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Chapter 17: Going in Circles

Released Friday, 17th February 2023
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Chapter 17: Going in Circles

Chapter 17: Going in Circles

Chapter 17: Going in Circles

Chapter 17: Going in Circles

Friday, 17th February 2023
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discretion advised, y

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wake up? What

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what? What is it? What hear?

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What

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the hell is that? What is it?

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Is it? A bear? A bear

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in the swamp? I think

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that's in the cooler. I

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told you we should have brought it inside with us. We

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barely have enough room as it is. Can

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you just what scare

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it off? Oh

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my god, Okay, okay,

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fine, fine, yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's

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just it's just, oh

0:59

my god, what is it?

1:02

That is not a berry? The

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surviving camper does not appear to be

1:54

seriously injured aside from a large

1:57

hand friend shaped group. The camper

1:59

claimed they were attacked by quote a huge,

2:01

hairy bigfoot. An official from the Department

2:04

of Parks and Recreations then this

2:06

is the first very related death in

2:08

the area since and

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would caution visitors to always keep

2:13

an eye out for wildlife and camping, and

2:15

to not leave smoked out they can't attract

2:18

animals. As for any big food dangerous,

2:20

well, it would see the first time when someone made

2:23

that claim. You're in tok box. Yes,

2:35

Peyton Blake, you must be vipping

2:38

Corona. Thank

2:40

you for meeting me. Yeah. Well, Jeremy

2:43

assured me he wasn't just sending the B team

2:45

to chat because he couldn't be bothered. So

2:47

I assume you know what you're talking about.

2:51

Wow, Okay, that is hostile

2:54

way to introduce yourself to someone.

2:56

Excuse me for being blunt, but there

2:58

aren't a lot of people that I trust

3:01

with discussing these matters openly, but

3:03

you trust Jeremy here. Your first

3:06

meeting was a bit of a I

3:08

understand Jeremy's stake in

3:10

all of this. He's connected to

3:12

the other side, whether he likes it or

3:14

not. You I

3:16

don't know or the nature of

3:18

your interest in this. I'm

3:21

getting my PhD in mythology and I've

3:23

just discovered that magic and monsters are

3:25

real? Is that a

3:27

good enough reason? So? Academic

3:29

curiosity is why you wanted to talk to me. The

3:31

truth is why I wanted to talk to

3:33

you. Why did you

3:36

want to talk to Jeremy to get him to

3:38

accept the truth that Thomas

3:40

needs to go back into the what

3:42

did you call it? The liminal? That

3:45

Jeremy is in possession of

3:47

a gift that was never meant to

3:49

be given. Okay,

3:57

I know we're still not totally sold on her, but it

3:59

really seems like we'd be dead if it wasn't for

4:01

Peyton. Really, I thought you were perfectly capable

4:04

of fighting big monsters. Look, look,

4:06

I'm sorry about the other day. Okay, I shouldn't

4:08

have been so hard on you.

4:10

No, I get it. You've been a cop your whole

4:12

life, and you probably

4:14

see what I do is frivolous. It clearly

4:17

isn't. Your knowledge about this stuff might

4:19

save our lives. It might save my life. Yeah, well

4:21

it didn't serve me any good against that Howler. Well

4:24

god, I mean, there have been sightings a bigfoot for

4:26

years around here, but there never been

4:28

a death. It's just these scattered bits

4:30

of evidence over time, what kind of

4:33

evidence, like I don't know, you know, large bipedal

4:35

footprints, which obviously plenty

4:37

of hoaxers who created in the past in order

4:39

to drum out press or attention and just for the sheer

4:41

joy of pranking people. But now, but now,

4:44

all of it feels like an indicator of something much

4:46

much more dangerous than any popular

4:49

conception of a sad squatch. I don't understand

4:51

how it could have come back so quickly from the other

4:53

side. I don't either. Maybe Peyton didn't banish it properly

4:56

or funk, I don't know. Maybe the fay Realm is able to send

4:58

it right out again. It's I could Those

5:01

ruined carvings are the only protection we have right

5:03

now. So if they barely

5:05

give us any time to breathe, and there's also

5:08

no reason to think that there's only one of these monsters.

5:10

Is that supposed to be comforting? If if,

5:12

if, if we can't spend all of our time

5:14

waiting for the worst thing to happen. The

5:17

worst has happened. Jeremy,

5:20

someone is dead. Listen.

5:23

I'm just saying, we have to look

5:25

at what's right in front of us, Okay, we have to gather

5:27

as much information as we can right

5:29

now. Vippen is talking to Peyton, Anna

5:31

and Olivia are Is Vippen talking

5:34

to Peyton? What?

5:36

What do you mean that she's trying to get more specifics

5:38

from her on what the gathering might know. I

5:40

think she told us everything that she knows. He shouldn't

5:42

have bothered with her. Well, she actually reached

5:44

out to me. She wanted to talk to me for some reason.

5:46

What why, I don't know. I don't know. So

5:49

I told her that she could say whatever it was to Vippen

5:51

and he wanted to meet her anywhere. Are you okay?

5:53

What's going on? I'm fine? Are you sure?

5:55

You seem it's just look, I

5:57

don't want us running around in circles, that's all. I

6:01

just feel like we're going in circles. I

6:03

actually think the problem is we haven't found any

6:05

circles. Oh, you think you're funny to look.

6:08

It was a long shot anyways, but it shouldn't

6:10

have been right. Like, we know for a fact that

6:12

Alden got lost somewhere around here, and

6:15

there's no way he could have wandered all the way to Freetown.

6:17

And Thomas said that Alden remembers walking

6:19

into a forest. So it's

6:21

not like we combed through every bush. Rehoba

6:24

State Forest is like half a square mile.

6:26

Okay. We searched the whole thing, like

6:28

I know, it was eighty years ago, but I was hoping

6:30

for something, a circle of mushrooms,

6:33

a weird path of flowers, out of place

6:35

tree, doorway to another world. What

6:38

if it wasn't even about the mushroom circle.

6:41

Mushrooms grow in weird formations all

6:43

the time, and just because it's stuck out in Alden's

6:45

mind doesn't mean that's the way he got

6:47

taken in What if it was something

6:50

even more innocuous, then

6:52

we might have walked right past the evidence and not even

6:54

known it exactly. I

6:57

just I want to know where

6:59

the tracks are, because then I

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won't fall in Honny. I

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don't think it's a straightforward as that live. You

7:06

know, you have to be willing, or you're supposed

7:08

to be willing, and you know well enough

7:10

not to go following strange voices in the

7:12

woods. Yeah, except that's

7:15

all we're actually doing. I was

7:17

starting to think maybe there was some kind of Ragi

7:19

Hoskins family curse. But maybe

7:22

it's just the way we are, like something

7:24

in our blood that makes us want to walk

7:27

right into places we shouldn't. I don't think

7:29

that's just a Bradshaw Hoskins straight Plenty

7:31

of folks would say the exact same thing about me.

7:34

Yeah, so we've got a doubly bad

7:36

first Thomas and Jeremy, then Ethan.

7:38

I mean, who's next. Jeremy

7:41

didn't get taken, but you don't think

7:43

he's just wandered off to you.

7:46

No, the messed up

7:48

thing is part

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of me wants to see it, see what the

7:53

other side. Oh live,

7:57

Let mean, come on, are you curious

8:00

us? It's like Narnia, Evil

8:02

Narnia. I mean Narnia

8:05

was kind of evil Narnia during the whole Eternal

8:07

Winter bit Live Live.

8:10

I'm not saying I'm gonna go doing

8:12

a weird sacrificial ritual to

8:14

try and walk through the wardrobe

8:16

or anything. I'm just saying that impulse

8:19

is there. Maybe

8:21

that's why our family has been so easy to

8:24

lure, because there's something in

8:26

us that already wants to go. But

8:30

people don't even get to the other side.

8:32

They get stuck in between. And I think

8:34

we both know that that's not an enviable

8:36

fate. Now, people don't get to the other side

8:38

as far as we know. But it's

8:41

not like you can send it text back and say

8:43

hey, I'm in fairy Lamb. They got great food

8:45

here, never coming back, so we would

8:47

never know text. It

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was a joke. No, no, I know, but it

8:51

made me think there's

8:54

a question we haven't been asking. All

9:02

right, fine, you've

9:04

got questions, ask them.

9:08

How does the Gathering know about the Fayrell,

9:10

about the Deal, about any of it. It's the whole

9:12

reason the Gathering exists. What

9:16

the Gathering is just the most current

9:18

iteration of a community that's been an operation

9:21

in one form or another for centuries,

9:24

stewards of the gate between worlds.

9:27

You're telling me there's an exclusive club

9:29

that's been around for hundreds of years

9:31

that controls mystical forces. You

9:34

know how that sounds, right? I do.

9:37

And it's not like that. There's no controlling

9:40

this thing. There's just knowledge.

9:43

Oh and human sacrifice to some

9:45

kind of other worldly force that

9:47

has to be appeased for the last

9:50

time. It is not human sacrifice.

9:53

Oh, so the Gathering is the one

9:55

group in the entire world who knows about

9:57

magic, and it's entirely up to them

9:59

to keep the tenuous veil from ripping

10:01

open and unleashing some kind of fairy

10:04

chaos. Do you want me to tell

10:06

you what I know? Or do you just wanted to

10:08

ride my work and get out whatever frustration

10:11

that's pent up? Okay,

10:14

you have to understand that this is all

10:16

a bit well, I

10:18

mean, you weren't born knowing the

10:20

stuff, right, At some point you have to

10:22

be told. That's true, but

10:25

I was told so young that it feels like I

10:27

basically was born with this knowledge. My

10:31

father was the Virginia chapter leader before

10:33

me. I've been going to gathering

10:35

meetings my whole life. Saw a snally

10:38

gaster for the first time when I was twelve, learned

10:40

about the deal. When I was sixteen, you

10:44

saw a snally caster,

10:47

a real snally Custer, like

10:50

the reptile bird thing with the tentacles

10:52

and all, Yeah,

10:55

what did you? I mean, how how did

10:57

you kill it? My dad did? The

11:00

veil there gets really weak at random

11:02

times and places. It's even more fickle

11:04

than here, or at least it

11:06

had been. So it wasn't

11:09

like there was something wrong with the liminal. No,

11:11

our rituals have moved like clockwork

11:14

for at least the last century. But that's

11:16

not the only way stuff slips through. Too

11:18

much occult or pagan activity, everything

11:21

from wickens doing their normal practice

11:23

and not realizing it's having side effects,

11:25

to a group of people on a ghost tour that are buying

11:27

into the stories a little too much. It

11:30

can all leave the door. Ajar, Wait,

11:34

so are you saying that the

11:37

gate is opened by belief

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and closed by belief as

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well. Why do you think there were so

11:44

many reports of the supernatural in the past.

11:47

It was more accepted, more

11:49

people actually believed, so more stuff

11:51

bled through. Chicken and egg,

11:54

round and round. What

11:58

It's just, it's ridiculous,

12:01

like clap if you believe

12:04

in fairies and they'll stay alive,

12:07

that's true. I mean,

12:10

Peter Pan got everything else wrong. But all

12:12

stories have a grain of truth in them,

12:14

right, even if it's a really

12:17

tiny grain of truth. I

12:20

I wanted to believe before,

12:24

before I knew any of it was real. I really

12:27

wanted to believe, to

12:29

experience something that defied

12:31

explanation, and then to be

12:33

the one to find the explanation. You

12:37

didn't break the gates wide open. Don't

12:40

worry. One person can't do

12:42

all that much except close

12:44

the gate by giving themselves over to the liminal.

12:48

Yeah, except that, I

12:51

don't get it if the gathering knows

12:54

all of this wide and Celeste just tell

12:56

us, and how did she get the ritual

12:58

wrong? Secrets are order

13:00

to keep the more people you tell only

13:03

gathering leadership is told the truth by

13:05

the outgoing leaders, and chapters don't

13:07

communicate as much with each other as we should.

13:10

But Celeste was a leader. Something

13:15

something went wrong here, Yeah,

13:18

no kidding. From what I understand,

13:21

things sort of fractured

13:23

here in the seventies. Yeah, there

13:26

was an offshoot, the Children of Titchiba.

13:29

They were more on the side of propping

13:31

the door open for good. That

13:34

happens, that happens

13:37

bad leaders have been chosen. Sometimes

13:40

someone finds out about the other world and

13:43

kind of loses it, And

13:45

that's what you think the Children of Tichibo

13:47

was. I think after the

13:50

children, everything

13:52

here broke down. No

13:54

one knew how things were supposed to go.

13:56

So when it came time to keep the fay

13:58

Realm happy,

14:01

no one knew how. Okay,

14:03

But how does that work? If

14:05

all it takes is one person to not

14:08

pass down the information for everything to go

14:10

hey wire, then how are we not constantly

14:12

on the verge of collapse? Who

14:14

says we aren't think

14:16

about it? There are still

14:18

sightings and encounters all over the

14:20

world all the time. People

14:23

see Bigfoot, they think they've been

14:25

abducted by aliens. Boats

14:27

disappear at sea, kids go missing.

14:30

Most of the time those things are the

14:32

result of human behavior or cruelty,

14:35

but sometimes

14:39

sometimes it's the other side.

14:41

Bleeding through. And

14:43

how many of these gates are in the world? Does

14:46

every state have them? Every country?

14:48

I have no idea. I

14:50

know I seem like I'm an expert,

14:53

but I'm not. I'm an expert

14:56

in my area, and I'm tapped in just

14:58

enough to know that something was really wrong

15:00

up here. But there is so

15:02

much of the picture that I don't see right.

15:05

But what about your dad. I'm assuming

15:07

he's retired now, but he must have learned a lot when

15:09

he was a leader. He's not retired,

15:13

he's gone. Oh,

15:17

I'm so sorry.

15:20

We knew it was coming. He

15:22

was sick. No, he

15:25

left. That's how it works

15:27

in Virginia. Becoming

15:30

leader of the gathering means eventually

15:34

stepping into the liminal. What

15:38

so he was the volunteer. Yeah,

15:43

it's cleaner that way. The secret

15:45

gets kept and no one ends up in

15:47

a place they don't want to. The

15:49

leader gets to prepare their successor before

15:51

they go, and they know they'll eventually

15:53

be replaced in the liminal. Replaced

15:57

What does that mean? It's a temporary

15:59

center and they move on, move

16:03

on where that I

16:05

definitely don't know. Maybe

16:08

just death,

16:12

whatever that is. My

16:15

dad always thought it meant going over

16:18

to the other side completely, living

16:21

in the Kingdom.

16:23

I think he liked the idea of being in a magical

16:25

world, monsters and all.

16:29

I'm kind of hoping for disappearing entirely.

16:32

I don't know that I'm on board for eternal

16:35

life in some other place.

16:39

You

16:42

you're the replacement. So

16:44

the story goes, what,

16:47

why in the world

16:50

would you agree to that. I get

16:52

to live a full life before then, have

16:54

a family if I want, mentor someone

16:57

protect the world, and

17:00

I'm going to die anyway, so this is just adding

17:04

a pit stop. Thomas

17:06

said it didn't feel like forty years.

17:09

It felt shorter. It's unclear.

17:11

I think he couldn't tell. I think

17:13

sometimes it felt endless with that because

17:15

he didn't age. It also felt like no time

17:17

at all. But I'm sure

17:20

it's different for every person. Well,

17:23

he's the only one who's ever come out after

17:25

going in, so he's probably

17:28

the best source of intel I'm going to get. Look,

17:32

I know you want him to go back. I

17:34

don't want anything except for the deal

17:36

to be honored and the gate to be shut.

17:39

Someone else wants to go in, they are

17:41

more than welcome to. But what

17:44

kind of life could he have now, Really,

17:49

he's been declared dead for decades. He

17:51

can't undeclare himself without becoming

17:54

some sort of government pincushion.

17:56

And people steal identities,

17:59

you know, sure, But then what he

18:01

watches his son most likely die

18:04

before him. He loses his wife

18:06

before he's even fifty. They

18:08

never actually got married, and

18:11

and Thomas, I mean, that's

18:14

not my point. And they seem

18:16

pretty till death do us part regardless,

18:19

and one of their deaths is going

18:21

to come a lot sooner than the others.

18:25

But he barely got to live the first

18:27

time. He has a daughter and

18:29

a grandson. He has never met a

18:32

son who's grown up without him,

18:35

and that will never not be

18:37

a tragedy. But he can't

18:40

get it back. Even if

18:42

he had the whole happy family unit

18:44

in place, he

18:47

would never get that time

18:49

back. So

19:11

I was thinking maybe tonight you and I could go out, grab

19:14

a beer, get a burger somewhere. Uh.

19:18

I have thought that you would want to go back to Anne and and

19:21

and share what we found. And I think we can take

19:23

one night off without the world ending. Well

19:25

that's a very different tune from what you were singing earlier.

19:28

Look, I just I

19:30

don't know how much time I have that. Please, please

19:33

don't talk like that. No matter what happens,

19:35

I want to make sure to spend time with my son.

19:38

Maybe we can even make it a new tradition. Pick a

19:40

place, go there every week, just the two of us. That

19:43

does sound good, That sounds great.

19:46

It'll take a while for me to catch up on all that I've

19:48

missed. I want to hear about California and

19:50

Oxford and and she's everything.

19:52

Really, Uh

19:56

god, I don't know where to start. I mean, honestly, there's not a

19:58

lot to tell. I'm afraid I spent most of my time in California

20:01

and Oxford in class. Well,

20:03

I want to hear all about it. Maybe

20:05

I could even come out to one of your lectures. Yeah,

20:08

that might have to wait. My students

20:10

this semester are are well

20:12

aware enough of who you are that I'm

20:15

not sure that they'd be fooled with your updated

20:17

haircut. Fine, Nick, semester. Then, and

20:19

in the meantime, you can tell me what you do outside

20:21

of teaching, you

20:24

mean, like now present

20:26

day? Yeah, we still have about a

20:28

half a mile. Uh

20:31

Yeah. I go to conferences sometimes

20:34

I meet with other academics swap

20:36

research. Um, I don't know.

20:39

There's usually some kind of faculty gathering once

20:41

a semester um,

20:44

but you know, school and uh, I've

20:46

been working on the book. So

20:48

these things to keep me pretty busy. How about friends?

20:52

Uh? Not a girlfriend? Huh?

20:55

Oh

20:58

yeah, I've

21:00

never been much of a I

21:02

don't know. I guess I'm not a super social

21:04

person. And

21:07

and dating it just always have felt like it's

21:09

too I don't know, it's more trouble

21:11

in his worth. Dating

21:14

must have changed. You

21:17

never wanted to get married have

21:19

a family. I just never.

21:23

I haven't met anyone that I had interest in

21:25

sharing my whole life with. And I don't think I

21:27

would honestly make a very good father.

21:31

Uh what about you? What I mean, God,

21:34

you must be dying for human

21:37

interaction after having spent forty

21:39

years with a kid. I've

21:42

always loved kids before.

21:45

You were my favorite person to spend time with.

21:48

M I was a baby,

21:50

I was, I was a toddler. I mean it's not

21:53

not not famously good

21:55

demo for conversations. You

21:58

were wonderful, curious, You're

22:00

funny, always loving, You

22:03

were so open, so giving kids

22:06

off an arm. But it was like

22:08

nothing scared you, kind

22:10

of like nothing could hurt you. I

22:13

have this like memory

22:17

of of just a feeling

22:19

so safe when I was with you,

22:23

And now, um,

22:27

I'm not sure what you mean. Did I

22:31

then what happened? Um?

22:35

You're not that open and trusting boy anymore.

22:38

I mean, from what you

22:40

just said, you've

22:43

kept yourself guarded alone.

22:48

It feels like that's

22:50

because I left. Well

22:54

first of all, that you didn't leave. But it's

22:56

still my fault. Isn't it that you

22:58

don't have a full life, that you're unhappy? WHOA

23:00

who said I'm not happy. My

23:02

life is plentiful. Just because it doesn't

23:04

look the same as yours or what you may be expected

23:07

for me doesn't mean that I'm not fulfilled. So

23:10

you are fulfilled.

23:14

You're not lonely or wanting. Yeah,

23:16

I mean, of course there are

23:18

things that I want or or ways

23:20

that things could be better. But you

23:23

didn't condemn me to some life

23:25

of misery because you don't because you

23:28

because you went missing. Plenty

23:30

of people grow up without two parents and they turn

23:32

out just fine. I know I was one

23:34

of them, but that's not It

23:37

wasn't just about me going away.

23:40

It was the way it happened. I

23:42

don't know what you want me to say here, Dan, growing

23:45

up with people telling me that my dad was killed

23:48

by occult wasn't traumatizing.

23:51

I can't say that. And

23:53

it did shape the person who I am

23:56

today. But there is no way

23:58

for me to know what I would

24:00

have become if you had stayed

24:02

around. I mean, god, if

24:05

if I had been raised by you, and and

24:07

which is what would have happened? Right?

24:10

Your mother and I we were figuring out shared

24:12

custody, but yes,

24:14

I mean the plan was for you to live

24:16

with us. Look,

24:20

none of this matters right now, not

24:23

really. Because I grew up

24:25

the way I grew up. I am the person I am now,

24:27

and there's nothing that any of us can

24:29

do to change that unless we I don't know if I

24:31

figure out how to use magic to time travel or

24:33

something. But until that time,

24:36

we are stuck with what we have. And

24:39

that's just fine, okay, I

24:41

just I don't

24:43

want your life to be fine, Jeremy.

24:47

Then stay, don't

24:50

listen to Peyton, don't don't try

24:52

to do something selfless. Just

24:55

stay, stay and help me figure

24:57

this out. I already promised you I

24:59

would, But I also promised Alden.

25:01

I would get him out right. Then we'll figure

25:03

that out too, Okay,

25:06

come on, we gotta

25:08

keep going. And

25:11

for the record, I'm not I'm not lonely.

25:14

Okay, Olivia said that

25:16

Vippen is probably your closest friend.

25:18

The funk. Why are you and Olivia talking about

25:21

my social life. I'm curious

25:23

about you, Jeremy. I don't want you to be isolated.

25:26

I'm not. Vippen is a good friend to me.

25:28

Yeah, we worked together, but I also like to think

25:30

that we get along too. I had. I

25:32

had a great catch up just now with Sophie

25:35

where you talked about the fay realm, that

25:37

BLUs. There's this legend trip that I just met.

25:39

She's becoming a friend, actually, honestly,

25:42

the fastest friend I've made in years. We've got

25:44

similar interests and she's I don't

25:46

know, she's easy to talk to. She seems

25:48

to understand me, which for whatever

25:51

reason, it's a little bit rare. And anyway,

25:54

the point is, I'm just I really don't

25:57

feel lonely, all

25:59

right, all right, I

26:01

just never pictured you as a I

26:03

don't know, an eternal bachelor

26:06

living with just his books for company. Oh

26:08

my god, that's a bit harsh. Don't you think I'm

26:10

not trying to criticize, really,

26:13

no, I'm just I'm trying to understand when

26:15

look, when I was your age, Dad, You've

26:18

never been my age, literally,

26:20

never been my age. You're right, I

26:22

just want you to be happy. Okay,

26:24

that's all. That's the only thing any parent

26:26

wants. Then can you please just accept that my happiest

26:29

life might look different from yours. No

26:31

spouse, no kids, no job that

26:33

means carrying around a badge and a gun.

26:36

I like my life,

26:40

and I I will be

26:42

happy when we figure

26:44

out how to protect you.

26:46

Okay, Okay,

26:58

I don't know why I wasn't the first thing we asked

27:00

him about. There's a lot going

27:02

on, man. I think you can be forgiven for

27:04

not taking him down the list of unanswered questions.

27:07

But now we know, we know it really was

27:09

him on the answering machine. He found

27:11

a way to communicate somehow. So if

27:14

if we figured that out, we could

27:16

figure out a lot about the liminal exactly

27:21

a trapped here, I've

27:24

been trapped. Things

27:27

are thinning out, it's opening again. I

27:30

think he was trying to warn us. And when

27:32

he first came out, he said he was hearing so less

27:34

voice, So maybe there's a way to communicate to

27:37

the liminal, not just from it. Has he mentioned

27:39

anything about that, No, he hasn't, but like

27:41

you said, there's been a lot to focus on. So

27:44

sure. But if he knows something about how

27:46

all this works and isn't telling us, well,

27:49

I just we should ask him. I

27:51

guess. No, Thomas

27:53

wouldn't knowingly keep anything from us that would

27:56

be useful, right, Yeah,

27:58

no, I know. Okay, So when

28:01

he when he and Jeremy get back from that

28:03

camp site, we can play him the message,

28:05

ask him what he did to try to get it out and what he

28:08

meant by it, and then maybe we can get word

28:10

into Alden and coordinate with him to try to

28:12

break the deal somehow. He's

28:14

seven, well he's been seven for eighty years.

28:17

I'm a feeling he's more competent than your typical first

28:19

grader. That's a good point. Okay,

28:22

So if we are able to communicate

28:24

with the in between, then and then maybe what

28:28

the hell? Okay, okay,

28:31

just stay calm live. Is this what happened

28:33

before? Yeah? Yeah, and

28:36

you're sure it's not an earthquake? Do

28:40

you hear that music?

28:44

Yeah? You hear it right, it's

28:46

a I think it's coming from

28:48

the other side. It has to be. Do

28:50

you mean the liminal No, the

28:53

other side?

29:03

All right here we are, all right? Yeah,

29:05

something definitely came through here. Look how much brushes trampled.

29:09

Some of that could have been the campers. They got out of here in

29:11

a hurry. But we should look for any footprints

29:14

or fur or hair, anything that would give us an indication

29:17

of what attacked them,

29:19

if it was the same thing that almost attacked us, Not

29:22

of human footprints the regular kind. Yeah.

29:25

Well, I'm no forensics expert,

29:27

but those look like two distinct shoe

29:29

treads, and those would be the

29:32

campers. Thank God for bloody ground.

29:35

Wait over here, look

29:38

at these deep punctures in the ground tent

29:41

steaks. No, no, no, look those

29:43

are here. I recognize the formation from

29:46

them when I used to go camping with these five in a row,

29:48

like like whatever attacked that cow? Yeah?

29:50

Did the howler have five claws? Did? Did

29:52

you get a good look at it? I wasn't actually

29:55

paying attention to the fine details.

29:57

And why would there be just claw prints? There's

29:59

no footprints? Well, the thing

30:02

we saw standing was on two legs so

30:04

maybe it was on its toes basically, you

30:06

know, pushing its claws into the mud for leverage. Right

30:08

right, Wait here, there's

30:10

two more prints with five claws here too, Like

30:14

it's front paws or something. Those are

30:16

much smaller than the hands we saw. God,

30:18

it might not even be the same animal. Hell, these prints could just

30:20

be from a regular old bear or something. Every

30:22

time we get to one of these crime scenes, I just feel

30:24

like I'm further away from all of it. You're

30:29

right, yeah, yeah, yeah, just the stiff

30:31

bones. My joints have been sold all day,

30:34

shaking off the dust. I guess, dad,

30:38

what if? Wait? Maybe it's

30:40

a shape shifter. There's plenty

30:42

of those in folklore, right, yeah,

30:44

all kinds. There's um

30:50

did you hear that muck?

30:58

Must be more campers? M maybe

31:09

there there, it's coming from over

31:11

here. No,

31:21

no, it's it sounds like a woman. Yeah, there's

31:23

something about it. I

31:32

can almost make around. Hello

31:36

someone there? Wait

31:46

you contrasted son?

31:49

Are you okay? Oh my god? Oh

31:54

my god, that's not possible. What's not possible?

31:59

Hm? That voice? That

32:02

voice? I know that voice?

32:07

What who is it? Celast?

32:15

You can chast? This

32:29

episode of Bridgewater was written by Lauren

32:31

Shippen and directed by Brendan Patrick

32:33

Hughes Assistant director Sarah

32:36

Klein. Sound designed by Vincent the

32:38

Johnny rema Il Kayali, Josh

32:40

Thane, and Trevor Young, with music

32:43

by Chad Lawson. Starring Misha

32:45

Collins as Jeremy Bradshaw, Melissa

32:48

Ponzio as Anne Becker, Alan

32:50

Tutick as Thomas Bradshaw, Karen

32:53

Sony as Vipen Corana, Sabra

32:56

May as Olivia Hoskins, Cheryl

32:58

Umania as Officer Bautista,

33:01

Will Wheaton as Captain Haddock, Tricia

33:04

Helfer as the Legend Tripper,

33:07

Stephen Guarino as Dr Edwards

33:10

Nandamisu Demba as Peyton

33:12

Blake, Hilary Burton Morgan as

33:14

Shelley Hoskins, Nicki McCauley

33:16

as Celeste Then, Victoria Grace

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as Katie Frank's with additional

33:22

voice acting by Greta Gould, Shelby

33:24

Young, Adam oh Burn, Monty

33:26

Markham, Charlie Bergman and Tern

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Westbrook. Executive producers

33:31

Aaron Manky, Misha Collins, Lauren

33:33

Shippen, Matt Frederick and Alexander

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Williams Supervising producers Josh

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Thane and Trevor Young. Bridgewater

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