging it. Like nobody really knows. Everyone

20:35

just thinks everyone else knows. Yeah.

20:37

Although Allison really made it seem like she knew.

20:39

So it really hurt my feelings. Well, it's Allison.

20:42

That's different. She just went to the Amazon by herself

20:44

for two weeks. That's not

20:46

the average person M. I don't know how it ended

20:48

up with someone so capable, but... Because she's capable

20:50

and it's like, oh, what a good match. So

20:52

she can do that weird, hard red tape stuff

20:55

that we don't know how to do. So

20:58

anyway, we're going through, you and me,

21:00

we've been doing a lot behind closed doors. And now I

21:02

feel like now that I'm back, I was like, oh,

21:04

I can take a little rest. But no, no, no,

21:06

it's only just begun. So I'm just, I think

21:09

I'm going to get myself a fun little treat later

21:11

and then I'm going to crack into it. But

21:14

the reason I drink in a good way

21:16

is that later I will have a fun little treat. I'll

21:19

have to tell you. After that, I

21:21

will have to work all night, but that's okay. Because I'll

21:23

have my FLC. Honestly,

21:25

that's the way it works. I'm proud of you.

21:30

And speaking of Mother's Day's update

21:32

on Lola Liona, what's she up to these

21:34

days? What's her favorite color? What's her favorite snack?

21:37

Yellow and

21:39

Sesame Street cereal bars. Great.

21:42

And what's your favorite color these days, according to her? According

21:45

to her, it's red. And I don't think I've, I've kind

21:47

of had to, I've kind of

21:49

had to just acknowledge and accept the fact

21:51

that I won't ever be able to change

21:53

my own favorite color. Because

21:56

it's just been so ingrained. It's almost like I've

21:59

been brainwashed. into thinking it's my

22:01

favorite color, so it's like she's creating my

22:03

reality now, so whatever. Does she

22:05

have a favorite prank these days?

22:07

A favorite gag? Like she was all about

22:10

what, Slippery Mountain or whatever it was called?

22:12

Wobbly Mountain. Wobbly Mountain. Oh, I posted a

22:15

cute picture of Leona and me all dressed

22:17

up and somebody said, the queen and princess

22:19

of Wobbly Mountain. Precious. I

22:22

think I'm the princess because Leona is the queen of course.

22:24

Of course. She

22:27

loves to try

22:30

to run away toward a dangerous thing.

22:32

So do you. She thinks it's

22:34

very funny. Mommy, daughter, date. I

22:37

know, right? I'm like wow, this is very familiar. When

22:39

I was little I used to play that fun game

22:41

with my parents. Give

22:43

her a fake social security card and just see

22:45

what happens. See what happens, yeah. Yesterday I

22:47

gave her a piece of bread like with like butter

22:49

and jam on it or something and she's, I was

22:52

like oh do you want to dance with me?

22:54

And like she was eating it, she's like sure.

22:56

And she just literally, it was like unbelievable, like slow

22:58

motion, just chucked it and it like flew through

23:00

the air, landed face down. She didn't even like

23:02

look and I was like, Leona,

23:04

you just like chucked that onto the floor.

23:06

And I look over and she's like shaking

23:08

her butt and I'm like well okay,

23:11

this is my life. Why am

23:13

I even fighting it? Yeah. Well

23:15

okay, great. Sounds like she's doing

23:17

good. Yeah, I mean she's

23:19

having fun. Well, happy Mother's

23:21

Day and uh, I'm

23:24

glad you had fun. I also had fun. I

23:26

didn't have to do anything, um, but

23:29

Allison hung out with my mom. So, oh how

23:32

did that happen? She's in DC

23:34

right now. Oh, I didn't know.

23:36

Okay, great. She's gone for another two weeks.

23:38

She's taking all the hard work off your

23:40

hands. I know she spent Mother's Day with

23:42

my mom. I like, I get to max and relax

23:45

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23:48

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23:50

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26:17

I'm ready to tell you a story because I'm

26:19

noticing that we hit our 20 minute mark and

26:22

I don't want to lose the audience. I love

26:24

this arbitrary mark that you've created. I push it.

26:27

I was like five more minutes every year. Oh,

26:29

great. And

26:32

here's another thing for

26:35

why I drank is that I don't

26:37

remember doing these notes because we were

26:39

supposed to do this episode a long, long

26:41

time ago and then I had to get a whole new laptop. So

26:45

this is out of my memory. I officially don't

26:47

know what's going on. So we're going to

26:49

learn together today. This is so fun. Now

26:54

this is the story of the

26:56

drum roll. No,

26:59

okay. Hannah House. Hannah

27:02

House? What's that? Well,

27:05

let me tell you a question. You gave me

27:07

a drum roll and then you're like, anyway, here's

27:09

a thing you've never heard of. I

27:12

had you drum roll for the mystery because

27:14

we're going to dive in together.

27:16

So my first

27:18

note from pastem says in

27:21

1858, this house was

27:23

built for the Indiana state legislator Alexander

27:25

Hannah. So that's where we get the

27:27

name Hannah. Okay.

27:29

This is a mansion with 24 rooms,

27:32

all of which apparently have fireplaces.

27:36

That's a lot of chimneys. Or do you think

27:38

it's all kind of webbed into one? Yeah, I

27:40

think they meet in one. That would be

27:42

hilarious if the house had 21 chimneys on it. Yeah,

27:49

the fire hazard's insane. I mean, think about

27:52

the fire hazard of houses back then where

27:54

everyone has to survive off of fireplaces. Like,

27:56

how were people just... Okay, but nobody's wearing

27:59

polyester. So that's a

28:01

plus. In a lot of

28:03

ways. In a lot

28:05

of ways. That's the only bonus I have. I don't

28:07

really know. I don't really know. I'm just surprised that

28:09

just how this works. I guess people knew how to

28:11

deal with fire though. Like I think people were more

28:13

apt to deal with a fire place. Like nowadays I'd

28:15

probably be like, I can figure this out and watch

28:17

a YouTube video and then like blow up my home. I

28:20

guess that's true. And also like fires back

28:22

then maybe were even less often than now

28:24

because now we have electrical fires. Like

28:27

maybe- Oh yes true. Yes true. So

28:33

maybe there was just- if it's

28:35

not happening near the chimney it's not happening anywhere. And

28:37

I think it was a necessity. Like that's how they

28:39

warmed themselves when it was cold. Yeah but that's what

28:41

I'm saying. Like you would think if there's constantly a

28:43

fire to warm yourself you would think there would be

28:46

more fires. Like accidental fires. I

28:48

think there probably might have been. I don't

28:50

know though. I don't know. Historians

28:52

weigh in. Thank you. Arsonists

28:56

weigh in. Thank you. Thank you. The

28:59

mansion had 24 rooms and thus maybe

29:01

24 chimneys. It also had a

29:03

two story kitchen which think of

29:06

the sandwiches you could store in there. Oh

29:08

but think about how much work it would be to make

29:10

a fucking sandwich if you left the mayonnaise upstairs. The

29:14

mayonnaise would just have to rot up there on my counter. I would

29:16

never go back. Sure does. Forget it. And

29:19

the house had multiple parlor rooms and sitting

29:21

rooms. And now this is where I obviously

29:24

did a mini deep dive and I wanted to ask you

29:26

if you knew the difference between parlor rooms and sitting

29:28

rooms. No.

29:30

I don't. Great.

29:33

I'm looking and I don't think I figured it

29:35

out either. Okay so- Congratulations. We

29:37

both don't know. According to Reddit

29:40

well there's a- there are drawing rooms.

29:42

Do you know what a drawing room is? Because

29:46

my thought is this is a great sketch. I

29:48

know what Amelia Bedelia thought. Yeah.

29:50

Which is drawing. And

29:52

Amelia Bedelia because apparently I think the same thing.

29:54

Drawing the curtains? I don't know. Okay

29:57

so apparently I really fully Amelia

29:59

Bedelia. of Adelie that I thought, oh, this is, it

30:01

must be the sunniest room because that's where you can sketch

30:03

or something. Like it's like the brightest room. So

30:06

this is where you do all your art. Apparently

30:08

it's where you withdraw. Oh,

30:12

okay. Uh-huh. And

30:14

apparently it's for special guests

30:16

only. So it's a small offshoot. It's

30:18

like you're invited into like to have

30:21

a cigar in the drawing room. Yeah.

30:24

So like if you're having a party, you can go up to

30:26

someone who you want to speak more one-on-one

30:28

with and you can take them into the drawing room so

30:30

you can withdraw from the party and have a party. And you

30:32

can be like, I have a McClellan's Batch

30:35

800 Louis the 14th Scotch whiskey if

30:39

you'd like some. You know. I

30:41

have an ice cold nest quick waiting for you if you want

30:43

to call me into the drawing room. Oh

30:46

shit, is it strawberry? It's whatever you want it to be. It's

30:48

imaginary. But yes, you

30:50

got it. Thanks for living in the fantasy with me, Em. Um,

30:53

you know, as long as you don't say banana, you're still

30:55

invited to the drawing room. Well, that was

30:57

my next. I'll just keep my mouth shut then. That's

30:59

right. Okay. So

31:01

a sitting room is a modern living room.

31:04

It was, or I guess it was their version

31:06

of a living room. So it was a leisure space for

31:08

casual guests to sell. Anyone

31:11

could come to the sitting room. Gotcha. And

31:13

people are probably hanging out in the sitting room whether or not guests are

31:15

there. Gotcha. Now, apparently

31:17

there's a whole other room called the morning room

31:19

and not morning like sad because my first I

31:22

was a funeral parlor. I had funeral

31:24

parlors in them, but no,

31:26

this is like a morning, like the morning room in

31:28

the morning. Okay.

31:30

And it was what I thought a drawing room

31:32

was and it is the sunniest room in the

31:34

morning. You're getting up and you're having your tea

31:36

or coffee in the morning room. Okay. I

31:39

don't know the difference between a morning room and a day room. And I

31:41

also know the difference between a day room and a sun room. So

31:44

we've really got to work with, I mean,

31:46

it's like not imagine the percentage

31:48

of people back then who actually had all these

31:50

rooms with so small. You know

31:52

what I mean? Like any of us who lived

31:54

past lives during that time probably never even went

31:57

inside a drawing room because like, we wouldn't have

31:59

had a. So it's just a

32:01

wild thought like now we have to learn about it. We never

32:03

even got to use it Well also like

32:05

how many of these rooms were actually synonymous or

32:07

were they really truly different rooms? I think is

32:10

it like they served different purposes during the day

32:12

like throughout the day So like you would change

32:14

the name of it from like the morning room

32:16

to the parlor or is it like? literally

32:19

a separate room and Also,

32:21

like is there a room is there a house

32:23

out there that had one of each because this place had

32:25

24 rooms And it's only saying

32:27

it had sitting rooms and parlors. You couldn't

32:29

find room for a fucking morning room There

32:31

one other 24 wasn't the funniest Raya the

32:34

20 bedrooms like tell me explain yourself to

32:36

me Yeah, so apparently there's

32:38

a morning room. I don't know how that

32:40

compares to other things Architects

32:42

weigh in. Thank you. Allison's dad

32:44

way in so handyman

32:46

weigh in Father's

32:49

way so There's

32:53

a thing that I said was sitting rooms

32:55

and parlor room So the sitting room like I said is

32:57

a is the old version of a living room, right?

33:00

The parlor room is the one that's a

33:02

symbol of status It's the best room in

33:05

the house and it's where you go with

33:07

guests to make good impressions So it's like

33:09

the like the the the fancy

33:12

Living room like in the 90s when

33:14

people would put like plastic on the couches and you weren't

33:16

allowed to go into that room Like

33:18

the room that a lot of houses had when I was growing

33:20

up where it was like a room Everyone

33:22

had a room. You don't sit in and everyone had a

33:25

room you don't eat in there. Yeah Yeah,

33:27

don't you don't sit in there's a

33:29

parlor although What's so interesting is I guess that

33:31

would also be a sitting room because it

33:33

was it was just a bunch of

33:35

fancy furniture You weren't allowed to sit on so so I guess

33:38

it's not a sitting room No, no, it's a parlor because

33:40

it's for fancy only My

33:42

mom always called it the phone room because that was where

33:44

she said to talk to people on the phone purpose

33:51

Which speaking of which speaking of which There's

33:54

one piece of furniture I want so badly for this

33:56

house that I got and I can't get it in

33:58

this house because we just don't have enough room. But I want

34:01

you to know in a dream world where I could

34:03

expand the square footage, the first thing I would be

34:05

purchasing is a gossip bench. Which

34:07

I'm wondering if they used to be

34:09

in parlors. Gossip benches, like the the

34:12

chairs with a table attached to them so

34:14

like you would put your telephone

34:17

on it. Oh look up gossip benches. I

34:20

mean I'm so in. So

34:23

they were like low benches with a table on

34:25

it and that's where you keep your telephone

34:27

and your phone books. You'd

34:30

put a really antique one. Mm-hmm.

34:33

Oh and she had the rotary phone on it. Yep.

34:37

So I want one very badly just so I have

34:39

a reason to gossip. Oh they're not that big.

34:41

It's just like a teeny

34:43

little thing. Yeah I

34:46

will see how the rest of the house

34:48

pans out first but if I can squeeze

34:51

my way into one I will find it.

34:53

I'm already on Victoria and

34:55

Gossip Bench eBay. They

34:58

also make like modern looking gossip benches which is

35:00

super fun which is also kind of ironic. Oh

35:02

yeah Wayfair sells a lot. But

35:04

um that's all I want and I like to

35:06

think that would be in the

35:09

parlor but maybe not because

35:11

the parlor is classy and the gossip bench wouldn't be

35:13

classy. That depends on what kind of

35:15

gossip. Oh yeah

35:17

you're right about the Queen. You could put

35:19

a gossip bench in there for the Queen. For sure. She

35:22

would look good. Anyway the house

35:24

has a lot of rooms. That's where we got.

35:27

The house also has later gotten addition that had

35:29

a summer kitchen because the two-story kitchen wasn't enough.

35:32

A wash house, a smoke house,

35:34

and a milk cooling room. Bitch

35:36

that's a fridge but okay.

35:39

A milk cooling

35:41

room. That's what I'm gonna call

35:43

my refrigerator for now. It feels like some of

35:45

the Kardashians like have, for like their protein

35:47

powder or something like oh it's just like

35:49

it keeps it dry and it keeps a

35:51

perfect amount of moisture. It's like oh my god.

35:54

Why? It does sound like something Kris Jenner

35:57

would put in her immaculate kitchen. Something like

35:59

unnecessary. So

36:02

that the house was built in 1858

36:04

and this was for Alexander Hanna. He

36:06

was born in the 1820s and he

36:08

became a harness maker, which again blows

36:10

my mind what you could do back

36:12

then. So he was a harness maker.

36:14

He moves to California during the Gold

36:17

Rush for a little bit. He ends

36:19

up owning a ranch. And

36:21

then he moves back to

36:23

Indiana and works for the

36:25

railroad. There's one

36:27

source that said his dad was the president of

36:30

the railroad. That feels similar to me as

36:32

like Call the City. Some

36:39

other sources said that his dad just worked alongside him. So

36:41

I don't know if he worked for his dad or with

36:43

his dad, but he ended up back in Indiana

36:45

at the railroad. A

36:47

year after the house was – or

36:49

the year the house was built, Hanna bought

36:52

the property to build the house. He bought 240

36:54

acres. I

36:58

don't know what you need with that much acreage, but

37:00

okay. He apparently also bought

37:02

this from his dad, so I like to think

37:05

his dad probably actually was the president of a

37:07

whole railroad to be able to own that much land. He

37:11

builds his house. All the brick, fun

37:13

fact, cost only $585 for a 24-room mansion, $585. Oh

37:21

my gosh. He started

37:23

farming again and he started using –

37:25

because remember he co-owned that ranch, so

37:27

now he's built the house. He starts

37:29

farming on this new acreage he just

37:32

bought using, quote, the

37:34

newest scientific techniques in

37:36

agriculture. So obviously I

37:38

was like, what the fuck does that mean? And

37:40

so I decided to look up

37:43

the newest hip happened in

37:45

scientific techniques in 1860s agriculture,

37:48

and this apparently is from

37:52

Thotco. The early

37:54

1860s witnessed a dramatic change

37:56

from hand power to horses,

37:59

which historians characterize as the

38:01

first- American Agricultural Revolution. Okay.

38:04

And then the USDA says that this

38:06

was also when commercial corn and wheat

38:08

belts were developed. Ooh la

38:10

la. And in 1862 the US

38:16

Department of Agriculture, they

38:18

established the Homestead Act

38:21

which gave free land to willing farmers. I

38:23

remember this, I remember this from AP History.

38:27

Yeah, so this was when sharecropping was

38:29

replacing slavery. And Alexander

38:32

was an abolitionist, okay, and

38:35

he allegedly used his basement to

38:38

help hide enslaved people running away.

38:40

Oh wow. He

38:42

actually used his property as allegedly, we

38:44

don't know, there's no documents because I

38:46

guess why would you do it and get

38:49

in trouble. But allegedly

38:51

his house and especially his basement was a

38:53

stop on the Underground Railroad. Okay great. I

38:55

mean if that's true, that's pretty good guys.

38:58

Yeah. So in 1872 he ends

39:00

up marrying a woman named

39:02

Elizabeth. They only have one child, apparently

39:04

her name was also Elizabeth. And

39:07

the legend, if you look up a

39:09

bunch of like sites, most

39:12

of them will tell you that

39:14

the baby was stillborn. But the

39:16

truth is that she was

39:19

born alive but died two days later, I

39:21

think from complications. Is

39:23

the baby Elizabeth? The

39:25

baby, yeah. Oh no.

39:27

So that's the main crux of

39:29

the story is that he got married, only had

39:32

one child and the child didn't survive. So there's

39:35

a family plot that they're all now at,

39:37

including the baby. And Alexander

39:39

was later in the Indiana General

39:42

Assembly. At different times he was

39:44

a postmaster and a sheriff. It's

39:47

giving ADHD. And he also worked

39:51

for again a toll road. So he went from a

39:54

railroad to a toll road. It

39:56

was the first toll road in their area. He

39:58

collected tolls from people passing through. through,

40:00

which I feel like in

40:03

my mind, at the time

40:05

when I don't really think of highways as a thing, in

40:08

the 1800s, I just feel he's standing on

40:10

a dirt road and he just stops people. He's

40:13

like, I was like a nag. He's like, has a nag.

40:15

Yeah. He's like, you owe me.

40:18

For what? Trust me, bro. Trust

40:20

me. Trust me. Trust me, I

40:22

work for somebody else and you need to pay before

40:24

you can go any further on this problem. It

40:27

may or may not be my dad who's the president of the road. Either

40:31

way, you owe me a nickel. Just keep moving.

40:34

Just keep it moving. Keep it moving. So

40:36

fun fact, though, the road that he would collect

40:39

tolls on is now one of the major streets

40:41

in the area. It's still near his house and

40:43

it is called Hannah Avenue. Well, okay. So

40:46

literally his dad might have been the fucking president.

40:48

Who knows? Of all of the roads, maybe.

40:50

Of Hannah Road, yeah. Or maybe all the roads. Who

40:53

knows? So in the 1880s, 1890s,

40:55

Elizabeth and Alexander both die, but

40:58

the house ends up being taken

41:00

up by a jewelry businessman, a

41:04

jeweler, I suppose. And

41:07

this guy's name, his name is Roman, and

41:10

his wife, Marie, they buy the house

41:12

after the Hannahs die. Did you

41:14

say, sorry, what year was that? They

41:16

move in? 1890s. 1890s,

41:20

okay. They end up living

41:22

in this house until the 60s. No,

41:25

sorry, Roman and Marie buy

41:27

it. Their daughter ends up taking over

41:29

the house and she lives there through the 60s. So it's

41:32

in the family through the 60s. And

41:34

the mansion was then vacant, but

41:36

owned by another guy named David.

41:40

And never mind. I just

41:42

want to make a stupid joke. So

41:44

I heard it. I felt it. And I just

41:46

let it happen. And then it was like, never

41:49

mind. It got stopped in its tracks. Yeah,

41:51

it was like, it's time to just keep it going.

41:53

So in 1968, a couple named the O'Bryens, they moved in. I

42:00

think they were, so

42:02

it was owned by the Hannas, then it was

42:04

owned by Roman and his wife, Marie. Then

42:07

it was owned by David, although

42:09

it was vacant at the time. So I think

42:11

the next family, the O'Bryans, rented while David owned

42:13

it. So it gets

42:15

kind of complicated because I kept seeing David and

42:17

then the O'Bryans. And I think- Like there's owners

42:20

who are leasing it out. Yeah, it

42:22

overlapped, but I think it was, I

42:24

think they just rent. So they moved

42:26

in, the O'Bryans did in 68, and

42:29

they opened it as an antique store

42:31

downstairs in the mansion, but then they

42:33

lived upstairs. And they

42:36

were the first ones to actually

42:38

encounter spirits there. Oh! Probably

42:41

because they were messing up the house so much

42:43

by making it into an antique store. Yeah, they're

42:45

like, this is the parlor and the sitting room

42:47

and you're turning it into an antique room. What

42:49

are you doing? They probably messed it all up.

42:52

Yeah. So I feel like, and also

42:54

the house at this point was already like over a hundred

42:56

years old. And now you're in like a

42:59

centurion house that's now an antique store.

43:01

Like talk about the spirits you're bringing in. Oh, a puedufa.

43:05

So the people

43:07

who owned the house, they wanted to get the

43:10

house on the National Registry of Historic

43:12

Places. So they started fundraising.

43:16

They started holding parties there, including murder mystery

43:18

dinners. They started doing like music performances, Easter

43:21

egg hunts. They had flea markets there and

43:23

art shows. And it was like a wedding

43:25

venue. They even had a haunted house in

43:27

the house. Oh my. Which is like so

43:30

meta, a haunted house in a haunted house.

43:33

I mean, places do that. Think about like Waverly

43:35

or those places where it's like already haunted and

43:37

then they're like, or Queen Mary. And then they're

43:39

like, you're totally right. And now we

43:41

have dead bodies hanging from the ceiling. It's like, did

43:45

you need that? It feels like there was already

43:47

enough, but whatever. Yeah, there was already enough corpses

43:49

here. Yeah, yikes. So we're good. But

43:52

for the murder mystery parties,

43:55

excuse me, heartburn. Yikes. Okay.

43:59

The scariest thing I'll. talk about today. For

44:02

the murder mystery parties slash

44:05

Halloween haunted house things, they

44:08

apparently go so far as to build a

44:10

secret passageway into the house. And

44:12

I say this now because a

44:14

lot of people apparently go to this house

44:16

and say like this house is super creepy

44:18

even when the family lived here there was

44:20

a secret passageway and like so just

44:23

to shut it down now the if you

44:25

ever go the secret passageway was intentionally built

44:27

for the creep factor. In addition I see

44:30

okay okay okay that's interesting because I mean

44:32

I guess that could get complicated with the

44:34

Underground Railroad you know rumor or or

44:36

lore about it like maybe there was a

44:39

secret entrance that was used you know I feel

44:41

like those can get conflated really easily if it

44:44

already has like this kind of Underground Railroad

44:46

story behind it so it's good to know

44:48

that that's not part of it. Yeah that's

44:50

oh yeah totally I didn't even think about that

44:53

element. Yeah. I will tell you to you

44:56

already know the answer to

44:58

this there is one thing I'm I

45:01

am very excited about already for the house. For

45:04

your house? Mm-hmm yeah I do yes

45:06

I do know of course I

45:08

know okay M

45:11

and L are creating a

45:13

okay so I'm allowed to talk about it I

45:15

feel like it's like yeah off the record. It's

45:17

not a panic room yeah I'm

45:20

creating a panic room but it's

45:22

actually called it's called a

45:24

spook easy okay and it's this

45:26

it's like this kind of

45:28

little annex off the main hallway and

45:30

what they're gonna do is put a

45:32

secret passageway in the door so that

45:35

you get to enter into the spook

45:37

easy with the secret door a secret

45:39

passageway I'm so excited and apparently their

45:41

contract or their realtor's husband

45:44

already like makes that

45:46

was like his COVID project was learning how

45:49

to make secret entrance secret passageways so they

45:51

were like perfect we're in oh yeah

45:53

he oh man it's uh well because

45:56

I love my apothecary stuff

45:59

Allison's like one big hobby

46:01

is mixology. Yeah. And we both

46:03

love the Halloween vibe. And honestly,

46:06

if we could pick a dream house,

46:08

we would have gotten the creepiest Victorian

46:11

mansion possible. That's the dream. And

46:13

so since we live in Los Angeles, tough

46:15

house to find. Yeah, that's why I moved halfway

46:17

across this damn country. I was like, I can't

46:19

give up on my dreams. Well,

46:22

so now we're like, let's compromise

46:24

on reality. And

46:26

we'll make one room look like you're inside

46:28

of spooky Victorian mansion. And it will

46:30

be our apothecary bar. And like, you

46:32

guys, that'll be perfect. You guys are

46:35

so good at like, you

46:37

especially with your prop history, just so good

46:39

at designing everything to

46:41

be just right. I'm really excited about it.

46:44

It's also somehow being shared as Allison's office. So we're

46:47

going to have to figure out like, certain tracks or

46:49

something. So it gets hidden. Because right now, if she

46:51

were to go on Zoom and be inside a

46:53

haunted bar, it will look not great for her

46:55

corporate job. As Al said, it just

46:57

blur the background. It's easy. That's why that exists.

47:00

So many people live in studios in New York and

47:03

stuff and have things

47:05

in the background. Yeah. So anyway, yes.

47:08

I'm very excited about my secret passageway.

47:11

And I'm very excited about retiring

47:13

to the spooky Z every night. I

47:16

can't wait till you walk in and I'm in there. I'm like, I

47:18

needed a drink. Well, we're trying to turn it

47:20

into a mini tavern with like a whole tabletop

47:22

and chair so that way people can come be

47:25

there. I'm going to be there. I

47:27

know. See you soon. I know.

47:31

So anyway,

47:33

oh yeah, secret passageway. So people think it

47:35

has a creepier origin to it than it does. And that's

47:38

not the case. But

47:40

so many people have said that as

47:43

they're constantly coming through, that activity

47:46

has increased ever since they started doing

47:48

renovations for the Halloween space

47:50

and the murder mysteries. And

47:52

in 1878, the

47:55

owners finally got what they wanted and put the house

47:57

as a historical landmark.

48:00

and put on the registry. And

48:03

in 1980, the mansion was also used

48:05

as a haunted house for preservation funding,

48:08

and through that paranormal activity

48:10

also grew. So I think

48:13

it's just, I don't know if it's like mocking the

48:15

house or just so many people are coming in with

48:17

like vulnerable, you know, their

48:19

crazy kind of scaredy cats, and that's allowing

48:21

things to open up. And probably like stirring

48:23

stuff up, just even asking

48:25

it to come out and asking to interact

48:28

with it and stuff. And

48:30

the Hannah house is now also rented

48:32

out for social events, I guess, or it was for

48:34

a time period. Now investigators

48:37

are some of the main tourists here.

48:39

The owner has even hosted events here

48:41

on national paranormal day, where like a

48:43

bunch of investigators all come out at

48:45

once. Ooh,

48:48

and investigators can actually book the

48:50

location and the house offers haunted

48:52

tours, overnight investigations. At one

48:54

point, I don't know if it

48:57

was because they were so

48:59

desperately trying to bring people in so

49:02

that way they could get more funding, but they

49:04

like wanted people to ghost hunt here, and they

49:06

were trying to like sell it to people as,

49:08

if you go ghost hunting here, we will give

49:10

you free pizza. Oh, okay. I

49:12

mean, fuck it, I'm in. I

49:15

mean, if you've got a summer kitchen and a two-story kitchen,

49:17

why not throw the pizza down in there?

49:21

Summer kitchen. Do you know

49:23

how much, talk about Nesquik, that milk cooling

49:26

room is probably just full of Nesquik strawberry

49:28

and banana, just for me. Oh,

49:30

you know what? I hope it's being put

49:32

to use. I hope it was put to use in

49:34

good ways other than just cooling milk. You

49:37

gotta get adventurous if you're gonna build a whole room

49:39

for cooling. You know, you gotta be able to, you

49:42

gotta multipurpose that, you know? I

49:44

would also suggest that if it's gonna be hot

49:47

there every now and then, maybe it's just a

49:49

human cooling room. It feels like- Oh, good call.

49:52

You could just hang out in there. If they

49:54

didn't have air conditioning back then, they only had one

49:56

cold room. Very good point. Like,

49:58

oh, and milk happens to be. here. That's what

50:00

I would think. Just ignore the milk because

50:03

that's not part of it. Yeah, it

50:05

would be air-conditioned rooms featuring milk.

50:08

Damn. That's a dream room for me. That

50:10

is actually, I kind of hate it, but

50:12

good for you. And

50:15

I've never seen a place like desperately

50:18

want people to go go something that they'll also

50:20

fund pizza for you. That sounds like a

50:22

Chuck E. Cheese event for adults if I

50:24

ever seen one. It sure does. My dream.

50:26

Now here's a fun thing that I put

50:29

in there. Pastem was wise because

50:31

I have a fun fact in here that says, fun

50:35

fact about the Hannah House,

50:37

the first ever horror comedy

50:39

soap opera was shot here.

50:41

What? It was

50:43

called Creeporia. It is

50:46

on YouTube. It

50:48

is bad. What? It is

50:50

not good. What is? When was it from?

50:52

I don't

50:55

know when it was from, but it feels like early 2000s. And

50:59

allegedly it was developed by the

51:01

same guy. His name is John

51:03

Semper Jr. This guy

51:05

like wrote for shows like Smurfs

51:07

and Fraggle Rock and Rugrats and

51:10

Spider-Man and DuckTales. So

51:12

like he had a really good resume and then I

51:14

saw Creeporia and now I'm kind of like judging like

51:16

what he was about. He flew too

51:19

close to the sun. I feel

51:21

like maybe his own kids were in it and he was

51:23

like, oh, I guess I'll help. And it's just

51:26

not good. If you want something

51:28

to cringe at, you can go

51:30

watch Creeporia. Another fun

51:32

fact is one of the portraits above

51:34

the mantle here is a post-mortem

51:36

portrait of a child. Oh dear.

51:38

Oh dear. Her name is Hazel.

51:41

She was apparently related to some

51:43

of the owners of the house.

51:45

So she's not even like someone

51:48

who died in this house. They just, the

51:50

owners happened to fight it in their own

51:52

attic and then thought it was creepy enough

51:54

to just put in this haunted house. So

51:56

and apparently her eyes had to be drawn

51:58

into the portrait. Because

52:00

they were closed And

52:05

People say her eyes that were drawn into

52:07

the portrait follow you when you walk around

52:09

the room So that's the first potential ghost

52:11

thing that happens there or people are reading

52:13

into it as For

52:16

that because hazel did not die in the house,

52:18

but the people who did die in the house

52:20

one was Alexander Hannah himself He apparently had a

52:23

heart attack in the house then

52:25

Marie who was the one of the? People

52:28

who owned the house after him and

52:31

again the Hannah's baby died

52:33

complications in the house Yeah,

52:37

they were the main deaths or

52:40

the main deaths here are when it was part of

52:42

the Underground Railroad So

52:44

you've got those three and then the

52:46

main deaths during the Underground Railroad where

52:49

allegedly seven to eight they

52:51

think their best guess is

52:53

seven to eight enslaved people were hiding in the

52:55

basement one night and Someone

52:58

tipped over the oil lamp and

53:01

the basement caught on fire and they were stuck in

53:03

the basement They

53:07

were either trapped or they were too

53:09

afraid to run But

53:12

they all died and somehow it was actually

53:14

from smoke inhalation and not the fire itself

53:17

I think I don't even ever

53:19

really realize how often smoke inhalation is

53:21

actually the cause of death. Yeah And

53:25

so their best guess is just under 10 people When

53:29

Alexander came back to check on them, they

53:31

assume he was either at work or in

53:33

his house and he just didn't know What's

53:35

going on? When

53:38

it happened and he saw all these people

53:40

had passed in his home because they were

53:42

runaways He couldn't tell anyone what happened

53:44

And so part of the legend is that he ended

53:46

up burying what was left of them in that

53:48

basement where they died. Oh And

53:52

now the basement is Concrete it

53:55

over so there's no way to

53:57

know I guess and there's still no

53:59

document penetrating radar. I

54:01

guess so. But there's no, unless

54:04

they do that, there's no documentation of

54:06

this. It's just a story and not

54:09

that you hope that that happened to people, but

54:11

you hope no one's faking that story either. Yeah,

54:13

it's almost like I hope it's not real

54:15

because of a horrifying tale. Like

54:18

yeah, maybe it just got blown out of

54:20

proportion from another story or it just like

54:22

built up some sort of lore over time.

54:24

I don't know. That's sad. The

54:27

only evidence that does exist is that

54:29

near the property there are partially collapsed

54:31

tunnels that nobody originally knew about and

54:33

so it's suggested that there really was

54:35

an underground railroad pass per like

54:37

a point. Oh

54:39

wow, okay. Through that

54:41

area. So we don't know

54:43

but it's told

54:46

enough that it's become part of the

54:49

house's legend. And now just

54:51

for the ghosts, people

54:54

here have heard huge crashes like breaking

54:56

glass in the basement and when they

54:58

check nothing has happened. I should mention

55:00

too some of the jars in the

55:02

basement because there's a whole wall that

55:04

still looks like someone is canning goods

55:06

there. And they're from like one

55:10

of the original owners of the house. Like they're, and they've

55:13

also passed away. So like their own canned

55:16

goods are still just sitting on

55:19

the shelves. Whoa. Yeah,

55:21

so anyway people hear huge

55:23

crashes like breaking glass on there and then

55:25

there's nothing that has gone amiss. Civilware will

55:27

fly across the room. Pictures

55:30

will swing on the walls by themselves.

55:32

Doors will open and close even when

55:34

they're locked or

55:36

when they're left locked. The O'Briens who

55:38

created the, they lived there and also turned

55:40

it into an antique museum or an antique

55:42

shop. Their daughter I

55:45

guess moved in at one point or

55:47

the family moved in and brought their daughter when she was very

55:50

young and she would talk to somebody

55:52

on the stairs and she said that

55:54

he looked grandfatherly and called him dad.

55:58

Like in front of her own dad. But

56:03

so she would just talk and then I hope

56:05

they just never brought that kid back to the

56:07

house. I hope so also. People

56:11

hear voices and footsteps and I feel like I always

56:13

name it an episode where I don't say voices and

56:15

footsteps at some point. But people also hear rustling clothing

56:17

as if someone is moving around the house. People

56:22

feel cold drafts. Other

56:25

doors and windows are seen opening and closing. People

56:27

hear loud scratching from inside the walls.

56:31

Electronics will turn on and off by themselves including

56:33

the stereo which has been known to play music.

56:37

And then I guess the ghosts don't like the music and

56:39

they just pull the fucking cord. They're like, no music.

56:42

Yeah, they're like, where's my phone? Where's

56:44

my old timey... If you're

56:47

not dancing to the Charleston, it's

56:49

not music. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You

56:51

get it. People

56:53

smell cigar smoke in some of the rooms

56:55

and they smell roses and others, which is

56:57

interesting because it's kind of all

57:00

coming back to me. As I was

57:02

looking up the sitting rooms versus parlor rooms thing, it

57:04

would have made sense for the house to

57:06

have a parlor room for men and a

57:09

parlor room for women because they apparently didn't

57:11

actually... Men and women

57:13

didn't sit in the same rooms together. Yeah.

57:16

So if some rooms smell like cigars

57:18

and some smell like roses, it could be

57:20

because they were separate parlor rooms. Some

57:24

people have also smelled candles,

57:27

but here's the thing. They

57:29

say they smell candles, but really they smell

57:31

candles being blown out like sulfur. And

57:35

they also smell rotting

57:37

flesh, which

57:39

is very demonic. My guess with the candles

57:41

and sulfur is that they're actually smelling the

57:43

fire. Oh, Jesus Christ.

57:48

Because of this rotting flesh smell, I

57:50

feel like this is something I would

57:52

throw in as a true or false,

57:54

and it would obviously be a throwaway false.

57:57

But apparently this is an actual factoid of the house.

58:00

Because it's so known for smelling like

58:02

rotting flesh, there's a rumor

58:04

that this house is nicknamed throughout town

58:06

as the house that reeks of death.

58:08

Whoa, wait, there's a rumor that it's

58:10

called that? I'm saying

58:12

it's a rumor because I saw it on actually weirdly

58:15

too many sources, but I still can't really

58:17

believe it. So I'm like, okay, it has

58:19

to be a rumor. That can't be real.

58:21

No, that's probably, they call it that. Okay,

58:24

well then the house is called, People call things weird or words. The

58:27

house is called the house that reeks of

58:29

death. Jesus. Like, let

58:31

me see what happens if I, have you ever just

58:33

typed in the house that reeks of what? Death? Of

58:36

death. It said cat pee. Is that what you want

58:38

to look up? I'm like, oh,

58:40

maybe. Maybe not. Oh,

58:43

okay, maybe not. It's not coming up. Type

58:46

in Indiana. Indiana though. No,

58:49

so apparently I could not find anything about it.

58:51

So who knows? Oh, okay. Well, you might be on

58:54

this. Now I'm going to go back to saying rumor.

58:56

Yeah, I think you're onto something. So one

58:58

news crew came out and the

59:01

staff in the dining room, they

59:03

said, wouldn't it be wild if

59:05

the camera crew caught the

59:08

room chandelier swinging? Wouldn't

59:10

it be wild? While you're in here, wouldn't it

59:12

be so silly if you saw the chandelier swinging?

59:14

They'll see. And then it happened

59:17

as soon as they said it. They were like,

59:19

ooh, we should try that more often. Someone's listening.

59:21

Wouldn't it be so silly if, Wouldn't it be so silly? There

59:24

was like a demonic possession. Wouldn't that be so

59:26

silly? Crews

59:29

also, oh, the same crew, sorry.

59:31

The same news crew that came in and got the

59:33

chandelier. They also witnessed a portrait lifting off the nail

59:36

on the wall and fall to the ground. You and

59:38

I can attest to that. We have seen that as

59:40

well. We certainly have. And

59:42

the attic is apparently the

59:44

most haunted. Some

59:49

people have actual trouble getting in

59:52

there without feeling really sick. And

59:54

like they shouldn't be there. Some

59:56

say the darkest energy in the house is

59:59

up there. And. shadows will peek around

1:00:01

corners at you. Some of the

1:00:03

staff is just afraid to go to the attic. They won't even

1:00:06

mess with it. And what's weird is there

1:00:08

isn't any anything

1:00:10

that's happened historically up there. So we don't

1:00:12

know what what happens for

1:00:14

there to be such a dark energy up

1:00:16

in the attic. In

1:00:19

the basement, there are apparitions of

1:00:21

enslaved people, shadows hiding, which

1:00:23

is so sad. It's just shadows hiding as if

1:00:25

they're like, they still think they have to hide.

1:00:30

And a woman, presumably Elizabeth, his

1:00:32

wife, is seen looking out the

1:00:34

window and sometimes pacing the porch. People have said that

1:00:36

they're just standing on the stairs and looking out the

1:00:38

windows. And there's just a woman hanging out on the

1:00:40

porch and they assume she's just another person who's

1:00:42

visiting the house. People

1:00:44

driving by have claimed to see a man

1:00:46

walking around in the front yard and sometimes

1:00:49

even riding a pony. And it's just like

1:00:51

clear as day, I guess.

1:00:53

And they're like, Oh,

1:00:55

look at that man riding a pony in the

1:00:57

front yard. And it's actually a operation of

1:00:59

a pony too. I know.

1:01:01

What does the pony do? He should be a fun.

1:01:04

Well, I hope it's just a re what do

1:01:06

you call it residual like maybe image, you know,

1:01:08

that's what I tell myself. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:11

Okay, that's true. That's true. On

1:01:13

the stairs, people have seen a man

1:01:15

who we think is Alexander. He's in

1:01:17

old fashion, in an old fashioned

1:01:19

black suit. And

1:01:22

he has is sporting some

1:01:24

really thick mutton chops. And

1:01:27

he fades away on the stairs after you

1:01:30

see him. Now I have bolded the word

1:01:32

mutton chops, which tells me in my notes,

1:01:34

I have something to say. Oh, I can't wait.

1:01:36

Oh, here we go. Okay,

1:01:39

I just I'd love pastime because

1:01:41

he says, note, note

1:01:44

for mutton traps, tried to look at

1:01:46

history of it found nothing but did

1:01:48

find fun fact about sideburns. Yeah, burn

1:01:51

sides, general burn sides. Right?

1:01:53

Okay, well, that was the fun. Sorry. I thought we

1:01:56

all learned that history class. I thought I thought I

1:01:58

was getting an A plus on my test. Well

1:02:01

you are the teacher's pet currently where everyone's

1:02:03

like, boo, we didn't even get to hear

1:02:05

the prom. I'm sorry you can cut it.

1:02:08

No no no but yes

1:02:10

apparently side burns were originally

1:02:12

called Burn Sides because of

1:02:14

the Union General

1:02:17

Ambrose Burnside and he wore

1:02:19

that as a hairstyle. A

1:02:21

unique facial hairstyle yeah. So yes there's my

1:02:23

fun fact, there's your fun fact. So

1:02:26

when the O'Brien's lived here they saw

1:02:28

Alexander standing on the stairs also he

1:02:31

had his mutton chops and he would

1:02:33

just walk around upstairs he'd like just

1:02:35

kind of having his own day and

1:02:38

they would also hear voices so often

1:02:40

that they just started yelling at him

1:02:42

to stop. They were like

1:02:44

you're pissing me off. They would hear

1:02:46

moaning, whispering, mumbled voices from empty rooms

1:02:49

like apparently so loudly they couldn't even

1:02:51

watch TV at night and that's what

1:02:53

really set them off. Well that's infuriating.

1:02:56

I know. People have gotten

1:02:58

grabbed and pushed they have gotten pictures of

1:03:00

clear as day figures which actually I watched

1:03:02

a YouTube video of one of the tour

1:03:05

guides there and she showed a picture of

1:03:07

her phone where it was by

1:03:09

the the secret passageway

1:03:12

and there's a full-ass person in the picture

1:03:14

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the whole house has welcoming vibes

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in the main areas at least, and it's said

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that in the main areas it's more feminine energy,

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but the basement and the attic feel

1:06:20

very different. They feel very intense. There

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was a movie called Witch House, which filmed

1:06:26

here, and the crew kept hearing kids running

1:06:28

around upstairs and they thought someone

1:06:31

brought their kid to work, I guess, so they kept

1:06:33

saying whoever brought the kids, they need to leave.

1:06:36

Shut up. I brought kids. But

1:06:38

imagine being the sound guy and your whole job is to

1:06:40

get clear audio. Oh. You just keep hearing –

1:06:42

because, I mean, if you have the big headphones on and

1:06:44

you're listening in real time, you're probably hearing EVPs in real

1:06:46

time. Oh. And nobody else

1:06:48

can hear the footsteps, and he's just like, can you get

1:06:50

these kids out of here? And everyone's like, what the fuck

1:06:53

are you talking about? What are

1:06:55

you talking about? Women are heard

1:06:57

humming in the halls, and

1:06:59

when you ask for it to happen again, people

1:07:01

have gotten knocking on the walls. There

1:07:04

are EVPs such as – this is just –

1:07:07

the EVPs impress me. I feel like all

1:07:09

of them are like full-sentence. Really long. Yeah.

1:07:12

So one of the EVPs people have

1:07:14

gotten is, can you get – can

1:07:16

you get out of here? Yikes. Okay. Another

1:07:21

one is, help me, which is so fun.

1:07:24

Another one is, hey, Rob. And Rob apparently used to

1:07:26

work at the house. Hey, Rob. Hey,

1:07:30

Rob. And then

1:07:32

another one is, can't you feel me?

1:07:34

Ew. Ew. Ew. That means

1:07:36

they're up close. Oh, no. That means

1:07:38

they want you to feel them, too. No, no, no, no, no.

1:07:44

On the show – okay. Oh, this is

1:07:46

– I did have a note about this,

1:07:48

too. The Paranormal Files is

1:07:50

a show on YouTube. They

1:07:53

did a pretty incredible

1:07:55

job at this house, but it was a

1:07:57

two-hour YouTube show. I did not know that.

1:08:00

watch all of it. I only watched a chunk of it but

1:08:02

the chunk that I watched was really

1:08:04

good. If you are someone who was like cleaning today

1:08:06

or if you've got like chores going on in the

1:08:08

background you want to put something on on your

1:08:11

TV watch the Hannah

1:08:13

House episode of the paranormal files on YouTube

1:08:15

because it's it's two hours of really good

1:08:18

stuff. Oh I'm gonna watch that too.

1:08:20

It's equipment was freaking out the entire

1:08:22

time almost all of it came through

1:08:25

from intelligent responses their

1:08:27

ovulus said Manitoba

1:08:29

which they...

1:08:32

Manitoba? So one

1:08:34

of the next stops I guess on the Underground Railroad

1:08:36

after this was getting to Canada. Whoa!

1:08:40

The obvious also said we live in

1:08:42

the shadows. Oh it

1:08:45

also said there's evil

1:08:47

everywhere. Oh they

1:08:49

got a lot of yes or no responses

1:08:51

from the REM pod

1:08:53

and the ovulus even

1:08:55

said yes a lot like just openly yes

1:08:57

to their question. Oh! When

1:08:59

they asked were there ever enslaved people in

1:09:02

the house they got on

1:09:04

the ovulus the word agree and

1:09:06

then they have this thing called a dead

1:09:08

bell where if you it's like an

1:09:10

EMF but it's like an EMF machine

1:09:12

but instead of spiking like a instead

1:09:15

of having like a bright lights go up anytime

1:09:17

that the machine says yes it is it looks

1:09:19

like a literal bell and it will ding in

1:09:22

response to you. Like a bell on like a

1:09:24

countertop or like a swing bell?

1:09:27

Like a like a like you're at a

1:09:29

concierge of a hotel and you're obnoxious

1:09:31

and you're like I need customer

1:09:33

service okay got it. Yeah so that

1:09:36

it'll go off as yes or no responses and

1:09:38

they were able to get a lot of response

1:09:40

from the bell they

1:09:43

got word they got phrases such as people

1:09:45

can't hear me little

1:09:48

boy around you there

1:09:50

are children around here absolutely

1:09:54

and then they

1:09:56

said can you ring the bell if the person in the

1:09:58

attic will hurt us and the bell

1:10:00

rings. And then the ovula said look

1:10:02

above. No! No thank

1:10:04

you. They were right under the

1:10:06

attic. No thank you. Then two different

1:10:09

devices at the same time said brother and sibling

1:10:11

to kind of like confirm that the machines were

1:10:13

getting the same energy

1:10:15

or the same kind of

1:10:17

vibe. Yeah. They were trying to figure

1:10:19

out someone's name and then they

1:10:22

got the words fill up and

1:10:24

so they think that maybe they were trying to

1:10:26

use the word fill end up in the machine

1:10:28

to say Philip. Oh. And when they said oh

1:10:30

maybe his name's Philip then the ovula said jackpot.

1:10:33

Whoa jackpot! That's

1:10:35

pretty good. Then they

1:10:37

asked and then they were like maybe his

1:10:39

name was jackpot. And

1:10:42

it was like no you've gone too far.

1:10:45

Then they asked is it an angry

1:10:47

man that's upstairs and the ovula said

1:10:49

untrue. And then they said

1:10:51

ring the bell if it's an angry woman and then the

1:10:53

bell rings. Then they

1:10:55

got the phrases hide and

1:10:58

you're being followed. Oh

1:11:00

my god. It's almost hard to tell like

1:11:02

what's like with the history

1:11:05

like hide. Yeah it's like hide and you're actively being

1:11:07

followed. Yes.

1:11:11

It's like hide you're being followed and you're on

1:11:13

the underground river. Right is it that or is

1:11:15

it like currently you're in danger as you stand

1:11:17

there. Yeah yikes. So anyway

1:11:20

that was that was just a very small chunk

1:11:22

of a two-hour show I did not

1:11:24

watch all of. So if you want to there's a

1:11:26

shout out to Paranormal Files. Yeah maybe we can I

1:11:29

texted it to the group so maybe we can put in the

1:11:31

show notes and that way I can also remember to watch it.

1:11:34

Oh good. Well anyway that

1:11:36

is the the Hannah house. That was so good. And

1:11:38

wait can you remind me what town it's in in

1:11:40

Indiana? I don't know

1:11:43

where in Indiana. I'm curious. I

1:11:45

should know. Hannah house. I can just see. Oh

1:11:48

okay sorry that's also the name

1:11:50

of like a treatment facility. Indiana.

1:11:53

Oh it looks like it is in oh

1:11:56

Indianapolis. Oh that's not

1:11:58

far from me. You

1:12:00

know, Indianapolis is one of the only places

1:12:02

on tour I didn't get to spend a

1:12:04

lot of time and oh wow, Looks

1:12:06

like way our to go know. Would

1:12:09

you ever want to true and investigation their. Sure,

1:12:13

Yeah, Is there anywhere you're like? absolutely

1:12:15

not. I'm

1:12:18

just curious. That's

1:12:20

a good question and and I'm decided,

1:12:22

now's the time to ask that but

1:12:24

know we're still learning about Hiv. I.

1:12:27

Know I'm in Nyc after all these years. Where

1:12:30

do I not allowed as. I

1:12:33

do like getting com the rain. oh did

1:12:35

I like version I like version pina coladas

1:12:37

and I like run. Oh

1:12:40

up for any on your

1:12:42

definition. I'm right here. I'm

1:12:44

sorry that was so inappropriate.

1:12:48

Ah, Intrusive thoughts. See when

1:12:50

again I'm. Where. Is replace

1:12:52

you wouldn't go. I feel like I. Maybe

1:12:55

some like com very demonic place that

1:12:57

is like. People. Get

1:12:59

possess. They're all the time, you know? Like. That

1:13:03

kind of freaks me only where. People leave and say

1:13:05

oh it followed us home and it ruined my life

1:13:07

like I'm like i don't think I wanna play that game

1:13:09

you know I mean that's like a fair one. the

1:13:11

yeah yeah I know anything like that. like exactly as as

1:13:13

like I don't ever want to go back. I'm terrified

1:13:15

which I feel like enough them as he says for. For.

1:13:18

Clout or whatever. But if it were like

1:13:20

a real spot where investigators are like oh

1:13:22

no it damaged my life's pretty badly I

1:13:24

think I believe young now api good Zach

1:13:26

that thing is is actually like a good

1:13:29

beginner amateur hour yeah he is he's so

1:13:31

he gives us such like the vibe of

1:13:33

like i'm not a flood of guys if

1:13:35

he is actually afraid and like doesn't say

1:13:37

i don't want to go back just to

1:13:40

go back and like make it a whole

1:13:42

spectacle right of he really never goes behind

1:13:44

just silently I would idling yeah it's almost

1:13:46

like scary of he doesn't. Make it a

1:13:48

big thing. This was like nope, we're not even gonna

1:13:50

addresses. Yeah. Like he he actually in

1:13:53

Indiana. I think one of the houses that

1:13:55

he say never go back to was on.

1:13:57

oh yes yes in Gary that the. The.

1:13:59

Aim and. How yeah I was like

1:14:01

a in gear like the.the demon. House has

1:14:03

called the Demon House and. That was why

1:14:05

he had to start wearing glasses because

1:14:07

something like flew across room and hit

1:14:09

him in the head knows I settle

1:14:11

for like I thank everyone because of

1:14:13

the most obnoxious glasses that it's like

1:14:16

okay he went from i don't wear

1:14:18

glasses to. Look at my

1:14:20

glass, you like you can basically defined

1:14:22

me by my glasses. Now political it

1:14:24

as his rocket. Okay. Wow

1:14:27

yeah I I I think if there was a place

1:14:29

that other people are just like. Don't. Even

1:14:31

fucking try it now. I mean like. I

1:14:34

think about on. The.

1:14:37

Said am spell rectory that's nearby you.

1:14:39

Eric Fehr was like a lot of

1:14:41

possession. Such a rare like. People.

1:14:43

Were like standing and corners like of the Blair

1:14:45

Witch Proud Out and then and then a little

1:14:47

fucker. The races were to reveal the in the

1:14:49

corner and they would stand there for like they

1:14:51

would lose hours of time and like they were

1:14:53

just stand there and or let it. Stay.

1:14:56

Would go to the to the owner once

1:14:58

I think like went over to I checked

1:15:00

the mail and anima plan on going inside

1:15:02

and then like six hours later his life

1:15:04

was like where the fuck does his own

1:15:06

know into the house and found him to

1:15:08

sitting in the basement silently okay suck eggs

1:15:11

yeah that's why I actually got i'm like

1:15:13

man I am a sinner not. And.

1:15:15

Then he tried to turn us into an

1:15:17

air Bnb afterwards. Feel like that's like to

1:15:19

you put out a release? Are you just

1:15:21

hoping to not tell anybody? I will? Only

1:15:23

I will take it upon me to stand

1:15:25

right off the property one centimeter up the

1:15:27

property and tell anyone coming to look at

1:15:29

those air. B Beer This apartment old and like.

1:15:32

To. Let me know. Here's a pamphlet. This is

1:15:34

what you're getting into. Has a layup as.

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A rat. So. Am

1:15:39

I have one of those cases

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for you today that. Drives.

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and I carried on journey to fall season.

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an assault see as well and it's my

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little seltzer. When I was gonna say what's

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your the healthy of choice of a wandering

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in my cycling frog Wild cherry. Thc.

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Seltzer and I want to give a heads

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up to some people. Get Some people get

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all Ansi that I'm like, oh is high

1:16:12

and the episodes and I'm like, I think

1:16:14

one time I mention the i will sometimes

1:16:16

take like half an edible itself, not during

1:16:18

the recording really, but just in general and

1:16:21

then people have started translating. That's like Christine's

1:16:23

always high in the podcast has changed and

1:16:25

I'm like no, I'm just my normal way

1:16:27

of being I'm and sometimes it probably sounds

1:16:29

like I'm high probably before ever even tried

1:16:32

we'd before. So don't worry that yes, I'm

1:16:34

entering this. It's. Very low thc and

1:16:36

it'll probably I'm won't kick in any

1:16:38

way till the end of the upset.

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So don't expect an anime. Friday's doesn't

1:16:42

tie for my dad to come over

1:16:44

cause he's visiting and I'm like okay.

1:16:48

Asshole. and I don't. I don't. I don't know how

1:16:50

to entertain you have. A

1:16:52

man I would not have air. I get I have a

1:16:54

be like a parling the whole. Living Room I don't

1:16:56

know what it's called. I have a living

1:16:58

room to keep you have fears is a

1:17:01

years I think we're supposed to parlor but

1:17:03

has become a sitting room? Yes Oh okay

1:17:05

wait so which what's the parlor is that

1:17:07

the fancy parlors like the fancy one were

1:17:09

like people only like really? Get

1:17:11

up to your yet front door and

1:17:14

get linens. traditionally. A

1:17:16

parlor. Like. It was meant to

1:17:18

be like just really fancy victorian. Furniture and

1:17:20

like you weren't supposed to sit next to the

1:17:22

has this like yeah crazy fireplace and Seeley it's

1:17:24

right. meant to be like the show off the

1:17:27

Park. Yeah. And. Then we have like when like

1:17:29

the tv would like you pushes her. he actually did

1:17:31

the lay around and was secretly it was sitting room

1:17:33

for the sitting room. Exactly. Yeah.

1:17:37

You're at suddenly become. A sitting room because

1:17:39

I feel like any to make over to your house.

1:17:41

Thought for him gets you switch it on. He got

1:17:43

it when it's on the other room but it's nobody.

1:17:45

but it's only oh, but it's only when people come

1:17:47

over like got. we never sent in there unless it's

1:17:49

like visitors are there. Which. Is interesting

1:17:51

Yeah, but it's we're that you have.

1:17:53

Do you have? I'm. Really?

1:17:57

Lean. Then see whether it's on purpose or not.

1:17:59

You really? lean. Into the let's hang out

1:18:01

in the sitting room and or yeah, well and

1:18:03

it's also Leon His office. Actually, I'll be honest,

1:18:05

she called it Leon His Office and so are

1:18:07

She got her office. So I'm essentially for like

1:18:10

like will literally dated a be like oh, have

1:18:12

you seen my I Pad yards and Leon His

1:18:14

Office like we literally call it that My mom

1:18:16

said at one time and then Leona was like

1:18:19

yeah, That's my office so

1:18:21

I think we like to hang out

1:18:23

there. I mean. I. Do either

1:18:25

when people come over because it's like prettier

1:18:27

and usually cleaner. could we don't hang out

1:18:29

there? So I'm like and it's funnier and

1:18:31

I'm like let's sit here. it's such a

1:18:33

prettier spot. It is also the day room

1:18:35

yeah exactly and over them out her the

1:18:37

houses as like dog slobber everywhere and toddler

1:18:39

crumbs and so it's It's commonly I'm where

1:18:41

I nap when were you nasa a cleaner

1:18:44

spot so I think that's usually wife anyway.

1:18:46

sorry so. I know where I'm

1:18:48

not that for Emma I was just gonna

1:18:50

say era era You are the only person

1:18:52

I know. Like

1:18:54

our our generation or like my

1:18:56

like my mom's friends. A

1:18:58

You're the only person I know who like encourages

1:19:00

that we sit in the room without a Tv.

1:19:03

Well. I like

1:19:05

every time I go over might because. I think just

1:19:07

out of like reflex now. My father be a were gonna

1:19:09

go hang out like pissing on the to you know and and

1:19:11

twenty with a real. Never did that like growing

1:19:13

up I guess. I feel like

1:19:15

that's what normal families do. Liquid Blazers parents come over. They

1:19:17

always like turn the T V on and I'm like what

1:19:20

are you watching their like I don't know. And.

1:19:22

I'm like was like how we watch ghosts of enters

1:19:24

but we don't really want ice Rebels as so hard

1:19:26

to them like will. Then I feel like I have

1:19:28

to pay attention like I don't know, I'm and mentally

1:19:30

ill In case you're I think it's I think it's

1:19:33

intentionally to block out any awkward silences that these days

1:19:35

it's like a wolf we put it as a thing

1:19:37

on than. Once as an awkward silence we can just would.

1:19:40

Defer to the show and be like oh here's a com

1:19:42

and I know what the show. Only put it that

1:19:44

way. sounds great although. I

1:19:46

thought I was about your own need to look at late

1:19:48

for me Now and on I'm. A baby

1:19:50

at or know? Anyway, tell me a horrible thing

1:19:52

that I'm going to get mad about. Great.

1:19:55

So this is the disappearance of the

1:19:57

Klein Brothers, and it takes place in

1:19:59

the. Fifty. So.

1:20:01

We're going back in time a little

1:20:04

bit. The years Nineteen Fifty One and

1:20:06

Elizabeth, also known as Betty Klein and

1:20:08

her husband Cats Klein live together neighborhood

1:20:10

called Hawthorne on the North Side of

1:20:12

Minneapolis, Minnesota. They were raising four sons

1:20:15

together: nine year old Gordon, eight year

1:20:17

old Kennedy Jr, six year old David

1:20:19

and four year old Daniel. All.

1:20:22

Four boys were best friends. adults described

1:20:24

them as inseparable. Other three youngest especially

1:20:27

looked up to Gordon who was nine

1:20:29

years old and he almost took on

1:20:31

like that older sibling nurturing role which

1:20:34

is so sweet to think of like.

1:20:36

For little boys in the oldest is like nurturing

1:20:38

for the I youngest said sick. that's adorable if

1:20:40

you need to get a fifteen because I feel

1:20:43

like there's always that kind of a deal with

1:20:45

boys. Have to be tough said. You.

1:20:47

Know yeah, beat each other. A slight is like.

1:20:50

The. Others I eat sadly especially miss as

1:20:52

the least the last thing you think

1:20:54

I would Boys. As like nurture? I

1:20:56

know, I know. So the of I made

1:20:58

my heart kind of kind of fall. He.

1:21:03

Was Gordon the oldest was a very

1:21:05

responsible child and Kenneth their father, worked

1:21:07

that Northland Very company which provided have

1:21:09

family a pretty stable home and income,

1:21:11

and he was also very close at

1:21:13

the family. He made sure to spend

1:21:15

time with them. he taught his sons

1:21:18

to fish, for example, and Betty meanwhile

1:21:20

did the classic fifties you know role.

1:21:22

She stayed home raising the boys and

1:21:24

she was actually pregnant with her fifth

1:21:26

child at this point. and when she

1:21:28

was busy, she could count on Gordon

1:21:30

to keep an eye on the younger.

1:21:33

Younger boys. Because he was as good at beating

1:21:35

the responsible older brother. He. Often

1:21:37

took his younger brothers to Fairview which

1:21:39

was a park that was this a

1:21:41

few blocks away from the house Many

1:21:43

children in the neighborhood spent their time.

1:21:45

They're often times unsupervised by adult services

1:21:48

like you run. a block

1:21:50

down the road and you can play at

1:21:52

the park and meet your friends it was

1:21:54

close enough to home that they could walk

1:21:56

they're pretty safely especially in groups with older

1:21:59

children And instead of taking the

1:22:01

sidewalks, it was pretty common for kids to take

1:22:03

shortcuts through people's yards for a more

1:22:05

direct route to the park. So

1:22:10

Betty, actually fun fact, was one

1:22:12

of nine, or sorry, one of 10 siblings. What?

1:22:15

And the Duggar, okay. I know, I

1:22:18

know. And her younger brother Jim, the

1:22:20

boy's uncle, was pretty close

1:22:22

to his nephew's age because there

1:22:25

was such a big age gap between her and her younger

1:22:27

brother that her younger brother

1:22:29

was actually close in age to

1:22:31

her own kids, which is kind of fun. You know,

1:22:33

when there's like a very Duggar, yeah,

1:22:35

yeah, that's true, that's true. And

1:22:38

so he sometimes spent time at their house in

1:22:40

the city playing with the other boys, like they

1:22:43

were his own brothers, and they

1:22:45

loved him and took him in like he was one

1:22:47

of their own. All

1:22:50

four Klein boys were known in the neighborhood

1:22:52

to be very well-behaved boys who followed the

1:22:54

rules. Nobody ever really worried about them. Saturday,

1:22:58

November 10th, 1951, is when

1:23:00

everything went south. So this

1:23:03

day was cold, a very cold day. And

1:23:05

when you're thinking Minneapolis, I imagine cold takes

1:23:07

on a whole other level of meaning. A

1:23:10

cold day in Minneapolis, but for whatever

1:23:12

reason, David Daniel and Kenneth Jr. desperately

1:23:14

wanted to go play at the park.

1:23:17

But Betty was very busy and she was

1:23:19

seven months pregnant with her fifth child. Yeah,

1:23:22

like leave me alone. It's like as

1:23:24

cold as F out there. And you want me to

1:23:26

walk over there? And

1:23:28

Gordon was busy too. Sources

1:23:31

differ on what he was doing, but he

1:23:33

later said in an interview that he was repairing

1:23:35

the sheath of his hunting knife because

1:23:37

the side had come undone. And because he was, I

1:23:39

mean, he was only nine, but he was very responsible

1:23:41

and he wanted to stitch it back together and get

1:23:43

the project done by the end of the day. Was

1:23:46

the Allison of the group of things? I

1:23:48

actually have to look at my spreadsheet for a little bit.

1:23:51

He would know how to call the city. He absolutely would

1:23:53

know how to call the city. And

1:23:56

so he said, you know what? Why don't you boys go

1:23:59

to the park? brothers and I'll

1:24:01

meet you afterward." So the young boys

1:24:03

went ahead and he said, I'll be there soon. After

1:24:06

a lot of begging, Betty relented, said,

1:24:08

alright fine, as

1:24:11

long as Gordon meets up with you, you

1:24:13

can go early. So the

1:24:15

boys actually had an established spot at the

1:24:17

park where they always met each other. Like

1:24:19

if two of them were meeting up

1:24:21

later, they would go to the same specific spot to

1:24:23

meet up with their other brothers. And

1:24:26

it was this large old tree beside

1:24:28

a sandbox at the northwest end of

1:24:30

Fairview Park. So the three of them

1:24:32

set out in their winter coats. Kenneth

1:24:35

was wearing a bright red jacket and so was

1:24:37

four-year-old Daniel, but his was a snow suit. Pretty

1:24:40

soon after, Gordon finished his project and left to

1:24:42

meet his brothers, but when he got to the

1:24:45

park, they were nowhere to be seen. At

1:24:48

first, he wasn't worried because, again, he's just

1:24:50

nine years old. He's thinking like, oh, maybe

1:24:52

I just forgot to meet up at our

1:24:54

spot. So he assumed he would run into

1:24:57

them soon enough. He

1:24:59

searched the entire park, especially near the

1:25:01

rendezvous spot by the tree. And

1:25:04

when he felt like he'd been as thorough

1:25:06

as possible and checked every single spot, he ran

1:25:08

home to tell his mom that he couldn't

1:25:10

find his three younger brothers.

1:25:13

So she called Kenneth at work and he

1:25:16

drove straight home, left work to look for

1:25:18

his sons. He took Gordon with

1:25:20

him to help look and

1:25:22

they started driving around the neighborhood in case the

1:25:24

boys had gotten sidetracked somehow between the house and

1:25:26

the park. Maybe they had stopped at a friend's

1:25:28

house, who knows? And of course,

1:25:31

it's understandable that young children could get

1:25:33

distracted or lost, but these kids

1:25:35

had gone to this park from their

1:25:38

house so many countless times that

1:25:40

it wasn't like, oh, they would have just accidentally took

1:25:42

a right turn instead of a left turn. Like there's

1:25:46

somewhere along the path. Something had to happen.

1:25:48

Exactly. Something must have happened. Otherwise,

1:25:50

it's not like they're wandering on the wrong street. Like

1:25:52

they knew where they were going at

1:25:55

home. Betty called the police who pretty much brushed

1:25:57

her off saying that they couldn't find her. start

1:26:00

a search until the boys were missing for 24 hours, which even

1:26:02

though that

1:26:04

was protocol back then, it's pretty

1:26:06

shocking because this is a Minnesota

1:26:09

cold, a cold day in Minnesota. And

1:26:13

the youngest boy is four years old and

1:26:15

they're like out missing. And

1:26:17

it's like the police are like, no, we have to wait 24 hours.

1:26:20

And to me, I'm just like, who

1:26:22

made that call? I just, it's a stupid fucking

1:26:24

call. So

1:26:26

a couple of police officers reportedly

1:26:28

did drive through the neighborhood, but they

1:26:31

didn't like really search. They just kind of did

1:26:34

like a loop and patrol didn't see anything and

1:26:36

went back. But thankfully

1:26:38

the clients had neighbors who were willing

1:26:40

to jump into action and help. So

1:26:42

together, the neighborhood searched by car, by

1:26:45

foot on foot, and they

1:26:47

looked everywhere for these three boys. At

1:26:49

the time, neither Betty nor Kenneth even

1:26:52

considered foul play. It was not even at the

1:26:54

top of anyone's mind at this point in time.

1:26:57

They assumed maybe the boys got lost or

1:26:59

injured somewhere and were stuck. But

1:27:01

with night falling and temperatures like

1:27:03

swiftly dropping, they would be in

1:27:06

danger even if they were just sitting on a sidewalk

1:27:08

somewhere, you know, perfectly. And it was already, it was

1:27:10

already cold when they wanted to go to the park.

1:27:12

At night it's going to be frigid. Exactly. And

1:27:15

it's, I mean, Minnesota winter, like this

1:27:17

is no joke. Yeah. And it also

1:27:19

makes you, and immediately it's

1:27:21

not like, oh, they just ran off and forgot the

1:27:23

time. I mean, it's so cold that like they would

1:27:26

have wanted to come home. Yes, true. It's not like

1:27:28

they're out having fun for 12 out. Exactly.

1:27:30

That's a good point. Like they would have wanted

1:27:32

to be somewhere warm at this point. And

1:27:35

so by dark, unfortunately, there was

1:27:38

still no sign of the three brothers. So people

1:27:40

were basically forced to go home and give up

1:27:42

until the sun came up the next day, which

1:27:44

that's always the thing I think about with these

1:27:46

cases where it's like, when

1:27:49

the sun goes down, like there's just, you feel helpless. Like

1:27:51

I just have to wait. And who knows

1:27:53

what could be happening out there. It's just terrible. Yeah.

1:27:56

So Late that night, the police called the

1:27:58

Klein home for an update. They set

1:28:00

I did the boys make it home and

1:28:02

they were like no they didn't make it

1:28:05

home they're still methods that a little to

1:28:07

chipper like I'll they made a home right

1:28:09

Nope now they were assuming they just run

1:28:11

away but know they had not made at

1:28:13

home. So the police finally

1:28:16

said, alright, fine. we'll get organized and

1:28:18

start our search in earnest. So the

1:28:20

next morning that is what happened. the

1:28:22

official search began. The. Boys

1:28:24

disappearance was immediately major news am. It

1:28:26

had front page coverage on newspapers and

1:28:28

several major Midwest cities, and one new

1:28:31

station sent reporters to the neighborhood to

1:28:33

cover the story. And

1:28:35

it's was a time period

1:28:37

when just nine percent of

1:28:39

American households had T V's.

1:28:41

So if television coverage. Was

1:28:44

made of an event that was a really

1:28:47

big deal. Like the fact that a truck

1:28:49

ninety cents per cent a reporter down means

1:28:51

like it was big news because. They

1:28:54

weren't a million channels and. Everybody could

1:28:56

report on the Hippo be ensuring that the

1:28:58

Cincinnati Zoo you know this is a really

1:29:00

big deal. Not that the Hippo was

1:29:03

not. A big deal. Been on a

1:29:05

yes. So that he made an appearance on

1:29:07

television at this point. And so you can

1:29:09

still listen to it, it's it's very hard

1:29:11

to watch, at least for me. She

1:29:14

said look everywhere in your basements,

1:29:16

in your addicts. Any place they

1:29:18

could be there. I'm sure they're

1:29:20

cold. As makes

1:29:22

me feel terrible I'm sure they're

1:29:25

called is horrible Horrible. She.

1:29:27

Said. I'm very grateful for all the help that

1:29:29

we've got. And she sounds almost like. I

1:29:31

don't know she was sedated, but

1:29:33

she sounds almost sedated by like

1:29:35

either shock or order. Metics

1:29:37

Madison? I don't know, but she's

1:29:40

the sounds very for Lauren and

1:29:42

like she's probably already fried. Yeah,

1:29:44

again, that's exactly the words. Surprising

1:29:46

flats: she's probably desperate. like it

1:29:48

just sounds so detached, almost and

1:29:50

it makes it extra sad in

1:29:52

my opinion. so

1:29:54

she genuinely believed that her sons were

1:29:56

still alive or hold up somewhere that

1:29:59

somebody could find them in their shed

1:30:01

or somewhere they were hiding out

1:30:03

and bring them home. And she still had

1:30:05

not considered foul play. And

1:30:07

if you think about it, back then, it

1:30:09

just wasn't a widely publicized thing

1:30:13

that kids got kidnapped from in

1:30:16

the bright light of day. That just wasn't

1:30:18

really something people considered until I think

1:30:20

probably the 70s when there was kind

1:30:22

of that surge. So

1:30:25

the Hawthorne families, the neighborhood

1:30:27

families, were all on edge. This

1:30:30

was really an unthinkable occurrence.

1:30:32

Kids played outside on their own all the

1:30:35

time. And this park was just a couple

1:30:37

blocks away. All their kids, all the neighborhood

1:30:39

kids played in the park and walked

1:30:41

down back with no problem. And

1:30:44

now people were suddenly on edge,

1:30:46

nervous, protective. One man who

1:30:48

was a child in the neighborhood when the

1:30:51

Klein brothers vanished later said he remembered that

1:30:53

his mom would actually accompany him all the

1:30:55

way to the park and back even though

1:30:57

that was unheard of before this event. He

1:31:02

wasn't allowed to go out on his own or

1:31:04

with other kids anymore even in a group without

1:31:07

an adult presence. And

1:31:10

this is just how people kind of shifted their

1:31:12

lifestyles. That's how

1:31:14

it worked for when we moved to

1:31:17

Fredericksburg, I guess, the year before I got

1:31:19

there or the year that we were there.

1:31:22

It was originally like, oh, play outside and I

1:31:24

don't care and I'm not even going to think about where you

1:31:26

are. But within like

1:31:30

right around the same time that we got there, there were two

1:31:32

girls that lived in our area and

1:31:35

they were abducted and

1:31:37

like killed. Like they were like, what? And

1:31:40

they were two girls my age, apparently, to my

1:31:42

mom, panicked and was like, fuck that. Like you're

1:31:45

just not going to go outside unless I'm with

1:31:47

you. So I feel

1:31:49

like it's probably a common thing in neighborhoods

1:31:51

where this happens. Oh, sure. Like when

1:31:53

parents just completely restructure how they think about safety.

1:31:55

Oh, yeah, because it's so close to home and

1:31:57

you think like, If them, why not mine?

1:32:00

You know, like it's like yeah, could happen

1:32:02

any day to anybody? Yeah, I believe that

1:32:04

really brings it home. And I mean growing

1:32:06

up like. Sweden. I

1:32:08

would wander all day like by the time we

1:32:10

were a. And she

1:32:13

was six. We would wander everywhere. We would. Wander.

1:32:15

Into the inner city of Cincinnati and sell

1:32:17

Girl Scout cookies on doorstep like we were

1:32:20

is is everywhere and there was no trackers

1:32:22

or anything and looking back I'm like, I

1:32:24

mean. It was fine, nothing really happened.

1:32:26

but look, I'm like I. Can do that

1:32:29

nowadays. I'm way too paranoid now day and

1:32:31

I. I literally even. With the advent of

1:32:33

like Find My Friends I don't know

1:32:35

how. My. Mom survives me like

1:32:37

going to college like out. Like I

1:32:39

said, Fss A Even just like the

1:32:41

small things like regardless of like how

1:32:44

safe and area is, the fact that

1:32:46

we've gotten so good at being able

1:32:48

to find people whenever we needed them.

1:32:50

Yeah, the fact that. I mean

1:32:52

not only was are no Gps Bilic. Texting.

1:32:54

Wasn't even when rise today are like hauling was

1:32:57

even what it was The and so I'm like

1:32:59

man I can't imagine, just hope it is Letting

1:33:01

am I going? Well I am though. yeah and

1:33:03

I feel I don't hear something. I guess it's

1:33:05

okay. it's funny. I just think about it like

1:33:08

my mom was. Pregnancy was like working full time

1:33:10

getting her degree Like of course she couldn't just.

1:33:12

Accompany us everywhere right? And she's a single mom.

1:33:15

Sort of like we would just go play and

1:33:17

see what does let us and he was fun

1:33:19

and awesome and like we got so much independence

1:33:21

we got to explore. We got to say that

1:33:23

you know it's funny. Now I'm like I don't

1:33:25

think I could. Do. That like

1:33:28

for my own anxiety, I don't think I could do

1:33:30

it, but we'll see. I mean, we're not big enough

1:33:32

yet anyway, but I have a feeling I'm gonna be

1:33:34

a lot more. I'm. i feel

1:33:36

like the second you see her as a six

1:33:38

year olds you're gonna be like i would never

1:33:40

up the as i put a little who's who's

1:33:42

letting her wander around the neighborhood knocking on those

1:33:45

other thing you'd knock on strangers doors and do

1:33:47

dumb shit like pretend it was we would do

1:33:49

the same where we would pretend we thought it

1:33:51

was halloween as the summers and and we would

1:33:53

go up and knock on door and be like

1:33:55

trigger tree and i'd go like it's october early

1:33:57

it's like september and we'd go What?

1:34:00

We thought it was Halloween. Like we literally would play

1:34:02

this game and people would be like, okay, what do

1:34:05

you want? We'd be like, candy. Somebody

1:34:08

gave us a can of peaches. Somebody

1:34:10

gave us an old watch that was

1:34:12

broken. We collected all sorts of random

1:34:14

shit doing this activity. It's actually just

1:34:17

trick or trick. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So

1:34:19

that's actually a good point. We were just tricking

1:34:22

around anyway. So we

1:34:24

got to wander everywhere, but I think I think it's, I

1:34:26

would be a little bit different about it nowadays.

1:34:30

So anyway, they did not consider foul

1:34:32

play at this point yet. But

1:34:35

the kids who lived in the neighborhood

1:34:37

remembered, later remembered that this shifted how

1:34:40

the whole neighborhood, probably the

1:34:42

whole town, you know, let

1:34:46

their kids out and about. So

1:34:49

the hours ticked by, there was no sign of

1:34:51

Daniel David or Kenneth Jr. And

1:34:53

like Betty, the police had not once

1:34:56

considered an abduction or foul play.

1:34:59

Their working assumption was that the boys were lost

1:35:01

or that they had run away. And

1:35:04

Betty and Kenneth just couldn't entertain the

1:35:06

runaway theory for even a second. Even

1:35:08

if the two youngest were following their older

1:35:11

brother's lead, like why would an eight year

1:35:13

old run away with his two younger brothers

1:35:15

from like a perfectly safe and healthy and

1:35:17

happy home? And

1:35:19

none of the other kids had had any of

1:35:22

this type of behavior before. They'd gone to the

1:35:24

park so many times. It just to the parents

1:35:26

didn't feel right. So a

1:35:28

couple of days after the disappearance, a woman

1:35:30

named Margaret Goodwill made a report that she

1:35:32

had seen three young boys sitting on a

1:35:34

curb the day the Klein brothers vanished. And

1:35:36

she said she believed one of the boys

1:35:39

was crying. So

1:35:41

police brought a dog to this spot and the

1:35:43

dog led them on two trails. One

1:35:45

trail passed the police station and ended not

1:35:47

far from the Klein's house. And

1:35:50

the other ended near the banks of the

1:35:52

Mississippi River, near the Lowry Avenue Bridge. The

1:35:55

brothers and other neighborhood children sometimes played

1:35:57

at the bridge in summer weather, but

1:35:59

they... would not be allowed up there

1:36:01

without Gordon, their older brother. Gordon

1:36:04

and his parents didn't think that the boys

1:36:06

would have gone on their own without permission,

1:36:09

especially in the winter when this was usually

1:36:11

like a summer spot, but maybe

1:36:13

they got kind of bold

1:36:15

and wanted to climb up there without their

1:36:17

older brother and like test their independence, you

1:36:20

know? And so maybe

1:36:22

that's what had happened. But

1:36:24

the climbs pretty quickly began to question these

1:36:27

scent trails that the dog had followed. The

1:36:29

first issue being that there was no confirmation

1:36:31

that the children Margaret Goodwill had seen were

1:36:33

the Klein brothers anyway. So that's the sense

1:36:36

that the dog was using to track.

1:36:38

And like, who knows these three boys could have been any

1:36:40

other three boys. So it's not even confirmed

1:36:42

that it was them to begin with. Um,

1:36:46

I know it's just like, feels like a constant

1:36:48

roundabout, like back to square one. Yeah.

1:36:50

Especially cause so many kids are playing in that park. So

1:36:54

many kids. And based on her description

1:36:56

of these kids, it really could have been any

1:36:58

kids in the neighborhood, any three kids just like

1:37:00

bundled up. Sure. You know, she couldn't like see

1:37:02

that many specific features. And

1:37:05

then the next issue was the route

1:37:07

itself, because the dog led police on

1:37:09

a long meandering journey that totally totaled

1:37:12

nearly seven miles. And

1:37:14

it was hard to imagine a four year old walking

1:37:16

seven miles in a snow suit for any reason.

1:37:18

Like it just didn't quite add

1:37:20

up. The third issue is

1:37:22

that the dog had found two scent trails,

1:37:24

which went totally different places. So it's like,

1:37:26

well, which one is it? You know, like

1:37:28

did they part ways? Like did they split

1:37:30

up? Right? Good point. Could they have split

1:37:32

up? Um, which one

1:37:35

of these could be trusted? Could any of them be trusted?

1:37:37

Was it even the three boys, the Klein

1:37:39

brothers that this woman had seen? So

1:37:41

it was all just kind of a lot of question

1:37:43

marks. And finally 62 hours after

1:37:45

the disappearance, a railroad worker found

1:37:48

the first real physical clue,

1:37:50

which were two children's knit winter

1:37:52

caps that were laying at the

1:37:54

banks of the Mississippi river on top of an

1:37:56

ice patch. Oh, oh,

1:37:59

shit. And unfortunately

1:38:01

Kenneth confirmed they were his son's

1:38:03

hats. But yes. But

1:38:05

they didn't – something didn't feel right because

1:38:07

he thought it almost seemed as

1:38:10

though they had both been placed there next to each

1:38:12

other on this ice bank by the river.

1:38:15

And so he felt a little odd. It didn't look

1:38:17

like they had just been tossed off like

1:38:19

a little boy would do. It seemed like somebody

1:38:21

had taken them and carefully placed them there. But

1:38:24

regardless, police immediately had developed this new

1:38:27

theory that the boys went to plan

1:38:29

the river, fell in, and drowned. So

1:38:32

what they did next is they utilized the dams

1:38:34

to lower the water level along that stretch of

1:38:36

the river so they could conduct an aerial search.

1:38:40

And the pilots reported excellent vision

1:38:42

that day because a lot

1:38:44

of the Mississippi River is very wide, deep, incredibly

1:38:46

murky. But this area

1:38:48

was actually crystal clear, and when they lowered the

1:38:50

water level, you could basically search the whole thing

1:38:53

from the air and see everything. Oh, wow. Yeah.

1:38:55

So I feel like that never happens with these

1:38:57

stories. No, no. So

1:39:00

the pilots said they could see everything from toilet seats

1:39:02

to sunken tires all the way at the bottom of

1:39:04

the river. Like they could see crystal

1:39:06

clear. Two of the

1:39:08

boys had been wearing bright red, like I

1:39:11

mentioned, which is an ideal color when you're

1:39:13

searching for someone in the water. But the

1:39:15

pilots did a thorough search of this whole

1:39:18

area and found absolutely nothing. No clothing

1:39:20

of the boys, no accessories, no

1:39:23

more hats, nothing, no red jacket.

1:39:25

And then was it like, hold on.

1:39:27

There was snow. Could they get like

1:39:30

footsteps anywhere? I don't know

1:39:32

that there was snow. There was an ice patch

1:39:34

where the hats were found. I don't think it

1:39:36

would have been. Like from a previous snow maybe.

1:39:39

I don't think there would have been snow prints as far

1:39:41

as we can. Because

1:39:43

maybe they were just looking

1:39:45

for –

1:39:47

because my – maybe

1:39:50

they were looking at the water and then

1:39:52

they decided to leave, but they just forgot their

1:39:54