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Ebola and the Malaria 5. Well

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hey hey hey how are you today? It's time

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for Ask the Tech Guys. We've made

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a slight change in the lineup. Just

1:00

today only. Micah Sargent has

1:02

the day off but look who kindly agreed

1:04

to come in. Alex Lindsay. And

1:06

I don't think I've been here before. I don't think I've done. I've been

1:08

here before. I've never. I've not done this show before. Well

1:11

this show's only like it's like not very

1:13

old. Like a year and a half old.

1:15

So. You haven't had much chance. I'm thrilled

1:17

to have you. Alex as

1:20

you know is on Mac Break Weekly. He

1:22

also is a genius in

1:24

live streaming and does

1:26

that for many big companies and

1:28

governments. He

1:31

also hosts daily a

1:33

Q&A show called Office

1:35

Hours. It's a big Zoom call.

1:37

You can find out more about it at officehours.global. Has

1:40

his own interview show and produces an interview show for

1:42

Michael Krasny. But he's not that busy so he came

1:44

in today which is very nice. That's why I do

1:46

it in the spare time. But

1:49

he does know how to answer questions live.

1:52

We verified that because he

1:54

does that every morning. That's the entire format

1:56

of the show. It's really great. It's

1:59

a really short show of no. don't want to ask any questions. Yeah,

2:01

I always thought it'd be kind of a bad

2:04

show if I didn't get questions because it's just

2:06

me talking. However, I do like

2:08

to begin the show with a little survey

2:11

of the hot news of

2:13

the week. Where

2:16

should we begin? Did you

2:19

see that? So first of all, this week,

2:21

it's been a bad week for Ticketmaster. The

2:25

Justice Department decided to go

2:27

after Ticketmaster because they're monopoly.

2:29

Because they are a monopoly. Yeah, Live Nation

2:31

and Ticketmaster are the same company. So they own

2:33

the venues, they sell the tickets and they

2:35

tell artists. Well, they represent some of the artists.

2:38

And they represent the artists. It's really complicated. Yeah,

2:40

McDonald works for them. And

2:44

they got hacked. Well, that's the second story. Don't

2:46

rush me. But don't rush me. I said it was

2:48

a bad week. So

2:50

the P-Net Galaga, they got hacked. They did.

2:53

In fact, I immediately went to Ticketmaster and

2:55

changed my password because I

2:57

wouldn't want anyone else to be gouged

3:00

by them. That's my account. Yeah,

3:03

and it shows you why you don't want

3:05

Ticketmaster to have all that information and do

3:08

all of the things. I mean, the biggest

3:10

problem is that I think that what the

3:12

Justice Department is going to do is separate

3:14

out those pieces. They should. And it's too

3:16

incestuous between them because you can't

3:18

have the artists, the ticket sales,

3:20

the event management, and most importantly,

3:22

the resale. So Ticketmaster is

3:25

making money on the resale. So it

3:27

gives them no incentive to protect ticket

3:29

sales. And that hurts the artists a

3:31

lot because, you know, the scalpers, they

3:34

come in when your tickets first go on sale,

3:36

they use software and they buy up all the

3:38

tickets. And then they're retelling them through a Ticketmaster

3:40

solution as well. And so it really, and scalping

3:43

evil really hurts the, it hurts both

3:45

the audience, the fans and the

3:47

artists. The artists get paid a lot less. The fans

3:50

pay a lot more. And the folks in the middle

3:52

are, you know, and it's not like

3:54

someone who thought they would go and then decided

3:57

not to. We're talking about people who buy, you

3:59

know, A lot of tickets

4:01

and there are some like Noah Khan is a

4:03

good example There are there are people who don't

4:05

won't go through that and they sell their tickets

4:08

So that you can only sell them back to the

4:10

organization and then they're gonna resell them at the same

4:12

price again Like they won't but then you can't play

4:14

the big venues because live nation owns all the big

4:16

he hasn't played the big venues He sells out all

4:19

the venues he has As they're small

4:21

but he's for instance Taylor Swift people observed you

4:23

could go to Italy or Brazil

4:25

Pretty much anywhere else in the world

4:27

where Ticketmaster doesn't hold sway Pay

4:30

for the trip and the ticket for less

4:32

than getting a ticket in Detroit And

4:35

so this is it's bad all around, you

4:37

know This has happened before in the early

4:39

days of movies the movie

4:41

companies owns the movie theaters, right?

4:44

Very similar, right and we

4:46

may get back to that because there's a nobody wants

4:48

a movie theater Well, yeah, the movie theaters are

4:50

having trouble and you know, the the you know,

4:52

a lot of time the chains right now You

4:55

know, it's been a dry 2024 It

4:57

looks like 2025 will be dry even the things they

4:59

thought were gonna be hits aren't hit aren't the movies

5:01

worse though Am I wrong, but since kovat it feels

5:03

like the movies are not as good. I don't know

5:05

if they're not as good I think that the I

5:07

think that the real challenge is is that the talent

5:09

pool was very stretched out because We

5:11

were in record production. So we I think it

5:13

was 600 narratives and 600

5:16

scripted titles in I think

5:21

2022 which is the I think the high watermark We're

5:23

now on our way to probably next year

5:25

being at 300 so it's cut in half What that does is

5:27

that there's obviously a lot of people in the business that aren't

5:29

gonna have it that don't have jobs right now doing that but

5:32

it also has to do with the the

5:34

there was You know

5:36

this this happens in every industry you get a bubble and

5:39

you run out of You know and

5:41

and that's the and so that's been the challenge is running out

5:43

of talent And so I do

5:45

think it wasn't written as well some of the stuff the some

5:47

of the effects I mean you look at like Aquaman to the

5:50

first five minutes. You're like, I can't watch this Like I just

5:52

you know, like you say that my wife said that my wife

5:54

was like, oh she goes I couldn't watch more than five minutes

5:56

of it She goes and I just all I could think about

5:58

is what you would say So

6:00

it's the one you have a little bit of a

6:02

reputation. But

6:04

it's just stretching, it's what

6:07

we call spreading too little jam over too much

6:09

bread. There's

6:11

a solution. Good news. OpenAI's

6:14

Sora creates movies. In

6:17

fact, the world famous Tribeca Film

6:19

Festival has announced they're going

6:22

to have an AI generated short

6:24

film segment at the

6:26

Tribeca Film Festival for films

6:28

generated by Sora and other AI. And

6:30

I think it'll be interesting

6:33

to see how that goes. I

6:36

mean, we have to remember that when we first started shooting

6:38

movies, they would have watched them and gone, well, that's not

6:40

nearly as good as the play. You know,

6:43

like, like, that's not, you know, and then eventually

6:45

slowly got better. But I think that it's

6:47

going to take longer than people like, it's not

6:49

going to take forever. But it's

6:51

also going to take a lot longer than people in

6:53

Hollywood seem to worry about. It's hard to get humans

6:55

to write good movies, let alone have a machine write

6:57

good movies. We talked about that Balloonhead movie. I

7:00

don't know if you remember that. That was an

7:02

AI generated movie, except it kind of wasn't. They

7:04

had to cobble it together.

7:07

Almost all of these are like we had to cobble together.

7:09

And we had to shoot a guy with a, there's

7:12

a mix of human. Now, Sora,

7:14

unlike the other AI video generators, which

7:16

normally are short little clips, can do

7:18

60 seconds at a time. So

7:20

that's a really long clip. I mean, when I, I worked

7:23

on a, I worked on a film for Star Wars that

7:25

was, and they, I worked on it for

7:27

nine weeks. And someone said, how are you working

7:29

on the show? The one shot for nine weeks. And I was like,

7:31

oh, it's 240 frames, which is about 10 seconds. They're

7:34

like, 240 frames. Like that is how do

7:36

you, you know, could they have done

7:38

Princess Amidala's ship in AI these

7:40

days? That's what you did, right? It

7:42

would have been hard. It would have been hard to do that.

7:44

Really? Yeah. I

7:46

mean, there's a lot of things that we did by hand that we changed every

7:49

single time that, that would

7:51

have been difficult to reproduce. I mean, there's

7:53

definitely things that we did do with algorithmically.

7:55

It was an AI back then was we

7:58

had, so when the. when Anakin's

8:02

Naboo fighter flies into the doughnut chip. We

8:05

call it the doughnut chip. I don't know what it's called. Whatever they were,

8:07

the doughnut chip. The big doughnut. The doughnut, yeah.

8:09

Flying around the doughnut chip and you

8:12

see all these droids running

8:14

across the floor. Well,

8:16

we didn't animate those. That was a particle system. So

8:18

basically the particle system goes up and I actually did

8:21

some of those droids. And so we had

8:23

these little droids and we had motion, you know, we had

8:25

motions for them that were motion captured and

8:27

they all had these little motions and they could switch between them. But

8:29

we would set up rules like they

8:32

cast rays from the front of them. And if

8:34

they see something that

8:36

is an enemy, they would

8:38

pick up their gun and fire at it. And if they didn't, they would

8:40

just keep on it. But it was all automated. And

8:42

then it was like, don't run into each other. Don't run through

8:44

each other. Run away from bad things. Run towards, you know, like,

8:47

so you give it a bunch of rules. And then you said? Oh yeah, that

8:49

was 25 years ago. Wow. And

8:51

that's what, you know, the, and, you know, massive was

8:53

what they used for Lord of

8:56

the Rings. Same thing, like, so like huge, all those

8:58

big armies of Lord of the Rings. They

9:00

were all the orcs. That's all math. They were

9:02

autonomous. They were autonomous orcs. Semi-autonomous orcs. They were

9:05

given. Semi-autonomous orcs. That's your worst nightmare, isn't it?

9:07

Yeah. Well, and the thing is. By the way,

9:09

where did you, did you get this on Tatooine? This mug? What

9:11

is this mug? It looks like a Star Wars mug.

9:14

It is a Star Wars mug. It came from, I

9:16

have no idea what it's gonna. The Black Spire.

9:19

Yeah. It came from the

9:21

Universal. Universal's the, Yeah. The

9:23

Disney. It's very nice. It's very

9:25

nice. They're lovely mugs. Disney, right?

9:27

They own Star Wars. Universal. Wishes.

9:29

No, I said Universal instinctively. Wishes, they own.

9:32

It's a nice mug. I have

9:34

no idea what it says. Isn't that nice? I used to give

9:36

people tours of the ranch because I used to work at the

9:38

ranch. And they would ask me all these trivia

9:40

questions. I'm like, hey, I just work on the movies.

9:42

I have no, they're like, who was Queen Hamadalla's brother

9:44

and what? You know, and I was like, I don't

9:47

know. What do you think? I'm a

9:49

Star Wars nerd. We will be talking in

9:51

a little bit to Scott Wilkinson, our home C.A.S.R.

9:53

geek. He'll be up at about half an hour. Also,

9:56

the birthday boy, Johnny Jet, will be here in an

9:58

hour and a half to talk about travel. So

10:00

we got home theater and travel but the most important

10:02

part of this show is your questions your calls your

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suggestions 888-724 2

10:09

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10:15

clever aren't we? I

10:17

can never remember that so probably not that

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clever you can also use

10:21

zoom on your device just to point

10:23

it to your web browser to call

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10:31

Stargate over here Budgie

10:35

de boob we should probably jump to the call

10:38

should we jump into the call? Yeah, nice lineup.

10:40

Let's let's let's get going here and then I

10:43

have to pick up this one caller He called in early

10:45

and I told him I would pick up on him. You

10:47

thought you thought it'd be good idea No, yeah Jonathan

10:52

but it could be wrong to hello

10:55

caller. What's your first name and what

10:57

city are you calling from? Yes,

11:01

hi, this is Jonathan I have called before

11:03

love you show Leo, thank you and It's

11:06

not there today, but do you know Alex? And

11:09

hi, Alex. Yeah, I'm just from

11:11

I think other other podcast. Yep.

11:13

Yep Actually, so I

11:15

have my son here Jordan who has actually he

11:17

has a question for us I'm gonna put him

11:19

on the top. Okay, good. You do Leo and

11:22

Alex How

11:24

old are you Jordan I Am

11:27

12, okay, and you're a

11:29

budding geek Pretty

11:33

much. Yeah. Good. I like it. What

11:35

can we do for you? So

11:38

my question I'm starting a podcast.

11:40

Oh, thank you guys. You're a budding What's

11:44

it gonna be about It's

11:46

gonna be about like sneakers So

11:49

I'm gonna talk about like weekly sneakers and stuff that

11:51

are coming out and a bunch of news But

11:54

I'm wondering how should I get it

11:56

up and running? Like how what do I need to

11:58

do before I launch my? first episode. Well

12:00

you called it the right time Jordan

12:03

because this guy here in

12:05

the earliest days of podcasting actually ran

12:07

seminars gear media tech right? Yep. That

12:09

were to get to train people and

12:11

doing their first podcast. Now I have

12:13

to say that was 15 years

12:16

ago things have changed a little bit. Yeah I

12:18

think so I think that one

12:20

thing to think about is whether you want your podcast to

12:22

be visual or audio.

12:26

That's changed a lot thanks to you. I'm still kind

12:28

of deciding that. Yeah sorry say that again. He says

12:30

he's still kind of deciding. Well kind of deciding if

12:32

I want it. I kind of feel like

12:34

it feels like you want to think about

12:37

video a lot because you're talking

12:39

about shoes. But you won't always

12:41

have those. You won't have

12:43

them so you could show

12:45

pictures. Not all of them. But you can

12:47

show pictures. Yeah so I think that it's

12:49

hard to imagine the shoes. I think you

12:51

want an audio component of that. The first

12:53

thing I would say is that your YouTube

12:55

is probably going to be you

12:58

know your friend as far as doing

13:00

you know I would think about there are a

13:02

couple different things to think about when you do YouTube content.

13:05

The VOD is the one the shows that you're talking

13:07

about building shorter shows tend

13:09

to do better than longer shows for

13:12

that VOD content. What's VOD? VOD is like

13:14

video on demand so that you're gonna build

13:17

when you build a video that you see that gets uploaded.

13:19

I'm gonna bet Jordan because he's 12 never

13:21

even considered anything but YouTube. The

13:24

nice thing about YouTube Jordan is

13:26

it hosts everything. I do

13:28

watch YouTube. I already got

13:30

an RSS feed. Oh aren't

13:33

you fancy? I

13:35

think the new generation especially sneaker buyers they're not

13:37

gonna care about RSS. You just put it on

13:39

YouTube. I think you could do both. I think

13:41

this is where YouTube generated. It will do it

13:43

generate an RSS. They have a podcasting function and

13:45

I think for the kind of show if you

13:48

were just doing a round the round table discussion

13:50

and so on so forth I think that you

13:52

still there's are you know there's a lot of

13:54

different ways to go but I think that if

13:56

you're talking about something you know that there's basically

13:58

three formats on YouTube three major There's

14:00

a lot of formats, but there's three major things

14:02

to think about. One is these VODs. And so

14:05

you might do a six-minute or seven-minute review of

14:07

a shoe. Then there is

14:09

shorts, which are going to be small segments out

14:11

of that or individual segments that you build. And

14:14

then there's potentially some live streams. The

14:17

VODs tend to be the most successful at

14:19

building your audience. That's what's going

14:21

to get there. The shorts are going to tend

14:23

to be the most successful at building awareness of

14:25

your channel. You can do both with one... You

14:27

totally can. You can do one video and do

14:30

a highlight. And

14:32

then if you do live streams, those are really

14:34

good at building a connection with that audience. So

14:36

that's a really interesting point. People

14:38

sometimes say, why do you... Many

14:40

times say, why do you do video on Twitter?

14:42

Why are you doing video, Leo? And

14:44

then they also say, why do you do it live? Both

14:47

of which add in complexity and cost.

14:50

It's a lot bigger thing to have a video

14:52

show than it is just an audio show. With

14:54

audio show, Jordan, you already have everything you need.

14:57

You just talk to your laptop or

15:00

your phone maybe even more likely. But

15:02

now video, you're going to add, maybe take

15:05

pictures. And then live is even more

15:07

complicated, except thanks to YouTube, it's

15:09

gotten much, much easier. Well, and

15:11

streaming to YouTube is really easy and the tools

15:13

have gotten super easy. I mean, you can... And

15:15

we do live... The reason I answer when people

15:17

say, why do you do live video? Most

15:20

people, 95% to 95% of our audience

15:22

never doesn't watch. They listen. They

15:26

download. Every once in a while they watch. And

15:28

every once in a while they watch live. And

15:30

when you do that, there's a connection that doesn't

15:32

exist just with audio. And they even

15:34

remember. They remember what Jordan looks like. And with sneakers, they

15:36

might even want to see the sneakers. And

15:39

with live, we couldn't be doing what we're doing

15:41

right now, Jordan, if we didn't do it live.

15:43

So there are advantages. And that's the big thing. The reason

15:45

that I go live every morning is because we want to

15:48

interact with people's questions. And it's not

15:50

questions that they wrote yesterday. It's questions that they wrote

15:52

while we're talking. And

15:54

so that's the thing that we try to...

15:57

If you're doing live, you have to think about doing... of

16:00

interaction, whether it's reading the chat, you know,

16:03

managing the questions in some way so

16:05

that you can really, that the audience has a reason

16:07

to. There's only three reasons to go live and that's

16:09

breaking news, sports, and interactivity. So you got to do

16:11

one of those three to make it really worth knowing.

16:14

Now, Jordan, you shouldn't listen to us because

16:16

you're just getting started. Okay. You

16:19

got guys who've been doing this for 20 years and

16:21

I don't want you to bite off more

16:24

than you can chew. These are

16:26

all things to keep in mind. Okay. So

16:28

I think it's going to be, it's way too tempting

16:30

to say, well, I want to do this, this, this,

16:32

this, this, this, and make it so big that you

16:34

never do this. And first thing, right? And the most

16:37

important thing is exactly what Leo said is, which is

16:39

to do something. You know, I think that Marques Brownlee

16:41

said it best when he said the first hundred shows

16:43

are going to get watched by like four people each.

16:45

Yes. You know, it's a good time to

16:47

start. And so at 12, it's an incredible time to get

16:50

started because what'll happen is you'll start to, you

16:52

get away with a lot and people will give you a lot

16:54

of leeway. If you're 22 years old or

16:56

28 years old and you're doing it,

16:58

people expect a certain, you know, that

17:00

you've got it all figured out at 12. They're going

17:02

to let you play a little bit in a way that you're not

17:04

going to get to play later. So right

17:07

now, today, this week, tomorrow is the best time for

17:09

you to get started. And the play is how you

17:11

learn. The other thing I would say is don't really

17:15

wait until you start doing interactivity with

17:17

your audience. That's a whole very

17:20

challenging and difficult

17:22

and complicated thing to do that

17:24

you probably don't want to get into at your

17:26

age. Wait until you're a little older

17:28

to do that. But at some point, you

17:31

know, once you get confident in every other

17:33

part of it, that is a nice extra

17:35

step that I think makes a

17:37

big difference. Very few podcasters do it. Even

17:39

Marques Brownlee doesn't do what we do. Right.

17:42

You know, I mean, this is a very,

17:44

but it's hard to do. And it's

17:47

something that I think you should build up to. So

17:49

start right away. And the main thing

17:51

is also to think about as you're planning and you're

17:53

getting off the ground, try to think of what the

17:55

first 20 episodes would look like. The first three is

17:57

easy to think of. When

18:00

you get to 20, it forces you to

18:02

start thinking in format. So for instance, a lot

18:04

of times you might say, oh well, I'm going

18:06

to focus on sneakers on the first week

18:08

of the month, boots on the second week of

18:10

the month, slippers on. And as

18:12

you start to build whatever that format is, or

18:15

it could be a certain kind of sneaker if

18:17

it's all sneakers, it could be whatever it is.

18:19

But what you want to think about is how

18:21

do you start to build some infrastructure so that

18:24

you can... Because what will happen... What

18:26

happens to most people who start podcasts or any kind

18:28

of content is they go, I got an idea and

18:30

they do the first three or four and then it's like months

18:33

before they think about what to do next because they run out

18:35

of steam really fast. So by forcing yourself

18:37

to sit down on a Saturday afternoon and think of

18:39

20 things, 20 turns out to

18:41

be about the number that once you get to that number, you kind

18:43

of have a format of, oh, this

18:45

is how I will do this as opposed to... Because

18:47

like for instance, for office

18:50

hours, which we do, we have 260 sessions or second

18:54

hours a year, Leo has even

18:56

more and you have to have some system to do

18:58

that. You don't need it

19:01

by yourself. You don't need a big system, but

19:03

what you do need is to think out like

19:05

what's the format of how you're going to get

19:07

those there. But the most important thing is to

19:09

start recording. Just start recording, start

19:11

throwing stuff up. You can always take it down.

19:13

Like I throw up lots of shorts for

19:16

both myself and client. If they don't do well, we take them down. Like

19:19

we just go, ah, we'll take them up. So

19:21

you don't have to leave things up there forever. And

19:25

then was there any like software or mics

19:27

that you recommend or headphones that you recommend

19:29

that I use? If

19:33

you want to do video, then you might want

19:35

to think about in-ear. So

19:37

for video, you don't necessarily want something

19:40

over your ears. And

19:42

if you do that, there are... Linsole

19:45

makes these SC10s that are about 50 bucks

19:47

and they make other ones that are $25. They're

19:50

not very expensive and they'll go right into your

19:52

ears. Their Linsole, I think they're at SC10s or

19:54

something like that. They're really like nice and low

19:56

profile but you can still hear stuff in them.

20:00

So that might be one in-ear, there's lots of

20:02

over-the-ear, lots of different ones. I

20:05

don't know exactly which ones that are

20:08

there. As

20:11

far as microphones, there's lots

20:13

of, yeah, those, yeah, and there's,

20:16

they come in all kinds, those linsels come in

20:18

different colors and different price ranges. I

20:22

wouldn't get anything more than the $50 ones, they're actually

20:24

less comfortable. And again, without the

20:27

mic, you don't need the mic in them. The

20:32

cameras, I'm sorry, the microphone, I mean, obviously

20:34

we really like these Heil PR40s, but there's

20:36

a lot of things that are going to

20:38

be less expensive. You sent out

20:40

the Shure SM7B. No, no, we don't send the 7Bs,

20:42

we send the MV7 pluses now. The

20:46

MV7 plus. And the reason those work

20:48

with even an iPad and iPhone, because

20:50

they have a, what you're probably looking

20:52

at when you get started is, what

20:54

we like about the MV7s is

20:57

that they have both XLR out as

20:59

well as a USB out. So you can plug it

21:01

straight into your computer and it works. If

21:03

you want to plug it into a mixer, it works

21:05

as well. They call it a podcast microphone actually. Yeah,

21:07

it is. And it's expensive. Is there about 250 bucks?

21:11

Oh, dad's going, wait a minute, hold on,

21:13

slow down there. And there are, there are many

21:15

mics. A road makes them smaller. Dad's over

21:17

here in the corner laughing. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

21:19

But there are, there are a lot of mics

21:21

that are in the $50 range

21:23

that are going to be great, you know, that

21:25

are great to start with. And these are, and

21:28

you want to think about whether you want them to

21:30

be like a little headset. So

21:32

for instance, if you, if you

21:34

want a headset, I think that

21:37

Pyle makes some very inexpensive ones.

21:40

Oh, the only one that has a little thing. Yeah. And

21:42

the nice thing about that is if you're using your hands and

21:45

you're trying to show something, it's nice to have a headset. Plus

21:47

you can move your head around. You can move your head around

21:49

and it's right there. So and those are not very expensive. You'll

21:51

need some kind of interface for those for your computer. The

21:54

Otechnica makes probably one of the

21:56

better eighth inch jack to USBs.

21:59

I think there are 30. or $40. I mean

22:01

I think that you can definitely get the headphones,

22:05

a microphone and an interface for under $100.

22:07

You know you shouldn't spend a whole lot

22:10

at the beginning. And that's what I would

22:12

do to get started. Because really what the

22:14

first 100 episodes as Alex

22:16

said are really about you learning

22:18

your craft and learning

22:21

how to do it. And that's the time to do it when

22:23

you're starting out and you don't have a big audience. Because

22:25

people as soon as you start getting a big audience,

22:27

you're going to expect more. And now one

22:29

of our, I think it was Deborah

22:32

in our Discord said, did Alex get

22:34

to the three kinds of video on the

22:37

YouTube? We mentioned the shorts, I mentioned

22:39

the long form. And then live. And

22:41

you want to

22:44

be thinking about how you develop all three of those over

22:47

time. But I would start with just

22:49

doing the short, the

22:51

VODs, the 88 minute success.

22:53

And those don't have video necessarily. They

22:55

can just be a picture of a

22:57

sneaker and you talking, right? You could

23:00

do that. Yeah. Yeah. More and more

23:02

of the YouTube podcasts are just kind

23:04

of stills with audio

23:06

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that's easy. This is software you developed. It

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24:23

is always trying to get us to use this. Awesome.

24:26

We probably should. It does

24:28

make it easy. So, recording,

24:30

should I just do it through my computer

24:32

or something? Yeah. How

24:35

should I record them? Probably Audacity, right? That's

24:37

free. If you're trying to do video,

24:39

then you have a little bit. OBS

24:42

is probably, are you on a PC or a Mac? PC.

24:46

Yeah, OBS is going to work really great for

24:49

you to do the, you can do recordings on

24:51

OBS. Free, data like that. Free, you just want

24:53

to record it to the drive. It's what everybody

24:55

uses. Windows, Mac and Linux. I've

24:59

used it. If you get good at it, that

25:01

would let you go live as well. I've

25:04

done my video game play-alongs on

25:06

Twitch. I've done it with OBS.

25:08

As many do. There's

25:11

other stuff, but boy, this is about as easy

25:13

as you can get. Okay.

25:16

Awesome. Thank you guys so much. So,

25:18

OBS, get a headset mic, get

25:20

in-ear monitors from Linsole, get

25:23

a plan, practice, and then in

25:27

about 10 years, we're going to

25:29

be trying to compete against you. And the

25:31

most important thing is, you know, the way we've been learning

25:33

for our entire time, you can do a lot of things.

25:36

The way we've learned for a million years is that we

25:38

watch, we ask questions, we do, we ask questions, we repeat.

25:40

And that's what you want to just be, just do as

25:42

many. You want to

25:44

make, you know, Malcolm Gladwell said it was

25:46

10,000 hours. He based that

25:48

on something that is not, in Zen Buddhism,

25:51

it's not 10,000 hours. It's 10,000

25:53

mistakes. as

26:00

fast as you can. And at 12 years old

26:02

you get a lot of room to make a lot of

26:04

mistakes so you're at a really exciting time. This is really

26:06

the right time for you to get started. And it's gonna

26:08

be hard but hard is good. When you do stuff you

26:10

know when you play the fiddle for the first time you

26:12

try to hit a baseball for the first time you fail,

26:14

fail, fail. It's very hard but

26:17

what did somebody once said you know if you fail

26:19

10 times don't give up because you might succeed on

26:21

the 11th. Keep going. Just keep

26:23

making new mistakes. You're gonna do it. Keep making

26:25

those mistakes and I wish you all the best

26:27

Jordan that's great. And thank your dad

26:29

for supporting you. That's really great. I'm really glad

26:31

he did that. Glad

26:34

to do it. Thanks guys.

26:36

Take care. Isn't that great?

26:39

Yeah. I couldn't have called it a better time man.

26:41

We got the guy. I'm jealous that he's starting with all

26:43

the tech that's out here right now at 12 years

26:46

old. Think of what it

26:48

would have been for us. I had an Apple IIe. So

26:50

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26:52

started writing software. I wrote my first software was to build

26:55

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26:57

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27:01

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27:03

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27:05

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27:07

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27:09

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27:18

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27:23

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guys. What can we do for you

30:11

today? Well, I'm

30:13

calling about an iPhone-type

30:17

question. My

30:19

wife has a new iPhone 15.

30:23

I think it's iPhone 15. Yep,

30:25

that's been awesome. She has

30:27

a lot of pictures on it, and

30:30

I don't know how to necessarily get

30:33

them off or where I should put

30:35

them. We're

30:37

leaving for a trip to go to Italy

30:39

next month. So she

30:41

wants to clear the phone out at

30:44

least and be able to

30:46

have room to take whatever pictures she

30:49

can with the phone. This is

30:51

such a universal problem that

30:53

Apple has finally just said, oh, look,

30:55

we'll just handle this for you so

30:57

you don't even have to think about

30:59

it. So you're going to go into

31:01

your iPhone's settings. You should do this

31:03

for every iPhone you have, I

31:05

think. And you're going to go to

31:07

the iCloud settings. Actually

31:10

maybe it's in the photo settings. This is where

31:12

I don't pay attention because Micah always

31:15

handles these. Let me go into the photos

31:17

settings. Yeah, there it is. In

31:19

the photos settings, you'll see

31:21

there's a switch for iCloud photos. And read

31:23

what it says. Automatically upload

31:26

and safely store your photos and videos in iCloud

31:28

so you can browse, search

31:30

and share from any of your devices.

31:32

So as you take pictures walking around

31:34

Tristèbere in Rome, the pictures

31:37

automatically get uploaded to iCloud. And

31:39

then you want to check this second box,

31:41

which is optimize phone storage.

31:44

What this does is it stores a

31:46

thumbnail, a small version of that picture

31:49

on your phone. If you want to see

31:51

it or edit it, you tap it and

31:53

it downloads it from iCloud. So

31:55

you never lose the original. iCloud keeps

31:57

the originals. But you are opti...

32:00

Customizing your phone storage and

32:02

so as you use your phone it never

32:04

fills up because it

32:07

automatically handles that and keeps keeps

32:09

your phone from filling up I I

32:12

think that's all you need to do now. Here's the

32:14

downside to that you need to

32:16

pay for iCloud storage It only comes with

32:18

what is it five gigabytes to start? So

32:21

you're gonna have to go in there and

32:23

buy some extra storage The good news is

32:25

it's it's fairly inexpensive. You see I have

32:27

two terabytes because I have the

32:29

Apple one subscription And

32:32

I use it for iCloud backup. I use it

32:34

for photos for our cloud drive for iCloud I

32:36

use it for everything so it's worth it for

32:38

me But there are different plans and you

32:40

can choose a plan you want I

32:42

would say You don't

32:44

have to subscribe to two terabytes until you need

32:46

it right now You can

32:49

look I can even go to for $30 so

32:51

much six terabytes There you

32:53

go. How much do you have Alex? I write a

32:55

letter by all the terabytes I know

32:57

I was the largest 12 year by six.

32:59

I have a family. We're all on it.

33:01

It's all I've got many computers I've got

33:03

many things. I it's just it's

33:05

relatively inexpensive and it's all tied in and Your

33:09

wife can share it with you. So you have shared

33:11

storage. Yeah, so you should do the same with your

33:13

phone. I There are

33:15

lots of other things you could do if

33:17

you're an Amazon Prime member for instance You've

33:20

put the Amazon photos app on your iPhone.

33:22

It'll upload them Google photos same thing Amazon

33:24

photos does original Google photos does not It

33:27

compresses them a little bit turns them in JPEGs and

33:29

then uploads them so you might lose a little bit

33:31

of quality But you know

33:33

it offers unlimited storage and there's you know, there

33:35

are I remember remember remember that there are hidden

33:37

folders So if there's things that are family oriented

33:39

that you want to keep, you know, I thought

33:42

it's very nice So you can kind of put

33:44

them in hidden folders there all your dudes you

33:46

put those in the hidden folders The

33:49

last thing I'd say though is that also

33:51

if you're traveling make sure that your iPhone

33:53

is locking to a lock screen as

33:56

fast as possible, so thieves

33:59

can be very good at getting your phone. They'll see

34:01

you type your code in, they

34:04

will get your phone and they will

34:06

immediately open it back up

34:08

again and then take control. So what you wanna do is you

34:11

wanna A, make sure that you're using of

34:13

course facial recognition, B, make sure that you,

34:15

I recommend a phrase. So it's not a

34:17

number. Not just six digits. It's

34:20

a small phrase that only your wife or you or

34:22

both of you would know. It's not

34:24

something that would be obvious. And a phrase, then you end

34:26

up with like 20 characters that you just type in. You

34:28

want to do it very often if you're using

34:30

biometrics to make that happen. But

34:33

when you're traveling, you wanna take that into account because

34:35

the phone is really hard to get, as we've seen

34:37

from FBI and so on and so forth, phone is

34:39

really hard to get into if it locks. So

34:42

if you can, you wanna make sure that, set it to like

34:44

15 or 30 seconds so that it's

34:46

gonna close right back up again when you're

34:48

not using it, especially because you have facial

34:50

recognition, you can immediately pick it up and

34:52

look at it. It'll just open up again

34:55

and you'll be fine. So, but when traveling,

34:57

be very conscious to your computer, your iPhone,

34:59

your iPad, any of those, any of

35:01

your electronics, have them close

35:03

and lock. Like for instance, my laptop, as soon as

35:05

I close it, it's gonna lock. I

35:07

don't have to travel a lot. And so you

35:09

wanna be thinking about those

35:11

things. So yeah, I

35:14

would say just turn on iCloud photos, make

35:16

sure you optimize. She will not run out

35:18

of room. Is

35:20

there another way to get them

35:22

just off the phone? We'll say

35:25

on her PC. So

35:27

yeah, there's two things you can do. You

35:29

can actually get them on

35:32

the PC from iCloud. You can

35:34

log into your iCloud account there and all the photos

35:36

are there. Windows, Mac, even on

35:38

Linux, because it's through the browser. Windows

35:41

also has a Apple app that

35:43

will do that. I

35:46

think this is the

35:48

simplest solution. As I said, if

35:50

you're already, are you an Amazon Prime member? No.

35:54

Okay. If you are, you get

35:56

free unlimited originals storage. So that

35:59

might be built. suspenders you put that on

36:01

your phone and have it back up to that

36:03

as well. But honestly you

36:06

know it used to be people calling and saying my

36:08

iPhone's full I need to buy a new one and

36:10

and Apple realized that and that's why Apple basically

36:13

added this capability plus a little extra money

36:15

for them. Now you know they're hurting so

36:17

they you know they need the extra money

36:19

so they get this a little extra money

36:22

in the iCloud but it is so convenient

36:24

and it's so automatic and

36:26

you can't really make a mistake it just does

36:28

it for you that I think it's probably the

36:31

best solution if you're using an iPhone. And where

36:33

are you going in Italy? We're

36:36

flying into Rome for a few days and

36:38

then we're getting on a

36:40

ship and doing a cruise down that side of

36:42

the big water and then

36:45

we come back to Italy and then

36:47

we're gonna be there for the rest

36:50

of the month. Going to London we're

36:52

going to Ireland

36:54

we're going to Scotland

36:58

we're traveling all around. Sounds like a

37:01

trip of a lifetime. Fantastic. I have

37:03

a wonderful time. I will

37:05

tell you that my only thing about

37:08

Rome is it'll sound counterintuitive but get

37:11

up if you get up right at sunrise right

37:13

20 minutes before sunrise where you're going go out

37:15

and take a and take a walk. It's empty

37:18

nobody is out there you get Rome

37:20

to yourself. To the Trevi Fountain and

37:22

there aren't a million tourists. I walked

37:24

around I walked around the Colosseum. It's

37:26

an amazing time to walk in Rome

37:28

is at daybreak as it's coming up

37:31

it looks beautiful it is because

37:33

it's chaos after that especially in the summer it

37:35

is by 10 a.m. it's chaos and usually I

37:37

finished my well I had work to do in

37:39

Italy so I finished my walk at about 9 o'clock and

37:42

by about 7 7 30 you find a

37:44

good place to get a cappuccino and

37:46

you're really you're off to the races but I would

37:48

highly recommend it in most cities I would recommend that

37:50

I've done that I do that all over the world

37:52

but in Rome especially have to early

37:55

morning walks in cities is an amazing way to

37:57

see them. Yeah

37:59

good advice. Have a

38:01

great trip. We're so jealous. We wish we

38:03

were going with you. That's great. Amazing. Take

38:05

care. Thanks. Alrighty. Bye-bye.

38:08

Yeah, Apple, for

38:10

all the heat they get about, you

38:12

know, lock into the ecosystem and the

38:15

monotony. It's a really nice lock. That's all I

38:17

got to say. It's like, it's a nice lock.

38:19

It serves drinks. It's like, it makes you a

38:21

little, it makes you... Think of it as a

38:23

warm bath. It is. It's like, it's just like,

38:26

you know, bubble bath. So, unless

38:28

you're philosophically driven

38:30

and you're so philosophically driven not

38:33

to support that, all we just

38:35

give in. Exactly.

38:37

Let go and let Apple. I think that's

38:39

really the... There's an ad there somewhere. I

38:43

hate to say it because I'm... Philosophically, I don't

38:45

like lock-in. I like it. It should be open and

38:47

all that stuff. I think it works. It works so

38:49

well. The other thing, the iPhone cameras,

38:51

and I think this is true of the Pixel 8 and

38:54

Pixel 7. They're so good now. You don't

38:56

really need to bring your camera

38:58

kit with you, with all your lenses and all

39:01

that. Here's the worst part. I have an FX30

39:03

that I have. I use my

39:05

webcam, a Sony FX30, and I went to a

39:07

Sony shoot. They have these things for creators where

39:09

you go out shooting with folks. So, I went

39:11

to it and I was like, I'm gonna bring

39:13

my Sony. And I brought it and I took

39:15

pictures. I got about halfway through it. And

39:17

I was like, this is so painful.

39:20

I'm just gonna go back to my

39:22

iPhone. Because I also, when I'm shooting,

39:24

I shoot panoramas, I shoot portraits, I

39:26

shoot... So, I'm shifting gears so fast

39:28

on my phone that I found that

39:31

using an SLR was actually

39:33

just really felt really clunky at

39:35

that point. Even if you bring a big professional system

39:37

with you, and I often bring a good camera with

39:40

me, you're gonna want your iPhone. You're

39:42

gonna use it far more often. One of

39:44

my big problems is GPS. A

39:46

lot of these phones don't have GPS built into them. I

39:48

love the camera. A lot of times, I take

39:51

pictures of things to remember where

39:55

they were. I don't even know what it is. I'm like, oh, I

39:57

just want to remember how to get here. Just

40:00

a layout I have a habit of and

40:02

it's kind of embarrassing but with the iPhone

40:05

taking a picture of the guide signs and

40:07

the Before I take

40:09

any other picture show I'm at the Coliseum and they have

40:11

a little sign little map take a picture of that because

40:14

That gives you a lot of information about the

40:16

pictures to come and yeah, it's a cheesy picture,

40:18

but it's useful There's a restaurant in Shibuya in

40:20

in Tokyo that I only know how to get

40:22

to because of the GPS on the picture Cuz

40:24

it's not I don't even know what the name

40:26

of it is. It's all in Japanese I

40:30

just find the pin so where it is. It's really

40:32

good. By the way We have the wonderful Scott Wilkinson

40:34

coming up our home theater geek in just a little

40:36

bit We're gonna take more calls to it 888 724

40:41

to 884 take advantage of the fact that

40:43

Alex Lindsay's in town Because you

40:46

know his expertise if you've

40:48

got questions about streaming about cameras about

40:50

microphones about Princess

40:52

Amadala's ship about About

40:56

Boba Fett. I don't know whatever else you're

40:58

interested in This guy is

41:00

a walking encyclopedia. It's a really great

41:02

opportunity photography to take that's how you

41:05

started Showing up

41:07

on my old TV show call for

41:09

help. It was was to talk about

41:11

pictures pictures photography some Photoshop

41:13

some visual effects I think my very first

41:15

one was how to do camera mapping and

41:18

I don't it was it was a was that

41:20

the one where you? Pointed put little dots and

41:22

I was a brand new market which by now

41:24

now photogrammetry is like oh everybody can do it

41:26

And back then it was a it

41:28

was a thing. It's amazing what you could do in your

41:30

phone Yeah, this

41:32

is a very powerful computer in your

41:35

pocket right now is mr. Wilkinson

41:37

ready to go I know it's a minute

41:39

early. It's only 1159

41:42

but our man in Santa Cruz is ready. Oh

41:44

look at this here. You are

41:46

in our discord 20 years

41:48

ago in 2004

41:50

almost exactly 20 years ago Alex Lindsay

41:53

not his first Not his

41:55

first appearance probably one of your last actually

41:57

I think I like I

42:00

followed you to the campus. That's

42:04

the great catch, Schwartz. He's

42:07

probably violating copyright, but it is my show. Exactly.

42:09

I think he should be able to play around a

42:11

show. You should be able to play

42:14

your own show. Let me see if I can find Alex

42:17

in here. These

42:21

are all on, uh... Is

42:23

that Alex? I think that's me. Oh my god,

42:25

I don't even recognize you. I know. One

42:28

more. Gabe's question, right? Gabe's question.

42:30

He's got this faded photo. Look at you,

42:32

Alex. Oh, me. It both

42:34

looked a little bit younger, 20 years ago. That's

42:36

when my wife was at Harvard, and the

42:39

only thing I had to do in life was work out.

42:41

And we get three months. Literally, I was like two and

42:43

a half hours of working out a day. That's so great.

42:45

Anyway, but what were they talking about there? I don't even

42:47

know. I don't

42:49

know. Anyway, Photoshop. You can watch this on YouTube. There

42:51

it is. Search for call for

42:53

help. A lot of that old stuff is up there.

42:56

Probably illegal. It's owned by NBC Comics. Comcast

42:59

Universal. That giant Megalock. Yeah, yeah.

43:02

Megalith. Uh... yeah, there is a plasma

43:04

behind us. Those were about $10,000. That's right, Evan. And,

43:08

you know, the screenshots went in back in... I

43:10

remember sitting behind them. You gotta remember

43:12

this. Right now, we just cut to the screen. Yeah,

43:15

we have it. We cut to the screen. They

43:17

had a camera shooting the monitor, which I will

43:19

say actually often looks better because they were able

43:21

to pan in and pan around. Just be careful

43:23

because it'll more rail. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was

43:25

a... Yeah, we had... It would be cool. It

43:27

was a full-time camera operator. The camera operator for

43:30

the screen camera. For the screen camera. And he

43:32

was like, he's right up on it and

43:34

looking over it and it was quite a thing.

43:37

It is, again, a lot easier now

43:39

than it was way back when. Scott

43:42

Wilkinson joining us. Our

43:44

Home Theater Geek. You

43:46

can see his stuff on the AVS Forum.

43:48

And, of course, he hosts the Home Theater

43:50

Geek podcast in our

43:53

club, Twit. Actually, it's now available in audio

43:55

to the world, to everyone. Go to

43:57

Twit.tv slash htg and you can...

44:00

Subscribe. Hi Scott. Hey Scott. Hey

44:02

you guys how you doing? We're great you

44:05

know Alex of course you do. I do

44:07

yes. I see you many times. Yeah nice

44:10

to see you. Good to see you too. Looking

44:12

at those 20 year old pictures kind

44:16

of go oh look at myself 20 years

44:18

ago I actually probably had some color in

44:20

my beard. I should have warned Jordan that

44:22

that's the problem with doing stuff when you're

44:24

young is that you

44:26

watch a video

44:28

yeah. So what's

44:30

what's on your mind today Scott Wilkinson?

44:33

Well a number of things. One

44:37

thing is I just went

44:39

to a convention in

44:42

San Jose called display

44:44

week. Oh wow. Found by the

44:46

Society for Information display. That's cool.

44:49

How did I It's very cool.

44:51

It's super geeky. It

44:54

is the manufacturers

44:56

of the raw panels

44:58

and other display technologies

45:01

that then consumer companies

45:03

make into TVs. Now

45:06

some of those manufacturers are names you

45:08

know like LG manufactures a

45:11

lot of the panels. Correct.

45:13

They manufacture virtually all of

45:15

the OLED panels but

45:18

it's a different arm of LG. LG

45:20

electronics is what we all know as

45:22

you know you go and buy an

45:24

OLED TV from LG electronics but

45:27

the other arm of the company is

45:30

called LG display and

45:33

they make the raw panels and they do the

45:35

R&D to

45:37

move the technology forward. Samsung has

45:40

a similar deal. It's Samsung electronics

45:42

or Samsung Samsung display. Now wait

45:44

a minute Sony now sells OLEDs

45:46

in fact the Sony OLED display

45:49

was picked as the best TV

45:51

in the big TV shootout. They're

45:54

not using an LG panel are they? You

45:57

know what I don't know the answer. I

46:01

don't think so. I'm

46:03

not sure that they make their own though. They

46:05

probably source it from somewhere else. This is a

46:07

good question that I need to research. Sony was

46:09

the first OLED I ever saw at CES

46:12

many years ago. Sony was selling

46:14

very expensive displays for TV

46:16

stations, for shading, for color shading and so

46:18

forth. And they were small. But they were

46:20

tiny. Yeah, they were like this big. Yeah.

46:23

So I'm gonna bet Sony makes

46:25

their own OLEDs, but that's just

46:27

my guess. It could be. So

46:31

at display week, the

46:34

big news was... Well,

46:37

quantum dots were everywhere and we know we've

46:39

seen quantum dots. I love my quantum dot.

46:41

I have a quantum dot Samsung that I

46:43

really love. OLED, that's right. I just I

46:46

have a Sony QD OLED, which

46:48

I just installed. Oh, congratulations. Holy moly does

46:50

that look good. What's nice is it's an

46:52

OLED, but it's brighter than traditional OLEDs, right?

46:54

So you can get all that contrast, but

46:56

you also get brightness. And

46:59

it does not have a white sub

47:01

pixel. Conventional OLEDs have a red green

47:03

and a blue sub pixel to make

47:05

up each full color pixel. But

47:08

they also have a white sub pixel. And

47:10

the reason is OLED doesn't get as bright

47:12

as LCD. So if you put a white

47:14

sub pixel in there, it can

47:17

get brighter. But you

47:19

pay for that by

47:21

having less saturation in

47:24

the colors as the picture gets brighter.

47:27

So QD OLED does not

47:30

have that. They don't have a white sub

47:32

pixel and they can get brighter and retain

47:35

color saturation all the way up to near

47:37

the top of the brightness. How

47:40

big of a deal is burn-in with OLEDs now?

47:42

Not a big deal. Not

47:45

a big deal. It's not

47:47

non-existent. But

47:49

it's certainly nothing like it used to be with

47:52

plasma. Remember plasma? And

47:54

burn-in. Now if you leave a static

47:56

image on an OLED TV for days

47:58

or weeks. Yeah, you'll get

48:00

burned in. So I've done some research.

48:03

Get this. Sony

48:05

made the decision to adopt

48:08

LG Display's WOLED, their white

48:10

OLED technology, and Samsung's

48:12

QD OLED for the Sony

48:14

TVs. So they are using

48:17

Samsung and they're using Samsung

48:19

display. Yes. But a

48:21

lot of times isn't the difference though, the color

48:23

science, like how they process the image that they

48:25

put on the display. So even though the same

48:27

manufacturer makes the display, it is

48:30

how Sony, Sony happens to be exceptional

48:32

at color science. At processing, yes. At

48:34

video processing, not only color science, but motion. Yes,

48:38

the processors are different and that's what

48:40

distinguishes a Sony from a Samsung even

48:42

though they're using the same panel. Right.

48:45

Exactly right. But the biggest news at

48:47

display week was the

48:50

next step in

48:52

QD evolution, which is

48:54

called electro luminescent quantum

48:57

dots. So instead

48:59

of quantum dots up till

49:01

now have been used with

49:04

what's called photoluminescent. So they quantum

49:06

dots get hit with a blue

49:08

light and they absorb

49:10

the blue light and then they re-radiate green

49:12

or red or whatever color depending on their

49:15

size. Oh, that's interesting. I did not know.

49:17

That's how they work. That's how all quantum TVs, quantum dot

49:20

TVs to this point work. But

49:22

what has been the holy grail has

49:25

been, what if you

49:27

could electrically stimulate the quantum

49:29

dots to glow directly? And

49:33

this is called electro luminescent quantum dot

49:35

and people have been working on it

49:38

for years. We've seen demos at CES

49:40

and all these different shows, but they've

49:42

been, you know, super tiny little screens

49:44

or little almost pixel size of one

49:46

color. At

49:49

this show, we finally saw

49:51

actual displays and

49:55

they look phenomenal. Oh crap. What kind

49:57

of And

50:00

so what makes them, what distinguishes them? Is

50:02

it the resolution, the brightness, the color, or

50:04

all the brightness, the brightness and the color,

50:06

the resolution is you can make almost any

50:08

resolution. And what's the, and what, and how

50:11

many nits are they, are they putting out?

50:14

Uh, let's see. Well, it's

50:17

not that impressive yet. The,

50:19

there were three, there was

50:21

sharp TCL and

50:23

Samsung, I believe, had

50:26

prototypes. These are not products. You're not going to be able

50:28

to buy this next year. Right. Um,

50:31

and the Samsung, I

50:33

believe, was the largest at 18

50:36

inches and I believe it's peak

50:38

brightness at full white. That

50:40

is the entire screen full

50:43

peak white, uh,

50:45

was about 300 nits. Okay.

50:47

So that's not terribly impressive,

50:49

but nit peak brightness on all

50:52

TVs is never expressed as full

50:54

screen white. It's expressed as a

50:56

3% window. Right.

50:59

You know, a tiny little window, and then

51:01

you can get up pretty high. The

51:04

fourth, third generation Samsung QD OLED was

51:06

up at 3000 nits. Oh,

51:09

that's right. Okay. In a 3%

51:12

window at a tiny little window. You

51:14

want, you're not staring at a bright

51:17

screen. You want specular highlights like the

51:19

JJ Abrams kind of sun bouncing off

51:21

something that's blimey bright. It's a tiny

51:23

little pinpoint. Right. Yeah. You're just correct.

51:25

Like in the Martian, right? The sun

51:28

would hit the spacecraft. You made those

51:30

specular highlights on princess Amadallas. And

51:32

that was simply, that was still in, in,

51:34

um, standard dynamic range. I mean, so the,

51:37

all of that, we weren't doing

51:39

anything in, you couldn't do it. We

51:41

weren't doing, it was all eight,

51:43

eight bit linear. Like

51:45

it wasn't, you know, all the, all the effects back then were,

51:48

were much more limited than they are now. Now we have to,

51:50

now when we think about these effects, we're thinking about, well, a

51:52

lot of this is going to sit at 600 nits. We're going

51:54

to have some peaks in between, you know, you Know,

51:56

maybe they're, they're baseline at a thousand nits. Maybe

51:59

They're going to. The Governor Fifteen Internet

52:01

and minute the new I pose a hazard

52:03

thousand that said Nizza Hdr Ah so three

52:05

thousand as a lot Three hundred right And

52:07

the new Sony Tv the new flagship Sony

52:10

Bravia nine isn't as a quantum.lcd Tv it

52:12

speaks at four thousand It's yeah it's funny

52:14

I I I was an Adobe Air presentation

52:17

it was in with were in this room

52:19

and at that Indo Adobe's I had court

52:21

and one of their headquarters and they they

52:23

they showed us that every screen standard dynamic

52:26

range and high dynamic range and app you

52:28

know standard on immigrants looks like. Might right

52:30

around when she had used to as a it

52:32

used to incident in were sitting there looking into

52:35

thousand minutes and then he goes and now we're

52:37

going to move to the screen and he goes.

52:39

Novices: Four thousand that he turns the same image

52:41

on an hour thousand it's looks like mud ways

52:43

unless you know and and now you're not as

52:46

if you're like oh my gosh and as on

52:48

the ice is actually incident that Well well it's

52:50

not quite as. The. The

52:52

interesting thing is is eyes.

52:55

That. One of these, it don't We point

52:57

out people. Sakara Four Thousand. It's been really bright,

52:59

but they showed a picture that they had measured

53:01

and they said, well effectively. This wall in the

53:03

shadow in I'm in, I'm in a ah. Ah

53:06

in an alley is nine thousand it's like you're

53:08

at you know and when we're when our eyes

53:10

are adjusting to the problem is if you're one

53:13

little square that as four thousand nets and everything

53:15

else around as black your eyes open up too

53:17

much and your now to rein too much lights.

53:19

but in if you're an environment what you're walking

53:21

around in a day to day basis is much

53:23

more than four thousand. it's is it direct threat

53:26

I mean that your your eyes are getting that

53:28

all the time you six or a But the

53:30

problem is is it's the it's the percentage of

53:32

of. Ah, Of

53:34

years of your field of view field of

53:36

view and also rise on us. The iris

53:39

is on a dirt quite a few people

53:41

will I go outside without sunglasses and is

53:43

why people wear sunglasses. Comes on Sprite that

53:45

I will definitely. I

53:48

mean you look this the sun. If you

53:50

if you were to point a light meter

53:52

app the sun is one one point six

53:54

billion knit. Is it really? Oh you? No

53:57

If you knew. Wow that's a lot of

53:59

nets and. No of. and right now

54:01

I live in our screen or in the

54:03

what we think of as the scale that

54:05

we're working on as it goes up to

54:07

about ten thousand and s that's the that's

54:09

the peak of of Hdr currently different I

54:11

dynamic range is ten thousand nets her and

54:13

by but even the Obs I think Dolby

54:15

and others have gotten. They have screens that

54:17

are forty thousand and but that has been

54:19

that's a projector on a on a window.

54:22

right? It's a small window. Very small window.

54:24

Like it's a small into like this bay

54:26

with a project like us. twenty five thousand

54:28

Lumens projector behind it. You know, Ron Borges.

54:30

You'd have. To. Forty thousand. It's. Correct

54:33

for what is knit stands for. Ah,

54:36

it's it's. not an acronym, it's just a

54:38

little term. It's a lumens. Is.

54:41

It lumens per square meter. Is

54:43

incorrect and dell as per square meter. That's

54:45

what it is. So and it's a

54:47

small candela. A

54:50

bit of an analysis of to I don't know how.

54:52

I don't know where it came from actually. But

54:56

it's is easier than saying. Ten

54:58

dollars per square meter certainly is absent.

55:00

That. Anyway, so these

55:02

electoral luminescent, quantum.displays We've been

55:04

hoping for them for years.

55:07

It's the Symbolists. Ah

55:09

architecture in a display. ah

55:11

I'm and it It will

55:13

achieve much greater brightness and

55:16

much greater color of up

55:18

saturation at wide range is

55:20

of brightness. Ah,

55:22

so you know the foam? oh

55:25

isn't there yet because there's no

55:27

Tv you can buy of Thank

55:29

goodness Thank the i don't feel

55:31

Had a fourteen inch laptop display.

55:34

That. Was que de eat out how

55:36

many knit sir and a lumen a

55:38

mother as sketchy be to their you

55:40

see if she knows as a. Mentor

55:46

for things aren't. As

55:50

bright as per unit area. While

55:52

lumens measure luminous flux, total amount

55:55

of visible light. To. Relate

55:57

the to you'd need additional information.

56:00

The size of the emitting area and it's

56:02

a business. Thank.

56:04

You aren't you smart? And

56:06

and the sky and how much our

56:08

discussions or about resolution of course because

56:10

we had. Are. We.

56:14

There. Was we went to four and I have

56:16

seen to make a jump and then we'd and

56:18

then when jump to a cable now feel like

56:20

Iran can only back to form is gone ha

56:23

was hard to get now. yeah there are a

56:25

few. There are a few Eight K T V's

56:27

available, others virtually no content except on you tube.

56:29

there are some eight K. Things.

56:32

Are new to but no one is

56:34

the zebra Demand for a caper tic?

56:36

No, I don't believe so I don't

56:38

believe. So there's there's no way to

56:40

really transmitted. Of either

56:42

by streaming or I mean you can

56:45

I guess from you to but it

56:47

be heavily compressed. Ah but there's no

56:49

reason to do it or there's no

56:51

reason to master material mean the content

56:54

creators aren't gonna be making a gay

56:56

material you go on a hard nosed.

56:58

Yes I've been here is our that they're

57:01

going on plant run on all the obstacles

57:03

it is climbs you a mean Louis there

57:05

is I experienced is different So we did

57:07

some research where we were doing ah ha

57:10

one twenty eight the Hdr so as a

57:12

C or ten plus was a cave in.

57:14

One twenty and and one twenty frames per

57:16

second. Yep. And. At

57:19

that. Your. Brightness, frame

57:21

rate resolution, your television screen or what we

57:23

reasonably the wall. but it does look like

57:26

a window like the marine. So somewhere between

57:28

ninety two and ninety six frames frames a

57:30

second your brain starts to go. This is

57:32

a window. It's is no longer relating to

57:35

it as. A Am. I.

57:38

No longer relating to them. that screen as a

57:40

screen know and blaze green dress. It's just a

57:42

window to the outside world is so you get

57:44

two hundred twenty frames a second. What's nice about

57:46

one hundred twenty is that it evenly divisible by

57:49

sixty Thirty Twenty four. So the rent and use

57:51

optical flow to take the one twenty and reconvert

57:53

it back to the to that frame rate. So

57:55

that's what we're looking at it at that rate.

57:58

But is that was what it was. fascinating. is

58:00

we found you can't make film the same way anymore. So

58:02

if you go to 120 frames a second, jibs,

58:05

helicopters, dollies, all

58:07

those, you can't use because people get sick because their

58:09

brain is now like, oh, that's

58:12

an actual, something's actually happening. You know,

58:14

and- Well, Alex, this leads me to

58:16

ask you a question. Have

58:18

you seen any of the high frame rate movies

58:20

that, for example, Ang Lee did? Yeah,

58:23

I haven't. So I've seen a

58:25

lot of 120 frames per second stuff because

58:28

we were shooting a lot of it when we were working with

58:30

folks. And Sony's done some great, they

58:32

had an LED wall at NAB a couple years, but

58:34

right before COVID, I think 2019, that

58:38

showed like what that looked like at scale.

58:42

I haven't, but the number one thing that came back from

58:45

the movies was people getting disoriented. Yeah,

58:47

I didn't like it. And I saw

58:49

Billy Lin's long halftime walk. Long

58:51

halftime walk, yeah. And in fact, my friend Steve Martin

58:53

was in it, and he told me a few things.

58:55

First of all, Ang Lee wouldn't let him wear makeup

58:58

because you can see it. And so

59:00

it's almost too vivid, too real, more

59:05

even than say, I saw

59:07

Oppenheimer and IMAX. It even was

59:09

more real and vivid than that. It

59:11

was unpleasant. It's, what

59:14

we found with the stuff that we

59:16

did was that there were certain things

59:18

that regular feature film really does

59:21

really well at 24 frames a second.

59:23

So a narrative, your brain stays in

59:25

this narrative state. But as you

59:27

wanna do live, when you wanna do

59:30

live, if you do a live concert, sports, that's different

59:32

and so forth, it now feels more visceral. Now you're

59:34

there, you're at the game. And that's why you wanna

59:36

do it. But you lock down cameras for those. You're

59:38

not doing a lot of panning, zooming or anything. You

59:41

have to. And then it's like you're there.

59:44

The one that the only scripted

59:46

stuff that we found had potential

59:48

was horror, but it was so intense.

59:51

It was so intense that it was like people were like,

59:53

because it was like looking at a window of what you

59:55

were looking at. I'm

59:58

not a horror fan. way and I certainly

1:00:01

don't watch 24 in 120 brains. 24

1:00:05

frames is dreamlike and that's what we're used

1:00:07

to with the movie is this kind of

1:00:10

suspended disbelief and that's a reality and we're

1:00:12

in a dream and we like that. The

1:00:14

hard part is. And that's why I'm wondering

1:00:16

if there's much consumer push to 8K. 4K

1:00:19

is good enough. The other thing is that there's

1:00:22

a lot of the streamers like 24 because it

1:00:24

saves the money. Same reason when we started doing

1:00:26

Mac Break, we didn't have the money to, you

1:00:28

know, we didn't want to put pressure on the

1:00:30

CDN on CashFly and we

1:00:32

did 1080p. So

1:00:35

we literally did 24 frames a second because it

1:00:37

saved us. It was one sixth less data.

1:00:40

But that's a lot. And that adds up. So

1:00:43

there's not a lot of pressure for streamers to go

1:00:45

to a high frame rate although almost the entire pipeline

1:00:47

now is at 120. So all

1:00:49

our displays, our phones, everything

1:00:51

is all at 120 frames a second. We've

1:00:54

got cameras rolling out at 120 frames a second. It's

1:00:57

just the distribution pipeline. The

1:00:59

current Apple TVs are capable of 120 frames a second.

1:01:02

Really? I don't think I knew that. Yeah,

1:01:04

they're capable of it. They're not doing it but they support

1:01:06

that. Is your Blu-ray player a

1:01:08

good? I just put on Scott's

1:01:11

room recommendation that Panasonic UHT.

1:01:13

Panasonic player. Can they do 120?

1:01:15

I don't know. Maybe the Blu-rays don't even have

1:01:17

that kind. I think they tap out at 60. They

1:01:20

tap out at 60. That's correct. So

1:01:22

I've got an assignment for the next time you're on. We

1:01:25

often talk about SAF, spousal

1:01:28

acceptance factor. When

1:01:30

it comes to buying a new TV, I'm

1:01:32

not saying wife, I'm saying spouse. But

1:01:35

it's often the case in a couple that

1:01:37

one of the members of the couple wants

1:01:40

the biggest, brightest, most expensive TV

1:01:42

and the other one says not

1:01:45

in my living room. Right.

1:01:48

However, I will tell you this. I do know

1:01:50

already how surprised I was

1:01:52

to find that in

1:01:55

a heteronormative couple,

1:01:57

the wife is the

1:01:59

one. one that often wants the larger

1:02:02

TV. Well, Lisa wants both. So

1:02:06

one of the things we don't like, and I agree with her,

1:02:08

with most TVs you have that black hole at the

1:02:11

end of the wall when

1:02:14

it's not off. So

1:02:16

we're looking at a Samsung frame

1:02:19

TV. About

1:02:22

what I was going to talk about, exactly. So I want

1:02:24

to give you an assignment because we're thinking about this for

1:02:27

our living room. The

1:02:30

new ones are matte, so they look like

1:02:32

a painting on the wall. It's 4K and

1:02:35

they have fine art or you can put your own

1:02:37

pictures in it. It has a sensor, so when people

1:02:39

leave the room then it turns off. But

1:02:42

when there's somebody in the room, it's not

1:02:44

a black hole. It looks like, in fact

1:02:46

they even have frames, some of

1:02:48

them very ornate, that you can put around. It

1:02:51

looks like a painting on your wall. Yeah, it looks like a picture frame. And

1:02:53

they've just added 80 inches. How big did they get? 80

1:02:55

inches. That's pretty nice. I think that's what we're going to

1:02:57

get. They've just added to this, and this is kind

1:03:00

of also interesting, they

1:03:02

have speakers that are paintings. They're

1:03:05

Dolby Atmos speakers. They call it the

1:03:08

music frame. From

1:03:10

Samsung? Yeah, the idea is you put your

1:03:12

frame TV, which is a big painting over

1:03:14

the fireplace. I wouldn't put it over the fireplace,

1:03:17

but you know. And then

1:03:19

in the rest of the room, they're

1:03:21

speakers, but they really look like paintings.

1:03:23

Oh, that's cool. I hadn't heard of

1:03:25

that. I'm going to look into that. Yeah, I

1:03:28

have it up on the... So what's my

1:03:30

assignment? It's just to find out more about

1:03:32

this crazy idea. But

1:03:34

you could do the frame with any... You could build a

1:03:36

frame for any TV. For any TV, right?

1:03:39

Yeah, yeah. Well, exactly. Some

1:03:41

of my questions are, you know, maybe it'd be better just to get a good

1:03:43

Sony OLED. I'm also

1:03:45

thinking about getting... In the process of getting

1:03:48

a new TV, and it turns out between

1:03:50

my surround front speakers, my right

1:03:52

and left, it'll fit an 85 inch

1:03:54

almost perfectly with just a little bit of room left.

1:03:57

So there you go. But what I'm looking at doing

1:03:59

is cutting my server room. is right behind my

1:04:01

living room. And so I've been looking

1:04:03

at literally cutting a hole in

1:04:06

the server room between the two and

1:04:08

then just installing the TV into the

1:04:10

wall and then put a frame

1:04:13

around it to do much of what you're

1:04:15

talking about. It'll feel very thin, although it'll

1:04:17

be going into the wall. And

1:04:21

then what we do is put photos on

1:04:23

ours. Our Apple TV goes, grabs a photo

1:04:25

library and starts putting it on. And everybody

1:04:27

loves that. You know, like... So

1:04:30

that gallery has been really,

1:04:32

really popular in our family. We should also

1:04:34

mention that the Discord's telling me that

1:04:36

LG also makes what they call a

1:04:38

gallery edition of its

1:04:41

OLED EVO. That it's the

1:04:43

same idea that it's to be on the wall. I

1:04:45

think the problem for me is I always want to

1:04:48

focus on having something that is as good as it

1:04:50

can be for what it does. Yeah, I agree. Especially

1:04:52

when I'm watching movies, I'm mostly going to watch movies.

1:04:54

I'd rather build something around

1:04:57

a really good movie screen

1:04:59

than have it kind

1:05:01

of halfway in between two things.

1:05:03

Yeah. Well, I suppose. On

1:05:05

the other hand, I assume that the frame

1:05:07

can be calibrated to... Should

1:05:10

be accurate. Yeah. Should be

1:05:12

accurate. I don't know if it's... It is an LED

1:05:14

LCD. But again, this is the living room, so I

1:05:16

want an LCD in the

1:05:18

living room. We have a... For the

1:05:20

actual red. ... in the

1:05:22

movie viewing. Alex, if you're embedding the

1:05:25

TV into the wall, what about the

1:05:27

studs? I'm working on that.

1:05:29

That's the part I haven't figured out yet. You know?

1:05:31

That's kind of the eternal question. There's some reinforcement that

1:05:33

needs to be done there. But

1:05:39

people have put holes in the wall. Oh, you mean it's

1:05:42

a load-bearing wall. No, no. It's not necessarily a load-bearing wall.

1:05:44

No, but any wall is going to have the studs in

1:05:46

it. No, you have to build around it. I have

1:05:48

a contractor looking at it. So it's not...

1:05:51

It's not the stud. I'm not going to do it

1:05:53

myself. When I say I'm going to do something, when

1:05:55

it comes to wood and plaster, there is nothing that

1:05:58

I'm going to do. I manage

1:06:00

the pool and that is as far as

1:06:02

as technical as I get when it comes

1:06:05

to how. Scott Wilkinson he's the host of

1:06:07

the Home Theatre Geeks podcast you can get

1:06:09

it right now if you go to twit.tv

1:06:11

slash HTG and of course club members get

1:06:13

the video as well as the audio you

1:06:15

also write for AVS forum and every month

1:06:17

you have a home theater of

1:06:19

the month. What's your home theater this

1:06:22

month? Well

1:06:24

I haven't quite finished it yet so

1:06:26

don't just surprise us next week or

1:06:28

I will surprise you next time however

1:06:31

I tell you I'll tell you this

1:06:33

in Home Theatre Geeks I've now taken

1:06:35

to featuring one of those particularly interesting

1:06:37

ones once in a while

1:06:39

and the one that is coming up actually I

1:06:42

think this Thursday is called

1:06:45

Basehead's Dream it's

1:06:48

a guy who put a theater in

1:06:50

his little second bedroom and

1:06:52

he's seriously into base and

1:06:54

what's called motion actuation oh

1:06:57

dear and he's got his

1:06:59

three seats his three

1:07:01

seats have sub woofers basically

1:07:03

surrounding them and tactile transducers

1:07:05

and there's a little video that I

1:07:07

show from YouTube that he made of

1:07:10

the rhino stampede from

1:07:12

Jumanji and these seats

1:07:14

are like jumping all over the place and

1:07:17

he loves it. Well as you

1:07:19

know it's all about the base no really

1:07:21

that's right yeah Scott Wilkinson thank you

1:07:23

so much AVS Forum Home Theatre

1:07:25

Geeks we'll see you next month on

1:07:27

Ask The Tech Guys. Take care Scott. You

1:07:30

too. Oh I love

1:07:32

that. We shrink them into

1:07:34

the Stargate. I

1:07:36

want to know more about this project when you when

1:07:38

you get going. The thing about the room, the frame. The

1:07:41

wall used to be and then now my bedroom's in

1:07:43

the in the in the living room because I took out

1:07:45

one of the wrong walls. Yeah that wouldn't be good.

1:07:47

The thing about the frame is it's super thin because

1:07:49

they've taken the controls and they as Samsung

1:07:51

always does and they put that in a separate

1:07:53

box. If it's the same quality, same frame, right

1:07:55

the same brightness of a high performance frame of

1:07:58

fine performance TV then I think it's great. If

1:08:00

it's if I'm giving up I don't want to sacrifice

1:08:02

I see what you're saying Yeah, we're gonna have any

1:08:04

quality for it. I'd be a little I'd be more

1:08:06

resistant. It's only so far We're willing to go for

1:08:08

spousal acceptance factors We

1:08:10

find out what you can sell in your in your garage Tell

1:08:15

the stuff off and I can buy another camera or

1:08:17

put a couch in the garage because you'll be sleeping

1:08:19

there Yeah, we are going to take a little break

1:08:21

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Alright let's get back to the phone calls it's

1:12:12

so great to have Alex Lindsay. It's gonna be

1:12:14

here. Yeah it's

1:12:16

perfect you're you're I mean this

1:12:18

is all right down your alley ask

1:12:20

questions about you know all those areas Alex

1:12:23

is an expert in who should we who

1:12:25

should we talk to John Ashley. I

1:12:28

think you know who and is it Greg was that

1:12:30

his name? No it was Pat. Pat

1:12:34

is off the sofa and on to

1:12:36

the Stargate welcome to Ask the Tech

1:12:38

Guys Pat. I put on the horn

1:12:41

rims because I look more intelligent. What city you calling

1:12:45

from Pat? I'm in Monrovia

1:12:47

here in the San Gabriel Valley. Nice

1:12:50

it's great to have you welcome to the

1:12:52

show what can we do for you? Good

1:12:54

to be back I used to talk to

1:12:57

you I used to have an internet radio

1:12:59

station. I was I can tell I just

1:13:01

I'm hearing the mellifluous tones what's

1:13:03

the radio station? Well

1:13:05

now I don't have

1:13:07

to do my own thing because I

1:13:10

have been welcomed into California State University

1:13:12

Long Beach station which is on tiny

1:13:14

HD sub band it's

1:13:17

HD3 it is well it's

1:13:19

easier to find it let me plug it before

1:13:21

I get into my question electrical-radio.com

1:13:25

nice and

1:13:28

that will lead you to it. What kind of music what

1:13:30

do you do? Well

1:13:32

they let normally it's students

1:13:35

on there and a long time this is a

1:13:37

jukebox but when you

1:13:39

get on to 22 West media.com

1:13:41

that's the Long Beach State Station on the

1:13:43

weekends they let people who've been in broadcast

1:13:46

area including fools like me that were only

1:13:48

in college radio but I got in there

1:13:50

yeah that's how I started don't knock it.

1:13:53

Yeah it's a mix of rock

1:13:56

and jazz but I do

1:13:59

mix of old and new, so I

1:14:02

liked being able to put Duke Ellington

1:14:04

next to some new group

1:14:07

or something recent. Well, you're

1:14:09

talking to two radio guys. Alex was in

1:14:11

radio for years as a music director. I

1:14:14

started in college radio and it really

1:14:17

lied to me because I thought I

1:14:19

would get to play the eclectic mix

1:14:21

of music that I like. And

1:14:24

in college radio I did. The best part

1:14:26

of being a music director is then the

1:14:28

station plays the eclectic. You

1:14:31

can choose. You can choose. Yeah, exactly.

1:14:34

I never got to choose once I got into the

1:14:36

business, but that's all right. That's fine. We

1:14:38

do have a station here that's California

1:14:41

State University Northridge, which is called

1:14:43

it's commercial. It's

1:14:46

a public station, the

1:14:48

socalsound.org, where they do have broadcast

1:14:51

professionals and they do do their

1:14:53

own thing. That's a nice

1:14:55

commercial there either. But yeah, my show

1:14:58

is on Fridays, Pacific

1:15:00

Time, 6 to 10 in the evening. Awesome.

1:15:04

And do you have a name? Do you call yourself

1:15:07

LL. Sure. Pat?

1:15:09

It's the electrical radio program hosted by

1:15:12

me at VAR. Nice. We

1:15:15

shall be listening. That's wonderful. Now

1:15:18

you can ask your question. So

1:15:21

I saved up my money

1:15:23

and I even had some stock

1:15:26

in Nvidia, which helped me a

1:15:28

lot. Wow. You didn't have to save

1:15:30

much for that. Wow. Now

1:15:32

leasing an electric car. Good.

1:15:35

Interestingly, it has an

1:15:39

operating system for its entertainment that's

1:15:42

kind of obscure. It's not

1:15:44

Android Auto. It is called

1:15:46

Android Automotive OS. Yes. And

1:15:49

it has Android Automotive OS as well. Who's

1:15:51

the maker? It's

1:15:53

a Polestar. Polestar. The

1:15:55

Volvo EV brand. It's

1:15:57

kind of a joint venture of Volvo and the... China,

1:16:00

a Chinese company. Nice. And

1:16:03

I really, at least, do it. They look great. I

1:16:05

really love the Polestars. So

1:16:09

yeah, so it's right. So look, all

1:16:11

cars are nowadays computers as well. And

1:16:14

all computers have to run an operating system. And there

1:16:16

are a variety of choices. Ford for a long time

1:16:18

had its own automotive operating

1:16:20

system. That's that Ford Sync. A

1:16:23

lot of companies use QNX,

1:16:25

BlackBerry's real-time OS. But

1:16:28

more and more, people are using Android automotive

1:16:31

from Google. Doesn't mean you have

1:16:33

to have an Android phone. Doesn't act like an Android

1:16:35

phone. But it is the base operating

1:16:37

system. So what would you like to know? It

1:16:41

doesn't have Android automotive. In fact, it does

1:16:43

have Apple CarPlay. It doesn't have... Wait

1:16:46

a minute. It doesn't have Android Auto? This

1:16:49

other one, and that's the things, it's

1:16:51

limited. They don't have nearly as many

1:16:53

apps for Android automotive OS. Oh, that's

1:16:56

hysterical. It has Google built

1:16:58

in, right? That's

1:17:02

hysterical. It's a Polestar 3 or Polestar 2? Okay.

1:17:08

So it has... They say I'm looking at

1:17:10

their website. Google built in. Congratulations.

1:17:13

The first car

1:17:15

to feature a native Android automotive operating

1:17:17

system. So it is Android Auto.

1:17:21

No, it's Android automotive OS. So

1:17:23

if you try an Android phone,

1:17:25

it just ignores... What

1:17:30

I'm looking for is an app that you

1:17:33

can play internet radio stations on. Normally

1:17:36

when I'm here, I use one called... Well,

1:17:38

all your own stuff. There's

1:17:40

limited connectivity. You cannot use

1:17:43

an auxiliary jack from your

1:17:45

iPad. You'd

1:17:47

have to use Bluetooth. You said you can use CarPlay,

1:17:49

right? Yeah. Amazingly,

1:17:52

even though everything I have is Apple, my phone

1:17:55

is a Motorola. Okay. Because there

1:17:57

are some very good Apple

1:17:59

radios. apps. I use one

1:18:02

that maybe you recommended, Alex.

1:18:04

Somebody recommended on Mac break

1:18:06

weekly that I really like. I can't

1:18:08

remember the name off the top of my head. I'll find

1:18:12

it. For Android, I guess

1:18:14

everybody uses TuneIn. Can you install TuneIn on

1:18:16

that? I could use TuneIn.

1:18:18

I see people complaining that TuneIn now runs

1:18:20

ads, kind of like

1:18:22

YouTube does. Right. They do.

1:18:24

I mean, I

1:18:27

found a list of all that they have. Let's

1:18:29

see if you're familiar with any of these other...

1:18:31

Okay. There's

1:18:34

one called Radio FM, Open

1:18:37

Radio, radio.net,

1:18:41

and the oddly named

1:18:44

CarSensors. I'm not familiar with

1:18:46

any of those. There is a radio player that

1:18:53

launched with Polestar on Android Automotive.

1:18:56

This is from ScooterX. It's a

1:18:58

nonprofit radio platform backed by major

1:19:01

broadcasters. It launched

1:19:03

with the Polestar 2, but

1:19:07

you want internet radio. I'm gonna guess,

1:19:09

since I see the word broadcasters here,

1:19:12

that it's gonna be KFI and IHeart

1:19:15

and CBS. There is an IHeart

1:19:17

app. Yeah, but you want

1:19:19

to listen to your own show, is what you're saying,

1:19:21

right? I want to listen to...

1:19:23

Well, I did find Radio Paradise app on

1:19:25

there, which is great. That's the next... Yeah.

1:19:29

I don't see... like BBC is not on

1:19:31

there. The BBC Sounds is not available yet.

1:19:33

Right. The Joe is reminding me that the

1:19:35

app that we talked about before

1:19:38

on Mac very

1:19:40

quickly, but it's iOS is broadcast. That's Stephen Trout

1:19:42

and Smith's app. That's a... I've used that. And

1:19:44

then I think we also talked about Radio Garden.

1:19:47

That's a website, but that's a really cool

1:19:50

website. Yeah. Do you have a web

1:19:52

browser in there? There's

1:19:54

a beta version available of...

1:19:57

You know, you could try that. It's a beta version of Chrome.

1:20:00

Radio.garden. What

1:20:02

I like about this is it's a

1:20:05

globe. I think you recommended this, right? I

1:20:07

think you recommended it. Oh, okay. It was

1:20:09

like in 2016, like eight years ago. So

1:20:11

you can click on location and play the

1:20:14

radio. It's a great way to listen to world

1:20:16

radio. But

1:20:18

yeah, I don't know how that would work in

1:20:21

the car. It works on the desktop as a

1:20:23

browser, right? But I think it's so interesting. You

1:20:28

know, I guess, are you trying to listen to anything or

1:20:30

are you trying to listen to something specific? Well,

1:20:34

like TuneIn, I'm sure has every, well, most

1:20:36

of them. Yeah, it does. Yeah. If

1:20:40

only it didn't have those ads, it would be

1:20:42

great. So what happened, one of the things

1:20:44

that happened a couple of years ago was

1:20:48

all the companies, and there are only a handful of

1:20:50

big radio companies in the US anymore, CBS,

1:20:53

iHeart, Cumulus,

1:20:56

they decided, hey, why are we letting TuneIn

1:21:00

make money on our radio? And

1:21:03

so they all created their own apps and moved everything into

1:21:05

their own apps. So if you want to listen to a

1:21:07

CBS station, use a CBS app. If you want to know

1:21:09

iHeart station, use the iHeart

1:21:11

app, Cumulus station. And

1:21:13

so TuneIn got, at

1:21:15

least for US radio, greatly

1:21:17

constricted. Now,

1:21:20

internationally, they don't have the same problems. So you

1:21:22

can listen all over the world. Yeah, I mean,

1:21:24

I mostly listen to African stations. Great. It's great.

1:21:26

Right. And so it's, and

1:21:29

I like the ads. They're the, you know, that's

1:21:31

part of the entertainment. They have

1:21:33

Spotify, Cobas. Yeah.

1:21:36

So that,

1:21:39

so you want to listen to public radio or

1:21:41

college radio in the Southland, mainly. Is that right?

1:21:44

In any of these many stations, like I'd

1:21:46

like to listen to KCSN stations or ocalsound.org.

1:21:50

But I guess, well, radio paradise is

1:21:52

certainly a start. That's a very nice

1:21:54

station. Let

1:21:56

me see what else the Discord is recommending.

1:21:59

I think. maybe BBC sounds will come at

1:22:01

some point I hope so. Keith

1:22:04

tells us that twit is

1:22:06

blocked on tune-in in the

1:22:09

UK. That's not us I don't know

1:22:11

why that is. That's because twit means something different.

1:22:13

Oh maybe they think we're bad we're evil. I

1:22:15

think that's it.

1:22:18

I pay for tune-in with

1:22:21

tune-in radio pro and I think you're gonna

1:22:23

hear fewer ads. Maybe

1:22:25

I can do it. I think that would

1:22:27

be a way to do it. In fact

1:22:29

one of the things I also with tune-in

1:22:32

will listen to news channels like CNN and

1:22:34

MSNBC and they will actually cover their ads.

1:22:36

I hear Jim Cutler

1:22:39

come on and say that here's some news

1:22:41

you might have missed from earlier in the

1:22:43

day and they'll take a little chunk of

1:22:45

the earlier broadcast stick that in while the

1:22:47

ads are playing and then come back and

1:22:49

I kind of like that. I don't mind

1:22:51

that at all. So maybe just

1:22:54

pay for tune-in radio pro to eliminate

1:22:56

those ads. That's when

1:22:59

I had to use on Tesla. In fact when I

1:23:01

bought the Tesla many years ago they gave you a

1:23:04

complimentary pro subscription to tune-in because they didn't

1:23:06

have a radio in the car. I

1:23:08

don't know what they do these days. Yeah

1:23:11

see I think it's worth supporting tune-in

1:23:13

so I don't mind paying

1:23:15

for tune-in radio pro. Here's

1:23:18

the poll star list you probably were

1:23:20

reading from that of official

1:23:23

apps. Let me click

1:23:25

that link and

1:23:28

see. Oh that's nice. So

1:23:30

it goes to the Play Store so you can see

1:23:32

in the Play Store a

1:23:34

listing of compatible apps which

1:23:37

is not coming up for some reason. Yeah

1:23:40

it didn't give me anything that wasn't compatible.

1:23:42

I could see it at the election at the

1:23:44

moment. Let me

1:23:47

see if anybody

1:23:50

else is

1:23:54

any other recommendations from our Discord.

1:23:56

Alex do you probably listen to

1:23:59

the... radio radio in your car.

1:24:01

I have a hard time with not

1:24:04

being able to jump around. I have

1:24:06

a great ADD. I

1:24:09

think it's close to that I get to radio is

1:24:11

really that I I play a song and I do

1:24:13

it very specifically. I don't do any of the stations

1:24:15

or anything else that Apple Music puts up but I

1:24:17

play a song in Apple Music and

1:24:20

then I just let it keep going and I'll hear

1:24:22

all kinds of songs like it and I'm because

1:24:24

I used to be a music director I'll

1:24:26

listen for maybe 30 seconds and go like

1:24:28

my kids. You can't stick with

1:24:30

a song. No but then I

1:24:32

listen to it then I'll listen to and

1:24:35

it's a mixture that my one of the biggest way

1:24:37

that I find new music right now is that my

1:24:39

daughter and I go out on Saturday

1:24:41

mornings and she plays a song and then I play a song

1:24:43

so I play an old song she plays a new song I

1:24:45

play an old song the problem is now she

1:24:48

knows more of my music than I know

1:24:50

I think and then she knows all this

1:24:52

other music and I will say that the

1:24:54

the recommendation engines both in Spotify and Apple

1:24:56

Music just take you into these I

1:24:58

have all these obscure bands you always know you're obscure

1:25:00

because the lyrics are in just a page there's no

1:25:02

they don't follow along you're like oh there's

1:25:05

like a hundred people listening to this but you

1:25:07

find these great bands and great music that

1:25:09

you're never going to hear on radio ever

1:25:13

that it found that's actually great the algorithm finds

1:25:15

you something that's really good and I build all

1:25:17

these playlists you know I have one called New

1:25:19

to Me which is usually just new stuff that

1:25:21

I haven't heard before it could be old could

1:25:23

be new that the algorithm brought up and I

1:25:25

just save it and I use

1:25:27

the favorites very heavily like a favorite favorite favorite

1:25:29

favorite because otherwise I'll forget

1:25:31

about it and so I and

1:25:33

between my daughter and the algorithm I've I'm

1:25:36

listening to more new music now than I

1:25:38

think I did other than when I

1:25:40

was a music director I'm listening to more

1:25:42

music that I would never hear anywhere else and so I

1:25:44

guess my problem is I get in my car and I

1:25:47

I plug that in and you have your own stuff

1:25:49

kind of in my own world that's I think you're

1:25:51

you're in the majority now I think more people listen

1:25:53

to their own music than listen I mean the only

1:25:55

place the place that I like to listen to The

1:26:00

place I like to listen to music is

1:26:02

usually international like so I listen to some

1:26:04

Nigerian stations and I listen to some Zimbabwean

1:26:06

stations Because they just got great music, you

1:26:08

know and and and they're and a little bit of Ethiopia

1:26:12

But I'll also we did we were doing

1:26:14

a drive from Vegas from NEB I had

1:26:16

so much gear we drove and

1:26:18

we listened to this band who's actually playing up here

1:26:20

in Petaluma named dengue fever,

1:26:22

it's a Cambodian

1:26:25

Surf rock and we started

1:26:27

listening to it and the record the opening act

1:26:29

Ebola and They're

1:26:34

playing at Lagunitas at the end of July

1:26:36

and We just

1:26:38

found out because and um, but we're

1:26:40

fans of dengue fever And so we started

1:26:43

playing it and then and the

1:26:45

next thing we knew It was just

1:26:47

it went through this all through southeast A

1:26:49

this is the algorithm went through south all

1:26:51

through southeast Asia and Africa and everything else

1:26:53

and we just we had like eight hours Music

1:26:56

we had never heard before that was amazing. So I

1:26:58

think that there's and we there's some You

1:27:00

know now and I saved some of it,

1:27:03

you know And and so I think that

1:27:05

those engines now are really powerful and

1:27:07

really you I played dengue fever often on

1:27:10

my show I like them. Oh, you know

1:27:12

that day. Well, I like

1:27:14

you so good. I like Johnny

1:27:16

Ebola malaria 5. That's my personal

1:27:19

favorite Broadcast

1:27:23

So I'm really shocked that

1:27:25

Polestar which is using the Android

1:27:27

automotive auto system by the way, my BMW

1:27:29

also uses that and Allows

1:27:32

you to use Android auto, which is tying

1:27:34

to your phone as well as CarPlay But

1:27:37

for some reason Polestar has decided yeah, we'll give

1:27:39

you a CarPlay, but we don't want to give

1:27:41

you Android auto Certainly something they could That's

1:27:44

really odd. But I guess mate do they have

1:27:46

to pay you can't imagine they

1:27:48

have to pay for that capability Maybe they do have

1:27:50

to license it somehow Just

1:27:52

seems odd because it G. I decided not

1:27:54

to have either so who knows

1:27:57

That's right. Tesla doesn't have them. Yeah, Tesla doesn't

1:28:00

either. So I'm sorry,

1:28:02

that actually is something I would, before

1:28:04

I would buy a car, I would check to make sure

1:28:07

it's supported. I'm going to check out TuneIn and

1:28:09

probably more apps will come in the future. Yeah.

1:28:12

Yeah, I mean, it's not Android Auto,

1:28:15

but it is Android, so some apps

1:28:17

work. So that's interesting. Yeah.

1:28:20

Well, the car makers are very reluctant to do what

1:28:22

Apple wants. Apple wants to take over the whole screen.

1:28:25

And car makers seem very reluctant to do that. On

1:28:27

my BMW, you can have

1:28:29

Android Auto and CarPlay, and you can even

1:28:31

sit in those screens, but they have their own

1:28:34

screen and they kind of want you to be

1:28:36

on their screen. They want to keep all that

1:28:38

information for themselves. Well, they want to sell you

1:28:40

the service is what they want. They don't even

1:28:42

keep any information. In fact, BMW used to do

1:28:44

that. They used to charge you for CarPlay. And

1:28:47

there was such an outrage that they said, oh,

1:28:49

okay, fine. You can have CarPlay for free. Yeah.

1:28:51

I think the problem is that some, it's

1:28:54

always someone on the outside. It's kind of like AT&T

1:28:56

was on the outside, so they made a deal with

1:28:58

Apple. There'll be some car company that realizes they're going

1:29:00

to get more people buying their cars because they gave

1:29:02

Apple the whole screen. And once

1:29:04

they have that, it becomes very hard because people

1:29:06

will start buying the cars because it has, if

1:29:08

you give me an electric car that Apple takes

1:29:10

over the whole screen. There's two. Right

1:29:13

now, I think Porsche and the Alfa Romeo,

1:29:15

or is it, there's two car companies that

1:29:17

are doing CarPlay, the Apple way.

1:29:20

And I think that the problem is, as a

1:29:22

handful more, what happens is once they're in every

1:29:25

slot of cars, every

1:29:28

possible car from a relatively

1:29:31

inexpensive car to expensive sports cars,

1:29:33

once they have a version, those

1:29:36

verticals will sell well because Apple users

1:29:38

will go, well, I want

1:29:40

that and I'm not going to buy a car.

1:29:42

It becomes very quick to sort. Most cars are

1:29:44

not very differentiated from each other. It's a commoditized

1:29:46

market. There's not that much. They tell you there's

1:29:48

a lot different between the Dodge

1:29:50

and the Ford, but there's not really

1:29:52

much different. They've got a driver's wheel

1:29:54

and they've got a turn signal. And

1:29:57

so the interface becomes really important. And

1:30:00

so as that becomes more and more

1:30:02

important to the user, they'll make decisions based on that

1:30:04

and only take some percentage

1:30:06

points to be billions of dollars

1:30:08

of revenue based on that

1:30:10

people unwilling to buy your car because they

1:30:13

can't connect their phone, which is for most

1:30:15

people today, their phone is more important to

1:30:17

them than their car. Here from Tom's guide

1:30:19

is the picture of

1:30:22

Apple CarPlay taking over the whole car

1:30:24

and is currently Porsche and Aston Martin are the

1:30:27

only two manufacturers that have agreed. There'll be some

1:30:29

others that do it. And once they do, once

1:30:31

a wedge, a camel's nose under the tent. I

1:30:33

mean, I always think of the story behind Dodge

1:30:36

when they built the new truck look and

1:30:40

they built that new truck look and they showed it to a bunch of

1:30:42

people. And it was something like

1:30:44

15% had to have it, 35%,

1:30:49

well, they didn't know

1:30:51

one way or the other and 50% would never buy

1:30:54

it. Like never buy that truck, it looked horrible. And

1:30:56

they said, they went to the CEO and said, well, I guess

1:30:58

we're not gonna do it. He goes, well, we're absolutely gonna do

1:31:01

it. 15% have to have it in our

1:31:03

market size is seven. Like

1:31:05

if we can double our market on that

1:31:07

vertical. And so the thing is you pay attention to what

1:31:10

those vertical markets are. And I think

1:31:13

that Apple is a very powerful vertical

1:31:16

market that someone's

1:31:18

gonna, and again, they're holding out, but

1:31:20

as soon as the cracks start to happen, I think it'll

1:31:22

be very hard for them to keep Apple out. Hey,

1:31:25

Pat Patrick De La Hante in

1:31:27

our club to discord, he

1:31:30

works for us, but he's also a smart guy.

1:31:32

I'm possibly owns a poll star says poll star

1:31:34

is planning to add Android auto to poll star

1:31:36

two. It's just not there yet. So it's coming.

1:31:40

Pat will listen to you Friday nights on

1:31:42

what is it? KCSN, what is the station again?

1:31:46

I'm at Long Beach state, but the

1:31:48

easiest way to get there is

1:31:50

electrical dash or hyphen radio.com. Electrical

1:31:52

dash radio.com. Nice.

1:31:56

Don't forget if you go there, pick eight, do

1:31:58

the HD three. They've got a little drop

1:32:01

down on Long Beach State's page. If you don't

1:32:03

do that, you'll get a hip hop jukebox. I

1:32:08

want the DJ to choose Dengue fever

1:32:10

for me. Yeah,

1:32:13

so here, Dengue fever, you will

1:32:15

hear tangerine green. I like tangerine

1:32:17

green. Oh, that's great. Oh, and

1:32:19

the Gogos, those are both great.

1:32:21

That's a really, that's a really

1:32:23

eclectic mix. Yeah. I'm

1:32:25

100% behind it. That's the

1:32:28

other two great bands. Here is

1:32:30

the webpage, Electric Dash Radio, Eclectic

1:32:32

Music. Ventures Play, Telstar, you might

1:32:34

hear that too. Thank you, Leo,

1:32:37

for putting that up. Yeah. Hey,

1:32:39

Pat, pleasure to talk to you. Have a great- I

1:32:42

am a subscriber to Twitch. A

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member of the club, you're in

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the club. You're in the club. It

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was on Jeopardy the other night. They were

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talking about a 50 Cent song, and

1:32:54

they said, what's the name of the song? It said, Da

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Club, and you didn't get it right because

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it was in the club. So get it right. You're

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in the club, or you can call it the club.

1:33:03

Thank you, Pat. Take care. Thanks,

1:33:05

Pat. If you're not in the club, let me explain

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what you're missing. So we've started

1:33:10

to see this across the board.

1:33:12

It's not just our podcasts and

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our network, but in general podcasts

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and podcast networks and even public

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radio are seeing listenerships shrink because

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there's so many choices. But

1:33:24

we're also seeing advertisers shy

1:33:26

away from the platform. I think

1:33:28

they're turning to people like Marquez Brownlee to

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influencers. The Joe Rogans of

1:33:32

the world aren't hurting, but it does mean

1:33:34

that we have less revenue. And

1:33:37

it's an expensive operation here, I'm

1:33:39

sorry to say, because we built this TV

1:33:41

studio and we have all

1:33:43

these staffers and so forth. We've cut back and

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we've done everything we can to bring our expenses

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down. But

1:33:52

really, there's really only one way forward, in

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my opinion, and that is you, your

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you, I texted them to you.

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Oh how exciting. For Joe, Joe

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Denge, Johnny Abola, and the Malaria

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Five. I've got a couple of them there for

1:35:08

you. Are you doing Mid-Journey again? Yeah, I figured,

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I figured while Leo's doing an ad, I'll do

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the Mid-Journey, I'll Mid-Journey this a little bit. You're

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so funny. Oh hey, this looks like a really

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good, I think I want to

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see this band. I know. Yeah, Johnny Abola

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and the Malaria Five. See,

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you know what, that is a gorgeous album cover.

1:35:25

So what I did is I, the prompt for

1:35:27

the prompt was album cover

1:35:30

for the band Johnny Abola and the Malaria

1:35:32

Five in the style of

1:35:34

David Edward Bird, who does a lot

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of psychedelic albums from

1:35:38

the 60s and 70s. And so giving it a

1:35:40

little guidance towards, I mean they're all good, I

1:35:42

mean everything, I mean there's so many that were,

1:35:45

I mean and those are like, here I'll hold on

1:35:47

let me send you another one here. The,

1:35:54

just to show you the... I think we have

1:35:56

our cover art for the show, don't we? here's

1:36:00

a whole bunch more. These are just some of

1:36:02

the examples. I mean like that's

1:36:04

incredible. Johnny Ebola and

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the malaria 5 coming soon to a theater

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near you but you might want to wear

1:36:11

a mask. I'm just saying. I'm

1:36:13

just saying. So

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Oh yeah, ask him about album covers. Mid-journey.

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these look bad. I

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would eat... I

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don't know, raisins on french fries maybe not the

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best. Raisins

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on nachos definitely out. Raisins

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on pepperoni pizza, what's with

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the raisins? Don't push it until you try it.

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Really? Have you tried that? No, I

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people in the United States will shutter at mayonnaise

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with their french fries but once you get used to mayonnaise