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Look at Sweet Christine in her little Harry Potter glasses.

1:33

I know. They're blue light glasses.

1:35

I don't even think I don't even know if

1:37

these do anything at work, but they make

1:40

me feel smarter. And magical.

1:42

You look very magical. Thank

1:45

you. How are you doing, Em? I miss

1:47

you. I miss you. I

1:51

feel like so much has happened and nothing's happened at all

1:53

since we last recorded,

1:55

where I've been

1:58

doing a lot of physical exertions. Not

2:01

by any choice. Well, I guess by choice, but not like in a

2:04

fun way. I've

2:06

been doing a lot of cleaning, like to like,

2:09

Allison is not here, Kelsopries.

2:14

What else is there? But

2:16

so I'm trying to like, you know, get things cleaned

2:18

up before either she gets back or before we

2:20

start really like moving. And

2:23

so I've been doing a lot of like rearranging and pulling

2:25

things out and trying to like come up with piles to

2:28

get rid of stuff. On

2:31

top of that, our friend Christine, not

2:33

this Christine, not Harry Potter, but

2:37

we have a friend, Christine, she's moving. And

2:39

like the first time in several

2:42

years, I had a friend say, can you come over

2:44

and help me move?

2:46

No. And I hope for that

2:48

shit now. Come on. I had a lot

2:50

of fun, but it was like the next

2:52

day my body hurt a lot. And I was just

2:55

like, man, I don't think I ever felt like

2:57

this. You can't even like be

2:59

paid in a six pack of beer. And I

3:02

paid for the pizza. Wait

3:04

a minute. Christine, you are a genius.

3:06

Whatever you're doing, it's working. She just

3:08

batted some eyes at me. You know,

3:10

I'm a sucker. All my friends have

3:12

just like the best eyes. But

3:16

I don't know. I just I

3:18

got swooped into it. I really I mean, I don't really

3:20

care what I'm doing. I just wanted to like make the

3:22

memory with her. But then the next

3:24

day I was like, wow, I know the memory

3:26

was nice. And now I'm in a great thing

3:28

to get all over again. Yeah. Yeah. So

3:31

I'm just I need to do

3:33

a big stretch. I think that's where I'm

3:35

at today. Nice. What

3:37

about you? How are you? Are you stretchy? No,

3:41

I just would rather not move at all. But

3:43

I will say I'm very excited. The reason I

3:45

drink this week is because I hope

3:48

are we announcing this yet? When do we announce it

3:51

today? Yeah. We're going on tour.

3:54

OK, we're going on tour. It's

3:57

too late. Eva's not here today. Tell us now. I

4:00

thought you said yes, that's why I went forward, but

4:02

you were not saying yes, were you? I was trying

4:04

to figure out what day this comes out, but I

4:06

think we announced the tour Monday

4:09

oh Okay,

4:12

so yeah, okay Great

4:14

going on tour. Okay folks We're going there

4:16

and we have so many random cities like

4:18

that's my most excited part is that we're

4:20

going to places We've some places that we've

4:23

never been before we're doing some repeats of

4:25

course But we're doing some we're doing some

4:27

real randoms Which I can't read randoms freaking

4:29

Lawrence, Kansas We're coming for

4:31

you which night we are wild

4:34

is actually a great time So

4:36

yeah, there's a reason that college

4:38

town, you know, so with our

4:40

our booking agents Is that an

4:42

official title? I think the

4:44

guy who creates our tour? Yeah,

4:48

we he'd send us a bunch of cities

4:50

and we're like, I don't know what half

4:53

of these are about but yeah Reason so

4:55

what Iowa City, Iowa, but hello we're coming

4:58

So let me just listen where there's gonna be

5:00

a promos You probably heard this folks, but we're

5:02

going to Newark, New Jersey, Tarrytown, New York, which

5:04

I think is sleepy Hollow, right? It's sleepy Hollow.

5:06

Yeah, that one makes a little sense to me.

5:09

Yeah, that one makes sense Portland, Maine

5:11

Portsmouth, New Hampshire Madison, Wisconsin, Iowa

5:13

City, Iowa Springfield,

5:16

Missouri Lawrence, Kansas

5:19

Dallas Austin I'm excited to

5:21

go back to Texas Atlanta

5:23

Charleston, which I'm really excited

5:25

about San

5:28

Francisco and San Diego. I can't wait and

5:31

this is for the Fall

5:35

and then we're and then in the spring we'll

5:37

we'll put out other cities eventually But for now,

5:39

this is the first half of a whole tour

5:41

So yeah, we have no idea where else we'll

5:43

be heading and apparently we're going to some random

5:45

as hell places Don't

5:47

wait for your your your big

5:49

city. Just come yeah I got with us in some

5:52

tiny spaces if there's somewhere that you want to

5:54

go I would just I would just scoop it out

5:56

because I barely know where we're going in the fall let alone

5:58

like where we'll Be going in the spring And

6:00

if we're not coming to your town do not fret

6:02

because I will be also going through the summer to

6:04

several towns with my Brother doing beach to Sandy where

6:07

we've got like one star reviews of all these different

6:09

towns So, you know if we're

6:11

missing you there because we're doing a Cincinnati show

6:13

and a Columbus show and some other towns So

6:15

it's important to me there is

6:17

Portsmouth, New Hampshire where we have

6:19

the snowpocalypse situation it

6:21

seems like it would be nearby because

6:24

right because It can't

6:26

be that big of a place. Let's just

6:28

hope that it doesn't snow this time around That's all we

6:30

can hope for with new. I really hope that

6:32

in August or whatever month We'll

6:36

see I can't promise anything But

6:39

I'm there is snow. I'm getting a

6:41

all-wheel drive or or just

6:43

not going or snow. I don't

6:46

know. I never got my Dartmouth

6:48

gear So we've got a whole new for you. I

6:50

got a whole new movie over in New Hampshire There

6:52

will be near was the exit. All right. It's

6:55

an exit. Sure. I don't remember But

6:58

I'm very excited specifically for Terry town on principle. I

7:00

saw that one pop up and I went over Well

7:04

him in New Hampshire, you know what? I usually

7:06

make a week of a trip anyway So yeah,

7:08

it's all you'll find you'll cover your bases. You'll

7:11

hit them all. I think but yeah, Terry town

7:13

will be fun That's our first and

7:15

it's a new show folks So if you yeah last

7:17

few years like it's a totally new show that by

7:19

the way, we have not even done yet

7:21

So like we don't even know yet. We don't even

7:23

know gonna be good. We'll see. We'll see It's

7:27

gonna be great But

7:30

we are gonna live in total terror

7:32

until we have it ready to go.

7:34

So I think we should call it terror town

7:37

We're called terror town Right.

7:40

That's it. Anyway, that's why I drink but I'm ready to

7:42

I'm ready to party Um, do you want to tell me

7:44

a story or do we have anything else to cover? I

7:47

don't think we've oh This is just another

7:49

casual reminder that we have a book coming out and

7:53

Pre-order sales are very important to us when

7:56

it comes to like where we land on

7:59

the list the best Our list. If

8:02

we end up unless we let the

8:04

of the up at Nasa say like

8:06

are you know we've already been warned

8:08

about Brooklyn. It made the bestseller list.

8:11

Our own aged manager said. This.

8:14

Is really a surprise us and we said yeah

8:16

no kidding but I don't know what yards to

8:18

but like thanks a lot for all your confidence

8:20

but then this summer and they were like hey

8:22

to see you know it's even more competitive now

8:24

so don't get your hopes up about like honestly

8:27

there never up and then I don't have our

8:29

hopes up we leave our hopes on the floor

8:31

cause if something exciting happens. To. Get

8:33

So great so don't worry we don't have

8:35

our hopes up that we do appreciate any

8:37

preorder sales. It really does help us a

8:39

lot to get it come out there. I

8:41

do say like oh if they're always helps

8:44

us where we land on the list. I

8:46

think I'm saying that an A manifesting way

8:48

I don't actually or out my my expectations

8:50

are low for as a society set our

8:52

expectations and and I was They also m

8:54

You and I are very excited that the

8:57

cover of this new book says New York

8:59

Times bestselling authors so who gives a shit

9:01

of this makes it? Were already. And

9:03

with Iran title it's on the cover. I

9:05

when he bragged about it out of the had

9:07

as As and City. And she put it

9:10

under everyone's tree. And. Of anyway it's making

9:12

a fake you in advance if you have already

9:14

preordered. but if you would like to help us

9:16

with our numbers than you can pre order. Also

9:18

if you just want to read a really funny

9:21

yeah we're really proud of this. One of the

9:23

on for really proud of it. I think it's

9:25

very funny. I rag on Christine quite a lot

9:27

and the Cia like a little bit like that.

9:29

A lot of bands. Heard their the summer and.

9:32

Yeah. Okay so anyway, please go

9:34

check out our book. I

9:37

think that's all you've got. Oh do you want a

9:39

pitcher? Your poor. May.

9:42

Much money? she's any? yeah? Oh sure yeah.

9:44

So we're just doing twelve different cities or

9:46

to the first like real tour we've ever

9:48

done. Were doing d again at the Improv,

9:51

Were doing a bunch of town Seattle and

9:53

Portland already sold out which is exciting. None

9:55

of this. Opens are so so far less.

9:57

Seattle has always been kind to us. They

10:00

are. It's that demographic really like gets

10:02

us, you know? And so, yeah, that

10:04

one was easy peasy. The rest of

10:07

the towns are a little more uphill

10:09

battle. So, yeah, check it out. Every

10:11

town we go to, we read one-star

10:13

reviews of your town and places around.

10:15

It's really fun. And

10:18

we have a good time. Sometimes M shows up. That's

10:20

my always my little like teaser. Even

10:23

the ones concerned. Like a little, yeah,

10:25

a little prairie dog or something.

10:27

Yeah, I'm just like woodchucks on

10:30

in and every now and then M gets like

10:32

a whole signing autograph

10:35

line going in the aisle, which is really

10:37

fun too. Because I don't mean to,

10:39

but it does happen. I mean, I know you

10:41

don't mean to, but for me, it's delightful because Alexander and I are like,

10:43

phew, now we can go to the bathroom and no one can see us.

10:46

We can pass everyone. As long as you're OK with that,

10:48

I just don't want to. If you ever want me to

10:50

shut it down, I'll shut it down because it's

10:52

your show, not mine. So I'd prefer it if

10:54

you. My mom would disagree. She would. Yeah,

10:57

as she should. I would keep it. She'll be my

10:59

she'll be my plus one and she will want a

11:01

line for her. Yeah, she wants a line. She has

11:03

her own line. Quite frankly, she can shut yours down and

11:05

keep hers going. That's fine, too. OK,

11:09

I'm ready to tell you about a cryptid

11:11

this week, Christine. And it's been a

11:13

while, I think, the last cryptid. I

11:16

think it has to I went on a on a bit of

11:18

a ghost heavy track, which

11:20

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11:22

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11:24

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11:28

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14:19

so here we're going to talk about the Mongolian

14:21

death worm. Say it

14:23

so. Oh well I

14:26

will not go turn the

14:29

lights off. Gary be

14:32

home. I've been listening to a

14:34

lot of emo music lately. Mongolian death worm. Which

14:37

sounds emo by the way. Sure

14:39

does. It sounds like someone gave themselves

14:42

a nickname to look cooler in school

14:44

but everyone's like okay death worm. I

14:46

bet you're okay. Not that not that

14:48

big. All right Peter we know your

14:50

real name. Stop calling yourself Mongolian death

14:52

worm. So before

14:54

we can talk about the Mongolian

14:56

death worm we have to talk

14:58

about its cousin the Indus worm.

15:00

Hmm but if just to give

15:02

you an idea of where we're heading. Did you

15:05

ever see the movie Tremors? It was like a

15:07

sci-fi movie in the 90s. No. It's

15:10

about giant worms attacking people from underground. Which

15:12

is exactly what a Mongolian death worm

15:17

is pretty much. I can kind of picture it. I think

15:19

I've seen pictures from from those movies. Yeah. I'm

15:22

thinking that death

15:24

worms like the the lore of

15:26

them is exactly the inspiration for

15:28

this movie and that was it. But it feels pretty spot-on.

15:34

Yeah and

15:36

in modern days if someone's like what's

15:38

a death worm according to

15:40

PBS it is a

15:42

giant underground worm that comes up from

15:45

the earth to attack its prey. All

15:47

the comers. But not a

15:49

real one PBS right? PBS. There's

15:52

a there's a show called Monstrum and

15:54

it talks about different monster. I was

15:57

like what kind of fucking PBS programming

15:59

is this? because I thought PBS was educational

16:01

and now you're telling me they're talking about death

16:03

worms. Okay, you got me a little nervous. As

16:06

far as I know, I don't think there's actually... Thank

16:09

God. ...death worms. Certainly not to the size

16:11

and grandeur of the worm I'm talking

16:13

about today. Okay, gotcha. Yeah,

16:15

not big Godzilla-sized. Man-eating. Yeah.

16:19

But yeah,

16:22

so I guess the official definition

16:24

is that a death worm would be

16:26

soft-bodied, timeless and

16:28

invertebrate, and moves

16:31

by crawling and lives partially under

16:33

dirt and is a threat to

16:35

humans. Okay,

16:38

lots of qualifications there. Wow,

16:41

okay. Origins

16:43

of these worms date back to folklore

16:45

from hundreds of years ago. An example of

16:47

that is the Indus worm, who has

16:50

his own legends from up to like 1,500

16:53

years ago. Years

16:56

from the Indus River, which is 1,800 miles

16:59

long and flows through the Himalayans, and

17:03

in the

17:05

year five...no, the year four... At

17:08

that point, it's all the

17:10

same, Em. Was

17:13

it December of four or January of

17:15

five? It's really hard to say. In

17:20

the fifth century BCE, it's even further

17:22

back. A

17:25

Greek historian wrote

17:27

that in the Indus

17:30

River lived a giant

17:32

white maggot. Ew!

17:35

This maggot was so big that

17:37

apparently a 10-year-old could wrap their

17:39

arms around it, and specifically a

17:41

10-year-old. Could, but like...

17:44

Would? Should

17:46

not, please. Also, why 10?

17:49

Why? I was this size at 10, so obviously you're

17:51

wrong. You don't count. Yeah,

17:55

I feel like that seems like not a good measurement. Like

17:57

if I had a 10-year-old and someone wrote that down... that

18:00

time period I'd be like we're staying indoors until

18:02

you turn 11. I'm worried about why

18:05

he knows this weird man. Like

18:08

is the 10 year old the only one who survived? What

18:10

about an eight year old? What about? They

18:12

don't have the grip strength. Or what

18:14

if there's only one person who was dumb enough to try

18:16

and it happened to be a 10 year old so that's

18:18

the only frame of reference we have? I mean that fits,

18:20

yeah. Somehow there was also

18:22

the description of this maggot being 10 feet

18:25

wide so now I'm thinking okay is it one

18:27

foot per child that they're measuring by? Yeah what

18:30

kind of fucking wingspan does this 10 year old

18:32

have? Okay. Yeah that's a

18:34

great point. So weird. So

18:37

this historian who wrote about this maggot that lives

18:39

in the Indus River. Okay historian in quotes I'm

18:41

sorry I just have to say it now. Who

18:44

the fuck is this? Who wrote this? Someone from

18:46

year four, negative four. Okay but it's not like

18:49

Plato or some shit like it's just some random. We don't

18:51

know. Okay so I'm

18:53

just gonna say historian quote unquote.

18:56

A guy who maybe

18:58

saw a maggot, I don't know he could have been

19:00

drunk on like leaves or

19:02

something back then. Oh

19:05

that's probably what it was. Maybe he was 10

19:07

years old. Maybe he was like I'm just writing

19:09

this for a school project I'm not a historian.

19:11

He just went as a 10 year old this

19:13

is how I would have held onto it. I

19:16

can hold on to a time worm. It

19:18

was around 10 feet wide it would

19:20

spend its days hiding in the sun,

19:22

hiding from the sun in the water

19:24

and soil. It would just tuck itself

19:26

under the water in the dirt and

19:29

then at night it would come out and it would hunt

19:31

very large creatures that included like camels

19:33

and oxen and horses. So

19:38

that was kind of the whole thing. It

19:40

was just that it was essentially nocturnal and

19:42

during the day it would hide out in the dirt.

19:45

It was also supposedly this feels like either something a

19:47

10 year old came up with or someone who's drunk

19:50

on leaves. Only the

19:52

worm only had two teeth, one

19:54

on its top jaw, one on its bottom jaw

19:56

and I'm like in like a or

20:00

was it just like a whole row

20:02

of teeth all connected? Like as just

20:04

one big dumb tooth. Oh, ew, ew.

20:07

Yeah, are they pointy? Cause then that seems

20:09

like a useless type of tooth or is

20:11

like one sharp and one flat so

20:13

that it can like. Yeah,

20:16

are they both sharp? Cause then

20:18

if they're both sharp, like I need to know how big

20:20

they are. Is it the size of a normal tooth or

20:22

literally is it like a row of

20:24

teeth as one big tooth? That's horrible. I hope it's

20:26

not one big tooth like that. That's not good for

20:29

me. I feel like there's like

20:31

some uncanny valley where like there's an

20:33

AI man who like only has

20:35

one. Yeah, well it's cause like AI can't

20:37

do like a faces or like hands correctly.

20:39

So they always get that freaky, freaky look.

20:42

Yeah, I feel like one tooth on top

20:44

and bottom is not

20:46

good. Well,

20:48

apparently that's what this thing had going

20:51

on. It was one

20:53

on its top jaw, one on its bottom jaw.

20:55

And apparently I think it actually was pretty flat.

20:57

I mean, maybe it was sharp enough to like

20:59

first the grip of it, but I

21:02

think they were kind of dull. And

21:04

the jaw alone was the real weapon. And

21:07

these teeth would catch somebody. It

21:10

would jump out of the dirt. It would hunt and grab somebody. And

21:12

then it would drag them back into the water. This

21:17

worm apparently would eat every single

21:19

part of its prey, but

21:22

the intestines. I

21:24

don't know why. There's no reason for it. That

21:26

makes no sense, but okay. It's

21:28

like, the colon is great. Intestines? Yeah.

21:32

The eye is great. It's part of

21:34

the intestines, right? I

21:36

guess then you get it. Well, probably then. Well, I

21:38

was gonna say as someone with an

21:41

intestinal problem and my colon is definitely

21:43

the issue. I think probably it's not

21:45

eating the colon, which is probably for the best. Is

21:47

the bladder? No.

21:51

Because I think about like if this

21:53

worm were to eat something. And

21:56

it's like, I don't want the

21:58

parts to taste like waste. But you're

22:00

eating the bladder. I guess that's sterile. I

22:03

don't think it's sterile. I mean, well,

22:06

the blood pee is sterile, but not the

22:08

bladder. The kidneys are, are getting

22:10

all the toxins out. That thing's full of toxins.

22:13

No, I see in the kidneys. It's

22:15

full of bile. Maybe he likes it. Maybe

22:18

he's into it, but not the

22:20

intestines. I really, I feel like you still

22:22

need to explain yourself. Yeah. I

22:24

guess so. But I mean, eyes, you're fine with

22:27

eating eyes. Yeah, I'm

22:29

fine with eating. Oh, you're not asking me. I mean,

22:31

that's it. Oh, I

22:34

think a worm has an opinion, but, um, apparently

22:37

it does. Apparently it's very strongly against eating

22:39

the intestines, which doesn't make sense because any

22:41

wild animal, I feel like that would be

22:43

the thing that they eat, right? I don't

22:45

know. Well, I, I feel like a wild

22:47

animal would at least like not eat the

22:50

bones or like, like you need

22:52

everything around a skeleton, but it's even eating

22:54

that and just put to eat the one

22:56

part it doesn't like. It's like the intestines

22:58

are its crystal. Um,

23:01

that's nasty. If for

23:03

some reason you wanted to catch one of

23:05

these worms, apparently people would try to do

23:07

it by using live goat as bait. And

23:11

people would fish for this worm

23:14

because its body was extremely valuable.

23:16

Forget the fact that it's fucking

23:18

rare and a giant worm, but

23:20

apparently, literal monster from outer space,

23:22

but okay, sure. Apparently

23:24

the skin on it, it was so

23:26

flammable. Like it had like really intense

23:29

oils on it that were super flammable

23:32

and they wanted to use that, uh,

23:34

for old school, like weaponry during war. And

23:37

so they would catch

23:39

this worm allegedly because one has ever be fucking

23:41

caught right,

23:44

right, right. Okay. As far

23:46

as we know, apparently there's locals who

23:48

swear they they're grandpa's grandpa's grandpa, caught

23:50

one of these things. Whatever. Um, he

23:53

was a 10 year old Greek

23:55

historian. Actually. Um, if

23:58

the worm, catch the worm

24:01

and then I guess

24:03

the oils could only be put out with dirt

24:05

like if they were to catch on fire so

24:07

what does the thing spontaneously combust I don't know

24:11

but apparently you catch it you

24:13

hang it out to dry for a month

24:15

and like put something underneath it to

24:17

catch all of the oils that trip off you

24:19

kill it right like you catch it I know it I

24:22

assume I imagine a a wriggling

24:24

live giant worm like

24:30

just no thank you so

24:32

anyway it drips I guess you kill it it

24:35

drips all the oils off they take

24:37

that oil go down to like I don't know

24:39

the weapons factory apartment yeah

24:42

and they would

24:44

use that oil to create

24:47

spraying flamethrowers this

24:51

is a 10 year old you can't convince me

24:53

anything else that this is not a 10 year

24:56

old writing this in a comic book like making

24:58

you clearly learned about intestines and biology class he

25:00

was like no no no no no no

25:02

disgusting yeah my my character

25:04

is not going to like that because

25:06

I don't we have the oil I

25:08

guess did you ever see people I

25:11

used to do this I do not recommend I do not condone

25:13

the like spraying like aerosols and like next

25:16

to a lighter oh yeah yeah yeah sure

25:18

I used to have some problems with lighting

25:20

things on fire not like to an extent that was

25:23

illegal but like I definitely enjoyed

25:25

playing with matches which I do

25:27

not recommend folks please I

25:30

got caught one time doing the the aerosol light

25:32

thing I still think about it

25:34

you in big trouble I got yelled

25:36

at in front of all my friends oh yeah

25:39

so embarrassing

25:41

they watched oh and then I like walked

25:43

away and try to pretend like nothing happened

25:45

but they're like we just saw that happen

25:50

oh I still lose sleep over it I hate it I hate it I hate

25:52

it I'm sorry that is traumatizing oh

25:55

god it was just the worst as

25:57

it was happening I was like I'll remember this forever Don't

26:00

you hate when that's happening and you're like,

26:02

God, I wish I didn't just feel it

26:04

lock into my brain, like my subconsciously just

26:07

locked itself in. I just felt it happen.

26:09

It's never leaving. God, I

26:11

hate that feeling. Well, so

26:13

similar to that, that's what these people

26:15

would do, is that they would spray

26:17

this oil next to an open flame

26:20

and create flamethrowers in battle. So

26:22

that's why people were after this

26:24

thing, although I'm sure there was some narcissist who

26:26

just wanted to say, I caught one. Yeah.

26:29

No, but throw away all the good oils or something.

26:34

In 1852, there was an academic, here we go, named

26:38

academic drunk on leaves. Okay, go on.

26:44

He proposed that the Indus worm, or

26:46

this worm that we've been talking about, now

26:48

has religious and folkloric roots

26:50

in the Indus River Valley,

26:53

because it has been talked about so much that

26:55

now it's become part of. Fair. Oh,

26:57

okay. Fair, you know, it was

26:59

like, I was told here. Yeah. He

27:01

does say, though, that his guess is that

27:04

the worms are not real. Good guess. But

27:09

he believes that the worms

27:11

were actually symbols in

27:13

previous religious stories. They

27:16

were like symbols of like the serpent or something. And

27:19

the he's blaming it on

27:21

the Greeks, but apparently the ancient Greeks who were

27:23

reading about these symbolic serpents took them

27:26

literally by accident and really believe that

27:28

these giant and

27:31

like really believe these giant ass worms existed.

27:33

So this is a dangerous game. Pre internet

27:35

people nowadays read art and still think they're

27:37

real, even though they're from the onion. It's

27:39

like, watch out folks. As

27:41

folks of the digital era, with

27:45

the what was it called? The

27:47

information superhighway at our fingertips. What

27:49

was it called? What did one

27:52

weird middle elementary school teacher call it again?

27:54

Oh yeah. You say that in the 90s.

27:57

They were like, beware of the information. highway

28:00

or if you were not experiencing that when you

28:02

were in the 90s if we're older than you just

28:05

really what it was called for a while

28:07

the information super highway especially toward kids because

28:09

they wanted it to sound like cool and

28:11

like you could learn surfing the net surfing

28:14

the net I mean oh we got to

28:16

bring some of that back and I really

28:18

like that you said information super highway I've

28:20

been saying it I'm trying to make it happen

28:22

I say it to myself quite a lot so

28:24

like a very very good phrase to kick to

28:27

bring back I also have

28:29

been using the phrase surfing the net

28:31

which has made me feel good you've said that to

28:33

me before and I've been like wow that's

28:36

very wholesome even though what you're

28:38

doing is probably looking up worms and like other

28:40

weird shit but it feels wholesome when you say like

28:42

that you know what half my job is surfing the net

28:45

so right I guess I'm

28:47

a professional surfer you are honestly Olympic

28:50

Olympic medalist perhaps and you

28:52

know what's crazy is that

28:55

I surf a highway you

28:57

sir a super highway a super highway

28:59

I think I'm pretty you know

29:01

I'm not gonna brag but I'm pretty great I

29:04

think you need a medal of everyone but

29:08

yeah as people who surf the

29:10

net we get lost in translation

29:12

a lot so imagine you're negative

29:14

four where you find

29:16

like a text one

29:18

singular text that is talking about giant worms like of

29:20

course you're gonna be like oh shit yeah

29:23

at the very least you're gonna tell someone at the

29:25

bar who's then going to in a horrid

29:28

game of telephone go I know a

29:30

guy who's talking about these giant

29:32

worms totally um

29:34

and I caught myself sometimes

29:37

I feel like back then was like

29:39

like equivalent to like QAnon or just

29:41

bad news like it's just like you

29:43

have no evidence you can just go to someone

29:45

to be like I got a friend who's terrified of these

29:47

fucking giant worms you wouldn't believe it and

29:49

now I say oh my uncle's terrified of

29:52

lizard people you're So

29:54

right. It's the same thing. It's like

29:56

oh yeah, and you could make those

29:58

fucking pamphlets that just like. Whatever the

30:00

fuck he wanted them to say

30:02

you could nicholas Sabz and bombs

30:04

and tinctures in be fucking salt

30:06

water or like lead poisoning in

30:08

a bottle and then you'd be

30:10

like here you go and nobody

30:12

on gamer relaxing anything about it.

30:15

It. Feels like the information superhighway.

30:18

Actually hasn't. Changed Anybody feels

30:20

like it's just kind of advanced.

30:23

The way in which we do the exact same thing. It

30:26

just does the crazy making Vassar it does

30:28

and it it can efforts more of us

30:30

which is also bad as a ball. Long

30:32

ago. Anyway, so

30:35

the The Running Fury by

30:37

eighteen, Fifty two. Is that

30:39

I understand metaphor similarly and him? And for

30:41

that I hope the real don't wear it

30:43

might be an understandable. That. Fair.

30:47

And then this. Same

30:49

Pbs special there was

30:51

a Crypto Zola. Just

30:53

same Doctor Zarqa. Talking.

30:56

About these Indus firms who said that.

30:58

These. But they.

31:01

Also agree that there's a chance at these

31:03

were just written about these worms. What is

31:05

written about. And they

31:08

were later considered real worms, but

31:10

they were probably like. Inspire

31:13

at least by a

31:15

serene. Crocodiles,

31:18

Also. Known as marine crocodiles

31:21

or salty His. Contract.

31:24

Oh I like that. I. Don't I don't

31:26

see the first one. If your last name is irwin

31:28

like leave me alone. I don't know her. How

31:30

do you spell that? As not

31:33

irwin but it's like estuary But

31:35

and online. Via

31:37

A he you A are I any. Though.

31:40

As serene. Yes, a serene Listerine.

31:43

Ah, I'm. So these they

31:46

could have been inspired the Zoc

31:48

Doctor Zarqa talking that these Enda

31:50

swarms maybe they really were just

31:52

symbolic by they could have been

31:54

then perceived as real when people

31:56

experienced marine crocodiles which are crocodiles

31:58

that are you. Usually in salt

32:01

water, but also happen to magically

32:03

live in reverse ligands. A guess

32:05

if the river is. Salty.

32:07

And us just salty and us like maybe

32:09

like and in a marshland. words I can

32:11

assault in the soil is like them with

32:14

rotter over. Him. Or

32:17

when. You are tractor

32:19

beam millstone. Okay please. I got some to have a

32:21

say when I want, but. Yeah, okay.

32:23

I'm in a look at these kids. You know I'm. Really in

32:26

a crocodiles right now. Yes,

32:28

I do actually finally know. That about

32:30

you. I thought your much to say something so off the

32:32

cuff and I was going after the final. Yeah there's some

32:34

they have already told you. Actually,

32:37

I have my i haven't told to yet. Oh

32:39

god, What if you bought one? Know,

32:43

but I'm getting a tattoo of one an act

32:45

As if I say it's gonna be a color

32:48

and it's gonna have. A

32:50

sick of swirling have even book this. Yeah this is

32:52

just like a new idea have but I'm going to

32:54

get a colored parts my first quarter do with a

32:56

little birdie on his head. Like. You

32:59

know that sometimes crocodiles have like a there or

33:01

alligators have a bird so it's gonna be kind

33:03

of like a crocodile but he has like a

33:05

burgess person up there on a sad one. nine.

33:08

I haven't decided yet. Thank you for asking know that

33:10

was my brothers first questions while announced like i gotta

33:12

get up get it I would look at other. Does

33:14

make sure it's also compatible with crocodiles because what

33:17

if you get like their favorite treat you know

33:19

and they're of. Yeah, yeah, well I

33:21

think. I think

33:23

that's part of it is that because they're sitting there and

33:25

they have wings. Generally. Them is

33:27

imply way. Which. Which bird the

33:29

thing to be the yummy us to a crocodile. Pay.

33:32

The Full Blue Jays. You see them?

33:34

Chicken chicken or me and trick of my favorite

33:37

holiday As I mean as far as I know

33:39

what birds tastes like I would argue. Chicken but

33:41

i don't have much experience what the

33:43

other under thing What? you gotta figure.

33:45

It out because like what if you picked like.

33:48

A duck or quail. Or

33:50

peacock quail would be hard. Like.

33:52

That don't have to be a

33:55

penguin. Begin it works as they

33:57

don't fly. Speaking. Of bug

33:59

metaphors like. Imagine if you picked a penguin

34:02

like there would be you'd have to explain that for the rest of

34:04

your life That would be a nice little man picking

34:06

on assuming birds so people leave you alone Probably

34:08

I will do that. Yes, maybe

34:11

a parrot. No, I'm just kidding. That'd be crazy though

34:15

Just actually to can Sam from Fruit Loops, that would

34:17

be oh and then the alligator will

34:20

just be actually Tony the tiger cartoon

34:24

characters Now that

34:26

we're talking about it. I have always wondered what

34:28

happens that little coco puffs bird Yeah,

34:31

oh, he's probably not doing well Breakdown

34:40

in front of us and nobody was saying

34:42

anything and we just all pretended it was

34:44

okay He

34:49

started with clothes and then in the

34:51

early 2000s, I think oh, I mean like

34:53

maybe he was in treatment at that point

34:55

And that's why that's what I can tell myself.

34:57

Sure He was there

35:00

was something experimental happening and I don't know

35:02

it's voluntary or Recreational

35:10

You to cuckoo like he went you know I'm saying

35:12

sure I sure hope not Where

35:15

were we? I don't know worms. So

35:18

alligators crock-a-dales Okay,

35:21

so the Indus worm Probably

35:25

if it existed is inspired

35:27

by crock-a-dales because

35:30

Like a crocodile they spend much their time hiding

35:32

in the water during the day laying in mud

35:35

Jumping out of the dirt without having been

35:37

noticed and hunting at night. They

35:39

kind of Forget their tiny

35:41

little creepy legs. They look like a big Textured

35:44

worm. Yeah, you know when they're in the water to like

35:46

they move, you know, they kind of move like that Yeah,

35:50

and yeah, they spring out of the water they

35:52

use their jaws they grab people and drag them

35:54

back to the water so if you have one very I've

35:58

never been close up to a crocodile to count just To

36:00

be fair, you're right. I've never

36:02

actually seen it with my own two eyes up close. But

36:05

I know if I saw just a

36:07

row of one solid tooth, I would

36:09

remember that. So I would die probably

36:11

on the spot and be like, fine, that's it. I'm

36:13

done. It just looks like a

36:15

fairly odd parents teeth. Like just one big

36:18

white strip. You know,

36:20

like on MS Paint. Sorry, folks.

36:22

Eva's not here today. So we are like,

36:24

we have free reign and it's like, it's

36:26

like Friday for us. So like, we're about

36:28

to like, go a weekend. It's like

36:30

somebody led us into the kids club, but like didn't,

36:33

there's like the boss M is in here. So it's like,

36:35

we just get like to play. Yeah. Yeah.

36:37

But you remember in MS Paint where you would like

36:39

draw a bunch of squiggles and you could fill in

36:41

the different like, yeah, that's my favorite game. Yeah. Wow.

36:44

To be young. To

36:46

be young. So that is what I'm thinking

36:48

of with the teeth where it's just like one tooth

36:50

and then you just drop a paint bucket and you're like,

36:52

I don't want to draw all the teeth. I'm

36:54

just gonna fill it in with, you know, exactly.

36:56

Just pick white. Just one big tooth. Yeah. Which

36:58

speaking of the super information, superhighway, that

37:02

was the fun we had. I don't know

37:04

who's listening. I feel like some people have their kids in

37:06

the car. If you'd like to know what fun looks like back

37:08

then in the digital age, the thing that

37:10

all of our parents were so scared of back then.

37:12

The dawn of the internet. It was like, yeah, yeah,

37:14

yeah. We didn't even have games. There was no internet

37:16

or like, I didn't have access to internet. We had

37:18

like pinball, but my dad wouldn't let me play it on his

37:21

computer. So it was like, that was the

37:23

extent of games. We had pinball and minesweeper and

37:25

solitaire. Those were kind of it. And

37:27

then what we would do is we'd go into

37:29

MS Paint and we would create our own coloring

37:31

books, essentially. We'd create our own shapes

37:33

and then color them in. And then when

37:36

you were done, you would just erase it and start

37:39

over. Well, you know, it's so funny as Leona literally

37:41

does that. Like she has a tablet and I bought,

37:43

I downloaded like basically the equivalent of just a basic

37:45

like drawing thing. And

37:47

she just does that all day. And I'm

37:49

like, wow, okay. I guess kids kind of

37:52

like the same things. It's a

37:54

multi-generational. I like that someone out there grew

37:56

up and went, we're going to need another

37:58

MS Paint. Yeah, sorry. Time to

38:00

bring this back. Yeah,

38:02

I'm happy about it. So.

38:06

Yeah. Anyway, crocodiles are probably the.

38:09

Creation of the fear of giant

38:11

worms. So that's the end.

38:13

A swarm we're to talk about that to get

38:15

to it's cousin, the Mongolian Death Worm. and they

38:17

got a whole other thing going on. So this

38:19

is now in the early twentieth century. A.

38:21

D Y. And.

38:25

At our whole, maybe twenty five years

38:27

later, I don't know a. Little.

38:29

Eighty five years. Oh,

38:31

twentieth century century as to singing Year

38:34

to year. Twenty for second. Know

38:36

every to that's thousands of years, but

38:38

you know, ever close. Thank you for

38:41

it. When zero that are no one

38:43

is an. Aura is it. Was

38:46

oh. Okay,

38:49

ah, I would say cut that out.

38:51

Jack Burton, plus just Ahmed. I'm going

38:53

to keep. I like to say humble

38:56

every man that auto Now let's knock you

38:58

down a peg. Her tail Amish I'm I'm

39:00

I'm just like everyone else to. so them

39:02

sometimes. ugh I know that like am talked

39:04

about being like at the dawn of the

39:07

information superhighway. sometimes we just need to like

39:09

knocks down effect be like you're still one

39:11

of us against us remembered. Not free

39:13

right away from. That. Almost at work were

39:15

on our way to that not being a flex by the

39:17

way. it's like I was here during. The. Dot

39:19

of the soup with information superhighway better

39:22

not from ago. Wow.

39:26

And you grade? oh Rampart Yard, You

39:28

don't know what? Twenty? Two

39:31

thousand call. Sounds like things are going well.

39:35

As I was of I even saw your so i can like rag

39:37

on her for the reality is a real. Said we did

39:39

a gift opening video yesterday for Patron.

39:41

If you're a pro Trump is good

39:44

or going out and someone sense. Like.

39:47

A someone has a. Company

39:49

that I guess named after the name to have her

39:51

dog. He then. She.

39:53

Didn't. Put. That together, she just

39:56

kept. Calling the company as on.

39:59

Oh he. I don't. My dog?

40:01

The Durbin? Yes, Yes, yes. And almighty

40:03

I have that I remember that she'll

40:05

say it as an Almighty and I

40:07

was like Pearl Ethan Federal. Eve

40:11

of thing ever that we should go and some

40:13

school name called s and really. Screw.

40:16

Ups: Are

40:19

so much anyway, a baby feel of he

40:21

makes you laugh at circled the anyway, yeah,

40:23

it's like we all have our own dumb

40:26

shit that we. It like

40:28

are very on specific ways so it's very fun to

40:30

us like poke fun at a seller because we're we

40:32

all are equally dumb in our own ways. do not

40:34

a mean. And the same breath she

40:36

said, the phrase denouement knows like yeah, he

40:38

didn't apply to Mm and air. Yeah exactly.

40:41

Are they look like a gas in the

40:43

of our knowledge? But and usually. Different parts

40:45

of our know appear. In.

40:47

The early twentieth Century. Roy Chapman Andrews

40:49

A man the Sun Hundred. So I'm

40:51

done saying naturalists. He

40:54

went to the Gobi Desert

40:56

which isn't parts of it

40:58

and southern Mongolia and in

41:00

Nineteen twenty six he published

41:02

a book about his experience

41:04

there and well getting permission

41:06

to travel into Mongolia one

41:08

a Mongolia as Lake. Department.

41:10

Heads or had of seats.

41:12

they. Have

41:14

as the apparently the way that he tells

41:17

the story the seal the grover's necessary. He.

41:20

Says that the the Mongolia had a

41:22

safe. As a task of him.

41:25

I. Feel like what happened as he probably was making

41:27

small talk in the office and the guys are you

41:29

know you should do ha ha. Yea I and

41:32

he made it his life's work. By.

41:36

Apparently his version is that this

41:38

guy asked Roy specifically. It was

41:40

now his duty as a tourist

41:42

of Mongolia to capture and collect

41:44

a Mongolian death warm. Oh

41:47

no, he's getting punked. Yeah, you're right,

41:49

it's not like like it as me

41:51

like go catches he me. and yeah

41:53

girl cats Yes precisely like. Eve.

41:56

You're getting pumped. Say.

42:00

He did not succeed, but he collected stories from

42:02

other people who live in the area about the

42:04

worm and none of them By the way said

42:06

it's a sneeze you got punked. Oh, okay

42:09

okay, so maybe I don't want to like the little their

42:11

culture if they're really saying like no this might be a

42:13

thing that's actually real then Go

42:16

for it. I thought it's just like they didn't

42:18

know they didn't believe it was to be

42:20

fair though Just to like for your

42:23

own like mental safety. I thought the exact

42:25

same thing when I heard that though I was like,

42:27

oh he really just You're

42:30

just like a kid like a task That's like

42:32

kind of like poor like go to the like

42:34

at the beach Like go fill this with fill

42:36

this hole with water until you're full and then

42:39

you keep coming back, you know Yeah,

42:41

but yeah, I guess if it's if it's if it's more,

42:43

you know something they actually believe in that's

42:45

I guess different But sure so yeah And

42:48

I mean he is a secondary source on

42:50

what he does a good point that you

42:52

made is that The things that he

42:54

wrote about that he heard from others keep in

42:57

mind that that now makes him a secondary source

42:59

So like right all

43:01

and he's a man at the right. I don't know what's

43:03

going on. So So

43:07

according to him locals say that the

43:09

worm when they described it and this

43:11

was now centuries after like

43:14

this Lore has kind of been

43:16

shifting throughout the ether it

43:19

has started to evolve the the

43:21

description of this of deadly worms

43:24

They're still completely limbless, but they are

43:26

two feet long only two feet which does

43:28

not feel very massive to me You

43:32

see a two-foot worm coming at you,

43:35

but yeah sure you just made an

43:37

excellent point Apparently

43:40

this thing is now so deadly you could

43:42

die just by looking at it They're

43:47

like we got to overcompensate in another area

43:49

since it's no longer ten feet thick we

43:51

gotta we gotta overcompensate Also,

43:53

I'd immediately sue Mongolia's head of state if they

43:55

said like, you know what you should do go

43:57

look at this fucking worm real Like

44:00

that's just not even a pump. That's just like

44:02

a death wish like bye Yeah,

44:05

and also it this does give

44:07

more credence to like why nobody's ever been

44:09

able to catch when it's like well Cuz anyone who's ever seen

44:11

one does just died. Whoops. Yeah, exactly It's

44:15

one of those. I don't know what the right word is

44:17

like a filling prophecy Yeah,

44:20

it's like it keeps you in a loop of like

44:22

which real but there's a reason

44:24

like sure To a day

44:27

new mine and a new mall and

44:29

ethan ethan almighty Yeah,

44:33

it feels like a loop where it's like well, we

44:36

don't we've never seen one but it totally exists Oh,

44:38

well, we've never yeah, it's like you can't really prove

44:40

it one way or the other. It's just never gonna

44:42

happen so Maybe

44:46

that's like They also

44:49

said like oh, well, you don't always die

44:51

by looking at it, but you can but

44:53

if you touch it you will absolutely die Okay,

44:57

and yeah, I don't if we're still sticking with

44:59

the story that people once like fished

45:02

and caught this thing How did you

45:04

do that if you can't even look at it? Really

45:07

tight you just kind of feel

45:09

around and then die feel don't feel around don't

45:11

feel around. No, no, no You have to just

45:13

exist together you

45:17

just You just close

45:19

your eyes It doesn't

45:21

make any sense to me. So magic happens The

45:25

magic of fishing and killing

45:27

for maybe sport. Yeah Well

45:30

for all your cool fire flame throwers right

45:34

for war at the Do

45:37

it for the magic of war the

45:39

ultimate reason behind human

45:42

anything activities so

45:46

if Yeah, so apparently you can't

45:48

look at it You can't touch it but people fish for

45:50

it and they capture it and they touch its oil all

45:53

the time So use it as flame throwing material.

45:55

I get it Roy

45:58

says after talking about these people, his

46:00

thoughts are that the worm is also a piece

46:03

of folklore, not actually real. But

46:05

the Mongolian death worm was brought into

46:07

the Western world around 100 years ago,

46:10

and some people still claim to see it. The

46:12

Mongolian death worm is like the specifically so

46:15

poisonous that you can't even look

46:17

at a thing. And

46:19

so an example of

46:22

how people claim

46:24

that this Mongolian death

46:26

from is the real deal. In

46:28

the 90s, there was a cryptozoologist

46:30

named Carl Shucker, super. And he

46:32

wrote about the Mongolian death worm, which I

46:35

gotta tell you, I went to his website,

46:37

I'm sorry, his blog spot. And

46:41

I don't know if I

46:44

don't, he's got one of

46:46

those websites where it looks like it hasn't been

46:48

updated since the 90s. And it makes me trust

46:50

the veracity of anything on there.

46:53

Yeah, he's not really up on like, he's

46:55

still on the information super highway. He hasn't

46:58

quite gotten to like modern day. He hasn't

47:00

found his exit. Yeah, you

47:02

know, I feel like it's also

47:04

paired with the fact that he's a cryptozoologist, which,

47:07

you know, most people would

47:09

immediately get a little science. Yeah,

47:11

yeah, yeah. I feel like if

47:13

you're gonna be into like something that a lot

47:15

of people see as bunk science, you got to

47:17

have the most professional looking shit to like, yeah,

47:20

yeah, unfortunately, probably have to overcompensate. Yeah,

47:23

yeah, he did not do that. But he

47:25

did write about the Mongolian death worm. He said

47:27

that its name in Mongolia is I'm

47:30

gonna butcher it, but old boy,

47:32

core koi. But apparently

47:34

that translates to intestine worm,

47:36

which now I'm confused. Because

47:39

I thought the intestine is

47:41

the only thing they don't fuck with. So now why

47:43

are they calling it? Like the one

47:45

thing I don't fuck with this fish, can you imagine

47:47

if everyone just called me like the fish person? I'd

47:49

be like, it's like, fuck you for getting me. Like

47:51

now you're just being mean. Yeah, I

47:53

was like, pick anything else. Anything. Yeah,

47:56

I eat eyeballs. You know that about me.

48:01

What's your thing? Mine is

48:05

like disembodied feet and stuff. Oh,

48:08

a torso. A torso. Imagine if you were known

48:10

as a torso girl. Absolutely not. Intestin

48:13

worm. It's the same thing. It's

48:15

not nice. Well, apparently it's called

48:17

intestine worm for a completely

48:20

different reason, which is that it gets

48:22

its name because apparently the Mongolian death

48:24

room is bright blood red color. And

48:28

it looks like a colon, essentially.

48:31

Ew. It only looks like this

48:33

because this is proof that the versions

48:35

of this have evolved or devolved over

48:37

the years. Apparently the

48:40

news story is that the Mongolian death worm

48:42

lays eggs only in the colons of camels.

48:46

And so to lay the eggs there, it has to hang

48:49

out in the colon. So it becomes the

48:52

color of the colon. And that's why it

48:54

looks like intestines. Which

48:57

that does confirm your thing earlier of yes,

48:59

colon and intestines. Yeah, okay. Hand in hand.

49:03

But apparently the Mongolian death worms are known to

49:05

adapt to the color of their environment, of

49:08

the environment where they're hatched. So when they're born, what

49:10

their environment looks like is the color that they

49:12

look like. And a lot of them

49:14

are born in the colons of animals. So

49:16

they all are colon colored. This

49:19

also feels like just what a new age 10-year-old came

49:21

up with. What is even happening?

49:23

Yeah, this 10-year-old has lost me. I'm sorry.

49:27

I lost the plot a long time ago, but I'm

49:29

still – Okay, big worm. Okay. This is

49:31

starting to get a little convoluted even for

49:33

me. Really? It gets worse.

49:35

So – Oh, good. And

49:37

by the way, just more evidence that this thing

49:40

is probably a mess is that parasitic worms

49:42

need to be eaten to get into digestive

49:44

tracts. And if this thing is so poisonous,

49:46

the second it touches your mouth, the animal would drop dead.

49:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to know how it

49:51

gets in there. Unless maybe they're

49:53

getting in – I don't want

49:55

to know, I said. I don't want to know. Okay. Don't

49:58

say it. I'm just saying. But

50:00

I'm not saying. But don't. Other

50:04

descriptions of the Mongolian death worm is that,

50:06

oh, it's not actually red like the color

50:08

of intestines. It's actually very pale, similarly like

50:11

the maggot version of it at the beginning

50:13

of the Indus worm history. So

50:15

either it looks like maggots or your intestines.

50:18

I can't decide which is worse.

50:21

It also apparently now can be up to five

50:23

feet long and as thick as a human arm.

50:27

It also has no mouth, no

50:29

nose, no eyes. Does it

50:32

still have the two teeth? I

50:34

don't know. Allegedly,

50:36

this thing is now so poisonous that not

50:38

only can you not look at it, not

50:41

only can you not touch it, but if

50:43

you walk on ground that its oils have

50:45

secreted out of, you will die. Yes.

50:49

What? So it's been said that

50:52

the Mongolian death worm is the reason for entire

50:54

herds of camels dropping dead all in

50:56

one spot and it's thought that they

50:58

must have walked over a hiding worm

51:01

who was secreting its oils and their little

51:03

toes touched it. Oh, that's sad.

51:07

So now it's like that's even further into

51:09

the like, well, I don't have to see it for it

51:11

to kill me. Right. It's

51:13

like getting there intestines if a camel

51:15

steps on its secretions and dies. That

51:17

makes sense. Yeah. If its

51:19

toe touched it and it's dead, how on earth can it get

51:21

into this tummy? I'm so proud of our logic. Look how like

51:24

we're so staunchly like, list doesn't

51:26

make sense. Yeah. I am

51:28

a critical thinker at heart. So I'm

51:30

pretty impressed by that. You're doing a really good job.

51:33

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53:52

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53:54

name? Brad was walking around one day

53:56

and he was poking the ground

53:58

with an iron rod. Why? I

54:00

don't know. It seems like I would do.

54:02

We've been there. I've done that. Or

54:04

I mean, he's a geologist. Maybe he was like, yeah, yeah. Apparently

54:09

he hasn't poked for that long because he drops dead. And

54:12

instead of like thinking heart

54:14

attack, stroke, aneurysm, no.

54:17

Apparently they think that a giant worm

54:19

happened to be where he was standing

54:21

and he was just underground. Brad

54:24

happened to be near it and

54:27

oils wise. It

54:29

went through his shoes into him. Okay.

54:33

So this led to a new theory that

54:36

another 10 year old must have come up with

54:38

because it's that the worms produce electricity and

54:41

they conduct it. They

54:44

were conducting it. And when he put his

54:46

little iron rod down on the ground, he

54:48

must have conducted electricity from their oils or

54:50

from their actual body into himself.

54:53

And it would also explain. Rod like

54:55

a lightning rod. And it would also explain why

54:58

all the camels dropped dead at once because they

55:00

must have been electrocuted with their metal legs, I

55:02

guess. Sure.

55:06

Maybe they were wearing horse shoes. Maybe

55:08

the camels were wearing horse shoes. And maybe

55:10

the horses were wearing camel shoes. Okay. Okay.

55:12

You know what I mean? Maybe they had

55:14

like those metal like plates on them. You know,

55:16

I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I have no idea. You

55:20

know, maybe I don't know. What the fuck do I know

55:22

about camels? None of this makes sense. So I don't know

55:25

why I'm trying to explain any of it. It's ridiculous. Well,

55:27

the defense for the Mongolian

55:30

death worm is electrically charged is because

55:32

if it's a worm

55:34

that's electric, electric yields

55:36

exist and they can create

55:38

a charge up to 600 volts that have

55:40

killed people. Okay. In

55:44

very different ways, like direct contact,

55:46

but you know, and through water,

55:48

which is through water. Yeah.

55:51

Okay. Well, okay. Also,

55:53

apparently there's, there's a new thing where

55:56

if you get too close to a

55:58

worm, it will spew just like. the

56:00

most intense acid ever at you.

56:03

Okay, well that's no good. With

56:06

great accuracy by the way and it

56:08

immediately burns your flesh off and you

56:11

turn yellow? That part I don't understand.

56:13

We're just creating things here. Now we're

56:15

just winging it. There

56:17

is a warning that if you are to

56:19

be anywhere near southern Mongolia and you are

56:21

afraid of a death worm attack, high-risk

56:24

times for these attacks happen to be in

56:26

the hotter months because like I can feel

56:29

Allison booking her plane ticket right now for

56:31

July and you and I are gonna

56:33

be like mother. It's

56:35

like she knows in advance what's gonna

56:37

really get our anxiety like through

56:39

the fucking roof. It's starting

56:41

to feel intentional right? Oh absolutely. I

56:44

don't doubt like you're on to something

56:46

here. It's intentional for sure. It's

56:48

like when I said I thought she was a nice Jewish boy

56:50

but she's got a little evil streak to

56:52

her. She's like I actually you've already got

56:55

a wonky heart. Let's wipe that candle. Let's

56:57

put the fire. Let's poke it with a

56:59

big stick. Why not see what happens? She's

57:02

like I got a house out of you so you know. She's

57:06

not wrong. I feel like I

57:09

was trying to explain it to somebody else. I

57:11

was comparing you and Allison. I was like

57:13

you know they make sense as friends because

57:15

I was I this was in the middle of

57:17

me using my nice Jewish boy. Yeah yeah yeah.

57:20

I was like I feel like Allison is

57:22

90% nice Jewish boy and 10% catastrophe. And

57:25

I was like and Christine is 90% catastrophe but

57:28

10% nice Jewish boy. Okay

57:30

now we're talking. And I think the two

57:32

of you make a perfect little hug. That's

57:35

so beautiful Em. Yeah.

57:37

I like that. Yeah. And

57:39

by catastrophe by the way I mean only catastrophic

57:42

to my wants and needs. What's that for?

57:44

Oh to you specifically. Absolutely. Yeah I know. I

57:46

doubt that for a moment. Yeah. It makes sense

57:48

why I like you and I like her because

57:50

you're both in the middle. Yeah

57:53

again the hugs. You're right in

57:55

the middle of this hug that you didn't ask for. Yeah

57:57

Now describe me. Never mind. Don't. I

58:03

took a deep breath, but. Film

58:07

at some ah. Another

58:09

story of the deer Bratton the geologist

58:11

in the a getting electrocuted. Okay, So

58:13

then oh so it's new thing is now

58:15

Kansas but acid at you are again. How

58:17

about we know that if you can't even

58:19

look at it, how would we know this

58:21

on a yellow tinted person on the floor

58:23

with no flesh I guess and thought but

58:26

I know amp and here. Interesting.

58:29

Okay, sure, let's just make that

58:31

fact because. One, I had this fi anything

58:33

to be real. This.

58:35

Is where I was saying the high

58:38

risk time for attack be where are

58:40

the hotter months because just like any

58:42

other reptile it comes out on. To

58:44

put it's Tommy on the the warm

58:46

Sam's Right sounds ah June and July.

58:48

Apparently those the worst times. I

58:50

feel like the poor like people who work like. In

58:52

Mongolia or like what happened of the tourists and

58:54

June July what's going on and every effort. For.

58:57

Hims ongoing another out the second were death from

58:59

know and go in there. Any more success than.

59:02

A win, win, So

59:05

you're at June July. That's when they come

59:07

out. You have been warned but also have

59:09

you I like. I'm more. I'm confused about

59:12

Lake. So. You can't see

59:14

them further underground, but at least you're alive because you're

59:16

not looking at. Them. And dropping that right? But as

59:18

their outs I guess if you see them that's

59:20

a make them more dangerous or that you're more

59:22

prone to Attackers are not underground. If.

59:27

Is a you know and states ever like

59:29

if you to be walking around in just

59:31

accidentally step over one and die If you

59:33

could be. Run into one and see

59:35

one and die as he saw. One and it's

59:37

sprayed you if you are into it out.

59:39

the grocery store company share of it as

59:41

a candy section. And. Aids is

59:44

like Sam you know of is no

59:46

one stays, I don't even know And

59:48

another ranking of dangers here. Whoa.

59:51

So now apparently the warm can also

59:53

travel under the. San Soekarna like in those movies

59:55

where he would see like a lump on to the

59:57

ground moving around. oh yeah yeah

1:00:00

That's apparently a sign of apparently

1:00:04

a Mongolian death from being nearby. So

1:00:06

you can watch them move and allegedly

1:00:08

they have a favorite snack, speaking of

1:00:11

their candy aisle. They

1:00:13

like to get near

1:00:16

black saxxles and

1:00:19

goyo plants. Those are two different types of

1:00:21

plants. So if

1:00:24

it's just rains or if they're like, I guess, thriving,

1:00:27

avoid those plants. Actually

1:00:30

this is how they draw their poison directly

1:00:32

from the roots of either plants to kill

1:00:34

you. But neither of those plants are

1:00:36

poisonous and they're actually used in a lot of medicine.

1:00:41

I did look up the goyo plant

1:00:43

and that thing seems to fucking cure

1:00:45

everything. It actually sounds like if

1:00:47

this thing went to spray goyo plant secretions at

1:00:50

me, I would let it. You'd

1:00:52

probably get fixed, yeah. Finally. Apparently

1:00:55

it's actually prohibited from collecting, I

1:00:57

guess because it's so sought after.

1:00:59

Oh, interesting. Okay. Maybe

1:01:01

this is just all them deployed to stay away from those

1:01:04

plants. The big worms eat them. You

1:01:06

know, it's like the park rangers got bored

1:01:08

and they were like, how do we get

1:01:10

people to stay the fuck away from those

1:01:12

plants? You can keep these fucking plants alone.

1:01:14

Let's create centuries old giant monsters

1:01:16

so that way they do as well. It

1:01:20

obviously works because apparently goyo plants are

1:01:22

kicking. They're doing a good job over there. But

1:01:25

they treat... There's

1:01:27

just some of them. High

1:01:29

blood pressure, diabetes, rheumatism, headaches,

1:01:31

dizziness, joint pain, hepatitis, organ

1:01:33

inflammation, constipation, stomach cramps, knee,

1:01:35

kidney, and back pain, and

1:01:38

improved sexual function. Wow. It's

1:01:41

like just... So please, bathe

1:01:43

me in goyo

1:01:46

plant. You'd probably be allergic to

1:01:48

it just knowing how our lives work. It's like

1:01:50

knowing how our lives work, you'd probably immediately break out in times.

1:01:52

They'd be like, sorry, you have a rare allergy to this plant.

1:01:56

So apparently when it

1:01:58

does choose to spray poison... you it the

1:02:00

worm doesn't spray it but it lifts half of

1:02:03

its body off the ground puffs

1:02:05

up and apparently there's like

1:02:07

this elevated end like this like bulb that

1:02:10

fills with poison and it bursts

1:02:12

and shoots you know and

1:02:14

apparently doesn't harm the monk I if

1:02:16

something burst on me I'd be have to go to

1:02:18

the hospital apparently not a

1:02:22

pimple so maybe it's like a pimple because it just kind

1:02:24

of closes itself up yeah apparently this

1:02:26

poison that like it builds that builds

1:02:28

up in it or this acid that

1:02:30

builds up in it is so bad

1:02:32

that it will burn to death anything

1:02:34

it touches and it can even corrode

1:02:36

metal oh my lord remember

1:02:38

this thing does not have a mouth so

1:02:40

why is it doing this because if it's

1:02:42

doing it to kill prey but it can't

1:02:44

eat you can't eat it what so

1:02:47

like why are we how does it eat plants I

1:02:49

think it just rubs up on like the roots

1:02:51

of the plant and like has like its oils

1:02:53

and their oils kind of make a baby

1:02:56

I don't know anything so

1:02:59

anyway there's another mystery for you if it

1:03:01

has no mouth why is it even killing

1:03:03

these people but there are those

1:03:05

that say the worm does kill prey and it does

1:03:08

have the intent to eat so I guess those people

1:03:10

think it still has a mouth and

1:03:12

it's too stupid teeth but

1:03:15

how it consumes is

1:03:18

a mystery I would guess through the second mouth

1:03:20

you're claiming it has but okay and

1:03:23

maybe there's according to some people maybe

1:03:25

it has long sharp spikes protruding from

1:03:27

either end of its body yikes some

1:03:30

people also say it might

1:03:33

have a mouth that's like one of those circular teeth

1:03:36

like it's like a like a demogorgon or

1:03:38

some shit or one of those like underwater

1:03:40

creatures this whole time so I guess okay

1:03:42

great kind of yeah that's how I've been

1:03:44

picturing it unfortunately well that's how people

1:03:47

imagine like if it seems to have

1:03:49

no limbs and it seems to like

1:03:51

have no features on it

1:03:53

where would its mouth be apparently

1:03:55

those types of mouths like like

1:03:58

have a certain seal that when they open and

1:04:00

close you can't even see them so it's like a secret mouth and

1:04:03

so people think it

1:04:05

might have a secret mouth this would also

1:04:07

suggest if it has secret mouth it

1:04:09

might also have secret eyes secret nose secret

1:04:11

other things secret other

1:04:14

organs and

1:04:17

apparently it might just open and close in a way

1:04:19

that is that we can't see but then again how

1:04:22

could we see it to begin with if looking at

1:04:24

it kills us that I'm so over that that's so

1:04:26

annoying so cryptozoologists who

1:04:30

were literally inspired by the way

1:04:32

by the Dune series yeah

1:04:35

who has gigantic sandworms these

1:04:38

cryptozoologists suggest that maybe Mongolian death

1:04:40

worms are also just attracted to

1:04:42

vibrations like the giant sandworms so

1:04:46

one team even tried proving this by bringing

1:04:48

out this huge heavy vibrating machine that thumped

1:04:50

on the ground to attract Mongolian death worms

1:04:53

no luck can you guess and

1:04:55

then so then

1:04:57

their thought was like well maybe it is still attractive

1:05:00

to vibrations but just not a pattern we know about

1:05:02

okay like we are really digging our heels yeah we're

1:05:04

pushing this a little far I'm just saying

1:05:08

other cryptozoologists have even set off explosives

1:05:11

under the ground to try to flush

1:05:13

out the worms usually

1:05:17

I would say that's not humane but it didn't work

1:05:19

so whatever well and also like there's probably other animals

1:05:21

down there just like stop blowing shit you know what

1:05:23

I mean like just stop blowing shit up yeah and

1:05:25

can't be good for the environment either just like no

1:05:28

I would doubt I would it would think not yeah

1:05:30

some believe that the Mongolian death worm once

1:05:32

existed exactly as described okay some people say

1:05:34

that it's just folklore others say that maybe

1:05:36

it's based on spiritual encounters I mean if

1:05:39

you're out in the the desert maybe like

1:05:41

you just had like a moment and you

1:05:43

thought you saw something or you were meditating

1:05:45

and something came to you and one

1:05:49

theory is that Mongolian death worms

1:05:51

are a real animal because the

1:05:53

Gobi desert covers half a million

1:05:55

square miles so it could just be

1:05:57

a rare animal it could be an

1:05:59

animal that earlier generations

1:06:02

know about and have passed it on and over

1:06:04

time it just kind of became more of a

1:06:06

folklore than a real experience. So we

1:06:09

have no idea. But some

1:06:11

say if it did exist it would look today

1:06:13

like a legless lizard, which excuse me that's still

1:06:15

a fucking worm. Yeah,

1:06:18

true. With the abilities

1:06:20

similar to a spitting cobra that sprays

1:06:22

acid to protect itself. Yeah. So

1:06:26

anyway, that is the Mongolian death

1:06:28

worm. What the fuck in the

1:06:30

fucking fuck? I like, wow.

1:06:33

I mean, like you've covered stories before where it's

1:06:35

kind of, oh, this is a hoax

1:06:37

or like somebody believed it, but then

1:06:40

like only two people have ever seen

1:06:42

it before like the squonk, you

1:06:44

know, but this one seems like people are

1:06:46

people are after this fucking thing. Like they

1:06:48

want to find this damn worm. And I'm

1:06:51

like, don't why? This also shows you like

1:06:53

how silly

1:06:55

human beings can be because like all I did

1:06:57

was just described that like, if this thing exists,

1:07:00

your only story

1:07:02

afterwards is I died. Like, yes.

1:07:05

Why do you want to like a lose lose, you know,

1:07:07

I don't know. Whatever.

1:07:10

I do not know. Naturalist be

1:07:12

naturalism name. So anyway, I

1:07:15

amen, sister. Amen. And

1:07:17

I've always said that as I like

1:07:19

to say, always. Okay, so I have

1:07:21

a story for you. And I'm very

1:07:23

excited to tell you this one because

1:07:25

it is quite

1:07:28

a doozy. It's a mystery, but we do get

1:07:30

an answer at the end. So it's almost like best

1:07:32

of both worlds. Oh my goodness. So

1:07:35

it's a temporary mystery. It's a temporary

1:07:37

mystery. You get to be a mysterious by

1:07:39

the end. So I

1:07:42

first heard about the story on Red Handed. They did

1:07:44

a really good episode on it. So that was episode

1:07:46

322 of their show. If anyone wants to go listen

1:07:48

to them talk about it, they did a really

1:07:50

good job. This

1:07:53

story takes place in Southeast

1:07:55

Texas in a town called

1:07:57

Beaumont. And Beaumont

1:07:59

is a city of roughly 112,000 people.

1:08:03

It's relatively small compared to many US

1:08:05

cities, but it does have a disproportionately

1:08:07

high crime rate with violent and property

1:08:09

crime rates both well above the national

1:08:12

average as of 2020. And

1:08:15

some real estate crime rating websites

1:08:17

place Beaumont in the first percentile

1:08:19

for crime. Holy shit. Yeah,

1:08:22

99% of US cities,

1:08:24

quote unquote, safer than Beaumont. But

1:08:27

as we know, especially doing this show and listening

1:08:30

to the show and any true crime, the idea is

1:08:32

somebody would

1:08:37

more likely perhaps experience a violent or property

1:08:39

crime in Beaumont than almost anywhere else in

1:08:42

the US at the same time. Flat

1:08:44

statistics don't really tell

1:08:47

the future. So maybe you'll have a wonderful day

1:08:49

in Beaumont and then go to your home in

1:08:51

the suburbs and get

1:08:53

a title. Who knows? Or you can buy a house in

1:08:55

Beaumont. Or you can just do your

1:08:57

thing and not even... You just do whatever you

1:09:00

want. Just do what you want.

1:09:02

However, I say all this to give

1:09:04

you the idea that Beaumont has a

1:09:06

pretty rough reputation in that area, right?

1:09:09

So people will know of Beaumont as

1:09:11

a high crime area. But Greg Fleniken,

1:09:15

who's the primary character of

1:09:17

our story today, he liked

1:09:19

Beaumont. He was comfortable there. He didn't

1:09:21

live there. However, he spent many nights

1:09:24

in town for work. This is a

1:09:26

regular... It almost became a home away

1:09:28

from home, the hotel he stayed out

1:09:30

there. And the hotel was called the

1:09:32

MCM Elegante. Oh my God.

1:09:36

Excellent tante. Ooh, la

1:09:38

la, excellent tante, elegant tante. So

1:09:41

he would always stay at the MCM

1:09:44

Elegante Hotel for work. It was his

1:09:46

home away from home. And

1:09:48

just a little bit about Greg before we get into

1:09:50

the story. So Greg

1:09:52

was born Gregory Joseph Fleniken in 1954. He

1:09:54

was a very adventurous person.

1:09:58

He loved to travel. He

1:10:01

loved animals. He would take care of the

1:10:03

stray cats in the neighborhood. He

1:10:05

was also a skilled hunter and fisherman

1:10:07

who harvested for food and not trophies.

1:10:10

He would often feed his family

1:10:13

and friends and even neighbors with

1:10:15

the catches from his fishing and

1:10:17

hunting. And it was said

1:10:19

that he loved water. He loved the woods.

1:10:21

Just like a very outdoorsy kind of middle-aged

1:10:24

man, essentially, named Greg. Like

1:10:26

you can picture him. I know

1:10:28

exactly what he looks like. Yeah. You get the

1:10:30

idea. So for a time he

1:10:32

worked as the chief engineer on ocean ships where

1:10:35

he would often spend months out at sea. And

1:10:38

as for his love life, he had actually

1:10:40

met Susie when they were in their 20s,

1:10:42

and they immediately fell for each other. She

1:10:46

was a singer in a rock band,

1:10:48

and she thought Greg was the kindest

1:10:50

person she'd ever met. And

1:10:53

then they kind of... I like her. She's also like a bad girl. She's

1:10:57

like a rock star? Oh my gosh.

1:10:59

Oh my gosh. He's just at home

1:11:01

tending to the cats. Aw,

1:11:04

the stray cats. It's kind of like you

1:11:06

and Blaze, you know? It is. I'm just

1:11:08

jet-setting, you know? Yeah, he's just...

1:11:10

He's just... He's just tending

1:11:12

to the cats. Catch and releasing, you know? Yeah,

1:11:14

yeah. Same old, same old. So

1:11:17

actually, they met in their 20s, really

1:11:19

liked each other, then they ended up going

1:11:21

their separate ways for a while. And it

1:11:23

wasn't until years later when they were remarried

1:11:26

and then divorced that they

1:11:29

reconnected. Oh my gosh. Wow. A

1:11:31

long story. Yeah, they like... I know.

1:11:33

So they went and had their own

1:11:35

lives, married, separate people. And

1:11:38

then years later, they got back

1:11:40

in touch, and their love was the

1:11:42

same as it was in their 20s. I

1:11:46

know. It's a nice love story. And everyone who knew

1:11:48

them said they just adored each other. They were a

1:11:50

very happy couple. So when

1:11:52

Greg and Susie got back together, he

1:11:54

kind of settled down a bit. He

1:11:56

left the sea faring behind and decided...

1:12:00

and all that seafaring, he decided to

1:12:02

get into work with his brother, Michael,

1:12:04

and go into business with him. So

1:12:07

what they did is they ran a

1:12:09

land management business. They dealt with minimal

1:12:11

rights, they dealt

1:12:13

with mineral rights easements, that

1:12:16

old thing, that old chestnut. As

1:12:18

that old chestnut, oh wow. Wow,

1:12:21

okay. Really took it to another

1:12:23

level. I did. Between

1:12:25

private properties in the oil and gas

1:12:27

industry, I don't know what

1:12:29

the hell it means, but I imagine in Texas there's a lot of this

1:12:32

kind of work. And when he

1:12:34

would go home, he lived actually in

1:12:36

Lafayette, Louisiana, and he and Susie, get

1:12:38

this, ran a bed and breakfast together.

1:12:43

Okay, I know you're gonna make

1:12:45

me just heartbroken because at

1:12:47

some point someone's gonna get hurt. But

1:12:50

currently, their life feels like a

1:12:52

Lifetime movie. Yes it

1:12:55

does, oh yes. Oh, you know me, just like a

1:12:57

young sailor, just

1:12:59

whatever the ocean version of jet

1:13:01

setting is. Yeah, jet

1:13:04

sea setting. And then I've got me a

1:13:06

cute little rock star waiting for me. And

1:13:08

at the other end she's like, oh

1:13:10

there's this pirate boy, he's so

1:13:12

nice, he's so nice. I'm gonna

1:13:14

stand on my balcony

1:13:16

with a white handkerchief and wait for him to

1:13:18

come home from sea. And he actually comes

1:13:20

home and she does not become a lady in white. And

1:13:23

then you put them in a

1:13:25

time machine, you see where they end up. And they're

1:13:27

just running a bed and breakfast together, kissing, holding hands.

1:13:29

That's not the most happily ever after thing you've ever

1:13:31

heard, yeah. So

1:13:33

can we end the story here? Yeah, I wish, I

1:13:36

fucking wish, that would be nice. Greg

1:13:39

and Susie, they ran this bed and breakfast in

1:13:41

Lafayette. They loved hosting people from all around

1:13:43

the world. They met people from all walks

1:13:45

of life. But Greg worked so much that

1:13:47

he would pretty much just spend his weekends

1:13:49

at home. And then weekdays and

1:13:51

nights would be spent in Texas, in Beaumont, which

1:13:53

was about two hours away. And that's where his

1:13:56

business with Michael was based. So he was kind

1:13:58

of just going back and forth. And

1:14:00

there, like I said, Greg was

1:14:03

a regular guest at the MCM

1:14:05

Elegante Hotel, where he had what

1:14:07

people described as a very, very

1:14:09

predictable routine. Here's what

1:14:11

happened. Every evening after work,

1:14:13

he would return to his room, his hotel room.

1:14:16

He never stopped at the hotel bar.

1:14:18

He didn't, like, socialize in the lobby

1:14:20

with other guests. Nobody ever visited his

1:14:22

room. He just stayed in for the

1:14:25

night, watched a movie, and he even

1:14:27

had his own little idiosyncrasies. He

1:14:31

was very tidy in his hotel room, so

1:14:33

he would put his dirty clothes

1:14:35

in the closet, he would hang up all his clean

1:14:37

shirts, and then he would live out

1:14:39

of his suitcase with the rest. But

1:14:42

he was also a big smoker, and

1:14:44

so what he would do is he

1:14:46

would set up this little movie-watching situation

1:14:49

in bed. And so

1:14:51

he would get a hand towel from the

1:14:53

bathroom, and he would use it as, like,

1:14:55

a placemat, and then he would get his

1:14:57

candy on one side, an ashtray, his cigarettes,

1:14:59

the TV remote, like everything all set

1:15:02

up. And then he would turn the

1:15:04

air conditioner all the way up and

1:15:06

watch a movie before bed. This was,

1:15:08

like, his routine every time. Nearly, roughly.

1:15:11

I know, I know. There's nothing

1:15:13

I love more than being in a hotel that's too cold

1:15:15

near under those blankets. And

1:15:17

you just, like, don't have anywhere to be of the

1:15:19

best feeling. Wait, question. Do you like being a little

1:15:21

too cold or a little too hot? I

1:15:25

kind of hate both. I always

1:15:27

say I prefer to be hot, but as I

1:15:29

get older, I'm like, maybe that's not true. I

1:15:31

don't know. I prefer to be hot? I thought

1:15:34

we were going to, like, bond over something. No,

1:15:36

everybody says that I'm a freak for that, but,

1:15:38

like, I just hate being cold. I hate being

1:15:40

cold. I can't function when I'm cold. The

1:15:43

idea of being at all

1:15:45

warm, at all, is just

1:15:47

the sickest torture you could put me through. It's

1:15:49

funny, because the other day I was like, why

1:15:52

am I freaking out? And it's because I had,

1:15:54

like, one extra layer on and I was just,

1:15:56

like, slightly too hot. And I was like, okay,

1:15:58

I think I'm, like, developing more sensory. issues

1:16:00

as I get older because like now

1:16:02

I cannot handle being too warm but I think

1:16:05

when I was when I was helping our friend move

1:16:07

in there was

1:16:09

also like a little too hot in her

1:16:12

apartment because like the body heat of us you

1:16:14

know like moving in and out and

1:16:17

I was like oh yeah like you don't I

1:16:19

asked the same question I was like oh is it like you

1:16:21

don't notice this she's like no I usually I

1:16:23

usually like prefer to like run a little hot and I was

1:16:25

like I

1:16:28

didn't even I was like I I don't think I

1:16:30

have a response I'm just grossed out. If the option

1:16:32

is like oh the AC

1:16:34

up and you're under the covers or like

1:16:37

you're hot I

1:16:39

would choose AC with under the covers but I

1:16:41

don't like to be cold with no option to

1:16:43

get warm like I hate sure I can't

1:16:46

function okay I'll rephrase the question

1:16:48

if you're in an apartment and

1:16:50

you and someone else

1:16:52

is in charge of the temperature are you hoping

1:16:54

at least I hope it's a little colder okay thank

1:16:56

you I don't even know if I've forced you to say

1:16:59

that but I'm glad you know no no no no no

1:17:01

I don't I don't know no because

1:17:03

there there's nothing I hate

1:17:05

more than like feeling tacky or sweaty

1:17:08

or like there's like a film on

1:17:10

my forehead yeah oh my god

1:17:12

and like at least like outside

1:17:14

I would prefer to be hot than cold

1:17:17

no because I've just stand outside for a long

1:17:19

time no because then it's sweater weather what

1:17:22

are you talking about you could always layer up

1:17:24

and look cozy that's what it says that but

1:17:26

then you're still fucking cold and miserable you're wearing

1:17:28

the wrong sweatshirt son okay here's the thing if

1:17:31

it's too chilly then you

1:17:33

at least can always warm up but if it's

1:17:35

too hot everyone says that I don't I don't

1:17:38

agree I don't agree because there are times I'm

1:17:40

like I'm just fucking cold to my bones and

1:17:42

I hate it I just

1:17:45

I just usually respect everything you

1:17:47

say and today no you don't

1:17:50

not not about that but

1:17:52

I try I certainly found a new winner I

1:17:54

certainly said okay so that one I mean listen

1:17:56

I could list them for you I know exactly

1:17:58

what's gonna I I would never say that to you

1:18:00

because I know full well you would not have appreciated it.

1:18:02

But now here we are we finally come to

1:18:05

this crossroads now you know. Oh

1:18:07

man no there's nothing I love more than a little chill because

1:18:09

I'm like oh cuz then eventually enough

1:18:11

layers are going to worm you. Yes

1:18:13

but a little chill is not what I'm talking about I'm

1:18:16

saying I don't like to be fucking freezing cold. Oh

1:18:18

no this whole time I'm talking about chill. You

1:18:20

need to move back to a town where it

1:18:22

gets fucking cold and then we'll talk again about

1:18:24

being cold cold. And layers

1:18:27

because sometimes layers are not enough. Just

1:18:30

saying. You say what

1:18:32

you want my wrong little friend. All right

1:18:35

fine when we get our car in another

1:18:37

snowbank then we'll talk. Okay. Like

1:18:39

seriously. All

1:18:41

right let's see what's next. Right

1:18:44

so he like to keep his room cold

1:18:46

he like to have his little his little bath

1:18:48

mat from the little

1:18:51

hand towel for like a place mat.

1:18:53

Just all very kind of adorable little

1:18:55

little habits he had picked up over

1:18:57

the years. So the

1:18:59

evening of September 15 2010 no different. He

1:19:02

finishes up he goes to his room number 348.

1:19:06

He has with him a Reese's crispy

1:19:08

crunchy bar. He has a

1:19:10

root beer and he has his pack of cigarettes

1:19:12

and he is going to watch Iron Man 2.

1:19:15

Holy shit this is like a great night. Oh

1:19:17

I'm telling you you'd be friends. Oh my

1:19:19

God. He read

1:19:21

an email from Susie about filing

1:19:24

a tax extension and if you

1:19:26

needed another like Hallmark moment he

1:19:28

responded to her. You're doing great

1:19:31

babe. Man

1:19:34

he's really after my heart. This is

1:19:36

insane. Well unfortunately he would

1:19:38

never be heard from again. The

1:19:42

end. I thought you first. I

1:19:45

think I misunderstood because earlier when you said

1:19:47

the mystery was solved in my

1:19:49

mind. What you did say you did

1:19:51

not say this in my mind I heard everything's happy at

1:19:53

the end. Don't worry. Oh

1:19:55

well you did also just say someone's going to get hurt.

1:19:57

So you didn't know that was coming. I thought.

1:20:00

get hurt and then get healed. Oh shit.

1:20:02

No, sorry. No, no, there's no, there's not,

1:20:04

it's not happy ending. No, no, you

1:20:07

should know better than that. One

1:20:09

day you'll have a happy crime for me. You

1:20:12

keep telling yourself that whatever helps you sleep at

1:20:14

night. Uh, so anyway, he sends

1:20:16

Susie this nice little note. Unfortunately, he'd never

1:20:19

be heard from again because on September 16th,

1:20:21

the following day, Susie realized something was wrong

1:20:23

as soon as she started her day. She

1:20:25

and Greg, of course, being who they are

1:20:28

spoke every single morning when he was away

1:20:30

at work. And that morning

1:20:32

she did not receive a phone call. And because

1:20:34

he was such a creature of habit as we've

1:20:37

already determined, it was pretty hard to

1:20:39

imagine he would just forget out of the blue to

1:20:41

call her. And it was even more

1:20:43

unlike him to not answer when she called him, uh,

1:20:46

but he did not answer. So she

1:20:48

called his office in Beaumont to ask

1:20:50

after him. And unfortunately the news she

1:20:52

got was, uh, concerning.

1:20:54

Apparently Greg had not shown up for work that

1:20:57

morning. So she's getting

1:20:59

nervous. She talks to his colleagues. They agree. They're

1:21:01

going to go to the hotel to check on

1:21:03

him and they go to his room. They knock

1:21:05

on the door and there's no answer. So now

1:21:07

they're getting really worried. They find the

1:21:09

hotel manager and he agrees to let them into the

1:21:11

room to look for Greg. They

1:21:14

open the door and as they open the

1:21:16

door, they see Greg, he is inside right

1:21:18

near the door lying face down between the

1:21:20

bed and the door. Uh, there

1:21:23

is a cigarette, but between

1:21:25

his left hand fingers as

1:21:28

if he had collapsed mid

1:21:30

smoke on the ground. Yeah.

1:21:32

So paramedics responded quickly, but Greg

1:21:34

had unfortunately been dead for hours.

1:21:36

Um, it was reason

1:21:39

that he probably passed right after he

1:21:41

emailed Susie. Um, like you're doing

1:21:43

great babe. And oddly,

1:21:45

this is sort of

1:21:47

like a locked room mystery, you know, those like,

1:21:49

uh, kind of old timey, like

1:21:51

Sherlock Holmes desk locked room mysteries. That's sort

1:21:53

of like what this is. There

1:21:56

were no signs of a struggle or

1:21:58

violence in the room. Everything was exactly

1:22:00

as Greg left it, simple, tidy, nothing

1:22:02

was stolen. He had a couple

1:22:05

hundred dollars cash in his wallet, that was still

1:22:07

there. And when a detective arrived

1:22:09

an hour later, he thought everything looked perfectly

1:22:12

in order in the room. There

1:22:14

was a scrape on Greg's cheek, where

1:22:17

he hit the floor, but other than

1:22:19

that, there were no visible injuries to his

1:22:21

body whatsoever. So obviously there's no reason at

1:22:23

this point to suspect any foul play or

1:22:25

something out of the ordinary. The

1:22:28

only thing that Susie kind of noted being

1:22:30

off about the story that she was told

1:22:32

is that the air conditioner was turned off

1:22:34

when they found Greg and it was pretty

1:22:36

hot in there. Yeah, that

1:22:38

wouldn't fly with me. But I see it's I

1:22:40

so I was assuming it wouldn't fly with him.

1:22:42

But like, could it be he was on his

1:22:44

way to turn on the AC and

1:22:46

that's what he dropped dead. So good,

1:22:50

detecting. Let's, let's get into it. So

1:22:54

like we said, he liked a cool room and

1:22:56

Beaumont was pretty damn hot in September. But the

1:22:58

detective was like, well, that's just like a little

1:23:00

technicality, you know, the working

1:23:02

theory now being that Greg had a heart

1:23:04

attack, which made sense. He's a

1:23:06

lifelong smoker, he didn't particularly eat well,

1:23:08

you know, so he was

1:23:10

young, 55 years old. And this was

1:23:13

tragic. But he thought, well, it kind of adds

1:23:15

up. So the detective

1:23:17

kind of questioned some people in

1:23:19

nearby rooms, said, Yeah, this guy

1:23:21

died nearby. And everyone was kind

1:23:23

of horrified. And,

1:23:26

you know, it just seemed to click. His

1:23:30

even his own friend said, Yeah, it tracked

1:23:32

he was like we said, a smoker who

1:23:34

didn't exercise heart failure, like, is

1:23:37

sad and tragic, but it's not a shock. So

1:23:40

a childhood friend named Miles Martin, even

1:23:43

said in an interview, I thought, well, those

1:23:45

damn cigarettes finally snuck up on him. So

1:23:47

everyone had kind of accepted that this is

1:23:49

what had happened. There

1:23:51

was a little comfort as well, knowing that he

1:23:53

had lived his life the way he wanted. He

1:23:56

died happy, he died content, he died with his

1:23:59

crispy crunchy bar. And Susie said

1:24:01

that several times Greg had actually

1:24:03

heard about someone dying like very

1:24:05

suddenly and had said lucky bastard

1:24:07

That's how I want to go.

1:24:10

So it's sort of like right to comfort and

1:24:12

like maybe this is just a quick like Heart

1:24:15

failure. He didn't feel it sure or

1:24:17

suffered So they're kind

1:24:19

of grappling coming to terms with all this

1:24:21

his family Meanwhile Greg is transported to the

1:24:24

Jefferson County Medical Examiner for just the routine

1:24:26

autopsy but when the

1:24:28

medical examiner You know turned

1:24:31

in the report It

1:24:33

listed a shocking manner of death.

1:24:35

The manner of death was now listed as

1:24:37

homicide And

1:24:40

when they took a look it was

1:24:42

specifically homicide by blunt force trauma

1:24:46

Huh? So what happened is

1:24:48

during the autopsy the medical

1:24:50

examiner discovered a small laceration

1:24:52

on Greg's scrotum. Oh Oh

1:24:56

The entire area surrounding the laceration was

1:24:58

swollen and bruised all the way to

1:25:00

his hip Jesus

1:25:04

Next when he did the autopsy

1:25:06

and took a look inside of

1:25:08

Greg's body He noticed that Greg

1:25:10

had suffered massive internal damage To

1:25:13

his organs so something was like like someone beat the

1:25:15

shit out of him. That's what

1:25:17

it appeared So there were lacerations in his

1:25:19

liver his stomach his intestines. There was blood

1:25:21

in his abdomen There was

1:25:23

a hole in his heart which likely had

1:25:26

my first and it seemed as though this

1:25:28

had been a traumatic beating even two

1:25:30

of his ribs were broken this is like

1:25:32

the kind of Injury that they kind

1:25:34

of described as like a car crash would

1:25:36

cause you know, like it's it's very very

1:25:40

extensive internal damage The

1:25:43

chest injury alone would have killed him even without

1:25:46

like the abdomen and blood in the abdomen and

1:25:48

the groin all that So

1:25:50

the conclusion became well someone clearly beat Greg

1:25:52

to death So the

1:25:54

medical examiner imagined that a really hard kick

1:25:57

to the groin with steel toed work boots

1:25:59

could have caused that damage, but they could

1:26:01

not figure out like how the rest of

1:26:03

the damage would have occurred because outwardly

1:26:06

there was not much visible damage to

1:26:08

his body like his chest, his stomach.

1:26:12

Even though his internal injuries were consistent

1:26:14

with like a car crash or being crushed by

1:26:16

something really heavy, the outward signs

1:26:18

of his body didn't show that. So that

1:26:21

was the first mystery. The second mystery was who

1:26:23

the hell wanted to kill this guy so badly

1:26:25

and like so brutally? Yeah. So

1:26:28

they talked to everybody that Greg knew

1:26:30

essentially and it left

1:26:33

the detective scratching his head because Greg

1:26:35

basically had no enemies. He was well

1:26:37

liked at work. His family loved him,

1:26:39

his friends loved him. He hadn't really

1:26:41

burned many bridges in life. He'd

1:26:43

never done anything with

1:26:46

untoward groups or anything like that. In fact,

1:26:49

he was like the kind of person who

1:26:52

wanted everyone to like him

1:26:54

and had a lot of

1:26:56

friends and nobody had a bad word to say about

1:26:58

him. The next mystery

1:27:00

was well how did they even have

1:27:02

the opportunity to pull this off? Whoever

1:27:05

it is and however they did it,

1:27:07

this couldn't have been a silent event,

1:27:10

right? So how had nobody heard anything?

1:27:12

Yeah. There were these two electricians staying

1:27:14

in the room right next door, 349,

1:27:18

and they were actually staying there because there

1:27:21

was this like I guess

1:27:23

electrician's conference going on. I love

1:27:25

that. I know. And so they

1:27:27

would stay and when Red Hand had covered this

1:27:29

they talked about going to like some crime meetup

1:27:31

and in the same bar as the through crime

1:27:34

meetup they went to in London there

1:27:36

was an Undertaker convention

1:27:39

happening. That's so perfect.

1:27:41

Wow. I was like

1:27:43

weirdly hand in hand. What a night. Anyway,

1:27:46

so they had heard someone coughing that they said

1:27:48

like no we were here all night. We did

1:27:50

not hear like a brawl, a fight, anything like

1:27:53

that. The only

1:27:55

thing that was noted however in the logs

1:27:57

is that a handyman had visited the room

1:28:00

to fix a circuit breaker

1:28:02

because Greg was microwaving his

1:28:04

popcorn and he blew

1:28:06

the circuit. So

1:28:09

they thought, well, this handyman, we got to look into

1:28:11

this guy. He's one of the only people who were,

1:28:13

who was face to face with Greg and maybe was

1:28:15

the last person to ever see Greg alive. So

1:28:18

they find this handyman and the story

1:28:20

they figure out is that the handyman

1:28:23

had gone to the room around 830

1:28:25

and had fixed the circuit

1:28:28

breaker and moved on and

1:28:30

he, unfortunately for police, had an ironclad

1:28:32

alibi for the rest of the night. So it was

1:28:34

basically a dead end. But they can't confirm at least

1:28:36

that, oh, this guy was alive at 830. Live

1:28:40

at 830 and that it explains why

1:28:42

the air conditioner was off because when

1:28:44

the breaker went out, the air conditioning set off and

1:28:47

he may have forgotten to turn it back on before

1:28:49

he got it. Or not even noticed right away. Not

1:28:51

noticed right away. And then by the time

1:28:53

it got super hot in the room, he had

1:28:55

already passed. So that was like,

1:28:58

like you said, just like a clue of the

1:29:00

timeline and how this AC might

1:29:02

have, why this AC might've been off. The

1:29:06

microwave also incidentally blew a circuit in

1:29:08

the electrician's room next door. And

1:29:11

they also. They know how to handle that. I

1:29:13

was going to say of all people to experience

1:29:15

that they're like someone, they probably like

1:29:17

look around, like lick their finger, put in

1:29:19

the air. Someone made popcorn on the

1:29:21

baked potato setting again. So

1:29:27

their circuit blew as well. And they also experienced

1:29:29

this kind of brief blackout, but they said

1:29:31

they never encountered Greg or anything. Like they

1:29:33

just said when that handyman came up and fixed it,

1:29:35

their lights turned back on. No problem.

1:29:38

So the detective briefly considered like maybe

1:29:40

one of them went over to complain

1:29:42

about him messing with the

1:29:44

circuits and this escalated into like a

1:29:47

violent confrontation. But like none

1:29:49

of that ever panned out. And

1:29:51

that kind of ended up just being

1:29:53

another dead end. So months passed. The

1:29:55

investigation just kind of went to a

1:29:57

standstill. They had no motive, no suspects.

1:30:00

and they didn't even know how the murder happened.

1:30:03

So meanwhile, Greg's brother, Michael, his

1:30:05

business partner and brother, consulted

1:30:07

a private detective and former FBI agent

1:30:10

from Houston, but that went nowhere, even

1:30:12

though they paid out quite a bit of money for that. Then

1:30:15

Greg's family offered a $50,000 reward for

1:30:17

any information, and that didn't go anywhere.

1:30:19

And it seemed like Greg's

1:30:21

family just wasn't going to get any answers, but

1:30:23

that was just unbearable to them. So

1:30:26

Susie said, you know what, I'm going to take another

1:30:29

chance and hire a second private detective. But

1:30:31

this time, she

1:30:33

found this guy in Florida

1:30:35

named Ken Brennan. And

1:30:38

now this Ken Brennan guy, folks, is

1:30:41

like top tier Sherlock

1:30:44

Holmes level. There is

1:30:47

a famous murder mystery he solved in

1:30:50

the past 20 years or so that I'm going

1:30:52

to cover in the future because he's like the

1:30:54

king of these bizarre... He's like monk, like he

1:30:57

kind of looks at the world from a different angle, you know what

1:30:59

I mean? He's just... he's

1:31:02

on it. So Ken agreed to meet with

1:31:04

Susie and go over the case. He

1:31:06

talked to her about a relationship with

1:31:08

Greg, about their lives. He

1:31:11

was not only getting to know Greg through this,

1:31:13

but he was also trying to rule Susie out

1:31:15

as a suspect. You know, that's kind of his

1:31:17

sneaky, underhanded plan here because he has to make

1:31:19

sure that she's not in on it. So

1:31:22

he asked about their business, their life

1:31:24

insurance, try to figure out any

1:31:26

way that Susie might benefit from Greg's death because

1:31:28

that obviously could be a potential motive, but

1:31:30

she could not find a single thing. And

1:31:33

when he was finally sure that Susie was not involved

1:31:35

in her husband's murder, Ken met with the detective on

1:31:37

the case and said, let's go

1:31:39

back to the hotel room. I

1:31:41

want to see this all in person. I want to look at the autopsy.

1:31:44

I want to talk to all the same witnesses, and I

1:31:46

want to see the crime scene photos. Like he wants to

1:31:49

start from square one and see every little

1:31:51

thing. So one

1:31:54

of the theories was that Greg had been beaten

1:31:56

to death elsewhere and placed back in his room,

1:31:58

but Ken didn't believe the assessment. would

1:32:00

have thought to put a

1:32:02

burning cigarette in his fingers. But the

1:32:04

other weird thing is that the cigarette

1:32:06

was in his left hand and he

1:32:08

was right handed. So he only

1:32:11

smoked with his right hand. So it's also

1:32:13

a little strange. So he's like, I'm

1:32:16

telling you, it reminds me of Monk, my favorite show, by the

1:32:18

way. I'm also rewatching it right now, folks. It's on Netflix. Just

1:32:21

do yourself a favor. But

1:32:24

so they thought, well, it's weird that somebody

1:32:26

would kill a man and stage it with

1:32:28

the lit cigarette, that

1:32:30

just seems very involved

1:32:32

and for what. But then also it's weird that

1:32:34

the cigarette's in his left hand and people who

1:32:37

talked or people who knew him said he would

1:32:39

never have smoked with his left hand, he only smoked

1:32:41

with his right hand. So it was just a little

1:32:43

bit odd. And it was

1:32:45

lit, so who knows, who knows. It

1:32:48

wasn't lit in a way that if, it

1:32:51

was still lit when the cops got there? No,

1:32:54

no, it had just been, he had been smoking

1:32:56

it. So it had been lit already. It

1:32:58

was like actively something he had been smoking.

1:33:00

It went out when he died or when

1:33:02

he fell. Thank God. Yes,

1:33:05

yeah. And

1:33:07

so Ken believed that Greg did not die

1:33:09

in a separate room or a separate building

1:33:11

or separate area, but he had died very

1:33:14

suddenly right there in the room. And

1:33:17

he became convinced that because this

1:33:19

happened inside the room in this

1:33:21

small contained area that the electricians

1:33:23

next door had to somehow be

1:33:25

involved. He just- Interesting. I

1:33:27

don't know if he's just intuitive

1:33:30

or what, but he was like, I know

1:33:32

there's some connection here. So

1:33:34

the detective was like, all right. And

1:33:37

he started reaching out to the electricians

1:33:39

co-workers to say, hey, your

1:33:41

co-workers who stayed in room 349, have

1:33:45

any of them said anything weird to

1:33:47

you guys? Like when they talked about their

1:33:50

conference or their trip to Beaumont, did they

1:33:52

say anything? Did any of

1:33:54

them let slip anything? Because there was a group

1:33:56

of them. And it's like, well, if

1:33:58

a group of people knows something- thing. One of

1:34:01

them is going to slip up or

1:34:03

might slip up. Yeah. Or they reach out. Or they

1:34:05

say to them at least know that one of them is like

1:34:08

some weird guy. Like, is this guy a weirdo

1:34:10

at work? You know? Yeah. Something weird is up.

1:34:12

And I feel like they did a really smart

1:34:14

thing, not going straight to the electricians, but going

1:34:16

to their coworkers to be like, hey,

1:34:20

you see this guy every day. Anything

1:34:23

weird happened after his conference? And

1:34:26

most of them only, they

1:34:28

said, oh yeah, something

1:34:30

weird did happen. And the more they

1:34:32

asked people, they said, yeah, that conference that night

1:34:35

in Beaumont, they did talk about

1:34:37

something weird happening, but it was

1:34:39

all kind of secondhand. Like, nobody

1:34:41

really had like details or a

1:34:43

concrete story. They just

1:34:46

heard like, yeah, this guy died in the

1:34:48

room next door. That's all we've heard. Like,

1:34:50

we don't know the details, but it was

1:34:52

just a little fishy. And so the

1:34:55

private of Ken just kept poking at it.

1:34:57

He knew there was something there. So

1:35:00

one of the men got

1:35:02

this murder confused with another

1:35:04

incident that the group

1:35:06

had been talking about at

1:35:09

work. And he said, oh, the thing with

1:35:11

the gun and Ken

1:35:13

was like, the gun. Speak

1:35:17

on that. Yeah.

1:35:20

Oh, you're looking for something odd. There is

1:35:22

a gun story in the gun thing. Yeah.

1:35:25

So he's like, you know, the story about the

1:35:27

dead guy, like, or do you know the story

1:35:29

that crazy thing that happened when your coworkers were

1:35:31

at this electrician's conference in Beaumont? And everyone was

1:35:33

like, yeah, yeah. The guy who died next door,

1:35:35

one of them went, oh, the thing with the

1:35:38

gun. And he said, no,

1:35:41

I was not talking about that. But like, please

1:35:43

elaborate. Yeah. Well, keep it going. Keep this train

1:35:45

going. And so he had not thought anything of

1:35:47

a gun yet or heard anything of a gun.

1:35:50

So the

1:35:52

man he was interviewing didn't really have many more details

1:35:54

in that. But this got in Ken's head and he

1:35:56

was like, there's something here. So he goes back with

1:35:58

the detective to the hotel. room and

1:36:01

they start looking for a bullet. They

1:36:03

scour the entire room. There is no sign

1:36:05

of a shooting. There's no sign of a

1:36:07

bullet and this had occurred

1:36:09

like months before so you know any

1:36:12

residue or dust or whatever probably would have been cleaned

1:36:14

up but they thought you know at least we might

1:36:16

be able to find the bullet itself if it got

1:36:19

lodged somewhere. They could not find this thing but

1:36:21

then Ken was

1:36:24

standing by the door just kind of assessing the

1:36:26

room and he noticed a small

1:36:29

indent on the side kind

1:36:31

of where you know when you have a door

1:36:33

with like a metal handle and they'll put a

1:36:35

door stopper to prevent the door from punching

1:36:38

through the drywall. So he

1:36:40

noticed like kind of where that doorknob would

1:36:42

would go a little indent but he's looking

1:36:44

at it and he's thinking I

1:36:47

don't think that's from the doorknob. It doesn't appear

1:36:49

to be from the doorknob. It appears to be

1:36:51

more like a hole so he goes

1:36:53

over and where it

1:36:55

looks like the door handle had been bumping the wall

1:36:58

when he actually moved the handle to line

1:37:00

up with the hole it did not match.

1:37:03

So this is actually a hole

1:37:06

from something else. So he

1:37:09

goes next door to the electrician's room because

1:37:11

he's thinking okay this is on the wall

1:37:13

that was shared with these electricians. They

1:37:16

go to the other side look right where that

1:37:18

hole is and they find another patch spot on

1:37:20

the wall. It is filled

1:37:22

in with tissue paper

1:37:25

and toothpaste. This

1:37:31

hole had not been patched by a

1:37:33

handyman. It was just a small neat

1:37:36

hole that had been stuffed with toothpaste

1:37:39

and in 348 the hole

1:37:41

was a bit bigger consistent

1:37:44

with a bullet entering a wall

1:37:46

and exiting through the other side. Ken

1:37:51

believed they had their answer. Somebody,

1:37:53

one of the electricians, shot Greg

1:37:55

through the wall while he was

1:37:57

in bed watching his marvel movie

1:37:59

around. around 7 p.m. When

1:38:02

he was hit, he probably, I mean, think

1:38:04

about like the, like

1:38:08

less than a snap of a finger, like how

1:38:10

fast that would have happened. And of course he

1:38:12

wouldn't have known what happened. He was just suddenly

1:38:14

in this tremendous pain. His body is like torn

1:38:17

up from the inside by a bullet. He

1:38:19

doesn't even realize. And

1:38:21

he stands up, presumably, to try to go

1:38:23

to the door, which is why they believe

1:38:25

that he handed off his cigarette to his

1:38:28

left hand to grow

1:38:30

great for the door. And that's when he

1:38:32

fell and died

1:38:34

pretty instantly of his

1:38:36

injuries. Sam, so in this version,

1:38:39

at least, or if

1:38:42

this is the running theory, then the electricians didn't

1:38:44

even know what they did. They were just hoping

1:38:46

that the bullet didn't hit somebody. Ding,

1:38:48

ding, ding. Okay. Yes.

1:38:51

So the issue, of course, was that the

1:38:54

medical examiner had ruled the cause of death

1:38:56

blunt force trauma, and that

1:38:58

there was not a shooting. And unfortunately, Greg

1:39:00

had been, he could

1:39:02

not be exhumed because he had been cremated.

1:39:04

And so any hope to find the bullet

1:39:06

in his body still was lost because he

1:39:08

had been cremated. But wouldn't the autopsy have

1:39:11

found a bullet hole? I

1:39:13

mean, so they found a small incision

1:39:15

on his scrotum, but it looked like

1:39:17

just a cut. It went

1:39:19

through scrotum. Who beat the shit

1:39:21

out of him though? Like that's like a

1:39:23

whole other thing. Nobody. Where

1:39:26

all that, just like the damage from

1:39:28

just getting shot, literally shot through his

1:39:30

scrotum, up through all of his organs.

1:39:32

Oh my God. I didn't understand that.

1:39:35

Because he was lying on the bed, it

1:39:38

would have gone straight through his body. Or

1:39:40

thoughtly through. Is that not

1:39:42

the most horrific thing you've ever fucking heard? This

1:39:45

whole time, I thought maybe he was like

1:39:48

standing up and like got hit by something.

1:39:50

I'm like, wouldn't they have seen a hole

1:39:52

for that? And then I thought there was

1:39:54

like a second part to this mystery of, and this is how we

1:39:56

found out other people were beating him up. Okay,

1:39:59

I'm on board. Oh my god, so

1:40:01

he was lying down and he got hit on the

1:40:03

balls up. It's a freak accident The

1:40:06

bullet went straight through the wall Straight

1:40:09

into his scrotum and in his

1:40:11

car. Oh my god tore up all

1:40:14

his insides to be consistent with a

1:40:16

car crash or Like

1:40:18

a fatal car crash or being crushed by

1:40:21

a really heavy like that's how oh my

1:40:23

god How deeply the internal injuries were it's

1:40:25

it. Oh my god that poor man. It's

1:40:27

horrible. It's horrible So

1:40:29

essentially they realized now like this bullet probably could

1:40:31

they didn't realize it that he had been shot

1:40:34

So they they weren't really looking for a bullet

1:40:36

and also it could have been somewhere completely like

1:40:38

random lodged in his body And they wouldn't have

1:40:40

even known to look there so

1:40:43

You know all they had left was the

1:40:45

autopsy photos So they realized that this hole

1:40:47

in Greg's heart was not a burst atrium

1:40:50

from a beating but a bullet

1:40:52