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Hello, and welcome along to episode

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three of Call of the Wild,

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the podcast from WWF with

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me, Cel Spellman, great to be with you again,

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friends, where I find out about the threats

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to our planet, and more importantly, how

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we can fight back. In

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today's episode, we're going to be tucking into

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the topic of food. Now, whether it's

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cooked from scratch or a cheeky takeaway,

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food is something that brings us

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all together. And maybe like

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me, you absolutely love

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the stuff. But did you know, a lot

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of our food production is taking away

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from nature. In the time

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it takes to say deforestation,

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a chunk of forest, the size of

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a football pitch is destroyed.

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That's every two seconds every

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single day. Also,

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there's only about half the number of trees

0:52

on the planet today than there were

0:55

when humans first evolved. Up

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to 15 billion trees,

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that's right, billion, not million are

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being cut down every year

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across the world. So in this

1:07

episode, I'm going to be joined by some brilliant

1:09

voices to help me delve into this topic in a little

1:11

bit further. Joining me are

1:13

Tanya Reynolds and Kedar Williams- Stirling

1:16

from the hit Netflix series, Sex

1:18

Education who are talking about the

1:20

efforts they're making to eat more sustainably.

1:23

It started off with like the diet, just

1:25

reevaluating that, kind of figuring out how weird it

1:27

was that I was just kind of eating all these things that

1:29

have repercussions that were bigger than me.

1:31

I'm also going to be chatting to one of WWF's

1:34

deforestation experts, Sabrina Gonçalves

1:36

Krebsbach to find out about the extent of

1:38

the problem and what we can do about it.

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We have control over the food that we put in our plate and

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it's one of the easiest things that we can do as individuals

1:46

to reverse nature laws and climate

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change.

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And along with those brilliant people, I'll

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also be hearing from someone whose home

1:53

is being destroyed to make way for

1:55

the food we eat. It

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might come as a surprise to you, but the biggest

2:01

cause of deforestation is

2:03

food production. And because of

2:05

that, our food system is a

2:07

huge contributor to climate change

2:10

and to nature loss. Lots of

2:12

important and integral tropical rain

2:14

forests and ecosystems are

2:16

being cleared and destroyed to raise

2:18

cattle or make way for specific

2:21

crops like palm oil. Now,

2:23

those are two words I'm sure we've all heard

2:25

thrown around lots, but do we really know

2:27

what it is and the impact it's having?

2:29

Well, let's find out.

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Palm oil is an incredible

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edible vegetable oil extracted

2:37

from the fruits of oil palm trees. Your

2:39

palm oil consumption probably

2:41

begins from the moment you wake up. It

2:44

might be in your toothpaste, toast,

2:47

breakfast cereal, chocolate

2:49

bars, and even baked beans.

2:52

It's most likely in your peanut

2:54

butter. It's used in

2:56

everything from baked goods, sweets

2:58

and snacks, cosmetics, and even biofuels.

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Two types of oil can be produced. Crude

3:05

palm oil comes from squeezing

3:07

the fleshy fruit and palm

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kernel oil, which comes from crushing the

3:11

kernel, the stone in the middle of the fruit.

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Large- scale palm oil production is

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devastating the environment, climate

3:18

and wildlife populations. Why?

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Because vast monocrop oil palm plantations

3:25

have devastated tropical forests

3:27

around Southeast Asia, West

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Africa and Latin America. Around 90%

3:33

of the world's oil palm

3:35

trees are grown on a few islands in Malaysia

3:38

and Indonesia, islands with the most

3:40

biodiverse tropical forests found

3:42

on earth. Iconic

3:44

species have been almost wiped out,

3:47

in particular the orangutan population has

3:50

been severely impacted by the demand

3:52

for palm oil. But there

3:54

is an alternative.

3:57

I mean, I don't know about you, but I

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don't think I realized it's in so

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much. I mean, it's absolutely

4:03

everywhere. What can we do

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to make sure that the food on our plate is

4:08

not linked to deforestation and nature

4:10

destruction? Well, I took

4:12

all my foodie questions to Sabrina

4:14

Gonçalves Krebsbach from WWF-

4:17

UK, who works with companies

4:19

and governments to help ensure that

4:21

the food on our plate is sustainable

4:23

and nature friendly. So my

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first question for Sabrina was what

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is that alternative to palm oil? This is

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something that is in up to 50%

4:32

of packaged supermarket products. It

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feels so difficult to boycott given

4:36

it's everywhere. So would it

4:38

be realistic to do that?

4:40

Boycotting simply is not

4:43

a constructive solution because the problem is

4:45

much more systemic, the entire

4:47

demand for vegetable oils

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and fats, which is linked to the fact that we're eating

4:52

very highly processed foods that need

4:54

those ingredients. And if we simply

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exchange palm oil with other vegetable

4:58

oils, like soybean oil or coconut

5:00

oil or sunflower, rapeseed oil,

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you need to replace it with something, right? And if you

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use some of these other oils that can

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actually worsen the problem, because to

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get that same amount of oil that

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we get from palm oil from other crops would

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require anywhere between four to

5:15

10 times more land.

5:17

Wow.

5:18

Yeah, it's quite a complex issue. So the

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solution is really for companies to start using

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only certified sustainably

5:25

grown palm oil. There's something called the

5:27

Roundtable on Sustainable Palm

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Oil called RSPO, which

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companies can commit to covering all

5:34

of their purchases of palm oil with that.

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So we've touched upon palm oil. What I wanted

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to know, Sabrina, what other food items

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are a major contributing factor to threatening

5:43

our natural world?

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Take an example like the Amazon or the Cerrado, which

5:47

is another really precious ecosystem

5:49

in Brazil. These places are really

5:51

being burned to clear lands to

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then be used to raise livestock

5:56

or to grow crops like soy, for example,

5:58

which is then used to feed animals like chickens

6:01

and pigs here in the UK and elsewhere.

6:03

So that means that the eggs

6:05

or the milk or the butter in our

6:07

breakfast could come from cows,

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which even if they are raised in

6:11

the UK, that can be fed on

6:13

soy, which was grown in these amazing places,

6:15

in places which used to be covered in spectacular

6:18

forests, it's not very easy

6:20

for a consumer to choose sustainable soy

6:22

because that's not something that's visible to them.

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So the action that can be done there is to

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transition towards more plant- based diets.

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And that's really key.

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Got a

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whole list of facts that I bring to

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the table when we're doing our interviews.

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And there's one here, which is pretty mind- blowing.

6:38

It says 75%

6:40

of soy is actually used as feed

6:42

for livestock. So out of all

6:45

the soy production, only 25% of

6:47

it is actually in our food. The rest

6:49

is, well, it technically is still

6:51

in our food, but is used to feed our food

6:53

in a way, which is just mad.

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And I'm guessing this is the point around a lot of these things

6:58

we're talking about. We don't actually probably see

7:00

the full effect of them because they're going elsewhere

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before they've even arrived at us.

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No, absolutely. And it's even less soy

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that's ending up directly in our plate because as you say,

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I think 75% is going

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into feed, but soy is also used in

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other industrial processes or as biofuel.

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So it's about 5% that

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ends up in our plate.

7:19

Oh, wow.

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So as you can see, the vast majority

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of it is either to feed animals or

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use in other industrial processes

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or energy production. It's not

7:29

our tofu or soy burger

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or soy milk. Yeah.

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So let's dig a little bit into, and

7:35

this, of course it's always sad

7:37

when we have to delve into the truth of the situation,

7:39

but it's important. What are the ripple

7:41

effects we've spoken about that happen when

7:44

we're looking at soy production or palm

7:46

oil production or some of the other things you've

7:48

mentioned there?

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Yeah, no soy ends up being a really

7:51

important use of land for farmers

7:53

because it's incredibly profitable and that can really

7:55

incentivize farmers and producers

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to clear more land to rear

7:59

cattle while as well, cultivating

8:02

soil on former pasture land.

8:04

And a lot of the world's most biodiverse

8:06

forests in Malaysia or Indonesia,

8:09

for example, or Papua New Guinea now and are being destroyed

8:12

to make room for more oil palm and

8:14

that's, of course, also destroying the habitat

8:16

of lots of already very vulnerable

8:18

species like the orangutan or the pygmy

8:20

elephant or the Sumatran rhino.

8:23

And of course another important point to

8:25

note is that all this loss of forest

8:28

and conversion of other really carbon-

8:30

rich soils and important ecosystems is

8:32

throwing out millions of tons of greenhouse

8:35

gases into the atmosphere. So it's really

8:37

driving climate change. Every

8:40

time we lose a forest, we're not

8:42

only again, throwing out all those

8:44

greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, but it

8:47

means that that ecosystem will no longer have

8:49

the ability to capture all that carbon that it was

8:51

capturing in this vegetation. Before

8:53

I know that the soil's richer for

8:55

all those roots that are then gone and then you

8:58

start a vicious cycle where you have very

9:00

degraded soils that are being used

9:02

to grow crops, but over time they're becoming

9:04

less and less productive because there's soil

9:07

erosion and degradation. So it's

9:09

a really, really devastating,

9:11

like you say, cycle, and absolutely,

9:14

it's essential that we accelerate

9:16

action to stop that.

9:19

Yeah. It's kind of one thing after another, isn't it? So

9:21

for you, Sabrina, what more can be done

9:23

from governments, from food

9:25

suppliers, supermarkets, et

9:28

cetera, et cetera, to combat the problems

9:30

that we've just talked about there?

9:32

Right. Yeah. So there's a lot more

9:34

that companies and

9:36

governments can be doing for sure.

9:38

Shock.

9:39

Yeah. It's supermarket brands

9:41

and all of their suppliers, they need to take

9:43

much more ambitious action for sure. And

9:46

to make really strong commitments

9:48

and of course deliver on them, not just deforestation,

9:50

but the loss of any natural ecosystem.

9:53

So all land conversion in

9:55

their products. And they do need to understand

9:58

their supply chains and work with all of their suppliers

10:01

all the way up to farmers to be able to achieve

10:03

that.

10:03

And I'm forever saying this on

10:05

the podcast, but money talks and

10:07

the best example of that is suddenly you stop giving

10:10

your money to one of these supermarkets.

10:12

They're soon going to start having to think about why you're

10:14

not giving them their money and how can they go about getting

10:17

your money back. So money talks

10:19

and we do have that voice, absolutely. And

10:21

speaking of us as individuals, Sabrina,

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what are the tips

10:26

and solutions that we can be trying to implement

10:28

in our daily lives?

10:30

We have control over the food that we put on our plate.

10:32

And it's one of the easiest things that we can do as

10:34

individuals to do our part to reverse

10:37

nature laws and climate change. You

10:39

can adopt a more sustainable

10:41

diet by eating really

10:43

a wide variety of sustainable foods,

10:46

more plants and less animals.

10:48

And again, it doesn't necessarily mean going

10:50

vegan overnight and take maybe more of

10:52

a flexitarian diet. And

10:55

if possible, if you can grow any of

10:57

your food or be involved in kind of a community

10:59

garden is always really helpful in understanding

11:02

the impacts of food better. And

11:04

also, food waste is

11:06

a really key thing for all of us to consider-

11:09

Wow.

11:09

... because today we waste about

11:11

a third of the food that we grow globally.

11:13

It's huge. And when you think about all

11:15

the impacts in terms of deforestation and climate

11:17

change, a huge

11:20

amount of that land that is being used to grow

11:22

food is also just completely wasted.

11:24

And so if we just waste less

11:26

as individuals, we could really feed a

11:28

lot more people using exactly the

11:30

same amount of land.

11:33

The brilliant Sabrina Gonçalves Krebsbach

11:35

from WWF- UK. We

11:38

all know how finely balanced these ecosystems

11:40

are and how much one little thing can

11:42

have a massive ripple effect. So

11:44

off that, we're going to be speaking with Sex

11:47

Education's Tanya Reynolds and Kedar

11:49

Williams- Stirling a little bit later on in the episode,

11:51

who have some brilliant tips on how

11:54

they both switched to a more sustainable diet.

11:58

Call of the Wild has reached out to people

12:00

whose lives are being transformed around the

12:02

world. (Lucianage dos Santos Gomes) lives in (Shuazero)

12:07

in the Northeast

12:09

of the Cerrado, which is a tropical

12:11

savanna region, which lies mostly

12:13

in Brazil and is home to 5% of the

12:15

planet's animals and plants. The

12:18

place is amazing. Think a

12:20

Garden of Eden teeming with

12:22

life from wildlife. I mean, we're

12:24

talking over 11,000 species

12:27

of plants and more than 1600

12:29

species of birds, reptiles

12:31

and mammals including the main wolves

12:34

and giant anteaters. The

12:36

Cerrado is the equivalent to the size

12:39

of England, France, Germany,

12:41

Italy, and Spain, all combined.

12:44

But I think it's safe to say it doesn't get

12:46

as much attention as its famous neighbor,

12:48

the Amazon. The Cerrado's

12:50

beautiful land is being taken over

12:52

by agriculture, chopping down

12:55

grasslands and using their natural water

12:57

sources, the very things that keep

12:59

the region alive, all

13:01

this to make way for soy production.

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So here's Lucianage with her

13:06

story.

13:09

(foreign language) . My

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name is Lucianage dos Santos Gomes. I

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am 24 years old and I am the

13:16

president of our Community Association.

13:19

My objective is to always be at the forefront

13:22

of everything and to defend my community

13:25

of the (Gerazedu) people of (Casa Mia) , a

13:28

wonderful place to live and where we get

13:30

our livelihoods from extracting

13:32

the buriti palm, golden grass

13:35

and more plants. Many

13:37

things have happened and are changing

13:39

due to the expansion of agribusiness.

13:42

We are losing our water springs,

13:45

our river, and witnessing

13:47

soil erosions, which are blocking

13:49

the sources of wet lands. Today,

13:52

with the soil expansion, the level

13:55

of the river is very low due

13:57

to artesian wells that are being

13:59

drilled on the farms. Some

14:02

hills are collapsing due to the lack

14:04

of trees and deforestation. We

14:07

are seeking help from the government authorities

14:09

and making formal complaints every

14:11

week, which is a way we found

14:13

to try to get to a solution. But

14:16

I leave my message here with you. I

14:18

live in this very rich place

14:21

where people are destroying its

14:23

own wealth, which is represented

14:25

by the yellow color in our Brazilian

14:28

flag. And they are also responsible

14:30

for destroying all the grain in the country,

14:33

driven by their individual ambition,

14:35

while destroying their own home. Mankind

14:39

is polluting its own way of life

14:42

without caring about the environment

14:44

that feeds and nourishes and

14:46

enables our futures to thrive. I

14:49

thank WWF for inviting me to this

14:51

podcast and for hearing a little

14:53

bit of my story. Thank you. (foreign language)

14:56

.

14:55

And to

15:00

hear that the Cerrado is changing

15:03

at such a drastic and alarming

15:05

rate as Brazil soy production grows

15:08

is devastating. Now

15:10

WWF are working with soy farmers

15:13

and cattle ranchers to eliminate the

15:15

need for deforestation and conversion

15:17

by increasing efficiency and productivity

15:20

on land already in use. But there

15:22

is still so much work to be done and

15:24

safe to say a long way to go. From

15:30

the Cerrado to the UK,

15:32

I had the absolute pleasure of

15:34

sitting down with not one, but two

15:36

very special guests from

15:38

the hit Netflix series, Sex Education,

15:41

Kedar Williams- Stirling, who plays Jackson

15:44

and Tanya Reynolds who plays Lily. They've

15:46

both spoken out about the need to protect

15:49

our planet. And we had such

15:51

a brilliant conversation pointing the world

15:53

right going here, there and everywhere.

15:55

So to kick things off, Tanya

15:58

Reynolds told us about her earliest

16:00

and safe to say interesting

16:02

memories in nature.

16:05

Forever, I've just always been... I've

16:08

loved animals my whole life. My mom,

16:10

when I was little, she would say " Never trust a man

16:12

who doesn't like dogs."

16:13

Never a true word said.

16:14

Yeah, literally. We just always

16:17

have been big animal lovers. And

16:19

when I think of my childhood, it was just all outdoors,

16:22

just in the garden, looking for frogs.

16:25

I had a frog jump on my face once and

16:27

his foot went in my mouth.

16:28

How was that?

16:29

It was alarming. It was alarming, but it

16:31

didn't turn me off of frogs.

16:33

But Kedar, for yourself, and I should say as

16:36

well, I've known Kedar for years. We

16:38

went to school together, so he is one of my

16:40

nearest and dearest. But your relationship

16:42

with the natural world I found has grown tenfold

16:45

because I mean, you're now involved in WWF's

16:47

Youth Ambassador Program. I know we've also

16:50

sat on some panels together, but where

16:52

did your relationship for the natural

16:54

world begin, Kedar?

16:56

I guess as well, like Tanya, there was

16:58

an upbringing around animals, but the

17:00

heritage that I am, there's always been, whenever

17:03

I'd go to the Caribbean, that feeling

17:05

of just wildlife

17:07

and just the terrain of that

17:10

area, just

17:12

really connected something for me. And I

17:14

think the older you get, you kind of come to terms

17:17

with how important that is. It started

17:19

off with like the diet, I think.

17:21

About four or five years ago, I

17:24

was kind of just reevaluating

17:26

things and just looking at habits and just looking at

17:29

the way that I am and the way that things are.

17:32

And then there was, I think I came across by this

17:34

guy called Dr. Sebi, who kind of talks about veganism,

17:38

but just heard about the health benefits from it really.

17:40

And then just reevaluating that, kind of figuring out

17:42

how weird it was that I was just eating

17:44

all these things that weren't necessarily for me,

17:46

and also just had repercussions

17:49

that were bigger than me and that had more

17:51

to do with just the pleasure of that

17:54

moment. And it's just kind of been a journey

17:56

ever since.

17:56

And how have you found it? I mean, having opted

17:59

for say the plant- based diet, difficult,

18:01

easy, how was it

18:03

for you?

18:04

I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed it because the more

18:06

I'm leaning into things that I feel

18:08

are right, the more it feels better.

18:11

When you look at loads of different reasons as to why

18:14

being plant- based is difficult, it's

18:16

not necessarily the person's

18:18

fault. I think you look at tax subsidies,

18:20

when you look at the farmers, you look at the industry, or food,

18:22

I'm talking about people that aren't necessarily,

18:25

I wouldn't say well off, but that well- informed

18:28

and privileged to really. So

18:30

I'm grateful more than anything for the

18:32

space and for the lessons and for the challenges,

18:35

because within them I've

18:37

felt like I've grown tenfold.

18:39

Yeah. But also, as well credit to you because the

18:41

space and the opportunity can present itself, but it

18:43

is ultimately the personal decision to

18:45

act upon it and move into it. What

18:48

about you, Tanya? Have you tried a plant- based

18:50

diet?

18:50

The journey that I'm on, I guess

18:52

is all about doing things gradually because

18:55

when I was a teenager, I decided

18:58

one day to be vegetarian and

19:01

I just made the decision overnight.

19:03

I didn't know how to be a good vegetarian and how to do it properly.

19:06

My diet was really bad. I just wasn't

19:08

eating anything good. I wasn't getting enough protein.

19:11

So I went back and started

19:13

eating meat again. And then

19:16

it was like five years

19:18

ago, maybe, it was a really gradual

19:20

effort. I didn't just overnight

19:22

go, I'm going to stop eating meat. It started

19:25

with pork. I was like, how am I eating

19:27

these guys? Like, I love them. And

19:29

I stopped eating pork and

19:31

then eventually cut out

19:34

chicken. And why

19:36

it's been so successful, why I've been able to continue

19:39

that and cut out things gradually

19:41

and my health has probably never been better

19:44

is because I did it gradually. I didn't just go

19:46

cold turkey overnight. It's been a slow

19:48

process. So I've been able to figure

19:50

out what I

19:52

like and what works for me, what my body

19:54

likes.

19:55

Were you two aware of

19:57

the link between the food that we eat and

19:59

the food that's in our food chain as a whole

20:02

to then the impact it has elsewhere in the environment?

20:04

Or did that develop a little bit later on

20:07

in your journey so to speak?

20:10

Yeah. I think definitely it

20:12

was something that developed later on.

20:14

When I was younger, I wasn't really listening

20:16

and it's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.

20:18

Yeah. Okay, climate change. Okay. And

20:21

I think it's the same with everybody. It's just as you get older,

20:25

your pace of life, it speeds up and then it

20:27

kind of slows or the more things

20:29

that you go through or you experience and that you see,

20:31

just the more that your eyes are open and you're listening,

20:34

you just tune into these things. And

20:36

I would say now for sure, in the last

20:39

five years, my choices always lean

20:41

harder towards how is

20:43

this affecting the world? How

20:45

is this affecting the earth?

20:46

And how about for yourself, Kedar, were

20:50

you always kind of aware of a little bit of a link or

20:52

again, was it a little bit later on for

20:54

you?

20:55

Yeah. I think with age, knowledge grows

20:58

hopefully. And so, yeah, I feel like

21:00

when I was younger, climate change wasn't necessarily a conversation

21:03

I was having as such. I think like

21:05

what Tanya said, it comes from within, and then from then you

21:07

can decide to do whatever. I think you

21:10

have to look at where you live globally.

21:12

I think your diet is

21:15

dependent on that. I think what you decide to do with

21:17

your money is depending on

21:19

how much you earn. So I think

21:22

it's all circumstantial. I think it's all subjective.

21:24

I think it's easy for us to sit here and talk about

21:26

what we think should happen.

21:28

Do you know what I mean? But I think it's so

21:31

tricky saying

21:34

this is the way when every

21:37

single person has their own universe and has their reason for

21:39

living how they live. But I think then it comes down

21:42

to, it's like, you have to kind of detach

21:44

yourself from your own universe and look at the actual

21:47

universe and be like, " Will I go on?"

21:49

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course a

21:51

lot of our listeners are going to know you from the

21:53

hit show that is Sex Education.

21:56

Kedar, I mean, of course you play Jackson, all

21:58

around good guy, head boy, loves

22:00

his swimming, but do you think that sustainable

22:02

food would be important to

22:04

Jackson? Do you think he'd be thinking and be conscious

22:07

of his diet and the food that he's taking?

22:09

I mean, he's a swimmer, isn't he? And they're quite

22:11

stringent what they eat. I

22:14

think his mom's also just quite... Visually it's just

22:16

like what he is. So I

22:18

think, yeah, he's going to be quite conscious. I think

22:20

there's no way that he can live in a house-

22:22

And not...

22:23

... not really... You know what I

22:25

mean? Which is interesting because I think when I

22:27

trained for it, because I had to train for the role,

22:30

my diet changed as well.

22:32

Interesting.

22:33

They were like, " You're too small."

22:34

Yeah.

22:34

Which was again, a journey because for the first

22:37

year I was like, oh, I need to put on

22:39

weight. Like not getting enough protein,

22:41

got to eat fish, da-da-da- da- da. So I

22:44

did that. And then for the second year I

22:46

was just like, this doesn't feel right. There must be a way. And so

22:48

it kind of just led me to alternatives to

22:51

get my protein.

22:52

The second year came around and I saw Kedar and he was

22:54

looking hench. Was like (crosstalk) . Tanya,

23:00

for Lily, someone who definitely isn't

23:02

afraid to speak her mind, I

23:04

could somehow see Lily spearheading

23:07

some big movements, like would be

23:09

front and center possibly at a school

23:11

strike.

23:12

Yeah, I think so. She loves eating,

23:15

does Lil and this season, particularly

23:17

there were so many scenes where I just would be eating

23:20

something. But I think as she gets older, I

23:22

think she's definitely, probably going

23:24

to become a little Greta

23:27

Thunberg type.

23:27

Netflix's very own Greta Thunberg. (crosstalk)

23:30

. As

23:32

we look towards the future, what

23:34

do you think you'll be doing more or is there any more

23:36

you're looking to do over the next

23:38

year and couple of years when it comes to your

23:41

personal choices and looking

23:43

at what we can do to help our planet?

23:45

Well, in our house, we try

23:47

to be very conscious about what we eat and at the

23:49

moment we're trying to eat more

23:51

seasonally.

23:52

Nice.

23:54

Pay more attention to exactly

23:57

where things are from, which

23:59

we do to an extent, like where have

24:01

these blueberries flown from, for example.

24:04

Is there a way to get other closer blueberries?

24:09

Having those (crosstalk) .

24:09

I've got a blueberry bush down at my allotment,

24:12

so I can bring you some fresh blueberries if you want

24:14

some.

24:14

That's amazing. I want an allotment.

24:16

We should get an allotment down south.

24:18

110%.

24:18

I would love an allotment.

24:20

Yeah.

24:21

What about for yourself, Kedar?

24:22

Yeah, I think going off that, my granddad grew

24:24

some food and over lockdown,

24:27

I've always wanted to do it. And so me and Mom actually did it.

24:29

We grew some really good stuff. We grew some round

24:31

courgette. We grew some butternut squash,

24:34

tomato. So really enjoyed that and

24:36

kind of want to continue that this year.

24:38

Well, listen, I think we're going to be starting an

24:40

allotment here. It's going to be the Cel, Tanya and Kedar allotment.

24:42

Fresh produce coming at ya. Final

24:46

part of the question and it's a bit of a deep one,

24:48

but what does bring you hope for the

24:50

future?

24:51

For me, I think the fact that this

24:53

is a conversation that everybody

24:56

seems to be having at the moment.

24:58

Only 10%. I just feel like, this moment

25:00

in time that we're in has really

25:02

sparked something inside

25:05

all of us that was dormant

25:07

before. And so I'm really intrigued to see the

25:10

repercussions of this. So

25:12

this is hope, really. I think it's been quite

25:14

chaotic, but I

25:16

think in the chaos, there's some stillness

25:19

that we've all been able to obtain. So I

25:21

think I'm just hopeful for just whatever

25:23

happens next, because I do think there's a lot that's popped

25:25

off.

25:26

Yeah. And there's a lot to come. I mean, we've really

25:28

got into the important questions, but all the

25:30

listeners listening will I'm

25:32

sure, send me a message if I don't ask, season three,

25:35

can you tell us, is

25:37

it coming? When is it coming? Anything else?

25:40

Two new characters.

25:41

New scandals. I

25:43

don't want to say... We're not allowed to say anything,

25:46

but it will be... I can't wait to see how people

25:48

react to some things. Yeah.

25:52

I feel like it's going to be different because we also shot it in a different

25:54

season.

25:55

Yeah. (crosstalk) .

25:55

Normally we shoot in summer and because of obviously COVID

25:57

we had to shoot it in

25:59

the winter. But no, it

26:01

was interesting because also like, I mean there's a whole storyline

26:04

that happens where just the aesthetic of the

26:06

whole thing changes. So without

26:08

giving too much away, it's definitely a different tone

26:10

this year. So it's going to be exciting to see

26:12

on screen because we haven't seen it yet either.

26:16

Well, there you have it. You heard it

26:18

here first on Call of the Wild. See,

26:21

we cover everything on this podcast. It's

26:23

not just about the environment. Thank

26:25

you so much to the brilliant

26:28

and wonderful Kedar Williams- Stirling

26:30

and Tanya Reynolds from the show Sex Education.

26:33

And remember if you're looking for more tips

26:35

and tricks, there is that brilliant app from

26:37

WWF called My Footprint.

26:39

It's free to download and it's on all the

26:41

app stores. It's just full of ideas

26:44

and how we can reduce our own footprint (inaudible) through.

26:47

Some of my favorite and easiest tips and

26:49

tricks that I can give to you now, as you're listening

26:51

is one, get palm oil savvy.

26:53

We are all aware and I hope you're more aware now

26:56

of the devastating impacts of palm oil. So

26:58

we need to do all we can to find out which products

27:00

have sustainable palm oil in. And

27:03

on the app, there is a great way for you to do that.

27:05

Also, my favorite, growing

27:07

your own veg. You can even just put

27:09

something on your windowsill, but it's so easy

27:11

to do and so good for the soul

27:14

as well and for our environment. And

27:16

we can now hear from you lovely lot about

27:18

all the brilliant things that you're doing at the moment

27:21

to try and be more green and sustainable.

27:23

And you never know, you might hear something

27:25

here that inspires you to go out there and try

27:27

it yourself after you've listened to the episode,

27:29

of course.

27:30

I'm helping our planet by eating a plant- based

27:33

diet. I started by making

27:35

small changes like oat milk instead of dairy

27:37

and I found myself enjoying it so much

27:39

that I ended up switching to completely plant based.

27:42

I found out about the impact that banks can

27:44

have on our climate crisis. After

27:46

doing some research, I swapped my bank

27:49

to an ethical bank and by

27:51

doing so, a tiny change in

27:53

my life has had a big impact on my

27:55

footprint.

27:55

The main step I've taken

27:58

to help our planet over the last

28:00

four months has been becoming vegetarian.

28:02

And this has actually been made a lot easier because

28:04

the main supermarkets are now offering

28:06

these amazing and frankly ridiculous

28:09

vegetarian options like vegan steak.

28:11

And even my favorite takeaway, Nando's now

28:13

offers a really great veggie option.

28:15

So definitely worth a go.

28:17

Friends, you are very much being the change

28:19

you wish to see in the world. And I

28:21

know I'm always that little bit more inspired

28:24

and motivated after I've heard from

28:26

you. So thank you so much for anyone who has gotten

28:28

in touch with Call of the Wild. And remember

28:30

if you haven't, it's very simple to do so.

28:32

If you have got any tips or advice or

28:34

something that you're trying to think, Cel needs to

28:36

know about that, or send us a voice note.

28:39

The address to send it to is callofthewild@ wwf.org.

28:44

uk. So

28:48

there we have it, another episode done

28:50

and dusted. Hopefully you've

28:53

learned some stuff along the way and you're feeling inspired

28:55

to go out there and make a change. Huge

28:58

thank you to Sabrina Gonçalves Krebsbach,

29:01

Tanya Reynolds, Kedar Williams- Stirling, and

29:04

Lucianage dos Santos Gomes

29:06

for their help in digging into the issue

29:08

with me today. In our next episode,

29:10

we're going to be looking at the impact of fast

29:12

fashion on the environment and I'll also

29:14

be joined by Maisie Williams. But if

29:17

you can't wait till then, do

29:19

not worry, there is a bonus episode

29:22

coming your way in two weeks'

29:24

time. It features more of that brilliant

29:26

conversation I had with Tanya and Kedar, other

29:29

stuff that we couldn't fit into this episode. So

29:31

please do check it out. It is well

29:33

worth your time. And if two weeks

29:35

is still too long, then do not worry.

29:37

If you head on over to YouTube, WWF have

29:40

a channel that is chock- full of content about

29:42

the awesome work that they do to combat the very

29:44

issues that we're talking about in

29:47

this series. It's just on the WWF-

29:49

UK YouTube channel. You'll find

29:51

a playlist of a whole load of extra content

29:53

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29:56

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30:03

look forward to joining you next time. Thank

30:05

you.