0:00

If I can be annoying and pedantic

0:03

for a second , it's a champing

0:05

at the bit , not chomping

0:07

. Oh no , why that

0:09

? Got under that , just stuck

0:12

under my skin . I could be the whole bit and

0:14

I'm like champing , champing .

0:17

All right , let me . Let me get a clean . Take a champing at the

0:19

bit so Jordan can edit this in Hang on . So

0:22

if you've been champing at the bit , I'll

0:26

just say the word champing , champing . Have

0:29

fun with that , jordan . Cut that in , make

0:31

it sound perfect .

0:49

So last night I got a text from Alban and it was a picture of him and Kevin with a podcaster named

0:52

D , and Alban was holding his phone up in the photo

0:54

and so I zoomed in . It

0:56

was a zoomed in photo of me on

0:58

your phone . I was

1:00

just like what is this ?

1:04

And then I did respond for about two hours as

1:06

we were at the podcast meetup .

1:07

Yeah , you left me hanging .

1:09

We went to this podcast meetup . We met

1:11

lots of people . We met a few different people

1:13

who listened to Buzzcast and

1:15

we took a photo with one

1:18

of them and she was like oh , jordan's

1:20

not here . And Kevin was like

1:22

try to zoom in on your face

1:24

from your host photo on

1:26

Buzzsprout . And I was like I'm sure I have

1:28

photos of Jordan . And

1:30

so I searched my photos and I had

1:32

a photo of you , jalon and I in

1:35

Atlanta and I was like all right , zoom in

1:37

and hold it up . And it was all all

1:39

four of us having a great time .

1:41

Yeah , it was fun . I thought we had

1:43

a pretty good showing . Maybe

1:46

, maybe 40 people . I'm not really good at guessing numbers in large

1:48

rooms . Yeah , I feel like 40 sounds about right two

1:50

or three people were buzzcast listeners so

1:53

that was fun connecting with them . Um

1:55

, took a couple photos , got to hear

1:57

a lot about different people's podcasts and what they're

1:59

, what they love about doing it , the struggles that they're having

2:01

great , great conversations . A fun

2:04

venue . It was at the Gravity Tap Room

2:06

in Orlando , which I've never been to before . Nice

2:08

location like easy parking and

2:10

nice space .

2:12

One of the things this occurred to me at the end of the

2:14

night , somebody was like I just had such a great time

2:16

, these are such good people and was

2:18

kind of telling me how much she enjoyed it . And

2:21

we were talking and I was like you know what it is

2:23

? It's that everybody here

2:25

one is good at talking

2:28

, they're podcasters . They're good at telling

2:30

you about things . They can monologue if

2:32

they need to . You don't have to worry that the conversation

2:34

is going to be boring . Two , you

2:37

share something . You both enjoy podcasts

2:39

and you both enjoy creating them . So you have shared

2:41

problem sets . But

2:46

then , three , they're also totally different than you because they're podcasting about something

2:48

else . And so every conversation

2:50

, it's easy you go up and you're like

2:53

oh , I see your name tag , that's your name

2:55

, what's your podcast about ? And they'll

2:57

tell you something interesting . And it could

2:59

be , you know , somebody talking about oh

3:01

, I love craft beer . It could be somebody who

3:03

loves knitting . I met somebody who is a literary

3:05

agent and she told me about how

3:08

much she has to do to prep

3:10

, you know , and getting new clients and trying to

3:12

get them jobs . It's just , everybody

3:14

is interesting . And then all

3:17

of them will then have a question or two . That's like

3:19

I met somebody who was like I

3:21

use Spotify for podcasters , but

3:23

I wish I could get into Apple , and I was like

3:25

I mean , here I pull up a YouTube video

3:28

and I'm like here's a video

3:30

we made , here's how you can do it , and

3:32

there's a section on how to use Spotify for podcasters

3:35

to get an Apple . And it's like a blast

3:37

to be able to be very helpful at

3:40

the same time that everybody's just

3:42

so interesting , and so I think it's just

3:44

built for me to enjoy it .

3:46

Yeah .

3:46

You know , you have this combination of just good people

3:49

brought together , and I

3:51

just consistently enjoy meeting

3:53

all sorts of podcasters .

3:54

That's what I like about conferences too is

3:56

you just get to meet really great people . Everyone's

3:58

super nice , and I love

4:01

when they vent about their podcasting

4:03

problems and I'm like I have a fix for that

4:05

. It's just very like satisfying

4:08

yeah .

4:10

You know something that we discovered last night . I

4:12

hadn't known that this would work . I think

4:14

I did theoretically because I wanted to test

4:16

it last night . But people who have

4:18

the Buzzsprout app on their iPhones

4:20

, you know you're meeting new people and they're like what do

4:22

you podcast about ? And yada , yada , yada . And I'd say , oh

4:25

, bring up your podcast in the Buzzsprout app . And

4:27

they bring it up and I'd say , hit that little share thing in

4:29

the top and then , instead of like

4:31

, give me your phone number or whatever and I'll text it

4:33

to you , all we have to do is now touch the top of our phones

4:35

together and

4:47

if you have the app on your phone and they'd be like , yeah , and they'd open it up and it's

4:49

a hit share , and then we'd tap our phones together and it would send me their podcast to my

4:51

phone .

4:52

Yeah , I had never seen that

4:54

before and I was like , wow , it can

4:56

do that . It's like you built this

4:58

app ?

4:58

What are you talking ?

4:59

about .

5:00

That's so cool , it's so cool , it's really cool , but it's

5:02

it's . It's a great way . If you're standing in

5:04

front of somebody and you want to share your podcast

5:07

with them , you just launch the buzzsprout app , tap

5:09

share , and then bump your phone up against their phone and

5:11

it shoots it right over to them .

5:13

Oh , so at podcast moment we're just going to see a bunch

5:15

of people like clacking phones together

5:17

. Yeah , Just bumping phones

5:19

, just bumping phones .

5:20

It's very cool . This is something

5:22

I was going to say for next week when it showed up

5:24

, but since we're talking about it , when

5:26

I was in , I think , dc , matthew

5:30

Passy , who had a really big

5:32

podcasting agency , started

5:34

a company where they make NFC

5:36

chips and he had

5:38

bracelets and he has little stands

5:40

and he has all sorts of things that

5:42

it's like if you put your phone near it , the NFC

5:45

chip will pull up the podcast in

5:47

your podcast player , and so

5:49

he had this bracelet and he was telling me about his show I

5:52

think he called it podcast beacon and

5:54

so I'd put my phone near it and

5:57

, boom , it pulled up his podcast

5:59

on my phone . And so

6:01

he made bracelets for us

6:03

, for podcast movement , and

6:05

he made , I think , like a table

6:07

placard which has got like an image of our artwork

6:09

. It says just tap to listen .

6:11

No way .

6:12

I think they're on route to us , so

6:14

I'm a little bit early to this

6:16

story . But when we go to podcast movement

6:18

we'll all have a nice buzzcast bracelet

6:20

.

6:21

I'm going to be like walking around , just like accidentally

6:23

bumping into people Like

6:26

, oops , listen to my podcast .

6:28

Oops , this

6:33

girl is like extremely clumsy , but also like Greg her podcast really well

6:36

.

6:36

Are there any more of these podcast movement meetups

6:38

that you guys are going to be going to , or is this last

6:40

one ?

6:40

They're going to do one in Charlotte

6:43

, I believe , and I think they are

6:45

maybe looking at adding some more . I'm

6:48

surprised at how many we went to and then

6:50

how many people reached out with new ideas

6:52

. They're like oh , come to Atlanta , or

6:54

maybe you should be over here in Texas , and so there's

6:56

lots of interest .

6:57

Come to Boise .

6:59

Boise would be great . I know

7:01

lots of great podcasters there and

7:03

it is just a lot for us to do all

7:05

the traveling , and so I'm not sure

7:07

if we will do them . But I would love for us to be able

7:09

to figure out what more ways to support

7:12

local meetups or help people organize

7:14

them , because it's so valuable

7:16

for the people who are in the area who now

7:19

get to go meet with people for the first time . I'm

7:21

not sure if Kevin and I going on

7:24

a giant United States

7:26

tour of all these

7:28

podcast meetups is probably the best use

7:30

of our time to take a month off to do it , but it

7:32

really is just a . It's

7:35

just a great thing If you're a podcaster

7:37

to be able to go to one or two and connect

7:39

with people in your area . It really is wonderful

7:41

area

7:49

.

7:49

It really is wonderful . So if you stuck around for our post show last

7:51

episode , I mentioned that we have been working on a new podcast and Megan , who helps

7:53

podcasters in support and does

7:56

a whole bunch of stuff on the marketing side

7:58

, she writes our weekly newsletter

8:00

, and so I've been working with

8:02

Megan the past few weeks in creating an audio version of that newsletter , and so I've been working

8:04

with Megan the past few weeks in creating an audio version of that newsletter

8:07

, and so now we

8:09

are launching Buzzsprout Weekly

8:11

, which is a great podcast

8:13

. Megan is hosting the podcast

8:16

and that's the second Buzzsprout

8:18

podcast . I've gotten to work with someone

8:20

on the team who's never like done a show before

8:23

, so this has been a lot

8:25

of fun . It's been great .

8:27

This is your calling , jordan . I think

8:29

you are so good

8:31

at helping somebody who's very anxious

8:34

or just unsure of podcasting

8:36

. You know it's the first time . They're like this doesn't feel good

8:38

. I remember that very vividly

8:41

for me and you know I

8:43

didn't , I just had to kind of push through

8:45

it . But I've seen you now do it

8:47

with Priscilla . I've seen you now do it with Megan and

8:49

both of them you're like you got it . You're doing

8:51

amazing and they are doing amazing because

8:54

you're encouraging them so well and

8:56

both of those shows have turned out so

8:59

good . So we've been listening to Buzzsprout

9:01

Weekly for a few weeks and

9:04

it's been hidden and now it's

9:06

about to go out to the world and people start

9:08

listening to something that's going to be like a

9:10

five minute episode that's just

9:12

covering what we already have in our newsletter

9:15

. But it's so nice

9:17

to listen to it . There's

9:19

more personality and sometimes

9:21

you don't feel like I want to let you

9:23

know . Go read another newsletter in my inbox

9:26

. It's nice just to queue up that

9:28

episode in the morning on , you

9:30

know , monday or Tuesday when you get the episode .

9:32

Yeah , and we have all the same links in

9:34

the show notes of the podcast that we do in the newsletter

9:37

. So , yeah , it's a . I think

9:39

it's definitely going to be a huge

9:41

convenience for people that are just wanting to

9:43

get that information very quickly .

9:46

Yeah , I like this a lot . My around town driving

9:48

happens in the morning and so I love the idea

9:50

of being able to consume

9:53

like some of the things that normally come into my email inbox

9:55

If I can get them in an audio format for

9:57

some things . I like that and so I'm excited

9:59

about Buzzsprout Weekly being able to listen

10:01

to it . I do this once in a while for PodNews

10:03

, so PodNews comes to my email inbox every day , and

10:06

if I'm sitting , if I'm working from home that day , or if I'm

10:08

just starting my day at my home computer , that's

10:10

a great place for me to consume it . But I also have it queued

10:12

up in my podcast app , so if I'm starting the day in the

10:14

car , I can also just consume it there without

10:16

having to sit on your phone while you're in traffic . Safe

10:25

thing or ideal thing , but I love listening to podcasts and so hopefully there's a percentage of our

10:27

audience that feels the same way and starts tuning into the show . This is the first weekly show

10:29

that we've produced at Buzzsprout . This

10:31

show , of course , is every two weeks . Happy

10:33

to Help , I think is every two weeks , is that right , jordan

10:36

?

10:36

Yes , we did have podcasting Q&A , which

10:38

I think was weekly .

10:40

Yeah , and that's on hiatus .

10:45

But that was another short form . It's really nice because we

10:47

make sure that everyone doesn't get like burnout on the podcast

10:49

. We're very like conscientious about like okay

10:51

, short form weekly is totally cool

10:53

. Long form it's going to be every other week .

10:56

Yeah .

10:57

Got to give it space .

10:59

So doing the weekly show ? Are you going to produce

11:01

it every single week ? Are you going to batch these

11:03

things or , yeah , just going to do it every week

11:05

?

11:05

Well , I mean , yeah , that's the thing . I mean it's just like

11:07

with buzzcast . I mean buzzcast we can't

11:09

batch record buzzcast unless

11:11

we don't cover any current

11:13

events , and so buzzsprout

11:16

weekly is sort of the same thing , where , you

11:18

know , we we do include some like industry insights

11:20

and news and stuff like that . So it

11:22

kind of has to be every

11:24

single week . So you know , when I go on vacation

11:27

here we might have to do some moving things around

11:29

or people stepping in . So it's

11:31

going to be interesting , it's going to be a little challenging

11:34

, I think .

11:34

So how does that play into when you're , when you're

11:36

setting up like the production of

11:39

a podcast and you know it's going to be weekly , you

11:41

know that people's schedules change from week to week and sometimes

11:43

people are on vacation and stuff .

11:44

Yeah .

11:45

How do you use that knowledge and those like

11:47

, how do you embrace those constraints in formulating how

11:49

we're going to put the show together ?

11:50

Basically , we have so many talented

11:53

people on the team that I don't

11:55

think it's that difficult to find people

11:57

to step up when others

11:59

need to like take a step back , and

12:02

so I think that that is massively

12:04

helpful in making sure that

12:06

we do publish . When we say

12:09

we're going to publish the podcast

12:11

, you know . So when Megan goes on vacation

12:13

, you know maybe Alban can step in

12:15

and he can record the podcast episode , and you

12:17

know things like that or I can do it , you know . Whatever

12:20

, no pressure , but

12:22

I think I think that definitely helps is just

12:24

having like an awesome team that you

12:27

can rely on .

12:28

I also really love the concept of this podcast

12:31

. You know it's similar to what

12:33

Pod News is doing almost every day

12:35

. It's similar to the show that I list

12:37

to Discover Daily that the Perplexity

12:40

team puts together . It's

12:42

five minutes , it covers the

12:45

main things that happened in this area

12:47

and you can listen and

12:49

you feel like , okay , I'm caught up and

12:51

if you want to dive deep , you can dive deep , and

12:53

if you don't , you can move on . But

12:55

it's really nice to have those five-minute little

12:58

here's what you need to know in this area

13:00

and then you're done . There was this whole

13:02

idea years ago that everybody

13:05

was going to have morning briefings from Alexa

13:07

. Do you remember this , Kevin ? Everyone

13:09

was trying to build little mini podcasts . It would

13:11

all get clumped together into a morning

13:13

briefing and it never really picked up as

13:16

much as we hoped . But I

13:18

think these five-minute podcasts are

13:20

a really nice way to , if you can say

13:22

, I want to know the top podcasting stories

13:24

every day . I'm an indie podcaster and I

13:26

want to know the few things that Buzzsprout

13:28

thinks are important for me . I want to know what's

13:31

happening in science and technology today

13:33

, whatever it may be . There's

13:35

these little mini podcast

13:37

episodes that you can just queue up

13:39

, they can autoplay on a playlist

13:41

and , as you're going around your

13:43

morning , in the first 25 minutes you've

13:45

listened to three , four of these little mini episodes

13:48

. But now you're like oh , I've caught

13:50

up on all of the areas of news

13:52

that I like to keep in touch with and

13:55

now I feel like I don't have to

13:57

go jumped into social media , I don't have to go onto

13:59

my news website and try to dig

14:01

around to see if something's happening . I

14:04

feel like I'm caught up , I've seen it

14:06

and now you can move

14:08

on with your day .

14:09

Yeah , and from a production standpoint it's

14:11

really not a big project

14:13

to do . A five-minute episode

14:15

from start to finish probably takes , like , let's

14:18

say , 40 minutes , 45 minutes , and

14:20

it's not a big deal

14:22

. But you are getting that information out there

14:24

, you are getting a podcast episode out

14:26

and yeah .

14:28

So could you walk us through what those 40

14:30

minutes look like for you ? So Megan's

14:32

already written the newsletter and then

14:34

how do you , the two of you , meet and record

14:36

from there to published ? What does it look

14:38

like ?

14:39

Yeah , so basically 9

14:41

30 in the morning on Monday , I'm

14:43

going to hop on Riverside . She's there and

14:46

what we do is she has a version

14:49

of it , because if she was to take the newsletter

14:51

and just read her newsletter

14:53

into the microphone , the way that you

14:55

write and the way that you speak are completely different

14:58

. It's just not

15:00

remotely the same . And so that was one of the things that

15:02

we really had to work on when

15:04

we first started this was she

15:06

would write it in a way where she was like

15:08

, yeah , I would say this this way , and

15:10

so she'll just kind of like , you know , change

15:12

the content of the newsletter a little bit and she's like , yeah

15:14

, this is how I would speak . But then , once she

15:16

got on the microphone things that

15:18

are cute when she writes them sounded really

15:21

corny or cheesy and it was just like

15:23

, oh , that's not gonna fly , or she'd be like that sounds

15:25

weird , that sounds weird when I

15:27

say it out loud . And so what

15:30

I think she's learned to do is to

15:32

like , actually , when she's writing it , say

15:34

it out loud , and then she can be

15:36

like , okay , that feels natural or that feels right

15:39

, and so that's made it a lot faster . So

15:41

now we record . I

15:46

think we're gonna we're to get the recording down to like 15 minutes and that's with

15:48

like two or three takes , you know , because sometimes you say things incorrectly

15:50

or fumble your words and so

15:52

that'll take about that long . And then

15:55

I export the file , edit

15:57

it , put the music bedding underneath it and then

15:59

upload it . And it's really nice

16:02

for show notes because she already has the

16:04

newsletter written . So it's really nice

16:06

for show notes because she already has the newsletter written . So

16:10

it's really easy for me to just pull those links together and write a short episode description and

16:12

then put it out . So yeah , when it's all said and done , I mean , let's say , 40 minutes

16:14

to an hour if I have to wait on anything

16:16

, but it's like a big bang for your buck

16:19

. You just don't have to spend a lot of time on it . But

16:21

it's going to reach a lot of people and it's going to

16:23

benefit a lot of people .

16:26

It's the perfect example of

16:28

we've already done the work in

16:30

collecting the stories . Megan's vetted

16:32

them , we're doing all the work to create

16:35

the content and now the podcast is just

16:37

another way to distribute it .

16:39

Yeah .

16:39

And it's nice if maybe

16:41

it's an hour start to finish . If you count

16:44

Megan's time as well for the recording , we're

16:46

putting an hour of work in , but

16:48

if a few thousand people listen to

16:50

it , that's a huge return for

16:53

so many people being able to listen to this podcast

16:55

and going yeah , I don't really want to read a

16:57

newsletter every morning . Well , now it's another

16:59

way for us to share what

17:01

we think is important about podcasting and

17:04

I'm excited for more and more people to be able to

17:06

listen to it .

17:06

So Buzzsprout Weekly will be out at the time

17:09

of this episode publishing , so

17:11

I'll put a link in the show notes where you

17:13

can subscribe to it . Alban

17:18

, you posted a spicy tweet

17:21

that says if

17:23

a podcaster isn't worth

17:25

listening to at 1x , then

17:27

it isn't worth listening to at 1.5x

17:30

or faster , and

17:32

you might as well have kicked

17:35

the podcasting Twitter's hornet's

17:37

nest . Do you care to

17:39

comment on that ?

17:40

Well , podcast Twitter kind of didn't care

17:42

about it . The podcast

17:45

threads people really didn't like

17:47

it .

17:47

That's where they are .

17:48

I'm trying to be a little bit better

17:50

about cross-posting things , and so I pulled

17:52

up LinkedIn threads and

17:54

Twitter and what I thought was just a

17:57

very boring tweet , posted

17:59

it on all three and then it came back to threads

18:01

later had like 30 people saying this is the

18:03

worst take .

18:07

Yeah , people were upset .

18:09

It's not a bad take . It's a very good take

18:11

. I stand by this a hundred percent

18:13

. There's sometimes people will post things and be like

18:15

I just said it , I completely believe

18:17

it . It's so strange to me that

18:20

speeding up podcasts

18:23

is like the norm that so many

18:25

people are like let's listen to podcasts

18:27

at 1.5 , 2X

18:29

, like way faster than

18:31

it was recorded , but nobody does

18:33

this for movies . No one's ever watching

18:36

movies at 1.2X .

18:38

Wait a second . I do it for movies

18:41

. No , you don't I do . Oh my God

18:43

, kevin . Yeah , I'm sorry why . I don't know why . I do it for movies no , you don't

18:45

I do . Oh my God , Kevin . Yeah , I'm sorry , I know , I

18:47

do feel I don't know why . I do feel

18:49

a little worse about doing it for TV shows and

18:51

movies . I know you do this for podcasts

18:53

.

18:54

I've heard you do it for podcasts and it

18:56

was like unsettling . I got the car once

18:58

and Kevin , I think , was listening to like three X

19:00

and it was terrible .

19:01

It wasn't three three acts and it was terrible

19:03

. I never go above two .

19:05

Oh my gosh . But even two is just like brutal

19:07

.

19:12

Okay , well , here's here's . Here's my take . Alban , open your mind a little bit . And , and Jordan , I think

19:14

you're going to get this once I say it . Okay , but there are a

19:16

lot . I like a lot of podcasts

19:19

. I like to listen to a lot of podcasts , and

19:21

most of the ones that I listen to are

19:24

in the hour range or so , and

19:26

I realistically probably couldn't

19:29

if I'm listening to them all at 1x . I couldn't

19:31

listen to nearly the number of shows that I listen

19:33

to , given the amount of time I have to

19:35

listen to podcasts in a week . And so

19:37

I've kind of found this system where

19:40

I don't get the full appreciation

19:43

or depth of thought around the content

19:45

that I do if I listen at 1x . But what

19:47

I'm doing when I'm listening at like 1.5

19:49

to 2 is I'm just listening

19:51

for something that's like the interesting

19:54

point , and then I will

19:56

like I'm like , oh , that's a really good thought

19:58

. I will back up and I'll slow it down to 1x

20:00

and I'll listen to that segment at

20:02

1x . And so all the time

20:05

I'm listening at 1.5 and then I'm like , oh wait , that was

20:07

great , that was great , and whatever , I'll grab

20:09

my phone , I'll pause , I'll back up , you

20:11

know , a minute or two , hit down to 1x , and then I'll

20:13

listen until the point where I'm like , okay , they've made that

20:15

point , I understood it , I got it , and I'll go back

20:17

to 1.5 or two . And

20:29

so that's how missing some things I totally agree

20:31

. I'm not challenging that , but I

20:34

use it to get to those points that are

20:36

really interesting to me more efficiently

20:38

.

20:39

See , and I think you're making more work for

20:41

yourself , like no wonder you're not consuming more

20:43

podcasts because you're constantly

20:45

having to fidget with your phone and like stop and go

20:47

back and then like change the speed , like

20:50

that sounds exhausting to me .

20:52

Well , what I find when I listen that fast is I

20:54

can understand all of it , I'm comprehending it , but

20:56

I'm not absorbing it . I do need

20:58

to really slow it down to at least like

21:01

one X . I never go below one X . Does anybody

21:03

go below one X ? Does anyone listen at like 0.75

21:05

?

21:06

Uh , yes , I had a responder , um

21:08

Brett Hall , who does a podcast

21:10

called talk cast theory of knowledge

21:12

cast very , very deep uh

21:15

, science of philosophy podcast . And

21:17

he said oh , I have people who say they listen

21:19

to mine at 0.7 , which

21:21

makes sense . I've listened to his podcast . It's

21:23

very dense so I

21:26

could understand listening slower . But

21:28

let me , can I make this point a

21:30

little bit more clear , cause I

21:32

hear what you're saying and this

21:35

is what I've formulated this over years

21:38

. Like as a kid , I realized

21:40

there's a functionally unlimited number

21:42

of books . It's just they're unlimited

21:44

. I will never read 1%

21:46

of the books out there . So

21:49

what you have to do as

21:51

a reader is just to accept

21:53

. You will never get close to the end

21:55

of books . Books are being generated faster

21:58

than you could ever read them . You're falling further

22:00

and behind your entire life . You

22:02

will never get even closer . So

22:04

what you have to do is have a very strong filter

22:07

what are , for me

22:09

, the top 0.1% of

22:11

books , because that's all I'm ever going to read . Even

22:14

if you read thousands of books , it's only a

22:16

tiny sliver . So find

22:18

what is the very best for

22:20

you , and so I've gotten

22:22

very good at if I , in a 100 pages

22:24

. Am not loving this book . I'm done

22:26

. I don't care if I bought it . I don't care if it's been

22:28

recommended . If it's 100 pages

22:30

and I'm not really into

22:33

it , it's okay to let it go

22:35

.

22:35

But what if the life changing lesson

22:37

for you is on page 101 ? What

22:40

if ?

22:40

it is , the chances that there's a life changing

22:43

lesson on page 101 have gone

22:45

way down because they had a hundred pages

22:47

to make that life-changing lesson and they didn't even do it

22:49

. But now the chances

22:51

that book two has a life-changing

22:54

lesson in the first hundred pages is probably

22:56

better than book one . That's

22:58

the argument .

22:59

The probabilities have shifted . All right . So here's

23:02

how I read books . I read them pretty

23:04

quickly . I think I read them much

23:06

like I listen to podcasts . I kind of skim

23:08

through a lot of the content , Like

23:11

I'm reading paragraph by paragraph , and

23:13

sometimes I'm even jumping a paragraph and seeing

23:15

if I'm still following along and I'm moving through

23:17

the book pretty quickly . And then I

23:19

find a point that I'm like oh wait

23:21

, that there seems like there's something there . I'll

23:23

back up and I'll read it again more slowly .

23:31

I oh wait . There seems like there's something there .

23:32

I'll back up and I'll read it again more slowly . I'll be honest , because the

23:34

point you're making to me right now is so offensive . It's making me more . I'm feeling

23:36

so good about this 1X . It hurts . Just think about this . Books , movies

23:39

, magazines , social

23:41

media , podcasts , youtube

23:43

videos , tiktoks there's unlimited

23:45

, even on Buzzsprout . I did

23:47

the math . We're doing something like 45

23:49

new minutes of episodes on just

23:52

Buzzsprout are coming out every minute

23:54

, so you'll never

23:56

could listen to all the episodes produced

23:58

by Buzzsprout podcasters , even

24:00

if you listened , but my goal is not to listen

24:03

to everything , it's just to listen to as much as I

24:05

can . So you have to accept your

24:07

life is limited . You

24:09

only have a finite amount of life and

24:11

you've got to pick . If you're going to create and

24:13

engage with content , make

24:15

it the best , make it the very best stuff

24:17

. And so , if I'm already .

24:19

Yeah , I think how you're choosing to filter

24:21

the best and how I'm choosing to filter the best are just

24:23

different .

24:24

And I think what you've decided to do is I'm

24:26

saying I'm knocking out 99% and

24:28

you're going , I'm knocking out 98.5

24:31

, but I'm now going to engage with that 1.5%

24:34

a little bit less . I'm going to kind of miss

24:36

some of it . It's going to kind of like

24:38

some of it will get me and then I'll go back and I'll

24:40

listen to it and I'm like , if I'm going

24:43

to engage with it , it's at least

24:45

worth engaging with fully . And

24:53

so for me that means the best books I often will go back and reread

24:55

three , five years later , means I take a lot of notes when I listen

24:57

to podcasts , when I read , when I watch videos . Like

24:59

I'm mostly trying to take notes because

25:01

then I'm like something is durable

25:04

and years later I'll have something I

25:06

remember . Oh , I remember how I felt

25:08

from listening to that podcast or

25:10

reading that book , even

25:12

20 years later . But there's so many books that

25:14

I just cruised through because I wanted a stamp

25:17

and I wanted to be able to tell people yeah

25:19

, I read Anna Karenina . But if you

25:21

ask me now , what does Anna Karenina mean

25:23

? I'd be like I remember like five

25:26

facts about it and me

25:28

getting that stamp like I read it is

25:31

not worth anything and

25:33

at least it just doesn't feel like there's

25:35

any value . But there's books I've read so

25:37

much more slowly that

25:39

I remember so much and they have so much

25:41

more meaning for me . So the argument

25:44

is if it's worth reading

25:46

, it's worth reading well , if it's worth

25:48

listening to , it's worth like engaging with

25:50

fully . And if you think

25:52

I've got too much going on , the best

25:54

way to save time is just delete a bad podcast

25:57

. You know you're halfway into it . You go , this

25:59

stinks delete and you've saved

26:01

all the rest of the time . I don't know

26:03

.

26:03

This is feeling very existentialist

26:06

. Like you , only have a finite amount

26:08

of time , so be intentional with every minute of

26:10

it .

26:11

Yeah .

26:12

And I don't disagree . I love that , but

26:14

I mean , sometimes I also

26:16

just want to consume

26:19

as much crap as I can .

26:22

You guys might find this highly offensive

26:24

, but on the regular , if I'm watching

26:27

a movie or a TV show that

26:29

I've never seen before , I will regularly

26:31

just skip through large chunks of it . Oh

26:33

my God .

26:34

What , kevin

26:37

, are you listening

26:39

to music You're like , oh , I got to listen to the

26:41

new Taylor Swift album , just crank it to

26:43

2X .

26:44

Oh no , I don't . No , I don't listen to

26:46

music at 2x , but

26:51

I do skip songs like a lot . Yeah , but I'll be

26:53

watching a movie and whatever like a scene

26:55

happens where they're doing like character development

26:57

. I'm like I kind of know what's gonna happen

27:00

here .

27:00

I know what yeah , with the guns three minutes ahead . Am

27:02

I still tracking the story ? Yeah , still tracking the story , I'm fine keep going .

27:04

Oh , am I still tracking the story ? Yeah , still tracking the

27:06

story , I'm fine , keep going . Oh man

27:08

, I mean , who the heck ? I don't have time to sit

27:10

around and watch a two-hour movie and get this done

27:13

in an hour 15 , it was good . I

27:15

and I try to bring this to real life as much as possible

27:18

, like the guidelines I give for people when we're

27:20

having conversations , like they're like . I want to tell you

27:22

this story about something that happened to me , and

27:24

sometimes I'll say something like in the realm of

27:26

okay , tell me the briefest possible

27:28

version of the story you can and

27:31

then allow me to ask

27:33

clarifying questions if necessary . All

27:35

right , this would be the most efficient

27:37

conversation that either one of us have had today . We'll

27:39

both feel really good about it .

27:41

Oh man , it's a miracle that this podcast

27:43

gets to be as long as it does .

27:47

I just don't know how it happens , all

27:49

right . Well , Alban , good job for putting

27:51

out something that stirred some conversation

27:53

. I don't know that I'm convinced enough to

27:56

change my listening habits around podcasting

27:58

, but it's opened my mind to a different

28:00

perspective .

28:00

Well , if you want to dig into this more

28:03

, I think if you want the more existential

28:05

version of it , I

28:13

would go read 4,000 Weeks by Oliver Berkman

28:15

. It's a book about your life , is something about 4,000 weeks long , and you feel that when

28:17

you start thinking about those numbers , you go that's a lot

28:20

shorter than I expected and

28:22

he's like , yeah , you can't

28:24

do everything , but you can

28:26

do some things well , so try

28:28

to find out what is super important to you . I

28:31

really enjoyed that book . I almost immediately

28:33

reread it and took notes because I enjoyed

28:35

it so much . And then the co-founder

28:38

of podcasting , Adam Curry the podfather tweeted

28:41

a long time ago and this really landed for

28:43

me . If you're regularly listening

28:45

to podcasts at sped up speeds

28:47

, watch out , because you'll find out that

28:49

you become less patient with real people in

28:52

your real life . That's

28:54

true . That's

28:57

100% true , I've been on the receiving end

28:59

of that , kevin . You're like all right , dude

29:02

, you got to talk 2x . I'm

29:04

talking at 0.7 speed , naturally

29:07

.

29:08

Yeah , it's definitely not . It's

29:10

definitely not healthy . I do

29:12

feel more anxious . I do feel like

29:14

if I come off a four hour

29:17

car trip and I've just been listening to a bunch of podcasts at

29:19

2X the whole time , when I get there I

29:21

am like amped up , like people are thinking like

29:23

did you , were you chugging coffee the whole time you were driving

29:25

here ? Let's go . We got to hurry up . We got to make

29:27

some decisions .

29:32

We've got to get to the point . Some people did point out they're like well , what

29:34

if there's a podcast that I only like , part of it and at least

29:36

sharing my workflow ? You know I will

29:38

listen in a podcast app big

29:40

fan of pocket cast right now . But

29:42

if you then want to be like , oh

29:45

, there's only something in this show I want , but I don't

29:47

want to have to scrub through and find it , I

29:49

will share it into this app called Matter

29:51

M-A-T-T-E-R . It's

29:54

like a reader app for reading

29:56

articles , but they will transcribe

29:58

the episode and

30:00

then you can just scroll through and

30:02

read the section you want . You can take notes

30:04

and if you click play , you can get a

30:06

really nice podcast listening

30:08

experience . So if you

30:10

are interested in shows and you know

30:13

this is not worth listening to at 1x

30:15

, 2x or any other speed

30:17

I would check out Matter and

30:19

Transcribe there .

30:20

I cringe a little bit to think that people

30:22

who are listening to the show might be listening

30:25

at 1x .

30:27

I listened to this show at 1x and I live

30:29

it at 1x yeah .

30:36

I know . But after Jordan's done the final edit I will listen back to see what made it and

30:38

what didn't . And when I'm listening at 1x , I'm like we all sound just

30:40

so sleepy and boring

30:42

, like talk faster . And then I put

30:44

on 1.5 and I'm like , oh , that's

30:50

a pretty good show . I got some pets . So I think there are some shows , quality wise , that are really

30:52

only kind of worth listening to at 1.5 X , and this might be one of them , one

30:54

of the most unhinged takes

30:57

I ever heard .

30:58

I want to say this was from Song

31:00

Exploder shared this that

31:02

somebody once reached out to Song Exploder , which

31:05

they will interview an artist

31:07

, talk about the show , tear it apart

31:09

and at the end they play the song and

31:12

someone goes yeah , it's great , but could you make

31:14

another podcast feed where you speed , you

31:16

slow down the song half

31:18

speed and they're like what , why would we do that

31:20

? They go well , I listened to the whole show on

31:23

two X because it's kind of boring

31:25

, but then I get to the song . That's too fast

31:27

, so I want you to slow down the

31:29

song piece . And Ritchie K Shorway

31:32

is like that is just hit 1X

31:34

, that's all you have to do . I have to make

31:36

a whole nother show so that you don't

31:39

have to hit 1X at the end and switch

31:41

.

31:42

That sounds like a really good idea for a podcast app

31:44

, Like

31:49

the podcast app itself should be able to recognize whether this is speech or this is music , and so

31:51

if you crank up the speed a little bit , it should only apply to the talking only

31:53

. So when you set your speed it could be

31:55

like a I don't know . I think somebody already has

31:57

a smart speed thing .

31:58

Yeah that's overcast . Smart speed is

32:01

really nice because it

32:03

will just find the brakes you know the natural

32:05

brakes in my voice and it just tightens

32:08

them up and everybody sounds better

32:10

.

32:10

Other people call them like gap zappers and stuff

32:12

like that . Yeah , but I don't know if anybody's taking

32:15

the time to figure out how to speed up speech

32:17

. But not music . Yeah , free podcast idea . I

32:19

like that kind of million dollar

32:21

idea .

32:22

Take it million

32:29

dollar idea . Take it so about three months ago we released Buzzsprout for iOS and we've

32:31

had so many podcasters talking about it and

32:33

loving on it , but our Android users

32:35

have felt a little left out . So we

32:37

have promised that we are working

32:40

on an Android app . We had them sign

32:42

up for a wait list and now

32:44

do we have any information on that , Like

32:46

where we're at with it ?

32:48

Yeah , the first batch of early invite

32:50

invitations went out last week

32:52

or this week I don't know what week

32:54

we're on but they went out in the last couple of days .

32:56

They went out two days ago , but that will

32:58

be like a week and a half ago when this episode

33:00

comes out .

33:01

Yeah , and so Alban is maintaining

33:03

that list , and if you are

33:06

an Android person and you are

33:08

champing at the bit to get your hands

33:10

on the Android app for Buzzspr , like to

33:12

get access to that app as soon as possible , the best way

33:14

to do it is to get on that list . The

33:33

app I'm happy to report it is really

33:36

, really good . We're trying to bring

33:38

that same level . We've talked about

33:40

this a lot on the show , but we put a lot of time

33:42

into really crafting a strong

33:44

app presence for Buzzsprout

33:46

in the native experience . So we did that on iOS

33:49

and we wanted to make sure we put just as much care

33:51

and attention and detail into

33:53

what we're bringing to Android as well , and

33:55

so we've been working on that heads

33:57

down for almost 12 full weeks

33:59

now , and that's like a long time

34:02

, considering the app was already done for iOS , so

34:04

it's just translating all of that over for Android and

34:06

making a really good experience for Android . So

34:08

some of the like conventions on Android

34:10

are a little bit different and we wanted to make sure we respected

34:13

the platform , that this was going on and we wanted to get those right

34:15

, and so that's what the majority of that time has

34:17

gone to . But , like if you put the Android app

34:19

right next to iOS , they are very similar , but

34:21

the iOS version feels very iOS-y and

34:23

the Android version feels very Android-y

34:26

, and I think we're kind of proud of that

34:28

. You want the apps to feel appropriate

34:30

on the platform , not

34:34

that just something was just ported over and it doesn't feel like the rest of your Android

34:36

apps . We wanted to make sure we paid attention

34:38

to those types of details , so I think we struck a pretty

34:40

good balance . I think it feels really good . So

34:42

hopefully , if you're an Android person

34:45

and you love Android apps , you love the way they

34:47

feel . We hope that this Buzzsprout app feels

34:49

right at home on your Android device and

34:52

sets you up well to be able to monitor

34:54

and make quick updates to your podcast

34:56

and get push notifications and

34:58

do all the fun things that iOS users have

35:01

been doing for the past 12 weeks . Now it's

35:03

your turn too . So get on the list , download

35:05

the app . Send

35:11

for the past 12 weeks . Now it's your turn too . So get on the list , download the app , send us feedback , let us know what you think , if there's any improvements . We

35:13

want to hear that stuff and share it with your friends who are podcasters as well . Like I said

35:15

, I said this when we released the iOS app . Since getting this

35:17

app on my phone , it's very much

35:19

now feels to me like I can't imagine

35:21

podcasting without it , whether

35:23

it's just checking in on your stats , making quick

35:25

updates to an existing episode For

35:27

us , we do the Snapcast . I don't

35:29

know , jordan , if you use it to unpublish or if you just do it the

35:31

same time that you do , but I've unpublished a Snapcast

35:34

before through the iOS app . Fan

35:36

mail is a fantastic experience through

35:38

the app , just getting that push notification , tapping

35:40

and looking at your fan mail right away . Once in

35:42

a while , we'll accept ad opportunities that come our way , and

35:45

I do all that stuff through the app , and so I can't

35:47

really imagine podcasting anymore without it

35:49

. It's kind of like before we had it , I didn't miss it , but

35:51

now that I have it , I'm like , oh gosh , podcasting

35:53

without this app just feels terrible

35:55

. I would never want to do that again , and so hopefully

35:57

our Android customers will be able to have that same

35:59

experience soon .

36:04

We already talked about a tweet , but yesterday

36:07

Tom Rossi also tweeted

36:09

Thankfully at Spotify

36:11

implemented conditional get requests

36:13

with e-tags . This

36:15

resulted in 87% reduction

36:17

in bandwidth and processing for both Buzzsprout

36:20

and Spotify , and

36:27

it sounds good . But I don't understand

36:29

what this even means and I wanted

36:31

to comment like oh yay , what does ?

36:32

that mean , but I thought maybe I'd

36:35

just ask you guys . So the way podcasting works is all of your

36:37

information is put in the RSS feed , which

36:39

is just like a webpage , and

36:42

then the podcast apps check

36:44

that page constantly to

36:46

see . Has something changed ? When

36:48

I say constantly , I mean constantly , every

36:51

podcast getting checked more than

36:53

every minute of every day by

36:56

most apps . So we're

36:58

talking millions and millions of requests

37:00

from Spotify , apple and

37:02

all these other apps every day , and

37:05

when Tom and I were going

37:07

to these meetups , he was telling me about e-tags

37:09

and conditional get requests . So

37:11

think of this

37:14

page . It's got a ton of information and

37:16

for us they probably only get

37:18

changed once every week

37:21

or two when somebody publishes a new episode

37:23

or updates it , but Spotify is still

37:25

checking it , or any other app

37:27

checking it every minute , downloading

37:29

it , checking hey , is this changed ? No , throw

37:32

it away . Check again the next minute . Is this ? Download

37:34

it , Check , Is this changed ? Oh

37:37

, no , throw it away . And so

37:39

Tom has been really trying to get

37:41

more people to do this thing called podping or

37:44

PubHub .

37:44

SubHub or something like that .

37:46

Websub is the new name for that when

37:48

we go out and we would say

37:51

this one's updated , because we're

37:53

only telling you once every two weeks this updated

37:55

. Now you can update it , rather

37:58

than you coming to us . They

38:00

haven't implemented that . But what he

38:02

did do is he reached out to someone at Spotify

38:04

and they went wow

38:07

, these conditional get requests with

38:09

e-tags would be really good . So

38:11

what they do is they

38:13

ask hey , can I get that RSS

38:15

feed ? And Tom goes sure , and then

38:17

they put something on it called an e-tag , which just is like

38:20

think of it as like a number or a label . It's

38:22

number 1,000 . They go okay

38:24

, Next time Spotify comes back , they

38:27

say , hey , I want that episode , number

38:30

1,000 . And then Tom

38:32

or Buzzsprout will reply number

38:41

1,000 is still current , that's the same one . So all

38:43

they get is like yes , it's the same from us . Rather than let me give you the entire file

38:45

, which might be multiple pages of

38:47

content , download that every minute

38:49

of every day . It's a huge difference

38:52

. Instead of every minute

38:54

, we're sending this whole RSS feed every

38:56

minute . Now we're just saying no changes , no

38:59

changes , no changes . And

39:01

then , when there's a change , we go yes , change

39:03

, here's the whole thing . And then they

39:05

go great , they download it and they make the update

39:07

. So it's a more efficient

39:09

way , much more efficient . 87%

39:12

reduction , so that's a big

39:15

, big improvement for not

39:17

just Buzzsprout but also for Spotify

39:19

, and these things add

39:21

up , this is a good amount of energy

39:23

that's probably was being wasted and

39:25

now it's not so positive for

39:27

pretty much everybody .

39:29

It's always shocking to me how some

39:31

of the larger players in technology

39:33

are , you know , not super

39:36

concerned about efficiencies around

39:38

bandwidth , but they are very concerned about

39:40

like creating . If they create like

39:42

physical products , like making sure that people understand

39:44

how eco-friendly these things are and how they

39:47

use recycled material . And when you're done with this physical

39:49

product , we're going to recycle it and all this kind of stuff . But at the same

39:51

time , what they're doing on the energy side

39:53

with the and like in this example

39:55

, bandwidth equals energy how

39:58

inefficient they are . And so

40:00

there are improvements to be made that are

40:02

beneficial for the world also in just

40:04

being more efficient in how we're moving data

40:07

around . It's all powered by computers

40:09

, and the more compute you're using to push

40:11

stuff around unnecessarily

40:14

is not good for the environment , it's

40:16

not good for the planet , it's not good for our

40:18

energy resources and where we derive that

40:20

energy from , whether it be clean or not

40:22

. Because , again , energy , kind of like money

40:24

, is a little bit fungible If you're not using it here

40:26

, you can use it somewhere else . No-transcript

40:32

, and so I don't know . I've just always kind of found it a

40:34

little bit like strange that

40:36

these companies , they want to talk how much of

40:38

recycled aluminum they use and how they're efficient

40:40

in their glass process and how they're reducing shipping

40:42

container size and how they're

40:45

not going to send you a power brick with every

40:47

new phone they deliver anymore but nobody

40:49

wants to talk about . Okay , but you're requesting

40:51

all this data thousands of times

40:54

a day unnecessarily

40:56

, like we could be more efficient there too , and

40:58

when you do it , you should be proud of it and do press

41:00

releases and tell other people

41:03

so that other people feel the pressure to also be responsible

41:05

for the planet . It's great that I'm not

41:07

saying don't do it for your product stuff and your physical stuff

41:09

, but there's also efficiencies to be had in

41:12

podcasting and how we get

41:14

updates for our podcasts , and so it's

41:16

not just about oh , who cares

41:19

if the listener gets the podcast

41:21

within five minutes you published it , or 20 minutes

41:23

later or an hour later . Is that that big of a deal ? Well

41:25

, it's not just about that . It's also about

41:28

being efficient in the bandwidth

41:30

that we use .

41:31

Yeah , I had the same conversation with somebody

41:33

on Reddit when

41:35

Pocket Cast said , hey , we're going to use pod paying

41:38

and someone was like what does this matter ? Like I'll

41:40

get the episode five minutes after

41:42

it comes out or two hours later , and I'm like you're

41:45

right , as a listener , that's often

41:47

not super important to you . I understand

41:50

that it is really valuable

41:52

for the efficiency of the internet

41:54

and it is interesting . So

41:57

many companies are not really

41:59

all that focused on it and we

42:01

were like a true startup . I think everyone

42:03

would say what the heck is Tom doing ? Wasting

42:05

his time trying to get conditional

42:08

get requests and pod ping done . You should

42:10

be focusing on something else . But this

42:12

is Tom taking this

42:14

thing . He goes . This is important to me . I just want

42:16

to reduce bandwidth and waste . It's a bunch

42:18

of waste . I don't like it . And so , year

42:21

after year after year , it's oh

42:23

. We're zipping the RSS feeds differently

42:25

. We are actively removing

42:28

tags that aren't used . We are trying

42:30

to reduce the amount of information that we're

42:32

sending out across just the internet . Where

42:34

now we're using pod ping , now we're using

42:36

conditional get requests . All of those add

42:38

up and year after year after

42:40

year , each one of them looks small ish

42:43

. But I know that

42:45

I've worked with Tom now for 10 years and

42:48

I've seen every few months , tom

42:50

find some new little efficiency to add

42:52

in , and it's phenomenal that

42:54

we can do this , that we can continually make this

42:56

a little bit better , and maybe it's a part

42:59

of the world that nobody ever will notice

43:01

, except for a handful of nerds on

43:03

Twitter who retweet it . Zero

43:06

retweets , so no retweet . A few

43:08

nerds will like it , like me , but

43:10

it's making the world a little bit better

43:12

in a little bit of an area that Tom cares

43:15

about , and I love that he's doing it , and

43:17

every time I see these it makes me

43:19

feel good it might save us 45

43:22

cents a month or something . Even if it's small

43:24

, it's still an improvement . It's probably

43:26

a lot more than that , but it's an improvement for

43:28

the rest of the time that Buzzsprout's around

43:30

. Everybody will get this incremental

43:32

improvement .

43:33

Well , thanks for the explainer . I understand now and

43:37

it's not as complicated

43:40

as I thought it was . It's

43:42

time for SoundOff , the

43:45

segment where you send in your responses to our podcasting questions . We

43:48

have some fan mail , but

43:50

we had to record this episode

43:52

early , so we actually just had

43:54

the last episode like a few days ago , so we actually just had the last episode like

43:56

a few days ago , so we have

43:58

not had as much fan mail . So if

44:00

you do send in fan mail between

44:03

the time that we're recording and the next episode and

44:05

you don't hear it , that is why and we'll have

44:07

to pick it up on the next episode . But let's

44:10

get things started with a

44:12

message from the United Arab Emirates . I

44:15

have just had a question to Kevin regarding

44:17

the PSP Podcasting Standard

44:19

Project . I haven't seen any progress

44:21

there , especially in the HTML code updates

44:24

for the project description . Is

44:26

there any update there ?

44:27

Thanks , yeah , thanks for the question . Yep

44:29

, love the Podcast Standards Project and all that's

44:31

going on there . Sam Sethi is

44:33

heading up communications for that and I know

44:35

something exciting that he's working on is he's trying to put

44:38

together a like a virtual

44:40

PSP event

44:42

that should take place later this summer . I

44:44

think is what he's shooting for , or maybe in the fall

44:47

, he wants to make it like a live

44:49

event and also record it , probably

44:51

so that you can listen to it at any point

44:54

in the future . I know he's working on that . That'll

44:56

be a big , exciting thing . Also , all

44:58

the companies involved in PSP have been making progress

45:01

. So RSScom , Transistor

45:04

and Pocket Cast have all announced

45:06

support for PodRoll within

45:09

the last week or so . So I think it's done on RSS

45:11

and Transistor . It's coming soon to Pocket Cast and

45:13

Pocket Cast has said that they are going to support

45:15

transcripts . That is coming soon as well , and

45:18

so that is all a part of the

45:20

PSP V1 specification

45:22

that all the people involved agreed

45:25

that we would all support this within this

45:27

year , and so it's happening . It's all moving

45:29

along . Everyone's kind of operating on their

45:31

own timeframe , but the PSP

45:33

is putting parameters around or guideposts

45:36

probably a better way to think about it around how to prioritize

45:38

those things within each organization that's working

45:40

towards those goals . So stuff is happening . I

45:42

know that the communication is

45:45

probably still a little bit slow . Again , nobody's

45:47

like totally in charge of running this

45:49

thing . It's a coalition of people working together

45:51

and so when you have that stuff , sometimes the communication

45:54

gets a little bit fuzzy , like we haven't heard

45:56

anything for a long time . But PSP is not something

45:58

that will move super fast . The super fast

46:00

, exciting , cutting edge stuff

46:02

is all happening in the podcast

46:04

index podcast namespace project . It's in those

46:06

get hubs and there's a lot of talk always going

46:09

on there . They describe themselves as running

46:11

with scissors because they're , you know , they're

46:13

happy to , you know , risk breaking

46:15

things to get the next best great idea

46:17

. Psp is a little bit different in

46:19

that we're trying to figure out what is the stuff

46:21

that they've experimented with that

46:24

seems to be working really well and is stable enough

46:26

to accept as a standard , and so standards

46:29

move a little bit slower . If you're looking for

46:31

the latest and greatest , check out the podcast index

46:33

and the podcasting2.0 namespace project .

46:36

From Woodside , new York . Hey , buzzcast gang

46:38

, I just discovered your subreddit and see

46:40

that it only has 48 members . I'm

46:42

not on Facebook and I was always wondering

46:44

if you had another social community . And , lo and behold

46:47

, the subreddit hath cometh to my

46:49

periphery . Anyway

46:51

, why don't you guys promote it so that you , you

46:53

too , can grow it and become a booming

46:55

social network community ? Well

46:58

, woodside New York , we are promoting it

47:00

. It was at zero and

47:02

we went from zero to now 48

47:04

. That's actually a high score for

47:07

our subreddit . It took multiple

47:09

months . Somebody at one point created

47:11

the Buzzsprout subreddit , who did not work

47:13

here , and then it got banned because

47:16

they weren't moderating it and they were using

47:18

our registered trademark , and

47:20

so for months , jordan and I

47:22

were trying to get it back and

47:24

we got it back and as soon as we did , we

47:27

promoted it in the newsletter , and

47:29

so now we're promoting it . Now , if you want to

47:31

come , hang out with us on Reddit . It's

47:33

our Buzzsprout . We'll put a link in the show

47:35

notes and I've been really enjoying

47:37

it . I

47:40

hop on there early morning and respond to anything that's new . Jordan's

47:42

been on there quite a bit more . I really

47:44

have always loved Reddit . I like it quite

47:46

a bit more than Facebook , but we're

47:49

going to continue using both . And

47:51

if you don't like Facebook and if you're on Reddit

47:53

, come

47:57

on over and hang out with us .

47:57

We'd love for you to join us . Festival Sounds out of Jersey wrote in and said

48:00

you're right . Say not quit on yourself . We

48:02

have only released one episode a month

48:04

for the first six months and we're getting about 100 downloads

48:06

per episode . Now we're at about 1000

48:08

downloads per episode after 12 months and 13

48:10

episodes . So most of our growth is coming

48:12

from our listeners sharing with their friends and family

48:14

. That's our momentum story and I hope it's

48:17

encouraging to others . So thank you , festival

48:19

Sounds . That's really cool . I mean that's phenomenal

48:21

growth .

48:22

Yeah , and I think that's a great example of

48:24

you do not need to be putting

48:26

out two episodes a week in

48:28

order to grow . They're putting out one episode

48:31

a month and that's attainable . That's

48:42

something that anyone can do is one episode a month and that's attainable . That's something that anyone can do is one episode a month , and they just kept doing it and grew that way . So I think that's

48:44

a great example . David Clark of the late bloomer actor says team . I was

48:46

initially very interested in the video upload option to Spotify , but it seems

48:48

apparently they continue not supporting

48:50

the openness of podcasting , in

48:52

that once you have video upload , your

48:55

RSS feed will no longer be accessed , even

48:57

if listeners only listen to the audio version

48:59

. No thanks Spotify . Yeah

49:02

, I think that is a bit of a caveat

49:04

to it , but I mean , if you want your video

49:06

on there and you're willing to accept that , then that's

49:08

okay too .

49:10

Yeah , I'm kind of of the mixed

49:12

minds on this . I mean , I think

49:15

if you're taking the time to

49:17

, there's a lot of work involved with producing

49:19

a video podcast , and if you're taking all the time to

49:21

do that , you probably want to make sure

49:23

it's available in as many places as possible , especially

49:26

if you're getting some traction with your audio version on Spotify

49:28

and you have a chunk of your audience

49:30

there , and so if you're uploading it to YouTube

49:32

, what Spotify is doing isn't really any

49:34

different than YouTube . So if you're not objecting

49:36

to YouTube's how they're approaching video podcasting

49:39

kind of hard to say well , Spotify is worse than YouTube

49:41

. I mean , it's kind of the same thing , and so

49:43

, you're right , I would like it to be more open

49:45

as well . It's not . I

49:48

get it . I do have a little bit of clarity for you , though

49:51

. If you do

49:53

use the replace episode feature

49:55

in Spotify , you're not going to get

49:57

any of those stats reported back to Buzzsprout

49:59

. When you replace it with a video , you are doing

50:02

exactly that . Like they're . They chose the right

50:04

words . You are replacing the audio

50:06

version with a video version , and even if someone

50:08

just listens to the , you know if they toggle

50:10

it . So they're not watching the video . They're just listening to the audio version

50:12

. They're just listening to the audio from the video and

50:15

so it's not getting pulled from Buzzsprout anymore

50:18

. So we're not getting the data back . It won't be reflected . So

50:20

just know , if you do it , you're going to need

50:22

to also check Spotify and add those

50:24

download numbers to the ones that you're seeing in

50:26

Buzzsprout to get your full picture of your audience

50:28

. But yeah , video is a different beast .

50:36

Yeah , that's exactly it . Like this isn't just another reason why video podcasting is such a pain

50:38

in the butt is you now have to . Once you get your stuff

50:40

up on YouTube , then you have to , like , check YouTube

50:42

for the stats , and then , if you do it on Spotify

50:45

, then you have to go on Spotify for the stats because you

50:47

can't get it on Buzzsprout , and it's just .

50:49

Yeah , it's just another reason why

50:51

I'm not doing it and we talked a lot about this in the last

50:53

episode , so if you didn't catch that , go back and listen

50:55

. But yeah , video is kind of different

50:57

, not super easy , and so we

50:59

hate the idea that video would become a roadblock

51:02

for somebody who just wants to create an audio podcast

51:04

. Because audio podcasting is so accessible , it's

51:07

really easy . But at the same time , I don't want to discourage

51:09

anybody . Somebody says , no , video podcast

51:11

is really important to me and that's what I'm passionate about . Well

51:13

then , this is a great new way for you to get

51:15

some distribution on your video show . But

51:17

don't feel like you have to do it . You can have

51:19

a really successful hobby , a career

51:21

. You can achieve a lot of podcasting goals by just doing

51:23

an audio show , and there's nothing wrong with that , it's fantastic

51:26

.

51:26

Somebody in Burbank , california , reached out . It

51:28

would be much better if Spotify sent listeners

51:31

to YouTube video platform . I

51:34

disagree with this . I

51:36

understand where you're coming from , like

51:38

isn't it nice when everything's in one place

51:40

? And I know videos on YouTube , I

51:42

know audios on Spotify , I know

51:44

that hot takes are over

51:46

on Twitter , you know where

51:48

things go . But what

51:50

Spotify is doing is challenging YouTube

51:53

a tiny tiny bit and they're like

51:55

hey , we're going to have some video content , so

51:57

there's a little bit of competition

52:00

and they could just put a

52:02

link so you can go watch on YouTube . But

52:04

they're trying to do something different and they're

52:06

trying to give people a reason to engage

52:08

with Spotify more and

52:11

I think it will only make YouTube better

52:13

. It will only make Spotify better for

52:15

them to have this competition . I'm with

52:17

you , burbank California , that

52:19

I'm gonna watch things on YouTube and I'll listen

52:22

on Spotify . But I am

52:24

happy there's some competition . For the same

52:26

reason , I'm happy that there's

52:28

Instagram shorts and

52:30

YouTube shorts and they're challenging

52:33

TikTok , that it's not just one platform , that

52:35

there are a few different ones all pushing

52:37

each other . I'm glad that Spotify's leaning

52:39

into video a little bit .

52:42

We got a message from Paulette Just

52:44

heard . You read my text and realize you thought

52:46

I was in Louisiana and not Los Angeles

52:49

. Maybe you have a listener named Paulette

52:51

in that state , but this is Paulette in California

52:53

. And yes , Alban is so much taller than expected

52:56

. Met

53:04

him at PME this last March . Paulette , I'm sorry . It's like the punctuation saves

53:06

lives with like the let's eat grandma and let's eat grandma , you know what I mean . Like

53:08

I didn't have like the L dot A dot

53:10

, so I made that mistake . I'm

53:12

so sorry . Punctuation

53:14

would have definitely helped though .

53:20

Lexington , kentucky , wrote in and said hello . I listened to the episode on having video podcasts

53:22

on Spotify and I would like to know how I can set this up for my show that is distributed

53:24

on Buzzsprout Jordan , can you tell them how

53:26

they can log into Spotify ?

53:27

Yeah , I actually just did this

53:29

last week claimed a podcast

53:32

on Spotify while hosted on Buzzsprout

53:34

. So you're just going to go to Spotify for podcasters

53:37

, click sign up and

53:39

they come up with like a few different options . You

53:41

can either say that you have are like starting

53:43

a podcast on Spotify , or you have a

53:45

podcast with Megaphone , or you're hosted somewhere

53:47

else . So you're going to click hosted with somewhere else and

53:50

then they're going to walk you through some steps

53:52

to create your profile and then you can claim your podcast

53:55

and it's that easy . So that

53:57

is all you have to do . It's very quick

53:59

. So if you have any issues with

54:01

claiming your podcast on Spotify or running it , run

54:03

into anything shoot an email

54:05

to our support team and we can help you

54:08

with that .

54:09

And we just got one last night while Kevin

54:11

and I are driving back from the meetup from San

54:13

Diego , California . Hey guys

54:15

and lady , just listened to your podcast

54:18

. Recently I edit and produce a show

54:20

for clients on Buzzsprout . I got familiar

54:22

with using it . Happy podcasting , Chris

54:24

. At Podtastic Audio .

54:26

Awesome .

54:26

I actually looked up Podtastic Audio when

54:29

this came in and 154

54:32

episodes about the podcasting

54:34

industry , and the latest two are

54:36

both friends of the show . Steven

54:38

Robles from Riversidefm

54:40

did an episode doing a deep dive on video

54:43

podcasting , so if you want to learn

54:45

more about that , I'd go recommend

54:47

that episode . And also Steve Stewart , who does

54:49

Podcast Editors Academy often

54:52

a speaker at Podcast Movement did

54:54

a recent episode , so we should drop links

54:56

to those . I think those would probably be pretty good

54:58

listens .

54:59

Yeah , all right . Well , you got a new subscriber

55:02

in me too , because that sounds awesome , all

55:05

right . So last episode we asked

55:07

have you ever lost podcast files

55:09

due to a lack of backup and , if so

55:12

, how did you handle it ? Did we get any responses

55:14

to that , Alban ?

55:15

We didn't get any in fan mail , but

55:18

I did get one over on Twitter

55:20

from Tom Raftery . Tom reached

55:22

out . I think he's in the UK

55:24

so I know he might not want to

55:26

be sending fan mail texts

55:29

, but we do have a UK number now so

55:31

it will be quite a bit cheaper for you , but

55:33

anyway he wrote . Hey , Alban , regarding

55:35

the sound off question , I've been lucky enough to never

55:38

have lost a podcast file . In fact , I

55:40

still have all 55 episodes of

55:42

my pod leaders podcast , which I

55:44

ran from 2005 to

55:46

2007 . And then he sent me

55:48

a screenshot of episode one , an interview

55:50

with Robert Scoble from

55:53

Microsoft from November 2005

55:55

. November 2005 ends

55:57

up being I mean , that's got to

55:59

be , I don't know first 10,000

56:02

podcasts in the world . That's extremely

56:04

early . So four years

56:06

before Buzzsprout launched . Yeah , you beat Kevin

56:09

to the podcasting game . Tom and

56:11

I would actually love to go back and listen to this

56:13

. It's so much fun to dive into

56:15

the history of podcasting and listening

56:17

to . I've listened to some of the

56:19

really early Adam Curry episodes

56:22

. I've listened to some of the

56:24

is it Daily Source Code , kevin

56:26

, is that one of the first shows ? I really

56:28

enjoy listening to these old shows because

56:30

so many of the conventions of podcasting

56:33

that we got to take for granted get invented in those first few years where some of the things from radio

56:35

come over . Some of the conventions of podcasting that we got to take for granted get invented in those first few years

56:37

where some of the things from radio come

56:39

over , some of the things don't , and

56:41

we kind of built up this new podcasting

56:43

thing . So you know , tom , maybe

56:46

send us a link . If this is out there live , maybe

56:48

we could listen to it and share it

56:51

with the rest of the Buzzcast audience .

56:53

So , Alban , do you have a sound off question for our next episode

56:56

?

56:56

Yeah , I want to hear how fast are you listening

56:58

to podcasts ? Tell us why . Are

57:00

you a one Xer like me ? Are

57:08

you somebody who's really getting into it and you're going 0.7 , like one

57:10

or two people that we've heard about ? Or are you at Kevin , listening at three X speed , racing

57:13

through episodes ? And when you tell

57:15

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57:45

. Do

57:51

you see the bags under Alban eyes ? Alban , you look

57:53

like as tired as I feel . It's like 830 here , but

57:55

it's like 1030 there . I don't have bags under my eyes's eyes .

57:56

Alban , you look like as tired as I feel it's like 8 30 here , but it's like 10 30 there . I don't have bags in my eyes

57:58

, I noticed . I just didn't want to say anything it looks like it's me .

58:00

You look dog tired we had a late

58:02

night , you know . We went down , we drove down to orlando

58:05

and orlando's , you know , two

58:07

and a half hours , and it wasn't actually all deep

58:09

in the heart of orlando , it was a little bit closer

58:12

to us . So we drove , drove down

58:14

there , kevin , tom and I , and we

58:16

stay , and this ends at nine . But there's

58:18

people there talking about podcasting , so we

58:20

stick it out till a bit after 10

58:22

, until the last people leave . Then

58:25

we leave and we start driving

58:27

home and just hit , you know , massive traffic

58:29

, and so then we were back at Kevin's

58:32

house by 1230 . And

58:34

then I'm home , well , after one

58:36

, because I've got a bit of a hike

58:38

beyond that .

58:40

Yeah . So when we were driving home last night , we got

58:42

home super late and

58:44

Alban doing this thing , this workout

58:47

routine that he's committed to , that he

58:49

has to do two workouts

58:51

every day . And so I was curious

58:53

because he was , he was doing these um podcast

58:55

meetups last week where he was in DC

58:58

and then Philadelphia and New York , and

59:00

I was asking how did you get two workouts in

59:02

a day when you were on that schedule

59:05

and trying to hit all those meetups ? And

59:07

he was just filling me in and I

59:09

was like well , wait , you have another workout

59:11

to do today then . Right , yeah , Because

59:15

, uh , like he did a workout

59:17

before we left to go to orlando and then we were coming

59:19

home and I thought maybe

59:21

you had to get it done before midnight , like are we

59:23

gonna have to pull off on the side of the road ? And like

59:25

you're gonna have to on

59:28

the highway . What do we

59:30

have to do ? Give him some dumbbells

59:32

in the back seat ? Yeah , um

59:34

, but he clarified for me that he just has

59:36

to do it before he goes to sleep for the night . Yeah

59:38

, that it can actually be after midnight . Then

59:42

this is the best part . I was like so what are you gonna do

59:44

when you get home ? And he's like I'll probably just get on the treadmill

59:46

and you know , and do a walk for 45

59:49

minutes or something , as

59:51

jordan tell me does

59:53

. Walking on a treadmill does that sound like

59:55

a workout ?

59:56

no no , that's exactly what

59:58

I said sounds like you're just , you're staying up

1:00:00

, you're phoning it in 45 minutes after you get

1:00:02

home and you're like watching something on

1:00:04

the tv while you saunter about

1:00:07

right saunter about

1:00:09

.

1:00:09

The challenge isn't to like to get a certain

1:00:11

number of steps for the day .

1:00:12

This , the challenge , is to do two workouts , and

1:00:14

so walking on a treadmill does not qualify

1:00:17

.

1:00:17

Yeah , aren't you supposed to get like your heart rate up ?

1:00:19

This is the workout . This counts .

1:00:21

It does not count .

1:00:22

It's two in the morning , jordan

1:00:25

, you don't want to get your heart rate up .

1:00:27

Well , if you're going to commit , just commit .

1:00:29

All right , I'm on day

1:00:31

74 of

1:00:33

this 75 day workout

1:00:36

program .

1:00:37

part of it is so close

1:00:39

to workout today and so you don't want

1:00:41

one of the last ones to just be . Well , I

1:00:43

actually really just kind of phone that one in and

1:00:45

walk down the trail .

1:00:46

The deal is that you can't , really

1:00:49

you can't lift or run twice

1:00:51

a day for 75 days and not injure

1:00:53

yourself . You will injure yourself yourself . You have

1:00:55

to have some recovery . Oh , so you have to

1:00:57

do some .

1:00:58

I thought you were doing 75 hard . It sounds like

1:01:00

you're doing 75 mediocre it

1:01:02

is 75 hard .

1:01:07

This is like official rules the

1:01:09

official podcast rules 75

1:01:12

squishy . Priscilla

1:01:15

said this to me the other day's like well , you're , oh

1:01:18

, you're almost done with your 75 hardish

1:01:20

or something . And I was like hard it it's

1:01:22

.

1:01:22

I'm doing the real thing , I'm doing super

1:01:25

hard so after I said

1:01:27

this to them , that Alban getting in his car and

1:01:29

he's like you know , I'm gonna not be able to walk

1:01:31

now . I've actually got to do something like

1:01:33

a real workout . So I want to hear what did you

1:01:35

do ? I ?

1:01:38

because kevin is . I'm like it is

1:01:40

a lot , it's part of the program you're

1:01:42

supposed to do . You have to do some recovery

1:01:44

. I've probably haven't done

1:01:46

a walk workout in I don't

1:01:48

know three weeks . I'm lifting

1:01:50

weights every day , I'm running almost every

1:01:52

day and I'm like I can take a walk

1:01:54

. And then kevin's like wow , it just feels like

1:01:57

what a waste , what a a commitment , what a

1:01:59

ruin , and I'm like you're such a jerk that you're

1:02:01

doing this .

1:02:01

You're so lazy .

1:02:04

But one thing I did

1:02:06

learn is that there's some kind of active

1:02:09

recovery you can do for your hamstrings

1:02:11

, where you put your treadmill

1:02:14

into like sled mode and

1:02:16

then you push it in reverse . So you

1:02:18

are like walking

1:02:20

, but backwards , and then pushing the

1:02:22

ground , and it's supposed to be something good for

1:02:24

my hamstrings to recover . So

1:02:27

instead of walking , then I have

1:02:29

to do this thing , which is just

1:02:31

this is what you did .

1:02:32

This is what I did . You walked

1:02:34

backwards .

1:02:35

Uphill . I feel like I

1:02:37

was bullied , honestly , and

1:02:40

this was how I was able to live

1:02:43

with myself . But I was like if my

1:02:45

heart rate gets over 120

1:02:47

or something , then I'm not going to be able to sleep

1:02:49

until three and then I'm going to

1:02:51

ruin the whole day .

1:02:52

Did your heart rate get over like 95

1:02:55

even ?

1:03:07

I cannot believe you did that for 45 minutes . You walked

1:03:09

backwards , pushed the treadmill backwards

1:03:11

for 45 minutes .

1:03:12

I had some PT in there . You pushed the treadmill backwards . I could

1:03:14

walk around a target for 45 minutes .

1:03:15

I had some PT in there .

1:03:16

You pushed the treadmill backwards . I could walk around a target for 45 minutes .

1:03:18

Jordan if you do two 45 target

1:03:20

workouts every day for 75

1:03:22

days . You did it . You did this thing

1:03:25

If you do all the other stupid

1:03:27

legalistic rules .

1:03:28

Oh , I don't need to participate anymore . Then

1:03:30

that's easy Done 75

1:03:33

target hard .

1:03:35

I'll tell you what . I

1:03:38

had , a fleeting thought I didn't share with you last night

1:03:41

, Alban , but I'll share it with you now . Alban parked his car at my house

1:03:43

and we met there and then we drove together and

1:03:45

so we came back to my house and he

1:03:47

had to get in his car and go home and go do his workout

1:03:50

. And I had this fleeting thought of you

1:03:52

know what ? He's committed to this thing . He's

1:03:54

on day like 73 or four . He's

1:03:57

at the end . Maybe I should just say , dude

1:03:59

, let's just go in my garage and I'll do

1:04:01

a workout with you . I have a workout partner to help you

1:04:04

get through it .

1:04:04

I was about . I almost

1:04:07

said I'm walking , but

1:04:09

if you want to go for a run right now , I'll

1:04:11

run with you right now .

1:04:13

I really wanted to be that type of friend for you , and

1:04:15

then I just couldn't do it .

1:04:17

It was 1230 and you go .

1:04:19

Yeah , if you want to do this dumb thing you could do it . I

1:04:21

got this 830 meeting in the morning . My

1:04:23

mind has to be sharp . I just I

1:04:26

want to be that guy for you , but I couldn't

1:04:28

do it , and so I'm disappointed in myself

1:04:30

. Sounds like you're a little disappointed in me for

1:04:32

walking backwards . There's

1:04:36

disappointment all around , but

1:04:38

I am proud of you that you got it in good

1:04:41

work because maybe , maybe I'll do this

1:04:43

.

1:04:43

I don't know , who knows , I could walk yeah

1:04:46

, it doesn't sound that hard you

1:04:49

could just jordan .

1:04:50

There are a lot of other rules . Well

1:04:52

, the first rule is you've

1:04:55

got two workouts a day one . Both

1:04:57

of them have to be 45 minutes . They can't be together

1:04:59

, so , like when kevin and I go

1:05:01

play pickleball for three hours , I also

1:05:03

have to have worked out that morning before

1:05:06

we do that . They have

1:05:08

to be split . One has

1:05:10

to be outside oh and

1:05:12

so if you get stuck where it's

1:05:14

raining and that's the only time to do it , you you're

1:05:16

doing it in the rain . That's the whole point . Has

1:05:19

to be out there in the sun , you're going to have your rocky moment

1:05:21

like your workout montage moment

1:05:23

. All right , that's . That's rule one . Number

1:05:27

two is you've got to be on a diet that you pick

1:05:29

, that you are a hundred percent

1:05:31

compliant with no cheap meals or anything . You

1:05:33

have to drink a gallon of water a day . You

1:05:36

cannot drink alcohol at

1:05:39

all . You

1:05:41

have to read 10 pages of

1:05:44

a nonfiction book a day . What

1:05:46

Every day ? You have to take a photo

1:05:48

of yourself every day to track

1:05:51

your progress , and so now I have

1:05:53

this hidden folder on my iPhone

1:05:56

, which I think are mostly for

1:05:58

like inappropriate photos , but mine

1:06:00

is now like workout like

1:06:02

74 shirtless photos

1:06:04

of myself . I

1:06:11

a few times pulled

1:06:13

up in my phone to

1:06:15

show somebody a photo

1:06:18

and the first thing that happens is it's

1:06:20

a hidden album . But the way it opens

1:06:22

is because it sees your face .

1:06:24

Yeah .

1:06:25

And so I open up my phone .

1:06:26

So you're like holding your phone away from your face , like

1:06:28

trying to open it .

1:06:29

No , I don't think about it . I just opened my phone

1:06:31

and it goes unlock and it's

1:06:33

like it's not one photo of yourself

1:06:35

, it's like a stream

1:06:37

of photos just

1:06:43

like dead face in the mirror there's

1:06:47

no smiling no , you

1:06:50

know what you should do .

1:06:51

At the end of this album you need to take all

1:06:54

of those photos that you've taken of yourself every

1:06:56

day and send them to one of those services

1:06:58

where they can print a flipbook so

1:07:00

you can flip from day one to 75

1:07:03

and see this body transformation . Oh

1:07:05

man , I like that .

1:07:06

Let's do that yeah .

1:07:09

And they can be . We'll put little Buzzsprout logos

1:07:11

on them and we'll hand them out at podcast moment .

1:07:14

I mean I listened to a ton of podcasts

1:07:16

from this thing . Maybe to pull it

1:07:19

back to what this show is actually about , I did listen

1:07:21

to a ton of podcasts . Uh , I

1:07:23

mean , you're spending a lot of time working

1:07:25

out and a lot of it was early

1:07:27

morning by myself . It was really

1:07:30

nice . I got , uh , I listened to a ton of

1:07:32

shows , I found new shows and it

1:07:34

was great did you okay .

1:07:36

so with the I'm stuck on the reading

1:07:38

10 pages thing because I love

1:07:40

that . It's like you're not going to only go

1:07:42

hard on your body , You're also going to go hard on your mind

1:07:45

, kind of thing .

1:07:47

And can you ? Can you listen to audio books

1:07:49

too ?

1:07:49

Like . Is there that kind of like ?

1:07:51

loophole Audio books are . That

1:07:53

is not . There's no loop .

1:07:57

I loophole audio books are . That is not . There's no loop . I read so

1:07:59

many books . I mean , like the idea of reading more is just like so fatiguing

1:08:02

to me .

1:08:02

Yeah , well , you don't have to read 10 additional pages

1:08:04

to what you normally do .

1:08:05

You just have to make sure you get 10 pages in yeah , but it's

1:08:07

gonna be 10 pages of a non-fiction book read

1:08:10

like in a physical format . I don't even think

1:08:12

kindle is allowed .

1:08:13

This is gonna be the same 10 pages

1:08:15

every day .

1:08:16

There's up to be a different 10 pages and if you start

1:08:18

a book you have to finish it . So

1:08:20

if you start a book , that's not good . You've

1:08:22

committed to it , it's a whole . Here's the

1:08:24

thing it's

1:08:31

made by this guy who was drinking a bunch and like playing video games

1:08:33

in his parents basement and doing nothing with his

1:08:36

life and he was like he came up with a bunch of rules for himself and then he did them

1:08:38

and he's a nut . I'm pretty sure the guy's a nut . And

1:08:40

then he made this program and

1:08:42

I always saw it online . I was like , oh , this is dumb

1:08:44

. But at one point somebody said

1:08:46

if you accomplish it , then

1:08:49

for years you'll know like it was very difficult

1:08:51

to do this thing and

1:08:53

I had the discipline to do that . I can handle

1:08:56

whatever blah , blah , blah thing in the future . And

1:08:58

that resonated with me enough that I was like I

1:09:00

will take on the legalism and the stupid

1:09:03

rules just for the purpose of

1:09:05

. I've never done something , I think

1:09:07

, very hard physically in my life and

1:09:09

it'd be good to have one thing . I was like all

1:09:11

right , that was a huge pain for 75

1:09:13

days , but I did it .