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hello everybody you're listening to season three episode five of the attempt

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Adventure podcast a podcast all about travel finding Adventure every day and

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seeking out adventurous ways to make life a little more interesting

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from Dallas Texas I'm your host James Barrett joined as always by my co-host

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Michael derosers in China Spring Texas not as always but as always your co-host

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today we have a great interview for you guys Mike Keane Adventure chef and

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prolific kayaker and just all around awesome dude what a cool guy yeah I am

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super excited about this one I mean what a cool guy James there's a few things in

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this world that I really love uh I love food I love adventure and I really like

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kayaking I mean I'm not gonna say I'm a prolific kayaker I've I've kayaked

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I have been in a kayak we'll get into that in just a few

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minutes everybody I need to interrupt before that James because we actually

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have some administrative things we have to do we have somebody bought us a beer

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James and I've got one right here for us uh it is speckle my uh nephew I guess my

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brother's cat so um you know do the math on that one

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but speckle the cat this one's for you have you had this one James this is an

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upside down from Martin house I have not okay it is a lactose sour with

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pineapples cherries and cake flavoring so it's a pineapple upside down cake

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flavored sour so hmm well you have that I have a water you're much healthier

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than I am here we go oh it's it's nine o'clock at night it's not like I'm

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usually usually when recording's like seven in the morning I'm like well I

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guess I gotta drink a beer uh it's not like that this is actually appropriate

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time here we go I just don't have any there we go it's very sour I will it is

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it is very sour but it's good I recommend it you might like it cheers

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it's got a strange flavor it's water is yeah Martin house great Brewery weird

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Michael have you done anything new or adventurous in this past week or since

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then we last talked I certainly have James um since we last talked I yeah I

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took a road trip last week my wife is in town and uh we're both in the States now

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we took a road trip up to Arkansas drove up through Texarkana I spent the first

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night in Hot Springs which is a great town neat little National Park it's one

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of the smaller national parks it's very small but it's really fun I don't know

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when was the last time you've been over there have you been I've never been oh

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really okay uh yeah it's great because you can tour these historic bath houses

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which were you know in the day where people would come for any number of

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illnesses from all around the country to convalesce it's really interesting um

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and they have fountains all throughout the town where you can you know drink

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the mineral water so we had our big Bucky's tumblers we filled them up with

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mineral water on the way out of town uh drank it it's really good it tastes

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great I mean it's really really good water and let me tell you something

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James uh I love water I don't get those people that are like I don't like water

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yeah you know what I hope you're not like water you're like a being I mean

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you're a mammal but uh as water goes the water in hot springs is really good it's

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cool little town yeah then we drove up through the mountains and up through the

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Ozarks to the very Northwest tip of Arkansas like like I'm talking like we

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were right on the border real close to like Branson up there to Eureka Springs

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another cool funky little town very neat little artsy Town up in the mountains

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there driving in Arkansas is terrible the roads even the highways are

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extremely narrow and like they're not it's mountains like you just are

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twisting and winding for hours you know you see these signs that are like

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warning very you know very winding very steep next 32 miles or something and

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it's just awful but it's beautiful it's a very sort of uh remote place Arkansas

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very rural um up in the mountains there Eureka Springs is neat it's on like a

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hillside town it's very hard to find a parking spot because everything is

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extremely steep you kind of just have to park and then take the Town Trolley

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which is a lot of fun so we took the trout Town Trolley we went to go see the

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Christ of the Ozarks which is kind of like Crystal Ridge and tour but you know

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not not as well Arkansas yeah um uh yeah but we had some amazing food

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some good Arkansas catfish great Diner downtown for breakfast I know we drove

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back drove back and spent the last night in Texarkana which was a little bit more

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driving than I had really intended because again you have to go really slow

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on these winding roads like I'm talking like you're going like 30 40 miles an

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hour because it's so Steep and so winding up in the Ozark Mountains so the

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distances didn't look very far but it was really long you know slow going but

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that last night we stayed in Texarkana and took a picture at the uh second most

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photographed post office in the country after the old post office in DC which is

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cool because it's on the state line it has like a line that goes through it

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then we drove over to I think I'm saying it right because I asked we were there

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falc f-o-u-k-e falc I believe which is like 15 miles outside of Texarkana in

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Arkansas home to the boggy creek monster it is the Arkansas Bigfoot so uh we went

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to the museum there at this little gas station slash Mini Mart slash Museum and

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I bought a mug with Bigfoot on it and uh yeah so apparently our Bigfoot haunts

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the woods of Arkansas which I'll tell you like when you're driving through

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there at night you kind of can you know you can believe it you can believe it

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fun fact about the mountain range over there because that's the Ozark Mountain

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is is part of the Appalachian chain it's a little bit far west I think isn't it

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because Arkansas is just North of Texas but double check that fact check me

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James I'm not sure yes they are are they okay wow so the Appalachian mountain

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range it is the same mountain range as the Scottish Highlands interesting two

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it is older than the first land mammal at all they are older than trees

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so when John Denver said life is old there older than the trees oh that's

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what he meant coincidentally older than John Denver

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too well I believe they're the oldest mountain

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range on Earth you know I think I've heard that and you know James when

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you're out there at night you know we're in we're in Eureka Springs and we were

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at this cool little Hotel Lodge uh with a balcony overlooking just the woods

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like the Deep Woods you know and even there kind of in the town you're like

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you know I can see how people I'm not I'm not saying they saw Bigfoot but I

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can understand how if you're out in the woods alone at night in those dark

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ancient Woods how you might think that you saw oh yeah yeah no they are they're

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creepy in there it's if you're out there at night it's almost like oppressive

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yeah it's dark in a weird way it's it's dark and it's old driving through there

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I was like oh I'm uncomfortable like I had yeah I was uncomfortable driving

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through there not like because of the roads I mean that was creepy it's just a

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weird feeling out there it was and it's very hard to put into words we had an

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episode about this if you guys go back and do our Halloween 2020 episode it's

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beautiful though highly recommend so that's what I did James that's what

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that's what I did awesome well that sounds fun yeah what about you what if

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you been up to Michael you know my hunt for specific ingredients is often in

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vain yes now you're you like to cook I know this you like to cook and you like

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to experiment and you like to try to find like you say specific ingredients

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to facilitate that yes two of the things that I had the hardest time finding one

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of which still in the hunt for pandan um if anyone knows anybody out there in

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the States knows where I can get it let me know but the other one is just Thai

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Basil holy basil I finally found it yeah you sent me a picture and you were so

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excited finally found it so instead of just trying to I actually

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didn't make anything with the bundle with a bunch I bought what I did was I

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took it I took cuttings from it and I am rooting them right now and I'm going to

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plant my own and I will never run out again awesome I've never planted

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anything before yeah so we'll see how this goes that's certainly an adventure

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that's really cool I was so excited when you sent me that picture because I've

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been searching here too like we've been looking I still need that um basil

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chicken recipe okay yes I will send that over to you absolutely but yeah so not

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as exciting as a vacation which I'm going on vacation in three days well

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we'll talk about that next episode hopefully you'll have some good stuff to

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to talk about oh yeah but yeah so I'm growing holy basil nice and that

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actually ties in really well with the theme of today's episode of cooking and

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like sort of homesteading yeah hey and speaking of homesteading James you and I

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went to a homestead last week well we did that's also something new forgot

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about that James came down James and his wife came down and met me and my wife

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here but it was not the best day to be in China Spring so China Spring is about

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a three minute drive from Waco Regional Airport and if you follow the news there

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was an unsavory character at Waco Regional Airport holding a political

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rally on the 30th anniversary of the Branch Davidian thing and it became a

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wretched Hive of scum it was indeed there were more flags of abhorrent

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slogans than I've ever seen in my life we wanted to get out of town so James

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came and rescued us and pulled us away from this tiny little town which uh does

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not deserve the likes of him and so we were like let's get out of Waco so

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that's that's where our Story begins yeah and so why don't you explain what

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I'm here to job status real quick because you can explain it better than I

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can Heritage Homestead is a homestead and working farm in the anabaptist

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tradition and it's it's open to people of all of all faiths and all beliefs or

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whatever uh but they have a you know it's a working farm they grow vegetables

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they have crops that have little like local shops like a blacksmith and they

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have like a a mill where they make flour like a real water mill where they grind

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up wheat and make it into flour they have a cheese cave it's just all sorts

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of stuff like they make jam and and they don't have a lot like woodworking where

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they make like rocking chairs like it's a farm it's kind of like an

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old-fashioned farm and these families live out there they they have a

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homestead out there yeah and so we decided to do that when you when it was

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more something like well we need something to do that's not in Waco but I

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actually really I really enjoyed it yeah it's one of those things where you where

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you like you go to it and you're like yeah you'll see you know but then you're

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like oh this is really nice actually yeah highly recommend shout out to

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Heritage Homestead have you ever would you ever consider homesteading

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um you know we've kind of thinking I've talked about this we've been talking a

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little bit about not full-time but buying some land up in

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uh you know a couple hours outside of Bangkok and having a little bit of a

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mini Farm or Homestead just a place to get away from the city

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um it's it's nowhere in the near future by any means but it's something that

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we've talked about I think it'd be fun having some free-range chickens maybe

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and growing some veggies I don't know what about you same kind of thing again

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it's one of those things where like the ideal of it is better than for me the

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reality would be you know I unfortunately

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am very attached to my conveniences and that's a that's a its own issue we're

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not going to get into um we're not going to break down my

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mental barriers yeah James today

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tune in next week but you know I I think I would like

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something in the middle something where I can have an area to grow growth of

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food or have some chickens or do something like that but not I don't want

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to run a farm yeah no I don't want to I don't want to run a commercial Farm by

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any definitely not but like if I could grow some vegetables and or some fruit

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trees or have some chickens or a couple goats or something like that like that

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that would be really nice yeah yeah a nice piece of land there's something

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about that isn't that like producing something that you can consume yourself

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well it's just something I think of just doing yeah something it's very I'm

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trying to think of a good word that doesn't sound stupid it's very like

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Hands-On like yeah you can natural I mean it's a it's a way of living that

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was everyone's way of living for thousands of years it was that's how

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people lived the urban living that we do today over the course of human history

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is very very recent last like 300 years maybe and in America even less yeah yeah

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we're talking like a hundred years if that yeah there was a time not that long

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ago where everyone had their own little farm and everyone grew food and or small

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communities got together and did it or whatever but so there's something very

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it's a way of living that's I don't know I think people are weirdly kind of meant

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to do that yeah I don't I know that sounds kind of like kitschy and weird

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but it's like yeah humans want to do that kind of thing like like you get a lot of

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satisfaction from doing stuff like that yeah why are farming Sim games so

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popular it's it's peace yeah but

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we can talk about that in another episode that'd be good sure

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why is farming simulator popular I can't get into it but I tried

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no I think you're right and I think I think that's a really good point and um

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I agree with you on that I think there is something about that that I find

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really appealing I think it's more kind of not being in the hustle and bustle of

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everything it's kind of a way to sustain yourself without needing other people

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and you're staying busy but you're actually being productive

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you're not just earning money which ultimately is something intangible right

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you're being productive but you're making something like truly productive

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in the most literal sense of it especially if you like you know I'm

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building my house or building you know these you you're actually you have a

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tangible like you said the attangible results with your of your work so yeah I

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think that's it's very satisfying yes yes and even just visiting there when we

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went and spent the day out there it was it was just relaxing it was nice it's

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just nice and it's nice to see people that live that way by choice and not by

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you know some necessity or some whatever but you know which yeah that does kind

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of lead us pretty good right into the interview it does right well without

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further Ado I guess ladies and Gentlemen let's have a listen to the interview

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segment this is Mike Keane I hope you enjoyed the episode as much as we did

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thank you hello uh my name is Mike Keane I'm based

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in the east of England in a county called Suffolk which is uh right on the

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North Sea so good for kayaking I guess I'm a a chef Adventurer I do um I do a

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lot of kayaking actually and yeah cooking on the beach wild foraging

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cooking over fire fermentation that kind of stuff so very much eating from your

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environment not relying on the global food system trying to go I wouldn't

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class myself as a prepper or anything like that but I uh I'm very much into

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trying to live without all the modern conveniences that um seem so great but

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actually looking beneath the surface contribute a lot of damage to the

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environment so what does Adventurer mean to you and how did you get started

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adventuring yeah adventuring um I've lived abroad most of my life I've been a

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chef most of the time or in Hospitality so after I've traveled and worked abroad

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in loads of different circumstances and I guess the older I get and the he had

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more lung in the tooth the more kind of extreme or more difficult circumstances

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like I can't kind of get a buzz off those it's um I don't think it's chasing

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the buzz is why I do it but it's uh getting that experience you know as a

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kid I grew up in Nigeria and Saudi Arabia and you really notice a

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difference when you come back to the UK or somewhere in in the west uh the

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difference between your experiences and and how you perceive the world to people

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who have just been perhaps a little bit more insular and I I think getting out

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there putting yourself into kind of conditions or situations that aren't in

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your comfort zone or make you a little bit uncomfortable as long as it's not

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dangerous or intentionally dangerous then then I think it's all good

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character building and I definitely think it's something that kids of today

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really need to be exposed to more rather than just sitting in their little bubble

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because yeah you do get really you get a really skewed version of the world but I

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think if you've been out there and doing it it's the best education beat school

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and universities and colleges by a long shot but Adventures can be could be

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anything that you know it's not a classic Shackleton type Adventure

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um in my mind but you know eventually can be if you've got an afternoon just

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get just take yourself off and go for a walk somewhere that you haven't been

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before just just experience it I think everyone especially in the the age of

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social media and Instagram Etc is so aspirational or they feel they've got to

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do something that's over and Beyond has never been done before but it's um it's

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only internally that you've got to kind of prove yourself I think and you yeah

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if if you go somewhere new then that's brilliant what a great experience that's

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exactly the philosophy of our podcast we kind of just Define adventurers you know

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anything that breaks your routine anything that just kind of gets you out

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there doing something new yeah it makes you feel so much better as well when you

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get back even though before you go you go oh can I be bothered to do that time

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it's been brilliant yeah it's really good well you've got speaking of

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Adventure you've got a big Expedition coming up can you tell us a little bit

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about that yeah so four weeks today actually I head off to Greenland and a

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week after that once I've kind of accommodized to this diet which I'll

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tell you about afterwards um I start paddling from Coco talk right in the

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south on the west coast and I had 3 000 kilometers up the west coast northwards

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to connect which is the northernmost permanently inhabited place in the world

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uh I was there a couple of years ago I spent the last three summers in

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Greenland but it's a solo kayak uh I'll be wild camping I'm aiming to cover 30

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kilometers a day which doesn't sound a lot but if you factor in downtime for

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storms or bad weather um then yeah I think 30k is kind of a

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manageable amount and hopefully yeah but by the time it gets to June 21st

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midsummer's day where I'll be in Greenland it will be 24 hours a day

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sunlight so if if I've got some good days and it's it's nice clear clear

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sailing I can push it a little further I'll probably have to to make up some uh

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to make up some time the bit that is a little bit

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um unsure of at the moment is in in the north because of the sea ice it breaks

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up at different times every year and it's even more kind of

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um unpredictable because of climate change lately so

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um I've gone through the last few years um NASA satellite images and it could be

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okay by the time I get up to kind of illusat which is that two-thirds of the

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way up but there's a possibility I might have to kind of wait out until the sea

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ice is broken up then there's some bigger channels to get through so that's

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going to be the interesting bit I think well there's loads of interesting bits

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in it polar bears icebergs all that kind of stuff but um that could make a big

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difference to the end date so what's this about the diet because I know

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there's an element of scientific research as well as culinary research

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yeah yeah um well there's there's kind of two scientific projects the first one

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is I'll be collecting intestinal samples of sea mammals as I go uh on behalf of

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the British Antarctic Survey plus a couple of other um scientific

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organizations and that is to that I'll send these samples back to I think it's

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going back to Cambridge at the moment here in the UK and they'll be measuring

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microplastic uh within the samples when I say samples I mean poo so yeah seal

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walrus polar bear if I can get hold of any and uh yeah so it's purely from a

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kind of pollution aspect to measure uh how much microplastic is in the coastal

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Waters as they go and the the samples from the poo of these animals are one of

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the best ways of taking it because they go from the surface down to the bottom

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and what they're eating is obviously stuff that lives in the area so it's

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it's a really good indication of of the levels of pollution in that area the

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main one for me as a chef uh is the other project which I'll be only eating

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a in your diet as I go a traditional Inuit diet so for thousands of years the

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Inuit survived off just what was what's in their environment so fish seal

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reindeer salmon occasional seaweeds seabirds sea bird eggs that kind of

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thing so um that's what kind of what got me

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interested in Greenland was it was the diet it was incredible these guys just

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eating 100 sea mammals were fished and they and they survive with it you know

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in the west we become so used to you know relying on a fridge and safe

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methods and the temperature check-in and if it's a day pass itself I throw it

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away but yeah all that just goes totally out the window there's a complete 180

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out there and it's it's that that's what kind of got me into it was like how the

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hell can these guys survive because as a chef in the west I've been trained my

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whole career to you know if it's a day past the Subways throw it away or if it

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looks dodgy throw it away it turns out that's pretty much wrong it's not the

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best thing for the planet if we chuckling so much food away so I'll be

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doing that um and I've linked up with that amazing

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bunch of microbiologists all around the world from Stanford to North Carolina

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mooc and over in corkin island and Tim Spector Professor Tim Spector um who

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does a lot of nutrition and diet stuff here in the UK he is doing a full run of

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tests on me two days before I leave at Dexter scan Bloods urine stool samples

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and then we'll be doing that again immediately on my return and just to

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measure the difference between yeah what's happened to me physiology wise

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over the three month pedaling and on that diet but also I'll be sending

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samples of my um gut microbien again poo back to the scientists and they'll be

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measuring the bacteria on that's on the food that I'm eating and the bacteria

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that's in my gut microbiome and and how that's affected my mental well-being my

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gut and my General Health especially in such a kind of an endurance situation so

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I think it's going to be pretty groundbreaking study actually it's um this could be some really good

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information coming up so that's from this exciting stuff I think that's

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amazing it's not just adventure for fun which there's definitely Merit to that

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but it's adventure for a greater purpose as well I think that's really cool yeah

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yeah thanks uh yeah so I'll be by myself pretty much most of the time paddling

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for for long periods can get pretty boring and tedious right with the polar

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bear precautions that I've got to take with the tent and stuff like that it's

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going to take a good hour at least to set up and break down the tent and my

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Camp each night and but there will be a fair bit of downtime if I'm in the storm

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and there's two days of I just can't get out on the boat

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um yeah I'm gonna be bored so um yeah just kind of filling it with you know a

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really detailed Journal taking samples accessing and hunting for food it's

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going to be um a good time waster great well what are these polar bear

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precautions that you mentioned how do you actually protect your Camp

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um I've got flares and I've got a flare pistol and I'll have a rifle um that we

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strapped to the deck in a dry bag as I go because I'm by myself I can't

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obviously be on watch 24 7 because I've got to sleep at some point so

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um which would normally happen in polar bear country but for this one uh there's

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a tripwire double trip wire that you can put on posts

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um set it up around the tent and on each post is a double blank cartridge so if

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the tripwire is broken it fires a double blank so it'll go off immediately and it

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fires 30 foot in the Airing and goes off again so that's kind of got two purposes

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the first will hopefully be to scare the polar bear away I fear it's going to

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scare me even more when I'm in my tent and going oh my God why why I had the

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rifle there and and flares and as soon as I hear that I've just got to get out

25:16

of the tent and make a big noise and and hopefully scare scare the the Beast away

25:20

you know which would be great the rifle's there for life or death

25:24

situation but hopefully you know if you make a lot

25:27

of noise and you've got a flare and I can fire a flare towards it not at it

25:31

then yeah I'm hoping that's gonna that's that's gonna do the job

25:40

definitely well what inspired the Expedition what got you interested in

25:44

Greenland um I was pitching a book project about

25:48

10 years ago but it finally came to um to fruition three years ago and I went

25:53

out to Denmark and then uh pharaohs Iceland and Greenland following the the

25:57

story of the north as they they kind of migrated across the North Atlantic from

26:01

Norway the further west they got the more extreme and more interesting the

26:06

the food preservation practices got because yeah there were there's nothing

26:10

like today obviously a thousand years ago there with no GPS they had to rely

26:14

on their wits and what was in their environment and so you know the Pharaohs

26:17

they fermented lamb yeah there's hardly any trees on any of these places so you

26:22

can't right you can't evaporate sea water to create salt to preserve stuff

26:25

which would would have been the kind of the regular one so they had to find a

26:29

different way and it just turns out that leaving it in the environment can also

26:33

do the trick so yeah they got fermented land I'm in the Pharaohs in in Iceland

26:37

they've got fermented more extreme stuff like um fermented shark green and shark

26:42

over there which is which is a very high in ammonia and yeah makes your eyes

26:48

water almost and then when you get to Greenland so they've got that's the

26:51

whole history of stuff over there so they've you know the fermented seal fat

26:55

fermented seal fermented cod um seabirds seabird eggs and then the

27:00

most interesting one was kiviac up in the far north where they catch hundreds

27:04

of these um little York seabirds when they're migrate in kind of April May

27:07

time and they pack about 500 of them or so inside a seal sew the seal up press

27:12

all the air out and bury under rocks for six months and then they unearth it and

27:17

bite the head off drink the liquefied insides and then the the meat on the

27:21

breasts and the legs has almost gone like Pate you can almost just you know

27:24

kind of Slough it off with with your fingers and eat it it tastes pretty much

27:28

as Extreme as it sounds you know but if you close your eyes you'd think you're

27:32

reaching a super strong like Stilton or a gorgonzola a really strong cheese yeah

27:37

which is incredible but because you know it's meat I think that's where the kind

27:40

of disparity comes you go hang on this shouldn't taste like this but that's

27:43

just what that's just from what we've been used to is we've grown up one on

27:48

the scene with the microbiome project actually is uh an anthropologist from

27:51

the University of Michigan and he's done a lot of studies into the disgust reflex

27:55

and and how people especially bipolo explorers have had to adopt the Inuit

28:00

diet when they've had to overwinter 100 years ago or so and it's it's like super

28:05

interesting because the fermentation the extreme stuff is really loved by people

28:10

who are used to it and and that's how we got into the whole disgust is a learned

28:14

reflex it's not inherent in our genes or it's it it's not part of our hardwired

28:18

physiology it's something that we we learned which kind of makes sense

28:21

because you know when you're a kid you're so fussy and you hate all kinds

28:25

of stuff especially the strong stuff yeah any strong cheeses or meats or

28:28

anything like that you you kind of stay away from but as you get older you kind

28:31

of love that stuff that's really strong like Anchovies and stuff is it's great

28:36

and yeah so that's that's where we're coming from with that it's going to be

28:40

uh yeah it's gonna be super interesting and because of the last three years when

28:44

I've spent time in Greenland kayaking and and cooking I've eaten a lot of it

28:48

and you do yeah within actually within the same day if you've eaten enough of

28:52

it you just start to actually this is all right this is this is pretty good

28:56

stuff and and the other thing is is how nature kind of looks after you and you

29:00

know vitamin C and scurvy is a big issue with extreme environment you know like

29:05

the the sailors in the 17th and 18th centuries used to die die by the

29:09

hundreds because they didn't have vitamin C but it turns out that you know

29:13

animal intestines especially sea mammals uh and fish have high amounts of vitamin

29:18

C if you ferment seal fat the process of fermentation converts some of the

29:23

nutrients into Vitamin C um seal eyeballs as well the high in

29:26

vitamin C um yeah it's incredible how nature kind

29:30

of provides for you is so yeah really really incredible but that's all the

29:34

whole part of the fascination with kind of evolutionary anthropology

29:38

um and and how how indigenous peoples ended up in the countries and the areas

29:42

that they've been in and how they're survived well you briefly touched on

29:45

some of the environmental issues yeah what do you think are some of the most

29:49

pressing environmental issues that are facing the Arctic region

29:53

um well mainly because it's in the Arctic you've got that huge amount of um

29:57

uh ice on the ice cap of Greenland 80 of Greenland is ice cap but it's retreating

30:01

yeah he at a really fast rate you know faster than anywhere else in the world

30:05

and they could continue to have you know higher temperatures you know

30:08

record-breaking high temperatures in in the Summers and crazy amounts much more

30:13

than anywhere else um so that is and that's a huge issue

30:16

you know for the whole world you know it's going to affect everywhere because

30:19

the low-lying regions are just going to get flooded over the next few decades

30:22

because it's coming from the Arctic obviously Greenland is is the biggest

30:25

one and that's kind of the poster boy for climate change really at the moment

30:29

but then you've got the whole population of like 57 000 I think it is spread over

30:34

a country that's you know bigger than Europe

30:37

um so it's very remote and a lot of them are on the sea lion area yeah the

30:41

coastal areas so the the flooding is going to be a problem there as well but

30:45

then also part of the reason for climate change is obviously you know fossil

30:50

fuels and and then this exploitation of the earth

30:53

um in in for mining coal precious metals and that kind of stuff and ironically

30:59

with the retreating of the glaciers and the ice cap it's exposing areas that are

31:04

really rich in all these kind of pressure sores and metals especially now

31:08

as we're looking at smartphones and chips and that kind of stuff which you

31:12

use Yeah the more rarer Metals right um and so they're getting bombarded with

31:16

with these companies that have you know billions of dollars behind them to go

31:20

mining so Greenland is is is particularly vulnerable to exploitation

31:26

by these mining companies and luckily the government is is really really

31:29

strong and a really Pro environment but there's a lot of pressure to come under

31:34

financially so they've got to be protected

31:37

um I think yeah by the rest of the world to not capitulate and go through these

31:42

huge great really lucrative mining concessions that will give them loads of

31:46

money but on the flip side it's gonna it's gonna poison yeah fjords and the

31:50

Sea and then just strip the landscape so it's it's a real Catch-22 but

31:55

historically you know that they they turned down a uranium mine a couple of

32:00

years ago now in the South which is great because it would have flooded the

32:03

runoff of chemical Laden Waters and waste going into the fjords would have

32:08

been disastrous for the for the ecosystems around it that's a really

32:11

encouraging sign and there's a big decolonized movement because they've got

32:15

home rule but they're kind of well they are kind of ruled by Denmark so there's

32:21

a big movement um to decolonize but they have I think a

32:25

site around 5 billion euros each year they're subsidized by Denmark which if

32:31

that was reduced or went that's a huge amount of um of money to make up so yeah

32:37

tourism or or mining companies and at some point the mining companies just

32:42

going to throw enough money at it so that needs to be looked at and obviously

32:46

you've got you know the different political Powers you've got China Russia

32:48

America plus other others all kind of putting pressure on to their companies

32:53

come into this place so it's just going to raise awareness of this and get as

32:57

much exposure and public pressure on there as much as we can I think so for

33:02

your Expedition all right what are you most concerned about what are some of

33:05

the biggest challenges that you're expecting to face the one that's going

33:09

to give you most anxiety will be the polar bear thing I think oh yeah even

33:13

though it's probably not realistically number one on the list it's just the

33:16

just the thought of it and if I hear something in the night oh my God oh my

33:20

God is that a polar bear so that's but I've done I've kind of done all the

33:24

safety things I can on that um other things will be finding a nice a

33:28

a safe area to launch launch from or land so if I've been paddling for six

33:33

hours I need some kind of planned possible stop routes so yeah there are

33:37

areas where that the mountains just go straight into the seat and there won't

33:40

be anywhere I can possibly land or or rest up on for maybe tens of kilometers

33:45

so I'm gonna have to seriously plan that do you do that via satellite how do you

33:50

know sort of where you're planning to land yeah I'm going

33:54

um on good old-fashioned Maps um as my daily kind of go-to there's you

33:59

can get a pretty much good reliable information from that that as well as

34:02

tapping into local knowledge which is super important but I'll have a really

34:06

good GPS system and that for the upcoming kind of two or three days I'll

34:10

highlight areas where I can possibly stop so if the weather picks up and it's

34:15

getting hard going or the tides against me then I'll have okay I'm gonna have to

34:19

go back to that one 5K back or perhaps I can push forward and hit that one in in

34:23

2K time but um I don't really want to be caught out by that because that could be

34:28

a pretty honorable situation and you've got icebergs uh unbelievable they're

34:32

everywhere but the coast of Greenland but then if if you've been kayaking

34:37

there to one that's flipped over or is carved it's absolutely terrifying that

34:41

the noise is just it you can feel it all through here and it's a scary thing so

34:45

I've got a good healthy regard for icebergs but also you have the tsunami

34:48

as well if there's a big Iceberg or a big carving of a glacier it's going to

34:52

create a tsunami so if you're sometimes within 100 meters of it it can cause a

34:57

tsunami that's also peppered with ice chunks it's like metal that in the

35:01

damage kayak can damage me so yeah that's that that's one but that's a very

35:06

visible thing you you can do things to mitigate that and then you've also got

35:10

uh Wales what the potential whale breaches very very rare but it can

35:15

happen you know if you're in a motorboat or something it's making a noise then or

35:19

something bigger then the whales are switched on enough to avoid them most of

35:23

the time but if you're in a fairly silent kayak what you don't want to do

35:27

is have a leviathan jump out on your starboard side and then crash on you

35:32

because there's not much you can there's not much you can do about that apart

35:35

from flip over and just hope but and yeah yeah I've got the appropriate gear

35:39

I've got dry suits um one piece and two piece with all the

35:43

other neoprene cuffs and collars um I've got

35:47

um a really good uh techie setup as well got a SAT phone I've got yeah this GPS

35:51

I've got a in reach radio system so I've kind of ticked all the boxes on that as

35:58

well so uh I've done as much as I can so gearwise is what about your cooking gear

36:04

what are you bringing along with you in that regard yeah because I've done it

36:08

it's what plus side of that is that I won't have to a huge amount of space for

36:11

like ration packs or dried food or anything like that so um a lot of the

36:15

food will be dried it'll last forever so I can pick up a good couple of kilo of

36:19

dried seal or dried amazat which is a little Cable in fish and they're dried

36:23

intact so they've got guts and everything in them and Bones so that's

36:27

pretty much a One-Stop shop for being able to survive on so it's got

36:30

everything you need so I'll have a good amount of that I'll be fishing as I go

36:34

yeah last year when I was staying kind of two hours north of nuke the capital I

36:38

went out every day in a kayak and didn't come back with less than three card it

36:42

was it was amazing you just put the hook in and capture card obviously it won't

36:45

be that great the whole way along but I'll go catch a couple of cards which

36:49

will see me through a day or two so then and there's settlements all the way up

36:52

so I I'm I better buy Seal or anything else off any Hunters as I go built up

36:59

quite a good networking Greenland over the last three years so I've got a lot

37:02

of contacts who are kind of expecting this this Englishman at some point who

37:06

might be who might be wanting to buy some food so yeah that's good and I

37:11

don't speak greenlandic but I've been learning Danish for the last three or

37:13

four months so I've got a good basic grasp of that but I'll have a kind of a

37:17

sheet with all the basic work basic phrases of survival in in greenlandic

37:22

like the conditions for kayaking like safe face the lands tide races but food

37:27

as well is is going to be critical so yeah and it's cold enough that I can

37:32

keep fresh food on on the boat it'll be about the water temperatures can be

37:37

about one or two degrees um see so I'll keep food in there and

37:41

it's like like yeah like my natural fridge anyway yeah so I'm hoping I'll be

37:45

okay on that as well and kick in Wise I've just got a um just uh it's it's

37:50

called a prospector's pan it's just a just a I think it's eight or ten inch

37:54

wide I've got a Calor Gas type um you know gas thing in case I need it there's

37:59

hardly any wood out there so I can't rely on building a campfire so that's

38:03

why I've got that um and but I'll pick up Driftwood as I

38:07

go and shave it off start a fire that way if I can if it's been raining for

38:11

ages it won't work so I have to go back to the gas but then a lot of it is is

38:15

kind of fermented and you can eat raw anyway so

38:18

um it's going to be interesting I'll be sick of cod I reckon by the time I

38:22

finished it I'm sure well it sounds really physically intense

38:27

as well how do you prepare physically for an expedition like this yeah I've

38:31

been uh doing a lot of gym work um you know like the arm bike we I just get on

38:37

that for an hour pretty much every day and just do just do that I've been in

38:43

the gym I've been doing a lot of kind of a lot of cardio stuff a lot of

38:47

um low weight High Rapid decision um arm and torso stuff so yeah I think

38:52

that's as much as you can I've got a kayak here on the coast as well that

38:55

I've been out in quite a bit over the winter and stuff it's not

38:59

it hasn't been ideal but in the way if it's too if if the weather's too rough

39:03

out here I won't go out in that um but the gym work has been pretty good

39:07

and obviously I'm going to be building up because of the

39:11

um I think we'll have eight or nine hours of sunlight by the time I get

39:16

there but when I start so I won't be able to do huge amounts to start with

39:19

anyway so that'll be a gradual build up as well on that so um yeah I've I've

39:25

been I've been doing some good a lot of gym work for the last six six months or

39:30

so so I've I've built up quite a lot on that so yeah I don't know what I look

39:35

like at the end of three months of doing it but um I suspect you I I yeah I'm

39:39

hoping I'll be really buff yeah well I'm sure you'll get in great shape

39:43

right in your daily life I know that you try to live more sustainably as well

39:48

yeah I know uh you and I have talked a bit about your homestead tell us a bit

39:51

about that how do you try to have that sustainable living in your just regular

39:56

life as well yeah because uh about eight and a half here and my partner grows

40:00

loads of veg um loads of heirloom stuff um there's

40:03

stuff that's you know hasn't been as economically productive so it's kind of

40:07

Fallen by the wayside commercially and you don't often see

40:11

um but it's it's making a big Resurgence now because people are going back to

40:15

these traditional things that are humans have survived on for hundreds of

40:19

thousands of years um we've got chickens so yeah we've got

40:22

chickens duck geese turkeys so we get a lot of eggs and I've I've started to up

40:28

my meat intake quite a lot so mostly Wild game or organic works from from

40:34

rounds the area where we are so yeah the thing I'm really kind of anti against

40:40

the the whole Global Food system is so Reliant and a big driver of climate

40:47

change at the moment that we need to be and it's most of it's totally

40:50

unnecessary we don't need to be importing you know avocados from Mexico

40:54

or apples from from New Zealand um and that's one of the things that

40:59

kind of is highlighted in Greenland every little settlement has got like a

41:03

small shop again subsidized by Denmark that you can go in and buy frozen pizzas

41:07

or salamis or cheeses um and and fresh fruit sometimes you can

41:12

get kiwi fruit and bananas and stuff in in these in these places which again

41:16

they don't grow in England um so

41:19

it's it's just as wrong to kind of to to buy it from here but in green and when

41:24

you look out the window and it's just it's just icebergs and there's there's

41:28

clearly no farming or agriculture going on it's the difference is even more

41:33

Stark and you've got an avocado in your hand and you start it just really makes

41:36

it makes you aware that the avocado Has Come On A Boat back to Newark from

41:41

Copenhagen and it's probably come from a European hub from Mexico City or South

41:46

Africa or somewhere oh wow how did these people survive before we

41:51

had the transport system and the answer is you just ate what what was available

41:54

and it was in fact it was probably better than having all these kind of

41:58

mono crop culture foods that are transported all around the world yeah

42:02

relying on oil and gas um you know fertilizer and antibiotics

42:06

and everything into the water table microplastics everywhere is it's you've

42:12

just got to get away from this whole processed processed food culture that we

42:16

have and look around the environment that you're living in okay what what

42:21

would I have been eating a thousand years ago and that's how we've evolved

42:24

as a human race and we evolve so slowly that it takes thousands of years for any

42:29

kind of changes to to happen of adaptation to you know external

42:33

influences so it's it's no wonder that you know we were ticking along just fine

42:39

for hundreds of thousands of years and then in the last say 500 or 300 years

42:43

when since the Industrial Revolution and we've been importing stuff pumping

42:47

chemicals into the Earth and suddenly we've got all these all these diseases

42:50

that were unheard of hundreds of years ago

42:54

um and we've got allergies intolerances diseases everywhere obesity our immune

43:00

systems are shots um it's it's crazy and and you can track

43:04

it all back to kind of the capitalist kind of ethos behind behind modern

43:10

society and yeah there are some good things to come out of that um you know

43:13

the hospital the healthcare side of the trauma and that kind of thing is it's

43:17

been fantastic but a lot of it is is just pointing the finger at shareholders

43:23

and constant growth that companies need to have to satisfy shareholders with

43:26

certainly and and and that's what's driving you know processed foods is the

43:30

the need to you know decrease costs increase sales

43:34

and get it out there and it's it's just so wrong and it's it's one of those

43:38

things that has been kind of hidden um amongst you know General life but if you

43:45

just think about it and think about oh yeah we've evolved with these foods for

43:49

the hundreds of thousands of years and suddenly we're pumping chemicals and all

43:53

kinds of rubbish and it's really you know low in nutrients of course it's

43:57

going to have an effect of course it's gonna have a knock-on effect like that's

44:00

um it's crazy and it's sometimes it's really banging your head against a brick

44:04

wall I think oh my God what but it is really easy to do as well it's really

44:08

easy to go at the shop and buy a frozen pizza rather than go out and shoot a

44:13

rabbit or grow your own vegetables so it's I think it's just something that's

44:17

that that there's going to be people who've got to be made aware of more and

44:21

so they can make their own choices on it well then for someone like me or

44:23

probably our listeners who love travel and want to be adventurers how can we

44:28

balance the desire to experience different cultures and Cuisines with the

44:32

need to be mindful of that environmental impact yeah that's a good point I think

44:36

you know air travel is obviously a big one as well so you know I don't think

44:40

there's an answer to it at the moment yeah traveling is is important and

44:45

migration and stuff is what people have been yeah that's part of the human

44:48

psyche is is traveling and it would be great if we didn't have to rely on on

44:52

money so we could we could make our way to Greenland or these exotic places over

44:57

the course of a few months or in a sale break or so it would be fantastic but

45:01

life makes it pretty much impossible to happen so I think you just got to be

45:06

super aware of it and if you can mitigate it and I know you can you can

45:11

buy Offset you know you can't offset your carbon load and all this kind of

45:15

stuff but yeah if you dig that beneath the surface on that it takes decades for

45:19

it for any kind of sequestering to happen if you do a plant a tree scheme

45:23

or anything like that so it is difficult and it is something I struggle with like

45:27

flying to Greenland but then if you're doing something good when you're there

45:31

like why is it raising awareness or I'll be kayaking so I'm not relying on any

45:34

diesel or fossil fuels what once I'm there and hopefully if I can get a

45:38

message out there and and assist in that way then that's great that that might be

45:43

just justifying it to myself though you know it probably is just better to stay

45:47

in in your own home country and then have a look at what your air travel is

45:53

contributing to it and again and it may be me justifying it but if you weigh

45:57

that up against these companies pumping out Millions times more than what I'll

46:02

be taking up on the plane then that's that's another way I justify it but it

46:06

is difficult and flying to these these areas and I don't think there's a

46:11

there's a clear answer for it as well because if you're bringing that message

46:13

to to people and you can make a slight difference to 10 people then that again

46:17

that that will make a a bigger difference than than your brain flight

46:22

as well well I think so many people just don't think about it you know and I

46:25

think just acknowledging it and being aware is just a huge step anyway yeah

46:29

yeah absolutely yeah it's just one of those things that you've there's got to

46:33

be ingrained in you and and it's become that way over here in England you know

46:37

Recycling and stuff 15 20 years ago didn't happen but people are yeah yeah

46:41

you expect it now it's just one of those things but it does take a long time to

46:44

kind of sink into the psyche and but I think that's accelerating now with

46:47

people are getting increasingly aware of corrupt governments and just helping out

46:52

governments giving huge great grants and the contracts to to their mates yeah you

46:57

know big business I think people are a lot more aware now that it's just about

47:01

the bottom line to these guys and and there are huge movements do it

47:08

really good so I think I think it's coming but we'll see if it's in time

47:11

yeah well I certainly hope so yeah on that note have you always been

47:15

environmentally conscious or was there sort of an event that triggered it where

47:19

did this sort of mindfulness in you come from yes good question um I think it's

47:24

come from I have had it a a long time yeah and I think it's come from chefing

47:29

and being aware of the waste and then you question everything you know you you

47:33

question why why these rules are there don't just blindly accept it which you

47:38

do as a kid you just believe in the authority of government but as you get

47:42

older you think these guys they're now younger than me they clearly don't know

47:46

what they're doing they're just making that as they go along like most of us

47:50

right but they've never acknowledge that it's always that you have this kind of

47:54

omnipresent authority figure that you you always relied on when you're a kid

47:58

and you think oh yeah it yeah it will never be bad because they'll sort you

48:02

out and it'll be they'll look after us and it'll be okay but I think

48:04

increasingly that's that's shown not to be the case so so I think I think I've

48:09

always questioned why things need to be done not in a belligerent pain in the

48:14

backside way right but just okay so what happens if you eat that bread that's

48:19

just got a little bit of mold on or a big thing for me actually was was

48:24

um the process of making salami and cured meats here in the UK I wanted to

48:27

make salami and the environmental health you know according to their regulations

48:31

and paperwork it can it couldn't be done and they said right you can't keep it

48:35

out of temperature you can't keep it at 10 or 11 degrees for any amount of time

48:39

because that's that's not how it's done what you've got Palmer House you've got

48:44

all these amazing cured meats on the continent in Europe so how have they

48:48

done it so how is that a thing over there and no one's Dying by the millions

48:52

you know eating that don't care it's just can't be done you've got to keep it

48:55

in the fridge and so that got me down the whole kind of rabbit um whole of

48:59

looking at fridges and why why fridges be used and then you you just scratch

49:04

beneath the surface and and fridges have only you know in the last it's only

49:08

really in the last two generations you know that in I think 1963 in England

49:12

only five percent of domestic households had a fridge so I was like wow that's

49:17

that's that's you can always touch that I wasn't long after I was born and it's

49:22

um it's crazy it's absolutely so what were we doing before then we were

49:26

fermenting we were preserving stuff we had much more community and we were much

49:30

more community-minded so instead of getting everything into that one

49:33

household we relied on to take 10 households and they had a community Peak

49:36

but down the road grew potatoes and we grew beetroot so we swapped occasionally

49:40

and they're barted right and it's something we need to get back into

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because the way we've done it for hundreds of thousands of years is what's

49:47

good for us you know evolutionary and and for our physiology so constantly

49:51

question stuff which I think is is happening a lot more now with with

49:55

what's going on in the news and it can only be a healthy thing and then get

49:59

back to that Community thing and if you can set up 10 people or 10 households

50:03

and say okay we've all got small gardens but you grow potatoes you grow tomatoes

50:08

and we'll just barter it or like we like us here we're going to get a couple of

50:12

pigs and we'll get a scheme here and everyone will put chip in 10 or 20

50:16

pounds or whatever and when we come to slaughter the paper but we'll chop it up

50:20

and everyone gets a tenth of the pick um yeah which is which is which is great

50:24

and you know it's been fed organically um it's had a really really good life it

50:29

hasn't been packed up into you know crates in a factory farm and had a

50:33

really rubbish life and effectively be tortured until it until it dies wow um

50:38

yeah just and just ask questions always look into the the provenance of your

50:42

food where it's come from how it's produced and just don't just because it

50:45

says you know honeysuckle Farm on the label it doesn't mean it comes from this

50:49

idyllic beautiful pastoral picture it probably means it's just a marketing

50:54

tool by the supermarket or whatever and it's been produced by the millions fed

50:57

full of antibiotics and rubbish rubbish life and it's actually not that great

51:01

for you so yeah a good guideline for Life anyway just question things you

51:06

know don't accept things blindly here yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure I like that

51:10

well so Mike are you going to be documenting your adventure and where can

51:15

people find that right um I'm Mike king.co that's my website

51:19

I'll have a um a live tracker or one of my devices will have a live tracker and

51:24

there'll be a map on the website so you can track where I am going up the coast

51:27

I've got a whole bunch of kind of GoPros and a drone and I'll be taking loads of

51:31

footage as I go so there's normally pretty good reception nearly all the way

51:34

up the coast as well I've got a greenlandic phone so I'll be posting on

51:37

Instagram which is my clean Cooks I'll be on uh and that also it goes to my

51:42

Facebook which again is that my Keane Cooks that'll be find it on there quite

51:46

an interesting development is I've got a Norwegian film maker who will be turning

51:51

into the documentary which is really exciting and so we've got a green edit

51:56

videographer who's gonna be hopping on a boat and kind of following me for half a

51:59

day at once every 10 or 12 days and they'll be using my footage from the

52:04

Drone and the GoPros right how cool and and doing that so yeah so watch this

52:08

space everything I do will be on the website anyway so you're going to find

52:12

out about that but hopefully yeah the documentary will be touted around film

52:16

festivals um in the new year

52:19

um so fingers crossed for that one because that would be great that's

52:21

excellent I'm excited for that we'll have links to all of that in the show

52:23

notes of course so anyone listening to this episode will be able to click on

52:27

those and go right over and check it out yeah but I'm super excited to see it and

52:32

to see your pictures and your videos and yeah well I'd love to come back on if

52:35

you have me yeah afterwards and let you know what happens yeah absolutely if I

52:41

don't get here by a bear it's a plan I would love to hear on it brilliant

52:47

stuff well thanks for having me thank you so much Mike I'm glad we finally got

52:51

the chance to do this yeah great we had a bit of uh some troubles before but I'm

52:54

glad we finally made it work it was a blast me too absolutely you will be back

52:58

on I would love to hear the recap brilliant when you're done I'll be there

53:01

all right thank you so much you take care sir all right

53:09

I'm gonna be very excited to follow him on his journey and uh I've already told

53:15

him after he gets back I'd love to have him back on to kind of talk about how

53:18

things went oh yeah definitures that he had there did he run into a polar bear

53:23

or a whale I certainly hope not a polar whale oh

53:28

yes a whale bear a roller bear a back bear

53:36

it just sounds gross I don't know what that is I don't like

53:40

it but yeah awesome just just an awesome dude ladies and Gentlemen please go

53:46

check out my Keen give them all your support he's a really awesome guy and

53:50

just what he's doing and what he stands for is just just great just awesome Yep

53:56

links in the show notes to all of that yes to everything all right and now you

54:00

ready to move on to our favorite segment which is adventures in the news yes sir

54:06

this I wouldn't necessarily call this an adventure but adventures in the news

54:10

often is just funny news true Michael you know what I say when I say the Texas

54:15

stop sign do you know what I'm referring to actually I I don't know if I you

54:20

don't do I mean I don't drive very often to be honest Dairy Queen oh stop sign

54:26

gotcha this is a story that involves Dairy Queen and if you get a Blizzard at

54:31

Dairy Queen they turn it upside down it comes with a big red spoon ah okay now I

54:37

see where I see where this is going okay an Arizona Dairy Queen had its Big Red

54:42

Spoon that was on the outside of the restaurant stolen how

54:48

the sign is it not like it is part of the sign right so it's built into the

54:53

side of it and somebody stole it this is not a little spoon it's

54:58

like stealing the golden arches yeah it'd be like stealing the McDonald's

55:01

golden arches and so it was found around 7 A.M two miles away from the scene of

55:08

the heist they're calling it a heist it didn't get very far that's how do they

55:13

get in why did they just dump it I would keep it I mean if you're gonna go

55:17

through all that trouble keep yeah really like you could just put it in

55:20

your living room that is so funny yeah say you've had a few too many right you

55:24

know adult beverages that's the only thing that makes sense in this scenario

55:27

so you had a few too many adult beverages you don't really know what

55:31

you're doing and you wake up and you have the Dairy Queen giant spoon you

55:36

panic yes but don't you just keep it it's kind of like it's kind of you know

55:43

when there's like art heists and these famous paintings like uh the scream

55:47

which has gone missing once you have it though you don't dare display it what's

55:52

the point right you have it but you can't have it like you can't display you

55:56

can't have it showing you have to have it in some secret room in your Mansion

56:00

right for people that have your own private right so do you have to build

56:04

like a special secret like room for this where only like your

56:09

trusted friends that come over for a billionaire party get to look at it like

56:14

you pull down the book on the bookshelf and the bookshelf swings back and it's a

56:17

secret room with the big spoon inside of it the big spoon and the scream I would

56:22

get both it's really just someone who's got all the famous paintings he wants

56:26

and now he's just off like he has the McDonald's he's like the golden arches

56:29

and remember when that golden toilet was stolen a couple years ago yes it's like

56:33

that and that's in there too just all the dumb stuff people have stolen like

56:38

that shark that somebody oh yeah someone saw is still a shark but you know I'm

56:43

thinking about the spoon I would like if I woke up and it was like in my living

56:47

room right I mean what do you don't go turn yourself in at that point it's not

56:52

a big enough deal to feel guilty about I would say maybe a little guilty like a

56:56

little bit but more like a what was I doing kind of thing then be more

57:00

confused than anything I I think yeah I feel like you're gonna get in a lot more

57:04

trouble if you like went back or like hey I stole your

57:09

then you're gonna get like charges but if you just keep the spoon you have a

57:14

secret it's like the Frat houses with the road signs you know oh yeah or if

57:19

you grew up in Texas did you ever have a Whataburger they have a little wood

57:23

table numbers I know what you're talking about I don't I don't possess one I do

57:26

not have one no but I don't know what you mean the table like number where

57:30

they bring you your order yes I do have a no smoking sign from a hotel that I

57:35

didn't mean to steal it just somehow ended up in my luggage and I was

57:38

unpacking after this trip and I was like huh but no smoking something it's a

57:42

little metal like a little stainless steel you know what I do I do have

57:46

um chilies used to bring you their Skillet queso in an actual hot Skillet

57:50

right and it had a little handle cover with little Chili Peppers on it I have

57:55

one of those I don't know how I got it come to think of it I think my roommates

57:59

and I did one time have a heist where we each procured a set of silverware from

58:04

the dining hall and I'm pretty sure the statue of limitations is over now

58:08

statute statute of limitations for stealing silverware which actually is um

58:16

okay it's fine now you're good if the property is below 950 you may only have

58:21

one year to file misdemeanor charge of some more serious cases for your statute

58:24

of college for over 10 years it's fine um oh you are good you can you can

58:28

finally clear your conscience and I took a spoon and a fork we all did and we

58:33

made a blood pact never to speak of it but the statute of limitations is over

58:36

and it's uh they can only try you in civil court now

58:41

you're going to get a letter from Baylor I have more than given them the price of

58:46

a spoon so we're even it wasn't even a Baylor spoon

58:51

we just we just needed them you just needed silverware

58:57

I did have a friend that would go you know they have the milk dispenser yes

59:03

she had a gallon jug that she bought one time and just would refill the gallon

59:07

jug with milk she eventually downstairs to a half gallon because you don't know

59:10

how long the milk's Gonna Last and you know the thing is in college No One's

59:13

Gonna question that everyone's like yeah why not everyone looks like you're like

59:17

it's a good idea I should do that but anyway that's of interest to the news

59:21

well that's funny you're right okay Texas stop sign I I am I do understand

59:24

what you mean by that um it is the only time I go to Dairy

59:28

Queen and I like Dairy Queen I do too but have you ever just been at home and

59:31

be like I want Dairy Queen no it's only when you're driving somewhere on a road

59:35

trip and they're all exactly the same on the inside oh yeah and the thing is now

59:39

they have the DQ Grill and Chill and they're not as good they're all fancy

59:42

and like clean Dairy Queen shouldn't be clean No it should be everything should

59:46

be sticky a little bit sticky yeah like the tables all have to be either sticky

59:51

or wet and the floor has to 100 be kind of sticky yeah yeah your shoes have to

59:55

go like and it's either it's either run by very very friendly like elderly people or

1:00:02

really like over it like 15 year olds yeah there's no in between

1:00:06

true the food and everything else is the exact same no matter what you know it's

1:00:11

hilarious there's Dairy Queen in Bangkok at all the malls I'm like this is not

1:00:16

right Dairy Queen shouldn't be at a shopping mall it needs to be on some

1:00:18

little like abandoned Road where it's the only place to stop for like 50 miles

1:00:22

so if any out there I've never had Dairy Queen seek one out you will not be

1:00:27

disappointed you will not or maybe you will but I don't really care because

1:00:31

disappointed if you dine in if you just get a blizzard to go you'll be you'll be

1:00:35

happy you will be disappointed if you expect anything other than kind of

1:00:40

sticky everything's it's like um

1:00:45

Dairy Queen is to McDonald's what Waffle House is to like Denny's

1:00:51

IHOP it's better but also worse do you think

1:00:56

yeah well okay I was gonna say do you really think Waffle House is better than

1:01:00

IHOP I do do you really I do the only reason I'm not on the IHOP train really

1:01:05

is about that one time that they refuse to give us our free meal after the rain

1:01:10

that was Denny's are you sure it was Danny's Grand Slam because we we went to

1:01:15

a Rangers game we went to denny's afterwards and he would not give us our

1:01:19

two free Grand Slams because we were in the sitting at the same table and we're

1:01:22

like we're paying separately I'm like that is easily verifiable sir

1:01:29

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