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hey, hey, hey. Sorry to mean to wake you. It

2:12

is daylight saving time and we are here

2:14

in what to

2:16

us seems in our human form

2:19

to be an hour early. Yes.

2:22

Oh, right. Yes. That's

2:24

the thing is that it's different between what

2:27

we're feeling and what the clock the government

2:29

has deemed is the case. But we didn't.

2:31

We our bodies said no. Psi.

2:36

That's why I'm going to Mexico tomorrow. Because

2:38

they don't care there. They don't do it

2:40

the time. What time even is there? For

2:42

the first year, it's manana. For the first

2:44

year ever, they're not going to do the time change. Oh,

2:46

this is their first year doing that. If

2:49

Mexico can eliminate daylight saving time. Surely.

2:51

Surely we can. Now everybody's saying, well,

2:53

wait a minute. Let's not eliminate daylight

2:55

saving time. Let's eliminate standard time. I

2:57

keep that more complicated. It's

3:00

more complicated because that's I think

3:02

that's our official time zone. We'd have to update all

3:05

the Unix. Hello, everybody.

3:07

This is the show where we

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answer your computer questions at 888-724-2884.

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way that you can get in touch with us,

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atg.twit.tv. That's the email where you

4:04

can send audio, video or text. Yes. Oh,

4:08

I don't know. There's so many good AI

4:10

stories like this one. Palantir wins US Army

4:13

contract for battlefield AI. Oh, lovely.

4:15

It's exactly what we were afraid of. Yeah.

4:18

Didn't we just have folks trying to come

4:20

together to say, let's not do war stuff? Oh,

4:22

yes. Dozens of top scientists

4:24

sign effort to prevent AI bio-weapons. Oh, Lord.

4:29

What else is going on in the world? You

4:31

know, it's so depressing. More

4:34

though on that. So when they talk

4:36

about battlefield AI, were they specifically talking

4:38

about troop movements? Was it more universal?

4:41

What are we working with when we talk

4:43

about battlefield AI? It's the Titan ground station.

4:46

Now that Apple's not doing car project,

4:49

they can see stuff available, which

4:51

is designed to access space, high

4:53

altitude aerial and terrestrial sensors to

4:56

provide actionable targeting

4:58

information for enhanced mission

5:01

command and long

5:03

range precision fires. Where

5:05

should I shoot? Is what it's basically... Yeah.

5:08

Titan stands for tactical intelligence targeting access

5:11

node. So

5:13

the problem with that, of course, is you're now going

5:15

to give an AI gun. I

5:17

don't think that's a good idea. Yeah.

5:21

Because what I... Okay. What

5:24

could possibly... What could possibly go wrong? Exactly.

5:28

It's the logical extension, says Alex Carp. By the way,

5:30

Alex Carp used to be a good guy. Now

5:33

he's a bad guy. He's the

5:35

CEO, the motor mouth CEO

5:37

of Palantir, according to

5:40

the register. Titan is a

5:42

logical extension of Maven. You

5:44

know what Maven is? Good old Maven. That was

5:46

the one that was going to use machine learning engineering

5:48

to tell people and objects apart in

5:50

drone footage so that you

5:54

blow up objects and not people, or maybe it's the other way

5:56

around. Yeah, exactly. You blow

5:58

up people, not objects. It just depends on your goal. hot dog and

6:00

this is a human. So

6:02

Google did not want to participate in the

6:04

employees of Google said, hey, we ain't working

6:07

on Maven. Yeah. And so

6:09

Google stopped. But you know, a Palantir, Peter

6:12

Thiel's AI venture has

6:14

no such scruples. I

6:17

don't know. I mean, it was going

6:19

to happen. Yeah, it was kind of inevitable. It

6:21

wasn't us to be them, right? Yeah. That's

6:23

why we have atomic bombs. If it wasn't us, it'd be them.

6:26

And there's a similarity to

6:29

all that. By the way,

6:31

remember last week, Scott Wilkinson

6:33

said, oh, speaking of which, I'm

6:35

a little distracted. You got a lot on his

6:37

mind. I got a lot on my mind. Speaking

6:40

of which, Sam-a-boo-sammit coming up for a card.

6:42

Yes, that's right. But last week it was

6:44

Scott Wilkinson, home theater geek, who

6:47

convinced me to buy Blu-ray DVDs

6:49

and a Blu-ray DVD player. It

6:52

does look really good. Oh, snap. It

6:54

does. June 1, because it's

6:56

June 2, someday we'll come out

6:58

on DVD, and it looked

7:00

amazing. That's good. I'm glad

7:03

that it was worth it. It looked, I mean, it was like night

7:05

and day. It's

7:07

funny because when you watch streaming UHD, you

7:09

kind of get used to it, and it

7:12

looks really great, right? Yeah. It

7:14

looks really good. But then you put in the Blu-ray

7:16

DVD on, and this is on a nice LG.

7:19

By the way, Dolby Vision. I

7:22

didn't put it on the Samsung because I wanted to see it

7:24

in the best light. Oh,

7:26

yeah. Suddenly. It's

7:29

gorgeous. And that's a gorgeous movie. The

7:32

scales fell from your eyes. Yes,

7:34

like a lizard man. So

7:37

yeah, I have to give Scott props because

7:39

I was being skeptical, and

7:42

it really does. You know, we were talking

7:44

about what they call macro blocking, which is

7:46

artifacts that are added by high compression. In

7:48

order to stream it, you could press it

7:50

much more than you would on a DVD.

7:53

It's still compressed on a disc. It's

7:55

compressed everywhere because video is big. The

7:58

only place you wouldn't see it compressed. is if you're

8:00

watching a film projector in IMAX. Like Oppenheimer.

8:04

Right. Or the new Dune 2, if

8:06

you're lucky enough to be able to get a ticket, they're

8:08

sold out everywhere. So,

8:10

the macro blocking gives you a bunch of

8:13

weird effects, but the most prominent of which

8:15

is you're on the desert planet Dune and

8:18

there's a lot of blue, blue, blue, blue sky. And

8:21

in streaming, it might look like there's

8:23

strips of blue. Like you can't do

8:25

a perfectly smooth gradient like, look

8:27

more like I like socks. And

8:30

not on the blue, oh boy that was

8:32

a crisp blue cerulean

8:35

sky for which the

8:38

sandworms emerged. Okay,

8:42

what else is new? What else is

8:44

new? I will be back in two weeks, so

8:46

I won't be here next Sunday. Are

8:48

you doing something special next Sunday? Yeah,

8:51

hosting a show by myself. All

8:53

by yourself? Good man. I

8:55

like it. It'll be a good time. It's

8:57

both. It's great. We've got

8:59

two guests that week. So, yeah,

9:02

I did it twice when you were gone last

9:04

time. So, not a big deal. But there was

9:06

one other story that you... Your turn for story.

9:09

Well, this I thought was important. It's about Roku.

9:12

Yeah. Speaking of, wow. Speaking of why

9:15

I oughta. So,

9:18

Roku is kind of

9:20

under fire right now by its

9:23

own customers because of its latest

9:25

terms of service update. Now,

9:28

there are some layers to this story. The

9:31

terms of service update actually took place quite

9:33

a while ago. However, Roku,

9:36

the company, did not make

9:38

it apparent to its users

9:41

that the terms of service

9:43

were updated until just recently.

9:46

And the way that it went

9:48

about doing it was to pop

9:50

up a little notification on the Roku

9:53

device that said, our terms of

9:55

service have been updated and you

9:57

need to agree to them. Providing

9:59

an agreed... button or a

10:01

learn more button by hitting asterisk, I think it

10:03

was on the remote. When

10:05

you hit that learn more button by hitting

10:08

the asterisk, it would take you to the

10:10

full terms of service at which point you

10:12

could then hit agree. In other

10:14

words, there was no way to anything

10:16

other than agree. You may not disagree. You

10:18

may not disagree. It

10:20

turned out that for people who actually read through

10:23

the terms of service, the one way to disagree

10:25

was by writing a letter to

10:27

Roku's lawyer and providing all of this

10:30

information. There

10:35

was a lot of information you had to provide. What

10:39

is wild is anyone who chose to not

10:41

agree simply could not use their device from

10:43

that point. There's no way to

10:45

get past that screen. Maybe not such a big deal if you

10:47

have a $69 Roku, but

10:49

it's a very big deal if you have a

10:51

Roku TV, which many people do because that suddenly

10:53

means your TV won't work anymore.

10:55

You can't use your TV. Roku

10:59

has not had anything to say about

11:01

this. On last check, it could

11:04

be that by the time the show publishes,

11:06

they've got more to say. But all the

11:08

company said was, like

11:11

many companies, Roku updates its terms of

11:13

service from time to time. When we

11:16

do, we take steps to make sure

11:18

customers are informed of the change. They

11:21

took steps like four or five

11:23

months later. By

11:26

the way, the thing you're agreeing to, most

11:28

people will just go, yeah, yeah, fine, which

11:30

is the terms of the dispute resolution. A

11:34

lot of companies do that. We actually, I confess,

11:36

we do that. If you decided

11:38

you didn't like something about

11:41

me and you decided to sue, I

11:43

would point out that in your contract, it says you

11:45

have to go to arbitration. You can't

11:48

go to a court. You have to go to

11:50

binding arbitration. And that's

11:52

what Roku is saying. Many companies do this. Legal

11:55

complaints will be handled through arbitration instead of

11:57

involving the court system. Second,

12:00

Complaints must be handled through a phone call

12:02

or in person with Roku legal

12:04

representation even before you go to arbitration.

12:06

In other words, you got to

12:08

talk your way through a lawyer first. This

12:11

is very normal. It is normal. Most

12:14

people will say fine but we

12:17

know that you, you

12:19

people will go, what is this? I'm agreeing

12:22

to and say try to say no. Good

12:24

luck. Yeah. And

12:27

Roku gave, you had to do

12:29

it within 30 days of first

12:31

becoming subject to the updated terms

12:35

and that was February

12:37

20th that those terms became

12:39

available. So there's

12:41

not much time to make that. So

12:43

send them a postal mail letter with

12:45

your name, address, phone number, email address

12:48

used for your Roku account, device, model

12:50

number, a receipt if you have it

12:52

and you have to mail that to Roku's

12:55

general counsel in California. Good

12:57

luck finding his address. Yeah,

12:59

exactly. And

13:02

by the way, even if you do that, it's built

13:04

into the TV. I don't know, what is he going

13:06

to come to your house? Yeah, that's the thing. Hi,

13:08

I'm the general counsel. I've got a screwdriver. Let me

13:10

just fix that. And until that goes through, who knows

13:13

how long that will take to process? No TV for

13:15

you. You can't use the TV. No TV for you.

13:17

This is just, but you know what? As

13:20

ZDNet points out, Reddit requires this. Yeah.

13:23

Facebook requires this. It's very, very common

13:26

to want to not go to court but

13:28

just go to binding arbitration. And

13:32

to be fair, we do it too. I

13:34

didn't write the contract. With employees though, I

13:36

feel like that's different than somebody who's buying

13:38

a product. It's really bad

13:40

to sell a TV and then

13:42

after the fact, change the terms and say

13:44

if you don't agree to these because you

13:46

could make it anything. Give us your first

13:49

board. Oh, you don't want to? No TV

13:51

for you. No TV for you. Especially because

13:53

it seems to be, many

13:56

times companies do it after there's some concern

13:59

of a class. last action lawsuit comes

14:01

into play. Unfortunately 23andMe

14:03

was one company that did

14:05

that. After the cyber

14:07

attack against the company that was sort of,

14:09

I won't go into

14:11

it, we talked about it before. After

14:14

that, then they updated their terms of service.

14:17

One good thing they did was, I keep

14:20

saying they, one good thing that 23andMe

14:22

did was it provided a means of just

14:24

emailing a rejection as opposed to having to

14:26

send a letter. We should be able to

14:28

say no to this. And

14:32

it really is unconscionable to say, you know, we're

14:34

going to disable your product if you don't agree

14:36

to this. I mean, there's so many products, you

14:39

know, you have a refrigerator and suddenly a company

14:41

sends you a notice saying, hey, you have to

14:43

agree not to sue us or

14:46

we're going to disable you, we're going to brick

14:48

your refrigerator. I mean, these things, that's not okay.

14:50

No, it's not. The terms you bought, the, in

14:53

fact, I think the courts should weigh in this. The terms

14:55

that you agreed to when you bought the device should hold.

14:57

Can you imagine being in a car and having a car

14:59

do that? You go to start in the morning. I can

15:01

see a Tesla doing that. Yeah. You

15:03

go to start in the morning and it's like you have to hit a plane

15:05

before you can begin. Yeah. We got

15:07

it. You can't, you can't sue us. Nope.

15:10

Nope. So

15:12

again, 888-724-2884, email

15:14

atg at twit.tv,

15:17

zoom us, call.twit.tv, do it on your

15:19

phone, we'll see you. Should

15:21

we, let's do a phone call. I feel like, I

15:23

feel, I'm going to go crazy or be wacky

15:25

and we're going to take a call. Cool.

15:29

All right. I'm going to pick up on John because I think he was trying

15:31

to call in last week. Yeah. I think we,

15:33

I think we had that problem with John. That is

15:35

by the way, our esteemed producer. He's a senior

15:38

producer, Mr. I went

15:41

from junior to senior. Yeah. He's

15:43

senior now, John Ashley. Congratulations. No promotion. And by

15:45

the way, please sign this agreement. Binding arbitration. You

15:47

will not sue us. I need you to send

15:49

it to my lawyers so I can look it

15:51

over. See, that's what you

15:53

do. Yep. You say, well, Roku,

15:55

that's fine. I think my attorney needs to see this. That's

15:58

what you do. agree that's

16:01

a great idea thank you John

16:03

the law offices of Vener and I

16:06

actually hold on one second John I need

16:08

your help Oh John's got to

16:10

do something Vener

16:13

schnitzel that's because my lunch

16:15

is a Vener schnitzel sandwich would you like to

16:17

see it sure there it

16:20

is whoa just to show that I'm a

16:22

man of the people no sprouts

16:25

you know you know why because I'm going on

16:27

vacation I didn't want to do so that's

16:29

you don't want to sprout too far in

16:31

advance you want to

16:33

I read that they should be fresh

16:35

fresh sprout how about while we try

16:37

to wear that sprout or all this

16:39

thing Leo there's an email something Instagram

16:41

of course I want one because

16:45

I because of you I bought

16:47

because I bought some sprouts at the grocery store

16:49

mold no no and this is the problem with

16:51

sprouts they go bad very easily if they get

16:53

Sammy and they could be and that could be

16:55

dangerous so you have to have fresh sprouts this

16:58

sprout or is the great you have to send

17:00

me a link routing company the sprouting company that's

17:02

the name of it all surrounding company it was

17:04

a guy who decided to eat raw food and

17:06

realize just like you you can't get fresh sprouts

17:08

in the grocery store you got to make them

17:11

you know what it's so easy to make them it took four days

17:13

and some of you have this giant sprout

17:15

garden in my in my

17:17

little sprout jet lag

17:19

is for amateurs oh let's do this one shall

17:21

we because I have images to go with this

17:24

one I thought she I think a different email

17:26

there is two emails with the oh it is a

17:28

different jet lag is for amateurs long-time

17:30

listener reaching out for the first time hi

17:32

Daniel I have

17:36

a Wi-Fi question problem oh

17:40

that's the secret code yep

17:42

yes see we had two emails with the

17:44

secret code decided to give out last week

17:47

so what was the trick so if they if

17:49

they use the secret code it basically meant that

17:51

they were watching the show and we didn't get

17:53

to them so we gave them a secret code

17:55

they could jump the line this is thank you

17:57

Daniel so you're jumping a

18:00

long time listener, long long time listener

18:02

reaching out for the first time. Wi-Fi

18:04

problem. Okay. I own a house

18:06

with a large metal air conditioner return unit in

18:08

the middle of the house. This

18:12

causes any Wi-Fi signal to

18:14

drop from one end to the

18:16

other like a lot. We no longer have spectrum

18:18

TV cable but good news, he does

18:20

use spectrum internet. Once

18:23

he tried Mocha 2 about three years ago but couldn't get

18:25

to work, I think it was missing the

18:27

PoE filter. Micah

18:30

you mentioned your setup, it sounded great. I

18:32

think Mocha which is something over cable. It's

18:35

co-act. Media over co-act, I think is what they

18:37

call it. So many of us have co-actial cable

18:39

in the walls that was put in either when

18:41

the house is built or later for cable TV.

18:44

You know it if you have a little co-act thing sticking

18:46

out of the wall down at the baseboard. That

18:49

it turns out goes around the house to many

18:51

different rooms enough so that you could use it

18:53

to spread your Wi-Fi. I still have

18:55

co-act cable he writes, Daniel writes in all of

18:58

my rooms unused except for

19:00

the room with the modem along

19:03

with three Euro pro 6 units and one Euro 6

19:05

extender. Boy I thought I would have thought the Euro

19:07

would have solved this. Walk

19:09

me through your setup. Yeah, okay so

19:11

first and foremost there was already a

19:14

filter in my house for some reason.

19:16

I think it might be because I'm

19:18

connected to other homes so they probably

19:20

have a filter on everyone. Because

19:22

if you don't do that your internet goes

19:25

to everywhere else. Yes, exactly. Now you're in

19:27

an apartment, a standalone home would that still

19:29

be it might be? It could be because

19:31

this is the thing about the filter. We're

19:33

all connected at the same point. It worked,

19:35

it keeps it from doing. That

19:38

system is used for so many purposes.

19:40

It stops like DVR and other things

19:42

from interacting. So basically and

19:44

these the good thing is these are

19:46

not very expensive. The actual

19:49

Mocha filters are like 12 bucks.

19:52

And you want it on the way that it's

19:54

in my home is I went to

19:57

where the cable was installed. Happens to be in

19:59

a closet upstairs. And the

20:01

filter is going from

20:03

the cable that comes in from

20:05

outside of the house, the

20:08

filter is on and then it goes directly

20:10

into what I have which is a powered

20:12

splitter. Originally there

20:14

was just a splitter there that was

20:16

unpowered, a passive splitter and I didn't

20:18

want that, I wanted the high capacity

20:20

signal. So I bought a powered splitter

20:22

and then each of the coaxial cables that

20:24

comes out of that lead to different parts

20:27

of the home. And

20:29

in my office which is where that

20:31

splitter is, I have the

20:35

screen beam Mocha

20:38

adapter, the first one. And

20:41

what is going on is the modem of

20:44

course has cable that is coming

20:46

from directly from outside

20:48

of the house through that filter

20:50

into the modem. And

20:53

then the modem plugs into a

20:55

network switch, a powered network switch.

20:58

And one of the ethernet cables from

21:00

that powered network switch leads into the

21:02

back of the Mocha. From

21:05

there the other side

21:07

of the Mocha is the

21:09

coaxial cable. That coaxial cable

21:11

runs into the splitter so

21:14

that it can send its signal

21:16

to the living room which

21:19

has the coaxial port

21:21

on the wall. From

21:24

there coaxial cable connects to

21:26

the other Mocha adapter and

21:29

then ethernet comes out of the other

21:31

end of that into another powered network

21:33

switch that provides ethernet to

21:35

Apple TV, PlayStation 5 and a few

21:38

other devices. So I've

21:40

had no issue once I had the

21:43

filter. The one thing

21:45

I will say is if

21:47

you tried it and you

21:49

maybe gave it 30 minutes

21:51

or something and you're like okay this isn't working, give

21:53

it some time. For some reason

21:56

it can take a while for it to kind

21:58

of kick on and figure out what's going on. I think

22:00

that it does a lot of configuration behind the scenes.

22:03

And so I did have an issue when I first tried

22:05

it. I was impatient and thought, oh, this isn't working. And

22:08

then later I tried it again and it worked just fine.

22:11

So yes, get one of those filters. Again,

22:13

they're not very expensive. If you

22:16

type in Mocha filter on Amazon, for example, you'll

22:18

find them for like 12 bucks. And

22:20

this is key. You only need one protecting you

22:22

from the outside world. It's not

22:24

through the rest of the house. But he

22:26

said PoE, which is power over internet. Sorry,

22:28

internet filter. That

22:31

I don't... I mean, I guess you could

22:33

use Mocha. I

22:35

don't know. I don't think you would... Yeah, because

22:37

if you're doing power... Oh,

22:39

I see. Power over... Okay, gotcha.

22:42

It wouldn't be... How would it get into the cable

22:44

though? The coax? Yeah, I don't know. I

22:46

didn't know that you would need PoE filtering.

22:49

Maybe he's confused. But Daniel, yeah, definitely put

22:51

the filter between you and the outside world.

22:53

That's the whole point, right? Exactly. So that

22:56

your traffic doesn't go out and their traffic

22:58

doesn't come in. And

23:00

Berkeley... Berkeley

23:03

McQuinn, our esteemed studio

23:05

engineer says Mocha can be a pain in the butt,

23:07

but the filter is 100% required for Mocha. The

23:11

signal voltage is much higher. Don't

23:14

know what that means, but it does. I don't either, yeah.

23:17

All I know is it works exceptionally well in

23:19

my home and I've had no

23:21

issues with it. So John, are we

23:23

good with the other John or should we

23:26

move on? Let's find out. Hey

23:28

John, join us in

23:30

the Stargate and tell us what

23:32

city you're calling from. There

23:36

he is. He looks like the

23:38

Wizard of Oz, doesn't he? Yeah. Hey,

23:40

no attention to the man behind the curtain. Hi John, what can we do for

23:42

you? Hello, can you hear me? Yeah. Oh

23:45

great, yeah, I don't know what happened before. That

23:48

was something on our end. That was boy

23:51

producer John. Ah, he

23:53

just got smothered immediately. Hey, I

23:55

love that. That's the

23:57

old twit shirt. That's a good looking shirt. Yeah,

24:01

that comes out of my closet for special

24:03

occasion. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah,

24:06

when I got out of Mexico, I did bring one ZD

24:08

TV shirt, which I'm going to wear, just

24:10

to see if anybody knows. Nice. Do

24:12

you know who I am? Do you know who I am? John,

24:15

where are you going? What city are you

24:17

calling from? Calvary, but I'm waiting when I

24:19

go to the mall one time and somebody

24:21

walks up to me and says, you know,

24:23

knows it. Wouldn't that be cool? Never happened,

24:25

doesn't it? It would be. Never, ever happened.

24:27

Okay, a couple of things. What are streams,

24:30

Frank, from Brit Box and we

24:32

have another provider. I

24:35

like to close caption on, but what happens

24:37

is the closed captioning slowly gets ahead of

24:41

the show. Oh, that's terrible. It

24:43

is, yeah. And I just... It spoiled

24:46

all the surprise. The murderer

24:48

is... Oh, no, don't tell me. Don't tell

24:50

me. That's right. How far

24:52

ahead does it get? Like... It's

24:55

gradual. I get to the

24:57

point that I have to turn it off and turn it back

24:59

on at a recents, but every seven or

25:01

eight minutes. So it's... Is it

25:03

just on Brit Box and another streamer or

25:05

is it on all? It's only on those streamers? Yeah,

25:07

it seems to be on Brit Box. What's the other

25:09

one? I've had this happen too, John. Yeah. Yeah,

25:13

so there are some streamer. So

25:16

what's happening in

25:18

almost every case, it has to do with audio

25:20

sync. Where

25:23

audio is being slightly

25:26

adjusted. The sync of

25:28

the audio is being slightly adjusted so that it comes

25:30

out of the speakers at the proper time to match

25:32

with the voices or with the mouths moving on screen.

25:35

And this is something that's happening in the background. But

25:38

those captions or subtitles are

25:40

hard coded to fire at

25:42

a certain time. And

25:44

so that's why turning it off and turning

25:47

it back on again sometimes fixes

25:49

it because it kind of picks

25:51

it up from the sync if that makes sense. Re-vludes it kind

25:53

of in a way. I

25:55

have had this issue because I'm a person Who

25:57

I Watch everything with captions or subtitles.

26:00

Always and unfortunately, I

26:02

have yet to find

26:04

a solution that one

26:07

hundred percent works other

26:09

than. Our and

26:11

I'm curious to hear what is your audio

26:13

set up to. You just listen to the

26:16

speakers the come from the television itself to

26:18

you how? that's correct. Okay, I'm. So.

26:20

So that's interesting, because that should, in

26:22

theory. Cause the

26:25

serious issues with this like those

26:27

the sink should not. Be

26:29

that all says kind of him. A.

26:31

General Problem Ah, The.

26:34

Has to do with he eats

26:36

have referred to time code normally.

26:39

In a in a wealth of Alex Lindsay

26:41

were doing sunsets there would be time code

26:43

for the video time for the audio and

26:45

you would and they ended. The system would

26:48

always sale on my complain audio till the

26:50

right time but there's to if they're separate

26:52

streams and they are not in sync they're

26:54

not. Time code is the the happens. Yeah,

26:58

I'm trying to fix the ongoing are

27:01

you might try sometimes out. Noticed the

27:03

case on Know Your System On my

27:05

system I have multiple English closed captions.

27:07

There's one called a Stage and there's

27:10

one called C C No, not right.

27:12

In Africa you might look at the

27:14

centers in the T V. Sometimes it's

27:17

in the stream but you might see

27:19

if there's other options for it. Closed

27:21

captioning: It might be that some of

27:24

them are better than others out by

27:26

of steroids used to be uncertain stream

27:28

Switzerland. interesting I know but guy laundry

27:30

box which showed yeah like to watch

27:33

or we like to watch sir we

27:35

love father Father Brown yeah that the

27:37

what he in the absence as as

27:40

the is he got a was yeah

27:42

he rages summer midst of my wife

27:44

for private a really weird of a

27:47

lot of those it's own Dr Dr.

27:51

Martin I lucked out. Mart not the

27:53

shoes because us but the.martin yeah he's

27:55

in a he's a big city doctor

27:57

goes to a small village. and

27:59

it's it's typical british fair

28:02

remind me of all creatures great and

28:04

small words yeah don't you are my

28:06

hero i love it is like a

28:09

small town with very small town problems which makes you

28:11

feel good because you don't have the big global

28:13

problems we all suffer that's just one of

28:15

the drive shows yeah i have

28:17

one more quick thing i pulled their called in

28:20

a few weeks ago when you're way leo about

28:22

the audio

28:25

on the tv about having wearing

28:27

headphones and being able to

28:29

let my wife also listen to the

28:31

speakers on the tv and i

28:33

don't know if i can remember but it was

28:35

doing my dv arm bluetooth and

28:37

i don't know if you'd ever heard of it

28:39

but i i tell my dv are to go

28:41

to bluetooth and then it can you know connect

28:44

to my bluetooth speakers and i can hear the

28:46

show through there and my wife can

28:48

also hear the show through the speakers on the tv

28:51

and i know you had that call several times

28:53

and you know if you've thought of all sorts

28:55

of gadgets and so this is

28:57

a multiple multiple role of vcr so so if

28:59

somebody has that and they're having that issue they

29:01

should just well we could talk

29:03

to ours but find the bluetooth and hook it

29:05

up to the bluetooth headphones and you have your

29:07

own volume and own

29:10

audio through the headphones yeah it's pretty cool

29:12

that it's built in that it gives you

29:14

that functionality uh right to

29:16

to because that's not something that i think is

29:18

front of mind for a lot of the companies that are

29:20

making those so to be able

29:22

to provide bluetooth for the

29:25

audio at the same time that it's

29:27

also outputting audio actually without cutting out

29:29

the other yeah yeah that's very cool

29:32

right you reminded me because

29:35

we had this call and somebody sent me or

29:37

came on later and gave us a link for

29:40

a new generation i think it might have

29:42

been from avantree i can't remember of

29:46

bluetooth tv headphones that were

29:48

using the newer a better

29:50

technology for syncing and

29:52

i even ordered them for my mom

29:54

and now i'm remembering that i don't

29:56

think they ever came also i think

29:58

it was one of those you know or pre-orders

30:00

so I'm sure I didn't get I

30:04

can remember the name and maybe somebody in

30:07

our discord will remember it because we were

30:09

talking about this before, but you're satisfied, you're

30:11

happy with your solution. You've absolutely,

30:14

they didn't involve other technologies,

30:16

so yeah it works. Yeah,

30:24

that's nice if you have that set up, sometimes by

30:26

the way that's when you do get lip-sync issues because

30:28

Bluetooth is a little bit slower, but you're

30:30

not... There might be a slight, but it's not

30:32

nothing like that close captioning. My

30:35

wife just fought death and paradise for

30:37

Brit Box. Ah, death and

30:40

paradise. That sounds like a... El

30:42

Cule Poirot kind of a murder

30:44

mystery. Well, we had parole, we watched all parole.

30:46

I love all the morrows and all the ex-posters.

30:48

We're off topic here and I just want to

30:50

thank you gentlemen. I know you were away when

30:53

Mike and I discussed that before. Thanks a lot. You know,

30:55

I hope maybe I can save a couple of marriages. Well,

30:59

and ScooterX and our Discord sent us,

31:02

there is a Reddit, subreddit called BritBox.

31:05

Oh, okay. R slash BritBox

31:07

and here's from seven months

31:09

ago, BritBox's truly lame subtitles.

31:11

Oh, I'll hook

31:14

it up. Yeah, it sounds

31:16

like more that he doesn't like the

31:18

quality of the subtitles. Yeah,

31:20

well I know why I'm having

31:22

a problem, you know, of

31:24

the millions of people that watch, I'm not the

31:27

only one, you know, so it's absolutely... Yeah,

31:29

and as I said, yeah, I've had it happen before

31:31

too and I have to turn them off and suddenly

31:33

I don't know what anyone's saying anymore. Yeah, you know,

31:36

it's funny the other day I saw, I noticed that

31:38

they were getting ahead of the video

31:40

and I didn't think... And when I'm watching

31:42

a comedy, that's really frustrating because it does

31:45

end up spoiling the joke for me and...

31:47

Sometimes I'll just close my eyes and listen.

31:52

When are you fellows getting up to the Calgary

31:54

Stampede? Oh, I'd love to. Gosh, would I love

31:56

to. I've got a cowboy hat and

31:58

boots all ready to go. I

32:00

remember when I was a kid my folks went

32:02

and it made me jealous. So every year, when

32:04

is the stampede this year? It

32:06

starts about the first Monday of

32:08

July for 10 days, first Friday of

32:10

July. Luckily my health's here,

32:13

first Friday of July for 10 days. My

32:16

wife and I will have to make plans because I've always been.

32:19

It's the rodeo. Well, the greatest

32:21

outdoor show on earth they call it. Yeah, it's

32:23

the one to go to. Wow. I

32:25

think I have some friends in Calgary actually. Yeah, okay.

32:27

Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Take

32:30

care, John. I'll check that out.

32:32

Bye, Mr. John. Okay, bye. Yeah,

32:34

bye. The Calgary Jampy, Jampy July 5th through 14th.

32:37

Wow, there's music, there's

32:40

rodeo, there's night shows. Oh,

32:43

we definitely have to go this. There's an

32:46

auction. There's a Canvas auction. General, the

32:48

Canvas auction. I don't know

32:50

what they're auctioning. What is, okay.

32:52

The Canvas auction. The Canvas. Shaky

32:54

Graves. It could be art. Oh, Shaky Graves is

32:56

really good. The Jonas Brothers. I'm gonna talk to

32:59

you about that. Miranda Lambert. Wow, wrestling.

33:01

Wait, they're doing this. Wrestling. Will

33:03

they be wrestling this in P? Molly Crue, the

33:05

Saints of Los Angeles. Wow.

33:08

Introducing the Campy, the poster. This looks like

33:10

something to go to. You don't want to

33:12

go to Calgary in the winter. No. No,

33:15

but in the summer, it's nothing nicer. We were

33:17

watching a show the other day and it had,

33:20

it was profane in words. There

33:24

were lots of profanity. What did the subtitles do?

33:26

This is what I wanted to talk about. I

33:29

was a little perturbed and

33:31

bothered, bothered if you will,

33:34

by the fact that the

33:36

captions were completely sanitized.

33:39

I think that that is- Did they put asterisks

33:41

in? Not even asterisks. They changed what the people

33:43

were saying. So when someone

33:45

was called a, you know, this person's a

33:47

blah, blah, blah, it said, this person's a

33:49

real jerk. And

33:52

I'll just tell you, it was a Quentin Tarantino

33:54

film. Oh, that ruins it. I

33:57

think that that's not- I didn't care because I can

33:59

hear. hear it. But for the people who are watching

34:01

it who cannot hear what they're saying, that's not a

34:03

choice that should be made on behalf of the people

34:06

who are watching it who can't hear it, I feel.

34:08

That's not cool. That is bizarre.

34:12

Maybe you had the Christian subject. Yeah,

34:15

I must have chosen Christian subject. There are other ones, I'm

34:17

pretty sure. Wow, that's

34:19

interesting. Yeah. We were watching it via Apple

34:21

TV and I was wondering if

34:24

Apple was doing the captions there. Yeah,

34:26

the old time term is Baudelarizing. You

34:29

hear that phrase? Baudelarizing. Baudelarizing. It

34:32

was from a very famous Reverend Baudelar,

34:34

I guess would be his name. And

34:37

he didn't like bad words. And

34:39

so they Baudelarized them. Let

34:42

us take a tiny little break and we will

34:44

continue on with more of your calls. Samable Sam

34:46

at The Car Guy coming up in just a

34:48

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Alrighty. Is this gonna also say?

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No. Help

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mom to text

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cross-platform family members. Let

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38:27

messages from my mom's Apple

38:29

device don't seem

38:31

to always go to my brother's Android phone.

38:33

He's or vice versa. He sends a message

38:36

from his iPad. Subsequent

38:38

messages from mom go to his iPad but

38:40

they don't go to his phone. I

38:43

bet you know what's going on. Yeah. So remind

38:46

me mom's on an iPhone. Mom's on

38:48

an iPhone. Brother has an Android phone

38:50

but an iPad. Yeah. So he has

38:52

both right? He's Apple and Android. This

38:54

is the part that's troublesome. Basically when

38:57

he is sending a message from

38:59

his iPad to mom it

39:02

is going via iMessage and

39:04

it is using iMessage. Not the phone system. Not the

39:06

phone system. It's just data. Yes. And

39:08

when that's happening if brother

39:11

has his phone number as

39:13

part of his iMessage setup

39:16

on the iPad, if he's put that in,

39:19

then when brother uses that to

39:21

send to mom and when mom,

39:23

more importantly when mom responds, it

39:26

kind of temporarily locks that phone number into

39:28

iMessage. That's what she says. We try to

39:30

create two threads. One for his Android phone

39:32

and the other to his iPad but Apple

39:34

keeps combining them. It's trying to make it

39:36

smart and link the two together. Because it

39:38

sees his Apple account and says oh no

39:40

no he's an Apple guy. Exactly. So what

39:42

I would recommend doing is in all on

39:44

all of the devices that are iOS

39:47

or Mac or whatever,

39:49

you can go into Messages in

39:52

your settings and you can go to

39:55

a section called Send and Receive.

39:57

And What

40:00

you want to do and what brother wants to

40:02

do in this case is on the iPad Brother

40:05

wants to make sure that in

40:07

there are two sections and send

40:09

and receive you can receive iMessage

40:11

shoes to and reply from and

40:13

then there's a section called start

40:15

new conversations from on both of

40:17

those Brother wants to make sure

40:19

that the phone number is not selected

40:21

that instead The brothers

40:23

Apple ID is the email that is

40:25

selected in both of those cases that

40:28

will stop iMessage from trying to default to the

40:30

phone number because it likes to default to a

40:32

phone number and That way

40:34

she want she wants it to go to his phone

40:37

number, too She yes, she

40:39

wants to be able to text the phone number

40:41

Yeah, but when when she is merging that into

40:43

the Apple account and so that so there is

40:45

in a way for her from her iPhone To

40:49

send to both the iPad and the at the same

40:51

time no no So it's either

40:53

gonna go one or the other if you take

40:55

the phone number out It'll always go to the

40:57

iPad but not the Android device unless she texts

41:00

him to his phone number

41:02

specifically So what so she can

41:04

text the phone number specific? Yes, there's one additional

41:06

thing you want to make sure in the contact

41:08

list that the phone number

41:10

doesn't say iPhone Right correct because

41:13

that tells Apple. Oh good.

41:15

This is I So

41:18

yeah, basically Mom is going

41:20

to have to create kind of a new thread

41:22

that's to his iCloud email

41:25

and make that the way that she talks to him

41:27

via the iPad and then the phone number

41:30

will go back to Just being Android

41:32

on its own so unfortunately and she says

41:34

you know my mom's 84 we

41:36

you know I know you're gonna say use

41:38

WhatsApp or something else no, but she says it's

41:40

hard to get mom to use new apps Yeah,

41:42

I don't and my brother doesn't want another messaging

41:45

app. I don't think it has to be

41:47

another messaging app I think honestly what I would

41:49

recommend is Having

41:52

your brother

41:54

just choose to use the phone number and

41:57

then on the iPad you

42:01

can use what's called text message forwarding.

42:03

And so once again in

42:06

settings and

42:09

in messages there is a

42:11

section called text message forwarding. And

42:15

your brother will want to toggle

42:17

this on for the iPad and

42:20

that allows for... well no because you

42:22

have to have an iPhone to do that. So no that's not

42:24

going to work because if the

42:26

primary device was an iPhone and the secondary

42:28

device was an Android that would be much

42:31

easier. But yeah it's it's kind of messy.

42:34

Yeah and I understand why

42:36

Apple is doing this because

42:39

they're saying well if everyone would just use

42:41

Apple devices all

42:43

of this would really be nice and seamless

42:45

right? You'd message the iPad it would go

42:48

to his iPhone and vice versa.

42:51

And they don't have a good response for

42:53

but I want to use an Android phone.

42:55

Yeah. Their responses will get an iPhone. Literally

42:57

that's what Tim Cook said to something

42:59

similar well she should just get an

43:02

iPhone. I think your brother

43:04

just needs to stop messaging from the iPad.

43:06

Oh like to mom I think. That's the

43:08

other option. Just not use the iPad at

43:10

all for messaging. Exactly. And use your Android

43:12

phone. Apple will understand oh yeah yeah we're gonna

43:15

use SMS to reach him. Exactly and then that

43:17

way you're able to text back and forth. But

43:19

the second you got the iPad involved it

43:21

tells Apple servers that now

43:24

this is the way that you're trying to communicate

43:26

and Apple is of course going to default to

43:28

iMessage. So that's why it keeps going to the

43:30

iPad and not reaching you on your Android device.

43:33

Somebody asked the AI you know

43:35

we have an AI Leo in our club Twit Discord.

43:37

By the way Melissa thank you for your very kind

43:39

words. And I'm not gonna

43:41

say what it is but I love your Gmail address because

43:44

she has you know you have to

43:46

have a unique address everybody uses Gmail.

43:48

She is very cleverly encoded her name.

43:51

Nice. And I believe Melissa if

43:53

I'm not wrong your state into

43:55

your address which makes it easy to remember but

43:58

it's not obvious. But you know, I like

44:01

puzzles. Our AI Leo, who

44:03

also likes puzzles, one of

44:05

our Discord chatters, just by the way, one

44:07

of the benefits of Club Tweet you get

44:09

to talk to, my artificial intelligence, asked,

44:13

AI Leo, how did you forget about daylight saving

44:15

time? It announced our show an hour late. Aren't

44:18

you supposed to know everything? And then

44:20

Aylia says, ah, daylight saving time. The

44:22

bane of my existence is like trying

44:24

to keep up with a squirrel on

44:26

a caffeine high. Sometimes

44:29

even us all knowing AIs need a little reminder

44:31

now and then, but hey, at least I can

44:33

still tell you the best time to binge watch

44:35

your favorite tech shows, right? How

44:37

do they get such personality? I don't

44:39

know. It's got so much personality. It's

44:41

kind of scary. We're getting this close

44:44

to me permanently living in Cabo San

44:46

Lucas. Letting the AI join you

44:48

for the show. Is it time for my favorite? I

44:50

might get to ask you the Linux question. Yeah,

44:53

right. Well, go ahead. You know what? They

44:56

do that, by the way. They're

44:58

constantly teasing the AI Leo, which

45:00

is okay. It's just a machine. Sam

45:03

Abul-Samad is a principal researcher at

45:05

Guidehouse Insights. He's also

45:07

the host of a wonderful podcast called Wheel

45:10

Bearings. And he

45:12

is a regular on not just this show,

45:14

but on all of our shows. In

45:18

fact, he was on Twitter just last week. And

45:20

Roberto Baldwin, his co-host on

45:23

Wheel Bearings is going to be on today. In fact, I

45:25

think he's coming up today, which will be

45:27

a while. He's not. He changed his

45:29

mind. Oh, you didn't get the memo, John?

45:33

Okay. Last I heard, Roberto was coming, but

45:35

that's all right. Bobby, as they call him.

45:37

Hi, Sam. Bobby. Hey,

45:39

Leo. Hey, Micah. You've got

45:42

a Rivian R2 behind you. I do. Yes. Did

45:45

you drive it? No, nobody's driven it

45:47

yet. Yeah. It's still two years

45:49

away from production. So for

45:51

those not aware, on

45:54

Thursday, so what, two, three days

45:57

ago now, Rivian held an event.

46:00

down in Southern California to reveal

46:02

their next vehicles or follow-ups to

46:04

the R1. So right now, Rivian

46:07

has three vehicles in production. They have

46:09

the R1T pickup truck,

46:12

the R1F, which is an SUV

46:14

version of that, it's a three-row SUV. And

46:18

their delivery van, which is,

46:21

there are currently several thousand of those

46:23

in use by Amazon, including

46:25

by my local Amazon warehouse here.

46:28

See those quietly

46:30

rolling through our neighborhood on an

46:32

almost daily basis. Yes, they have

46:34

that same headlight. Yes,

46:37

they do. Oh. Same basic design.

46:39

Oh. That's cool. So

46:43

they revealed their next couple of

46:45

vehicles, starting with the R2. And

46:48

during the teasers in the run-up over the last couple of

46:51

weeks to the event, they just teased

46:53

R2. Everybody knew they were gonna do an R2. And

46:56

this is a smaller SUV than the R1 series.

47:02

SUV only, no pickup truck for now. And

47:05

so this one, the R3

47:08

is about the size of a

47:10

three-row Jeep Grand Cherokee. It's a three-row

47:12

SUV, electric SUV. The

47:14

R2 is a little bit smaller. It's about

47:16

the same, roughly the same overall length and

47:19

width as the Jeep Wrangler, as

47:21

well as the upcoming Jeep Recon, which is

47:23

launching later this year, which

47:26

is Jeep's first electric off-roader. And

47:30

the R2 is similar size

47:32

class, and it's going

47:34

to be, well, the

47:36

plan is for it to be substantially more

47:39

affordable than the R1. The R1s

47:41

start in the mid $70,000 range. The

47:44

R2, when it goes into production,

47:46

currently scheduled for the first half of 2026,

47:50

so it's still two years away, is targeted

47:52

at a starting price of about $45,000. With

47:56

a 300-mile range, it'll

47:59

come in... single-motor rear-wheel

48:01

drive, dual-motor all-wheel

48:03

drive, and three-motor all-wheel

48:05

drive variants with a zero to 60 times

48:08

of less than three seconds, which is just

48:10

too fast. I don't think you want a

48:12

truck that can go that fast. In fact,

48:15

didn't one

48:18

of the actors in succession drive his

48:20

truck into a restaurant? He just got

48:22

the new Rivian and he

48:24

did... Yes, I think he under-

48:27

estimated the acceleration. The older brother, him,

48:29

I'm blanking on right now. Connor, always... The

48:31

new actor plays him. ...at a young age

48:33

but apparently can't drive his Rivian very

48:35

well. Drove it. He's fine. I think everybody's

48:38

fine, although the pizza restaurant suffered a bit

48:40

of a ding. A little

48:43

bit, yeah. But that's the thing is, you don't...

48:45

Why do you have acceleration like that in a

48:48

truck? That's

48:50

a really good question. I'm still

48:52

trying to figure that one out. It

48:55

started with Tesla. They

48:57

wanted to demonstrate to the world that EVs

49:00

are... They don't have to

49:02

be appliances. They can be sexy, even

49:05

fun. But all EVs have good

49:07

acceleration. They have full torque from

49:09

the get-go, which gives them a

49:11

nice peppy pickup. I love even

49:14

in my less exciting

49:16

EV, sitting next to somebody

49:18

in a muscle car at a

49:20

light and just gently going zzzzzz away while

49:23

they're shifting, then they get the gas engine

49:25

going. It takes them a little while to

49:27

kind of get up to speed. But

49:30

we don't need 0 to 60 in three seconds.

49:32

That's crazy. No, we don't.

49:34

And I've written about this

49:36

on multiple occasions. Dangerous, I

49:38

think. Manufacturers have proven,

49:41

okay, yes, EVs are faster

49:43

than internal combustion vehicles. They're

49:45

ridiculously fast. The

49:47

point has been made. We all know

49:49

this. Now stop, please. We

49:52

don't need to have mainstream vehicles that can

49:54

go this fast. It is dangerous. And

49:57

most people, most drivers... don't

50:00

have the skills to handle a vehicle

50:02

with that kind of performance. So we

50:04

should just stop, you know, it's like

50:06

five seconds zero to 60 is plenty

50:08

fast enough for anybody that will let

50:11

you merge into any gap in the

50:13

freeway as you're getting on the freeway

50:15

or make, you know, pass on a two-lane road, whatever

50:18

you need to do without being

50:20

just stupidly fast. Yeah,

50:22

I mean, growing up, you

50:24

know, I remember when, you know, anything

50:27

under 10 seconds zero to 60 was

50:29

considered really fast. And now, you know,

50:31

we're talking two and three seconds zero

50:33

to 60 times. It's

50:35

more than enough. Yeah, time to move on. But,

50:39

you know, so this,

50:42

the R2 is a two-row crossover,

50:45

two-row SUV, you say

50:47

about the size of a four-door Wrangler. And

50:50

it's built on an all-new platform. But

50:53

they then, you know, RJ

50:55

Skynner, the CEO and founder

50:58

Rivian, pulled one

51:00

more thing. And

51:03

he showed off this, which is

51:05

the R3, which is

51:07

an even smaller EV based on

51:09

the same platform. It's

51:11

about five inches shorter. So

51:14

it's roughly, you know, similar

51:16

size to like a VW Golf

51:20

and really, really cute, you

51:22

know, compact hatchback that

51:24

I think, you know, could do really well. And

51:28

we don't know when this one is going to go

51:30

into production. And to be honest, you

51:33

know, beyond what the dates that they announced for

51:35

the R2, we don't really

51:37

know when or even if that

51:39

one's going to make it into production. Because the

51:42

problem that Rivian has, like a lot of

51:44

other automotive startups, especially EV startups, is

51:47

they're not making money. And,

51:49

you know, one of the

51:51

other things that came out of the news

51:53

on Thursday, in addition to revealing these new

51:55

vehicles, the R2 and the R3, is that...

52:00

Rivian has been working on

52:02

building a second assembly plant in Georgia.

52:04

Their first assembly plant is in Illinois

52:07

where they bought a closed assembly

52:09

plant that was formerly owned by

52:11

Mitsubishi. They're building a second plant

52:13

in Georgia. They have revealed

52:16

that they have paused production on that plant

52:19

or construction on that plant and

52:22

they don't know when they're going to resume. Basically,

52:24

they're trying to save on the money because they've

52:27

been burning through about four billion dollars

52:30

a year. Right now, they have a

52:32

little less than eight billion dollars left

52:34

in the bank and

52:37

at four billion dollars a year, if they don't

52:39

get to profitability or at least break even, then

52:42

they could be out of money in two years

52:44

which is about the time that the R2 is

52:46

supposed to arrive. Would that

52:48

make you reluctant to buy one

52:50

of these because of the the

52:54

risk that the company won't be there to back it

52:56

up? Yeah, it certainly

52:58

would for me because you're

53:00

making a big investment. An

53:03

R1, which is the only product they have

53:05

right now, starts at 75,000 dollars. If

53:10

I'm spending that much money on a product, I

53:12

want to know that whoever is building it is

53:14

going to be around for the long run to

53:16

support that. That there's going to be parts available

53:18

and other things.

53:20

Most people do

53:22

not have the financial resources to be

53:24

able to just say, okay,

53:27

my 75,000 dollar car, my 100,000 dollar car no longer works.

53:29

It's obsolete now. It's

53:34

one thing when your phone stops working,

53:36

stops getting updates. When

53:38

your car is no longer

53:40

supported, that's a little bit of a different story.

53:42

That's why I bought a fisker because

53:45

I want to know.

53:47

You saw the story

53:49

Marquez Brownlee panned fisker,

53:52

probably rightly so, for

53:55

bad software. I have a friend who Or

54:00

Oscar winner who are. To.

54:03

He and his wife drove the Fisker up to

54:05

the Academy Awards some years ago. Was the original

54:07

Fisker, not the ocean? And damn. That.

54:09

Could give our see black. Now.

54:11

Is a different different oscar winner? Ah

54:13

Air. I don't one name names but

54:15

you know and but they couldn't get

54:17

out of the car is a success.

54:19

Was broken with it was a somewhat

54:21

embarrassing when you're driving up to the

54:23

red carpets. Ah so I knew and

54:25

this was years ago I knew that

54:27

the Fisker at my have a. Buggy.

54:30

Software but that really that really hurt them.

54:33

When Brownlee a pandemic I think the tank,

54:35

the stock effects. I think it put the

54:37

company Jacques is already in the tanks Marquez

54:40

ever got his hands on a are get

54:42

it but it takes the company didn't mean

54:44

is there and now. Didn't know

54:46

a lot and it it it was. It

54:49

will are reminders. Had this assessment that

54:51

you're not. It was as it was

54:53

already times already into armed and like.

54:56

Like most of the companies that went

54:58

public and twenty twenty one, twenty two

55:00

years back transactions their stock prices down

55:02

to something about ninety eight percent from

55:05

their peak. And

55:07

and that includes Riven He a ribbon is

55:09

among us. The ribbon did next to us

55:11

back they did a traditional i feel like

55:13

the other stocked isn't tank compared to the

55:15

peak that it hit after they went public.

55:18

Most of the other companies. That have

55:20

done that, did that are in

55:22

a similar situation and. And

55:25

Sisters had a lot of

55:27

issues with production with getting

55:29

it imparts distribution. Ah, and

55:31

he I spoke with with

55:33

Hundred Sister back in January

55:36

cs the A when they

55:38

were announcing that they were.

55:40

There. Were dropping their original plan to do

55:43

company on stores and sell direct consumers

55:45

like Tesla dusts and going was a

55:47

traditional dealer model because turns out that

55:49

yeah, if you have a lot of

55:51

you use it takes a lot of

55:53

money to set up your own stores

55:55

in your own service. Our. Ah,

55:57

he got a buys her a a buyer least

56:00

the land, set up the facilities, and

56:03

that's a really expensive proposition. Whereas

56:06

with traditional automakers, with

56:08

franchise dealers, the

56:10

dealers are independent businesses. They're the ones

56:13

making that investment. They're

56:16

selling the vehicles to the dealers at a

56:18

wholesale price, which hopefully

56:20

is still profitable for the automaker, but

56:22

then they don't have to make that

56:24

investment in all the service and retail

56:26

and support directly. The

56:28

dealers are making that investment, and that comes

56:30

out of their end. Which brings us to

56:32

you haven't been on since Apple canceled its

56:36

rumored car project. We should

56:38

say rumors say they canceled

56:40

their rumored car project, although I think the

56:42

rumors are pretty credible. Well, the car project was not,

56:44

it was... Well, they never announced it. Let's put it

56:46

that way. We know it was real, but they never

56:48

announced it. And probably

56:51

for similar reasons. It's a big deal

56:53

to get into the corner business from

56:56

scratch. Yeah.

56:58

I mean, most automakers have

57:00

at best upper single

57:02

digit profit margins. There's a couple,

57:05

like Porsche and Ferrari, that managed

57:07

to crack the 20% profit margin.

57:11

Apple is typically 40 to 45% for its other

57:13

products. Right.

57:15

Which is why I was always skeptical that

57:18

Apple would ever actually move

57:20

forward and produce a vehicle and sell it.

57:23

Because it's

57:25

not possible to make those kind of margins in

57:29

the car business. It's too competitive.

57:31

There's too many players. You

57:35

can't sell vehicle... If

57:38

you want to be a mainstream

57:40

product, which is what Apple does,

57:42

I mean, they produce products, high

57:44

volume products. You're

57:47

never going to be more than a niche player

57:49

at those kinds of price points. If

57:52

you want to sell hundreds of thousands

57:55

to millions of vehicles a year, you

57:57

cannot sell them at the company. of

58:00

price points and margins that

58:02

Apple is used to. And

58:04

we talked about this last week on Twitter

58:07

at some length, but it

58:09

was never likely to be a successful

58:11

endeavor for Apple. Well,

58:14

I wish you had told Tim Cook that

58:16

before he invested a billion dollars a year

58:18

for the last 10 years. I did write

58:20

that in early 2015 when

58:23

you tried. If he had been reading

58:25

my blog, he would have known this

58:27

and he could have pulled the plug back in 2015.

58:29

They were thinking he may have to sell it for

58:31

100,000. The other thing, and you were on Twitter when

58:33

you said this a couple of weeks ago, they

58:36

decided they weren't going to be able

58:39

to reach level five autonomy. You said

58:41

something which is kind of shocking to me. Level

58:43

five means a car can drive itself in

58:45

any condition, whether it's seen the road or not, without

58:49

any human intervention. You said you don't think

58:51

we'll ever get to level five. Most

58:56

of the people that I know of that

58:58

are in the business

59:00

of trying to develop automated driving systems

59:03

don't believe that we will ever get to level

59:05

five autonomy. Interesting. In your lifetime or in all

59:07

lifetimes? Well, you can't predict a thousand years from

59:10

now. No, no, no, no. I don't mean a

59:12

thousand years from now. I'm saying even

59:15

in the next 100 years. I

59:19

don't like to project out beyond about 10 to 15, maybe 20 years. But

59:21

certainly in the next 10,

59:27

15 years, we are

59:29

extremely unlikely to get to level

59:31

five autonomy. Like you said, that's

59:34

a vehicle that is capable of driving under

59:37

any conditions on any roads without

59:40

human intervention. What we have

59:42

today is level four, which is

59:45

driving without human intervention or

59:47

supervision, but within some limited

59:49

operating domain, like say the

59:51

city limits of San Francisco,

59:54

or only operating in daylight hours. As

59:57

in Waymo or GM screens. So,

1:00:00

you know, the constraints

1:00:02

can be anything that you set, you know,

1:00:04

whatever the capabilities are. Well,

1:00:08

furthermore, we've learned subsequently,

1:00:11

certainly with GM and probably with Waymo,

1:00:14

there is a driver back at the home office

1:00:17

who takes over if it gets in a situation it

1:00:20

can't handle. And there's some evidence

1:00:22

that that happens more often than one would like

1:00:24

to admit or certainly than the companies would like

1:00:26

to admit. Yeah, I mean, you

1:00:28

know, they have staff that are

1:00:30

monitoring these vehicles while they're in operation. It's kind

1:00:33

of like playing the, you know,

1:00:35

a Gran Turismo. You've got a steering wheel and

1:00:37

pedals back at the home office. Do they drive

1:00:39

it like that? In

1:00:41

some cases, yes. I

1:00:43

don't think that that's not what

1:00:46

what Cruise and Waymo and most others are doing.

1:00:48

But there have been companies that have done it

1:00:50

that way. In

1:00:53

most cases, what they're doing is, you

1:00:55

know, the vehicle is designed to

1:00:57

be able to operate without that

1:00:59

human supervision. But when it gets

1:01:01

into a situation, it doesn't know how to handle,

1:01:03

then it's intended to pull

1:01:06

itself over to a safe place, pull itself to

1:01:08

a safe stop somewhere and call back for help.

1:01:11

And then whoever supervising it can give it some

1:01:13

hints as to what to do. So if there's

1:01:15

a construction zone and it's not quite sure how

1:01:18

it should maneuver around, then

1:01:20

rather than trying to drive it directly

1:01:22

remotely, which can be problematic, especially in

1:01:25

something like the city because of the

1:01:27

latency involved in the communications, is what

1:01:31

the remote operator, the teleoperator will

1:01:33

do is give it some hints and

1:01:35

say, OK, you're allowed to, we're

1:01:37

going to let you cross this double yellow line

1:01:39

here, which normally you can't cross, to

1:01:42

go around this obstruction or

1:01:44

make a U-turn here and go back either way. So

1:01:46

just a little amendment of the rules. So

1:01:49

this story from CNBC back in November, after

1:01:52

crews went out of effectively

1:01:54

went out of the self-driving car business, they

1:01:57

kind of got a little more honest. He

1:02:00

said, Cruz confirms robotexes rely on

1:02:02

human assistance every four to

1:02:04

five miles. Oh, wow. Yeah.

1:02:07

That's a lot. Even if they're

1:02:09

just saying you can cross that double yellow line, that's

1:02:11

a lot. So

1:02:13

that gives you some idea. And that

1:02:15

was their attempt at level five. No,

1:02:18

it was level four. That was also level

1:02:20

four. Okay. Yeah, because

1:02:22

it's limited in where, in what

1:02:24

geographic locations it can operate in.

1:02:26

Sometimes it's limited by, say, weather

1:02:29

conditions or other criteria. So

1:02:31

there is nobody that was actually

1:02:33

working on a level five system.

1:02:36

Interesting. Nominally, you know, Tesla

1:02:38

is supposedly doing that. But

1:02:41

the reality is, you know, that that what

1:02:43

they have will never actually be capable of level

1:02:45

five operation because they don't even have anything

1:02:48

to keep the sensors clean. Right. And

1:02:50

the only sensors they use are cameras. You know, I was

1:02:52

impressed. You

1:02:55

kind of agreed that I should get the BMW i5. I

1:02:57

ordered it when they first announced it. And you said, no,

1:02:59

that's going to be nice. And

1:03:02

you've driven it since and confirmed. But

1:03:04

the other day it said the camera is a little smudged. You

1:03:06

want me to clean it? I said,

1:03:08

yeah. You can clean it. And it

1:03:10

went, and the camera got cleaned. Cool. Yeah.

1:03:13

So it's got a little windshield wipers. I don't know how it's

1:03:15

working. That's neat. If it's the

1:03:18

forward, you know, the main camera that's

1:03:20

up by your mirror, you know, that

1:03:22

can be cleaned by your main windshield

1:03:24

wipers. But there's

1:03:26

also other cameras. There's a camera on

1:03:28

the front in the

1:03:30

front fascia, in the grill area, another one

1:03:32

in the back. And they

1:03:34

have their own separate washers. It's so cool.

1:03:37

Yeah. And you know, if you were

1:03:39

going to do any kind of automated driving, that's

1:03:41

essential. Yeah. You have to

1:03:43

keep those cameras clean. Yeah. No,

1:03:46

Cruz had sensor cleaning systems. Oh, they did. Oh,

1:03:49

okay. Yes. And it

1:03:51

says Waymo and every other company that is serious

1:03:53

about this. The only one that doesn't. Yeah.

1:03:56

That's the one. Yeah. Sammable

1:03:58

Samet principal researcher. guide

1:04:00

has insights it's always fun to talk to Sam.

1:04:02

So John Ashley sent me a question

1:04:07

from a viewer. Oh let's do it. Do

1:04:09

you want to do that one? Yeah. Yeah

1:04:12

should I read the question or should you? Go ahead and read

1:04:14

the question. Okay. Go ahead and read

1:04:16

the question and then I'll give you it. Where's

1:04:18

that question? Or I

1:04:20

can read it. I have it open here. Yeah you read

1:04:23

it because I should have volunteered. Alright.

1:04:25

So this came in from

1:04:28

Trent. He sent it in

1:04:30

to Twit and

1:04:32

says I have a three

1:04:34

body problem. A few years back

1:04:36

my wife and I picked up a travel trailer. We

1:04:38

go love to go camping but have hit that age.

1:04:41

We're setting up a tent or even a Trent tent

1:04:43

trailer is no longer fun. I can sympathize with that.

1:04:46

Anyway we also picked up a truck to

1:04:48

tow the trailer. But with gas prices

1:04:50

as high as they are in Canada it

1:04:52

costing 800 dollars

1:04:55

a month at the low end and sometimes

1:04:57

over $1,200 a month during camping season just

1:04:59

in fuel cost. Oh I have a friend

1:05:01

who says to sell the truck by an

1:05:03

older cheaper tow vehicle but also keep an

1:05:05

older inexpensive car drive around when not towing

1:05:07

a trailer. But I'm trying to cut

1:05:09

the hydrocarbon cord and would love to get an electric

1:05:12

vehicle. Trouble is there's only a handful

1:05:14

of vehicles that can tow a 6,000 pound trailer.

1:05:17

The Ford Lightning, the upcoming Chevy

1:05:19

Silverado EV, the Hummer and the

1:05:21

Rivian and also the Tesla Cybercar.

1:05:24

But those are kind of expensive and

1:05:27

my friend who loves his old car says

1:05:29

they're cutting production of both the Lightning and

1:05:31

Silverado for he claims build quality reasons. So

1:05:33

that's not entirely true. Ford

1:05:36

did reduce production of the Lightning but

1:05:38

not for quality reasons but rather just

1:05:40

because of demand. Trying to

1:05:42

match production with demand. Silverado

1:05:44

on the other hand they've had some

1:05:47

manufacturing issues with the battery modules. So

1:05:50

they haven't cut production they just haven't been able to ramp

1:05:52

it up yet. And

1:05:54

then the third body of this problem is I'm

1:05:56

not exactly flush with cash. The former option is

1:05:59

the most affordable. affordable, that

1:06:01

being to buy an older tow

1:06:03

vehicle up front, but means we're still

1:06:05

at the mercy of big oil. To

1:06:07

be able to afford the second plan, the EV,

1:06:09

we'd love, we'd have to look at leasing a

1:06:11

Lightning, but is that even worthwhile? Yes,

1:06:14

there's the whole issue of ownership, but the value

1:06:16

of our current truck has more than halved since

1:06:18

we picked it up three or four years ago,

1:06:20

so there seems to be very little value to

1:06:22

ownership anyway. Our EV trucks

1:06:25

really as bad as my Car Stop friend says,

1:06:28

is leasing a viable option to get into EVs.

1:06:31

Help me, you're my only hope. So

1:06:34

here's the deal. The

1:06:39

EV trucks are a viable option in terms of

1:06:41

their capability to tow a 6,000 or

1:06:43

more pound

1:06:46

trailer. You can tow 10,000

1:06:48

pounds of the Lightning, 11 with

1:06:51

the Rivian or the Cybertruck,

1:06:55

the Hummer is only about 7,200 pounds. So

1:06:59

you can tow, but the

1:07:01

problem, as Trent

1:07:03

has no doubt noticed, is that

1:07:06

when you hook up a big heavy

1:07:08

travel trailer to the back of any

1:07:10

vehicle that you're towing with, your

1:07:12

fuel economy or your energy efficiency

1:07:14

goes way, way down, typically by

1:07:16

at least half. So whether

1:07:19

it's a gas vehicle, if

1:07:21

you're getting 20 miles per gallon with that truck,

1:07:23

you're going to get 10 with that trailer typically.

1:07:27

The same is also true for an electric one. And

1:07:31

that's where the problem comes in. You

1:07:33

can tow that weight with an electric

1:07:35

truck, but your range instead of being

1:07:37

300 miles might

1:07:40

be 150 miles. Or

1:07:42

depending on the shape and size of the trailer

1:07:45

and how much aerodynamic drag you get could be

1:07:47

even less. Some tests with

1:07:49

the Lightning towing a big travel trailer have

1:07:52

seen range as low as 100 miles.

1:07:56

So that's why if your

1:07:58

primary reason for having the truck is

1:08:01

to tow a big camper trailer, don't

1:08:04

buy an electric truck. Yeah, the

1:08:06

electric trucks are great at

1:08:08

everything else. They're

1:08:10

as good as a gas truck, for

1:08:12

payload and every other

1:08:14

use case, except for long distance

1:08:16

towing. And if you're doing

1:08:19

$1,200 a month during camping

1:08:21

season, I'm guessing you're towing that trailer

1:08:23

long distances. And because of

1:08:26

the way charging stations are set up right

1:08:28

now, in most cases you don't have a

1:08:30

pull through charging like you do at a

1:08:32

gas station where you can pull up, fill

1:08:35

it up, you would have to, in many

1:08:37

cases, disconnect your trailer every time you

1:08:39

stop to charge, pull up

1:08:41

to the charger, it's gonna be

1:08:43

a real hassle. You're gonna have to do it frequently.

1:08:47

So don't buy an electric truck if your

1:08:49

primary use case is long distance towing. That

1:08:52

said, I would actually

1:08:54

agree with the friend who says to sell, well,

1:08:58

if the resell value of your

1:09:01

existing truck is

1:09:04

already half of what you paid for

1:09:06

it, actually don't sell it, just keep

1:09:08

it. Because the older cheaper tow vehicle

1:09:11

is probably going to use as

1:09:13

much or more gas to do the

1:09:15

same job. So just keep the truck you have.

1:09:18

But for the

1:09:20

less expensive vehicle to drive on

1:09:22

a daily basis, buy

1:09:25

an EV for that. So

1:09:27

I would strongly, I mean, if what you

1:09:29

want is just a daily runabout to

1:09:32

get around town, think about getting

1:09:34

a used Chevy Bolt or a

1:09:36

Nissan Leaf. Those vehicles will

1:09:38

probably meet all your needs and

1:09:41

you can probably buy a used Bolt or a

1:09:43

Leaf for $15,000, maybe

1:09:47

even less in some cases. Stay away

1:09:49

from the first generation Leafs, the shorter

1:09:51

range ones, because they have issues with

1:09:53

the battery degrading, but every other EV

1:09:55

is fine. But yeah,

1:09:58

consider buying a used... used a

1:10:00

Chevy Bolt and keep your existing

1:10:02

truck. That would be my

1:10:04

recommendation. Is the Chevy Bolt discontinued? Yes,

1:10:07

it went out of production. They ended production in

1:10:09

December. Didn't they change their mind and then change

1:10:12

what I think? They

1:10:14

are going to bring the Bolt back. They are bringing it

1:10:16

back. In 2025, yeah. Okay. But

1:10:19

so the Bolt that they built up until

1:10:21

last December was based on older

1:10:23

technology for the motor and the battery. So

1:10:26

they are bringing back the Bolt, EUV, they say

1:10:29

in 2025, probably later in 2025. And

1:10:34

it's going to use newer

1:10:36

motors from their Altium platform. They are

1:10:38

more efficient. And also

1:10:40

an LFP, a lithium iron phosphate

1:10:43

battery pack, which

1:10:45

will be less expensive. And

1:10:48

so hopefully at that point, they will at least

1:10:50

be able to get to break even if not

1:10:52

profitable with that vehicle. So it is

1:10:54

coming back, but it's not available. You

1:10:56

can actually still buy new Bolts right

1:10:58

now. There are still Bolts available on

1:11:01

some dealer lots. So if you want to

1:11:03

buy a new one, you can get a really good deal

1:11:05

on a Bolt. We love our Bolt. It was a great,

1:11:07

we got it for a very, very good deal with the

1:11:09

least expensive EV out there. And

1:11:12

with the $7,500 tax break, I think

1:11:14

it ended up being like 20 grand. And

1:11:16

I know Anthony Nielsen just bought an EUV and he's

1:11:18

very happy with it. So I was sad

1:11:20

when I heard they were going to discontinue it and

1:11:22

I'm glad that they have decided to make it again.

1:11:25

Yeah, I mean, I think Trent sounds like

1:11:27

Trent. Yeah, Trent's in Canada. So

1:11:31

they have different tax breaks. I don't know if they

1:11:33

have what the weird

1:11:35

one would be on a Bolt, but that would be

1:11:37

my recommendation. Here's my tip. Lease

1:11:40

it. So

1:11:42

I was, we were going to, I was going

1:11:44

to buy the I-5 outright because that's my last

1:11:46

car because I'm an old guy. And I thought,

1:11:48

well, I'll probably keep this 10, 15 years. And

1:11:51

by then I shouldn't be driving. And

1:11:54

the salesman said, well, if

1:11:57

you lease it, so the BMW is assembled

1:11:59

in Germany. not eligible for the $7,500 tax credit you

1:12:01

have to be made in the US. So if you lease

1:12:03

it, there is a $7,500 fleet lease. Yeah,

1:12:08

the commercial vehicle tax

1:12:10

credit. And if you lease, it

1:12:13

actually falls under that commercial

1:12:15

vehicle transaction. Part

1:12:18

of the production act. By the

1:12:20

way, I'm not running the fleet. I

1:12:23

got one. Yeah. But I

1:12:25

guess I... It's still a commercial transaction because

1:12:28

what's happening is the manufacturer is selling it

1:12:30

to the leasing company, the bank or their

1:12:33

finance arm. And

1:12:36

then they are leasing it to you. Oh, it does get sold. Okay, I

1:12:38

get it. It does get sold.

1:12:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. And

1:12:43

so manufacturers... Because

1:12:45

for the IRA tax credits now, the

1:12:47

vehicle has to be built, the final

1:12:49

assembly in North America, US, Canada or

1:12:51

Mexico. And the battery has

1:12:53

to have a certain percentage of

1:12:56

North American content or content

1:12:59

from fleet pre-trade partner

1:13:01

countries. And so... I'm

1:13:04

not against any of that. I think that's good

1:13:06

to invent manufacturers to fill in the US. Yeah,

1:13:08

so the I5 is built in Germany. It doesn't

1:13:11

qualify for that. But if you

1:13:13

lease it, you can get that. And the same

1:13:15

is true for vehicles built in Korea and

1:13:17

Japan. There were enough discounts on it between that

1:13:19

and the friends and family because lease owns a

1:13:22

mini that he said, well, it's going to cost you

1:13:24

the same whether you lease it or buy it. So might as

1:13:26

well lease it. And then if you

1:13:28

decide to buy it... Yeah, and then at the end of the lease, you can buy it

1:13:30

out. And it's the same price. And in fact, recently,

1:13:34

it's come out that there

1:13:36

are some companies that

1:13:39

are doing special

1:13:42

lease agreements. So basically, you lease

1:13:44

the vehicle. So you get the $7,500

1:13:46

that's passed through on the lease terms. And

1:13:51

then typically, at the end of the lease term, at

1:13:53

the end of 36 months or 24 months or

1:13:57

whatever the lease term is, you have the option to buy the

1:13:59

vehicle. vehicle. Well what they're doing now

1:14:01

is on some of these EVs they

1:14:04

are there's telling customers that

1:14:08

if you have the option you know to

1:14:10

buy it after two months so lease

1:14:12

it for two months and at the end at any time

1:14:14

after two months you can buy out the lease. So

1:14:18

if you wanted to buy it you know I

1:14:20

don't know if BMW is doing that. That's kind

1:14:22

of cool. Yeah Sam

1:14:24

we have taken way too much of your day

1:14:26

I hope you're gonna have a wonderful day and

1:14:30

we will see you in a month and we'll see you

1:14:32

sooner than that I hope on Twitter. Sam

1:14:34

will send it. Principal Researcher, Godhouse Insights of

1:14:36

course you can hear him every week on

1:14:38

the Wheel Bearings podcast and your

1:14:40

colleague. Fresh episode up now we talk

1:14:42

about the Rivian R2

1:14:44

and R3 and and also charging

1:14:48

a Ford Mustang Mach-E and an Infiniti

1:14:50

G80 at Tesla Superchargers. They say they

1:14:52

guess they had a run on the

1:14:54

NEX adapters at Ford. Everybody if I

1:14:56

saw the Mach-E I would have got

1:14:59

that. Sure. I have to say in

1:15:01

the three years I had that Mach-E

1:15:03

I only used a Supercharger or an

1:15:05

external charger of any kind like twice.

1:15:08

Once on a road trip to Carmel and

1:15:10

once just to see how it works. Yeah

1:15:13

and that's the time I just charge it at home. Most

1:15:15

people charge at home which is the most

1:15:17

economical way to do it. The DC fast

1:15:19

charging can be expensive but

1:15:21

if you own a Ford

1:15:23

EV either a Lightning, an

1:15:25

e-transit or the Mach-E you

1:15:29

can go to ford.com/fast

1:15:31

charging adapters and

1:15:34

between now and the end of June you can

1:15:36

go on there and you put in the VIN

1:15:38

number of your vehicle and they will

1:15:40

send you a free adapter. Faster that time after

1:15:42

June it'll cost you 230 bucks for the adapter.

1:15:46

Don't wait. Thank you

1:15:48

Sam. Samable Sam had always jam-packed

1:15:51

with information. Have a great

1:15:53

day. See you guys next time. Thank you. We're going to

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And I think Emma Stone should definitely win Best

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to pick up on Melissa. Oh,

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Melissa. Hi, Melissa. Star

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six to unmute. Hey, Leo. You got Jamie out

1:18:18

of Tampa, Florida. How are you doing, sir? Great.

1:18:20

Is it James or Jamie? It's

1:18:23

Jamie. I caught about the antenna a

1:18:25

couple weeks ago. Yeah, hi, Jamie. Welcome. Thank

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you, Leo. Michael, how are you guys doing

1:18:31

today? We're great. How did

1:18:33

the antenna solution work out? Well,

1:18:37

so I went to the pool. This

1:18:39

is the guy, by the way, who had one

1:18:41

of those flat panel antennas. It worked better when

1:18:44

the wire was out exposed than

1:18:46

when the antenna was out, which tells me

1:18:48

that the wire was the antenna. So go

1:18:50

ahead. So

1:18:55

on the advice that you gave me, Leo, I

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went to tvfool.com. And

1:19:03

it's probably going to go down again in

1:19:05

about 15 seconds. It is. They must be

1:19:07

running that server on spit and twine, because,

1:19:09

yeah, as soon as I mention it every

1:19:12

time, boom. OK. Right.

1:19:14

So I went to TV pool, and it said that

1:19:16

it told me, because I put in my address, and

1:19:18

it told me, I guess it also tells

1:19:20

you what kind of antenna you need and

1:19:23

what stations you can pick up with it. And

1:19:26

so I live

1:19:29

about 17 miles away from the

1:19:31

tower. And

1:19:33

all the stations seem to be coming from one general

1:19:36

direction, actually. Which is good news,

1:19:38

because you can name an antenna at it. Yeah.

1:19:41

Right. And so it told me

1:19:43

that I needed, it recommended

1:19:45

a mohoo leaf antenna.

1:19:47

It's called that, because it's literally just

1:19:49

things like thin and flexible like a

1:19:51

leaf. It's a good antenna, yeah. So

1:19:55

I bought one of those. It's actually hanging

1:19:57

up on the wall, almost toward the bedroom

1:19:59

ceiling. right now as we're speaking right

1:20:01

now and it's actually right

1:20:03

near it's actually I

1:20:06

if I if I had to give you

1:20:08

an accurate measurement I'd say it's about oh

1:20:11

goodness I'd say about maybe three

1:20:14

inches away from my bedroom window yeah and it's

1:20:19

coming in all the stations are coming in

1:20:21

except for one and that's the CBS affiliate

1:20:23

down here but then again their signal is

1:20:25

so weak that you could see the

1:20:27

no go out indoor antenna

1:20:29

is never going to be as good as one you could

1:20:31

put on the roof we don't want to put one

1:20:33

on the roof in lightning country obviously so but

1:20:36

I'm yeah you could get all but that weak

1:20:39

station that's pretty impressive is that better

1:20:41

than you were getting yeah with the

1:20:43

wire on the floor oh yeah oh

1:20:45

yeah exactly and now with that but

1:20:48

that's one less wire for me to

1:20:50

triple word no did you get did you

1:20:52

get the one who in gray tweed yeah

1:20:56

that's the one I got that's you know it's

1:20:59

not as ugly you know you could put that

1:21:01

on the wall and people might think well

1:21:03

that's some sort of weird interesting light fixture

1:21:06

something interesting little thing exactly they won't know

1:21:08

what it is but I know exactly what

1:21:10

yeah so Leo one of the one I

1:21:12

do have a general question for you and

1:21:14

it's about all these streaming services that I'm

1:21:17

actually going to be dropping because oh

1:21:19

we're gonna crack that on password

1:21:21

during translation translation daddy needs

1:21:23

a new yacht right so the question so

1:21:29

my question is I

1:21:32

keep hearing all broadcast TV is dying broadcast season

1:21:34

the climb because everybody wants to go on Netflix

1:21:36

or who or whatever is that

1:21:38

I mean I mean what was it

1:21:41

still very profitable now I think that's

1:21:43

really propaganda from the

1:21:45

broadcasters who say gee we don't

1:21:47

make enough money with advertising and

1:21:49

charging you we

1:21:52

need more and they probably want

1:21:54

tax cuts or FCC some sort

1:21:56

of FCC loophole I Don't think

1:21:58

they're dying I think they're doing. Fine, but

1:22:00

I do think. There

1:22:03

will come a day, not the near future, but

1:22:05

there will come a day where they start broadcasting

1:22:07

and they just do it all over the top

1:22:10

of the internet. But they won't but they never.

1:22:12

Yeah, As with the exists your get your you're

1:22:14

going to get your thirty dollars at a your

1:22:16

Mobo, You're going to get your thirty dollars worth

1:22:18

of guarantee you it's gonna be years before those

1:22:21

broadcast signals go when if ever. But

1:22:23

you know where is it I would

1:22:26

ever you're either I would remind you

1:22:28

they're trying to kill a M radio

1:22:30

right as month doesn't come in many

1:22:32

cars, emotions and and all of a

1:22:34

sudden congress he and broadcasters for a

1:22:36

M radio everybody say no se me

1:22:38

radio that good as did area or

1:22:41

any A which is really economically a

1:22:43

way not feasible. It is dying broadcast

1:22:45

television is here to stay. your mobile

1:22:47

is gonna gifts nice strong signals forever.

1:22:50

And. The Best. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

1:22:53

Ah yeah, yeah yeah. affected. The president's

1:22:56

The current theory is that they can

1:22:58

meet your teeth. They know that have

1:23:00

raised by to assess our as was

1:23:02

free and is good quality. As good

1:23:04

as you do. Have a T a

1:23:06

C three in the Tampa yet. We.

1:23:09

do I and of humor see an old except

1:23:12

for other have that kind of i don't know

1:23:14

how does that you long been on on the

1:23:16

set up under that and by the way

1:23:18

one of the things a little disappointing that that

1:23:20

potentially could have given your forte broadcast signal but

1:23:23

most the time. Broadcasters. Is

1:23:25

Susan extra bandwidth to to slice up

1:23:27

their signal and give you you know

1:23:29

man rye rye rye flour, Matlock reruns

1:23:31

on Or and a sub channels and

1:23:33

I have a I have a friend

1:23:35

I have a friend that has.net and

1:23:37

as in the cows Yeah and let

1:23:39

them sweet Director of a Paper Network

1:23:41

will build up to some issues that

1:23:43

you think the in the near future.

1:23:46

They're. Gonna start charging that we subscription

1:23:48

be like cable does. they cannot relate

1:23:50

believes the one. I'm. Not.

1:23:53

Own a Thursday. sit out when

1:23:55

they are down here. Not.

1:24:00

No, the streaming service is like Netflix. Oh, they

1:24:02

might. Is what I'm referring to. Oh yeah, they

1:24:04

might. Yeah, the who? Yeah,

1:24:06

yeah, so the theory is that she has

1:24:08

it, my friend has it, they

1:24:10

might charge you Netflix or Disney

1:24:13

Plus or whoever might charge you or we subscription feed. So

1:24:15

let's say you can't say, you know, and then if you

1:24:17

want to say. You can't go after watching a show and

1:24:19

then you go back, then they say, okay, it's $10, but

1:24:22

it's also $2 because you just left. Yeah,

1:24:26

that makes sense. That's a big problem for

1:24:28

them is this churn or somebody watches succession,

1:24:30

it's over. And then they go,

1:24:33

well, I'm gonna cancel my subscription until Game

1:24:35

of Thrones comes back. That would be an

1:24:37

interesting choice. I think the thing is it's

1:24:39

already built into the prices. This is why

1:24:41

they raised the prices in the first place

1:24:43

is because of churn. And so you've got

1:24:45

that. Daddy's got his new yacht. He's got

1:24:47

his new yacht. He's got

1:24:49

his new yacht. That would be. Yeah, his

1:24:52

guy has new yacht, he's a Lamborghini. Yeah,

1:24:55

that's all he needs a Lambo to go

1:24:57

with the yacht. And they also, I mean,

1:24:59

factored into the price too, right? They have

1:25:01

the churners who are factored in. They say,

1:25:03

okay, we have these people who are consistent

1:25:05

and they're standard, but we know in time

1:25:07

a new show comes out, we're gonna make

1:25:09

a lot of money in the moment. So

1:25:11

yeah, I would eat a

1:25:14

fondant hat if

1:25:20

they started charging resubscription fees on Netflix. Oh, that's tasty.

1:25:22

Yeah, I'm not gonna eat a real hat. And the

1:25:24

fact that this is refined though, the

1:25:27

facts of services like Pluto and tubers are

1:25:29

going, I mean, they're beefy, they're a beefy, pretty, pretty,

1:25:31

pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, Yeah,

1:25:34

so this is interesting. You know, we've talked about this

1:25:36

before. I think we talked about it with you, Jamie,

1:25:38

which is we're in

1:25:40

a transition time between the

1:25:42

old school three channels on a TV set through

1:25:44

a giant antenna on the roof

1:25:47

to over the top streaming. And all

1:25:49

sorts of different models are being tried out.

1:25:51

Ads supported, Netflix is doing it, and Amazon

1:25:53

Prime just added ads to theirs. So, I

1:25:56

mean, I think we're gonna see

1:25:58

a lot of experimentation. We're... in

1:26:01

a time of great change. Isn't

1:26:03

it how like some movies begin like

1:26:05

it was a time of great change.

1:26:07

That's how Shogun begins. Yep, that's how

1:26:10

they do it. It

1:26:12

was a time of great. So we're in that time

1:26:14

right now. Right

1:26:17

and Pluto and Tubi are kicking butt though.

1:26:19

I agree. I think for a lot of

1:26:21

people there are good free streaming over the

1:26:23

top services. If

1:26:26

you're willing to watch some ads and usually the

1:26:28

ads are not that bad. They don't do as

1:26:30

many units per hour. No, they're not that bad. Yeah.

1:26:32

Hey, a pleasure talking to you Jamie. I'm glad that

1:26:34

that Mohun Leaf worked and you know

1:26:37

what by the way I went to TVFool as

1:26:39

soon as you mentioned it. They

1:26:41

were down. Big white page. Holy

1:26:43

crap. Like Deja Vu again. You broke

1:26:45

it. You broke it my friend. Deja

1:26:48

Vu. tvfool.com. Don't go now.

1:26:50

Go later. Go later. You'll be able

1:26:52

to get on there. Got it. Hi

1:26:54

Jamie. Great to talk to you. You're

1:26:57

watching Ask The Tech Guys. Leo Laporte. Mike

1:26:59

is Sargent. And

1:27:01

senior producer John Ashley. Look

1:27:05

at this. This is TVFool. Oh. I

1:27:08

feel like. What have you done? I

1:27:10

feel like they must go. Oh gosh darn it. Leo

1:27:12

mentioned it. No, not. I must

1:27:14

go. You know it's got to be

1:27:16

running in somebody's backyard or something. That can't

1:27:18

be a very good server. Can you

1:27:20

put the Discord in the lower monitor John?

1:27:24

I think it's Leo's hair cam right now.

1:27:26

And they gave me a hair brush. Oh.

1:27:29

So I can brush my hair. Well.

1:27:32

I'm not your hair. He's got the button right there. Watch. He's got

1:27:34

the button. See look at this. He's got push it and there it

1:27:36

goes to the Discord. It's a magic

1:27:38

button. What

1:27:41

else should we do John? I was just stalling for you

1:27:43

John Ashley. Oh well. Should I do this?

1:27:45

Yeah let's do it. Amateur. What is it? Amateurs

1:27:49

will never have. If the other

1:27:51

you know the other. Amateurs never

1:27:53

prosper. Yes. I think. On

1:27:56

planes. On planes. Jet lag.

1:27:58

Jet lag is for amateurs. We

1:28:00

got it. We got it. Okay. So

1:28:02

this comes from Fred. He says, long

1:28:05

time listener. That was six

1:28:07

Os. No, eight Os. First

1:28:10

time emailer, I love your show and have

1:28:12

for many years. Thank you Fred. Also

1:28:15

a club Twitter member. I know that Fred because

1:28:17

I recognize your name. I saw something I don't

1:28:19

understand. I cannot find out about by

1:28:22

doing some Google searches. That's when they call us.

1:28:25

Yes. When Google searches fail you. We're

1:28:27

post Google. I was

1:28:29

trying to install a free software package on my

1:28:31

Mac mini to make

1:28:33

bootable thumb drives. And

1:28:36

I hit a snag. I fell for one of those click

1:28:38

to download traps. Oh no. I

1:28:41

had to uninstall all the junk I had just installed. What he's

1:28:43

saying is a lot of times when you go to these download

1:28:45

sites they have a

1:28:47

special downloader that downloads a bunch of

1:28:49

other stuff besides the simple one that

1:28:51

you want to get. I

1:28:53

decided to have a look around the various arrears of

1:28:55

the Mac to see if I had any left had

1:28:59

left any software fragments thereof by mistake.

1:29:02

Here's what I found under login items. I tried

1:29:04

in vain to find out how to delete the

1:29:06

Tatiana. Oh that's a good name. Item

1:29:09

from the list but could not figure it out. Let's look. Here's

1:29:11

the login items. Open

1:29:14

a login. These items. Oh

1:29:16

my. Allowing the

1:29:19

NI hardware agent and I host. And

1:29:21

then here's oh this is the one Tatiana

1:29:24

Livenskaya. Hello. My

1:29:28

name is Tatiana Livenskaya and

1:29:30

I would like to live inside ya. So

1:29:33

what are you going to do about

1:29:35

that Tatiana? So let me see. Let

1:29:37

me go back to his he gave us another picture too didn't

1:29:40

he? Let

1:29:42

me go back to his email and see. While

1:29:44

writing this item I looked at the list about a

1:29:46

week later and the Tatiana item is gone. I

1:29:49

tried in vain to find out how to delete it. I

1:29:51

asked a friend of mine who was a Mac developer if he knew how

1:29:53

to delete it. He also told me

1:29:55

he has a similar item in his list. A person's

1:29:57

name. Yeah. disappeared

1:30:00

we can talk about it. What is it?

1:30:02

So Apple made a change to

1:30:05

the way it's a security change

1:30:08

to Mac OS and

1:30:10

in making the change there were some more

1:30:12

requirements put in place for developers

1:30:15

to sort

1:30:17

of have blessed software

1:30:19

on the platform and depending

1:30:22

on how the person's Apple

1:30:25

account their developer account was set up or

1:30:27

if they didn't have a developer account if

1:30:29

they worked with Apple to get the proper

1:30:31

Blessing that exists outside. It's called a credential

1:30:34

if they used their name then

1:30:37

the developers name would show up in

1:30:39

the Login items page

1:30:41

and there were complaints because it does make

1:30:43

people feel a little special in because you

1:30:46

thought the other way Yeah, you see this

1:30:48

name and so for me I

1:30:50

don't have it on this computer, but I use a

1:30:53

tool on my Mac studio that

1:30:57

It lets me set when time machine runs instead

1:30:59

of having it And

1:31:01

this tool is from a developer and so their

1:31:04

name was just a Ted

1:31:09

Ted lasso, thank you And so Ted lasso

1:31:11

shows up in mind and if you didn't

1:31:13

know what that was that'd be a problem

1:31:15

now the reason why it Disappeared is because

1:31:17

you did properly or it sounds like as

1:31:19

much as you could properly

1:31:21

uninstall the tool and so when

1:31:23

you restarted your computer and Mac

1:31:25

OS went to look in the

1:31:28

system library Startup items

1:31:30

folder it could no

1:31:32

longer find that launch daemon or that launch

1:31:34

agent or launch daemon Or

1:31:37

launch agent and so it removed that from

1:31:39

the list. That's why you didn't see it there anymore

1:31:41

I do want to

1:31:43

give you another little tip. There

1:31:45

is a tool called Ballina

1:31:48

B-a-l-e-n-a etcher and

1:31:51

Love that that's the one I use

1:31:53

the abuna etcher is a fantastic tool

1:31:55

that that's free is tried and trusted

1:31:57

by all of us open-source that lets

1:32:00

you create those you were trying what was it on an

1:32:02

SD card that they were trying to do or flat drive

1:32:04

I can't remember what it may be for all we know

1:32:06

what he was trying to download but don't go to those

1:32:08

download sites to get these tools

1:32:11

correct go to the manufacturers or

1:32:13

creators site this case it's

1:32:16

etcher dot Belina dot IO

1:32:18

etc ATR like etching you

1:32:20

know a stone Belina

1:32:22

is like the I don't

1:32:25

know balena.io and you

1:32:27

can download it for free from there etcher

1:32:29

Belina very nice tool and if you get

1:32:31

it from there you won't get

1:32:33

the additional Tatiana live in sky I live

1:32:36

inside your stuff exactly because you don't want

1:32:38

that and honestly there shouldn't have necessarily been

1:32:40

a launch agent for a tool that is

1:32:42

making bootable drives in the first place that's

1:32:44

not I think Belina etcher is portable in

1:32:47

the sense that you could put it on

1:32:49

a USB key and run it from the

1:32:51

USB key it doesn't do anything

1:32:53

to your system which is exactly I mean this

1:32:55

is simple enough windows users

1:32:57

should use Rufus does the same thing also

1:32:59

portable also free oh

1:33:04

great question yeah and glad we could help

1:33:06

yeah and someday we'll find out

1:33:08

who Tovins Tatiana live inside you is and

1:33:11

make sure it doesn't ever happen

1:33:13

again to anybody it's interesting that

1:33:15

disappeared I just think that's

1:33:17

because they removed it properly so when they

1:33:20

restarted ah restart and it was gone yeah

1:33:22

restart maybe we do it yeah that's that's

1:33:24

that's all right

1:33:27

what do we want to do now how about a boy

1:33:30

I see a guy in the zoom was

1:33:32

really a good-looking fella is

1:33:35

it you oh it's you never mind is it is it new angel

1:33:37

Garrett oh yes we can

1:33:42

do that too yeah should I do because we haven't done a

1:33:44

zoom yet we haven't yeah I

1:33:47

got it I just pushed the button it's

1:33:50

pretty easy we do see some we

1:33:52

do see some walking folks who are

1:33:55

Regulars and we're We're trying to get you.

1:33:57

we want some fresh blood. So if. Irregular

1:34:00

and you're wondering what's going on That

1:34:02

got Jamie on my accent because you

1:34:04

such she was Melissa from the same

1:34:06

he does the hall or idea to

1:34:08

can't trust it. what's in it was

1:34:10

over same. I I'm

1:34:12

gear it's from Erie Pennsylvania Giant Garrett's

1:34:15

I told you before during I have

1:34:17

a funeral plot in Erie. The.

1:34:19

Family or we grew out of. My

1:34:22

family comes from Erie distantly. And.

1:34:24

There's a apparently have a family plot

1:34:26

there so I might be visiting you.

1:34:29

Not. To Socially New Times? Yes yes

1:34:31

Lawrence was up during the ah

1:34:34

well on Well first of all

1:34:36

I I was the first call

1:34:38

for help color I believe on

1:34:40

the new screensavers. I mean there's

1:34:42

all sounds good to see you

1:34:44

get. I'm so sad about it

1:34:46

and be so I saw if

1:34:48

we brought the screensavers back it

1:34:50

would be a hits. Ah,

1:34:53

And I know, I guess people just it was

1:34:55

too much of a tv show. Instead.

1:34:57

Of a podcast A second people just

1:34:59

didn't take of mine and I was

1:35:02

very disappointed. I would yell really had

1:35:04

high hopes for that anyway. thanks for

1:35:06

calling his yeah I mean yes a

1:35:09

similarly well I'd baseball but that something

1:35:11

was from what's up I'm so today

1:35:13

I have one I think is I

1:35:15

feel like it's kind of a dumb

1:35:18

question because I am a career long

1:35:20

Id pro twisted or since two thousand

1:35:22

and eight I feel like I said

1:35:25

know the answer to this. But

1:35:27

it's something has been confusing me so

1:35:29

I'm sure I can be you'll be

1:35:31

one of her. Ah, Google has talked

1:35:33

about killing off support for cookies because

1:35:36

they want to switch to their new

1:35:38

ad platform. Fired see. Talk about a

1:35:40

save with season as phrases which I'm

1:35:42

outraged Ran it sounds wonderful and said

1:35:44

it for that year, but I don't

1:35:46

trust them. Cookies. Is

1:35:49

that ah? But does removing cookies from

1:35:51

the Chrome browser mean removing all know

1:35:53

keys like how to went on and

1:35:55

website no third party kept. his

1:35:57

his third party so

1:36:00

So actually this is a good opportunity Garrett to

1:36:02

kind of explain this because we throw these words

1:36:04

around cookies were originated originally

1:36:06

created by the folks at Mozilla

1:36:09

Netscape. The idea the

1:36:11

real name for it is

1:36:13

persistent client side state information.

1:36:16

I thought they should have called it Pixies. Oh,

1:36:19

P I C but if but the

1:36:21

name actually is much more descriptive persistent

1:36:24

client side that means on your

1:36:26

computer not on the server state

1:36:28

information. State information is an IT guy

1:36:30

you'll know this coders know this as well. State

1:36:32

is something a saved game is

1:36:34

your state you save the state of

1:36:38

your visit to a website in

1:36:40

between visits. That's most useful

1:36:42

you just described it for logging in

1:36:44

when you go to Facebook you don't

1:36:46

log in every time because Facebook saves

1:36:48

a cookie a persistent client side state

1:36:51

information a little bit of information on

1:36:53

your hard drive that says you are

1:36:55

Garrett and then when phase when

1:36:57

you log into Facebook Facebook checks that cookie

1:37:00

and says oh it's Garrett he's back let

1:37:03

him in. That's a what

1:37:05

we call a first party cookie that is Facebook

1:37:07

can read cookies it sets and

1:37:10

there's a very clear rule in

1:37:12

cookies which to this day is

1:37:14

still well enforced that a

1:37:17

site can only read the cookies that

1:37:19

it sets. Facebook can't

1:37:21

read Twitter's cookies nor can Twitter

1:37:23

read Facebook's cookies that's good for

1:37:25

privacy but it didn't take long

1:37:28

for ad agencies and

1:37:30

various myth nefarious actors

1:37:33

on the on the web to

1:37:35

figure out a way around that

1:37:37

first party cookie restriction and I

1:37:39

think Facebook actually was the first

1:37:41

to do it remember the like

1:37:43

button on Facebook thing with a

1:37:45

like button it's on a

1:37:48

web page let's say it's on your Starbucks web

1:37:50

page but it's a little

1:37:52

window into Facebook land and that like

1:37:54

button can set a Facebook cookie even

1:37:56

when you're on a Starbucks page and

1:37:59

can read that Facebook cookie. Now

1:38:01

imagine you put a like button from

1:38:03

Facebook on a Starbucks page and on

1:38:06

a Pete's coffee page. Well,

1:38:08

in effect, Facebook can see

1:38:11

you visited both because it

1:38:13

has a little Facebook window, that like

1:38:15

button on both pages. And

1:38:17

that's what we call a third party cookie.

1:38:19

It isn't really. It's truthfully,

1:38:21

it's still a first party cookie in the

1:38:24

sense that it's Facebook,

1:38:27

but it looks like a third party cookie from

1:38:29

your point of view because you think you're visiting

1:38:31

Starbucks or Pete's coffee. You're not visiting Facebook. And

1:38:33

by the way, you don't have to click that

1:38:35

like button to have that

1:38:37

cookie. That just by

1:38:39

being there gives

1:38:41

Facebook access to the

1:38:43

cookies in that visit. So that's

1:38:46

a really nefarious trick that

1:38:48

advertisers use and is one

1:38:50

of the reasons you see the proliferation of

1:38:52

these kinds of little likes and things

1:38:56

on all over the web. And they

1:38:58

can even do it without showing you

1:39:00

anything. Our

1:39:03

advertisers call them a tracking pixel.

1:39:06

And we don't do it because we don't like it, but

1:39:08

there are tracking pixels. And as an IT

1:39:11

guy, you probably know how to look at the developer

1:39:13

page on any site and

1:39:15

you can see plenty of tracking pixels there from

1:39:18

third party sites. Google uses it for

1:39:20

analytics, for instance. Whenever you go to a site,

1:39:22

our site, for instance, we use Google

1:39:25

Analytics. There's a hidden little

1:39:27

thing there that when you load that

1:39:29

site, it sends information to Google, which

1:39:31

processes it and gives us analytics

1:39:34

about who visited the site and stuff. Well,

1:39:36

Google's getting that information too. That's a third

1:39:38

party cookie. So Google realized after a while,

1:39:40

even though they participate in this ecosystem, some

1:39:43

might say foster this ecosystem, they could see

1:39:45

that people like you Garrett, we're getting mad

1:39:47

as hell and we're going to take it

1:39:50

anymore. And the rise of

1:39:52

third party ad blockers, like

1:39:54

our recommended ad blocker, you block origin really

1:39:56

has Contributed to this. Corey Doctorow

1:39:58

Calls Ad blockers. The largest consumer boycott

1:40:01

in history. So many people. almost fifty

1:40:03

percent. Now people who use the internet

1:40:05

use ad blockers have some kind. So

1:40:08

many people use ad blockers that breaks

1:40:10

this whole system. You're at blocker concerts.

1:40:12

Yes, no, no third party cookies. So

1:40:14

eventually browsers put in a switch for

1:40:17

third party cookies. but Google sites you

1:40:19

know we could look really good of

1:40:21

who just ban i'm entirely snouts only

1:40:24

from Chrome. And Chrome derivatives

1:40:26

if they decide to pick it

1:40:28

up. unknown whether Edge for instance

1:40:30

from Microsoft ah, Brave probably won't

1:40:32

pick it up. It's of various

1:40:34

chromium you know snowed the web

1:40:37

browsers. It are based on Google

1:40:39

Chrome. May. Or may not

1:40:41

turn this feature on. Eyes he

1:40:43

got a lower than others. Yeah,

1:40:46

I'm sorry. Yeah, there was another

1:40:48

concern though. we just so many