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website for details. Why do ancient

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entities of Africa hide in the

1:04

stars? Can

1:07

mass hysteria explain a crucial

1:09

moment in UFO history? Did

1:12

children really witness what they thought they did in 1994? Today

1:16

we test the believability of the

1:19

Rua incident. Welcome

1:26

to

1:31

Believing

1:36

the

1:41

Bizarre.

1:46

Where we dive into the unknown and the unusual. And

1:48

tell you whether or not we find it believable. Welcome

1:51

in today. Gather round. Join us.

1:53

Come to the story circle, children.

1:56

Children. Yes. Everybody. Yeah, but

1:58

it's about children. It is. is without

2:01

them chillin'. This is a pretty famous site.

2:03

I'm actually, I'm not surprised you haven't heard

2:05

of it because it's like, well I've heard

2:07

of it now. Now you've heard of it. It's

2:09

like between well known and like on

2:12

the cusp. I feel like you know the alien stuff, you

2:14

know the story. I am

2:16

curious, let us know after you listen to

2:18

this episode if you already hadn't known about

2:20

it or not. It'll be interesting to

2:22

see. Last podcast. We still haven't done raw as

2:24

well, I'm just saying. That's true.

2:27

Well, it'll be like you, put it like

2:29

that. It'll be our 10 year anniversary and

2:31

we'll do something like Bigfoot or

2:33

Roswell. Bigfoot? I don't know if we'll

2:36

ever do specifically just Bigfoot. Yeah, just

2:38

it's like off brand, great value, Louisiana

2:40

cousins. I'm sorry, I could say like.

2:43

Do you mean Louisiana, heartfeltly? Oh yeah.

2:45

Because of the Honey Island swanmars. It

2:47

could be like the

2:49

Pacific Northwest Bigfoot. That could be an

2:52

episode. The P&Dubs? Yeah. So

2:54

before we start today, some of our

2:56

sources are the National Library of Medicine,

2:59

Vice, and IFLS.

3:04

IFLS? Yes, I

3:06

love science. Is the? Website,

3:09

no. So this

3:11

takes place. In Africa. Zimbabwe, you

3:13

might say. You could say

3:15

that. I think the city is Ruba. I

3:18

think that's why it's called the Ruba incident. This

3:20

is very rural, this takes place. Okay.

3:23

This is in the country. I don't know anything about, the

3:25

only thing I know about Zimbabwe, the only reason I knew

3:28

it existed as a child was in

3:31

Metal Gear when Snake is fighting Gray

3:33

Fox, who's like the ninja in that

3:35

game. Yeah. I talked, no, that's

3:37

a lie. I don't even think it's Zimbabwe. I think it was

3:39

Zanzibar. Nevermind. I don't know why I

3:41

know it's Zimbabwe. Zanzibar is a tropical island, right? It's

3:44

because I'm an adult now. That's why I know it

3:46

exists. Yeah. Different Z. Please,

3:48

I have a connection to Zimbabwe, but I

3:50

don't remember where it is either. It's not

3:52

that meaningful. Were you there this? No. I

3:55

was around the age of these children. I was

3:57

like two. Yeah.

4:00

or three at the time, I was young. They

4:02

were young too. Yeah, they were in elementary school

4:04

though. They were gifted too. I

4:07

don't know if they were gifted, but they were

4:09

gifted. They

4:11

were financially gifted. That's right. The children in

4:13

the school and the country of Zimbabwe had

4:15

their lives changed in 1994. Now

4:18

the aerial school was a normal

4:21

elementary school in Rua, a

4:23

rural area of the country in Africa that

4:26

only had 62 students at the time.

4:30

The whole class was 62. The

4:32

class or the school? The whole school, I

4:34

apologize. The whole school only had 62 children.

4:37

I was gonna say, you're coming from like inner city Cleveland,

4:39

so when you say only 62, you

4:42

know, my classes were like 16. So

4:45

for you, you might have been, yeah. In

4:48

elementary school. I had so many, there were so many

4:50

kids in my school. There were hundreds.

4:53

Yeah. It was a mad house. Wait,

4:55

hundreds in one class? No, well, no. No,

5:00

no. The entire class would be roll call.

5:03

It'd be like, all right, what name's start?

5:05

Zach, and then here, ding, ding, ding, ding,

5:07

ding. It's like, all right, class over. Yeah,

5:10

no, I mean, there'd probably be

5:12

like 32 in my third grade

5:14

class. Okay. But it doesn't matter.

5:16

Yeah, you're right. I'm going on a tangent. But

5:18

something happened here at this

5:21

normal place in front of these children

5:23

that may have been one of the

5:25

most significant events in UFO history. That's

5:27

a big claim. It

5:30

is, well, this is pretty potent. The

5:32

school year had really just started, and

5:34

the children began getting into the boring routine of

5:36

school life. But on

5:39

September 16th, the students of the aerial

5:41

school started to notice something

5:44

out of the ordinary when they're on their morning

5:46

break. They're all out in the play yard,

5:49

the whole like fenced in area around the school. And

5:51

the children were playing outside when the teachers

5:54

were inside there doing a faculty meeting. Wait,

5:56

there was no supervision? No, there was not.

5:58

This was 19. 94 I Feel

6:02

like that's a big part of this is

6:04

because there is no supervision Wow They

6:06

were out there trading stocks and talking about

6:08

what the next Audi they were gonna buy

6:11

But teachers no no the kids

6:14

teachers pie won't make it that much. No, they

6:16

didn't have Audi money They have like Fisher price

6:18

out. Yeah, Tonka. No, but you're

6:20

right the kids were like talking about,

6:22

you know financial dividends Mm-hmm. Yes, but

6:25

that's what a few students noticed. They saw a

6:28

flat shiny disc fly

6:30

in from the sky in the

6:32

sunlight and land on

6:35

a very close Hill but

6:38

that's when several children ran to the edge of

6:40

the school property into the border and From

6:43

this distance they could see that the disc was was

6:46

very close. Maybe Maybe

6:48

only like 20 feet. It was very

6:50

close from the board of the school

6:52

and from

6:55

this disc They

6:57

saw something emerge They

7:00

saw figures Coming out

7:02

of the craft going onto the hill

7:05

The children said that they were only in the area

7:07

for like 15 minutes. It was very quick they

7:10

came down landed came out as only 15 minutes and

7:14

They left as quickly as they come

7:17

So they landed walked around

7:19

observed got back in the ship and took

7:21

right off They

7:23

told all the children told

7:25

the teachers about what they saw They

7:28

did not necessarily believe them. No But

7:31

that's not where it stopped the children came

7:34

home that night and they all

7:36

told their parents the same thing the

7:38

same story and this In

7:41

turn launched an investigation in the UFO

7:43

community because the the

7:45

parents started talking to you the

7:48

press Mmm about the children

7:50

saw aliens. I bet the

7:52

press were so excited to have this news

7:54

I think so. There's not much like

7:57

you hear one parent say and you're like, oh, that's

7:59

weird and then and you start hearing more parents come out

8:01

and say it? Yeah, yeah, let me get

8:03

into it later. That's one of the

8:05

things that makes this so compelling. It's

8:07

like, imagine the aliens coming down, and

8:10

they're like, ah, this is Earth. Let's see what it's

8:12

like. And they're like, oh my god,

8:14

they keep their children in cages. This

8:17

is so, we gotta get outta here. And the

8:19

heat, oh boy. Yeah, I

8:21

don't know what they're doing. Sounds like they turned around.

8:23

Like, you know when you get off on the side

8:25

of the, like, you made a wrong turn, and

8:28

then you get off the side of the road, and you're like,

8:30

ah, you stretch your legs for a minute? You're like, I gotta get

8:32

going outta here. Earth was just a wrong turn. So

8:35

when the local UFO reporter came in,

8:38

she asked the children to draw what they saw.

8:41

And the strange thing is, they

8:43

were all really consistent in

8:45

their drawings. They all drew the same silver

8:47

disc, and they all drew what

8:50

people would consider the classic

8:52

gray alien. Like the bulbous

8:54

head, little body, big eyes.

8:57

One child said, quote, it looked

8:59

like it was glinting in the trees. It

9:01

looked like a disc, like a brown disc.

9:03

And another one said, I saw

9:06

something silver on the ground amongst the trees,

9:08

and a person in black. The

9:10

children that went to this

9:13

small school had a variety of backgrounds, but

9:15

they all have one thing in common, and that

9:17

was money, as

9:19

the tuition for the school was substantial. Now,

9:22

Cindy Hind believed the children,

9:25

and that's the ufologist, yes. But

9:27

she also realized that some of the

9:29

children, from more traditional Zimbabwean backgrounds, some

9:33

of their stories to be not alien,

9:35

but something that they

9:37

consider more to their

9:39

culture. She said that, quote, the children said

9:41

that the figures could have

9:43

been the via komumbapu,

9:46

which are spirits of

9:48

humans raised by

9:51

magic. Like not raised

9:53

like familiar, but raised like, raised like from

9:55

the dead. Or it could have been a

9:57

tokuloshii. or

10:01

an evil goblin of the

10:03

local native folklore that are said

10:05

to suck the solar blood from

10:07

people. And went to Renner Center

10:09

and grabbed a spaceship real quick. Who

10:11

knows, I guess so. They're kids, sorry. Yeah,

10:13

they're kids. So obviously

10:15

aliens make more sense. Well,

10:18

I wonder what the parents, like the

10:20

parents probably think they're making it up, or not

10:22

making it up, but the parents, the teachers, you

10:24

know, they're probably like, oh, there's probably a rational

10:27

explanation. But I wonder what they

10:29

think, if they don't think they're just making

10:31

it up, what they think they could have

10:33

actually have seen. Yeah, well that's part of

10:35

the problem, is that there's so many kids

10:37

that are all reporting the exact same thing.

10:39

Yeah, so if it's not

10:41

aliens, like what could it be? Yeah,

10:43

like what would be the most, if

10:45

you don't believe in aliens, if you're,

10:47

you know, logical, what would you say

10:50

that they saw? My guess, I

10:53

would guess UFO, no, that's right. Oh,

10:55

that's cool. Well, it's gotta be an alien. If

10:58

it's not a UFO, then it

11:00

would be maybe military.

11:04

But who's military, I guess,

11:06

because it's overseas,

11:09

maybe, I don't think it'd be America. And

11:11

then what's the creature they're seeing? Some

11:13

kind of suit? They just

11:16

got, it's like a brand new silver

11:18

Toyota Tundra, never seen one before.

11:20

Dude, and a hazmat suit coming out. Toyota

11:23

Tundra that flew in from the sky, it

11:26

fell. They dropped it from the

11:28

shipment in an airplane. It

11:30

just drove off after. Yeah, it was like

11:33

a stunt scene

11:35

where they drive out of the

11:37

airplane. That's

11:39

pretty cool, I'd watch that. Tom

11:42

Cruise, he's around 94. Yeah, was he?

11:45

I don't know. He was, yeah. So

11:47

Cynthia believed that these different interpretations, accompanied

11:50

by similar drawings and descriptions,

11:53

gave more credibility to the idea that the

11:55

children had all

11:57

seen a similar event, which makes

11:59

sense. There's a lot of witnesses, they're all

12:01

saying the same thing. I guess

12:03

the only criticism there is that they are children. So

12:07

does that make them most credible? It's

12:09

the idea that there's multiple children maybe.

12:11

Yeah. I think the

12:13

most credible thing to me is

12:16

the fact that they all described it and

12:18

drew it the same. Because

12:20

even if you get like

12:22

15 adults together, you

12:25

can kind of like someone can lead it and say, they're

12:27

going to ask us this, this is what we say. When

12:29

they ask us to do this, somebody

12:32

organizes it. I

12:34

don't think, it's hard for me

12:37

to imagine perfectly these kids organizing that.

12:39

I could see kids being like, oh

12:41

let's tell these. Let's tell a lie. Yeah,

12:44

for fun. Let's see how far we can take this thing. Yeah.

12:47

And maybe they did say, well what are we going to say? Maybe

12:50

it was, but I don't know if that's not

12:52

fun. I'm not sure about that. But

12:56

the incident did attract the attention of

12:58

Harvard professor John Mack. So

13:00

he came later in the,

13:02

it was probably a couple months later where he came

13:05

down finally. But this is where

13:07

the investigation, his interviews became

13:09

a little bit more, I'd say

13:12

suspicious. Just because

13:14

it was so long and the children

13:16

never mentioned this before, but during his

13:18

interviews, that's when the children

13:20

started saying that they all received a

13:23

telepathic message during

13:25

the 15 minute visit. So

13:28

they're adding to the story. Yes.

13:30

They're yes-anding. Yeah, I think they

13:32

are yes-anding to this John Mack's

13:34

questions. And they're all, to

13:38

their credit, they all did give the same message,

13:41

was that the aliens telepathically

13:44

told them that the environment

13:46

is very

13:48

precious and we need to take care of it. They're

13:52

looking at the youth, like it's too late to

13:54

save the adults. They're stuck in their ways. And

13:58

the kids are like, but you have a toy or something? I'm gonna tell

14:00

you that, shut up. It

14:03

gets 14 miles to the gallon, that's

14:05

plenty. I

14:07

am suspicious of this, I am dubious of this

14:09

kind of advice for aliens,

14:12

because I think it's kind of a, if

14:15

it truly is what happened, right, I

14:17

think it's kind of a

14:19

red flag, or a facade. It's

14:23

in line with the belief system if

14:25

you think that nuclear weapons attracted aliens

14:28

to Earth. If you look at nuclear

14:30

testing in the 40s, and

14:32

then all of the UFO sightings that kind of

14:34

took place around that time, and people draw that

14:36

connection, in that case, then it

14:38

doesn't, if you believe that, so I don't

14:40

think it's out of the

14:42

realm of possibility to think an alien would come with a

14:44

message of like, hey, maybe y'all should stop doing that. Like,

14:47

where's Bob Wayne? If

14:50

they're benevolent, I think

14:52

that's fair. I don't necessarily think

14:55

aliens typically are benevolent. I

14:57

think they are menacing. Maybe

15:00

they're trying to reverse psychology. And

15:03

then the kids are like, you know, the

15:05

problem is he went a little too young. He

15:07

needed to go to like 14 year olds, 15 year olds,

15:09

and then they threw everything back at him. What

15:12

about the environment? How's

15:15

your plan to do it, huh? Why

15:17

are you leaving? But

15:19

they would just not listen, they would destroy it. Just

15:21

to spite the aliens. So they have the

15:25

children, most of them, have

15:27

all pretty much stuck to the same story

15:31

ever since. Not many of them have

15:33

wevered. But now I want to look

15:35

at maybe some explanations for what

15:37

happened. So

15:42

the first explanation we have is

15:44

the theory of mass hysteria. We've

15:47

talked about this before in other episodes. Phoenix

15:50

lights, I believe, was one. Yeah, definitely.

15:52

There's a couple other ones. But the

15:54

theory is basically that one kid said,

15:56

hey, what's that? And

15:59

then they all really are saying this. thing like oh it's

16:01

an alien and they saw

16:06

the alien on the hill right so that's

16:08

the idea behind this massive stereo. So

16:10

they call kind of take this idea and run with it. The other

16:14

explanation is actually really similar it

16:17

just kind of pinpoints who it is and

16:20

quote this

16:22

theory is what if this

16:24

one guy made it up and that

16:26

was posited by vice. Was what? What if

16:28

this one guy made

16:31

it up? No what did you say after

16:33

that? It was posited by vice.

16:35

What do you mean positive? Put

16:37

out there. Posited by vice. Vice

16:40

the news source. Oh

16:43

okay I see okay vice

16:46

threw this out there. Yes okay the

16:48

news source vice said okay the one

16:50

guy. I was like I

16:52

swear I know English okay okay

16:55

I got you I mean so but that is it

16:57

one person made it up and the

17:00

other ones believed him or one person made it

17:02

up and they all agreed to buy into a

17:04

one person made it up or two

17:06

people in this case and

17:08

they all believed him

17:10

and they grew on it. So

17:13

it also is kind of that massive stereo.

17:15

So that's the main

17:17

explanation for this. Probably a little conformity to like

17:19

you don't want to be the one student that

17:22

is left out yeah like I don't want all

17:24

my classmates to have seen an alien and I

17:26

didn't so I guess you know maybe I guess

17:28

I saw something or like like

17:31

they all saying they saw this disc on the hill but

17:33

you're like that's definitely a Toyota Tundra?

17:35

Tundra. That was but they said it was like

17:37

20 feet away like it's not like it was

17:39

you know 300 yards right it was

17:42

close. If it was like far away and

17:45

they couldn't perfectly make it out 20 feet

17:48

mm-hmm but I got some quotes from

17:50

this article about what happened because what

17:52

really happened because this guy he came

17:54

out and he he said like I

17:56

made this up his name is Dallin

17:58

so the ones One student from

18:00

the class, Dallin, he stated, quote, no,

18:03

I didn't see UFO, I made up the

18:05

whole thing. So he's claimed that

18:07

he's the one that said, that's a

18:10

spaceship. And he said that he and his friend came

18:12

up with this idea and they never thought

18:14

it was going to work, but they wanted to

18:16

get out of class. Dallin said that

18:19

he began pointing to a rock and that

18:21

it was shining in the sun, and he

18:23

said, quote, there's a spaceship,

18:26

there's an alien. Now, within

18:28

a half an hour, all the kids were talking

18:31

about it, and all the kids were

18:33

running around and the whole school was

18:35

buzzing, which is what his goal

18:37

was, he wanted this. Now,

18:40

it's like one step above one of those assembly

18:42

meetings where you get out of class. Yeah, yeah,

18:44

that's the idea, is he wanted to get out

18:46

of class. I gotta be

18:48

very honest with you, just imagining kids,

18:52

yeah, hearing that story, yeah, it's

18:55

not bad, it's not bad. There

18:57

are a limited number of kids, like 62 is

19:00

not a lot for the whole school. So the

19:02

whole school was on break, it was like one

19:04

grade. It was the whole school out there. Yeah,

19:06

because they had no faculty meeting. Are there any

19:09

cameras in 94? There

19:12

were VHS cameras, no,

19:14

there weren't any cameras on property, but you know

19:16

what's funny though, you can see, there are interviews,

19:19

like people interviewing the children after this happened, which

19:22

is pretty interesting to hear that. On camera. Yeah,

19:25

like a news camera, yeah. It's

19:28

not as simple as Dallin made

19:31

it up because there are witnesses

19:33

who are convinced. Like

19:35

one witness said, quote, they

19:37

had huge eyes that you cannot

19:40

look towards. And once

19:42

we got that eye connection, everything

19:44

else around us just disappeared. That's

19:48

when I started feeling the message, the

19:50

idea that just came over me into

19:53

my being. It wasn't talking, it

19:55

was telepathic. It was just

19:58

a feeling, this overwhelming feeling of how

20:00

important the environment is. And

20:02

she continued, she said, quote, it didn't touch

20:05

me physically, but it felt

20:07

like with that stare, it touched every

20:09

ounce of my body. So both these

20:11

girls, Emma and Selma, they

20:13

both experienced this

20:16

connection with the aliens, this telepathic connection,

20:19

and they both felt it. They both felt the same

20:21

message. Selma said, quote, we need to

20:24

clean the air, beautiful plants, clean

20:26

soil to be able to live and thrive.

20:29

That's the message that they got from this alien. It

20:31

was Al Gore in the Toyota Country.

20:35

It was a megaphone. Hey

20:38

guys, please, I'm super

20:40

cereal. I

20:43

don't know why he was, he was starting his thing in Zimbabwe in

20:45

the 90s. Al Gore was,

20:47

you know, who knows? But John Mack, the Harvard

20:49

professor, the guy we talked about, he,

20:51

quote, unequivocally believed the children after

20:53

his trip to Africa, and

20:56

considered the aerial school setting one of

20:58

the most credible settings ever. Most

21:00

of the kids still believed, and

21:03

they were convinced of what they saw, even

21:05

though Dallin was pretty

21:07

convinced that he said, I made

21:09

it up. Well that could also be him not

21:13

wanting his name tied to this anymore. I

21:16

don't know what kind of ridicule these people might be facing,

21:18

if any. Who knows? I mean, I don't know how many

21:20

people know the names of the kids,

21:22

but maybe he just, I wanna distance

21:24

myself from this experience. I

21:27

don't wanna be known as the alien kid.

21:30

That could be it too. But two

21:32

more witnesses, two brothers. They said that

21:34

people over the years tried to discriminate

21:36

their experiences or convince them

21:38

that what they saw wasn't real. Tafu,

21:41

one of the brothers, said, quote, it

21:43

definitely was not a rock. I know

21:45

what a rock looks like. On the lower

21:47

half of it, there were lights. And

21:49

his brother, Tafu's brother, said, he saw

21:51

the being, and it terrified him. It

21:54

was short, had long arms, and

21:56

it was greenish with an overall-shaped

21:59

head. Now, again, Dallin

22:01

is convinced he is

22:03

an outlier amongst the 62, and he

22:05

says that his former schoolmates were duped,

22:08

or maybe they truly believed what they'd seen,

22:10

but I'm sorry to tell you that it

22:12

never happened. They're lying to themselves."

22:16

Yeah. So those are

22:19

some of the explanations for what

22:21

happens. Really it's mass hysteria mixed

22:23

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22:25

or some kind of trick. It's

22:28

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22:31

really is. So now we're going to

22:33

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22:35

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25:03

So these stories all come from Art Angle. Art

25:06

Angle? Art Angle. UK. Cool. Just

25:08

some UFO sightings out there in

25:10

Africa? Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're all

25:12

based in South Africa. Okay. In

25:15

the south vicinity. The

25:17

first story is from Cynthia

25:19

Hind. Oh, okay. Should be familiar. Good connection

25:21

there. Yeah. But this one takes a couple

25:23

of years later. In November 1996, she

25:26

said she went to Vidura,

25:29

90 kilometers from Pahara. She

25:32

went there to interview a 17-year-old

25:34

boy named Lloyd. And

25:36

he was a student at secondary

25:39

school, like high school. And

25:41

he was studying for his zero levels. I

25:43

have no idea what that means. But this

25:45

is what he told Cynthia. He said quote,

25:47

between 1 and 1.30 on March 6th, his

25:50

birthday, Tyler. 19 six.

25:53

Uh, four. He woke up and

25:56

because he knew it would be quiet at that

25:58

hour, he decided to do some. studying for his

26:00

exams, 1.30 in the morning.

26:02

I feel that. And

26:05

while he was engaged in his studies,

26:07

he heard a clicking sound, not

26:10

unlike a telephone dialing, except there was

26:12

no telephones in this area. It

26:15

continued for several minutes. So Lloyd

26:17

decided to check out what it could be.

26:20

He opened the front door and looked outside.

26:22

He could hear the sound coming from up

26:24

the road. When he glanced in

26:26

that direction, he witnessed something very strange. He

26:29

quickly went outside and hid

26:31

behind a hedge to get a better view. He was

26:34

able to observe a small figure about

26:37

one meter high with a head

26:39

like a rugby ball dressed all

26:41

in white overalls. On the

26:43

back of the creature, it had a small

26:45

satchel attached to it, which

26:48

was an aerial with a flashing red

26:50

light. Lloyd was terrified. He

26:53

said he escaped with fear and

26:55

ran back into the house and he jumped

26:58

into bed and covered himself with blankets. Now

27:00

he didn't really sleep, he slept fitfully for the rest

27:03

of the night because of this. At six

27:05

in the morning, the next morning, he

27:07

went back to look where the creature had been,

27:09

where he saw walking and found

27:11

several footprints, which he could

27:13

not identify, which he attributed to

27:16

the creature. When he arrived at school,

27:18

he told his friends about seeing

27:20

a ghost of the night, but one

27:22

of his friends suggested that it was a UFO

27:24

and Lloyd is now under the impression that the

27:26

creature had been called

27:29

a UFO. It's close,

27:31

he's close. Yeah, I didn't know

27:33

what he passed that test. There's

27:35

no way. He needed his

27:38

parents to write a note. Yeah. Sorry,

27:40

my son experienced something extraterrestrial. Can he

27:42

please take the test tomorrow? Wait, it's

27:44

all an alien. Can he have a

27:46

sick day please? Yeah. So

27:48

the next story. Now this person wrote

27:51

into Ariel and she wrote her story

27:53

out. She said quote, she wrote into

27:55

the school. No, she wrote into the

27:58

website, Ariel. Art

28:00

art yeah Ariel is the school my

28:02

bad. That's the area. Yeah, you say

28:04

art angle So this person

28:07

wrote into art angle and she told her

28:09

story about this extraterrestrial and she

28:11

said quote My name is Joanna

28:14

and I far near Feathers

28:16

drop 150 miles from Harhara.

28:18

I am 31 years old down February 5th

28:22

1996 I woke up from a bad dream

28:24

just after midnight When I heard

28:26

a car go past I got

28:28

up and looked out the bedroom window which

28:30

faces the front of the farm I Watched

28:33

as two cars pass each other a strange

28:36

sight as they're usually few vehicles to

28:38

be seen and None

28:40

at night one car pulled

28:43

into my gate and I immediately thought

28:45

oh No, these guys

28:47

are coming to pitch my new engine on

28:49

the on the on the borehole On

28:53

the borehole, I don't know

28:55

what borehole is I assumed some sort of

28:57

farming equipment No, I've never I didn't play

28:59

a farm bill I wrote my eyes

29:01

and face to make sure I wasn't so asleep and

29:04

I looked at the car again And it

29:06

was long and wide and made a low humming

29:08

sound I could see lights from the back

29:10

a few red lights and Front

29:13

light which shown high enough to illuminate the

29:15

tree stops the car or

29:17

object Stops in my gate for

29:19

a good 30 seconds and then

29:21

drove on as if the gate had been Opened

29:24

and that was it. It was gone I

29:27

took my torch my rifle and

29:29

my for farm working dogs

29:32

and we went out to the gate Despite the

29:34

fact it had just rained There

29:36

were no tire tracks or human tracks

29:39

on the road. We approached the gate I

29:41

could feel heat coming from the surface of the road

29:44

a really aggressive heat Rating from the

29:46

ground even my ears felt flush with

29:48

heat from the ground and I was

29:50

soaked with precipitation It was not 1230

29:52

in the morning by now and we

29:54

found nothing further and I went back home Was

29:57

it precipitation from rain or the summer? It

30:01

was only the following morning that occurred to me

30:03

that we had reached the gate. It was closed,

30:06

and I realized that the car had disappeared through a

30:08

closed gate because I had watched it

30:11

go through it, and the gate hadn't

30:13

moved. The next day after

30:15

that, I sent one of the farm workers

30:17

to fetch some sheep who were lost in the bush.

30:20

On his way back, he said he saw an object

30:22

straddling the road. By

30:25

the time he reached the spot, it was gone. But

30:28

strangely enough, the sheep would not walk over

30:30

the area where the object had been. Instead,

30:33

they diverted around it. My workers

30:35

were convinced that this was a ghost, and

30:37

because I'm a Christian myself, I believe it

30:39

was a phantom or a spiritual phenomenon of

30:41

some sort. Because I

30:43

don't believe in UFOs. Which

30:46

is actually pretty common for the area. That there

30:48

are... That they say that the

30:51

people in Africa in this area

30:54

see a lot of things in the sky, but

30:56

they don't attribute them to UFOs. They

30:58

attribute them to spiritual things. That's

31:01

fair. I mean, it's all culture-based. Exactly. We

31:03

just talked about it with the chin, right?

31:05

We see... We see experience something that

31:08

we consider just to be a haunting. But

31:10

because the culture, it dictates

31:13

what you think the answer is

31:15

to your paranormal problem. I

31:19

love that they saw an alien like you saw a UFO.

31:22

There's just something so innocent about that. It's like, I

31:24

saw a UFO. I love it.

31:26

I love it. I love it. This

31:28

is the last story. And he also

31:31

wrote into our angle. He

31:33

said, quote, my name is Kedro.

31:37

And the things that fly through the night that

31:39

you call UFOs, which in Africa we

31:41

call Abahame, Abvatoya,

31:45

or the fiery visitors. Now,

31:48

long before they were heard of in other parts

31:50

of the world, we, the people

31:52

of Africa, the contacts of

31:54

these things and the creatures inside them.

31:56

I can only speak with certain constraints because

31:59

we are... We are not allowed

32:01

to talk in detail about these sacred things,

32:04

or else the starships will stop visiting

32:06

us. There is a creature

32:08

called the Matende yah naginji, the

32:11

gray or white creature with a large head

32:13

in the face of chalk white with large

32:15

green eyes that go around the creature's head

32:17

so it can look at you over its

32:20

shoulder. This

32:22

creature sometimes captures human beings, cuts

32:25

them open, then closes them up again and

32:27

makes them forget what happened. This is

32:29

only discovered if the person is put into a trance

32:32

and then he remembers. I

32:35

was once abducted myself by the

32:37

creature. They paralyzed

32:39

me, then painfully examined

32:41

me by sticking instruments into

32:43

my nostrils. A female

32:45

creature seduced me, but it was very cold

32:47

and unpleasant, a feeling of being

32:50

violated. I then found myself back

32:52

in my bush and when I

32:54

approached my village, all the dogs tried to attack

32:56

me and I had to be rescued. I

32:59

then learned I had been missing for

33:01

three days and there are

33:03

many creatures who are watching us over

33:05

curiously and they are regulating our development

33:07

for some reason." So

33:11

he was like, hey, it

33:13

is absolutely frowned upon in

33:16

our culture to talk about this. Do

33:18

you want to know what happened? You

33:20

want to hear that tea? Could you imagine having

33:22

something like that being in your mind and nowhere

33:24

to put it? He had no

33:26

one to talk about too. That is why

33:28

you journal, man. That is why you bottle things up and you

33:31

blog. He did, but he told people about it. He sent it

33:33

out. There are all these cultures that have

33:35

these entities that they do not feel like they

33:37

can talk about. What do we have? They

33:40

do not feel like we can talk about it? We

33:42

are like, do not ask your co-workers what they make.

33:44

That is what we have. It is just to keep

33:46

us down. That is enforced by the

33:49

higher ups. The higher ups. Well,

33:51

I do not know. I

33:54

do not want to say it is discouraged to

33:56

talk about demons, but it is

33:59

almost. taboo to a

34:01

certain degree but I don't think it hits our like

34:03

it's not as strongly we're not as

34:05

intense about it yeah as you

34:08

know like Navajo with like you know skin walkers

34:10

and things like that is just I don't

34:13

know we were trying to we were trying to work it with slender man

34:16

you talk about him he gonna come but

34:19

yeah those are the end of my stories so now we're

34:21

going to move on that's German

34:23

isn't it DeGrosz man DeGrosz man yeah

34:25

we ain't got nothing all right people

34:27

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34:30

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not qualifies us? How

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do you fund being you? Ufologists, they

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can't just do book sales. You know what I

38:03

mean? Like I'm no if you know science like my

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sister she teaches too But I feel

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like when you're a scientist you need like and you

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work for school you get funding Yeah, right like you

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findings So they fund you to go to go do

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You need to go travel if you are a ufologist

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and you want to travel to Zimbabwe

38:22

to interview these children yeah about a UFO

38:24

sighting is that just all in your own

38:26

dime hoping that you can write about it

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Make profit on book sales Well,

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here's the thing. I think if

38:34

I knew how to do that. I

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would be doing it But you

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make the money, but it's not like it's I'm

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not saying it's a wealthy career No, but well

38:42

John Mac. He was primarily a Teacher

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at Harvard that was his

38:47

job him. I'm talking about Cynthia. Oh

38:50

she was from Africa She's

38:52

from there. She's from there. She is from there.

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Oh, yeah, I guess well You know it it's

38:56

probably easier now because you just be uber I've

38:59

probably you fall just are like actually uber

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drivers Yeah, that's the part-time uber driver part-time

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you and there's nothing wrong with that either

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But there you know they say if you

39:08

get in there their cab their their car

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And you even breathe the

39:12

word UFO you're in for an

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earful You are a whole

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trip It's probably rare that that the passenger is the

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it Racine a

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39:37

lose four days. I think you're right a

39:39

lot of people. There's also conferences People

39:42

attend conferences and they want to hear

39:44

from speakers. That's extensive shit. Yes, it's

39:46

like I've seen I

39:48

like on my bosses dime I've gone

39:51

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and they are not cheap So it's

39:55

like I don't I don't know

39:57

is I'm not saying it's impossible, and I'm not

39:59

saying Like I don't know is what I'm saying. Like

40:01

I don't know how you make it as a ufologist. I know

40:03

we always joked about like you need to write a book to

40:06

become a ufologist. At least one book, but I think you have

40:08

to keep writing. You have to keep writing. I

40:10

think to make it. Unless it's just purely

40:12

a hobby. I also think

40:14

that's a big part of it too. I think a lot

40:17

of these people who are primary jobs are like not

40:20

ufologists. They need to

40:22

become like a YouTuber or ufologist and like milk the

40:24

content. Well yeah. Like I mean if we could live

40:26

off the podcast, we could essentially become a ufologist. I

40:29

don't mean that in that we're qualified yet. I

40:32

mean that we could then dedicate the time to

40:34

learn how to become a ufologist. And

40:36

we could travel to interviews. Joining groups and stuff to

40:38

like move on or whatever. They

40:42

all pitch in the e-fud. Yeah,

40:45

but it's like three bars

40:47

of jerky. Anyway, so let's

40:49

talk about the Rua incident. Oh yeah.

40:52

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40:54

credible do you give it? Like do you think? How credible

40:56

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40:59

you think it's like very credible or not very? Like because

41:02

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of the mess hysteria had something to do with it?

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Or did most of them see something? Or is also

41:10

that you know being left out mentality.

41:12

Like the conformity aspect. Yeah, they're seeing

41:14

something. I don't want to be left

41:16

out. Yeah. Yeah. I

41:18

don't know. I think there's certainly a

41:20

possibility that it could have been fabricated and

41:22

just hyped up. And then you know

41:25

the mind is interesting. If you start believing in

41:28

something. Yeah. I mean

41:30

look at cults and things like that. If

41:33

somebody with any type of power or

41:37

not even power but conviction. Like

41:39

if you see someone and they're

41:41

likable and they truly believe in what

41:43

they believe in, it's

41:45

easy to follow them. That's

41:47

true. And you don't want to be

41:49

left out. And you know what could

41:51

have started as like, yeah this could get

41:53

us out of you know classes for the rest

41:56

of the day. Snowballs into

41:58

this big event right? And I

42:01

guess another question I wanna ask

42:03

you, right, is about the interviews,

42:05

Ash with John Mack, about

42:08

the messages that didn't really come to

42:10

light until months later. Yeah,

42:12

it's suspicious. It's very suspicious. Also, this

42:14

is the 90s, this isn't like the

42:17

40s or the 50s. So

42:19

if someone's like, what did the alien

42:21

look like? So they picked the most

42:24

stereotypical version that they probably had already

42:26

seen before. I

42:28

do, so what I

42:30

think, I think that they, something

42:32

did happen. I think something did land. I

42:34

don't know if it necessarily did look like that. They just kinda

42:37

said that because that's what they think aliens look like. I

42:39

don't think it had anything to do with the school. I

42:42

think it was something else entirely. Cause if

42:44

it was with the school, it would've paid

42:46

them more attention. You know

42:48

what I mean? Like it would've focused on them. Oh,

42:51

so you're saying it could've been a sighting,

42:53

but it wasn't like the aliens were focused

42:56

on the school. It's just they happened to land there. And

42:58

they were just passing, you know, it was just like sightseeing.

43:01

I don't know, that's, yeah. I mean like, not

43:03

sightseeing, they just happened to see them. It

43:06

wasn't intentional by the school. This is where

43:08

they landed. Yeah, no, this is like a million odds

43:10

to one. Like there's no way this could've happened. There's

43:13

no way this could've happened, but it did happen. And

43:16

I don't think it had anything to do with the

43:18

kids. I don't think they sent them a message. Well,

43:20

that's true too. But then, but if that's a lie

43:22

that they're starting to add onto, it just kind of

43:24

like retroactively.

43:27

It nullifies the whole thing, not nullifies, but

43:29

it makes you think maybe the whole thing

43:31

is bullshit. That's why I really don't like

43:34

the last part where they add on the message. It's

43:37

like you went too far. You should've stopped

43:39

while you were ahead. Exactly. But

43:41

that's what I think. I think something did happen

43:43

though. I think something landed. So

43:46

you go believable? Yeah,

43:49

I mean that's the definition of believability. If

43:51

you do believe in your heart, it happened.

43:53

I believe it. So I

43:56

don't believe Dallin. I think he doesn't wanna be associated

43:58

with this anymore. I think you're right, I think

44:01

he wants to be pulled away. Maybe he

44:03

doesn't believe what he saw when he was a

44:05

kid. It's just the

44:07

fact that all of them were so convinced

44:09

and they all had very similar stories, that's

44:11

what gets me. Yeah,

44:13

I think these are third graders. I don't, you know, like, well, I

44:15

mean, not all of them. How

44:18

many grades are there in this school? They didn't go into

44:21

that, I think it's between first and third, I think it's

44:23

kinda more like a, oh, God,

44:25

I can't remember the name of the type of school now where it's like, the

44:28

kids teach the other kids like the, I

44:30

can't remember the name of the school, but

44:32

it's not really, you'd separate by grades, I think. I

44:35

think I'm gonna go skeptical. Yeah? I

44:38

think that makes, I mean, that's totally fair. I understand

44:40

why you're gonna go skeptical. It's kids,

44:43

they jump too much with

44:45

the telepathic thing and

44:48

you got one of the students coming out and saying they

44:50

fabricated it. Yeah. I think it's like, I

44:53

think adults' memory is

44:55

already really hard to kind of believe

44:58

over time. You

45:01

know, it's very easy to reconstruct memories. You

45:03

hear that all the time with like car

45:05

accidents and witness reports and things like that.

45:08

So, like, for children who

45:11

are excitable and

45:13

have huge imaginations and want

45:16

to get out of school, for a

45:18

couple people to just start something and saying

45:20

it, it's so easy to buy in. I

45:24

would love to hear more interviews too.

45:26

Like, if there's 60 kids there, you know,

45:29

like, I wish there'd be 30, because if you got 28

45:31

of them that are like, you

45:33

know, like, if 20 of them said no, I saw

45:35

the lights underneath like that one kid, you know. It's

45:38

also, on the other side, if

45:40

it was a rock, you'd think they'd be able to go

45:42

back a day later and be like, find the same rock.

45:44

That's the same rock, yeah. Yeah. I'm

45:47

not saying it's unbelievable. I mean, it absolutely could have

45:49

been an alien

45:51

sighting. I definitely

45:53

go to the blue ball. They saw a UFO and

45:55

then out of the UFO came another UFO. Walking around.

45:59

Oh, boy. But let's move

46:01

on. Yeah, so we're

46:04

getting unbelievable and skeptical Thank

46:11

you for listening to this episode the Rua

46:13

incidents unique encounters with

46:15

alien kids Don't it doesn't

46:17

happen often with kids Or

46:19

if it does you don't hear about it. They say

46:22

kids are more in tune with things like ghosts It's

46:24

true. Does that does that also parallel over to aliens?

46:26

I Don't know For

46:29

some reason in this case. I don't think it's

46:31

true. Apparently. I've been thinking about that I don't

46:33

know if it is I think maybe not and

46:36

it's not like I'm not saying that they're not

46:38

intelligent and I'm not saying that they're not well

46:40

intentioned It's just like it's

46:42

just kids man. They're excitable. Yeah, they believe

46:44

in like things like Santa Claus. Yeah You

46:47

know how deeply I believe in Santa Claus

46:49

like you hear jingling and I just like

46:52

truly believe there's a chance He's outside on

46:54

my my well actually if kids

46:56

are list If you have if you're an adult and you're

46:58

riding in a car right now, Santa's real.

47:00

We're talking about him Like he's not real. Well,

47:03

we're gonna know he's real. We're gonna pretend for a second. Like

47:05

he's not real You know, like I thought

47:07

like yeah, of course, he goes to

47:09

every child in the world and right now he's on my

47:11

roof Yeah, you know, so why wouldn't it be hard to

47:14

buy into the idea that? Yeah,

47:16

one kid said there's an alien where where over there?

47:18

Oh, where's that? Mm-hmm And you have to look in

47:20

that look at that experience like with the same they

47:22

all have the same kind of conviction But

47:26

also gullibility as well. Mm-hmm and

47:29

nobody like especially a third fourth grader You don't

47:31

want to be the one that didn't see the

47:33

alien right you be missing out or or you

47:35

know What I'm wrong and they saw aliens

47:37

and that's dope. Yeah Monastery school that's

47:39

what I was thinking about monastery. Mm-hmm, which is

47:42

it's a type of school You know you applied

47:44

for one didn't you I did apply for one.

47:46

Yeah, but they're like, you're not a kid Like

47:49

what do you mean? Yeah, this

47:52

is definitely a unique I don't

47:54

know about the most credible experience ever but

47:56

it's unique. I just want to say

47:58

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exactly what Charlie just said. That's true. Telefrant,

48:21

word of mouth, conversationally.

48:24

Podcasts are still hip. I mean, five years they might

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be gone. Who knows? Yeah, who knows? We might be,

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I don't know. Like a dinosaur. We actually have jobs,

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so we would be at those jobs. But,

48:34

you know, it's like sometimes some of the

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while you're walking or driving, if you listen to podcasts,

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check out this one. They don't take

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ghosts. I'm gonna stop by. Yeah. Yeah.

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49:33

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