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hey folks welcome to junk drawer

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number ten were back again

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it's tests as corners right yes

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i saw just kind of sky they

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went and ate at a parallel universe

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for judea and that's what i'm thinking

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the first thing that went through my mind is a

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this can't be my infield monster that was

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pretty sure i hit the guy at least

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once literally or figuratively we

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, do that here in the junk drawer because it's just

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family do want to see my postcard of thing

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i have some observations that phrase tickled

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me alone is it haunted it

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was she i think so yeah and on that

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note sarah q that closing

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silence

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last show, we introduced you

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to the incomparable Mel Waters. if

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that is his real name man

1:01

who called an art bills venerated overnight

1:03

per animal radio show coast to coast

1:05

am smell am resident

1:07

washington state claimed that he

1:09

had he had pit on his lap and

1:11

he wondered if anyone could help them figure out

1:13

a good way to measure it's depp the

1:16

story was not without it's humor and

1:18

male was charming guess to be sure he

1:20

definitely had local knowledge of the area he

1:22

was calling in about and aspects

1:25

of his story that seemed very real however

1:28

there are also parts of it that seem

1:30

farfetched hard now

1:32

repeatedly as the most where he was telling the

1:34

truth and mel repeatedly promised

1:36

that he was

1:37

at first this seem like relatively

1:39

straightforward story but after

1:42

male appeared on coast to coast things

1:44

took startling turn his

1:46

land was confiscated by an unknown

1:48

branch the branch the room holy

1:50

and immediately restricted mel's access to

1:53

his own property male

1:55

detail the scope what was happening

1:57

and shared information that indicated he had

1:59

been a safely the with jail time

2:01

on trumped up charges if he didn't comply

2:04

on other hand it seemed

2:06

that he was about to be made a financial offer

2:08

that he couldn't refuse jail

2:11

or millions dollars what

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would you do it turns

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out that was only the beginning of incredible

2:17

story that just keeps getting weirder and

2:19

weirder the longer it goes on

2:22

that night will die much further

2:24

into mel's whole and frankly

2:26

we're not exactly sure what will happen

2:43

back to donahue legends i'm scott so

2:45

broke and this is forest burgess

2:48

the worst of the kind place where you walk up to

2:50

the edge of tree line feel like you're staring into

2:52

another world is filled with equal parts

2:54

wonder and danger

2:56

watkins award winning playwright and greater the

2:58

amazon prime series elder range

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join us tonight for the final part of our special series

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on mills never ending whole

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and we're back

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oh no echo the time now i'm

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over it oh okay well we are

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back folks a couple of very quick announcements

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here at the top of show first place

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when i think everyone who responded when we put out

3:29

request for list or stories we received over seventy

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as well it wasn't a bears fan of riches

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a it really was there were so many great stories

3:38

were pretty sure we're gonna be making this a more regular

3:40

feature so we were only able to i use

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about three of them for this next episode it's common ups

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but those who sent the man's we may be

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calling you the future for our patrons

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so rest assured we have them all cataloged don't

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be surprised if hear from us about your story

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even it's not our next episode and on

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that note we'd made contact with

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the first three folks will be featuring so if you haven't heard

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back from us your story is in our archives now

4:08

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we apologize if don't get back to directly

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about your submission but rest assured we've been through

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if you're if this is a first year hearing of this will

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be doing this again so if you got a crazy story just

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start of soliciting these more often

4:30

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greatly appreciated and valuable to us

4:36

so thanks once again and mom or

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other major announcement are good

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friends as breedlove over small town monsters

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has put together a big foot theme convention

4:45

told monster fast for june

4:47

third twenty twenty three at the

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doubletree by hilton in downtown canton

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ohio and guess what we're

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going and it'll be a full day

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of and with vendors artists and

4:57

guest speakers and will actually

4:59

be they're doing a live podcast

5:01

recording do i'm not sure how

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that's gonna go but i think it's and

5:05

i'm ray i don't know i had to be ohio's

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to spooky statement a oh come on

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canton as beautiful place yes i

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knew have worked various connections to it

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they make really good fudge their i've heard well

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who's not a fan of five by the way this

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is a pretty much exactly year from now there's

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plenty of time to think about it and get organized for it's

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presale tickets are available now

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at the small town monsters website and are facebook

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event page they were also be tickets at

5:29

the door it's family friendly and children under twelve

5:31

will be admitted free so i'm

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to have to live among muslims they're also

5:36

premiering a new small town monsters

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film the night before at the camp and palace

5:40

theatre tickets will be available for that

5:42

through the theaters website so check

5:44

our folks will have links and show notes

5:46

course yes and we're really looking

5:48

for this one as not only are we

5:50

gonna be there but so are our dear

5:52

friends of richard durham and gym harold

5:55

it should be blessed we do have one

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other thing to discuss a warning about tonight

5:59

show later the show going be retelling

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an anecdote the depicts animal cruelty

6:04

we do not obviously condone any kind

6:06

of cruelty to animals nor are we endorsing

6:08

it were just retelling one of mel stories

6:10

and we want to make sure you are aware this though because

6:12

of that sort of thing that might be too upset you

6:15

want skip that part of show we've

6:17

left out some the more violent details but we still wanted

6:19

to warn you it's a story somewhat akin

6:21

to what happened to the goat in first drastic park

6:24

movie if that helps at all as of

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this recording we're not exactly sure

6:28

where it's falling the show but we will have a

6:30

warning for before it begins and we one clue

6:32

start and end point for that story in the show notes

6:34

and description for tonight show because

6:36

while time we post that we will know where it's falling

6:38

so if you're looking for the specific time it appears

6:40

consult the show description or knows

6:43

before you continue tonight yes and

6:45

this story is a somewhat infamous component

6:47

of legend mill water so we elected

6:49

to included tonight it's important to

6:51

the finale let's say yes and there will

6:53

be another warning shortly before that section begins

6:56

are finally i want to give a very quick shout out

6:58

to front of show bill richardson to tonight

7:00

our bill hang in there we hope that you get

7:02

well soon sir yes bill were

7:04

thinking about your sir okay let's

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dive back animals oh

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ah now where

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were we were when we left our

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hero we left them in alley and a not near

7:16

not such great shape or are we didn't

7:19

some shadowy authority

7:21

figures let's say could be government

7:23

could be military libby to say

7:26

mellas speculating that it may

7:28

not be regular government

7:30

folks smear he doesn't know

7:32

well it's big mystery make it also i'll be made

7:34

up a six is good

7:36

heart of the story like said it you you leave

7:39

room for doubt you don't box

7:41

herself in or pinch yourself into

7:43

a corner with this kind stuff right

7:45

so we're mel was left off by

7:48

someone some shadowy

7:50

entity with some means if

7:52

going to go with story in

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a very cd and dangerous

7:58

several to go alley somewhere in

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one of the rough parts town the

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and he doesn't know what happened

8:05

all we know is that he wakes

8:07

up mostly because let's say some

8:09

of the habits of that alley were

8:11

trying to rouse him to get him to sing some

8:13

willie nelson songs because as male

8:16

describe themselves as yeah i with lot like

8:18

willie nelson so we can imagine or

8:20

the longer a ponytail and

8:23

guess looking enough like him that

8:25

in own course they're they're teasing them oh sure

8:27

but the room for they were rousing would finally he he's

8:29

very groggy wakes up and he realizes

8:32

i don't know where i am and he tries to

8:34

get bearings he looks up and down the alley

8:37

the and he's in a bit a state

8:40

so this is what happened as a recap of course we're all

8:42

used recaps if you're watching any case streaming

8:44

show every show has when because there's a lot

8:46

going on and there's no less going

8:48

on here this could be a pretty good

8:50

streaming series i for yeah a good

8:52

absolutely a citizen smell had

8:54

accepted the offer from a government to leave town

8:56

as art said that yeah the arctic money

8:58

and run good advice and he was

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told to as instructions leave

9:02

his car and weight of rest up outside

9:05

the ten of ellensburg i guess

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off of i ninety which runs a south

9:09

of the city limits it seems then he

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was taken to the airport and then

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to san francisco and

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then taken to australia

9:17

that was gonna dream that he be into

9:19

that he would like to take as

9:22

an offer like that fine with him he

9:24

loves wombats he's really into animal

9:26

rescue especially wombats and research

9:28

but also herbs and plants

9:31

yes indigenous herbs plants for

9:33

medicinal purposes those are his

9:35

interests and of game that's going to take him anywhere

9:37

where you just way out of scene with

9:39

the picture want to stay out that's fine shimmy

9:42

, across the globe and that's where

9:44

he chose they agreed to so they

9:47

arranged so he could bring his two dogs with

9:49

and some of the indigenous

9:51

plants and as he says if you know anything about

9:53

traveling to australia or really any island

9:56

why the same way they're not

9:58

too keen on just popping up

10:00

with you or your pets and your plants

10:02

yeah they had be very careful

10:04

about that australia's no different

10:06

so he said well again if you go with story

10:09

that they

10:10

waved a mom through fine just

10:12

take your dogs take your plants it's

10:14

all set up and said yeah i was all set up

10:17

the payments were coming through those

10:19

were showing up in his bank account they

10:21

were delivering as promised just an important

10:23

note here i think we all know

10:25

that super super famous case

10:27

between johnny depp an amber

10:30

heard that was

10:32

not to recently in news when

10:34

their dogs went to australia and two thousand

10:36

and fifteen in australia threatened to

10:38

have them put down right sabbath

10:40

ya thought i was can talk about a different taste test

10:42

them but yeah oh that's how you really are

10:44

about the dogs come on over there and why

10:47

same way i know because i've traveled of wine i wanted to

10:49

take my dog and i i i can't remember how long

10:51

the quarantine was i think was at least thirty days

10:53

might been longer anyway folks that's

10:55

the arrangement and guess what as he says

10:58

yeah of course you can imagine there's complex

11:00

paperwork involved but he said

11:02

it was already set up they can

11:04

make that happen if they want to and

11:06

just as as aside if you don't

11:08

believe that people who are deemed

11:10

important in our society aren't treated

11:12

little bit better well i was working

11:14

on a automotive dealer

11:17

show where the international president

11:19

of a major japanese

11:21

automotive brand was gonna give

11:23

speech

11:25

and then they had another event to go to

11:27

in germany like the next day

11:30

and right after the speech they were escorted

11:32

directly to the airport didn't have

11:34

to go through customs got nothing check gotta

11:37

energy sector whatever they take and went straight

11:40

to their destination though

11:42

when year that important any have people

11:44

clearing away for you those things can

11:46

happen yeah except on

11:48

nine eleven when

11:50

no one was getting anywhere including

11:53

that i guess that was actually daily show

11:56

was my nine eleven story eleven

11:58

he was not getting anywhere directly no

12:00

flights at all out of vegas so

12:03

the mills point of view it's like well everything's

12:05

all set up there was piece of cake

12:07

there of course was some cooperation on the

12:09

part of the australian government but as far as

12:11

he knew well the money's there the flights

12:14

there they they want me out of way that's fine

12:16

do your thing i'm gonna go do mine

12:19

now so far so good right

12:22

well completely

12:24

for reasons that aren't entirely clear

12:26

based on interviews he does decide

12:29

to come back to united states

12:31

he says well he misses his family he

12:33

wanted to get back but ,

12:35

were other more complex things going on i

12:37

think with his finances and the land

12:39

and his ex wife

12:41

who he had reportedly amicable relationship

12:44

with but seem fact technically

12:46

was the owner of the land that the

12:48

whole was on the ads and he was apparently leasing

12:50

it but there may be something going on with his

12:52

finances he wanted to come back to united states

12:54

he met his family family

12:57

other folks suppose and so he

12:59

came back to the u s and he had informed

13:01

art that he was ready to come back on the show had been gone

13:03

couple years and he thought be fun to come back

13:05

on show this point the story the original story

13:07

had really blown up and if you believe the

13:09

set up here be us government

13:11

was willing to give mel the safely

13:14

three million dollars year for use of property

13:16

and yeah to sign an end the a the nondisclosure

13:19

the for certain aspects

13:21

of and and he does tell ours like well i can

13:23

only disclose as much as i can but

13:25

there's also lot i don't know about

13:27

what they're doing on the property he did right took off

13:30

and there's lot there's mysteries if he

13:32

set us up here for

13:34

big leg poll then he's

13:36

seeding it just right because

13:38

he doesn't say i saw anything weird

13:41

he just as well

13:42

yeah but dogs wouldn't go near it as you

13:44

might recall birds apparently

13:46

wouldn't sit on but i don't know about any other

13:48

weird stuff said i didn't see any black

13:51

be medicine skinny zombie dogs

13:54

he's , saying that's what people have told

13:56

him that's how we sing it up and

13:58

all can say like well the only thing

14:00

i was i notice it was weird isn't it

14:02

never filled up an idol thing

14:04

could reach the bottom now he also admits

14:07

yeah maybe the weight of the line itself

14:10

which he calculated it out about seventeen

14:13

eighteen pounds at eighty thousand

14:16

feed of line about fifteen point

14:18

one miles of live

14:20

maybe that was enough to make the

14:22

tension on the mono filaments

14:24

seem like it's not hitting bottom he didn't know

14:26

he just knew how much line he put it now

14:29

another misconception is that that

14:31

doesn't mean it's eighty thousand feet deep he

14:33

just says that's how much line i put it

14:35

right and he's very careful to say

14:38

what he doesn't know about

14:39

it starts off like this is what kills me about

14:41

the story it starts off like okay

14:43

to cut a weird maybe he's just misinterpreting

14:46

like like we said maybe she's spooled

14:48

up in on big route

14:51

down below and assist the lines heavy enough

14:53

that it just seemed like a bottomless and maybe

14:55

all that trash and junk that people through

14:57

and wasn't much as people thought

14:59

it didn't occur to me that if mills whole isn't

15:01

exactly three if

15:04

it's got some bins in it or something

15:06

right or theory see where something

15:08

might be thrown in

15:10

to it and bouncing deflect

15:12

and one by the time it's the bottom

15:15

it's not directly below the entrance

15:18

maybe the sound wouldn't carry backup maybe

15:20

it falls into a larger caborn you know

15:22

we know that of whom what little i know about

15:25

oil and gas markets and underwater

15:27

for and lakes and whatever there could be

15:29

huge cave that it falls into

15:31

right that's filled with liquid or

15:34

have some guy yeah mean maybe they sound

15:36

wouldn't carry back up but it's plausible i'll

15:38

leave plausible lot of room for

15:40

acoustic anomalies was something

15:42

is when something was when things come to

15:44

what i call extreme physics yeah

15:47

very long deep hole weird

15:49

stuff happens and maybe he just didn't hear it

15:51

or didn't seem like a dead end

15:53

if it had bend to it maybe that fits

15:55

in with the lava tube theory right

15:58

right oh because who knows but he's very care

16:00

the say what does it now he's essentially

16:02

saying he's looking for answers now it

16:04

seems if you go along with no story

16:07

that the there is something to

16:09

the value added bells million

16:11

dollar whole in that now the government is

16:14

really interested miss and

16:16

to art dolls point you can

16:18

take the money and run and continue with

16:21

working where the herbs and mail says

16:23

he thinks that maybe the herbs was working with

16:25

locally their benefited possibly

16:28

by being grown near the whole now

16:31

keep us a mike his work a land he's land

16:33

digging up dirt he's drawing some plants that

16:35

are non native don't have invasive species

16:37

they're just non native to native

16:39

central washington he's having

16:42

some success and he

16:44

is also breaking down the plant

16:46

so he's got trailer there were he's working

16:48

with these herbs but he's gonna have leave all that

16:51

but he can continue all this

16:53

in australia and have some decent money

16:55

to work with and it it sounds good

16:57

to be true yeah the three million dollars

16:59

a year that folks that's quarter million dollars

17:01

month two hundred fifty thousand dollars month

17:03

that he was making in theory

17:06

from leasing the land that really

17:09

that his ex wife found leasing the land

17:11

to this military organization or whoever

17:13

it was during this time he was gone

17:16

around two years as best we can tell

17:18

which is six million dollars

17:20

at that point that he's taking to australia

17:23

yeah of course can and he

17:25

, most of that money rescuing wombats

17:27

which was a big concern at this time

17:29

i are actually member of being in the news when

17:31

was younger and guess he built

17:33

a large facility or bad you know

17:35

contributed lot to savings

17:38

wombats yeah but at this point

17:40

for reasons that will try to elucidate

17:42

as much we can come forward he is coming back

17:44

to the states he's called rd said he's going come

17:46

back on the show read art does little publicity

17:49

says hey mel waters can

17:51

you believe it melts always been australia

17:53

these past couple years he's coming back is gonna

17:55

be gonna show on such and on date

17:57

on him when it was two thousand i think it was

17:59

rhinos

18:00

there to nine eleven yeah know that it was a

18:02

right before he is return

18:04

and later interviews as well as we go

18:06

along the chain events here towards

18:08

the millennium so bright may have been

18:10

close to yeah think in december

18:12

nineteen ninety nine and the i believe reading

18:14

that now so may have vog rolled

18:16

over into two thousand but the de

18:19

mello supposed to appear on the show

18:21

he was going help nephew move

18:23

from his apartment in

18:25

tacoma to the olympia area

18:28

though he's very close to nephew as

18:30

as will see and if you

18:32

can dig into that and and find him

18:34

you could make a connection to elder

18:37

his nephew but he's also protecting his identity

18:40

they read this you haul truck he gets a moved

18:42

and then mel was gonna return the moving

18:44

van then take the bus back down

18:47

to olympia that's exactly right so he has he's

18:49

moving his nephew from tacoma to olympia

18:51

but the truck has to go back to the

18:53

coma so takes the truck back

18:55

to tacoma

18:57

and now he's in tacoma with

18:59

having dropped off the rental truck and he

19:01

needs to get back to olympia where he is

19:03

living at this time and

19:05

for posted a know i'd like to support you probably

19:07

knew because you from the region this is about thirty miles

19:09

it's not long way these two towns are not very far apart

19:11

l know what should you need bus ride

19:13

yes short bus ride so there's there are buses

19:16

they're running back and forth just like buses

19:18

run in and out a new york all over the place and

19:20

so he gets on this bus and tacoma

19:23

and as it's leaving there is

19:25

fight on the bus of some kind not involving

19:27

him or you just described it as an altercation

19:29

right but it's enough of that saying that the

19:31

bus actually pulled over and

19:33

i had to look this up it pulled over at the fife

19:36

parking ride i was like and i i couldnt quite understand

19:38

that i five if i if he there his

19:40

parking ride still there to this day

19:42

he said it pulled over there and guess

19:44

they took everyone off the bus for this investigation

19:47

into what exactly happened including

19:49

him yes and this for me his where

19:51

it starts to seem like was

19:53

that stage well thats

19:55

the thats hole thing because they pulled into

19:57

the a i think its highway five twelve parking

20:00

it and , a reason

20:02

to pull over to the park and ride

20:05

ride others and altercation now something interesting

20:07

that mel says that well maybe a challenge

20:09

to verify this there's other passengers on

20:11

the bus me says okay if anybody was on a bus

20:14

or remember that you could call in in males

20:16

said that himself went on they are on

20:18

the show right so there's no reason

20:20

to pull over and a course they

20:22

get met with transit authority people

20:25

local people they scored

20:27

or buddy up bus and mail says well

20:29

we need talk to about what happened and

20:32

males is why get of the is why kerfuffle

20:34

i'm not really involved i need to get back

20:37

to tacoma yeah

20:39

in

20:39

a sudden don't worry about no problem or

20:41

we have a transit bus here you just tell us

20:43

what we need to know and will take you back to olympia

20:45

that's

20:46

the last thing he remembers

20:49

yep that's it and then

20:51

he woke up as we said

20:53

in an alley and san francisco

20:55

twelve days later twelve

20:57

days after he was supposed to appear

21:00

on coast coast with our right arches

21:02

thought flagged or something happened and didn't

21:04

write it much thought course that have the law

21:06

was certain guests and he was a little

21:08

lie to go on the fence and having fun with

21:10

the story anyways like okay well he's

21:12

he's back and mad maybe something

21:14

happened but he didn't know because there

21:16

was just no call back he thought he

21:18

got ghost did so male is coming

21:21

out of a fog of almost a

21:23

hangover of some sort but he doesn't know from what

21:25

to hearing these probably

21:27

drunk or possibly hi

21:30

folks standing around him in an alley

21:32

trying to get him to saying on the road

21:34

again and that's

21:36

what he woke up to and

21:38

he doesn't really know how he got

21:40

their a nice feeling around checking his clothes his ideas

21:43

gone his wallet his gone his

21:45

keys are gone he's wearing the same clothes same clothes

21:47

his nephew in denny's filthy

21:49

from moving rice and and tired

21:51

and then he realizes while he's trying to take

21:54

those in and ascertain the situation that

21:56

on top that he can taste blood in his mouth

21:59

in any like what that you know that everybody

22:01

knows that tastes and he realizes

22:03

that all of his back teeth

22:05

are gone as muller's wisdom

22:07

teeth everything gone and

22:10

he has no idea what's going on him said then

22:12

he then he rolled up are pulled up his sleeves

22:14

he looks down and he can see

22:16

where there was an ivy in his arm and it's

22:18

got that sticky residue from where the tape was

22:20

holding the ivy and the up ever removed

22:23

a bandaid you i'm talking about as at that

22:25

there's at little lab line of have lived

22:27

around that any can see little puncture whole

22:29

on the inside his elbow now

22:31

he's his brains pre foggy

22:33

and then he wonders

22:35

you're what just happened no identification

22:38

know wallet know keys no money nothing

22:41

the know back teeth he's

22:43

also missing his custom belt

22:45

buckle that made for himself the thing

22:47

about this is like it's all right so the teeth are gone

22:49

art bell actually makes a joke about this is like

22:52

your belt buckle he's like it taken some

22:54

buddies teeth that's one thing but second a man's belt

22:56

buckle you know and it in israel and it was

22:58

as custom one that he had made because

23:00

he calls himself and i quote an itinerant

23:03

jeweler and so he would he would make

23:05

things do some metal work he used tumble stones

23:07

and he had made this belt buckle himself

23:10

he had made like ten of a many had sold them in the

23:12

ellensburg area but this one was his

23:14

and it was gone and had no idea

23:17

where it was or why it was gone and

23:19

once figured out where he was he managed to get touch

23:21

with his nephew and niece

23:23

any got his nephew to buy him a greyhound

23:25

ticket to pick up over the bus station

23:27

and san francisco and bring him back

23:29

to olympia so

23:32

then i guess the question becomes what

23:34

happened he doesn't really know what's happened

23:36

art and him talking artist like i feel bad

23:39

i promoted show and yeah he basically

23:41

got kidnapped tortured new don't even remember

23:43

it and the here with some that

23:45

thought was interesting because at this point male

23:47

kind of intimated that he didn't

23:49

think the whole are being on coast

23:51

coast was necessarily the

23:54

reason and fact have to look back i

23:56

had some notes here about what said i

23:58

don't believe it was because of that

24:00

because there's lot of things that i

24:02

was doing then

24:05

it like out they were so

24:07

what smell saying your what else is mel

24:09

him

24:10

that could have thought this kind of scenario

24:13

if it's not related to the bottomless

24:15

pit that he was renting to government for

24:17

three million dollars year okay first of list

24:20

i cast aspersions on poor mel am

24:22

absolutely said it himself a lot of things

24:24

that i was doing so for you folks

24:26

out there listening male is always

24:28

said look it's not policemen jannik plants

24:31

these aren't psychedelic see these are totally

24:33

legal plans i'm i'm talking about that by

24:35

the way you went down i won't say anything

24:37

about that people say like oh

24:39

so we're pretty close to having a

24:41

drug lab very said own around of listen

24:44

got alcohol i have some solvents by

24:46

the know they're probably take care of it was nothing

24:48

ad it'll be it's not meth lab

24:50

of let's , but

24:54

i do need break down the of the components

24:56

of these plants and experiment with them so

24:59

that's when was doing he said yeah there's a

25:01

few chemicals but it wasn't anything dangerous

25:03

were illegal or i didn't need permit for all that

25:05

stuff and i'd you could say

25:07

like oh well there you go drug lab and

25:09

then everybody forgets about it like billion dollars

25:11

all crazy you know hippie mel willie

25:14

nelson mail and he's experimenting

25:16

with drugs and drugs and and make make

25:18

meal as these said that's an aspect

25:21

of but he always claim with what wasn't doing anything

25:23

illegal i'm just working with herbs and growing

25:25

plants

25:26

in any other stuff that you're talking about

25:28

is when he talks about other stuff it's

25:30

like there's something bigger

25:32

going on than just fascinating

25:35

herbs with third grade medicinal properties

25:37

here

25:37

now we're talking about would say physics

25:40

that the government would be interested in is

25:42

especially the military

25:44

that's part of his story here that's the baseline

25:46

is that what you're getting at is is for these other

25:48

things no i wouldn't even if anything

25:50

aren't the only thing i was get now was that

25:52

he said art i don't think it's you

25:54

art i don't think it's about me

25:56

common on the show as it could be about

25:58

something else that's all i'm okay

26:00

okay i'm not making any implications there but do

26:02

think it's important the i'm glad you recap

26:04

that weren't we do want talk about the medicine

26:07

he was working with cause i think we figured out what

26:09

that was and me and we'll get to that we get to

26:11

our conclusions here but , this point

26:13

he been australia doing that he came back

26:15

we don't even know that was what he was up to this

26:17

point he had just gotten back and

26:19

was going on talk to are pretty close

26:21

to after he came back to the u s soaps

26:23

and didn't have access to that land anymore so

26:25

even if he was interested those medicinal

26:28

herbs that kind stuff it's unlikely that

26:30

it's unlikely point he had an operation on that up

26:33

and running anyway because don't think you've been back the

26:35

us that long right now as as far

26:37

as the teeth go you start to wreck

26:39

your brain makes sense of any this and like okay

26:41

for gonna put this part the story here

26:43

what's the importance the tv even

26:45

they were talking about of fun x

26:47

files a lot of fans out there will never this one

26:49

but i would involve the

26:52

the first formation of lone gunman

26:54

yeah the trio there and they run into

26:56

an agent who is she's claiming that

26:58

she's on the run their their track her down

27:00

there not sure what to believe in

27:03

fact add to guys think she's government

27:05

plant out attract them the guy

27:07

who was the former f c c agent

27:10

is this is the one who is

27:12

willing to give her the benefit the down courses little

27:14

romantic tension there but they don't believe

27:17

or she comes back out the bathroom having pulled

27:19

whatever mahler's and there's an antenna in it

27:21

right that reminds me of what yeah people

27:23

with implants it's like and explain

27:25

terry love laces x rays

27:27

that he can show you yeah

27:30

that there's something weird and there with no

27:32

incision marks and then it's done

27:35

the

27:35

got knows x ray so it's

27:37

one of those head scratchers but who knows i thought

27:39

maybe there were something in the minerals in

27:41

his molar is that was wanted

27:44

by some authority to study later

27:47

i think it's just interrogation torture

27:49

and doesn't remember the aisles oh

27:51

yeah so now you're talking moselle from

27:53

marathon man yeah i well

27:55

he is what it seems like to me they picked up

27:57

i mean get the ib and him they are numbing

27:59

him maybe it's true sir i'm in their

28:01

you're having and questions about what he did

28:03

nostril he or whatever else it was

28:05

in australia we don't know i mean that's

28:07

the other thing is pretty convenient to be halfway

28:10

around the planet saving wombats

28:12

me talk about some hard to confirm and

28:14

then you know and in in in a future what going

28:16

years that the wombat sanctuary was

28:18

torn down and disbanded so it's like

28:20

even harder to find out there's a

28:22

lot of convenience to those fact

28:24

right away so i'm not making my judgment

28:26

now i'm just looking at the big picture here

28:28

but to me if you believe any this it all

28:30

and the t throughout i don't think the

28:32

teeth necessarily have any cash value

28:34

to me you take somebody teeth out because you're

28:36

messing with them and you want to know the answer to the

28:38

questions that you're asking that we may

28:40

never know but that yeah you did make

28:42

me think of a dustin hoffman yeah

28:45

yeah married young man that season slave

28:47

we'd save something bad has happened

28:49

to mail now art was believing

28:52

that he was actually in australia

28:54

this is a referendum forces not yes is

28:56

not a very hard to say that when

28:58

he that he was communicating with him from

29:00

australia was younger that he was in australia

29:03

during the communication that he was having with right

29:05

and then he's coming back and these doesn't show

29:07

up so that's where we're at now but here's something else

29:09

that was more important there's another thing

29:11

that was stolen off of mail

29:13

that is possibly much more

29:17

mind , and important and that

29:19

was his belt buckle that's what your things like

29:21

what who cares about this belt buckle and

29:23

there's nothing going on here to and that mel found out

29:25

when he got back that

29:27

some legal action had been taken against

29:29

him relating to the property

29:32

that

29:33

graded describing these scenarios which in

29:35

way makes me believe in more just because

29:37

it's not super buttoned up the thing that myers

29:39

do is they bring lots

29:41

and lots of extra intense details

29:43

because they're trying to convince themselves of the lie

29:45

they're sharing and lot times with mel

29:48

go back to listen to it over and over and

29:50

you still can't quite follow it and it's

29:52

not because sounds like he says fairly making

29:54

it up it's because it's complicated reason

29:56

a complicated story and he's just

29:58

trying to relay at and he in some

30:00

ways is not great at imparting

30:03

information but one of the things that he says

30:05

is that someone came along and

30:07

looked at the property his wife whatever admit it

30:09

had no one had one had system

30:12

and paved roads and all these things that

30:14

were not permitted or a loud and was not supposed to

30:16

have any improvements on it and as result

30:18

they were able to nullify his arrangement

30:20

with his ex wife regarding the properties

30:22

and then essentially it was no longer his which would

30:24

also means that the quarter million dollar

30:26

month rent would no longer be his either

30:28

abra some of that he was paying apparently

30:30

twenty five thousand man

30:33

who his ex who he said he he described

30:35

that as an amicable relationship us

30:37

we we're still friends he said we go something to

30:39

be factor we couldn't pull off a marriage but we were friends

30:42

that's part the divorce settlement it's clear

30:44

scrub land away i don't have she had

30:46

any use yeah didn't have lot of value yeah

30:48

didn't really want to work the land

30:51

said well that's you know you like doing that stuff

30:53

nuggets you trailers up there and he wasn't violating

30:55

any lease agreements before that as

30:57

he says pretty worthless land worthless

31:00

land why said well i'll give you that was part

31:02

the settlement here and if you believe

31:04

the character of mel as character

31:07

he's very generous

31:08

the selfless or he loved animals

31:11

he's in the field i'm trying to help

31:13

people with herbal medicines the

31:16

and that his nature the

31:17

one i were discussing as beforehand like what's

31:19

purpose of that to taken

31:21

away from because i don't think was the wife don't think

31:23

she cared what was happening with property

31:25

she's getting twenty five grand month now

31:28

maybe she changed my when that stopped but i think

31:30

here is that what came back in

31:33

there is a settlement against him

31:35

the to give up lan it's convenient way

31:37

to not have to pay him anymore for

31:39

whoever is paying him when i didn't go even one

31:41

hour well you violated least there's septic

31:44

systems paved roads here

31:46

there's other outbuilding you're not supposed to have on there

31:48

and is like why didn't do any of that says a snow

31:51

we did it and that we're also going blame you

31:53

for it and take the land away from you and have to

31:55

stop and then we can stop paying you

31:57

a lot of money so if

31:59

you go with the store

32:00

that's a may be convenient work

32:02

around to end up giving male

32:04

nothing as male jokes with art

32:07

it's a whole but i got the shaft

32:09

in the end see even males making jokes about

32:11

own all but he also

32:13

said that she kind of disappeared to at

32:15

this point well that's another there's little bit

32:17

you know aren't says is it possible that she's the one

32:19

making the deal now because here's my question fit

32:21

matter how amicable they were if it was

32:23

really set up this way it's and he was getting two

32:25

hundred and fifty thousand month he's only giving

32:28

her then percent of that twenty

32:30

five thousand rights it's her

32:32

land technically if it was my land

32:34

and i was getting ten percent money on and i

32:36

might take some steps to i'm just saying soaks

32:39

or maybe she didn't know all

32:41

that stuff was happening did he call her and say hey

32:43

you know the government came the

32:45

unarmed they said you're gonna give me a you

32:47

know what nevermind i'm just gets you please let taught

32:50

you later so you know she goes to australia

32:52

keys get the quarter million he said and twenty five

32:54

thousand her he'd gone

32:57

word gets has she's like what's going on she drives by

32:59

she's like wait a minute a man

33:02

word gets out to her about the lease is

33:04

collecting somehow or maybe the people

33:06

the nefarious people that segment over

33:08

are driving them apart from each other divide and conquer

33:11

maybe they go to her and say yeah well you know

33:13

we said melt australia where panem quarter million

33:15

a month way know would you take less because

33:17

he shouldn't have put these roads here ah

33:20

rough look out for lot of when they could played

33:22

out that's ah that's true and netted i'm one who was in

33:24

permit more for five years with the city was

33:26

and i remember eigenvalue with

33:28

you yes yes the if you as you know

33:30

from people and human behavior

33:33

she doesn't want to start

33:35

growing anything on the land herself has

33:37

no interest no land that's part of summer

33:39

so i'm not sure if that was violated he reverts

33:42

to her again right after

33:44

male gives it up right so you want get

33:46

real conspiratorial about it it

33:49

might be a good way to make

33:51

her go away as well in some other

33:53

fashion of they're willing to disappear

33:56

mel for twelve days and

33:58

take his teeth and his his belt

34:00

colin everything else if

34:02

you're gonna do all that why you paying him in first

34:04

place i mean you cinema australia

34:06

right forking over three million

34:08

dollars year of taxpayers'

34:10

money or whoever is above black project

34:12

budget bright fry don't

34:15

worry it'll teensy bit more difficult

34:17

than disappearing somebody for

34:19

real especially when have bottomless

34:21

pit your disposal i'm just saying there's two things

34:23

about that one day

34:25

don't care how much they spend as up their money

34:27

it's your money it's my money right secondly

34:30

this was already made public as

34:33

art will say it once you make it public

34:35

it's just like well if he disappears

34:37

a because people are already going to go search

34:39

this out as soon as that broadcast happened

34:41

that's what they did and suddenly

34:44

a something nefarious happens

34:46

people started asking questions and yeah

34:48

you can just choose to not answer that as a

34:50

a government agency or

34:52

corporation winner would have you been

34:55

here it's just like pay him a certain

34:57

amount but , awhile were

34:59

done it's not going to in perpetuity right so

35:02

you pay them a little bit of money who knows

35:04

what happened to wife all melville say

35:06

is that she became impossible to find

35:08

yeah now here's somebody you know he will say

35:10

about himself it's like yeah i'm not an easy guy to find

35:12

yet people who are looking for me found me

35:15

because art asked him it's like will do you do feel

35:17

like people are following you or do you feel endangering

35:20

like now know but you know

35:22

i've tried my best to remain hidden

35:25

and yet these folks still found me so

35:27

it's not exactly directly tracking but they

35:29

tracking but where he is

35:31

in mel's wife of course everyone's

35:34

got family usually you know currently

35:36

his wife worked central washington university

35:39

in the geology department but

35:41

she just kind of disappeared herself

35:43

or at least he can't find her

35:46

and as you said earlier it was mostly an

35:48

amicable split like they were still on the

35:50

talking terms or whatever but she just gonna

35:52

goes away so one thing thing mentioned

35:54

before we move on is that melts

35:57

as curious thing here and that one

35:59

month after this the happen

36:01

the heaven's gate incident with

36:03

marshall applewhite happened if

36:05

people want to remember that so some weird

36:07

connection that he doesn't go into this be said

36:10

maybe there's connection there something

36:13

weirdly our planet weird people

36:16

being attracted to anomalies

36:18

like this yeah i thought that was a

36:20

stir i feel like everybody was stretching on that

36:22

one on the hell no skeeters

36:24

mentioning is like look anything at your you

36:26

were talking about that war some of your way

36:28

back had this happen and nineteen

36:31

ninety seven kind while i was watching valley

36:33

the see as dolly being clowns les

36:35

mis les announced it on the same day

36:37

that male called in

36:39

the right through hopes that thing girl that was

36:41

too much of a tangent and who cares about

36:43

whatever and eighty ninety seven we

36:45

found out later and you'll be surprised that

36:47

sheep figure prominently figure

36:50

prominently story later on yes they do

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37:12

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37:14

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38:56

of my teeth but a second x ray pointed that

38:58

just being a glitch in the first image dang

39:01

mad what would you mean like a best for your glitch well

39:03

anyway that that's awesome so not

39:05

only no cavities but gums real

39:07

good that stuff to yeah and and you know

39:09

what honestly forced i gotta think it has be

39:11

because a you and i both yeah

39:13

i've been using a quip electric toothbrush

39:16

for few years now just

39:18

like seven million other folks out

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there it's time sonic vibrations

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use thirty second pulses to let know when to move

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to different area my mouth so i'm getting

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39:28

every single time brush my teeth i'm

39:31

also one of those folks that actually likes

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tiny little guitar a good one sauce

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pot

40:00

it come premier would herb hole mel collaborate

40:02

sharing like that every plane his one

40:04

have are as since used supposedly plastic

40:07

basque time that requires teeth

40:09

brushed come with a motor used revoked over

40:11

that all of us riding and revoked

40:13

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41:37

now another thing that we shouldn't we were gonna talk

41:39

about and we should do it right now is

41:42

you'll see a lot comments that people make well

41:45

it's super convenient and is all

41:47

baloney because he never gave out

41:49

exact address are the coordinates of the

41:51

whole and so he

41:53

should have done that will think about folks

41:55

if you had done that affect you know it's

41:57

call on the coast to coast right now and tell people

41:59

you something pretty anomalous in your backyard

42:02

and and give the address yeah and you

42:04

see what happens just give it to see

42:06

what happens in does anybody show up that you

42:08

don't want back in your backyard broken around

42:10

yes i know that all part of this

42:12

mythologies if want yeah

42:15

he can't give out the exact address but

42:17

also is protected because it makes sense

42:19

you don't wanna give coordinates out to

42:21

the largest overnight radio audience

42:24

in the us at least

42:26

in have a bunch of people who are really keen

42:28

on the skin legend tripping kind stuff show

42:31

up on your property uninvited

42:33

that's right you don't wanna do that but he will

42:35

were talking about a some possible

42:37

satellite pictures of his property but this point

42:40

yes he did not give out the coordinates

42:42

where the address just very

42:44

generally saying it's about

42:46

nine miles

42:48

west of ellensburg

42:50

now this what we want say folks

42:53

do not go there we do not

42:55

condone trying find this place

42:57

or traveling in the region or at

42:59

any time trespassing on private

43:02

property that going to be careful on government

43:04

property about what you do always

43:06

check your local regulations the

43:08

rules and again we did not send you their

43:10

so this those well

43:12

that's what people do they want to go see this place

43:14

for themselves worthy want go try and find

43:16

it

43:17

in just think if you're traipsing around

43:19

out there and this is an actual whole associate

43:22

in van and mineshaft that's dangerous

43:24

yeah it can be life ending a traipsing

43:26

around his own in unfamiliar territory

43:28

and if you don't believe it just take look at the folks

43:30

that died looking for a forest fins

43:32

treasure which was more than housewife

43:35

think that point so it's dangerous

43:37

so on the there's always always some of

43:39

these appearances to were male mentions the

43:41

plant that is the on with but he'll never mentioned by name

43:43

not really sure that's fear of a patent

43:45

thing or whatever we do think we know

43:47

what that is we going to talk about it later but

43:49

he mentions how it helped with the influence

43:52

of spanish flu and then exit been

43:54

bigger help had been more respected

43:56

so that is the primary herb

43:58

that we think he is dealing that is

44:00

indigenous i believed her northern nevada

44:03

but also he got able to transplant to washington

44:06

another thing about his latest appearances we get

44:08

sense of his age he mentions in this appearance

44:10

that was sixty eight years older will be turning sixty

44:12

eight in june that would mean that

44:14

male was born in nineteen thirty

44:16

four if he's telling the truth here

44:18

in another thing and

44:20

thing think we may evolution to the some part one is

44:22

the reference to that done that he found on

44:24

the property it was it a a thirty

44:27

eight a german down that he found

44:29

walther yes walther p

44:31

thirty eight that found near our

44:33

in the area of the whole and one of the things says

44:35

as if he is recipes planting he's turning lot

44:37

of dirt over he would collect all kinds

44:39

of things the land there

44:41

and that was one of the things that he collected

44:44

and he couldn't really understand why this world

44:46

war two era gone would be

44:48

there are at least that's what he thought it was

44:50

in i don't know lot about guns so with the p thirty

44:52

eight was not present world war two don't talk to

44:54

me about it to vote no no no

44:57

, it was you are correct as well as

44:59

a i it was produced by the

45:01

walther arms company to replace

45:04

the more expensive lugar accountable

45:06

will though you will though any world war two movies

45:08

your you will have seen a luger

45:10

air your settle know that from my

45:12

the call of duty as if he buys the

45:14

world war two versions is very iconic

45:16

gun so this was produced to

45:19

replace said little cheaper too mass

45:21

produce and also in the same nine

45:23

millimeter terrible

45:25

however so that's what he felt i think

45:27

also the holster now this is what's unusual

45:29

that in a male was saying you

45:32

did final lot weird stuff

45:34

on his property like little knickknacks here

45:36

and there and he have

45:38

he didn't really think much of it he just collected

45:40

apparently this gun was in working

45:42

order because he gave it gave want

45:44

to tell story of a we gave it to end

45:47

what it did that was kinda weird well

45:49

he gave it as it as the

45:51

security deposit not an apartment that he needed

45:53

to move into and apparently

45:56

the person that had it i keep that is

45:58

i'm not fully clear on this was either person or thy

46:00

son was that the talking

46:02

about the gun and he wanted to get it back

46:04

later because later found out that that

46:06

he or at least he heard story that when

46:08

this gun was fired it fired

46:11

and it worked an object in a

46:13

bullet a projectile but it didn't make

46:15

any noise when you fired yeah well

46:18

about how was that of from strange

46:20

and then let's take it one step further

46:22

if you took this gun and you put on

46:24

a table you got it near near

46:27

you would find that the radio

46:29

would pick up strange

46:31

i guess programming for a lack of a better

46:33

word music's rock music

46:36

from another time

46:38

the war reports from geographically

46:40

impossibly far away areas right

46:42

a could be a ballgame from years ago

46:45

radio programs from past music

46:47

from different areas or something

46:49

that i was too far away essentially to

46:51

be picked up by any kind of radio elizabeth

46:54

short wave it had properties

46:56

to it now this all starts to fit theme that

46:58

mills talking about with the whole and things being

47:00

near it or around it are coming

47:02

out of it's he said it has to

47:04

do with audio or sound waves

47:07

there's something about the audio

47:09

aspects yet any object around this

47:11

whole and this

47:14

one of them know people have said other objects

47:16

or i've killed a again this is under if

47:18

i could never said this and this might be part

47:20

of lord said by other people

47:22

after or connected with this is that you

47:24

could take a radio near

47:26

the whole we do the same thing would broadcast

47:29

programs from another era or

47:32

you'll be hearing from the future that's was interesting

47:35

but they would be stop that you should be picking

47:37

up on that radio but imagine

47:39

if you could are just don't gun

47:41

and mayor and suddenly was silent well

47:43

that would be very popular with military and

47:45

the criminal faction organizations

47:47

here in what's going on with that

47:50

is it paranormal anomaly in

47:52

addition to in theory being

47:54

able to put it near radios and get different stations

47:56

he actually had heard that the his

47:58

the gentleman who had gun

48:00

wave his hands around and use that control

48:02

what signals were coming yeah that's right

48:04

it's almost like a walter p thirty eight thurmond

48:07

is that you would the it would change the channel

48:10

a would you could change channels by waving a

48:12

your arms is that the some

48:14

kind of the interference are you acting

48:16

as an antenna it's all part of lore

48:19

so are in addition to this

48:21

there's that there's has he's telling another story about

48:23

if don't know if remember from part one when talked about

48:25

there was there was who had tom and dump

48:27

tires into pit the on his land

48:30

and he had said that he wanted to get back in

48:32

touch with him to because he had been

48:34

helping his son or grandson

48:36

he thought maybe who had trap he was

48:38

having issues with and one of problems he had was just

48:40

in general traction and for those of you

48:42

live out the country are out the west or whatever

48:45

you know that lot of folks at pickup truck for

48:47

put sam bags are some kind of weight in

48:49

the bed to improve traction

48:51

off road or in bad weather male

48:53

said that he gave this young man

48:56

buckets full of detritus that he

48:58

had picked up around his

49:00

property to help with this truck

49:02

having traction but he also took

49:04

some of this kind of stuff apparently with

49:06

him to australia which australia can't really

49:08

figure out why he would done that but he

49:10

said that he did in while he

49:12

was in australia in addition to

49:14

working to wombat rescue he

49:16

was involved with ministries involved the

49:18

area including the ministry

49:20

of health and one of things

49:22

that he was dealing with their where folks

49:24

that were in hospice in

49:27

some of them had advanced hiv

49:30

and he apparently took some

49:32

of these things that he found on his land

49:35

to them and some of those folks

49:37

where as he said no longer and hospice

49:40

anymore not on death's door anymore so

49:42

now male waters is implying

49:44

that things from around the whole

49:46

on his land in washington are

49:48

cheering people the

49:50

hiv not everybody just few

49:52

seem to be getting better

49:54

i mean even one is a memo i'm

49:56

amazing things i'm just saw

49:58

this is where i'm like oh

50:00

o k where we go on here so than

50:02

admit this is only the beginning and getting close

50:04

getting prison cruiser we apologize if

50:06

we've board you so far been hang

50:08

on hang on is going to get even

50:10

freak year is so aren't as like why

50:12

are so why you left why did you come back

50:14

or you had it's so good and he said well

50:16

you know did where ran out of money and i

50:18

needed come back and i came to find out all

50:20

these things happened and now his belt buckles

50:22

been stolen in he said

50:24

he was surprised come back and find out there it's bizarre

50:27

been written about drinks are named after

50:29

and it's become this cultural phenomena know

50:31

you know what else happened pretty much as

50:33

much as the same region there were

50:36

songs were composed drinks

50:39

concocted and imbibed is

50:41

db cooper yes that's right that's

50:43

right south central awash in they

50:45

love their legends and this is

50:47

a really one of them more enduring

50:49

ones

50:50

keep your ears peeled folks because

50:52

there are elements of story again

50:54

if it is fiction it's a it's got some great

50:56

saif i hear to it and that let's

50:59

, am a review here is a

51:02

harmonic device of swords were

51:04

a sound dampening or amplification

51:06

it shoots black beans it

51:08

possibly has something to do with reviving

51:11

animals that target for own and

51:13

do it it's

51:15

possibly time machine or

51:17

a vortex to another dimension

51:19

or a parallel they

51:21

say world so there's a lot going on

51:23

here d all of the above are

51:25

you surprised that it has be healing

51:28

benefits that some people get healed not

51:30

from the whole directly but plants grow near

51:32

it this any crazier

51:34

than what we've heard already well stay tuned because

51:37

you would have make that decision yourself

51:39

shortly here well a one clarification

51:41

air force i don't think it was the the implication

51:44

and it's hard to tell again because he's not

51:46

super clear communicator the

51:48

application from my notes

51:50

in what he said art was that he was taking

51:52

objects to these phone that had hiv

51:54

not the plants i don't think was madison

51:57

he didn't really say one way or the other that's as

51:59

an assumption my

52:00

because he is working with ealing earn yeah

52:02

that would make more sense frankly what

52:04

he singer to be clear is that he would collect

52:06

a lot of the debris as you said a detritus

52:09

detritus flotsam and

52:11

jetsam probably bless flotsam yeah we're jets

52:13

yes the idea though is that there's

52:15

lot of just like bits of metal polished

52:18

rocks and again these things interesting because

52:20

he liked tinkering with jewelry and like making

52:22

things was very handy he ,

52:24

polish stones a rock tumble

52:27

and make jewelry and so

52:29

he was clutching stuff but some it he just

52:31

gave to like said the son of guy of

52:33

tire again

52:34

that mills conclusion here is at everything that's

52:36

near that whole has taken on

52:38

some kind of odd property and there's

52:41

bunch of stuff that and up near the whole that shouldn't be

52:43

there

52:44

so everything that you get around

52:46

that whole a little metal ingots

52:49

screws nuts bolts all the said

52:51

debris that was found on his property his he's

52:53

called debating and digging and whatnot

52:55

may have had special properties itself so

52:57

yes you're absolutely right it could be just the objects

53:00

themselves that possess this says

53:02

the you in quality show

53:04

there and there's a point here which art

53:06

stops and asked him if he has been back to the

53:08

whole and he says no he's in end is nigh

53:10

apparently not interested in going back

53:13

so his at this point this one of

53:15

get near one of his appearances he mentions

53:17

in email address and i

53:19

thought this was interesting again this his another time

53:21

capsule thing he says that his email

53:23

address his mel waters at home

53:25

dot com h o m he dot com

53:27

i do remember when that was a proper

53:29

email address that you could get it

53:31

his now a completely different thing home dot

53:33

com robby went under along time ago

53:36

so no point in using that one but

53:38

he spells it out that means hes hes open

53:40

being contacted and hes using

53:43

, name which am still

53:46

think his either completely made up

53:48

or as pseudonym for real person theres

53:50

a lot details about him that seem

53:52

very real theres another

53:54

point theres another a interview to

53:56

when hes wrapping up shortly after he gives out that email

53:58

address where he mentions that he's very

54:00

very anxious to get hold of a hungarian

54:03

man a hungarian catholic

54:05

priest and it's

54:07

never really clear to me anyway and some folks

54:09

out there who are male aficionados maybe

54:12

you have have idea of why this

54:14

particular characters important too i

54:16

mean what other sounds like trade

54:18

craft like easy going out the radio

54:21

and saying i need to reach the hungarian

54:23

catholic priest which is a code for of okay

54:25

this means we need do dead drop in downtown

54:27

tucson tomorrow afternoon for like i don't know

54:30

what's happening there that's why

54:32

is he trying to reach this figure person why does

54:34

he need go on the coast coast to

54:36

get to him maybe there's more to

54:38

mail than we know about or

54:41

that's

54:42

exactly what he described or

54:45

it's great yarmouth yeah

54:47

his craftily expertly spawn

54:50

and i'm tania because we're still

54:52

hooked it's were still hooked to the end

54:54

and i was never more fascinated

54:57

then i am now getting back

54:59

into this when i understand more the context that

55:01

i'm older you to they did hear

55:03

about this legend years ago

55:05

and it's like more that's pretty weird but then you

55:07

don't know to believe and to you really dive

55:10

down in down it and you started

55:12

dispel some of myths which is what's

55:14

happening here happening the whole story itself

55:17

in that people are claiming stop it's like

55:19

year but you really weren't there and then

55:21

people who claim there were there were

55:23

they really are any these people real

55:25

well the

55:26

few people associate with whole are real

55:28

now we know of course like as head michelle is

55:30

a real person but why

55:32

can't we find it the

55:33

and is part this is true

55:35

or he believes it is then

55:39

what is aspects if it's true

55:42

makes this an outrageous

55:44

and mind blowing story either way

55:46

right now he's still with us he's closing

55:48

in on eighty eight years old or so

55:50

it's possible but we'll see

55:52

anyway please continue yes so

55:54

in in these continued appearances continued goes

55:56

on about how much money he

55:58

had spent in australia rescuing

56:01

wombats me which would have

56:03

been millions of dollars that he spent

56:05

on that and then at some point for some

56:07

reason that's not entirely clear

56:09

his facility was shut down and

56:11

all of his people that i guess worked for

56:13

him were sent home the of they were sent

56:16

emails and everything was dismantled

56:18

yep severance checks and they

56:20

were sent on their way now he

56:22

doesn't mind meld still had a way to contact

56:25

these folks yeah they

56:27

were experts and melville said first

56:29

of all like i look i'm not an expert any this

56:31

amount of at marion i'm not biologist

56:33

he's a bit of a i guess an auto

56:36

died act when it comes to learning

56:38

about herbs and and plant use

56:40

and , has

56:43

money now to further research so

56:45

that his passion is putting it into the animal

56:47

research so he if you believe

56:49

him is that the is that

56:51

a kind heart and is not

56:53

really about money though

56:56

everything is telling closed

56:58

up shop australia he's done with that

57:00

comes back with nothing

57:03

to his name really and then

57:05

what

57:06

well he's now decided this is a yet

57:08

another appearance with art on

57:10

or coast to coast he is come

57:12

back on to explain to our that he wanted to

57:14

get to bottom of the belt buckle situation

57:16

so he goes back to ellensburg

57:18

where he had sold the other belt buckles he had

57:20

made two jewelry stores in the area

57:23

and while he was there was there guy who

57:25

had one his buckles and said are you know

57:27

what i want take look at this he's trying to figure out

57:29

why they would have taken my belt

57:31

buckle so he goes over to the guys like

57:33

our you know i made this can i take look

57:35

at it nice insurers so they take it off and he takes

57:38

a look at it and he realizes that has these three

57:40

coins affixed to it in the metal works

57:42

there was a coin with winston churchill

57:44

on at another one was stalin and one

57:47

with franklin roosevelt that was

57:49

die the out so what's really interesting

57:51

about this is that the dime was

57:54

mentored in the year nineteen forty

57:56

three there was no

57:58

nineteen forty three roosevelt

58:01

time because the dime was made after

58:03

roosevelt died and he died in nineteen

58:05

forty six on

58:08

top of that it was

58:10

mentored with the letter

58:12

be on it and as

58:14

far as we all know there is

58:16

no meant and united states where

58:18

the be there's a d for denver right

58:21

as for san francisco yeah and maybe

58:23

p philadelphia's as i think yeah yeah

58:25

believe your ip for philadelphia and

58:27

the motif that mel says was

58:29

going into into the design was kind of celebrate

58:32

the also conference right right with

58:34

, turtle and stall and

58:36

and that's what he was going for artistically

58:39

and that's why use those coins

58:41

and he decided them into facets

58:44

on his belt and also there is silver

58:46

fork that was bad and fashioned and departed

58:48

as buckle and he just could never figure

58:50

out like okay their coins in there but like

58:52

if he hurt if your summers

58:55

men in black tights or cigarette smoking

58:57

man why the heck new taken my mind

58:59

felt that hold my pants up what's the point

59:01

that well he thinks back to where

59:03

back to these times from and what he remembers

59:06

is that he found them in a

59:08

little read chinese lucky money

59:10

envelope on the land near

59:12

the whole and there were ten of them in

59:14

their keep us in my we mention that part one

59:16

so i believe that was talked

59:18

about her he mentioned that to art a

59:20

few years ago now right when

59:23

was a really telling the story about all the weird

59:25

stuff he found on his property like an a in

59:27

red chinese lucky envelope that chinese

59:29

folks will give to each other for good

59:31

luck on new years and

59:33

, pretty common thing you'll see them here in l a

59:35

and they're they're actually fun to have to buy

59:37

the envelopes to put anything you want them that's

59:40

right but found one on his property and had

59:42

ten times in it's right at gave

59:44

some of them away as a gift any to the rest

59:46

made him into these belt buckles one of

59:48

which was probably his own that was taken from

59:50

him so now that it began this

59:52

guy are looking at this one guys like well i should get

59:54

this checked out because this is weird so

59:57

he decides that he's going to going see a

59:59

go see after an expert and ascertain

1:00:02

what the deal is with the coin the

1:00:04

coin collector is completely slack

1:00:06

jawed keys just flummoxed

1:00:09

beyond belief cannot figure out what

1:00:11

is dime is with year nineteen forty

1:00:13

three and roosevelt

1:00:15

and then be that

1:00:18

he had no idea what it's for what i

1:00:20

will tell you without knowing any backstory

1:00:22

this coin collector because said yes

1:00:24

a for brief period time i collected stamps

1:00:27

on , yeah nice i saw that

1:00:29

book somewhere but what i learned about

1:00:31

stand to six was there's that three cent

1:00:34

stamp with the upside down an airplane

1:00:36

yeah like half million dollars now eat

1:00:38

mighty will the most expensive or

1:00:41

valuable stamps out there ever

1:00:43

and reason is because the plane is that must be

1:00:45

upside down at with that was the is the

1:00:47

wright brothers a it's looks like a wright flyer

1:00:50

i believe yeah anything with est on

1:00:52

it that's mass produced especially with

1:00:54

coins or stamps or anything

1:00:56

that's official like that is now

1:00:58

that value has gone way up if you much

1:01:00

antiques roadshow it's like yes there's

1:01:02

ten million of this item you have as

1:01:04

you got out your closet or from a a thrift

1:01:06

shops set worth anything this

1:01:08

thing here that she got there's only four

1:01:10

left the world that's why it's super

1:01:13

valuable so in this case this

1:01:15

like that like oh is that a miss minting

1:01:17

of this complete like wow that is going to be

1:01:20

very

1:01:20

rare right off the bat without eating paranormal

1:01:22

happening that dime is now where something

1:01:25

yeah so these were special dimes that he

1:01:27

just collected and

1:01:29

he never noticed before

1:01:30

the anomaly i'll never really thought about

1:01:32

it until this moment so the guy who has

1:01:34

the buckle that he had already bought obviously

1:01:37

it's his dime now takes it to the coin

1:01:39

got a coin guys like this is really weird

1:01:41

and like i'll tell you what i will give you

1:01:44

a lot money for this right now yeah and

1:01:46

he he makes him a very generous offer and

1:01:48

the jomon who owns a bus was like no i

1:01:50

don't want that i'm i'm gonna hang

1:01:52

onto it for now can think of as my number

1:01:55

within maybe we can talk in the future

1:01:57

and then a couple days later the

1:02:00

it was the other one of

1:02:02

males buckles is visited by us

1:02:04

treasury officials who took

1:02:06

the coin took the belt buckle the

1:02:08

get away and of course

1:02:10

he was thinking i should sold it to the coin dealer they

1:02:13

don't let anything get by them especially

1:02:15

the treasury imagine the i r s fts

1:02:17

it's i ordered a that money back it's

1:02:19

this point in the story that mel makes this amazing

1:02:21

analogy i believe is not metaphor been

1:02:23

algae where he talks about how in the middle of every

1:02:26

intersection on the road know

1:02:28

there's always little piles of nuts and bolts

1:02:30

and he's starting to think that maybe that's what

1:02:32

the land dislike around the whole right

1:02:35

because all these things picks up around

1:02:37

there

1:02:38

seem to have as you said some sort of

1:02:40

magical strange quality to them

1:02:42

some sort of factor

1:02:44

that makes them not belong

1:02:46

here in our world our world

1:02:48

not belong here imagine a crossroads

1:02:51

of sorts that we talk about at

1:02:53

intersection as bishop there's been a

1:02:55

out a few collisions there in the intersection

1:02:58

even bits of debris as springs

1:03:00

nuts and bolts little pieces of or

1:03:02

possibly aid a name play the name

1:03:04

badge my car all kind

1:03:06

connecting as they get shoved to

1:03:09

the center and never really cleaned

1:03:11

up and maybe that's what's happening here maybe

1:03:13

yeah this whole the property is a crossroads

1:03:16

from

1:03:17

several different reality shall we say because

1:03:19

here's the deal they don't really meant

1:03:21

coins after presidents and

1:03:24

so they've died

1:03:26

so here's the facts and our reality franklin

1:03:29

delano roosevelt was born january thirtieth

1:03:31

eighteen eighty two i park new york

1:03:33

and died april twelve

1:03:35

nineteen forty five at

1:03:37

age sixty three that

1:03:40

nineteen forty three though

1:03:43

that means that dime would have

1:03:45

admitted to years before he actually died

1:03:47

which is not the case at

1:03:50

least in our reality

1:03:52

or it's just ten dimes

1:03:54

all with the same

1:03:57

anomaly in manufacturing which again

1:03:59

that just makes them very valuable the telling

1:04:01

supernatural they're suggesting a that's

1:04:03

the case but is very odd would

1:04:06

just make them super valuable

1:04:08

yeah and before we move on

1:04:10

one other interesting thing to consider

1:04:12

about the dime which fits into all this

1:04:16

the course as hours

1:04:18

of interviews have gone by over

1:04:20

several years with art and

1:04:23

mail and it's

1:04:24

probably one the people he's interviewed the

1:04:27

most i think about a single

1:04:29

story that start somebody who's at and

1:04:31

author an expert anything they

1:04:33

can get to know each other in a sense

1:04:35

and all

1:04:37

along earlier in this interview segment

1:04:39

that talking about currently earlier

1:04:41

art

1:04:42

they asked smell like the of a bible

1:04:44

and he did you just swear me on

1:04:46

that bible that your tongue and or ruth

1:04:49

is the kind of gone back or is like okay

1:04:51

got one right here yes i swear

1:04:53

this is actually , truth

1:04:56

as much as i know and the they

1:04:58

make a joke and are says can you swear that's the

1:05:00

whole truth he says water about the whole truth

1:05:02

yeah it's the absolute truth or

1:05:04

get it yeah no truth so

1:05:07

they have they about that it's all very fun

1:05:09

but he's arts invested in this

1:05:11

it's a it's an ongoing saga and all

1:05:13

along he sang a glut key just give me

1:05:15

a photo can you give us a photo can

1:05:17

give us anything right maybe

1:05:19

a better location of photo something

1:05:22

anything any said the what about the dime

1:05:24

used to have a dime their knee and believe he did

1:05:27

have one this position at that point is i

1:05:29

can you take a picture of the die right now here's

1:05:31

the interesting and eight and yes it's convenient

1:05:34

aspect about the dime

1:05:36

mel claimed it is such smell

1:05:38

a cording to the other people that have

1:05:40

the other dimes and i think also

1:05:42

the walther p thirty eight they claimed

1:05:45

that we few set dime

1:05:47

on a table and i believe was it gets further

1:05:49

than ten feet away from

1:05:51

this die you couldn't see

1:05:53

it anymore

1:05:55

the a couple interesting things about that

1:05:57

again that's fun little narrative saif

1:05:59

i thing right

1:06:00

it just kind it evaporates from view

1:06:02

much like the sound can't escape

1:06:04

anything solid perhaps whatever is near

1:06:06

the whole absorbs everything sound

1:06:10

like energy it's transmitting

1:06:12

a baseball games since nineteen

1:06:14

sixty three it's doing all these

1:06:16

kind of weird things and the visual part

1:06:18

it is just one more and also

1:06:21

it can't be photographed because

1:06:23

no claimed his nephew

1:06:25

right scan it tried to take

1:06:28

photographs of it and doesn't

1:06:30

really go into obese and it's blurry i

1:06:32

don't have have disappeared

1:06:34

what said the yes it's not pass why i

1:06:36

would love to send you a photo of the dime

1:06:38

because that's , to

1:06:40

do or not violating anybody's property

1:06:42

of giving anything away that's going to

1:06:45

compromise anybody's safety security

1:06:47

or privacy privacy

1:06:49

any native american spiritual

1:06:51

property that now people going to transonic

1:06:54

that's fine there is an image

1:06:56

floating out there have out that

1:06:58

fits the description it

1:07:00

is stamped nineteen forty three

1:07:02

it is an empty our dime

1:07:05

it has to be on it yeah that one's a

1:07:07

hoax i've seen that one yeah photo

1:07:09

shop that one see and so friday

1:07:12

so he can you claim that even

1:07:14

of mel produced warnings produced warnings

1:07:16

i'd come on as baloney is it photo like

1:07:18

there's nothing you can do folks is if the

1:07:20

even if showed your picture this or the

1:07:22

always like to order that prove

1:07:25

though she now days anything can be fake

1:07:27

but we've made that claim in

1:07:29

years past and people didn't believe then it's

1:07:31

like well as sulfate so you believe

1:07:33

what you want to and here though yes it is

1:07:35

convenient you , produce

1:07:37

photograph or reproduction of

1:07:40

this dime but

1:07:42

let's talk about this in a carnival

1:07:44

stance the and at it

1:07:46

reminded me a news reporter

1:07:49

series of against him her when it was but

1:07:51

i remember this remember this of it

1:07:54

where a semi pro photographer

1:07:57

and astronomy boss he

1:08:00

lives on a florida coast and he was on

1:08:02

his dad and of course he loves to take astronomy photos

1:08:05

he's got a pretty good so up radio

1:08:07

telescope which is attaches

1:08:09

to a dslr

1:08:11

and he's already go take of

1:08:13

astronomy photos right and he's on his deck

1:08:16

and here it's about dusk i believe

1:08:19

but still plenty of white and she's weird anomaly

1:08:21

rice said shape changing silvery

1:08:23

kind of object just float him off

1:08:25

the ocean so you must

1:08:27

get about look at it and he sets up but

1:08:29

the telescope in camera and he

1:08:31

notices that the naked eye

1:08:34

it looks kind of blurry

1:08:36

the and a a more fuss it seems to

1:08:38

be i think changing shape on him

1:08:41

which is hovering there and it

1:08:43

just kind of showed up and he

1:08:45

gets the telescope out any they will take

1:08:47

photographs of now here's the interesting part of

1:08:49

that which are a fan as it exists

1:08:52

in fact he shows

1:08:54

photographs photographs didn't take of it the

1:08:56

and it's no clear thin

1:08:58

looking at with the naked eye

1:09:00

right yes you can see as blurry

1:09:02

and everybody makes a juggler are blurry photos

1:09:04

whatever like it's blurry to the naked eye he

1:09:06

has a professional telescope

1:09:08

with a dslr higher as camera

1:09:10

on it and in the photo is

1:09:12

still blurry yes yeah

1:09:15

so what's going on there so this dime

1:09:17

is you walk away and it disappears

1:09:19

is , something optical going on is just

1:09:22

a little bit the philadelphia experiment

1:09:24

with the the disappearing battleship at

1:09:26

the right harmonics who knows

1:09:28

it's fun it's fun to think about anyway so there's

1:09:30

there your dimes story it's and

1:09:32

reproducible unprovable like most

1:09:35

everything in this story so then though right

1:09:37

after that we come along with a little section something

1:09:39

that does seem real that anyone can prove

1:09:41

or that can say is interesting and

1:09:44

that relates to satellite imagery

1:09:46

of what is purportedly mouth

1:09:49

land land so

1:09:51

this fascinating thing about it about lot of folks

1:09:53

who are not as old as force i

1:09:55

might not remember this but way before google

1:09:57

earth came along microsoft had came along

1:10:00

the the terrorists server that's

1:10:02

right and it was cool thing

1:10:04

in world this was the original idea where

1:10:07

you could go on and find

1:10:09

satellite imagery of anywhere

1:10:12

in the world you it didn't work as smoothly obviously

1:10:14

as google earth does now you know but

1:10:16

i'm i remember playing around on it when i first

1:10:18

discovered it and i can't remember what year that was

1:10:20

but it was way before google earth quick

1:10:23

question here your dad is

1:10:25

a map nut right he loves the

1:10:27

apps yes a i do

1:10:29

too i dunno why but he's got terabytes

1:10:32

of map data right from the old correct

1:10:35

does has some very sophisticated

1:10:37

very sophisticated programs way beyond

1:10:39

pro sumer level right and

1:10:41

so he has terabytes of maps because

1:10:43

it's all different depths you know that is

1:10:45

what you forget when you on google earth and you zoom down

1:10:48

or you change your elevation in and

1:10:50

whoa it's not really elevation but you change your

1:10:52

elevation that the pictures were taken from

1:10:54

and you move in that you know that may be

1:10:56

five ten layers of different shots

1:10:59

that are taken at all different heights are different focal

1:11:01

lengths but then on top of that you

1:11:03

can have series of maps that are topographical

1:11:06

yeah and are more illustrations than

1:11:08

actual photos so he is all that stuff so like

1:11:10

and and i as a result used to have it

1:11:12

in a i had an ipad that i used go on a

1:11:14

off road trips with and i

1:11:16

loaded up a bunch of his maps into that so could pull

1:11:18

up anything as long as had a gps signal

1:11:20

could switch to topo maps to blm

1:11:23

maps to i'm actual satellite

1:11:25

photos from different years all that stuff

1:11:28

i'm it's pretty it's pretty amazing you

1:11:30

can really get caught up in it takes up lot of data but

1:11:32

back at this point tara server was the

1:11:34

only game in town for non paper for

1:11:36

digital maps right and

1:11:38

what mouth nephew had found

1:11:40

out was that when you went to

1:11:43

the manasseh ashridge and you looked

1:11:45

at where mouse property was

1:11:48

it was blacked out or

1:11:50

should i say why did out was big white

1:11:52

box to swears should have

1:11:54

been two squares yet to squared reds

1:11:56

of the map were just white yeah

1:11:59

that's little bit like insert in malice on

1:12:01

the air with aren't he's like any by can go there

1:12:03

go now go to the terror server find

1:12:05

ellensburg zoom out little

1:12:07

bit and when you see the white blocks

1:12:10

them and after us ridge to west of town

1:12:12

that's where my property is and he's

1:12:14

he says why do you think those are expunged

1:12:17

and for me when heard and point out like okay

1:12:21

invisible time

1:12:23

no pictures we don't see anything

1:12:25

there's a as little that went to the same

1:12:27

wombats what it's like this like this this

1:12:29

is a redacted satellite

1:12:31

image right back in the early

1:12:33

days of satellite images being online right

1:12:36

nowadays we've all seen that in factors

1:12:38

top ten a videos on youtube

1:12:40

about like the ten most a weird

1:12:42

places that are blotted out

1:12:45

on google or as and it'll

1:12:47

be pixelated or just black that's

1:12:49

my favorite just it's just blacks right data

1:12:51

missing now if you're thinking that's

1:12:54

why mel chose this area

1:12:56

here he's maybe he's from

1:12:58

central washington or eastern washington

1:13:00

and he just picked this because like that adds to the

1:13:02

mystery a couple of years later right well

1:13:05

mills first appearance was nineteen ninety seven terrace

1:13:07

server do not come out until eight months after

1:13:09

his appearance so

1:13:12

mel using that as part of story

1:13:15

that he knew he could seed later to

1:13:17

did like two years later he has

1:13:19

had he

1:13:20

had to have picked the spot

1:13:22

and ellensburg near the monastic ridge

1:13:25

before he knew that the

1:13:27

grid spots would be white out

1:13:30

so it seems to be the case that

1:13:32

this is true so it's tremendous coincidence

1:13:35

that's

1:13:36

a real coincidence as well i'm saying is that

1:13:38

he just happy to pick spot where claimed his whole

1:13:40

was and i also just have to be a

1:13:42

spot where the data was missing

1:13:44

on one pair the terrorists over or are

1:13:46

we all the mark

1:13:48

i'm just saying

1:13:50

elaborate on it little more towards

1:13:52

end side job and i'm just saying what

1:13:55

is this is sigh up this is disinformation

1:13:58

where the mark and the reason he

1:14:00

was able to determine that it would be redacted

1:14:02

eight months before the terrorists server came out is

1:14:04

because this is all plot

1:14:07

to conceal something by making

1:14:09

it super fantastic an unbelievable just

1:14:11

like carry lovelace is tiny little monkeys

1:14:13

they wanted him to leave the house with them dude

1:14:15

you just blew my conclusions

1:14:20

wait i didn't know any deaths they're oh

1:14:22

man that's i'm just forget it forget

1:14:25

it wasn't just go to the and i've got another say

1:14:27

is like the know why i know

1:14:30

this is move out large learn anything from the

1:14:33

boy and should we oughta know some people like dancing

1:14:36

all the haters and sushi place it's

1:14:38

not planted up with on what are they were script

1:14:40

and whatnot sort of was you want please us

1:14:42

this is my point about that know we you know

1:14:44

what i pay a lot of attention and

1:14:46

you just now coming board with this has to listen

1:14:49

for the sides watch for the sides messages

1:14:51

from the universe whatever want college

1:14:54

there are signs and wonders that are

1:14:56

being a whispered to you pay attention

1:14:58

to the whispers not allowed voices

1:15:00

the naysayers not be tinfoil

1:15:03

hat cloud nor the hard

1:15:05

core i've made my mind up already

1:15:07

folks

1:15:08

listen to not be loud voices

1:15:11

but the whispers and one that came

1:15:13

across was i'm going to mention the this gentleman's

1:15:15

name was say he is part of a

1:15:18

military government think tank organization

1:15:20

of sorts and he had a post on

1:15:22

linked in pretty innocuous right right

1:15:25

well it was leading to a very

1:15:27

cool very well produced let's say recruitment

1:15:30

video called ghosts and machine

1:15:32

for the us army's

1:15:35

sigh warfare psi ops

1:15:38

they we recruitment video is pretty cool

1:15:41

and i show that to you a while ago and

1:15:43

then i had the idea of like yes is

1:15:45

that what's happening here that

1:15:47

part of a the

1:15:49

magician does

1:15:51

look over year because the coin

1:15:54

the chinese ft are nonexistent

1:15:56

dive are nodded his head

1:15:58

during the other one a while

1:16:00

imma doing little a flourish here i

1:16:02

going to poll what he dines out of your ear

1:16:04

you'll be surprised but it's not magic

1:16:06

it shows diversion nights better than having

1:16:08

magician pull a dime out your whole i'll tell you

1:16:10

that oh nice

1:16:13

, what and i wasn't

1:16:16

in the outline could and did he get out

1:16:18

brilliant folks he just came up with that one

1:16:21

but there's something being

1:16:23

constructed here i just don't know by whom

1:16:26

i'm dog and are

1:16:28

you dying amount like with the weird elemental

1:16:31

guy things going on is it hellier increased

1:16:33

goblins is it the government

1:16:36

is it mail

1:16:37

the only person i trust your that's in the same boat with

1:16:39

us is art bell right

1:16:41

yeah dunno there's no question that at the time that

1:16:43

male called in those images were blocked

1:16:46

out it should exceed his ability to

1:16:48

participate what the terrorists server is

1:16:50

showing and what is not showing care server still

1:16:52

around it it's there's another website for

1:16:54

it now i dunno if it got sold by microsoft

1:16:56

to this other company but it's more of

1:16:58

a a business business solution i think now

1:17:00

then and then google earth say is for

1:17:02

goofing around or least available

1:17:05

to everybody and i we did

1:17:07

find a message on message board about

1:17:09

message seemingly from someone who worked

1:17:11

someone the terrace over saying oh that happened

1:17:13

all the time images you were

1:17:15

obscured but that

1:17:17

doesn't change the fact that you

1:17:19

also obscure images you don't want people see

1:17:21

no matter how common it happens

1:17:23

accidentally or due to coding error you

1:17:26

also do that when you don't want people to see something

1:17:28

it's a common feature that fuels the conspiracy

1:17:31

theory is that you find enough little weird

1:17:33

things to fit your narrative and

1:17:35

keeps your belief day cause there's

1:17:38

another reddit thread and and are we didn't

1:17:40

have time to get into it here but it's another

1:17:42

snapshot let's say from google earth and

1:17:44

there happens to be one tiny cloud

1:17:47

obscuring the exact spot

1:17:49

where people think males whole have that picture actually

1:17:51

will pose with our yes i have that

1:17:54

very picture but know what clouds happen

1:17:56

so who knows but scott

1:17:58

one cloud out of the entire pacific

1:18:00

northwest yeah making it's way past

1:18:02

cascades to obscure a

1:18:05

tiny dot in ellensburg come on

1:18:07

man you would also be remarkably

1:18:09

easy to photoshop i can't think of anything

1:18:11

easier than photo shopping a low

1:18:13

resolution satellite image to do whatever

1:18:15

you want at this point so that's the thing

1:18:17

about now and a little bit thing about

1:18:19

back when they you have to wear the terror server guess

1:18:21

i'll just go ahead and to this part now

1:18:24

you can use photoshop whatever you wanted

1:18:26

to look like into it you don't have to redact

1:18:28

it you can one

1:18:31

stab a piece of the earth's from another

1:18:33

section right over thing trying

1:18:35

to cover up we

1:18:36

and we get that soak moving lowered

1:18:38

with there are there are a few other details that we parked

1:18:40

out that from our knows that we did want to mention one

1:18:42

of them also being that male

1:18:44

had heard reports from his trucker

1:18:46

friends and he seems to know lot of a truck drivers

1:18:49

for whatever reason which

1:18:51

, gotta know a few over the years just because

1:18:54

they're listening those right now entering

1:18:57

arrived here hopefully we'll put those folks

1:18:59

to sleep so anyway i guess some

1:19:01

of males trucker friends told him that the

1:19:03

one of them delivered huge quantity of fiber

1:19:05

optic cable to cable warehouse

1:19:08

right in ellensburg and was an unusual

1:19:10

amount the quantity of fiber

1:19:12

optic cable

1:19:13

and they're not later said that all

1:19:15

of the folks who were handling it when it was

1:19:17

dropped off were apparently it

1:19:20

really and yeah

1:19:23

at the were have and raise red flags

1:19:25

however for me it doesn't raise

1:19:27

any red flags a bunch of fiber optics

1:19:30

baby israeli intelligence all with

1:19:32

an age eighteen twenty

1:19:34

minute drive from the arkham firing range doesn't

1:19:36

seem suspicious and all dummy not even little

1:19:38

they are an ally but again there's

1:19:40

a dearth summer bilbo of of

1:19:42

rusling here between nervy until

1:19:44

we have a huge scenes information and

1:19:46

worked together all the time especially israel in the u

1:19:48

s this is not lie to me that

1:19:51

particular thing but here's the thing we're not

1:19:53

experts and ml winners i don't

1:19:55

do that i have read lot of tom clancy an

1:19:57

artist robert ludlum oh you

1:19:59

an expense do read a lot of

1:20:01

actually that tiny international news because i

1:20:03

enjoy the diplomacy in the intrigue and lined

1:20:06

up i do enjoy that stuff and i do feel

1:20:08

like you've got this firing range their to testing weapons

1:20:10

systems there's an exchange of information

1:20:12

all kinds deals are made constantly not

1:20:15

surprising to me the have

1:20:17

those personnel and that dear onsite

1:20:19

very close and firing range however

1:20:22

guess what we have lot of people out

1:20:24

there who know whole lot more than us even in our own research

1:20:26

group and they can all clap back on me whatever

1:20:28

needs to said about how wrong i am we

1:20:30

haven't checked yet we're going to bed

1:20:32

before finishes out check with bird maybe

1:20:34

knows yes yeah you don't know why

1:20:37

or the or the purpose of

1:20:39

weird things that get delivered

1:20:41

however when will say is that material

1:20:44

has to come from somewhere the army

1:20:46

doesn't make everything that it uses rights

1:20:48

have to buy some commercial goods and services

1:20:50

and it makes me think of a

1:20:53

nazi bell the myth around nazi bell

1:20:55

was that perhaps , of them

1:20:57

at least was taken to united states after

1:20:59

the war because people notice

1:21:01

and can swear to this and think there's even

1:21:03

bill a a bill bill

1:21:06

of sale or leading

1:21:08

a large amount of this very specialized

1:21:11

ceramic block will

1:21:13

deliver to wright patterson airforce

1:21:15

base around the time the people say that this

1:21:17

thing was delivered the same place right

1:21:19

that

1:21:20

non conductive blah blah and

1:21:22

that you had build this around the bell when

1:21:24

you crank that thing up to keep it

1:21:26

from killing everybody in a ten

1:21:28

mirrored distance and then you stand

1:21:30

at a distance and throw p thirty

1:21:32

eight said it and see where they sell

1:21:35

, get criminal visor thing thing

1:21:37

as we can see in past and and though famous

1:21:39

battles and what night my point being is that

1:21:41

yeah people do

1:21:43

know weird stuff because it's like they

1:21:46

have to be the contractor for

1:21:48

so that's one thing know nothing know talk

1:21:50

about truckers is that about truckers said that

1:21:52

people have been telling him after his appearance their

1:21:55

guess was on that highway

1:21:57

that goes the yeah c'mon he is a days i

1:21:59

was

1:22:00

eighty four eighty five there's a rest up there

1:22:02

and people would say not just truckers

1:22:04

but other people stopping their if

1:22:07

you look towards his property they can

1:22:09

also see that black be shooting

1:22:11

into the sky here is it a flashlight

1:22:13

could shoot him perfectly black beam

1:22:16

blotting out all light they claim

1:22:18

to mail that they were able to see it on occasion

1:22:20

now melville say he's never seen

1:22:22

it himself still claim that so

1:22:25

he did it well and we will told me that i never seen

1:22:27

it badly there you go that may happen

1:22:30

well

1:22:30

so all this stuff lot of it's recap

1:22:33

there's this new information they're still

1:22:35

strange things going on and

1:22:37

just when you think that the story is

1:22:39

ready to crawl into the ground

1:22:41

and be buried it

1:22:43

turns out that mel made

1:22:46

have stumbled across another

1:22:50

whole another a bottomless

1:22:52

home bottomless endless

1:22:55

pit in mysterious

1:22:57

location in nevada

1:23:00

home

1:23:00

of las vegas in reno my

1:23:02

here's little vague it would thought was hilarious

1:23:04

because i'd be the you can try sending

1:23:06

our mel

1:23:08

war art and email because

1:23:11

mel said is

1:23:13

it the lotta or

1:23:15

nevada and he asks art

1:23:18

who is been living there for long

1:23:20

time art says though as

1:23:22

a nevada i could think it's a mom

1:23:24

was awfully i'd have , people

1:23:27

people says is kind of mumble by thought like

1:23:29

that someone you're getting an email about

1:23:31

where it's now know it's not for both

1:23:34

ways and i feel sure that whoever says

1:23:36

it whichever way thinks the other way round is

1:23:38

round moment ago with that one thing

1:23:40

i do know is that nobody says oregon

1:23:42

except for snowy dad and

1:23:45

you can email or amazon class

1:23:47

middle man big and reagan he's

1:23:50

just not from the air and yeah that's fine being

1:23:52

the pacific northwest i've only ever

1:23:54

heard him say their as

1:23:57

the matter with the flabby uranus

1:24:00

case you're talking about something that such a

1:24:02

old chestnut true the bottomless

1:24:04

pit we've all heard at right

1:24:07

that's the ideal the bottomless pit you

1:24:09

are the door the bottom of couple taffy

1:24:11

both are

1:24:12

very highly saw you in a sushi headless

1:24:14

breadsticks yeah this seems that the thought that

1:24:16

it is something never ends well

1:24:19

this is just one of those other weird mysteries perhaps

1:24:21

or just a good story so this case

1:24:23

though yeah people would say like what

1:24:25

are the odds that the one gentleman here

1:24:28

comes on a yard and the hugely popular

1:24:30

nationals to get radio show has

1:24:32

a claim of a bottomless pit and then

1:24:34

he finds another one my only counterpoint

1:24:37

to that and i do have one is that if

1:24:39

you go on a nationally syndicated radio show

1:24:41

and tell hundreds of thousands of people

1:24:43

if not millions i don't know what their ratings are like

1:24:45

at costco sir we're at the time that

1:24:47

you have a magical bottomless pit

1:24:50

then

1:24:52

odds are pretty good that other people

1:24:54

who may have heard story who might had one

1:24:56

that they've never talked about might reach out you

1:24:58

and be like you think you at a whole come look

1:25:00

at my whole mother was the original cause

1:25:02

mills like hey i don't know what this thing is

1:25:04

i just or jelly bunch of blue fishing line

1:25:06

down at if there's anyone out there that has

1:25:08

more knowledge about this kinda stuff let me

1:25:10

know because i'm i'm intensely curious i want

1:25:12

answers and that was the

1:25:14

original intended as stated intention

1:25:17

of coming on the show with is crazy

1:25:19

story was just gets more more crazy

1:25:22

and hear what knows claiming as as

1:25:24

well eventually native americans had

1:25:27

heard of the program and herd of the story

1:25:29

and reached out him because of

1:25:31

the herbs was working with that they they heard that

1:25:34

part of story

1:25:35

they said whoa he you know if want to come

1:25:37

learn about what we got here in northern

1:25:39

nevada were working also

1:25:42

with natural remedies and

1:25:44

could be ancient native american medicinal

1:25:47

cures he already explained that it initiated

1:25:49

that stuff initiated with them roy

1:25:51

was like oh opting it from a native american

1:25:54

science yeah part the legend of

1:25:56

of mel's he as he tells are said look

1:25:58

i'm not selling any books there's not

1:26:00

mel magic whole elixir i'm

1:26:02

, selling or try make money

1:26:04

in basically this is like you know we believe

1:26:06

he's as he is stated

1:26:09

he doesn't have two dimes to rub together well that's

1:26:11

not true he may have one or two left

1:26:13

yet magic times from another

1:26:15

reality or parallel universe

1:26:18

the thing about parallels first will say quickly

1:26:21

it just popped my head the story of the dog

1:26:23

one hundred dog in that that was told

1:26:25

to him meld claims know the responsibility

1:26:28

for that story but that the hunter

1:26:30

who laid his dog the rest

1:26:32

in the bottomless pit saw him again and

1:26:34

he described him as what

1:26:37

he was hunting was somebody else the

1:26:39

and the dog will exactly the same but

1:26:41

wouldn't come to him couldn't hear him

1:26:43

is , dog now hunting with a parallel

1:26:46

hunter that's another version

1:26:48

of that guy and that can be seen

1:26:51

by the sky and that's why the dogs not coming

1:26:53

is not exactly a dog looks pretty close

1:26:56

just one concepts mail has been

1:26:58

contacted by native americans in

1:27:00

region do some work and learn and

1:27:03

exchange ideas that's right so he goes to

1:27:05

meet up with these guys and to talk

1:27:07

to them about the a medicine

1:27:09

that he's been working with and as said that he

1:27:11

indicated even from the very beginning

1:27:13

that the sticker herb and

1:27:15

that he was growing or whatever he was dealing with

1:27:17

at his original property he

1:27:19

heard about from native americans and

1:27:21

so he's been trying to work with it and find out

1:27:23

more about so big it's opportunity to

1:27:26

, work with them and in fact they

1:27:29

the area they were from and northern nevada

1:27:32

was the area that he had said

1:27:34

that this particular had come

1:27:36

from but the point is he's he's gonna go

1:27:38

and make connection with them and then he gets up

1:27:40

there to talk them about the know the work

1:27:42

he's doing he's talking them but the work they're doing

1:27:45

and then then

1:27:48

the topic of his whole comes up hold

1:27:50

for joke know older her joke continue to

1:27:53

use so anyway they they said we

1:27:55

you know it's fun the

1:27:56

that you should have an endless whole we

1:27:58

my know whether know whether but

1:28:01

you make a point of saying that it's

1:28:03

actually not on native

1:28:05

american land is not a reservation land is

1:28:07

no on essentially public land probably

1:28:09

be limb land art points out that

1:28:11

most land in nevada his

1:28:14

bureau of land management canals

1:28:16

below anybody can go

1:28:19

visited it's public lands but there are

1:28:21

restrictions right yeah depends on what

1:28:23

area you're an as as somebody who's captain

1:28:25

offered in these areas you know there's they have like

1:28:27

the to free range camping of other kind of giving

1:28:29

are you you have to be within a certain number

1:28:32

of feet of a roman rose young dirt

1:28:34

road there's other areas where you have

1:28:36

more freedom just have to find out what the rules

1:28:38

are and one in particular area you're here

1:28:40

what if government property that so long

1:28:42

and short of it the basket people

1:28:45

or herding sheep on his property which

1:28:48

is is to them to use but they do

1:28:50

not own it's yes but they know it

1:28:52

like the back of her hand since the eighteen

1:28:54

hundreds and the basque region for folks

1:28:56

the don't know isn't the pyrenees on the border

1:28:58

between spain and france and it's a really

1:29:00

unique area we've talked about on the show before because

1:29:02

the best people have

1:29:04

completely independent language yeah

1:29:07

there's no known roots or

1:29:09

proto language i believe and

1:29:11

then there's some speculation has had

1:29:13

the they are connected to the

1:29:15

atlanta hands yeah but those are coming from

1:29:17

us were just sharing that information but they're

1:29:19

sector interesting people and there's and

1:29:21

good concentration of them in northern nevada

1:29:24

normally that southern idaho to that's

1:29:26

right what's going on here is that

1:29:28

he is in northern nevada northern is talking

1:29:30

to these fast and they like know we know

1:29:32

where something as we can take you to it it's not on our

1:29:34

land but it's on land we graze on were quite

1:29:36

familiar with familiar with have been for close

1:29:38

to hundred years you should

1:29:40

come take a look at this thing because the herbs

1:29:43

that we are talking about here that thought be a

1:29:45

possible miraculous cure for

1:29:47

the spanish flu

1:29:49

and other significant

1:29:51

fever related ailments yes

1:29:53

respiratory respiratory disease diseases

1:29:56

grows around your whole well

1:29:58

it's also grown around our whole here

1:30:00

or uh-huh so that's the connection

1:30:02

that he's making however the attitude that mel

1:30:04

expresses his that native americans

1:30:07

know about this whole and their

1:30:09

attitude is like yeah just stay away away

1:30:11

yeah he would you know which is good

1:30:13

common sense about everything especially like skin walker

1:30:16

ranch or just like yeah don't do every time

1:30:18

they are like stay away yeah because the other news

1:30:20

flashes guess what they're not doing throwing bunch

1:30:22

of crap into it get it like everyone

1:30:25

down washington where it gets but the tires let's put

1:30:27

the originator let's put the they're like no we

1:30:29

don't know we've never really throw in there

1:30:31

you , like this it's best to stay away

1:30:34

don't attract attention because you're busy

1:30:36

just living your life right you don't need any

1:30:38

extra weirdness going on so yeah

1:30:40

they see it i think the

1:30:42

native americans as well

1:30:44

as the basque view the area

1:30:47

view whole and the

1:30:48

the land around it is it's

1:30:50

a bit spiritual yeah there's something unusual

1:30:52

about that so there's look at regular respect

1:30:54

for the unknown that might have

1:30:56

been lacking around mousehole when

1:30:59

it when you say your throat treacherous tv

1:31:01

yeah tires yes cabinet furniture

1:31:03

yeah i refrigerators all that i do again

1:31:06

i just love the idea that it's pop out somewhere

1:31:08

where feel like to stop that would you do we

1:31:10

our just like there's a bunch of garbage and dead

1:31:12

tells you this whole that he describes finding

1:31:15

in nevada is different

1:31:17

in several ways from the one on his property

1:31:20

one , specifically with relationship

1:31:22

to the opening in the construction around

1:31:24

it apparently this one as metal

1:31:26

collar around at a solid metal

1:31:29

color two feet high in about

1:31:31

two feet wide wide

1:31:33

i think going down as far as they could see

1:31:35

so unlike mel's whole

1:31:38

word had mel's whole built

1:31:40

retaining wall which would then about fifteen

1:31:42

feet things maybe about a foot or two

1:31:45

high off the ground not huge

1:31:47

lip or retaining color to

1:31:49

the whole in washington state

1:31:52

this one though has it's

1:31:54

not natural right so there's a some

1:31:57

kind of metal that's fashioned around

1:31:59

the ring

1:32:00

this whole run the lip of it and also there's

1:32:02

notches in it that now describes like you could

1:32:04

possibly work something with it like

1:32:07

like lid yeah like baby was interlocking

1:32:09

lid or something at some point with

1:32:11

able to close up this whole but not

1:32:13

there anymore the other strange thing about

1:32:16

it again coming back with sound is that a

1:32:18

he dropped the renshaw

1:32:20

yeah on the lip yes it

1:32:22

may no noise yeah

1:32:24

then you could pounder with sledgehammer

1:32:26

crowbar still didn't make a noise

1:32:28

yeah there's no clanging there's no ringing there's

1:32:30

no nothing i got you know doesn't describe

1:32:32

it but in my mind i'm thinking oh it's just like

1:32:34

an adult third or something which would

1:32:37

imply really significant density

1:32:39

or very peculiar material or combination

1:32:42

of those things here and so

1:32:44

this whole is not definitely

1:32:46

not natural there's some perception

1:32:48

that mel's whole may be natural

1:32:51

the nevada whole is got some

1:32:53

machining associated with it yet

1:32:55

it's on blm land and

1:32:57

other thing that mail says about this particular location

1:32:59

which he will not divulge isn't that

1:33:01

it is devoid of anything

1:33:04

there are no signs of habitation

1:33:06

anywhere around it no buildings no telephone

1:33:09

lines no roads know

1:33:11

structures of any kind this

1:33:13

thing as out in the middle of nowhere

1:33:15

and the local basque sheep herders are

1:33:17

like them at least one em who's eighty years old

1:33:19

so i said he had known of it

1:33:21

then he was ten yard least right

1:33:23

yeah at least at least and probably

1:33:25

longer so yeah that's one thing in common

1:33:27

though even though they don't look totally the same actually

1:33:29

there about nine feet in diameter that is one

1:33:31

that in diameter similar that's right right

1:33:34

a is for as the other their holes at the is

1:33:36

that the dimensional whole standard smith

1:33:38

is so standard for read it

1:33:41

portal editor marshall portal holes that's

1:33:43

one odd thing but yes old

1:33:45

beyond the people that first

1:33:47

came to the region so this basque elder

1:33:51

great grandfather is melt calls him tom

1:33:53

and wise and he says yes it's been

1:33:55

here as long as i can remember and then from his

1:33:57

childhood stories about

1:33:59

that it was here when they got here though