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Hey guys, I'm Rachel and I'm Allie

0:02

and welcome you guys to a very

0:04

special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour. Very

0:07

special edition it is Allie because normally

0:09

when we bring you a new podcast, we bring it to you every

0:11

week. But sometimes if something

0:14

big happens, which is what we promised you, when we have

0:16

breaking news, we will bring it to you. And that's

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what we're bringing to you right now in this extra

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special edition. Rachel is in New York,

0:22

so she's calling in. Hey Rach. Yeah, Allie,

0:25

I could not miss this. I know. I

0:27

know. I knew that you all have so many

0:29

questions about Jed and the

0:32

Hannah situation and we wanted to get

0:34

answers for you guys. So we decided instead

0:36

of waiting until next week for our podcast,

0:38

we were going to have this special, I

0:40

guess we like to say emergency edition of

0:43

Bachelor Happy Hour so you guys can get your

0:45

questions answered. Jed flew

0:48

in last night to Los Angeles and

0:51

he is coming. He's sitting down

0:53

with us. He's sitting, actually, he's sitting right across from

0:55

me right now. So let me not talk about him like he's

0:57

in the third person. Jed, welcome to our podcast.

0:59

Thank

0:59

you so much for being here. Thank you all so much for having

1:02

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1:04

you're tired. We know you're exhausted. We

1:06

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1:08

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1:10

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1:10

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Okay, so I think first, just to start it off,

2:56

what

3:00

do you want people to know right now?

3:04

I think the main thing really

3:06

is just how sorry I

3:09

am. You know, I've just really

3:12

had time to think about the

3:15

things that have happened and how

3:18

Hannah has felt and I'm

3:21

very remorseful and ultimately just want

3:26

to become a better person because of all this

3:29

and that's really my main thing

3:31

right now. But Jed, I

3:34

saw your interview on GMA, we

3:36

watched it. We saw you on

3:38

AFR where you apologized and

3:41

I feel like that that's what we've gotten from you. You seem very

3:43

sincere, you seem very remorseful about

3:45

the whole situation and how it went down and

3:48

we understand that. Absolutely. I

3:50

feel like

3:51

there's more to it. We've

3:54

heard you apologize but we haven't heard

3:56

your side of the story and we

3:59

really want to give you.

3:59

a chance for you to just speak

4:02

freely and tell your side of

4:04

what happened because I don't think anybody's heard it to this

4:06

point. And Jed too, I want to say, I

4:09

want you to feel comfortable in this situation because

4:11

I feel for you. Oh my goodness, like

4:14

you have been through, like I, what you did

4:16

obviously was wrong. You know that, right? You've apologized

4:19

for it very sincerely, I believe.

4:22

And I don't even fault you for going on the show for your music.

4:24

I've been very vocal about this since the

4:26

notion that people go on the show because they

4:29

want to have a

4:29

good time. Nobody goes on the show thinking they're going

4:32

to fall in love. And then they do and they're like, oh my gosh,

4:34

this works. I can't believe it works. So I don't fault

4:36

you. If I had a music career right now and the bachelor

4:38

asked me to come on, I'd be like to my husband, hey,

4:40

can you just hang tight? Because I'm going to go on

4:42

the bachelor. So I don't even fault

4:44

you for that. But that's

4:47

what I think. I think like,

4:48

what, like, where do you feel like it kind of

4:50

all really messed up, really

4:53

got messed up for you? Like just talk us through

4:55

all of it.

4:56

Yeah. So like I told Hannah,

4:59

you know, I did show up because

5:01

I knew it was a platform. I knew that

5:04

it

5:05

had a lot of opportunities for adventure.

5:08

And then coming out of it, you know, all the people

5:10

that I've seen seem like they have like a pretty amazing

5:12

life. So that was all very

5:14

intriguing to me. I was reached

5:17

out to do the show. I didn't sign up. And

5:22

I just really felt like it was something

5:24

I was supposed to do. It just landed in my lap.

5:27

And you know, once

5:29

I was there and I saw how

5:32

emotional Hannah was and how passionate

5:34

she was about the whole thing, it

5:36

kind of hit me. I was like, I can remember it. I

5:39

believe it was like within the second week

5:41

that, you know, this is real.

5:44

This is a real person. Though I don't know her that well,

5:46

we haven't had much time to talk. I can

5:48

see that her heart really is in this. And

5:51

that was kind of the turning point for me that I was like, you know

5:54

what? I want to really

5:56

investigate this more. And you

5:58

know, going forward, I could feel

5:59

myself falling, so I wanted to be honest

6:02

with her.

6:02

And if that meant her sending me home

6:05

immediately, then so be it. But I wanted

6:07

her to know the honest truth

6:10

as to why I showed up. And

6:13

going forward,

6:15

people ask me now,

6:17

you were so honest about that, why weren't

6:20

you honest about the whole Hailey

6:22

situation? In

6:25

my head,

6:26

I had more closure than Hailey. I

6:29

felt like we had a conversation

6:31

on the phone once I landed in LA and we knew that I

6:33

was stepping into a very unforeseen

6:36

future and that anything

6:39

could happen. We had talked about all the variables

6:41

and be

6:43

that like if they wanted me to be the bachelor or something

6:46

or paradise or anything, falling

6:48

in love. It was all discussed and understood that

6:50

who knows.

6:51

Right. That's

6:54

a great quote. I love that you just shared that

6:56

because then let's

6:58

look at the I love you right before. So is that like a

7:00

goodbye I love you?

7:01

Yeah, I

7:04

really did care for Hailey. You know,

7:06

we had a great time together. Obviously

7:10

going on the show, there was not stable

7:12

ground to actually commit to

7:14

an exclusive relationship together. Like

7:16

we just we never did that. So

7:18

I

7:20

mean, I did love her. I did care

7:22

for her.

7:23

She's a great person. I would not talk bad

7:25

about her. There's nothing bad to be said. But

7:28

in my head, we had more closure than I think

7:32

she did. I felt like we had more closure

7:34

than I guess she did. So you

7:36

know, going into the journey,

7:38

it wasn't crossing my mind because

7:41

you know, I felt like we

7:43

understood that anything

7:45

could happen. Yeah, I mean, obviously

7:48

go ahead, Rachel. Well, I just want to ask

7:50

you this just piggybacking on what you

7:52

mentioned before. When you left that note

7:54

to Hailey and you make comments

7:56

that are like,

7:57

you know where where my heart will be.

8:00

be and I'll see you at the dock. That

8:02

sounds like you're trying to return,

8:04

you plan on returning to her. So

8:07

if that's how you left her, how do you

8:09

explain that? What does that mean?

8:11

I think actually I know

8:13

I was just really. Kind

8:17

of talking out of my ass. I don't, I don't really know

8:19

why I

8:21

would say something like that when, you

8:24

know, I didn't know what I was getting into at all. Like

8:26

I had not watched. Collectively,

8:29

I've probably seen maybe three episodes of the show

8:31

in my life. I had

8:33

no idea what I was getting into

8:35

and you know, just,

8:38

I thought I was showing up for

8:40

a platform and then I met Hannah and completely

8:43

fell in love.

8:44

And I was like, you know, wow,

8:46

this was like completely unexpected.

8:48

So.

8:49

But Jen, I'm sorry.

8:52

So I'll just preface this by saying I

8:54

don't agree with Ali. I

8:57

have a different view of how

8:59

I interpret the situation. Sure. And

9:01

so when you say I too,

9:03

as well did not watch the show before

9:06

I was on it, but I understood that

9:08

the concept of the show, which I'm, I'm

9:10

sure you did too, as well, right,

9:13

you understood that how the show works.

9:16

For the, for the most part,

9:19

I thought I understood, but you

9:21

know, it's one of those things that

9:24

want even, even if you think

9:26

you get it, once you're there, it's a completely different

9:29

situation.

9:30

And I get that. You know, the show is

9:32

about people finding love at the

9:34

end of the day. You did know that, right?

9:38

Go ahead, Jen.

9:38

Yeah, absolutely. Like I

9:40

could see that entirely, but it's like,

9:42

I had no idea

9:45

that it would actually be possible

9:47

in that setting. Like it

9:49

just, when you, when even with watching,

9:52

like I didn't watch the show much because to me,

9:54

it didn't seem real. Like when you watch

9:56

the edits and you see how people act

9:59

and

9:59

It looks like it looks fake

10:03

and I had people in my ear prior to the show

10:05

telling me It's scripted

10:07

that there's gonna be people coming

10:09

at you trying to fight you on night one Like

10:11

I had all these variables going through my head. I

10:13

had literally no idea what I was getting

10:15

into So I'm

10:17

and I think that's fair. Jed like I

10:20

will say and I you know That

10:23

I went on the show thinking it was BS Like

10:26

I didn't think that I was actually I mean I did fall

10:28

in love with Jason Meznick story again This is way back in the day,

10:31

but like again did not I think most

10:34

people

10:35

Don't go on the show for love and that's the truth.

10:37

That's my honest opinion. So I I truly

10:39

don't fault you for it And

10:42

I think that's interesting. I think a lot of viewers watch the

10:44

show and wonder is it scripted? Is it fake and

10:46

it's not but you don't realize that until

10:48

you get there You don't realize that the emotions are real

10:50

the feelings are real. So I feel that I

10:52

think Jed for me like I have been in Maybe

10:56

people get mad at me for this I've actually been quite

10:58

a cheerleader for you you like in

11:00

terms of I don't blame you for going on the show for

11:03

music I when you came out with that information to

11:05

Hannah. I was like heck. Yes. Finally. Somebody

11:07

says the truth They didn't come on the show for love.

11:10

So I actually really appreciated that I think

11:12

for me where all sort of

11:14

fell apart was I know

11:17

you say you didn't want to tell Hannah out of fear,

11:19

but when You had

11:22

to have realized when the information came

11:24

out at that point The

11:26

fear is kind of out the window I mean

11:29

So why then still were you

11:31

sort of not being completely because even when you sat down with

11:33

her not after the final rose before that I

11:36

feel like you were trying to talk your way around

11:38

it. That

11:38

was one of the hardest conversations

11:40

I've had in my life and if

11:43

it seemed like I was dancing around anything it was simply

11:45

because there were cameras in my face

11:47

and

11:48

I'm sitting there with someone that I wanted to spend the rest of my

11:50

life with feeling like it's falling

11:52

apart and Not

11:55

knowing how to handle it. It was just

11:57

so much. Did you not watch it?

12:00

I've I couldn't to

12:02

be honest. I couldn't do it. I mean this

12:04

has all been So much and

12:07

especially going into you know

12:09

it was first aired

12:11

when You know right

12:13

before I went to after the final rose,

12:15

and I was in my trailer So I couldn't

12:17

watch it live, so I just walked

12:20

in there kind of blind

12:21

Yeah, I mean I think we saw some emotion You know you said

12:23

I don't want to cry and we saw a few tears But

12:25

I think what we really wanted

12:27

to see like as a viewer right

12:30

um was you're fighting For

12:33

the woman that you love in that point do

12:35

you feel you gave it your all to save

12:38

that relationship?

12:39

Absolutely, I mean I had let her know

12:42

That I would you know do anything I would come

12:44

to LA to Alabama I would have done

12:46

like literally anything to sit down and have a conversation

12:48

with her and this is you know prior

12:51

to

12:52

Or this is after the where

12:55

she broke the engagement Leading

12:58

up to that point she didn't want to talk

13:00

she needed space and I understood that so

13:03

I mean I would have done literally anything

13:06

Yeah, did did your family your

13:08

family had to have known about Haley right? Yeah,

13:11

I mean they knew

13:13

Exactly what we were and they knew

13:15

that it was not a relationship. They knew they

13:17

knew Like

13:19

oh

13:19

Cuz I assume maybe

13:21

when during your hometown that the reason

13:23

they were hesitant is cuz they're like well wait He was just in

13:25

another relationship like did your sister your mom or anybody

13:28

off-camera say hey whoa you were

13:30

just in a relationship

13:31

No, the only thing they were saying to me off-camera

13:33

was is this real do you really feel this way? They

13:36

were just skeptical to the whole Like

13:38

there's cameras around there's lights. There's

13:41

people running around our house. I

13:43

walk in with a girl I'm throwing

13:46

head over heels

13:48

About and they were just

13:51

totally blown away. It wasn't I

13:53

like when I watch back on that Especially

13:56

with the whole Haley thing coming out. I can see where

13:59

people would say they knew or it

14:02

felt like they were

14:04

acting the way they did because of

14:07

that. And that was not the case at all.

14:09

Like I talked to them after I was like, like,

14:11

be honest with me, was any of this

14:14

because

14:16

of that situation. And they

14:18

just wasn't. Well then, Jed, why

14:21

did Hannah say when she was

14:23

sitting with you in the house and you all

14:25

were discussing the People magazine and Haley

14:27

and everything with that. Why did

14:30

Hannah say no wonder your family was acting

14:32

like that because obviously it's something that she felt

14:34

as well.

14:35

Absolutely. I think it was

14:37

just the heat of the moment and that discussion

14:39

because like I said, it was the hardest conversation

14:41

that we have ever had.

14:45

And

14:46

the weight of it, I can see where

14:48

she would be led to feel that way. But

14:51

I know for a fact that that wasn't the case. Jed,

14:54

let me ask you this and I'm going to go back a bit because

14:56

I told you, Ali and I have differing views

14:59

on how this whole thing played out. When

15:04

I am like you, I came

15:06

onto the show skeptical,

15:09

didn't believe it could work out,

15:11

but was open to whatever opportunity

15:15

presented itself. Whether that be love,

15:18

whether that be friendship, whether that be

15:20

a platform after this,

15:22

like you said. And I think that's how most people come

15:24

on the show. I think what gets

15:26

me

15:27

about the way you came on the show

15:30

coupled with the messages that we saw from

15:32

Haley is that you admit

15:35

that you came on the show with

15:38

different motives. You came on the

15:40

show technically to deceive

15:42

Hannah,

15:43

right? You just happened to fall

15:46

in love with her as the show went

15:48

on and you were pleasantly surprised. So

15:50

I guess my question, and maybe this is a burning

15:52

question for a lot of people out there, how

15:55

did you envision this going? Like how far

15:57

were you willing to take it?

16:00

to grow your platform because that was your initial

16:02

intention to come on the show. What

16:05

I had told a lot of people

16:07

prior to going on the show,

16:09

like

16:10

all my friends was you know that

16:14

I am open like you said to

16:16

anything that could happen and if it was love

16:19

I just, I would tell everyone I

16:21

just don't see that happening there's no

16:23

way that that could happen in that setting.

16:26

I was open to the idea though

16:29

and Were

16:31

you? Yeah, I mean Did Hailey

16:33

know that? Because I just feel like everything that you've

16:36

said has been I

16:38

came on for the platform. I've never heard

16:40

you say that you were open to finding

16:42

love on the show. So I just want to

16:45

be

16:45

clear. Right. Well, I God

16:48

knows if it's still there or not, but

16:50

when I had my interviews in Nashville,

16:53

when they kind of did like my hometown piece

16:55

thing when

16:57

I was interviewed there, I

16:59

can remember

17:00

being asked if

17:03

or

17:05

if I thought that it would be possible to fall in love

17:07

there and I remember being just like you

17:10

know, I'm open to it. I just,

17:12

I doubt it. I just I

17:14

didn't believe in it. I didn't think it was going to be possible

17:17

and

17:19

my heart was open to it and I talked

17:22

to multiple people and said that I was open

17:24

to the idea of it. I just didn't feel like it was feasible.

17:28

So and I think another question that people

17:30

want to know is if you came on the

17:32

show for a platform, why

17:34

didn't you just go on American Idol

17:37

or The Voice? I have

17:41

you know, I was it just landed in

17:43

my lap. I mean, like I said, it wasn't

17:45

like I was out scouting for TV shows

17:48

to go on to. I was, you know, I

17:50

was happy. I was living

17:53

life and I was reached out to

17:55

to do it and it just kind of landed in my lap. So

17:57

I felt like it was kind of a God thing

17:59

and I just ran.

17:59

with it. That's fair. Do

18:02

you, my one thing I've really been wondering,

18:04

because I really think about Haley in this, right?

18:07

She seems like her

18:09

heart was broken in this. Absolutely. Have

18:11

you talked to her?

18:12

We have

18:14

ran into each other in passing and

18:16

talked briefly, but I haven't had the chance to

18:19

really

18:20

go into any of this. Where?

18:22

Where did you see each other? We ran into each

18:24

other at a bar. And what was said?

18:26

Because was this before or after she

18:28

gave her story? This was before

18:31

she gave her story. Oh, right.

18:33

So she came up to me

18:36

and you

18:38

know, we're surrounded by people. This is like right when I got

18:41

back from the show, I believe

18:44

one episode had played at this point

18:46

and people were like videoing me standing

18:49

there. I was trying to have some conversation with my friends and

18:51

she walked right up to me and she's like, you

18:53

know, you weren't going to call. You

18:56

weren't going to say anything. And

18:58

I just told her that I didn't feel like this was the time

19:01

or place to have this conversation. And

19:04

after that,

19:06

I kind of discussed with Hannah

19:09

that she

19:10

had been, I

19:12

had heard that she was throwing fits at bars, like

19:14

throwing beer bottles and like making a scene. So I

19:17

knew she was obviously pissed and rightfully

19:19

so. And

19:22

I felt like that was the point where I wanted

19:24

to like say something.

19:26

And so to Hannah, to

19:28

Haley, Haley, I discussed with Hannah

19:30

that I think that I should have this conversation

19:32

with her. And

19:35

Hannah was, you know, kind of brushing

19:37

it off and making jokes about it. But we came to

19:39

terms that I should just give her a call.

19:42

So I did give Haley a call and she ignored

19:44

it and never called me back.

19:46

Oh, OK. So I

19:48

guess my question is then at

19:51

that point, were you afraid

19:53

that you heard that Haley was causing a

19:55

scene in Nashville? Were

19:58

you afraid at that point that

19:59

maybe she might do something bigger. Did

20:02

you think she might go to the press? I

20:05

really honestly didn't think so. Okay,

20:10

so you said that you talked

20:13

to Hannah prior to, maybe

20:16

I think, and correct me if I have the timeline

20:18

wrong, but maybe a couple of days after the proposal,

20:21

you told Hannah about this girl, Haley.

20:23

No, actually I told her the

20:25

morning after our engagement and

20:28

we

20:29

were laying in bed

20:30

and we started disgusting, or

20:33

disgusting, talking about our

20:35

past relationships. And I ran her

20:37

through literally everything

20:40

that I have done, like

20:43

my mistakes, the

20:45

stages of just like sleeping around, the

20:48

people I loved,

20:50

thought I loved, like we talked about everything.

20:52

I'd never been honestly

20:54

so open about

20:56

my past as someone, or felt like I even could. I

20:58

was just,

20:59

I felt like I could be completely open.

21:03

So we talked about that and we talked

21:05

about Haley, but I really gave more

21:08

so my perspective on

21:11

our relationship. And

21:13

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21:16

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21:18

was not being mindful to how Haley

21:20

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21:23

my idea,

21:24

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21:26

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21:28

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21:31

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21:32

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21:34

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21:36

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21:38

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21:41

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21:43

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21:45

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23:30

I think the hard part is with that is,

23:34

and this is the thing, you're 25. Right. You're 25,

23:37

you're a musician in Nashville.

23:40

And when I was 25, I mean, when I was 25, I was the bachelorette.

23:42

But right before that, I'm going out, I'm partying,

23:45

I'm dating guys, I'm dating multiple

23:47

guys. I

23:49

think Rachel's actually talked about this, why we think

23:51

that maybe it's the age on the show should

23:56

be a higher age. Because at that age, you're still kind

23:58

of having fun, right?

23:59

So, I get

24:02

all of that completely. I think

24:05

what the hard part is to understand is the

24:07

saying, like, I'll wait for you, meet you at the dock,

24:09

or I remember what you said, and then thinking

24:11

that that was, and then going and telling

24:14

Hannah,

24:15

you know, you thought that it was over.

24:17

Right. Like, I don't understand,

24:19

I can't connect those two things, do you know what I mean?

24:21

And I think a lot of people listening are, and I think that's the same thing. So,

24:23

I want to give you the opportunity to sort of explain

24:25

that.

24:26

Right. I would really

24:28

like to touch on the dock, and a lot of people will

24:30

probably

24:32

not believe this, but if you

24:34

went to Haley and even asked her, she

24:37

would tell you the truth on this, I would hope. But

24:39

the dock is a metaphorical thing for meditation

24:41

that I taught her.

24:43

That's what it was. It was not a physical

24:45

dock, and to the public eye, it's

24:47

gonna look like an actual dock. And when

24:49

I read that note back, I was like, damn it,

24:51

that looks like I'm saying, let's meet at this

24:54

dock. But I practice meditation,

24:57

I'm passionate about it.

24:59

It was something that I taught her to do, to

25:01

go to this dock in her mind, and

25:03

to sit there and be

25:05

at peace.

25:07

And that's what

25:09

that was. It's so funny, I wish you came

25:11

out and said that right away, because that's so interesting.

25:13

You know what I mean? Well, when I read it back,

25:15

I was like, there's no way anyone would ever believe

25:18

me on this. But it's the truth, it's

25:20

the truth. I would take a lie detector test, I would do

25:22

anything

25:24

to prove that that is true.

25:26

And I know that Hailey, despite

25:29

all this and her anger and being hurt, I

25:31

know she would tell the truth and say that that

25:33

was a metaphor. Yeah, I actually believe

25:36

you. I'm looking at you staring you directly

25:38

in the eyes, and I can tell you're telling the truth right now,

25:40

so I 100% believe you. And I think that does

25:43

make it different. Like, I think, I'm glad

25:45

you're getting the opportunity to share that, because I think

25:47

saying, you've been very clear that you loved

25:49

her, or at least what you thought was love

25:51

at the time, and saying, I'll meet you at the dock,

25:53

and saying that's a meditation point, I

25:56

can see that as almost like a goodbye,

25:58

I'm kind of doing this unknown. Like I don't know

26:00

what's gonna happen for us. I see that now But what

26:03

I didn't I didn't see it when

26:05

I thought you were literally meeting

26:07

her at a dock I know and that's what like

26:09

when I read the note back I was like like

26:11

literally everyone is gonna think this and

26:14

not believe this but well Sorry,

26:17

Jed go ahead. No, you're good

26:20

You have to understand that the first sentence before

26:22

that is you know where my heart will be Do

26:24

you feel like you owe Haley an apology and are

26:26

you going to talk to her? I?

26:28

I really just need time

26:31

to digest everything that has happened

26:34

Obviously it's been a lot.

26:36

It's been a lot for Hannah it's

26:38

been a lot for our family has been

26:40

a lot for me and

26:43

You know I

26:44

would like to say my piece to her

26:46

But it would just it would just take time I

26:49

Just need time yeah Once

26:52

you proposed to Hannah and

26:54

then the next day you told Hannah about

26:57

Haley You went home Were

27:00

you like oh god what

27:02

like I have to tell? Haley

27:04

something like why did you decide to ghost

27:07

her I guess I'm more thinking did

27:09

you ever think at some point? I have to confront Haley

27:13

Again I felt like I had closure

27:18

To me that she did not at all

27:21

obviously But due

27:23

to our discussions about me stepping into this

27:25

unforeseen future and that anything could happen I

27:27

really and honestly assumed that

27:30

you

27:30

know

27:32

It was understood that Whatever

27:35

happens happens, and we

27:37

wanted the best for one another

27:40

So you truly felt like I just want

27:42

to be clear that when you since

27:44

you Whatever happens happened and

27:46

what happened was that you were engaged to Hannah

27:49

you felt like The door was closed with

27:51

Haley at that point, and you didn't know her an explanation Like

27:56

I said again we had

27:59

closure over the phone I kind of thought that

28:01

that was

28:02

what it was like we Knew

28:05

that anything could happen

28:06

and we wanted the best for each other

28:08

and not out of disrespect not out of like Hate

28:11

or anger. We just understood that you

28:13

know

28:15

Anything could happen and I mean

28:17

I now see that I was

28:21

You know Well, I wasn't like wrong for

28:23

feeling how I felt cuz I cared about her like and I

28:25

told her that and I was clearly Open

28:27

about that to her but I can

28:29

see how she's hurt like I

28:31

understand all of that

28:33

Jenna I believe

28:36

you and I guess the reason I just I Feel

28:40

so much for you in the situation is because I

28:42

could have been in your situation Because

28:45

I have been very open that I had a boyfriend before I

28:47

went on the show He treated me like dirt and

28:49

cheated on me like every weekend But I

28:51

couldn't get out of the relationship So I went on the bachelor

28:54

to get out of that relationship to help me move

28:56

on I think the last text I sent before

28:58

I went on the show was I love you to him I'm actually

29:00

pretty sure it was so I I

29:03

think people are gonna

29:03

have a hard time Understanding and I don't

29:06

because again, I've been in your shoes kind of but

29:10

people are still and I

29:12

feel like I'm trying to put words in your mouth, but I feel like

29:14

I

29:15

Understand that whereas

29:17

people listening are gonna be like I still don't get

29:19

it. You don't say I love you and You

29:22

know what it was said before I'll meet you at the

29:24

dock or whatever something else Like

29:29

well, where was the text message that said whatever

29:32

happens happens, where was the text?

29:34

I think that's where people get lost. Where's the

29:36

text message that says, you know, I'm open

29:39

to whatever

29:40

We have an understanding that's what's

29:43

lacking And I think that's what's

29:45

hard for people to understand

29:48

I'm not saying that I doubt you Jed I'm

29:50

just saying that you know when it comes

29:52

to the hard facts and the evidence we

29:54

only see lawyer Rachel Yeah,

29:58

the side that Haley's bringing

29:59

But I will say

30:02

that I truly do believe that you

30:04

fell in love with Hannah on

30:06

the show. And I think Ali and I both agree with

30:08

that. I believe you fell in love with her. I

30:11

believe that you got scared when,

30:13

you know,

30:14

by the love that you were feeling and

30:17

then by knowing what you had left

30:19

at home and you just kind

30:21

of, it seems like you just panicked and thought,

30:23

I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear.

30:26

Right. I'll say this.

30:30

I don't think you have to be in

30:32

a labeled relationship to love someone.

30:35

I really don't. And that was the case. And

30:38

I'm also confused as to

30:40

why everyone thinks that has to be in

30:43

text

30:44

for it to have been a conversation.

30:46

We had conversation,

30:48

face to face conversation,

30:50

about what could happen.

30:52

And just because it's not out there in a text

30:54

message doesn't mean that that wasn't

30:56

the case. So have you thought about reaching

30:59

out to Haley and being like, hey, like,

31:02

can you can you come forward with

31:04

the truth? Because what

31:06

you're saying is necessarily

31:09

not, you know, can you say these conversations?

31:12

Can you let people know that we had these conversations?

31:14

Have you thought about just asking her that? Because you're obviously

31:17

being very nice about her. You say she's a great

31:19

girl. You're not going to say anything bad. So

31:22

I'm guessing she's pretty pissed at

31:24

you. But have you considered

31:26

just being like, hey, do you mind sharing

31:28

that other side of the story? I get that you were hurt

31:30

when you saw I went on the show and actually did because

31:33

she's probably hurt that you did fall in love. I'm

31:35

sure she didn't think you would. And she thought you were coming home

31:38

to her. That seems like that's the scenario

31:39

here. So have you

31:41

thought about reaching out to her about that? I

31:44

think that was in her mind, the

31:46

best case scenario. And

31:49

I honestly have not.

31:51

I didn't consider reaching out because my relationship

31:53

with Hannah was my number one priority.

31:56

Yeah. I have a question for you, Jed.

31:59

I personally. I'm not as sympathetic

32:02

to Haley, just to be honest, because

32:04

if you guys had this understanding,

32:07

she knew exactly what you were going on the show to

32:09

do as well. And so

32:12

at the same time, she's

32:14

kind of at fault as well, to

32:16

a point, right? Like I get that there weren't truths

32:19

that were told. I understand

32:21

all of that, but she agreed for you to go

32:23

on this show and to do what you were doing.

32:26

So I'm not 100% sympathetic

32:29

towards Haley. Some people think she didn't agree. Like

32:31

some people think that her heart was like broken and

32:33

off he was going. She was very supportive about

32:35

it. Exactly. That says something

32:38

about her. She knew he was going on this show.

32:40

She knew that he was going to use the show

32:43

initially

32:43

as a platform for his music, and she

32:46

was okay with it. Why is nobody

32:48

saying that that's a character flaw? I'm sorry, it

32:50

is. So here's my question to you, Jed.

32:53

Do you think that Haley came

32:55

out because she was, do

32:57

you think that Haley came out to speak to the

32:59

press because she was hurt? Or do

33:01

you think she came out to use it as a platform

33:03

for her own music?

33:06

I know that she's hurt,

33:08

but I know also that

33:12

there's a good chance that she was

33:14

seizing the opportunity as well.

33:17

Of course she was, Jed. And

33:19

you can't really falter for it, because you did it too. And

33:21

yeah, and another thing I don't understand is like, she

33:24

waited till I had like 250,000 followers to

33:27

come out and say this. So like, I

33:29

think it was intended to obviously hurt

33:31

me. And what I don't understand

33:33

is

33:35

if you really do

33:36

love someone, no matter

33:38

how promising

33:40

they've made it seem if they're going on a dating

33:43

show, regardless of why they're going on a

33:45

dating show, why would you stay with them?

33:47

And like, if for me,

33:50

if I was in a relationship, I would

33:52

not have gone onto a dating show. That's

33:54

just me. I'm not

33:56

a cheater. With my

33:58

time with Hailey, I did hang out. out with other people. I

34:01

did date other people. I slept with other people.

34:04

We were not in an exclusive relationship. Did

34:07

she know that? Did she know you were sleeping

34:09

with other people? No, because we'd never

34:11

had conversation saying, this was this. We had never committed

34:13

to being

34:18

in an exclusive relationship.

34:20

She's rightfully hurt, and I see that. I

34:23

understand that. But the

34:25

facts are the facts, whether she wants to come forward with

34:27

it or not. There was conversation

34:30

and clarity on my path. What

34:35

about these reports that

34:38

once you got back from filming, you

34:40

were hooking up and flirting with other women

34:42

while you were still engaged to Hannah? Is

34:45

any of that true?

34:46

Absolutely not. 100% no. Is

34:51

it maybe the case that y'all had already broken up? Because

34:53

according to Hannah, you guys broke up June 18th.

34:57

Or ended the engagement, I should say.

34:59

You guys ended the engagement June 18th. Is

35:02

there any truth that after that, maybe you decided,

35:05

okay, well, we're done. Maybe

35:07

I'll just

35:08

see what else is out there. My heart was broken,

35:10

no. I

35:13

can see the look on your face, and that's

35:17

factual.

35:19

I want to ask you this question too, before

35:21

we get into things that happen after AFR.

35:24

I'm thinking of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things

35:27

that people have wondered about

35:29

you, and now you have your chance to talk about it. Like

35:31

Ali and I said at the beginning, we want to give you that space to

35:34

do that. Once you told

35:37

Hannah

35:38

that you initially came on the show for

35:40

your music, why

35:42

at that point did you continue

35:45

to play your music and showcase it throughout

35:47

the show? I am so

35:49

glad that you asked this question. Good.

35:53

So when I brought my

35:56

guitar to the show, I actually had no

35:58

idea that I was going to be able to play as much as I did.

35:59

I brought it to have something to do

36:02

in my downtime. Obviously, it's my passion.

36:04

I love it I knew that I would be writing

36:07

in my downtime and there

36:09

was

36:10

you know,

36:11

there's times that I'd be like writing a

36:13

song for Hannah and You

36:16

know someone from production would hear it. I

36:18

would play it for them They're like you should play that for her and

36:20

then I was lucky enough to get to do that

36:23

on multiple occasions I never would have dreamed

36:25

that I got to do it as much as I did and I

36:27

can see where people are like you're showcasing your showcasing

36:30

your showcasing when really it was me being

36:32

given the opportunity

36:35

Given the opportunity to do to play

36:37

but I mean I guess can't you understand

36:39

how you know what? I just told this girl that I came

36:42

on this this show To use

36:44

my music to use this platform

36:46

to showcase my music and now here

36:48

you are Showcasing your music every

36:51

opportunity that you can get at least

36:53

what we saw

36:54

in watching it I mean all the way from the

36:56

very beginning of stepping out of the limo to

36:58

the proposal at the end So

37:01

you can understand how it never crossed your mind.

37:03

You know what? Maybe I should just put the guitar

37:05

down and talk to her

37:07

prior to me telling Hannah to About

37:10

how I came from music

37:12

She told me that when I showed

37:14

when I showed up she was skeptical

37:16

about the fact that you know I played guitar for a night

37:18

one and that she

37:21

kind of felt like oh, this is just another guy here for music

37:23

But up to this point I can tell that

37:25

you're here for me and that was edited out and that was

37:28

before I even told Her anything and I was like wow

37:30

It's crazy that you just said that because then

37:32

I told her my piece why I showed up So

37:35

she could tell that my emotion had

37:37

completely flipped and that I was there for her at

37:39

this point and on that

37:41

date

37:42

I Was

37:44

unaware of it, but they brought my guitar and

37:47

they put it in another room and Hannah

37:50

after we had talked and she gave

37:52

me the rose led me into this room where my

37:54

guitar was and she wanted me to Play her a song and

37:57

I happened to have wrote a song the night

37:59

before

37:59

So

38:01

she liked when I played and

38:03

wanted me to play. And

38:06

even after the show, when we were engaged, she

38:08

was very encouraging and wanted me to bring my guitar and wanted

38:10

me to play for her. And that

38:13

meant a lot to me because it's something I love.

38:15

It was your love language. Yeah, absolutely.

38:18

It is your love language. What

38:20

love language is that?

38:22

Well, it's how he expresses himself. I mean,

38:24

you're a writer because honestly, I think you express

38:26

yourself.

38:28

I think watching back sometimes,

38:30

I'd be like, Chad, I just want to see more emotion

38:32

out of you. And you're a very kind

38:34

of chill guy. And

38:37

I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth. But the

38:39

way I saw it, it was like, that's how you express yourself.

38:42

I mean, yeah, it's been like that since

38:44

I was little. I started on piano when I

38:46

was just five years old.

38:49

That's just always been kind

38:51

of like my outlet. It's interesting

38:53

that you bring up that Hannah asked you

38:55

to play for her. She

38:58

enjoyed that. So I'm sure that encouraged

39:00

you to do it more, knowing that it's something that she really

39:03

liked that you did.

39:04

Absolutely, yeah. And there was times that

39:07

I didn't want to play because I was like, I don't want

39:09

her to feel like this. I don't want her to feel like this. And

39:11

her and I had conversations. She never felt that way.

39:14

She never felt like I was showcasing.

39:16

I can see where the world would say that because

39:18

it's like, almost every episode,

39:20

I came walking up with that guitar. And I saw so many memes

39:22

like, here comes that damn

39:24

guitar. I actually

39:26

brought a little guitar, mini-guitar, to

39:28

the podcast with me. But

39:31

no, I'm in. Look, out there, I know a lot of people

39:33

are just going to, I feel for you,

39:35

like, in a lot of the situation. I definitely think you messed

39:37

up. And I've said this already at the

39:40

beginning. You messed up with not being super

39:42

honest about Haley. And I know you kind of think you

39:44

were, but you weren't. And I

39:46

understand that that came from fear. But

39:49

I don't blame you for the guitar stuff or any of that

39:51

other stuff, like I said. But one

39:53

thing I do want

39:54

to discuss is, are you mad at Hannah?

39:56

Do you have anger towards her at this point?

39:59

I'm not angry at all. I think more

40:02

than anything. I'm just really sad. I

40:04

just feel you know that and

40:06

Just like I know she's

40:08

sad and hurt too And I know that

40:11

she now has her closure and we'll move on and that's

40:13

that's that's great

40:15

But the reason I ask and this is why I ask because

40:17

people are gonna be what do you mean? Why would he be mad at Hannah and

40:19

the reason I asked that is because you did

40:22

like some comments on Instagram? People

40:24

saying she slept with you know a bunch

40:26

of guys right two guys um

40:30

Why did you do that I? Tap

40:33

the comment to go see if he was replying

40:35

to someone and I liked it You

40:38

tap the comment to see if who was replying the

40:40

the comment rolled into my notifications

40:43

I tapped it wherever I tapped it it

40:45

liked it period did

40:47

you not realize that I had no idea

40:49

until Someone sent me an article be like they were

40:51

like what why did you do that

40:53

and I was like oh?

40:54

Shit like I didn't mean to do that

40:56

Wasn't I don't feel that way I mean

40:59

don't get me wrong It's like not easy to hear

41:01

the things that I've heard watching back on the

41:03

season You know it's like a really

41:06

weird thing to see someone that you love so much

41:08

be so open about other people

41:11

It's

41:11

are you referring to the windmill absolutely

41:13

yeah, it's like it's it's

41:15

hard to hear I know that's the name of the game. That's

41:18

the show, but it's not easy to hear

41:20

when it's somebody so That

41:23

was a mistake, but I'll own it. I did

41:25

like it

41:26

How many comments did you

41:28

like like that was that the only

41:30

one I? Don't

41:33

know I Don't

41:36

know I Mean

41:39

I that's the only one I'm aware of that's the only article

41:41

I've seen Yeah, I

41:44

mean I I get that that could

41:46

be a mistake I mean, but I also

41:48

get and the reason I thought maybe he did like

41:50

it is I understand

41:54

how Hurtful that

41:57

would be you know I what

41:59

being the past

41:59

I can say that

42:02

if my, who cares about my

42:04

story, but if my top three guy hadn't

42:07

left me, I would have slept with more than one person in

42:09

the fantasy suite. I would have. I didn't because

42:11

my guy left me, but I

42:13

would have. Because I know how important

42:16

physical intimacy is on the show, and

42:18

if you're about to get engaged with someone, you probably want to

42:20

know, do you have a physical connection? Yeah,

42:23

but I also, putting myself in the other people's

42:25

shoes, because I left

42:27

top four when I was a contestant,

42:30

that has got to sting.

42:32

And I get that you have a lot of wrongs,

42:35

but it's still you're a human being,

42:37

and that's got to hurt too. Did

42:40

you feel anything when she's talking about two

42:42

times in the windmill?

42:43

Right, well it was actually four times. Well

42:45

yeah, yeah, yeah, but she said two times. You

42:48

guys were already broken up when she said four times.

42:50

You'd already split up. But you were engaged

42:53

when the two times thing,

42:55

or had you already split up? Had

42:56

you already broken up? We had been split up

42:58

at that point. So how did you

43:00

feel? It was just,

43:03

I knew about Peter at that point. I didn't know the

43:05

details, I didn't care to know the details

43:07

because I just don't really

43:10

love to hear about that kind of

43:12

thing. But

43:15

it's just weird, it's weird,

43:19

I think it would be weird for

43:21

just about anyone to see someone that you care about

43:23

a lot

43:24

be open and talk about

43:26

sleeping with someone else. And that's

43:30

her role and this was her journey and

43:33

she's not wrong for doing it. Like there's nothing

43:36

really wrong with it,

43:37

but it does stink.

43:40

There's not really anything you can do to prepare yourself

43:43

to watch

43:45

someone you care about

43:46

be open about that. Yeah.

43:48

Yeah.

43:54

Ali asked you if you were angry at Hannah,

43:57

but I guess my question is, Can

44:00

you blame Hannah for the way

44:02

that she's reacted since finding

44:04

out everything she did about Hailey? Absolutely

44:07

not. She was very straightforward

44:10

about how

44:12

she wanted honesty and openness

44:14

from the very beginning. From night one, she was

44:17

open about that. So I can see

44:19

entirely

44:21

how and why she feels the way she feels

44:23

right now or felt. I

44:26

wanna follow up on something you said on GMA. When

44:28

you were talking to Michael Strahan, you

44:32

said to him that you had discussed with

44:34

Hannah Hailey. But did your

44:36

discussions mirror the article

44:39

that came out in People Magazine?

44:41

There was details in

44:43

the article that, like I said before, I

44:46

wasn't even considering her side or her feelings.

44:49

I told her pretty much from my perspective what

44:51

we were and what it felt like without

44:55

considering

44:56

how she was feeling.

44:57

And that's my fault and I'll own up to it. I

44:59

wanna give you an opportunity to clear things

45:01

up because this is the first time you've really

45:04

been able to just talk freely. You

45:07

know, it's not a TV segment. It's an

45:09

open conversation. And so

45:11

I guess I'd also ask you, is there something

45:14

yet that we haven't addressed that you wanna

45:16

clear up because everyone's been asking

45:19

or assuming certain things? I think at this

45:21

point, you can assume that there's a skeleton

45:23

in your closet. It's going to come out at this

45:25

point. Absolutely.

45:26

There's, no. I

45:29

mean, I feel like we've touched a lot of the points

45:31

that I've ever wanted to make that I've kept

45:33

quiet over because all I wanted

45:35

to do is mend the relationship with Hannah. I

45:38

didn't come out

45:39

and defend myself immediately. I could have.

45:42

I could have came out and did any, I could have defended

45:44

myself off the bat with the

45:46

Haley situation and spoke just on behalf of that.

45:49

But

45:50

what was important to me was Hannah

45:53

and trying to fix that. And

45:56

that's just it. Have you guys

45:58

spoken since after the final row?

45:59

at all or is your contact completely cut off?

46:02

We haven't spoken and

46:04

you know I feel like down the road

46:08

we could have friendship. I mean she's

46:10

great and we have always got along.

46:13

We have a great time.

46:14

I think she's an amazing woman. She's strong.

46:19

She killed her role at this. I mean you

46:21

can't ask for someone to be more

46:24

passionate, more open and

46:29

she did everything.

46:31

In my opinion,

46:33

great. She did great and

46:36

I just I hope

46:39

down the road that we can be friends.

46:41

Do you think her and Tyler are going to end up together? How do you feel

46:43

about that situation? Kind

46:45

of like I said on Good Morning America, I just had a

46:48

weird feeling going into after the

46:50

final rose that something like that could happen. Tyler's

46:53

an amazing guy.

46:55

I don't fault her for

46:58

saying what she did or asking him.

47:00

Has your relationship with any of the guys

47:02

changed with all this coming out or have

47:05

they been supportive because do you talk

47:07

to the guys?

47:07

I could not have asked for

47:10

honestly a better group of people to go into

47:12

this with. They've been supportive and kind

47:14

to me and you know obviously

47:17

offering their opinions on the situation

47:19

and telling me things

47:21

that are helpful and they're great friends.

47:27

I

47:30

mean obviously there's a couple that I don't talk

47:32

to as much but ...

47:33

Yeah well assuming you don't talk to Luke. Did

47:40

any of the guys call you out and

47:42

say, hey Jed what the heck?

47:44

Or were they like, what did

47:47

they say? No

47:49

one called me out. It was

47:51

more so

47:53

just Nick Ryle. None of

47:55

the guys on my season has

47:57

said anything. Yeah

47:58

cause Nick is- Oh let's explain. Spinnaton,

48:00

man. I don't even know what you're talking about. What has

48:02

Nick of Isle been saying? Let's talk

48:04

about it. How do you, and okay,

48:06

so I think it's great that you have received

48:09

support from the guys from your season, and

48:11

I'll be honest, I've talked to several

48:13

guys from your season and they all

48:16

have great things to say about

48:18

you, even when I tried to dig and

48:20

tried to say, but okay, but maybe- Yeah, Peter was on last week,

48:22

he had great things to say about you. Yeah, and we're

48:24

like, okay, but maybe this, no. They're

48:27

like, we were, we lived with Jed, he's actually

48:29

a

48:29

really great guy. We understand what you've

48:32

seen in the media, we understand certain

48:34

things that have popped up, but Jed is really a good person.

48:36

Even Hannah said, she

48:38

fell in love with the goodness, the good

48:41

part of you, she knows it's in there for you, and maybe

48:43

this whole situation

48:44

will prepare you for the next person. So she

48:47

acknowledges it as well. But since

48:49

you brought up Nick Vile, what

48:52

do you, because that's who's season I was on. What

48:55

do you think

48:56

about past contestants or past

48:59

leads offering

49:02

their opinion in such a way? Because

49:04

you obviously feel strongly about things

49:07

that he has said.

49:08

And I think, obviously Rachel and I

49:10

have this podcast and we are giving our

49:12

opinion, so we're sharing our opinion

49:14

as alumni too. I think the difference

49:17

is there's a way to be respectful about

49:19

it.

49:19

Yeah, totally. And you guys

49:21

do that

49:23

perfectly in my opinion.

49:25

Everyone's entitled their opinion.

49:28

And with social media, people are

49:30

very quick to jump on what's the

49:32

most popular thing happening and how

49:34

they can either use it to benefit themselves.

49:38

Get retweets. To get retweets, to get

49:40

likes. And I understand that I've been,

49:42

as of recently, the talk of the town.

49:45

So I

49:46

see why people are doing that, but

49:49

it's like, get to know me before you talk

49:51

shit. And if you come to my family,

49:53

like,

49:54

don't do that.

49:56

Did he do that? I've seen him say

49:58

some slurs and stuff.

49:59

on Twitter and it's just, you know, it's

50:02

like,

50:03

have some respect. So

50:06

you feel like he's doing it to try to stay

50:08

relevant? Absolutely.

50:10

Are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off. Oh,

50:14

yeah. Well, I mean, I'm with you. I'm

50:17

not with the Knicks thing, but I think

50:20

people are not just

50:23

past bachelor contestants. In general, people have

50:26

the screen up when they're on the internet and feel like they

50:28

can say whatever they want. And the reason I'm so happy that

50:30

you're here, Jed, is because

50:32

not only have all the guys said great things about you,

50:35

Hannah has said great things about you despite how hurt

50:37

she is. I'm, you know, we're

50:39

sitting here talking to you. We can see

50:41

that you're a good person. Of course you're a good person.

50:43

You just really fucked up.

50:46

You did. I mean, can you say that right now

50:49

that

50:50

I messed up big time? I

50:52

can see all my faults. And like I said,

50:54

I'm going to grow from it and it

50:57

is going to make me a better person. It

50:59

just, it's crazy when it's in the public

51:02

eye that you have to go through something like this and

51:04

be

51:05

open to everyone's opinions and

51:07

judgment. But you

51:09

know, absolutely. I can see all my faults.

51:12

Yeah, Jed, I think that you learned

51:14

the hardest lesson on the biggest

51:17

stage and it'll be something that

51:19

you grow from at the end of the day.

51:21

Like we talk about

51:23

Hannah's strength and everything that she went

51:25

through and she did go through a lot, but

51:27

at the same time, you have to be really strong on

51:30

your end. And she gave that to you. You know, when she talked

51:32

about grace on the stage, she said, I

51:35

know that you have a lot of critics. I have

51:37

them too, but I know people are coming down on you.

51:39

And I'll even be honest when, when she was

51:41

on Strayhand and Sarah, she said, I don't

51:43

want to say anything about him because so many people are

51:45

already coming at him. So it

51:47

takes a lot of strength for you to be able

51:49

to

51:50

come sit with us, do have

51:53

these tough conversations. But we

51:55

thank you for it. And we thank you for being strong enough

51:58

to tell your side of the story.

51:59

I do want to ask you though, what's

52:02

next for you? I think a lot of people want to know

52:04

what, what do you want to do now? Paradise?

52:08

Just kidding. No. Only

52:12

if

52:12

Dylan's going. You

52:16

know, really, I just want to take

52:18

the

52:19

next bit and just focus on my spiritual

52:21

and mental health.

52:23

That's it. I mean,

52:25

the weight of all this has been insane. And

52:28

you know, I just want to surround myself with good

52:30

people and really just

52:33

work on my

52:34

soul. And I'm glad

52:36

you brought up mental health. Yeah, I think

52:39

people out there, anyone listening to this right now,

52:42

who maybe still feels angry with you is that

52:45

we need to think about people's mental health

52:47

in this because I cannot imagine how

52:51

you are feeling and how you've been feeling

52:53

and having millions of people just

52:56

judging you and saying terrible

52:58

things about you. That is

53:01

so hurtful. And we really need to

53:03

think about mental health and what that can do to

53:05

a person because I

53:07

know you're a strong guy, but that

53:09

can break anybody.

53:10

Yeah. And I like to think that I

53:12

am very, you know,

53:15

mentally strong, like

53:18

in a lot of situations.

53:19

And this, this has been

53:22

extremely heavy. And you know, I want to talk

53:24

for a second about like other people

53:26

going through this, you know,

53:29

I know that the Blake guy, he's

53:32

fucked up and done some shit. And

53:35

you know, I just

53:36

think people need to like, even though they

53:38

don't agree with it or think it's terrible, just have a little

53:40

grace because at the end of the day, like we're

53:43

humans. I mean, same for Luke, I don't agree

53:45

with

53:46

him. Not the not the slightest

53:48

bit. Do I agree with him? But

53:51

we're humans. We have this

53:54

this thing where it's easy to get caught up in

53:56

what people are saying. And sure, you can say

53:58

that you're not going to look at it.

54:00

or that you ignore it, but

54:03

that only goes for so long and people

54:05

need to realize how much words actually

54:07

can affect someone's mental health and respect

54:10

that.

54:10

Do you feel for Luke in this situation? Now

54:13

that I've gone through the hate that I've gone

54:15

through, you know, like even

54:17

before I did, like it

54:19

was just constant memes, constant shots,

54:22

and you know, I've even taken some shots at

54:24

him, obviously. Like I didn't agree with

54:26

the guy at all, but now that I have this perspective,

54:29

I think people just need to have a little grace for

54:32

everyone.

54:33

Yeah, like you can not like somebody that's totally

54:35

okay. Like, and you can say, I don't understand why this

54:37

person is here, but saying like they

54:40

should jump off a bridge on social media is not

54:42

okay.

54:42

It's not okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's

54:44

a bit too far. So like that,

54:46

you know, that being said,

54:50

Hannah has been,

54:52

you know,

54:53

being drilled the entire time, the

54:55

entire season. Like, yeah,

54:58

yeah, Luke got it bad. I got it bad later, but

55:00

she's had this judgment the entire

55:02

time. Yeah. And

55:04

I don't think there's anyone in this world that could have

55:06

handled it the way she did. She was strong. She

55:09

held true to herself. And you can't ask

55:11

for more than that from someone.

55:12

And I will say, I have not agreed with

55:14

a lot of the things Hannah has done throughout the season. I

55:17

write a blog and on it, I have been extremely

55:20

critical of some of the things that she has done throughout

55:22

the season, but always in a respectful way, always

55:24

in a way of, I am behind her. I don't agree

55:26

with the way she did this, but I know she's growing from

55:28

this. And I think that's the difference. You don't have to like

55:30

everybody. You don't have to agree with that. I do like Hannah, but

55:33

you don't have to agree with what everybody's doing, but

55:35

you just have to be, realize

55:37

the real human beings. Like Rachel and I have been there. I

55:39

mean, obviously not to the extent that you

55:42

have experienced

55:42

it, but honestly I was

55:44

a little hesitant to do this podcast. And

55:47

the reason I was, is because I was the

55:49

bachelor almost 10 years ago, but I

55:51

remember sitting at my computer and

55:53

seeing the terrible things people were

55:55

saying about me and crying my eyes

55:57

out. Cause yes, I'm strong. I've been

55:59

strong my whole life. life but oh my gosh, one

56:01

person can only take so much. And

56:04

I didn't want to do this podcast at first because I thought

56:07

oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back out there

56:09

to be judged again by Bachelor

56:11

Nation, which Bachelor Nation's incredible but there's

56:14

a handful of weeds among

56:16

the flowers that really

56:18

love to dig. Would you say, Rach?

56:22

A lot of weeds, is that what you said? Yeah,

56:24

there's a lot of weeds. Yeah, so

56:25

I mean Rachel, how do you, like, how's, what

56:28

do you think about that? So

56:30

I am a very strong person but at

56:32

the same time I absolutely have

56:35

my moments where sometimes this becomes

56:37

too much and it gets to me and I think it's important

56:39

to talk about because a lot of times people

56:42

do just see me as strong but

56:44

this being in this world has affected

56:46

me

56:47

at the same time and you know, like

56:50

Ali said, we've both as leads

56:52

have definitely been subject to a lot

56:54

of criticism and for

56:57

me being the first black bachelorette,

56:59

I was being criticized for things

57:02

that I can't change, you know, I'm black.

57:04

I can't change that, you know, I was

57:07

born that way and a lot of the criticism

57:09

that came to me, it was because of the

57:12

way that I looked or stereotypes for because

57:15

of the way I looked at people placed on black

57:17

people. So it was, I knew I would

57:19

get it but as much as you prepare

57:21

yourself for it, you never

57:24

are ready for it and at the same time it's like

57:26

when people are praising you one second,

57:29

you're also going to have the flip in of people

57:31

criticizing you and it's

57:33

a hard balance to have and the

57:35

strongest person is affected by it.

57:37

So I think it's really important, you know, that

57:39

we're having this conversation now and we're sharing

57:41

our experiences

57:42

at how tough it is. I'm tough

57:44

on people too. I'm tough. I think you handled

57:47

this interview quite well. I

57:49

was nervous for you Jed because of Rachel. I'm

57:53

very direct and

57:56

I get that sometimes I fall

57:59

victim of

57:59

you know, going after people without

58:02

understanding it or realizing, hey, Rachel,

58:04

you know what it's like to be in that person's shoes and

58:07

have people criticizing you for things they don't know

58:09

or they don't know the whole story. So

58:11

I think that it's important for hello,

58:14

bachelor nation. I'm talking to you to

58:16

realize that these

58:18

people are we're human and we

58:21

mess up and we make mistakes and we're making

58:23

them on the biggest stage. So at

58:25

times, give

58:27

us a break.

58:28

Absolutely.

58:29

Yeah, I mean, I do

58:31

see sometimes I will say, I mean, I haven't read any of

58:34

Nick's tweets, but people do

58:36

kind of jump on the bandwagon of like whatever

58:39

bachelor nation's feeling and to, you know,

58:41

just kind of follow along with that. I don't do

58:43

that. Like if I'm going to tweet or put something on Instagram,

58:46

I feel like I'll do it as again,

58:49

I don't agree with this, but

58:50

I massage it a little bit. I realize

58:53

that the person I'm talking about is me.

58:56

Just like me, you know, like because I've

58:58

been there. So it's hard for me

59:00

sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless

59:03

because they've been there totally and

59:05

they know how much it hurts.

59:06

Totally. And like I've taken shots at Luke on Twitter

59:09

and it's like

59:10

it's just like an easy thing to do, but it's not right. Yeah.

59:13

No, it's not always right. I definitely say

59:16

some very blunt things.

59:19

But I think as long as you're

59:21

funny, it

59:22

softens it up. Yeah,

59:26

see, I'm like, again, I always go back to I'm the

59:28

mom of this podcast. Like I'm just

59:30

like, oh, I always think of that person as my son

59:33

or my daughter, you know, but

59:35

none of us are perfect. I'm sure at some point

59:37

for sure. Definitely past seasons, I've said some

59:39

things that were mean, you know, if I had

59:41

an opinion. And I think you just learned like you said.

59:44

I mean, the whole point of this,

59:46

I mean, I think your story, Jed, is

59:48

that nobody is perfect and we all mess

59:51

up all of us.

59:52

Just, you know, we have millions of people

59:54

to let us know when we did it. Absolutely. And

59:56

your mistakes should not define you. Exactly.

59:58

Everyone can change. and grow and

1:00:01

you got to just focus on that. Well, I

1:00:03

hope people listening to this know that your mistakes

1:00:05

do not define you. And I can say that sitting with you

1:00:07

right now, I can tell

1:00:09

and feel the good energy

1:00:11

from you. And I see what Hannah saw in you. You

1:00:14

messed up, but you're human and

1:00:16

you've admitted it.

1:00:17

That's what else can you do? You live and you learn. And

1:00:19

I can say confidently, I think that whoever you

1:00:21

do end up with is going to be a very lucky girl

1:00:24

because I think you're going to be pretty dang honest with

1:00:26

that person. Yeah, completely. Right

1:00:29

up front,

1:00:30

everything, here it is. I

1:00:32

just like, I looked at another girl and I saw her cleavage.

1:00:34

I had to tell you because I don't want you to think I'm lying.

1:00:37

Like you're going to be really honest. Jed, thank

1:00:39

you so much for being here. Honestly, it's

1:00:42

not easy to do what you're doing right now. And we really appreciate

1:00:44

you telling your story here first.

1:00:45

Absolutely. Thank you all for having me. You

1:00:48

know, it's been heavy

1:00:50

on my heart to be able to kind of open up about everything.

1:00:53

And I appreciate you all giving me the opportunity to do that

1:00:55

here. Absolutely. Thank you, Jed.

1:00:57

I wish you the very best in the future and

1:01:00

we'll see you at the doc. Aw. Close

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your eyes and go there. I

1:01:07

love meditation too, so I love that you do that. And I will

1:01:09

say to all of you guys listening, thank you so

1:01:11

much for tuning in to this very special

1:01:14

edition of Bachelor Happy Hour. And

1:01:16

actually, we're going to be back with our regular

1:01:18

podcast next week. And we have Demi and

1:01:21

Kaylin from Bachelor in Paradise

1:01:23

on the show. We're going to talk to Demi

1:01:25

about her groundbreaking Paradise

1:01:27

journey, which is very cool, and

1:01:29

how her family reacted to her telling the world that

1:01:31

she had

1:01:31

been dating a woman prior to coming to Paradise.

1:01:34

And also you guys, Kaylin will be here.

1:01:36

And from the looks of it, she got

1:01:39

all caught up in the Blake drama that is all

1:01:41

the talk in Paradise. And we're going to talk about that with

1:01:44

her. Yes, we're going to have grace

1:01:46

for Blake, but we're also going to call him a

1:01:48

jerk and you'll find out why. So

1:01:51

in the meantime, in

1:01:54

the meantime, guys, you can get all the latest

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we should ask you. So some of those questions came from my

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Allie, because we want to hear from you guys and

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