Host the Revd Dr Chris Mulherin is joined by pulmonologist and immunologist Dr Bruce Robinson to talk COVID-19 in Australia, in a conversation that was originally broadcast during the 12th Conference on Science and Christianity (COSAC) in July. Chris and Bruce talk through the issues around creating a vaccine for the coronavirus, the broader impacts the pandemic is having on Australian society, how we might face the suffering that comes from traumatic events personal and planet-wide, and whether there is hope in what appears to be an increasingly difficult future.