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started trying to crack arguments between her

6:02

and her friends and slowly

6:04

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6:06

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6:08

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6:12

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6:14

He used his own son. He used

6:16

his own son for the voice on the other end

6:19

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6:21

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6:23

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6:25

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6:29

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6:31

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6:37

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6:40

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6:42

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6:46

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6:49

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6:51

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6:53

just like meeting any other

6:56

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6:59

meeting her other friend's parents. And then as

7:01

time went by, he started

7:04

talking to Carly online as well

7:06

with the persona of Brandon.

7:09

So I have no idea how he

7:11

managed this, but I do know he

7:13

made multiple fake profiles to

7:16

convince us that Brandon was

7:18

real. So he made a

7:20

fake profile of Brandon's so-called brother,

7:23

friends. He

7:25

created this extraordinary web

7:27

of lies to entrap

7:29

her and to essentially

7:31

deceive me. So

7:34

anyway, he contacted and called and said

7:36

that he was coming through Adelaide and

7:38

he would love to drop some presents

7:41

off for Carly's birthday and that

7:43

Brandon wouldn't be able to come because he had prior

7:46

engagement and he really wanted his

7:48

dad to drop off these presents for Carly.

7:51

Carly was so excited and I said, well, I

7:53

don't really want him coming to our house or meeting

7:56

him in the main street of our town. We met

7:58

him in the main street of our house. of

8:00

our town and I

8:02

took his ID, the

8:06

license plate and everything like that just to be sure.

8:09

And then after conversation he

8:11

came back to our place, interacted

8:14

with my entire family. So

8:16

he was around for a couple of days and

8:18

the mask slipped at some stage, didn't it? Yeah,

8:21

it was just that when Brandon would call,

8:23

so it must have been his son who

8:25

was calling, he was

8:27

very heavily involved in, I

8:29

was noticing that he was

8:32

really interactive between Carly and

8:34

Brandon. And there

8:36

was one point where Gary said to

8:38

Carly, oh, Brandon's on the phone for

8:40

me. She said, not now, it's my

8:42

birthday party I'll call him later. And

8:44

he got really mad. And I saw

8:46

him physically get furious

8:48

in the hallway. And I was

8:52

like, okay, something is not right here.

8:54

Sort of my mumma alert went off.

8:57

I told him to leave, he

8:59

got really angry and grabbed some

9:01

stuff. And that was a point where

9:03

I felt unsafe. He

9:06

left and I sat down and

9:08

explained to Carly, there

9:10

is something off with this man. I

9:12

don't know what it is, but something

9:14

is really concerning me. I'm really sorry,

9:16

but you're not going to be able

9:18

to have any more conversations or communication

9:21

with Brandon and his father. And

9:23

I took her phone away from her when she

9:25

wasn't looking at it, actually hit it. And

9:28

that was the end of that, as far as

9:30

I was concerned. What I didn't

9:32

realise is that, of course, then he would

9:35

continue to call on the landline when I

9:37

was at home. Ultimately,

9:39

you know, he kept

9:41

that connection going. And he would

9:44

post, he posted things like telephone

9:47

credit and things like that. How

9:50

long was Carly

9:52

secretly still in touch with

9:54

Brandon? It was like literally because her

9:56

birthday was on the 31st of January and

9:58

she was married on February. the 20th.

10:01

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10:03

of sensed that he was losing her

10:05

through you and really stepped up? Yeah

10:07

well to in his words to

10:10

his son that was included in the

10:12

trial that he wanted to fix her

10:14

up. You know he in his sick

10:16

twisted mind you know obviously

10:18

he wanted to sexually abuse

10:21

Carly and when she rejected him

10:23

and didn't want him her focus

10:25

was obviously the son

10:27

not a 50 year

10:30

old man then he was

10:32

infuriated and asked both of

10:34

his sons to help him. One son said

10:36

no the other said okay let's

10:38

go and so they jumped in a

10:40

vehicle and came to South Australia. And

10:44

told Carly that Brandon was coming

10:46

that she was finally gonna meet

10:48

Brandon Kane in person. Yep yep

10:50

and not to tell mum. Don't

10:53

tell mum we're having a fight

10:55

don't worry we'll sort things out with you mum

10:58

but you know Brandon obviously said

11:00

he really wanted to see her and and you know

11:02

we'll figure it out with your mum after but come

11:05

and meet us. She came to

11:07

me she said mum I want to go and meet my friends down

11:09

in the city you know so I

11:11

gave her some money and I said okay that's

11:13

fine. She said I might stay at my friend's

11:15

house I'll let you know. She had

11:17

her phone I'll let you know what happened so

11:20

I'll talk to her mum and dad. I'm like

11:22

okay no worries. So you know I had no

11:24

idea it was just the same old thing

11:27

that would just happen all the time and

11:30

she just ran off to Veranda and said love

11:32

you you know just happy go lucky you know

11:35

and I said love you too and that was

11:37

the last we spoke to each other yeah

11:39

that was the last time I saw

11:42

my daughter alive. She

11:44

went down to the

11:46

bus stop and they picked her, Gary knew me

11:49

and their son picked him up in their vehicle

11:51

and they drove I'm not sure where they went

11:53

but they ended up in Port Elliot which

11:56

was our sort of family beach and

11:59

they were seen

12:01

on CCTV footage

12:04

walking around that coastal town.

12:07

Carly obviously felt safe there because,

12:09

you know, her grandmother lived there.

12:13

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12:15

point they attacked her and

12:18

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12:20

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12:22

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12:24

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12:26

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12:29

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12:32

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12:37

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15:02

was it obvious? It was the only person

15:04

that it could have been. You

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know, he was trying to say it wasn't premeditated.

15:08

Well, of course it was. There were gloves that

15:11

he used. And I mean, it was very premeditated

15:13

for his son to dye his

15:15

hair. So he looked like Brandon,

15:17

you know, the perfect Brandon and

15:20

present himself to Carly in that way. You

15:23

know, the details, and I'm not going to go into them

15:25

all because it's really difficult for me and I don't want

15:28

to sit in that trauma. It's

15:31

not healthy for me. But

15:33

what I will say is the details were

15:35

absolutely shocking. The evidence, and you can imagine

15:37

if it took them three years to gather

15:40

enough, like all the evidence for the trial,

15:42

you can imagine what came to light. It

15:44

was horrific. And then

15:46

of course, once we went to trial, it was about

15:48

three months. Unfortunately

15:50

his son was acquitted because of all the

15:52

evidence pointed to the father, Gary Newman, and

15:55

the son's full admission wasn't included

15:57

in the trial because he wasn't

15:59

legally represented at the time of his admission.

16:03

However, Gary knew he was sentenced to

16:05

life imprisonment with a 29 year

16:07

non parole period. And you

16:10

said his son went on to offend? So,

16:12

you know, everybody thought that, you know, the

16:14

poor son and, you know,

16:16

it was all the dad that coerced him into

16:18

being part of it because he was only 17

16:20

at the time, or no. And

16:22

he went on to rape 13 girls

16:24

under the age of 16 in

16:26

Victoria and received a 35

16:29

month sentence. 35 months? There

16:32

was nothing I can do about it because his

16:34

name is suppressed. He

16:36

was acquitted of Carly's murder. So that is

16:38

something that I've had to hand over to

16:40

detectives. So,

16:42

yes, she suffered horribly. That's

16:46

something that I have to live

16:48

with for the rest of my life. And

16:52

one of the reasons why I do what

16:54

I do now, because I've seen the suffering,

16:56

you know, I had to identify her, I

16:58

saw the suffering in her body and

17:00

it was horrific. And so,

17:02

you know, the idea of that happening to another

17:05

innocent child, to, you know, a

17:07

child that's just looking for connection and

17:09

love online is something that,

17:11

you know, I just

17:14

can't, you know, sit back and do

17:16

nothing about. The

17:19

foundation is amazing. The Carly

17:21

Ryan Foundation. I

17:23

mean, your energy has yielded real

17:25

results. Thankfully, you know, I

17:27

think again, people underestimate the

17:29

power of love and

17:32

that's really what's driven her legacy. And,

17:35

you know, so we incorporated the Carly Ryan

17:37

Foundation in 2010 and

17:39

just proceeded to create an

17:42

education program, a national education

17:44

program to create

17:46

awareness around this crime type and

17:49

to teach students and parents how to

17:51

be safe online, essentially.

17:53

And it's just really grown and evolved.

17:55

And I've been really involved in, you

17:58

know, the very first CyberSafe program. of

18:00

December in Canberra. And

18:02

then slowly but surely, things

18:04

started to move and more and more

18:07

legislative amendments started to happen then. And

18:10

then of course, we came up with

18:12

Carly's Law, which essentially makes an offence

18:14

for a person to misrepresent their age

18:16

and identity to a minor online under

18:18

the age of 16 and

18:21

prepare to meet with them. So,

18:23

you know, that was really important. You know,

18:25

we have fraud laws in the community. So

18:28

for a person to falsify their identity

18:30

and age to a minor online is

18:33

fraud. And so it should be

18:35

a criminal offence. So what

18:38

do we do? What do we do as parents

18:40

if we suspect that our child is

18:42

talking to somebody online who is not who

18:44

they are saying they are? What number do

18:47

we call? What website? Where do we go to report

18:49

that, to try and have that looked

18:51

into? How does it work? Well, of

18:54

course you can come to the Carly

18:56

Ryan Foundation at info at carlyryanfoundation.com and

18:58

we can support. Also

19:01

esafety.gov.au, really

19:03

good resource for the Australian community.

19:06

Lots of great information and

19:08

reporting mechanisms, as well

19:11

as the Australian Centre to Counter Child

19:13

Exploitation, so there's ACE, A-C-C-C-E.gov.au.

19:18

And they would be the top reporting mechanisms

19:20

for these crime types. And what I would

19:23

say is, you know, make

19:25

sure you're saying to your kids, hey, there's nothing that's

19:27

ever so bad online that you can't come to me.

19:29

I'm not just gonna cut the internet off. We'll

19:32

work on this together and figure out a solution

19:34

on what we need to do. Because often kids

19:36

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19:38

away and to move on. And

19:40

that's the biggest problem, is when we

19:42

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19:44

come to their parents or their carers,

19:47

or the people, the adults in their life. So we

19:49

need to make sure they've got someone they can open

19:51

up to. And that person isn't

19:53

gonna respond in anger, but is

19:55

gonna respond in, okay, let's make a plan. What can we

19:58

do here? And if I don't know what to do, do,

20:00

then we're going to go to somebody who

20:02

can, like the Carly Ryan Foundation, like the

20:04

Office of the Safety Commissioner, like the ACE.

20:13

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20:16

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20:18

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20:20

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