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From
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The Wall Street Journal, this is Bad Bets.
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I'm Ben Foldy. We opened
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this series talking about Trevor Mountain's Federal
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Fraud Trial. That trial has
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now reached a verdict. Trevor Milton
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has found guilty Trevor Milton has been found guilty
0:36
of making false and misleading statements regarding
0:38
Nicholas Business. His sentencing
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is scheduled for January.
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Milton now facing a sentence of more than twenty
0:44
years in prison.
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I was in the courtroom when the
0:47
verdict was read. Trevor seemed shocked
0:49
and stayed with his family for a long time
0:51
after the jury filed out. Outside
0:54
the courthouse, he told reporters, quote, I did
0:56
nothing wrong. End quote, He
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had his layers of pledge to keep fighting. In
1:01
a statement, Nicholas said the company was pleased
1:03
to close this chapter and focus on executing
1:05
its business strategy.
1:06
We'll
1:11
get
1:11
back to the trial in a later episode. But
1:13
this episode is all about how Trevor got here.
1:15
to add everything that
1:17
had to change in the world, to put him in a position,
1:19
to both raise so much money and eventually get
1:21
in so much trouble how he raised it.
1:24
A lot of things had to happen. One
1:27
of the first factors started shifting in twenty eleven,
1:29
far away from Utah. President
1:32
Obama and his state of the union speech that
1:34
year made clean energy a national
1:36
priority. We're showing a challenge.
1:39
We're telling America's scientists and engineers that
1:42
if they assemble teams of the best minds
1:44
in their fields and focus on the
1:46
hardest problems and clean energy. We'll
1:49
fund the Apollo projects of our time.
1:51
He said it would be like this generation's moonshot.
1:54
and zero emission vehicles powered by batteries
1:56
and hydrogen would be a big part of it.
1:58
With more research and incentives, we
2:00
can break our dependence oil with biofuels
2:03
and become the first country to have a
2:05
million vehicles on the road
2:07
by twenty fifteen. The US government
2:09
had loaned billions of dollars to companies like
2:11
Ford and Nissan, and also a
2:13
Silicon Valley startup called Tesla,
2:15
owned by a branch, auditionist CEO,
2:18
Elon Musk. And soon,
2:20
Tesla's revolutionary model s would show
2:22
that there was a growing market for electric cars
2:24
and an opportunity for companies supply
2:26
that demand. But
2:29
cars represented only one part of the opportunity
2:31
for electric vehicles. There are more than two
2:33
million semi trucks on the road every day in the United
2:35
States. And proportionately, these
2:37
trucks pollute far more than cars do.
2:40
That is where Trevor Milton says he saw
2:42
his opportunity. Before
2:43
I go on, the reporting behind what you're about to
2:45
hear, we sent
2:46
to Trevor Milton's PR rep and lawyers
2:48
and asked for Trevor's side. They didn't answer
2:50
our questions. But Trevor did plenty
2:52
of talking publicly about his vision over the years.
2:55
Here he is describing the opportunity he saw
2:57
on a podcast called the Jimmy Rack show.
2:59
I realized that the trucking world was the dirtiest
3:01
world out there, and it was an industry that was incredibly
3:04
ugly. And I knew I had a chance that the money
3:06
is really in taking something that's ugly and taken it turned
3:08
it sexy. Trevor had been trying to break
3:10
into the trucking industry for years, like
3:12
his efforts with Dehybrid Inc. the natural
3:14
gas engine technology company. In
3:17
our first episode, we told you about Trevor's
3:19
idea for a locomotive semi, meaning
3:21
a truck with electric motors that could haul freight
3:23
while running cleaner than those powered by diesel.
3:25
And in the early twenty tens, it was almost
3:28
like Trevor's big idea had become a matter of
3:30
national import. And his electric
3:32
semi truck idea could meet investors growing
3:34
appetite for climate conscious investments. But
3:37
there still wasn't anyone who'd cracked the code on
3:39
taking semi trucks electric. It's
3:41
worth taking a second to explain why this is
3:43
such a big challenge. Why the lithium
3:45
ion batteries that power cars like Tesla can't
3:47
just be slapped on a semi? The
3:49
key thing to understand is that batteries
3:51
are very, very heavy. It's
3:53
not a huge issue for cars, which can be built
3:55
with lightweight materials to mitigate the weight
3:57
and sleek silhouettes that reduce air resistance.
4:00
allowing them to still travel a meaningful distance
4:02
for most drivers. But having enough energy
4:04
to haul sixty thousand pounds any meaningful
4:06
distance, that requires several tons
4:08
of batteries. and that cuts into the weight
4:10
you can haul and also means longer recharge
4:12
times. A trucker who is driving cross
4:14
country would have to make hours of stops every few
4:16
hundred miles just to recharge. Trevor
4:20
said a childhood revelation he had at a Union
4:22
Pacific rail yard sparked an idea for a solution.
4:24
This all started when I was a kid.
4:29
My dad inspired me with trains. He
4:31
was the manager of Union Pacific
4:33
Railroad in Las Vegas, I grew
4:35
up around trains. I grew up on the on the rail
4:37
yards. He said he was riding in the cab of
4:39
a locomotive when he had a conversation that
4:41
would shape his life. the conductor,
4:43
which is the guy who, you know, drives the train,
4:46
would say one day, it'll be smart enough to build a
4:48
locomotive semi truck. I
4:50
was six years old,
4:52
Around that age is when the light
4:54
bulb went off. The
4:55
idea was that you could have a truck
4:58
powered by electric motors and batteries. but
5:00
rather than needing to stop and recharge,
5:02
the batteries on the truck could be recharged
5:04
while it's in motion. They could do
5:06
this by running kind of a mini power
5:08
plant on board, almost like a
5:10
locomotive. In
5:12
the last episode, we told you about Trevor Mountain's
5:14
attempts at a new trucking technology and how
5:16
the sale of one of those companies for twelve million
5:19
dollars help seed his next enterprise. This
5:21
next company, he would go on to call
5:23
Nikola, taking the first name of the
5:25
electrical engineering pioneer, Nikola
5:27
Tesla, whose last name was
5:29
already taken. And it would be
5:31
this company, Nikola, that would attempt to
5:33
develop the electric semi truck that Trevor
5:35
had envisioned as Now
5:38
he just needed someone to build it.
5:40
Hi, mob Simpson. I'm an electrical
5:42
engineer from Farm and Oregon where I design
5:44
electric drive systems that
5:46
go into electric vehicles, whether
5:49
it's cars, trucks, motorcycles,
5:51
or really anything that moves under battery
5:53
power. Bob is an engineer. who spent a lot
5:55
of his free time rigging up electric cars at
5:57
a home workshop that he built. By
5:59
twenty
5:59
ten,
5:59
Bob had become a mainstay in the small world of
6:02
electric vehicle enthusiasts. after
6:04
taking a black BMW three series and
6:06
turning it into an electric car with a fifty mile
6:08
range. He'd go to EV meetups,
6:10
where the crowd wasn't all too different from the one Trevor
6:12
ran with back in Utah. a lot of budding
6:14
entrepreneurs who love toys. The
6:17
difference was that these toys, the electric
6:19
toys that Bob was interested in, It was
6:21
a sense among some of the people working on them,
6:23
but they might someday help save the world from the ravages
6:25
of climate change. And the auto industry was
6:27
beginning to take seriously the possibility
6:29
of an electric future. By
6:31
the early two thousand tens, electric vehicles
6:34
seem like they might become the next big thing. And
6:36
we're drawing in legacy carmakers, startups,
6:38
and garage tankers. In
6:40
his EV's inch closer to the mainstream, Bob
6:43
took his garage tinkering and he turned it into
6:45
a new business. called EV drive.
6:47
And as that business started to grow, he brought
6:49
on an apprentice, an up and coming
6:51
engineer named Paul Lackey. So
6:53
when I started working at EV drive,
6:56
it was really two guys in a
6:58
garage. We were located in
7:00
Bob's garage out in Banks, Oregon.
7:02
A lot of the people who had been hobbyist
7:04
were trying to start making businesses
7:07
out of it. So it's really
7:09
kind of a wild west community at
7:11
the time. After Bob's BMW, EV
7:13
Drive's next big project in the Wild West of electric
7:15
vehicles was an impressive little off road
7:17
number, an electric UTV. And
7:20
it was this UTV that they said brought
7:22
Trevor Milton into their lives. If
7:24
you don't know what a UTV is, imagine a
7:26
kind of off road golf cart with a roll cage.
7:28
He usually sees four people, and he's
7:31
used primarily for backcountry expeditions.
7:33
And the unique thing about this YouTube,
7:35
the thing that set it apart, Is that
7:37
EV drive had put a powerful electric motor
7:39
on each wheel? Here's Paul.
7:41
This machine had a lot more power,
7:44
so they're able to completely outrun
7:47
the gas powered version of it. And that's
7:49
something that people hadn't really seen at the
7:51
time. So this UTV, it was
7:53
really impressive. And it was also a
7:55
perfect encapsulation of one of the reasons why
7:57
electric vehicles looked like they might finally hit the mainstream.
7:59
It's not just that they're better for the
8:02
environment, that they can save you money on gas.
8:04
They can actually accelerate a lot faster
8:06
than conventional cars, which means that they
8:08
can be more fun to drive, Part
8:10
of why Tesla's caught up to use Trevor's
8:12
word from earlier. Electric vehicles were
8:14
starting to be sexy. Even if
8:16
it's, you know, a fairly powerful guess,
8:19
car. It always feels like it's
8:21
really
8:21
trying hard to move. You don't
8:23
get any of that with EVs. It's just you put
8:25
the pedal down and it's just
8:28
moving you so smoothly and quickly.
8:30
There's really no feeling like
8:32
it other than a roller coaster. Paul
8:34
and
8:34
Bob's funky little YouTube, it actually kind
8:36
of reminds me of a story we heard in episode
8:39
one about Trevor taking his spin on a go kart
8:41
that his friend rigged up with nitrous back in
8:43
Saint George. And in early
8:45
twenty fifteen, Bob got an email from
8:47
Trevor reaching out about a potential partnership,
8:49
a partnership to tackle a
8:51
really big idea. Bob says
8:53
Trevor wanted to take EV drives
8:55
technology and supersize it, put
8:57
it on a semi truck. Right
8:59
off the bat, Bob says he was really impressed
9:01
by Trevor's big idea. He
9:03
just knew that, you know, he was
9:05
on to something big that was
9:07
going to change the industry. And
9:09
I thought, alright, this is it. This is the
9:12
breakthrough, the industry needs
9:14
with electric. and it
9:16
was a brilliant design. In
9:18
March of twenty fifteen, Bob and Paul met
9:20
Trevor in person for the first time.
9:23
Trevor flew out to Oregon to check out EV
9:25
drive. And when Bob and Paul picked
9:27
him up from the airport, they say Trevor jumped right
9:29
into pitching them on his ideas. Here's
9:31
Paul. He immediately started
9:33
talking and really didn't
9:35
stop talking, you know, mostly
9:37
talking about his dreams and
9:39
what we were gonna do with him and so
9:42
forth. And he started telling
9:44
us his backstory. You know, he told the
9:46
story about when he was a little
9:48
kid and the train driver told him that
9:50
someday someone would make, you
9:52
know, a semi truck that worked like a
9:54
train and how that had been his dream and his
9:56
whole life and so forth. According to Bob
9:58
and Paul, the way Trevor told it, they were going to play
9:59
a starring role in a transportation revolution.
10:02
So for EV drive, I mean, this was
10:04
really kind of a big a potential for
10:06
a big kinda breakthrough. Absolutely,
10:08
you know. Trevor's
10:10
big thing was he would always say, you know,
10:12
I'm working with the best people people in the world.
10:15
And this project's gonna be done
10:17
by the best people in the world. And
10:20
maybe I'm gonna bring you on
10:22
and So obviously, the unspoken statement
10:24
there is you guys are the best in
10:26
the world, which we weren't, but,
10:28
you know, it's it's a nice thing
10:30
to feel. Bob and
10:31
Paul, say Trevor was offering them the chance
10:34
to join what he said was an elite team
10:36
tackling a really big idea. And
10:38
if it worked, they could build the
10:40
truck that Trevor envisioned, the engineers
10:42
from Oregon say they were told that they might
10:44
see a big payday. You know, he
10:45
mentioned that after we worked
10:48
with them, they would buy us out.
10:50
And so he
10:50
was really planting dreams in our head
10:52
for sure. Paul says you remember
10:54
something else from eating tremor for the first
10:56
time. Something that he says shocked
10:58
him. Trevor said Nikola
11:00
plan to build a hybrid electric truck with a
11:02
natural gas turbine. It wouldn't be
11:04
zero emission, but it would be a lot cleaner than
11:06
diesel. And at some
11:08
point, on Trevor's visit to Oregon,
11:10
Paul remembers when his partner Bob
11:12
asked, What if we took it one step further? What
11:14
if we tried to make a fully electric zero
11:16
emission truck rather than a hybrid?
11:18
You know, he was just kinda doing thought
11:20
experiments of what if we tried to do
11:22
this just with a battery? So it didn't
11:24
have the emissions from the from the
11:26
range extender. And Trevor,
11:28
he said, I don't give a shit about the
11:30
environment. I just wanna make money.
11:33
And, you know, that quote has stuck with me
11:35
ever since just because it was so
11:37
audacious and so vulgar and
11:39
so unexpected. Years
11:42
later, when he would be called to testify as a
11:44
witness in Trevor's Federal Fraud trial,
11:46
Paul recalled this anecdote for the jury. In
11:49
court, Trevor's lawyer has questioned whether this kind of
11:51
conversation would have shocked Paul.
11:53
pointing to examples where Paul himself used explicit
11:55
language online. But Paul
11:58
testified he wasn't just taken aback by the language, but
11:59
by the sentiment. Paul told us that he
12:02
became an engineer in part to fight climate
12:04
change. And Paul says it
12:06
for a moment, it felt strange teaming
12:08
up with someone whose motivations seemingly were
12:10
so different. But
12:12
Trevor's idea still represented a really
12:14
big opportunity to move the needle on cleaner
12:16
transportation. So the
12:18
engineers from Oregon decided to team up with
12:20
him, to help him build this unique
12:22
truck. Right away though, Paul
12:24
says that working with Trevor, it was
12:26
proving difficult. Yeah. As we
12:28
started working on this,
12:29
Trevor got a little
12:31
bit more scary. I would say, he
12:33
would get very hostile if we were,
12:36
you know,
12:36
missing a deadline
12:38
or something. And so we
12:40
were kind of a little bit intimidated
12:43
of him as as time went on.
12:45
But
12:45
for the most part, the engineers from Oregon say
12:47
they were able to look past this kind of thing.
12:49
The work was its own reward. To
12:52
them, The truck driver envisioned had a
12:54
real shot at being a very, very
12:56
impressive piece of engineering, and a
12:58
proof of concept that could kick start the electrification
13:00
of heavy transportation. Bob
13:03
and Paul said they were shipping the
13:05
components they made in their Oregon shop to Nikola
13:07
in Salt Lake City through the end of twenty
13:09
fifteen. But they say
13:11
when they visited Nikola's HQ in Salt Lake
13:13
City in early twenty sixteen, the truck
13:15
wasn't anywhere near done. At
13:18
that point, Paul says, What they
13:20
saw was mostly a bunch of unassembled
13:22
parts scattered around the warehouse. The
13:23
stuff that we had shipped them was kinda
13:26
sitting in the corner of this
13:28
empty warehouse on the same pallets we
13:30
had shipped them on. So it was
13:32
pretty obvious that there was
13:34
no truck imminent. In
13:37
May
13:37
of twenty sixteen, Nikola decided
13:39
it was time to come out of stealth mode. That's
13:41
what startup founders call it when they keep their
13:43
company secret. Nikola put out a
13:45
flurry of press releases to tell the world
13:47
what the company had in store. One,
13:51
simply announced that Nikola was going to transform
13:53
the transportation industry. Another
13:56
announced the hybrid electric truck, Bob, and Paul had
13:58
been working on. Chris and the Nicolet
14:00
one and said that the company was taking
14:02
reservations for him. The following
14:04
month, another release claimed that the Nicolet one
14:06
had already generated over two billion dollars
14:08
in preorder. and said
14:10
that the company would unveil its new truck at a
14:12
public event in December to six months
14:14
away. And then
14:16
in August, Nicola made its two most
14:18
ambitious announcements yet.
14:20
First, the company put out a press release
14:22
that said that Nicola won had achieved
14:24
zero emissions. which to
14:26
Bob and Paul just raised more questions. That
14:29
was really surprising and we spent some
14:31
time speculating on how he was
14:33
gonna make the serial emissions. And just a
14:35
few weeks later, in another press
14:37
release, Nikola provided the answer.
14:39
The Nikola one would be powered by
14:41
a hydrogen fuel cell.
14:46
The hydrogen fuel cell is a big deal in clean
14:48
energy circles. The technology is an
14:50
old one. It's been around since the
14:52
eighteen thirties. It uses a chemical
14:54
reaction to combine hydrogen, the most
14:56
abundant element in the universe. With
14:58
oxygen, the most abundant element on
15:00
earth, And in the process, it
15:02
creates electricity, heat, and
15:04
water. Remember,
15:06
Trevor's original idea was to build an electric
15:08
truck with a natural gas turbine. It would be
15:10
cleaner than a diesel, but it wouldn't be a
15:12
mission free. But if the truck
15:14
used a fuel cell instead, the only byproduct would
15:16
be water. I asked Paul,
15:19
Just to make clear, like, there's a big difference between a
15:21
hydrogen fuel cell and a
15:23
nat gas turbine, which is itself like a
15:25
pretty complex system. Yeah. So
15:27
those are completely different technologies.
15:29
Both of them are hard, but they're hard
15:31
in different ways. And, you know, the
15:33
idea that they would get
15:36
hydrogen
15:37
working
15:38
anytime soon was ridiculous.
15:40
It's like, how is he gonna do a hydrogen?
15:42
Like, where did he come up with that idea?
15:44
And I asked some of the
15:46
engineers, like, what's the plan for
15:48
hydrogen? And they
15:49
were like, we have no idea. we
15:52
have no hydrogen anything that
15:54
we're working on. And with
15:56
the trucks debut just three months out,
15:58
Bowl and Paul said that a sense of anticipation
16:00
and mystery
16:02
among some of the engineers they spoke with was
16:04
mounting ahead of the public unveiling. at
16:06
that point, we were all just kind of in the
16:08
dark, just kinda holding our breath.
16:10
Again, Bob, what was gonna happen?
16:12
Come December first, what
16:14
was he gonna say? because I knew
16:16
he had people scheduled up,
16:18
hundreds of people coming in and staying in
16:20
hotels, and it was gonna be a
16:22
big event. The engineers from Oregon
16:24
say they started working full time in Utah for
16:26
eight weeks leading up to the reveal.
16:28
And a few days before the big show, Bob
16:30
and Paul say that a sleek white
16:32
cab was put on the truck, but
16:34
they also say that the shiny new cab
16:37
was masking the fact that underneath, not only
16:39
were the trucks metal housings for gears and
16:41
motors totally empty, it
16:43
also didn't have a fuel cell in it or
16:45
anything else relating to hydrogen. They
16:47
said they watched as Nikola brought in an
16:49
artist who stenciled h
16:51
two for hydrogen on the truck.
16:53
even though there was no
16:56
hydrogen technology, not only
16:58
in this truck, but not under
17:00
development either. They
17:02
say the truck as it was, couldn't possibly
17:04
drive. In fact, Bob
17:06
and Paul told me the truck need to be plugged
17:08
into an extension cord for the headlights
17:10
to turn on. But from the
17:12
audience, it would look exactly like the truck
17:14
in the future Trevor said it was.
17:16
Paul says he was so ready to get
17:18
out of to get back to his family distance himself from
17:21
Trevor that he didn't even stick around for the
17:23
unveiling. Bob, on the
17:25
other hand, Bob says he was too
17:27
intrigued to leave, and that he'd
17:29
volunteered to be the guy who crawled onto the stage to plug
17:31
in the truck. I was very
17:33
very curious, and so I I
17:35
stayed on purpose for the event.
17:37
I mean, I didn't have to, but I wanted to
17:39
be there and and I wanted to, you
17:41
know, be on stage and and see
17:44
the whole thing splash out formally.
17:47
December first, twenty
17:50
sixteen. the day the Nikola
17:52
won would be shown to the world,
17:54
and the kick off of a two day presentation
17:56
about the truck. You can still watch
17:58
videos of the entire event This
18:01
event would be a hotly contested
18:03
part of Trevor's Fraud trial, and clips
18:05
from these videos would be presented as
18:07
evidence in that trial by
18:09
both sides. In the video of the main event, the
18:11
trucks unveiling on the first night.
18:13
You can see that the Nikola headquarters in Salt
18:15
Lake City looks
18:17
like it's hosting a Silicon Valley style
18:19
product reveal. A rotating
18:21
stage is flanked by massive
18:23
screens. There's elaborate stage driving. CEO
18:25
and founder, When Trevor Mountain's
18:27
introduced, the room goes completely dark
18:29
except for a set of spotlights that light his
18:31
path as he trots up onto the
18:33
stage. He's wearing a tight blue button down. leaves
18:35
your old up. He's got a big smile on
18:37
his face. Wow. Well, a good crowd out
18:39
here tonight. Thank you. I
18:41
appreciate it. This is a really
18:43
incredible time. one of my Trevor standing in front of the
18:45
Nikola one. It's on stage
18:47
covered by a giant white sheet. And he
18:49
tells the audience that the truck they're
18:51
about to see, it's going to change the world.
18:53
One
18:53
of the tasks in life that we have as
18:56
entrepreneurs is to be able to take risks that no one else
18:58
thought was possible, that
18:59
no one ever thought, well, they could that they could ever
19:01
do. The consequences would be too great, but we took
19:03
it and we achieved. It's a really incredible
19:05
story of our of
19:07
of our time. goes on to talk about
19:09
Nikola's innovative technology. The hydrogen
19:12
fuel cell that he says is in the
19:14
truck, how it's so much better
19:16
than diesel. The fuel cell
19:16
we have in the truck is seventy percent
19:19
efficient. So imagine a
19:20
diesel engine, you're much much
19:22
lower, a turbine, you're much much lower,
19:25
you're up to seventy percent efficient with a with a fuel
19:27
cell. He tries giving details about
19:29
the fuel cell. Our fuel cell is
19:31
APEM But Trevor seems to
19:33
forget on stage what the acronym stands for,
19:35
a proton exchange membrane, which
19:38
creates a strange moment where Trevor
19:40
just adlips. Our fuel cell is a
19:42
PEM. So Paul
19:43
Echo, Mango, whatever. I don't know the
19:46
terminology. I'll let you guys figure that out. PEM fuel
19:48
cell.
19:49
On board, There's
19:51
twenty
19:51
territox for over twenty minutes,
19:53
and then it's time for the big moment,
19:56
time to show the Nikola one to
19:58
the world.
19:59
Music
19:59
builds and is the strings
20:02
crescendo. The white
20:04
sheet covering the truck
20:05
is pulled off.
20:11
Oh, that thing is so awesome.
20:13
Oh,
20:14
we've been waiting so
20:16
long to show this the
20:18
world. You have no idea. It's a sad. It's hard
20:20
to even contain my
20:23
emotion about this.
20:25
Trucks sitting on the center of the stage,
20:27
the truck that's making Trevor emotional. It
20:29
looks like
20:30
it's from some sci fi movie about the
20:32
truckers of tomorrow. The
20:33
cabs gleaming white curves with dark angular
20:36
windows make it look like a stormtrooper's helmet
20:38
from star wars. On its
20:39
side, the words H20
20:42
emission hydrogen electric are written in
20:44
a clean bold font. Hydrogen's the
20:46
most it's it's really the
20:48
the only fill out there doesn't create any
20:50
or byproducts, incredible, only byproducts
20:53
water. So as this truck goes down the road, the only thing
20:55
coming out of this truck will be drips of water as
20:57
he's extolling the truck's benefits.
20:59
Trevor tells the audience he does have one worry.
21:01
We will have a chain on the
21:03
on the seats to prevent people
21:05
from coming into safety. don't want someone to end
21:07
up doing something and driving the truck off the
21:10
stage. So it's
21:11
a little expensive. Okay? You could probably buy
21:13
a jet with what it cost to build
21:15
this thing. So we're gonna try to keep people from
21:17
driving off, but this thing fully functions and works,
21:19
which is really incredible. Trevor
21:20
invites the then governor of Utah, Gary
21:23
Herbert, up on
21:23
stage to share in the moment. wanna
21:26
bring up the governor of Utah who is here
21:28
tonight. If you can come up, Gary appreciate it. And
21:30
on stage, standing next to the
21:32
governor. Trevor closes with
21:34
a promise. I wanted to thank for coming out to this
21:36
event. It means more to me
21:37
than anything. And this truck will
21:39
come to market. I can promise you that for
21:41
every doubter out there that said that there's
21:44
No way this is true. Absolute How
21:46
can that be possible we've done it? Bob
21:48
Simpson,
21:48
who was standing off to the side of the
21:50
stage, says he was looking on in disbelief.
21:53
He's telling everybody
21:54
something that this truck is not.
21:57
There was nothing hydrogen
21:58
about this truck. This
22:00
this is a
22:00
lie that you can't hide.
22:02
there's too many people that know about it. It's my pleasure
22:04
to actually let you guys enjoy the night, see
22:06
the truck, know it's real, touch it, feel how
22:09
sturdy it is, you're gonna see that this is a
22:11
real truck. This is not a pusher.
22:13
Thank you so much, everyone. I appreciate it.
22:15
Thank
22:16
you. Come
22:18
here, buddy. Watching
22:22
the replay of
22:22
the event online, I can almost feel
22:24
the enthusiasm in that room.
22:26
I radiates off the
22:29
screen. People are taking photos, several
22:31
get out of their chairs to applaud, a
22:33
standing ovation for a semi
22:35
truck. It seems like
22:37
a moment of triumph for Trevor. The defense
22:39
of his trial said that because the company was years
22:41
away from being publicly traded,
22:43
The events surrounding the reveal were irrelevant to
22:46
whether or not Trevor committed securities fraud.
22:48
But a jury decided that this was the
22:50
scene of a crime. And that Trevor's language
22:52
about the truck being drive a double constituted part
22:54
of his fraud. A
22:57
few days after the event, Bob was back in
22:59
Oregon with Paul. And Paul says
23:01
they were just waiting for Trevor to tell him to
23:03
get back work and what the next steps would be. What I
23:05
expected was an email the next day
23:07
saying, alright, everybody
23:09
back to Salt Lake City and let's get this
23:11
thing running before people figure out that that
23:13
doesn't work. That
23:15
email? They say it never
23:16
came. And they had their own business to
23:18
keep afloat. So the engineers from Oregon eventually
23:20
went back to work designing components for
23:22
other electric vehicle projects. They say they
23:25
tried their best to move on from Nikola.
23:27
For Trevor though, the success of the
23:29
Nikola one debut was something to build
23:31
on. It was a smash hit. On the Jamey Rec
23:33
Show podcast the following year, he said it
23:36
was Probably the most successful private
23:38
of a product in American history. He would
23:40
soon say that within just a few months of
23:42
the unveiling, Nikola was racking up billions
23:45
of dollars in preorders for the Nikola one. I got opportunity
23:47
to be able to build
23:49
a company that is turned into this
23:51
worldwide phenomenon. Within just a couple
23:53
months of launching our truck, and
23:56
a few months following thereafter, we've racked up
23:58
over six point five billion dollars
23:59
in preorders for our truck. An
24:02
internal
24:02
review by Nikola would later say
24:04
these orders were nonbinding. and that orders
24:06
for several hundred trucks were from companies
24:08
whose existence could not be confirmed. Nikola
24:11
was nonetheless asking for incentives
24:13
to build a factory to fulfill all those
24:16
preorders. I called
24:17
someone who says you heard Trevor's pitch first hand.
24:19
Can you can you hear us?
24:21
I can hear you. Yes. Okay. Great.
24:22
Former governor of Utah, Gary
24:25
Herbert, the same governor who Trevor called on
24:27
stage at the end of the Nikola one
24:29
reveal. Governor Herbert told me
24:30
that around the same time behind the scenes,
24:33
Trevor was trying to get Utah to give Nikola a
24:35
large incentive package to build its
24:37
factory there. we
24:38
started looking at the details. And one of the things that
24:40
we found out after that was, yeah,
24:42
we'd like to start building these here
24:45
and set up a manufacturing plant
24:48
And all we'd ask you to do is give us a hundred
24:50
million dollars upfront. The
24:51
former deputy head of Utah's economic
24:54
development office told us he recalls that Trevor
24:56
asked for two hundred million dollars
24:58
upfront. And he said Trevor asked for
25:00
other things as well. Look for the state
25:02
to order a thousand trucks, and buy a facility for
25:04
Nikola. The state said no.
25:05
I'm curious, did that kind of stand out?
25:07
Was that kind of an ambitious ask? Whoa.
25:10
Oh, sure. It
25:12
was ambitious, but it
25:14
was really unprecedented.
25:16
That's not how we do things
25:18
in Utah. We don't we haven't sent any programs. We
25:20
never do anything up front. Governor
25:22
Herbert said a state committee evaluated Nikola's
25:25
request and rejected it. And when
25:26
Governor Herbert talked to Trevor about it, he said
25:28
Trevor then made a harder sale. he
25:30
said, well, we're gonna go to Tennessee instead.
25:33
They're ready to take us on and
25:35
and help us where you are not willing to. And
25:37
I'd like to stay in Utah. I really want to
25:39
stay in Utah. and that's my home
25:42
state, but we're gonna have to go where
25:44
we can get the incentive. And
25:46
so, okay, well, good luck
25:48
to you. A
25:48
spokesperson for the Tennessee governor Bill
25:51
Hasland told us the state's economic development team
25:53
met with Nikola but did not pursue
25:55
the project. But in January
25:56
twenty eighteen, Nikola said it was
25:58
moving its operations
26:00
to Arizona, a state that offered the
26:02
company around five million dollars in grants
26:04
and around forty million dollars in tax incentives
26:07
provided Nikola met certain requirements.
26:09
At the
26:09
event who announced the move, Nikola showed
26:11
a video. In it,
26:13
the Nikola won. The same white truck that
26:14
Bob and Paul had worked on was
26:17
cruising on a desert highway pulling a
26:19
trailer. Panoramic drone
26:21
shots and the mountain backdrop give the clip a
26:23
real sense of speed. The company
26:25
also posted the footage on Twitter, where
26:27
Bob and Paulsock, and
26:30
they but they were completely bewildered. My first
26:32
thought was did they get that thing working?
26:34
Again, Paul. I hadn't
26:36
talked to anybody from there for
26:38
almost a year.
26:39
And so I texted my
26:43
friend and asked, hey, did you
26:45
get this truck up and running? He said, no, it
26:47
hasn't been touched since the show.
26:49
Meanwhile, Trevor's vision for Nikola
26:51
kept growing well beyond just
26:53
semi trucks. Trevor started talking a lot
26:55
about Nikola's plan to start making all the hydrogen to
26:57
fuel those trucks. as well. The biggest difference we've
26:59
been able to do is disrupt the whole supply
27:01
chain. So Nikola doesn't just build
27:03
the hydrogen electric truck
27:05
from the ground up, but we also build the
27:08
hydrogen stations that go with it.
27:10
It's the chicken and the egg. The
27:12
chicken
27:12
and the egg. This
27:14
idea was central to Trevor's vision for the company in the years
27:16
following the Nikola one reveal. Remember,
27:19
hydrogen fuel cells have been around since
27:21
the eighteen thirties, and fuel cells have been
27:23
put in cars experimentally at least since
27:26
the nineteen sixty. You could
27:28
buy hydrogen car right now. But
27:30
unless you live in California, you probably wouldn't have anywhere to
27:32
fill it up. And that's because no one's made clean
27:34
hydrogen fuel at affordable prices in
27:36
the US or built the network of stations that
27:38
would be necessary for interstate
27:41
travel. And Trevor said Nikola
27:43
planned to do just that. He wanted
27:45
Nikola to make both the trucks and
27:47
the fuel. It was as if the company's
27:49
business plan was to be the next Ford
27:51
Motor and the
27:53
next ExxonMobil. And
27:56
as Trevor cast his vision for Nikola's
27:58
future, other companies started wanting to
27:59
get in on it. Nikola
28:01
developed partnerships with some huge names
28:03
in global manufacturing. companies like Bosch.
28:05
We got Robert Bosch to put a hundred and
28:07
thirty million dollars into our company. And how did
28:09
I do that? I proved the fuel cell could work, and
28:11
I turned out and I said, hey, I've got I
28:14
will allow you guys to manufacture it for the whole world if you build it
28:16
for us and save me a billion dollars. And
28:18
they said, done. Let's do it.
28:20
We
28:21
reached out to Bosch, which told us it wouldn't comment
28:23
about Trevor Mountain. It did say it,
28:25
quote, invested in early funding rounds for Nikola
28:27
because it believes in the possibilities of
28:30
hydrogen technology. end quote. It
28:32
also told us that it's continuing to
28:34
develop fuel cell technologies and supporting
28:36
global customers, including Nikola. And
28:38
with partners like Bosch, Nikola was getting access
28:40
to the kind of engineering firepower and
28:43
cache that would help it develop prototypes of
28:45
new trucks, prototypes that could
28:46
actually drive.
28:49
I think this is one of the most crucial
28:50
parts of the story to understand.
28:52
I remember later when Nikola was getting called
28:54
out by skeptics for allegedly overhyping
28:57
its technology, People were asking if Nikola
28:59
was like Theranos. The company whose founder
29:01
was later convicted of misleading investors
29:03
over its blood testing technology. But
29:06
what happened here is far more interesting than that
29:08
because unlike Theranos, Nikola in
29:10
this moment didn't require some big
29:13
technological breakthrough. The technology already
29:15
existed even if it wasn't practical
29:17
yet. And though according to Bob
29:19
and Paul, while the Nikola one might not have been
29:21
everything Trevor claimed it was, there is actually
29:23
a world in which everything Trevor envisioned for
29:25
Nikola could become reality.
29:28
Through twenty nineteen, the company raised hundreds of millions
29:30
of dollars and continued making big deals
29:32
with big companies, gaining access to
29:34
technology and manufacturing partners.
29:37
By the end of twenty nineteen, Nikola still hadn't
29:39
made a truck for production yet, but Trevor
29:41
said the company was well on its way, that the
29:43
first trucks would be on the road soon. To
29:44
reach the kind of scale that Trevor
29:47
planned for Inicola though, plans that
29:49
involved building hundreds of hydrogen stations in
29:51
addition to thousands of trucks The company
29:53
would need a lot more money.
29:55
So in early twenty twenty, Nico
29:57
announced the company's biggest move yet.
29:59
the company was about to go
30:02
public. And it would do so during one of the
30:04
wildest stock market environments in
30:06
history. Many
30:06
of the top stocks on Robinhood have
30:09
seen triple digit returns in the past
30:11
month.
30:11
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30:13
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30:15
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In March
31:39
of twenty twenty, while the US was starting to shut
31:42
down from the spread of a new coronavirus,
31:44
Trevor
31:44
and Nikola were staying active.
31:46
Nikola had
31:47
just announced that it would go public in the
31:49
next few months. Trevor was interviewed
31:51
on CNBC, live on the
31:52
floor of the New York Stock Exchange to talk
31:55
about Pretty happy to be sitting down now with the
31:57
founder and CEO of Nikola.
32:00
Nikola, I'm still trying to work on
32:02
it guys, but I'm gonna get it right. With the
32:04
pandemic looming The floor of the exchange behind
32:06
Trevor in the video is bereft of its usual
32:08
hustle and bustle. There are three people
32:10
behind the news desk. There's the
32:12
interviewer, David Faber, one of CNBC's
32:14
biggest There's Trevor
32:16
in his characteristic Nikola Polo
32:18
shirt, and a third man, a member
32:20
of Nikola's Board of Directors. a
32:22
swab looking guy and a suit and tie, longest gray hair pushed
32:24
behind his ears. Trevor Milton, and
32:27
Jeff up, and of course a man you've seen occasionally
32:29
on CNBC, though, not in some
32:31
time. chairman of Value Act. Jeff Obin
32:33
is a notable name in the finance world.
32:35
He's famous for being an activist investor,
32:37
which means he and his firm Value Act would
32:39
buy large stakes companies and push
32:41
to implement his ideas on how they should be
32:44
run. And ValueAct had just
32:46
made a sizable investment in Nikola with
32:48
Jeff taking a seat on Nikola's board.
32:51
We reached out to Jeff Obin for comment and we didn't
32:53
get a response. Activist
32:55
investors like Jeff can sometimes be at odds
32:57
with company's executives. But
33:00
at Nikola, Jeff says he was aligned with Trevor's vision.
33:02
In that CNBC interview, Jeff says he used
33:04
his influence on Nikola's board to help convince
33:06
Trevor that now was the right time to go
33:09
public. He says that with enough
33:11
capital, Nikola has the chance to grow into one of the
33:13
most valuable companies in the world. I
33:15
mean, this is this is a
33:17
hundred billion dollar company.
33:19
A hundred billion dollars company
33:21
because it's solving the biggest problem,
33:23
which is decarbonized in transport fuel.
33:26
In its deal to go public, Nikola said its value was a
33:28
little over three billion dollars at this point.
33:30
And Jeff Albin was making the
33:32
case on national television that
33:34
it might grow into a hundred billion dollar company. And
33:36
he's betting that going public now is the
33:38
route that just might get it there. but
33:41
the way Trevor and decided to go public might have been a key
33:43
reason for his conviction. The
33:45
normal process to go public, listing your company
33:47
through an IPO, it's a
33:50
cumbersome one. It can take years to prepare
33:52
with lots of legal review and back and forth with
33:54
the SEC. Trevor Mountain and
33:56
Jeff Robbins say that they chose a quicker
33:58
way because there was a hot new
33:59
trending capital hit. SPACS.
34:02
SPACS have burst into the mainstream
34:05
this year.
34:05
Everybody needs to have a spat. SPACS.
34:07
SPACS. SPACS. SPACS. As you might
34:10
guess, SPAC is an
34:12
abbreviation. It stands for a special purpose
34:14
acquisition company. It's kind of a go public
34:16
quick alternative to an IPO. A SPAC
34:18
is essentially a publicly traded shell company
34:20
with a pile of cash. It's listed on a
34:22
stock exchange but doesn't have an actual
34:24
operating business. For this reason, often
34:26
called blank check companies. Here's how
34:28
they work. Spacks go public and raise
34:30
money from investors by promising to buy
34:32
a private company with that cash. Private
34:35
company gets new funding and a public listing
34:37
with less scrutiny than a traditional
34:40
IPO. Investors
34:40
in this fact hope the combined
34:42
company is a big hit. But
34:44
here's the key difference. A SPAC deal is a merger, not
34:47
an IPO, which means the private
34:49
company doesn't have to go through the entire slog of
34:51
the traditional IPO process.
34:54
And this is part of Trevor's pitch in the interview on
34:56
CNBC. We needed a method to get to
34:58
the market, to get publicly traded quickly, and that's
35:00
really what the SPAC was there for. It
35:04
It helped us get to market in less than six months, saved us a bunch
35:06
of time. In other words, one
35:08
of the main reasons Trevor
35:09
says Nikola is choosing to go public through
35:11
his back, is speed. and
35:13
the kind of money that public markets provide could help fund
35:16
Trevor's vision for Nikola's future. So what
35:18
was the key advance here that you feel you've made?
35:20
I would assume it has to do with the fuel
35:22
cells themselves? No. It's actually the
35:24
chicken and the egg. It's very similar to Amazon.
35:26
The reason why Amazon's been so successful
35:28
around the world is that they cover
35:30
not just the goods sold online. I mean,
35:32
anyone can do that. but it's the entire
35:34
logistics behind it, the vertical
35:36
integration. Very similar to what Nikola has
35:38
done. What we've done is we don't just sell a truck.
35:40
We're really a tech energy company. It's what
35:42
we are. We actually sell all the energy for the truck to the
35:44
consumer at the same time. Got
35:46
that. Again,
35:47
Trevor's saying Nikola isn't
35:49
just a truck company. It's
35:52
an energy technology company, building an entire ecosystem
35:54
around the future of transportation. That's
35:56
the vision Trevor is pitching
36:00
to investors. And Trevor says that the money the company is planning to raise
36:02
will help Nikola grow into a
36:04
manufacturing juggernaut. The crazy thing is we'll
36:06
be the largest energy consumer in the
36:08
world in
36:10
seven years. the largest energy consumer in the world
36:12
in seven years. It's a
36:14
remarkable claim. And forecasts
36:16
like that
36:16
like that You don't
36:17
typically hear them in a traditional IPO
36:20
process because there are actually other differences
36:22
beyond just speed that separates back
36:24
from IPOs. I called
36:25
a professor at the University of Washington
36:27
who spent a lot of time studying this back boom
36:29
to help explain. I'm Beth
36:31
Blanca Spohr, and my main
36:34
research agenda is anything dealing with
36:36
how companies communicate
36:36
with their investors. Beth says
36:38
that in a traditional IPO, companies go
36:40
dark for weeks before their shares
36:42
begin trading. no executive interviews, no big press
36:45
releases. It's called a quiet period. But
36:47
Beth says that a lot of companies that
36:49
went public through specs in twenty twenty, they
36:51
did things a little differently. There
36:53
are
36:53
a lot of rules around IPOs because
36:55
it's a new company coming out to the market
36:57
and no one really knows about
36:59
it. With stocks, the word on the street was, yeah,
37:01
you can say, you know, more things. There is
37:04
less risk that you'll get
37:06
in trouble. because it's
37:08
technically not an IPO. It's more like a
37:10
merger and, you know, we say things in mergers.
37:12
It's fine. The SPAC
37:13
IPO distinction is kind of a
37:15
legal gray area. But in twenty twenty, around the time Nikola
37:17
went this back route, some folks on Wall Street were arguing
37:20
that spec deals offered certain protections that
37:22
IPOs didn't.
37:24
protections around things like forecasting future results.
37:26
You have these firms
37:27
making really optimistic claims, and some
37:29
of them, like
37:32
Nikola, they're talking during the whole process
37:34
where most IPOs, they're not
37:36
allowed to say things. And
37:38
that,
37:39
Beth says, led to
37:41
a situation in the summer of twenty twenty where some executives striking SPAC deals were making
37:43
big claims about their company's futures, right as
37:45
the public was hearing about them for
37:47
the first time. And this
37:49
stuff she says, it just doesn't
37:51
happen with IPOs. You have
37:53
this playground where they're told
37:55
they can say all sorts of
37:57
future projections and are safe from lawsuits. And then they start
38:00
looking around and they see that all these
38:02
other facts saying be
38:04
fantastic. And now suddenly you have this competition
38:06
where everyone's trying to say, I'm going
38:08
to be the best. You should invest
38:11
in me. And my reporting shows
38:12
that Trevor had a history of giving investors
38:14
rosy projections about the future. When
38:16
I watched that interview with Trevor Milton
38:18
and Jeff Alvin on CNBC, I'm
38:21
reminded of some of Trevor's early investors back
38:23
in Saint George who said Trevor told them
38:25
that they'd double their money. And I'm
38:27
reminded of dehybrid's projections. which said the
38:29
company would go from no revenue to hundreds of millions
38:32
in profits in just a few
38:34
years. And by twenty
38:34
twenty, it was Nikola telling investors
38:37
to expect pretty amazing growth. If
38:39
the company achieved
38:39
what it was forecasting, it would be the fastest company ever to
38:41
go from no annual revenue to ten billion
38:43
dollars in annual
38:46
new. Beat in current record holder, Google. And
38:48
Beth thinks there's another reason why companies
38:50
who do SPAC mergers might choose to
38:53
make these kinds of projections. Retail
38:55
investors. Meaning individual investors who use
38:57
brokerage accounts like Fidelity or Robinhood,
39:00
trading on their phones
39:02
and laptops, looking for
39:04
the next Google. A
39:05
lot of retail investing is, you
39:07
know, looking for that one outlier. And
39:09
then all the company they haven't sent
39:11
us to say, I'm gonna be that one great company you should invest in me. And by
39:13
the summer of twenty twenty, individual
39:14
investors had become a
39:17
market moving force.
39:19
I talked to my colleague, Gunjan Banerjee, a lead
39:21
writer for our markets coverage at The Journal,
39:23
to talk about how that happened and
39:25
what it meant. Gungjin has done a
39:27
lot of reporting on the retail trading boom over the past couple of years, and
39:29
she told me that the reason behind
39:31
it was actually pretty simple. It
39:33
was really easy to make money in the stock market in the
39:36
spring of twenty twenty. You had
39:37
the COVID-nineteen
39:38
pandemic, and
39:40
all of a sudden, the economy was shut
39:42
down. We were all sitting
39:44
at home on our computers or on
39:46
our phone spending so much time staring
39:48
at these screens. There was no
39:50
sports. There was no sports betting.
39:52
So this kind of became national entertainment to
39:55
trade stocks. And it was
39:57
so fun at the time because
39:59
everything was going up And
40:01
it seems like everyone around you is
40:04
finding success in the stock market. So
40:06
why not try to double or triple
40:08
or quadruple your money?
40:09
and it just seems so easy to get stupid
40:12
rich.
40:12
Couldn't you tell me there were a lot of stocks you could have
40:14
invested in around March of twenty twenty that would
40:16
have given you solid returns as the market bounce
40:18
back. And she
40:19
echoed with Beth, the accounting professor said,
40:22
that many of these retail traders
40:24
weren't just looking for solid returns. They
40:26
were looking for
40:28
massive returns. A
40:28
lot of investors were looking for hyper growth stocks. They
40:30
were looking for companies that promised insane
40:32
amounts of growth in the future.
40:36
what is the next Tesla? What's the next Amazon?
40:38
Do you
40:38
remember the first time you heard the name
40:40
Nikola? Or,
40:41
like, in what context? the
40:43
first time I heard the word
40:46
Nikola was probably when I
40:47
was talking
40:48
to individual investors in
40:52
twenty twenty. one stock a
40:54
lot of people were focused on was
40:56
Tesla. But a lot of individual
40:58
investors, they had missed out
41:00
on Tesla. So I think the first time I heard about
41:02
Nikola was, you know, someone saying to me this
41:04
is gonna be the next Tesla. And
41:06
in that interview on
41:07
CNBC in March? Trevor
41:09
underlined the parallels he saw between the two
41:12
companies. Tesla, by the way, has has done an
41:14
incredible job. They've they've gathered the
41:16
whole world to follow behind him, and that's kind of what
41:18
Nikola has done around the trucking role. We have the
41:20
same type of following of people that
41:22
just love love us. It's a re it really is a
41:24
retail play. We reached out to Tesla
41:26
for comment, and we didn't get
41:28
a response. In the run up to trading some
41:30
YouTube stock influencers were already asking
41:32
whether Nikola really might be the
41:34
next Tesla. and Trevor
41:36
Milton, the Elon Musk of the eighteen
41:38
wheeler. Tesla is the future,
41:40
but wait, have we found the
41:42
next Tesla? is investing
41:44
in the Nikola Motors IPO in
41:46
twenty twenty similar to
41:48
investing in the Tesla IPO in twenty
41:50
ten. And on June fourth, twenty twenty,
41:52
Nikola
41:52
went public. Trevor thanked his
41:54
supporters on a live broadcast. This
41:56
is where
41:57
our opportunity today is to
41:59
celebrate with all of you and of our
41:59
employees, all of our fans and our
42:02
believers, everyone who wants to
42:04
actually change the world. As a
42:06
part of
42:08
this announcement, Trevor's face was actually projected on a screen in Times
42:10
Square to count down to the closing bell. I
42:12
wanna thank all the governments and all
42:14
the investors
42:16
that have made this possible. It's now my
42:18
opportunity
42:18
and my pleasure
42:20
to count down to the ringing of the
42:22
bell for the Nasdaq with the nuclear motor
42:24
company. After
42:27
Nicolas shares
42:30
started trading,
42:32
Trevor took
42:34
to Twitter to tell of Nikola's coming success.
42:37
And some of these tweets would also
42:39
be a hotly contested issue at Trevor's
42:41
trial. One of the things he about
42:43
in the days following Nikola's debut on the
42:45
stock market was a zero mission pickup truck
42:47
that Nikola said it was working on called
42:49
the Badger. A truck Trevor said was designed
42:51
to dethrone the top selling vehicle in America,
42:54
the Ford f one fifty. So
42:56
a Nikola investor in those early days was buying
42:58
shares in a company that its founder said would make
43:00
semi trial hydrogen fueling stations
43:02
and pickups, the most popular style
43:04
of vehicle in the US. The excitement
43:07
around the company reached a fever
43:09
pitch. A nicholas stock live
43:11
tire after Trevor tweeted on June seventh
43:13
that reservations for the Badger would be going
43:15
live soon. Nikola
43:18
Motors is on absolute fire today.
43:20
If you guys aren't
43:23
entertained yet, well, make sure you stay
43:25
tuned because we're talking more
43:27
about this in insane supernova move today
43:30
here on MTLA.
43:32
By June ninth, Nikola had evaluation
43:34
around thirty billion dollars.
43:37
It shares been trading for four days. At the trial,
43:39
the defense's only witness was Alan
43:41
Farrell, who teaches securities law at Harvard
43:43
Law School. Farrell testified that changes
43:45
in needless stock price
43:47
could explained by factors including market forces, company
43:49
announcements, and random volatility, but
43:51
not retail investors relying on
43:54
tweets. Two retail investors
43:55
testified at the trial that
43:57
they did rely on tremor statements. It is
43:59
the
43:59
new hot electric vehicle stock.
44:02
Nikola roaring higher. It is now up
44:04
ninety six percent since its June
44:06
fourth debut of one point last week and had
44:08
a market cap bigger than that a
44:10
Ford
44:10
Motor. Again, Trevor talked to Twitter.
44:12
Quote, I've wanted to say this
44:14
my whole adult life. Nikola is worth
44:16
more than Ford and FCA
44:18
nipping on the heels of GM. It
44:20
may go up and down and that's like
44:23
but I'll do my part to be the
44:25
most accessible and direct executive on
44:27
Twitter.
44:27
Others will
44:30
follow. This is
44:31
when Nikola really caught my eye as
44:33
a reporter. I was on the auto's desk at the
44:35
time. And when an electric vehicle start ups
44:38
market cap balloons pass forwards within a week of going public. It's the
44:40
kind of thing that grabs your
44:42
attention. I was assigned to write my first story about
44:43
Nikola that
44:46
day. One
44:46
of the things I found most striking as I started
44:49
reporting was the company's flamboyant, very online founder, and how
44:51
he used social media, The
44:54
investors around the world right now are tired. They're tired of,
44:56
like, an executive sitting in an office
44:58
behind his chair making millions of dollars and,
45:00
you know, forgetting about
45:02
the average factory worker or even the
45:04
consumer. So there's unparalleled contact
45:06
between myself, the one the
45:08
the executive chairman, and the of Nichola and
45:11
all of our fans over
45:12
the summer
45:13
of twenty twenty. On podcasts, on
45:15
television, on social media, I
45:17
watched Trevor
45:18
tell Grindr and Grindr stories about himself
45:20
and the company that he founded. I spent
45:22
my life trying to build that
45:25
locomotive semi truck. And I did. I was the first person in the
45:27
world to build a locomotive semi truck. I watched him tell the story
45:29
of a
45:29
serial entrepreneur. One whose
45:32
ideas were sometimes ahead of
45:34
their time. We
45:35
met with every truck company in the world, and most of them were so arrogant that I could never work
45:37
with them. They were just complete a holes. And, you
45:39
know, I would walk in the room and say, why should we
45:41
work with you? And I would just
45:43
walk right out the door. I'm like, if you
45:45
can't see why your old dinosaur ass
45:48
needs to work with me, I have no
45:50
desire to even be in
45:52
this room. But now
45:53
he said his idea had
45:55
finally arrived. Success was
45:58
inevitable. I'm gonna build this company become the
45:59
most valuable trucking company in
46:02
the world. of the most valuable brands in the world. One of the top, you
46:04
know, maybe five or ten greatest growth stories in
46:06
American history because I know what's
46:08
coming. And while Trevor was talking up
46:09
Nikola's potential,
46:12
the company's early success had made him very, very rich.
46:14
He set a Utah real estate
46:16
record with the purchase of a thirty two million
46:18
dollars range. It's got eight bedrooms.
46:21
a helicopter pad, and a wine seller,
46:23
which Trevor did a walk through of for his followers
46:25
on Instagram. So this is a little wine seller thing
46:28
we have
46:30
and my My wife drinks wine. I don't. So all the wine you see is
46:32
hers, but you can see instead of bottles of wine,
46:34
there's like Trevor also bought a
46:36
Gulfstream private
46:38
jet. from a fund led by the Nikola board member we mentioned earlier,
46:40
Jeff Obin. He paid for it with
46:42
six million dollars worth of Nikola stock.
46:45
He bought two other planes as well and
46:47
would post videos about them on social media. I'll
46:49
try to do a couple little videos of
46:51
me flying up there. lot different than the other plane
46:53
I usually film with because this guy is a little guy. I looked in Nikola's filings
46:55
and saw that Trevor sold around ninety four million
46:57
dollars worth of stock around the time of
46:59
this back deal. And
47:01
at the Stock's peak in June, Trevor's remaining
47:04
shares in Nikola were worth more than eight
47:06
billion dollars. It
47:08
seemed like everything was going swimming late for Trevor
47:10
Melt From the outside,
47:12
he seemed unstoppable, but
47:15
that would soon
47:18
change. On the next
47:20
episode
47:20
of Bad Bets.
47:22
We take you inside the group of people
47:24
who would band together to bet against Trevor
47:26
Milton. I called him up and
47:28
he answered and I said, look, I'm a lawyer
47:30
in Salt Lake City. I'm
47:34
just investigating This guy Trevor Milton, and I said, man, I've been
47:36
waiting for this call for about ten years.
47:38
And a team of professional skeptics
47:40
puts Trevor under
47:42
a microscope We just went through all the video footage that we could
47:44
find, all of his interviews,
47:46
and just systematically went through the
47:48
claims to try and
47:50
test them to see if
47:52
they're real. And that became kind of the foundation of
47:54
the short report, a list of
47:56
lies. That episode is
47:59
out next week on October twenty eighth. Bad bets is
48:02
a production of The Wall Street Journal. This
48:04
season is produced with jigsaw productions in
48:06
collaboration with
48:08
Storyforce Entertainment. This
48:09
episode is hosted by me,
48:11
Ben Foldy. The series is directed by
48:13
Sruthi Pinemon eighty. Scott Callaway is
48:15
the supervising producer. Ken Brown
48:18
is WSJ's financial enterprise
48:20
editor. Shane McKinnon, Frank Matt,
48:22
and Garrett Graham are
48:24
the editorial consulting by PJ Boat, fact
48:26
checking by Elizabeth Moss, sound design,
48:28
original composition, and mixing by
48:30
Armin Bazarian.
48:32
the Wall Street Journal, Daniel Rosen is the co executive producer
48:34
of WSA Studios. Ben Waltman is
48:36
the senior executive producer. For jigsaw
48:38
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48:42
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