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His balls I I'm Jesse

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Thorn our next guest this

1:08

week. The Great Isabella Rossellini.

1:11

She's being interviewed by Parker

1:13

How Corresponded and Isabella Rossellini

1:15

superfan Louis for Tell Isabella

1:17

Rossellini was born into European

1:19

film royalty to the daughter

1:21

of Director Roberto Rossellini and

1:23

actor Ingrid Bergman. She's.

1:25

Probably best known as an actor, she's had

1:28

claimed parts and movies like Blue Velvet and

1:30

Death Becomes Her and Big Night. Her.

1:32

Appearance on Thirty Rock as Jack

1:34

Doggies x. Is the stuff

1:36

of legends and means today. Damage

1:39

on and you know I love my big beef and. But

1:42

I mean, that's all kind of unfair. Rossellini.

1:45

Isn't just a terrific actor, She's a

1:47

model, a performance artist, and accomplish singer

1:50

in even and academic. Five.

1:52

Years ago, Isabella earned a master's degree in

1:54

animal behavior from Hunter College in New York

1:56

City. And when I say that I don't

1:59

mean an honor. Eerie degree I mean

2:01

a real turn in papers and

2:03

get them graded. Master's Degree. Most.

2:06

Recently, she's landed her talents to voice

2:08

acting. When. We talk to her and

2:10

twenty twenty two. She just start alongside Jenny Slate

2:12

in the movie Marcel the Shower with shoes on.

2:15

It's. A good one. Sleep. Plays the

2:17

film's title character. A tiny talking seashell

2:20

with red shoes and a single googly

2:22

eyed. Marcel. Is the subject

2:24

of a documentary. Isabella Rossellini

2:26

plays Marcel Nana Con. Con.

2:29

He lives in the backyard of the house

2:31

in which Marcel Less. She's.

2:33

A little forgetful and as you're about to

2:35

hear, not quite clear on the concept of

2:37

what a documentary s. Like

2:40

movie. But more like. A

2:47

photo by the yeah now I just

2:49

I'm making a little video portion of

2:52

that more savvy or something that I

2:54

feel I have a chance. Father of

2:56

the truth about Mr. I'm not. Going

3:01

on with your garner. Isabella.

3:06

Rossellini. It's a thrill the talk to

3:08

you and it's especially a throw the

3:10

tuck you in the context of this

3:13

movie because Marcel the sell as a

3:15

hard concept to wrap your head around

3:17

if you're not familiar with the youtube

3:19

videos right? I when I was offered

3:21

the role I went to see the

3:23

You Tube and short films about it

3:26

and I found a charming but most.

3:28

Of all I I really liked to

3:30

story of. How to some came

3:32

about it. Jan. Was

3:34

at a wedding and she felt a

3:36

little bit intimidated and started to play

3:38

with this funny voice and dean then

3:41

create ads marcel and they made a

3:43

short video that was putting you tube

3:45

that went viral and so they made

3:47

more videos and then as they were

3:49

offered a book deal and now they're

3:51

making a feature film and I thought

3:53

that the such a. Modern.

3:55

Story About Artists Com

3:58

to. Bring. Their

4:00

narrative com to make films that

4:02

so was interested to meet a

4:04

new generation that starts in you

4:07

tube and ends up in the

4:09

movie theater and and as summer

4:11

so was charming as. It

4:13

was in an interesting process.

4:15

We improvised it a lot.

4:18

Of dialogue and so generally as an

4:20

actor, you're given times and you memorize

4:22

them and and you have to make

4:24

them come out of your mouth in

4:27

a spontaneous way. Here we're we're going.

4:29

We're giving a outline, For.

4:31

Example: we just heard the clip were.

4:33

Ah, I am Michelle. So and I'm

4:36

old. I don't know what a documentary

4:38

is. I don't know the difference between

4:40

a documentary in a feature film and

4:42

they're trying to explain it to me.

4:44

And so we improvised bye week. That

4:47

clip that was maybe thirty second long. We

4:49

might have. Improvised.

4:51

For two hours about it and

4:54

then Dean selected the words and

4:56

put it together and then created

4:58

the animation so he was a

5:00

complete different process and irregular sim.

5:04

Yes, and it's and usual how much

5:06

improvisation is going into this you know,

5:08

an animated. Movie. What's

5:11

what's your favorite thing that came out

5:13

as the improvisation on this movie. And.

5:17

Well. As a kid, I like to experiment.

5:19

I like to do things that are new

5:21

and unusual. And for sure that

5:23

was a never worked as an actress

5:25

like this you know at it again

5:27

you originally given a script that you

5:30

have to memorize. word perfect and if

5:32

you change of words that writer is

5:34

not happy and here instead they was.

5:37

The. Writing came after you said

5:39

many. Many many many things. It.

5:41

And. Then he was put together

5:43

by Dean aren't and he took

5:46

him two years to go through

5:48

these hours and hours as of

5:50

improvisation us as it was unusual

5:53

but the responsibility oh so. think

5:55

that when you improvise. Date:

5:58

There is a lot of spent a new each know you could. The

6:00

not memorizing anything. And.

6:02

He didn't stop any may soon

6:05

and animation. And drawings. It. May.

6:07

Be The voice has to be incredibly. Authentic.

6:10

Of the expression of the voice

6:12

has to be incredible authentic to

6:14

bring that character to a real

6:16

life. So the voice I think

6:19

is very important although we remember.

6:21

The. Character of Marcel and the

6:23

Grandmother has a drawing. But.

6:25

I think the voice is what gives them doom.

6:29

Did. The truthfulness that you

6:31

believe that their characters. The.

6:34

Process for making this will be took seven

6:36

years and you did the voiceover work for

6:38

this years ago. Now actually years ago. For

6:40

years ago, that. Yes, I thought that they were

6:42

killing. You know, because he started in you tube?

6:44

And new a very young so I

6:46

said well maybe. You. Know maybe

6:49

was a dream and then the and never

6:51

come to be. That's because sometimes you do

6:53

work with a lot of young people and

6:55

and they're trying to make a film but

6:57

if they you know this is so difficult

7:00

to make assume that never. It

7:02

never comes to be. yes he took seven

7:04

years is incredible. Is.

7:07

There anything that made it into the film that you

7:09

completely forgot about. I mean, if I recorded something three

7:11

years ago or four years ago, I can't say I

7:13

would have a sharp memory of what the movie even

7:15

was. After a while. Know

7:18

I I i with the same i forgot.

7:20

I. Forgot what were the improvisation? I

7:23

remember that we did some improvisation at

7:25

my farm and even a farm. and

7:27

they wanted to do some improvisation at

7:29

the farm and don't. Am.

7:31

At. It. Didn't make it into the film but at a

7:34

certain. Point. A. Crow.

7:37

Started to the rats. And

7:40

because they saw a hawk. And.

7:42

They were chasing the hawk

7:44

away or that is what

7:46

was happening in reality but

7:48

that sounds allowed me and

7:50

and journey to improvise out.

7:52

The crows, Let's hide because a girl might

7:54

use the cell and so is. That

7:57

also I think Dean occasionally. Wanted

7:59

to. Something completely new.

8:01

That he would surprise him south not

8:04

only the outline and now Marcel is

8:06

to grandmother is trying to convince him

8:08

to do the interview for television. you

8:11

know that was the outline and we

8:13

talked to and then we improvised about.

8:16

Me: Tried to convince ourselves to be

8:18

adventurous to try new things it but

8:20

I think also deemed some time needed

8:22

because seven years as a long time

8:25

so I think also dean needed to.

8:28

Be surprised. And so he did. With.

8:31

You then improvisation and all of a

8:33

sudden the crow allowed. Him

8:36

to. Have a scene. Where the

8:38

two of us is so we're bognor

8:40

A both to the environment crows, mice,

8:42

dogs, The dog made it. And

8:46

what you're saying is you recorded some of

8:48

this in Silverlake in Los Angeles and also

8:50

at your place on the East Coast and

8:52

wow, That gave Dean plenty of surprises. Did

8:54

it add up an extra layer of spontaneity

8:57

for you to. Yes

8:59

because. You. Don't

9:01

you improvised is for. Improvised.

9:04

Not foot one or two. I will

9:06

was improvised for a whole day with

9:08

you know, we were in Silverlake. The

9:11

head as he got house of friend and

9:13

we stayed there who would take breaks from

9:15

lunch but Dean wanted to. Record.

9:18

Everything. Even lunch because may be

9:20

at lunch. Who would say something?

9:22

A sentence? I'm not hungry and

9:24

want to eat. I've eaten enough

9:26

that he might you soak he.

9:28

He constantly recorded everything. I don't know

9:30

how he had the patience. To listen

9:32

to all these words and net

9:34

and edit and wouldn't have at

9:36

that pace. It. It's

9:39

also satisfying to see you do comedy

9:41

a gun which has been sprinkled. Somewhat.

9:44

Liberally throughout your career, but it's probably

9:46

not what you're primarily known for his.

9:48

it's satisfying, particularly to be funny, Yes

9:52

I'll although I you know yes it

9:54

is a in a when I do

9:56

my own since they're always comical so

9:58

I do like and. Like and

10:00

Earth. Is there

10:02

a particular film you've made? bird you

10:05

felt the funniest or tv show appearance.

10:08

Ah, thirty Rock was pretty

10:10

funny going to marry him.

10:12

Oh how. Are

10:15

you go to mass? Ah,

10:17

I don't know we've talked about

10:19

it. In San

10:21

Francisco he said he series

10:24

as gonna get you pregnant

10:26

right away. I'm sure foods

10:28

as isn't a team's life

10:31

B B C can parade

10:33

around it. Makes

10:36

me want to vomit. Oh no, You

10:38

know I can take the models. Such

10:42

era because ultimately I know they

10:45

are going to leave him by

10:47

do. You can

10:49

actually. Make it. Doesn't

10:53

mix. and twenty six hundred and.

10:57

Thirty. Rock in particular taught me something I

10:59

didn't know about you because that and I

11:01

want to say was during the first or

11:03

second season so it's not even like the

11:05

reputation of that. So what have been. Widely

11:08

known yeah and it goes at such

11:10

her you know? Whip

11:12

smart speed. was it fun to

11:14

jump into that particular. Comic.

11:17

Dynamic and was a difficult

11:19

sometimes. I find it difficult to play. A

11:22

a small role because on the

11:24

sets people become specially on television

11:26

series and less so long Five

11:28

months, six months they become like

11:30

a family. And then you come

11:33

in and. Everybody. Knows each

11:35

other, they are not size and

11:37

you know and I am sigh

11:39

and make mistakes I get embarrassed

11:41

and we're not frenzy yet to

11:44

in our friends yet so I

11:46

find some time still playing as

11:48

small role is harder than playing

11:50

a longer roma. Just. Because

11:52

you're shy and also. The

11:55

Reason moved on the set and the

11:57

resists style and reserve rhythm. The.

12:00

And. You don't know that, sir. And so

12:02

when you arrive. You. Have to.

12:04

Really. Quickly. Adapt to it

12:07

and tried to guess a how they

12:09

work and had daft but it's easier

12:11

if you if. The it's easier to

12:13

play. A that he's a little bit

12:15

more substantial than a very. You know

12:17

that apart a you go for a day or

12:19

two on a set. So

12:22

much more still the get into with Isabella

12:24

Rossellini. When we come back from a quick

12:26

break, she and Louis will talk about why

12:28

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Insurance. Welcome

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Back doubles my I'm Jesse Thorn. Our

14:08

guest is Isabella Rossellini. She's of

14:10

course, a beloved actor and performer. You seen

14:12

her in dramas like Big Night and Blue

14:14

Velvet in comedies like Death Becomes Her and

14:17

Marcel the Shell with Shoes On. You.

14:19

Can see or in the brand new Italian thriller. Luck.

14:22

Camera South now. Interviewing.

14:24

Her is our friend and correspondent Louis

14:26

where tell let's get back into their

14:28

conversation. Clearly. Most of

14:30

the stuff you've done is experimental in some

14:33

way, which leads me to believe that you

14:35

must be largely board, but the things you

14:37

are offered that there's not You know that

14:39

experimental adds to everything you get. Wet

14:42

No, I'm not bored to a but.

14:44

I I I think there are two main reason

14:46

to at me Me. Be an

14:49

experimental film festival. I come from. Experimental

14:51

sell My father was considered an

14:53

an experimental filmmakers name is for

14:55

best of us Illini and he

14:58

worked right after the war really

15:00

changing cel making something that looks

15:02

like a documentary. but he wasn't

15:04

a documentary, it was. Reenacted

15:07

things that he had seen in

15:09

his life with after a non

15:11

actor and he styled his new

15:14

style of film that he made

15:16

was called near reimbursement. My father

15:18

was extremely experimental thing so. I'm

15:21

not intimidated into jump in and

15:23

do something experimental. And then

15:25

decided I was a foreigner and I

15:27

had an accent. I always felt a

15:29

little. Had to march in.

15:31

I always thought what I can be

15:33

on a regular big Hollywood film because.

15:36

Most. Of the time. They're not

15:38

them many foreign actors at the

15:40

Anglo Saxon speaking but you don't

15:42

hear many of foreigners. We have

15:44

an accent and so I thought.

15:47

When. Something was offered. It was a little odd.

15:49

I thought, well let me do it because I'm not

15:51

gonna get any of the big Sims and. An

15:54

impact at a decent and speak send

15:56

to my son a big surprise. I

16:00

did. I continue to do both. Your.

16:02

Mother for people who don't now and

16:05

need to be told immediately. With.

16:08

Ingrid Bergman starve casa Blanca. For.

16:10

Whom The Bell Tolls Notorious

16:12

among other unbelievable classics. How

16:15

likely are you just at any given time

16:17

to watch the movies? Have either of your

16:19

parents. When know days

16:21

is much simpler. Ah, you know, line

16:24

on their own in that case here

16:26

and collection which I absolutely adore and

16:28

I'm hooked to it. I watched to

16:30

create teary and collected every day. And.

16:34

It's moving to me that I could

16:36

see my parents film whenever I once

16:38

or you know, my mom work with

16:41

Hitchcock with the Fleming with Birdmen and

16:43

if I want to see more of

16:45

that director I could easily access to

16:47

day when. I was at its gonna lie,

16:50

had to wait for every prospective. In a movie

16:52

theater to do it as that ended on

16:54

to retrospective every year. So sometime you wait

16:56

ten years to finally see you know the

16:59

sim that my father did. During

17:01

the war because I was born after the

17:03

war and they were very same as spam

17:05

and people talked about it but I had

17:08

to wait until they were presented in. there

17:10

are movie theater in a museum for me

17:12

to see it. As he was

17:14

twelve years old when I saw Casablanca.

17:16

My mom still because he didn't you

17:19

know if it came out when I

17:21

was not born and then finally when

17:23

I was twelve years old. a neatly

17:25

they give it a retrospective up my

17:28

mom so Ice every night said it

17:30

was a retrospective every Wednesday. Night I

17:32

remember they showed up ten cents on

17:34

my mom and every. Wednesday for ten!

17:36

Wednesday's I so my mom's Hollywood films

17:38

so I'm very grateful that today you

17:41

can access all these whenever you

17:43

want. When. I think of

17:45

Ingrid Bergman, some Agassi. She doesn't have too

17:47

many, you know, I guess. broad comedies that

17:49

stand up at one movie. I was in

17:51

particular that see. At first

17:53

the role seems like it's going to be smaller

17:56

or less thankless on the other comic roles, but

17:58

then it really blossoms as Cactus Flower. And

18:00

I was wondering if you had any particular. Good.

18:03

Memories of watching that movie cause her

18:05

personality and that's just as a florist

18:07

as he so such a joy to

18:10

watch. C was so happy to play

18:12

a comedy because they often made up

18:14

say. The. Romantic lead to

18:16

ah you know she was. She

18:18

was very beautiful but. Out

18:21

she was consider a beauty. And

18:23

accessible duty the them that the girl

18:25

next door so she always played at.

18:28

As. Is a bit the girl next door. the good

18:30

girl. And. She was happy when

18:32

she had to play a nasty character

18:34

like and Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde

18:36

and then as you grow older and

18:39

mama was very sympathy. Cast was very

18:41

funny. As. You could

18:43

finally. Also. Do comedy as he

18:45

did in cactus Lab where she's very funny

18:47

and cactus flower. I'm sorry that she didn't

18:49

do more comedy and I think she was

18:51

sorry to see. Would have wished she wished

18:53

to have done more. You.

18:55

Really remind me of your mom. specifically. An interview

18:57

was when I watch interviews with her as she

18:59

has that same kind of witty saw an. Affair.

19:02

And yet on a silver screen I really

19:04

can't think of many roles you've done that

19:07

either She would have taken or would have

19:09

even been in the realm of possibility for

19:11

someone like Ingrid Bergman do ever. He

19:13

can do think I can. You think of any

19:15

roles you've taken that reminds you of your mother.

19:19

Know but I I also

19:21

haven't. Done films, In

19:23

contrast to my mother, you know, I think

19:25

that was it. A new generation

19:27

of. Filmmakers. Like my mom. I

19:30

liked the directors at have a

19:32

very strong hand that are very

19:34

author like it and so once

19:37

you work with his directors of

19:39

some are they really had their

19:42

signature. Whether it's Hitchcock or David

19:44

Lynch or Martin Scorsese or Bergman

19:46

they they become very strong signature

19:49

of the directors it so Parsley.

19:52

If. I had done a Hitchcock. Film. maybe

19:54

you would have said ah, you

19:56

know there is a similarity but

19:58

it's the director and. Faber

20:00

these kind of sound said. I

20:03

think we read both mama and. I regard

20:05

them said as an arson. And.

20:07

So. Originality and new

20:09

points of view because fascinating rather

20:11

than something that you knew, you

20:13

know it's gonna be commercially successful

20:15

because he has the good guy

20:17

the bad guys. A little romantic

20:19

gets once you do something with

20:21

as every all the ingredients to

20:23

make it successful. It's.

20:25

Less interesting to us, But

20:28

it's also probably you're a European tradition.

20:32

I can't stop thinking about how long ago it

20:34

was that you recorded the stuff for Marcel The

20:36

Cell and I was wondering just in general. Has

20:39

or been in particular a movie worked

20:41

on where. You. Worked on

20:43

it and then it took however long it

20:45

took for it to come out and you

20:47

were surprised by the final product. like it

20:49

away from work. Merce as a cell has

20:52

his ass ssssss I'd for certain point I

20:54

thought it was go to come out. Because.

20:58

You've made so many movies where there's a

21:00

specific. See article feel and

21:02

I feel like on the set you wouldn't have

21:04

been able to predict what that was or it

21:06

must have been described you but you couldn't get

21:08

out tangibly seat you know. For instance, I don't

21:11

think blue Belt the blue Velvet could have been

21:13

described to me and the abstract while making up

21:15

with. This is the of this is a problem. Is

21:17

that one has? you know? So it's

21:19

you. work every day, you more or

21:21

less starting to understand the style, but

21:24

the script is never the final product

21:26

of. A script

21:28

of for example Blue Velvet yes,

21:30

the story was there, but of

21:33

power of the Images of David

21:35

Lynch was also a painter out.

21:38

Is. So powerful and the film

21:40

is old. The sequence of

21:42

imagery. On it's also do

21:44

narration but I need duration is not

21:47

so important for David. I'm in fact

21:49

sometimes you can't really followed to story

21:51

and yet you are afraid and yet

21:53

you are you. You see romantic so

21:55

he's interested in the mood and the

21:57

mystery of what causes that mood. So.

22:00

If you read the script and

22:03

try to seek narration and tried

22:05

to seek your last. But if

22:08

you work with David then you

22:10

understand something that sometimes cannot be

22:12

express in words. studies seeking for

22:15

mood atmosphere more the narrative but

22:17

he takes a few days sir

22:19

to be with the director or

22:22

other actors to understand their style.

22:24

Their the Sandra. And

22:26

then to adapt it. But this

22:28

is also the great pleasure of

22:30

being an actor is that you

22:33

really takes trip into people's mind

22:35

and use their minds are great.

22:37

Laker out Tina Fey or David

22:39

Lane saw Bob Wilson I'm it's

22:41

a fantastic journey but as you're

22:43

taking it you're also has intense

22:45

and you're a bit shy and

22:47

you have to but I am.

22:50

Open. To experimentation and I think that's

22:52

why I always end up with his Sir.

22:55

Experimental. Film. Whether Isthmus as a

22:57

Cell or die Mad into Scientists music

22:59

in the World or even David Lynch

23:01

who when did when he did Blue

23:04

Velvet, he was considered very avant garde.

23:06

It is wasn't a classic out as

23:08

it is today. Since

23:11

you. Seem

23:13

to be so. Are

23:15

you from? It's for to to keep. I didn't

23:18

do anything except see you. Would

23:21

you see? Me:

23:25

Coming. Into

23:34

city. It's

23:39

interests was. So

23:42

it's let me. See

23:45

you get. The

23:49

vigor of this movie. How. Did

23:51

he? Create. The atmosphere

23:53

that would produce a movie like Blue

23:55

Velvet. Already produced

23:58

by creating enormous friends. People

24:00

trust. Because. We were talking

24:02

about term. Great

24:04

Priests Allies Rape crime. I'm

24:07

a woman. That. I

24:09

played at a battered woman

24:11

but he did in incredible

24:14

an extreme situation and then

24:16

a when I. Meet

24:18

the character played by

24:21

Kyle Maclachlan at Jeffrey

24:23

Beaumont. I am. At.

24:26

Is a younger than I? I

24:28

become. The.

24:31

Character plays by Dennis Hopper.

24:33

I'd become the executor of

24:35

the crime on on Coyote.

24:38

And. And. Because

24:40

I exercise power, because I'm

24:42

powerless. Sit in front of

24:45

for. Dennis. Hopper but with

24:47

the opportunity to have a

24:49

younger boy, I can exercise

24:51

that muscle. So she's crazy.

24:53

I mean she's is very

24:55

convoluted psychological character and if

24:57

there wasn't. A. Total trust

24:59

stuff. And as seal of

25:02

friendship. And protection he would have

25:04

been very hard to play the

25:06

part. With. Do

25:08

very good friends with Laura. Tired

25:10

David and I will call each

25:13

other family. Know

25:15

Laura is also a stone throw in that

25:17

movie and it's one of the first things

25:19

that starring role She really have a real

25:21

I. I hope people revisit it also in

25:24

the future just specifically for Laura Dern in

25:26

addition to all the other great performances. But

25:28

I want to say about Blue Velvet is

25:30

one of the few movies I've seen where

25:32

I actually find some of it too scary

25:34

like Dennis Hopper is too frightening for me

25:36

to to reward and I'm a sucker. Obviously

25:38

you're an intimidating presence yourself in certain ways,

25:41

but. Have. You ever ban. Or

25:43

just intimidated by the kind of power

25:46

than an actor brings onset. The.

25:48

Us in said i can't watch because I'm too

25:50

scared to put this up. Blue

25:53

Velvet Baby because I've done it. And

25:55

eight when I watched it. When.

25:57

I watched blue velvet iris. It

26:00

recently because he was an anniversary and or know

26:02

who has thirty years of forty years and he

26:04

was shown at the Museum of Modern Art in

26:06

New York. so I went. To see it and

26:08

presented and I sat down and looked at

26:11

the So mad and seen it in twenty

26:13

years and I thought wow is still seals

26:15

modern, he still feels and garden and that

26:17

surprised me but he also feels you. I

26:19

don't really watch many of the same said

26:21

I've done because he always get a little

26:23

nostalgic. You know you see that scene is

26:26

how I remember that day we did this

26:28

and and we we all went to dinner.

26:30

Or this happened. And so

26:32

he brings up a lot of memories.

26:35

And. Nice memories, but soon. It'll

26:37

is a little bit sad and i to look. Forward

26:39

you said of backwards. It's

26:42

interesting that you say you're specifically sword

26:44

looking, not anti nostalgia, but not seeking

26:46

out the Stelzer. And yes, you also

26:48

say you watch the Criterion Collection. Everybody

26:51

what's my Some I watch as others

26:53

smell her. I what am

26:55

I love to see of. I.

26:58

Decided to julian collection what I'd.

27:00

Love is that it is. Really

27:03

treats sounds. Like an Arts I can't

27:05

say that about Netflix and Amazon. I'm

27:07

grateful that all these as a platform

27:09

you can see a lot of sense

27:12

but they are not curated. it's a

27:14

been with everything and unless you know

27:16

what you're looking for and how to

27:18

put an order they certainly no give

27:20

you any indication. And Amazon as to

27:22

stupidest thing in the world as something

27:25

called tree Via the you press a

27:27

little button and he tells you the

27:29

mistaken continuity. Dead in rages me that

27:31

you can look at a. Of

27:34

John Ford or Hits Caucus and

27:36

the only thing that came the

27:38

in and they pay somebody to

27:40

look at the stupidity and and

27:42

you missed a big picture these

27:44

are the new Michelangelo's decide to

27:46

new Raffaello, decide to new Picasso.

27:49

Cinema has to be recognized as

27:51

an art and would just. Say.

27:53

Go look for these. This little thing

27:55

that is a mistake. Who cares? You'd

27:58

never find that in Criterion. Prettier. Treat

28:00

cinema with enormous respect and also

28:02

he teaches you to watch stems

28:04

because you want you to select

28:07

a director and use find interviews

28:09

with the director with critic with

28:11

actors and. And. His theory was

28:13

you rated so gives you an enormous. Satisfaction

28:16

and fc more films because I

28:18

might watch i don't know as

28:20

the Illini some I'm a corridor

28:22

but then. Because they get me so

28:24

much information, I might see also another

28:26

similar fellini that might have not been

28:28

very successful that he give me the

28:30

key to understand. What was the searched

28:32

at the lady was making and maybe it

28:35

is not terribly successful in this case, But.

28:38

It's. Still interesting, so I I'm

28:40

a big, huge fan of Criterion

28:42

collection, and I hope that Amazon

28:45

and Netflix will learn from them

28:47

to do. Seminar. Puree

28:50

soon of of their connections.

28:52

Has. There been any other satisfying

28:55

deep dives of Directors even tried

28:57

recently. I've done it to

28:59

a sided with cove. It so now and

29:01

I've continued. So now is a couple of

29:03

years that I it's and I have some

29:05

group and I watch more film that assumed

29:08

at the beginning we watched you know for

29:10

for hims a week and then we would

29:12

do zoom and com and to of the

29:14

now everybody's back to work so we do

29:16

one film a week at some time we

29:19

take a break because everybody's got too busy.

29:21

Ah and now we have a break in

29:23

July because everybody's traveling on the holidays. A

29:25

word cook So we resume in August it

29:27

but. I generally. Watch. More

29:30

films because I wake up very

29:32

early in the morning. And what's

29:34

crazier than channel? So. Ah,

29:36

And then. I mean I

29:38

do people suggesting but I think I'm the

29:41

one that suggests most. And I'm a

29:43

daughter of Ingrid Bergman, a Rebecca or Salinas or

29:45

I know a little bit more than the others

29:47

about cinema. Has

29:50

to be noted that you live on a

29:52

farm with some delightful animals that I've seen

29:54

on your Instagram Time and again, What does

29:56

living on a farm provide an actor? You

29:58

get something specific. Spiritually or otherwise

30:01

from living where you live know I.

30:03

Also have also a scientist a minute

30:05

father just as added animal behavior. And

30:07

conservation. So I want to be

30:09

with animals. And in fact, when

30:11

I write as an author or

30:14

a director or my work whether

30:16

he said green for know now

30:18

as a new monologue that's coming

30:20

out calling her Darwin smile it's

30:22

always about animals. are. So.

30:25

As an actress directors can use me

30:27

for whatever D C and me up

30:29

the correspond to their character but when

30:31

I rights and I direct my own

30:33

sakes is always about animal. So living

30:35

in a farm for me as my

30:37

lab where I'm close to them and

30:39

I could see it. So. I

30:41

enjoy enjoy running a farm.

30:45

What was the beginning of this particular interest?

30:47

Like locusts, the moment you don't have a

30:49

light bulb went off and you thought. I'd.

30:51

Need to get into this and that in a

30:54

serious academic way. But I

30:56

always liked animal since I was a little girl

30:58

and then my father when I was fourteen years.

31:00

Old gave me a book and schools

31:02

come from King Solomon's Ring with Conrad

31:05

Lawrence Conrad Lawrence it was the founder

31:07

of this new science of animal behavior.

31:09

Assaulted je ne one and noble prize

31:12

for it and father read the book

31:14

and in you that I loved animals

31:16

and he gave it to me. And.

31:19

As yes, that was the little babs

31:21

that went on and I said i

31:23

want to study this but when I

31:25

was twenty. In my twenties

31:27

and or right moment to go to

31:29

college and it. Wasn't really in

31:31

Italy. He. Wasn't yes formalized?

31:34

it was Waldo G. that was biology.

31:36

But I was interested in behavior as

31:38

I was intimidated to a lot of

31:40

chemistry and all that. And then anyway.

31:43

I became a model. And. I

31:45

loved at to and became an actress but

31:47

then as I grew older and so there

31:49

was less work as a model in as

31:51

an actress. And

31:53

Ethology now is presented.

31:55

In schools I went back to had time

31:57

and my children were grown up. They were

31:59

moved out the house so I went. Back

32:01

so am I am. I am

32:03

a scientist recently. I. Graduated. I

32:06

got my master's degree three four years

32:08

ago. When

32:10

I think of like the kindred spirits and my

32:12

own life they happen to be people who have

32:15

literally like the same job like are also entertainment

32:17

obsessed comedy writers now. I'm. Wondering

32:19

who are the people you have

32:21

found to be kindred spirits Because

32:23

absolutely nobody has had the career

32:25

track you've had and the bleeps

32:27

between universes you've had and the

32:29

inability as you had. So I

32:31

was wondering. who are the people

32:33

I guess Specifically, in So business

32:35

you found yourself really relating to

32:38

While very friendly with David Legs

32:40

and and Laura Dern, there he

32:42

was it. We love each other.

32:44

My best friend is a teacher

32:46

at Columbia University on Human Rights

32:48

in. International laws as I as

32:50

a friend do is sit Camilla.

32:52

Was a film editor on.

32:56

And that a very good. friend of mine.

32:59

Is a nurse who is

33:01

now had a between sixty

33:03

and he's taking a Phd

33:05

in alternative medicine, meditation and

33:07

all that. That else is

33:09

fascinating and very experimental on

33:11

so these are my friends.

33:15

I. Think people be surprised to learn that

33:18

your first movie was in fact with

33:20

your mother and in fact you are

33:22

costarring with Lies a Monopoly Who's Gangs

33:24

directed by her father Vince. I'm an

33:26

alley but was that experience like as

33:28

a you know up for as a

33:30

first big screen acting performance? It was

33:32

pretty difficult. You know this is very

33:35

erm so I didn't think I was

33:37

going to be an actress beds her

33:39

of mama. Often. Made

33:41

films, Away and so we didn't

33:43

see a for two or three months.

33:45

And finally she made a film in

33:47

Rome, Italy where we lived in and

33:49

she was delighted to play and Tarzan

33:52

character the contest sec has. At the

33:54

end she spoke. Italian beautifully. My.

33:56

Mom because we were Italian. my

33:58

dad is Italian and. We had

34:00

my my home for three months. Ended

34:03

so. My sister I have a

34:05

twin sister Ingrid went every day on the

34:07

set in a manner play the character. Of

34:09

a kind of a crazy lady that

34:11

would put a lot of makeup and

34:13

never take it off so our eyes

34:16

are on the floor mascara so my

34:18

sister health that with that make up

34:20

because you didn't need a good make

34:22

a parties you needed a bad makeup

34:24

artist and my sister injured could be

34:26

with my mom all day long and

34:28

she was very happy and mamet. oh

34:30

she dies in the some and. People.

34:33

Tell. Me and

34:35

my mom that we resemble each other, mm,

34:37

a thought he would be interested at was

34:39

she die as they did none, the goes

34:41

to her. That. she sees

34:43

or face or says younger arm.

34:46

Is so she asked me to play

34:48

a role and incipient as he likes

34:50

to idea dies accepted it but it

34:52

was so intimidated to play with everybody

34:54

and I didn't speak English very well

34:56

and with them was in English I

34:58

very few lines but I still remember

35:00

it as some. Very nightmarish

35:03

and of course the producer

35:05

head photographers to. Because.

35:07

It wasn't is a bit of

35:09

a story that could appear in

35:11

gossipy newspaper or Isabella Rossellini. The

35:14

daughter resembles a mom distress so

35:16

I remember and today being very

35:18

paralyzing leave intimidating, but I'm glad

35:20

I've done it. What?

35:23

Was it like to witness lies a

35:25

monopoly and her father on outside without

35:27

any parallels between your relationship with your

35:29

father was like looking into a totally

35:32

different universe. It was looking into a

35:34

different universe. Vincent in L A is

35:36

completely different and my father also he

35:38

was quite old and to see. The.

35:41

Love of Lysa to her Dad

35:43

and to devotion to her dad.

35:45

and I could understand that because

35:48

I almost so devoted to daughter

35:50

to my father. So in

35:52

in that I saw the tenderness. I see. The.

35:54

Father was older and had not

35:57

worked for many years and lies

35:59

out. To make a film

36:01

with a Dad and she had

36:03

just gotten the Oscar for this

36:06

extraordinary some cabaret I did. About

36:08

farsi retrospect it was a senior

36:10

mice in my early morning and

36:12

to on. And Seuss In

36:14

that moment, she had the power. To.

36:17

Make her dream come true which was to

36:19

work with a Dad because she had worked

36:21

with a mom a long time many times.

36:24

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Or cast is Isabella Rossellini. She's

37:48

the stars classics like Blue Velvet and

37:50

Death Becomes Her and the movie

37:52

Marcel the Show was shoes on. She's

37:54

being interviewed by writer Louis for

37:56

Tell. Another strange

37:59

moment. Filmography that have always been

38:01

curious about Curious about is White Knights

38:03

are you don't get too many movies

38:06

with someone like from Mikhail Baryshnikov and

38:08

Geraldine Page and Gregory Hines. Yeah, and

38:10

Helen Mirren. And right, Helen Mirren. Right

38:12

at the sort of the onset of

38:14

her becoming the Grand Dom, we know

38:16

what was that experience? Like it's that

38:19

was really great. I am. He was

38:21

one of the first him that I've

38:23

done. I've actually done it before. Blue

38:25

Velvet. I've been a

38:27

model in a very successful model, but I. Wasn't

38:29

thinking to become an actress. Because

38:32

my mom was Ingrid Bergman and I

38:34

thought you know I have always be

38:36

compared to her own. Never be. Good.

38:39

Enough and maybe it's better if I

38:41

just stay a model. And and then

38:43

I was interesting and animal. Oh his

38:46

stream to eventually made since about animals

38:48

and I was following that path. But.

38:51

My mom herself said you know you should

38:53

try to make them She was dead by

38:55

the time he did White Knights but she

38:58

always told me you know because they have

39:00

been offered some and I will be turned

39:02

them down and she says just the adventure

39:04

of it uses just do one for the

39:06

adventure of it and then White Knights. Kane

39:09

Taylor Ackford Fantastic director. I'm offering me to

39:11

part and was with my niece or but

39:13

he's Nicholson had played Gregory Hines Rice. I

39:15

would play of Russian on the Gregory Hines.

39:18

Mary's a Russian woman comes to live in

39:20

Russia. And term. Eyes.

39:23

Met them. I'd like them. I'm a very

39:26

good friend of but he's nick Office

39:28

and it was a very good friend of

39:30

Gregory Hines. Will die it's really too young

39:32

and on. And.

39:34

So I dared. are.

39:37

Doing the some just to see. I

39:40

remember working with us and testing photographer

39:42

who Richard Avedon. And he said

39:44

the same thing as my mom said: you

39:46

know the offering, you have some and you're

39:48

turning it down. Just because you're afraid of

39:51

being compared to your mother. But that's

39:53

nothing. and it's a new director is

39:55

either actors a new era and you.

39:58

You prevent yourself from. Being

40:00

an extraordinary adventure and knowing all

40:02

this incredibly talented people and I

40:05

thought he was rights and so

40:07

I did. the. Film and then.

40:09

After. Right? Nice can prove out that

40:12

A Blue Velvet established by reputation as

40:14

an actor although he was very controversial,

40:16

but it established by reputation as an

40:19

actor more than like nine. You

40:23

take anything still from your years as a

40:25

model. What was the lasting impact for you

40:27

personally On you know being such a successful

40:29

model for one com and. Ah,

40:31

did it add anything to you're. Acting

40:35

Arson. Of! I loved

40:37

everything. At. Locked him in

40:39

his very similar you know average on

40:41

said. you know I modeling is a

40:43

little bit like being a silent movie.

40:46

Star of not photographing your nose,

40:48

your eyes, your perfect mouth, And

40:50

photographic and most and there is

40:52

no beauty without emotion so. It.

40:55

Was acting. I was acting in

40:57

front the camera of Bruce Weber.

40:59

Peter. Lim the Stephen Myself busy

41:02

ferry out Added on Pan

41:04

A you have no words

41:06

because there's not a dialogue

41:08

when you do. Still photos.

41:11

And and at and that also made

41:13

me think wealth. But if I am

41:15

a successful model, maybe. I.

41:17

Can evolved and become an actress

41:19

and and I did. And then

41:21

when it become an actress and

41:23

you work with many directors said

41:25

that helps you say it's always

41:27

wanted to make sense about animal

41:29

That experience help you learn and

41:31

evolved to become a writer and

41:34

director. So everything leads. To. Other

41:36

things. Stew.

41:38

He wants more about. Your. Mom's some Odyssey

41:40

of a movie I watched of the bunch

41:43

of my friends that you would think would

41:45

just play like an austere drama where we

41:47

all sat in silence but in fact we

41:49

were screaming at the tv loving it so

41:51

much Being in the movie is Autumn Sonata

41:54

and the the intensity of that drama but

41:56

also the like that the power of both

41:58

their personalities are talking about. Ingrid Bergman and

42:00

leave all man. I. Voting

42:03

of that movie had any particular. If

42:06

you had any particular love for. That

42:08

movie. Since I've i personally now find

42:10

it to be a scream. Assess, assess

42:13

and. Is Sunday that you say

42:15

that? You know it's interesting it was

42:17

done is a serious movie. I mean

42:19

that aig my bird month as into

42:21

comedy but I'm. He.

42:23

Was soon recently at to Berlin Film

42:25

Festival. In that live Woman was there

42:27

to present and. I was the president

42:30

of the festival so I went.

42:32

You. Know as and I'm as of course that

42:35

was my mom was leave omen and or. I.

42:37

Talked to I presented to sell

42:39

would great reverence and then live

42:41

on. Then came and talked and.

42:44

She said she made me laugh so much

42:46

He said well. It my

42:48

bug been Never really a record size

42:50

himself. with the fact that women have

42:52

career he made a sim about a

42:54

woman who had a big career. edna.

42:57

Are therefore see neglected. Her.

43:00

Daughter's at the some is all

43:02

about that and she told. A very

43:05

funny story. There

43:07

is a big scene in the film

43:09

where Level Money plays my mom's daughter.

43:13

Has a long monologues and she lays

43:15

it out to the mother how much

43:17

you neglected me, what you've done to

43:19

your family in the name of your

43:21

career and all this and sold the

43:23

camera the first to close up of

43:25

the world much at all These words

43:27

to remember it. So they started with

43:29

that and then when they reversed the

43:31

camera and mother had to react. Ah

43:34

Bergman said how now live is going

43:36

to do the same seeing how would

43:38

you react and my memo said I

43:40

was slapper you had slapper. am I

43:42

said that would slap or is. A

43:44

boring daughter I do my career so

43:47

seat to of the defense of women

43:49

that had to career and she starts

43:51

fighting with bug and and leave. Woman

43:53

said bourbon was not used to be

43:56

contradicted because every was revered as a

43:58

great genius and they storm. The two

44:00

of them you can hear them who

44:02

scream in the hallway and everybody in

44:04

the set was looking at each other

44:06

and then mother's came back and the

44:08

to seen. An elite movement said

44:10

I couldn't believe this teaching Not

44:13

only have asked him but he's

44:15

teaching of humanity. Because my

44:17

mom play to character. With.

44:20

With just a range says she

44:22

wanted to slap the daughter. Who.

44:25

Was a choosing to mother you have

44:27

done this. Look at me for better.

44:29

Poor people are baba at. And.

44:31

The raids that we met

44:34

half to having to swallow

44:36

always the accusation of. You

44:39

know that the first rolled you

44:41

have is your family is bringing

44:43

up the children and if you

44:45

do anything that it is it's

44:48

just that on you are be

44:50

punished for it and you seed

44:52

of raids It's in my mother's

44:54

eyes and now. And. That

44:56

was a big lesson for leaves. And

45:00

I guess my final question is do

45:02

have a dream personal project you'd like

45:05

to do in the future? Maybe concerning

45:07

animals because I really think they're such

45:09

as be some sort of Instagram live

45:11

feeds her where we watch Isabella Rossellini

45:13

does model arguing about things we don't

45:15

know about animals assistance. You know,

45:17

every night at this farm. For me as

45:19

a lab the As A Lab of A

45:22

D s it's not only my lap of

45:24

ideas are added people, Lap of a D

45:26

As Apprentice. Was an art is Leah Charvis

45:28

who has. Medicinal

45:30

plants and to as she's

45:33

creating seas and she's creating

45:35

oil sir I any quite

45:37

interesting her research and passage

45:39

and treats who was ranting

45:41

three acres out of my

45:43

thirty out. There has been assessed for

45:45

twenty five. Years. And now she's

45:48

growing these absolutely incredibly vegetable for

45:50

great chefs but also for the

45:52

community that can come and buy

45:55

her extraordinary tomatoes and peace. I

45:57

will say she's the Picasso vegetable.

46:00

I am very interested now. On.

46:03

My chickens but also on my of

46:05

fiber and world and the fact that

46:07

there is a lot of. Breeds.

46:09

Of Animals. On. The

46:11

sheep. You. Know the reason marino

46:13

see and that's almost like a monoculture

46:15

is a very soft warm and is

46:17

great and that's the only sheath there

46:20

is around but there is a lot

46:22

of add the breach that are forgotten

46:24

and I have some breeds here. I'm

46:26

that are endangered breeds not the species

46:28

is not in dangers debris as if

46:30

we decide to just a labrador and

46:33

we would neglect all the other dogs.

46:35

Are you losers The pods you lose,

46:37

the stock sound you lose to. Chow.

46:41

Chows, you lose the hunting dogs, You lose

46:44

a high herding dog and you just have

46:46

labradors. You lose a lot of talent. You

46:48

lose a lot of things. So. My

46:51

collection of animal at to farm is

46:53

becoming more and more about is in

46:55

danger. breeds it on. A

46:58

farm animals and a. Study.

47:00

Their benefit and I'm creating

47:02

association with. Parson School of Designs

47:04

and how to school the fashion so they

47:06

can come to students can come and look

47:09

at a different was and decided to may

47:11

be work with spot small farm you know

47:13

what we've done with some to table might

47:15

be done with fashion. You. Know

47:17

sent to fashion so thats my next.

47:20

Makes experiments, That.

47:24

Seems like a perfect it's to experiment. I

47:26

can't imagine anybody else fronting that, but yeah,

47:28

so I'm thrilled when it finally comes to

47:30

fruition. A set of. Thank.

47:34

You again for this chart My God what a what

47:36

a pleasure to talk about Your career, your, your family,

47:38

Everything you do, Everything you are. Thank

47:40

you so much! It was fun to talk to you.

47:43

But. A poser? Isabella

47:45

Rossellini everyone you hurt her Discuss

47:47

Marcel the show with shoes on.

47:50

Ah, You should watch that movie. Script: That's

47:53

really true, some mouse. You can

47:55

also see her in the Italian

47:57

thriller Lucky Mera. that's out now.

48:00

Thanks. So much to Louis for

48:02

interviewing her. Lose. For tell. Also

48:04

the co host of the Very Funny

48:07

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