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checking the fact checking of

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criticism to the Kendrick Drake

7:43

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Center in a serious shooting

8:43

Outside drapes. Toronto Lynch. The.

8:46

Wraps you between Drake and Kendrick

8:48

Lamar's again dominating the internet is

8:50

the battle of the to hip

8:52

hop heavyweights. You can dance. Would

8:55

be the greatest rothys of

8:57

our shows. No signs of

9:00

slowing down the to trading

9:02

increasingly bitter distract some with

9:04

serious allegations. Jan you're trying to

9:06

a musician so I suppose you have. Ah,

9:09

this is in your seem. You been following

9:11

the Drake Kendrick beef pretty closely. I magic.

9:15

Or our I'm less inclined to

9:17

rob and close it, Say Mozart?

9:20

That it's I sort of peripherally looked at

9:22

as. I just know something about

9:24

they were insulting because and size seven

9:26

feet or something which. I

9:28

thought I had time to do that

9:30

and I I just wanna say that.

9:33

The Symphony? Yeah. And.less

9:35

than a black person that tell by

9:37

your tether. But the who? Also

9:39

had a cold in. A. Cage fighting

9:41

for pain of intriguing Less about this.

9:43

What Do you play them? So

9:45

I'd say flute, but I'm also learning.

9:48

Tell. When I don't feel like

9:50

killing anyone, it's it's very interesting. That

9:52

for know I remember Arabs you talking about

9:54

some some competition have you have? You had

9:56

to be flute beef soon? Any any issues

9:58

with other flotus? The athletes are really. Bad

10:00

people. The. Kinda nasty. They

10:03

always wanna you say that their greater

10:05

than you are. So it's kinda like the

10:07

rap world which would have understand this whole drake

10:09

can lamar seen a little bit. we we do

10:11

that in the fleet section. We

10:14

can put it be behind you air and starting.

10:17

Jan Long. I

10:20

should start here with that. You know

10:22

the our Land acknowledgement. Bring.

10:24

Yes, this is a Dad acknowledgement.

10:27

Nobody. Wants to hear my

10:29

takes on the soul. As a

10:31

forty six year old white dad,

10:34

my analysis of the. Drake.

10:36

Kendrick Beef that everybody's doing analysis of,

10:38

the third, like hundreds and hundreds of

10:41

people breaking to stamp. I. Know what is

10:43

yours will be different because you are a forty

10:45

six year old White as so. I think we

10:47

need your voice. I

10:50

agree. You know what is your first?

10:52

I just want to acknowledge by way

10:54

of disclosure and framing. Hear that like

10:56

I want you to imagine that like

10:58

the act of I rolling and cringing

11:00

emits a low frequency toned. It's harmful

11:02

to birds As as if if we

11:04

can imagine that Canadian geese are dropping

11:06

from the skies right now. I know

11:08

that and yet I am going to

11:10

do this and it's gonna be really

11:12

good and people will have to acknowledge

11:14

that. Not only did I get it

11:16

right, but you're going to get analysis

11:18

of this. Rap Battle Hear that is more

11:20

astute and thoughtful and are going to get

11:23

elsewhere. I'm thrown it down again. I try

11:25

to educate you on the Kendrick Drake beef

11:27

and what it means plays. Plays they'll save

11:29

me a lotta time. I. So

11:31

first of all, who are these guys and like

11:33

this question? Who's the Better Rapper?

11:35

Or which is what Beeps traditionally are about?

11:37

As whose number one son? Who's The Better

11:40

Rapper? Kendrick? or Drake? That is an odd

11:42

question to begin with. It's. Kinda like

11:44

who's the better songwriter? Bob Dylan or

11:46

Billy Joel? My. Gonna want to

11:48

him as easy as out. Bob Dylan

11:51

obviously. On the other hand, what a

11:53

weird exercise to compare Bob Dylan with.

11:55

The Rejoice is a completely different thing.

11:57

I mean, so Kendrick is our Bob

11:59

Dylan in this analogy. He is a

12:01

true artist. His. Best work

12:04

has gravitas and depths and the

12:06

won the Pulitzer? Yes! And. Saw

12:08

that didn't even know and tell you know I

12:10

looked them up. The corollaries with all

12:12

of journalism or just going reveal themselves

12:14

one of the time here I mean

12:16

the literary value and also the kind

12:19

of chronicling aspect of Kendrick has been

12:21

recognized. His masterpiece to Pimp a Butterfly.

12:24

It. Had a song on it that became Be

12:26

and some of the Black Lives Matter movement.

12:28

It's not like blowing in the Wind, which

12:30

is not a good Dylan song, but still

12:32

it is. You know if it's a popular

12:34

hit that's also a piece of poetry, but

12:36

the captures the politics and the great seems

12:38

of the moment. And then his next album

12:41

gets the Pulitzer. What Kendrick represents to a

12:43

lot of people. Is. The evolution

12:45

of hip hop as as a literary

12:47

form and but still was route like

12:50

respect and authenticity and a direct line

12:52

from like Tupac Shakur to himself. He's

12:55

got all the bona fides that you would

12:57

need to be respected rapper. You know, he's

12:59

from Compton here. Street credibility it's But he's

13:02

also this critical darling with this real. Literary.

13:05

Huffed. And. Political relevance snuff

13:07

Kendrick out. That and then if you're

13:09

Billy Joel here, Drake who he is

13:11

a pop star, he's He's a hitmaker

13:13

So the best at matter though Yes,

13:16

Are you Canadian? Yes and this

13:18

is this is relevant here. So

13:21

all of my neighbor and you

13:23

want a bridal path to one.

13:25

I live in what real estate

13:27

agents call bridle path as I

13:30

said toss. Your

13:32

adjacent to Conrad Black? Well, Conrad

13:36

Black. Had. To sell. These

13:38

sort of across the street cemetery and he

13:40

had to sell Corzine of many sold for

13:42

and are asked yeah and then he like he

13:44

rented his own house which was a little

13:46

bit at least at Bath. Yeah so Drake

13:49

owns his house the bro passing. yes his

13:51

commercial success is part of the thing but you

13:53

know to give him his do Beyond just saying

13:55

that he's just this big popstar. He.

13:57

Does represent a different. The

14:00

end of evolution of hip hop. He

14:02

made it okay. For. Rappers

14:04

to not be from the streets.

14:07

As. To talk about their emotions, they're always

14:09

there. Sadness or you can email. He

14:11

made it okay to be an outsider

14:14

in different ways. Yes, he's Canadian. He's

14:16

also mixed. He's like a nice Jewish

14:18

boy from force tell. Oh, and he

14:20

owns those things. He. Claims to

14:22

us and Toronto on is. Kiki.

14:25

Put on the map the the Toronto Man

14:27

accept you know which is really this kind

14:29

of like cultural force that is Scarbrough This

14:32

idea of this the kind of multi cultural

14:34

center where all these things intermingle. And.

14:36

That became really important for a lot of

14:38

people. The fact that he became the number

14:40

one rapper even though he didn't have those

14:42

bona fides was really meaningful to mixed people

14:45

are Canadian people with any kind of gets

14:47

it gets spread out were like whether or

14:49

not you're from Canada, most people who listen

14:51

to hip hop or not from that inner

14:53

core of authenticity of hip hop and drake

14:55

him to represent all the different things you

14:57

can be and different kinds of blackness. In.

15:00

Different ways these two

15:02

guys represented. What hip

15:04

hop has become and what it is achieved.

15:07

Previous. To this battle. These.

15:10

Guys were kind of like they're they're

15:12

sort of standard bearers for for maturity.

15:14

Of the of hip hop culture. right?

15:17

Because some of the lyrics that I've

15:19

peripherally heard a Clean and Not Not

15:21

Barrel and Sarah. While you're talking

15:23

about the actual exchange of of

15:25

destroy? Yeah, yeah, and this is

15:27

where things have really degraded. Once

15:30

they started exchanging these insults with

15:32

each other, it devolved very rapidly.

15:34

From can a schoolyard you know

15:36

I'm a better rapper. You know

15:38

you have small seats. So what?

15:41

You're a bad father. still have

15:43

done that And then his father

15:46

let us Let me add a

15:48

massive ah, Ok, well I've about

15:51

father when you're not even the

15:53

real father of your child of

15:55

one. And

16:01

by the way you did your partner

16:03

for hire as many as and as

16:05

a to say is in a busy.

16:08

And then oh I the my Well that's

16:10

better than being a pedophile. That's.

16:17

What I want To start with Jan.

16:20

Is the journalistic.

16:23

Quality that this battle has taken. Like

16:25

here's some actual lyrics the Drake through

16:27

as a kendrick. You. Gotta

16:29

learn to such things and be less

16:31

someplace gotta learn a fancy things in

16:33

some cases. Sounds. Like my

16:35

editor. Of these are

16:38

things that you might save your students.

16:40

Yeah, you're jerk, your dirty school students.

16:42

Drake insults Kendrick sourcing. He says your

16:44

sources are clouds or how did you

16:46

not speaking to the rapes. Was

16:48

just. Where's.

16:51

Your paperwork with. He

16:58

says you gotta stop doing your research on checked. That

17:04

a piano and discover it's it's. It's

17:08

not just about insults, it's about I

17:10

have dirt on you. And. It's

17:12

sort of started back when another rapper

17:14

push the teeth who like keeps files.

17:16

He'll like opposition research on his opponents

17:19

and he he revealed an earlier moment

17:21

that Drake had as unclaimed sign. that

17:23

one that was true. It's it's like

17:25

I'm crisis communications A success Navigator would

17:27

do. So Kendrick

17:29

comes at Drake and says we, you have another

17:32

child, you gotta you gotta daughter. That. You

17:34

haven't played for how a led to say

17:36

yes that's a thought that is adamant about

17:38

the task given and Drake goes ah you

17:41

fell for it. We said you that misinformation

17:43

to see it's and would actually check your

17:45

sources and you didn't reply for. Dot.

17:52

Dot about your name or

17:54

explanation. Incorrect.

18:01

A girl. It's wildly

18:03

entertaining and he

18:05

had has spawned

18:07

a a cottage

18:09

industry of. Analysis.

18:12

Like a lot of these are very deeply

18:14

layered. This is like the names of the

18:16

tracks have four different meanings and is insinuations.

18:18

Isn't this just a marketing now? You could

18:20

look at it that way. and certainly there's

18:22

like one of the many many theories out

18:24

there about this is that these guys have

18:27

kind of peace. And. This

18:29

was a way they can leverage their

18:31

fame to keep their names on everyone's

18:33

lips a little bit longer. I think

18:35

that that theory only go so far

18:37

because it's impossible to imagine that they're

18:39

calling up each other after the some

18:41

sanger. Let's let's coordinator marketing efforts here.

18:43

As you know, it's it's it's really

18:45

ugly. and the Drake stuff is like

18:47

isn't swirling around Drakes camp for years.

18:49

These allegations of you know, sex with

18:51

minors and even sex trafficking and I

18:53

didn't even mention it because it was

18:55

not an and we can ever validate

18:57

the only kind of. Verified aspects of

18:59

it were that like this Drake associate Barca

19:01

had a ah a human trafficking charge against

19:03

him years ago that was dropped. And

19:06

there's like a concert video or Drake his onstage

19:08

with like a young woman and he's. Thing.

19:10

About an appropriate with her but these kind

19:13

of like allegations were swirling around but now

19:15

Drake is acknowledge the accusation from Kendrick and

19:17

and said he of his lazy epstein angle

19:19

that you tuck sleek name. Is

19:23

Anthony. Now.

19:26

That's kind of like on the radar in

19:28

a way that's being examined are getting into

19:30

kind of like allegations of criminal activity so

19:32

I can imagine that's part of like you

19:34

know of any kind of consensual mark marketing

19:37

efforts and of course the certain and then

19:39

we get to the shooting it reminds me

19:41

of like a pizza gate saying were. On

19:43

the one hand, you know news coverage of

19:46

the shooting. A lived

19:48

hundreds fans got. Annoyed that

19:50

Kendrick was even mentioned. You know,

19:52

as as if Kendrick was somehow

19:54

responsible. This is Muslim. Put

19:56

said bridle path. Aerial

19:59

shots. On the cover

20:01

of whatever he just released right? So

20:03

he was like, here's a map. And

20:06

Lumper's defense. You. Can

20:08

find on Drakes Has. Easily.

20:10

And he opens his doors to architectural.

20:13

Digest in Toronto. Life cells

20:15

no privacy. See, I thought I was

20:17

going to teach you something. I can teach

20:19

you nothing that's that's exactly recess. So yeah

20:21

he to use the kind of the over

20:23

had shot and draco some a big deal

20:25

like I publicized my house but Kendrick put

20:28

this these icons on the house which are

20:30

the kind of signifiers the police use on

20:32

like sex offender maps. That. Went right

20:34

over my head until I retire

20:36

and sincere three parts later, Yeah.

20:39

So I think it's that one of these

20:41

things where I don't think there's any reason

20:43

at this point to be the Kendrick have

20:45

any direct involvement with the shooting and and

20:47

there was no other earlier this week in

20:49

the middle the night a security guard was

20:52

shot in front of drinks mentioned in a

20:54

drive by. Non life threatening but serious injuries

20:56

district me more is likely like a pizza.

20:58

good thing where you know if you've got.

21:00

Millions. Maybe even hundreds of

21:02

millions of people getting very emotionally

21:05

involved in this very ugly, bitter

21:07

conflict. All you need is like

21:09

one person who's unhinged to begin

21:11

with to be like I'm going

21:13

to do something about this. It's.

21:16

More of a modern phenomenon where.

21:18

On. Vitriol get so

21:21

heated and is so widely

21:23

dispersed that people. Basically.

21:26

Radicalised themselves, Doesn't

21:28

have to be the remember of an

21:30

organisation systems thing as. I. Walked

21:33

over there tested. Such as does your producer

21:35

told me how it's gonna be too lazy

21:37

fighting Get off my baton actually works. I

21:39

walked over there as you did field reporting.

21:41

You did field reporting for the segment. Last

21:43

been a long time I walked over it

21:45

and I'm the only one on the sidewalk

21:48

as know an essay. Walks in the

21:50

bridle path right and I talked to the

21:52

media to they had nobody to talk to.

21:57

Strange neighborhood. It's a neighborhood where

21:59

every but. The has really high fences

22:01

and drake fences or twice the height of

22:03

everyone else is any grows his bushes on

22:05

top of the toll A spends. That's what

22:07

I said. most intriguing to the only way

22:09

to trim those bushes is to get it.

22:12

A crane or cherry picker

22:14

so as ostentatious, Sensible thing

22:16

or what I found out was that.

22:18

The night of the shooting. There.

22:20

Was a young guy in a car. Outside

22:23

Drakes house. Blasting his sound

22:25

system at Drakes has cause he's at

22:28

he's a writer. he wants to get

22:30

same as a month straight to notice

22:32

him until he was blasting this and

22:34

night and I think somebody told him

22:36

to be quiet cause some in the

22:38

neighborhood said can you please shut up

22:40

and so he turned off the music.

22:43

he moved his car but he he

22:45

didn't leave he just sat there outside.

22:47

Drakes House. And he saw the

22:49

shooting. Saying. This

22:53

is Ben Stiller you got. So there was

22:55

an aspiring rapper yes who wanted to be

22:57

discovered by Drake. You wanted to Drake affect

22:59

you want to drag to to to sign

23:01

him on and because he was there in

23:03

Israel notice way he actually was an eyewitness

23:05

to the shooting. There. Is this like

23:08

breaking news has been reported? Yeah. Well.

23:10

The Star reported he wouldn't give his name, but I

23:12

said he said he talked to the police. Okay,

23:15

Reuters photographer told me this chair there was

23:17

a rightists and then I went back and

23:19

I checked it right. Tests I am at

23:21

that cetera. So. I checked it and

23:23

this guy who. Didn't. Give his

23:26

name, has talked. To The Police. Said.

23:28

He heard the shots, he was freaked out

23:30

and then he saw this car. In a

23:32

Whiz by. He didn't say

23:34

whether them. It was a drive by shooting

23:36

or whether they're sooner Had gotten out of the car

23:38

but he said he heard the shots. And.

23:41

Then he said in the car, drive north to

23:43

that's the only way to get out of the

23:45

bridle path. It's is funny little enclave

23:47

a half. And it's called

23:49

the Bridle Path if you want more said the

23:51

and because Eighty Taylor is have a horse farm

23:53

that that. Nobody

23:55

else listening to this knows who Eighty Taylor

23:58

is. I can't move right on ice. Happy

24:00

taylor to be to be worked into the

24:02

next distract. Well

24:04

done Jan I. I

24:07

guess I want to like leave. This is by

24:09

saying like a lot of people are enjoying. This.

24:13

Battle. It's exciting waiting for the

24:15

next one to come out and

24:17

parsing. It's ah. I think

24:19

ultimately this is really sad Adrian lead

24:21

in the globe road in the be

24:24

between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. No one's

24:26

a winner. I agree with this because

24:28

like. As delicious as it is

24:31

to take your side and pick your favorite

24:33

and do and research the stuff and and

24:35

consume all the media about it. These are

24:37

two really excellent people who have accomplished quite

24:39

a bit and mean a lot to a

24:42

lot of people, just degrading each other. With.

24:44

Everything they can just trying to destroy

24:46

each other with the most vicious personal

24:49

insults. And I don't really care that

24:51

much about each of them. I mean

24:53

whatever I yell Team Kendrick of as

24:55

a raps and but oh you are

24:58

hundreds great like there's no question but.

25:00

There are these racial overtones, two and one of the

25:03

things that kendrick so. Insults. To

25:05

Drake has kind of achieved as

25:07

like whatever permission you had. From.

25:09

Hip Hop to be you. I'm.

25:12

Revoking it, And. One of the

25:14

tracks is called not Like Us All any

25:16

sort of like playing this card of like

25:18

know you're not authentic and you don't have

25:20

permission to use the N word because the

25:23

implication being you're not really blocked out that

25:25

bad. It's regressive that felt that there was

25:27

room for a complicated figure like Drake or

25:29

just a different like somebody who reflected a

25:31

different kind of blackness and he sourcing. Ah,

25:34

we're done. We don't trust you. You're not

25:36

like us and Kendrick is brutal and he's

25:38

very funny and he actually mimics the Toronto

25:40

accent. If what you're watching, one of your

25:43

wrap. Heroes make fun of the way you

25:45

talk in a way that like before all

25:47

of this the way you talk was actually

25:49

like not only okay but accepted. You know

25:52

that the very specific Toronto slang, what's. Wrong

25:54

with trying Now I don't understand how that even

25:56

med center and when he. Speaks terminal

25:59

accent. Does a pretty good

26:01

job of semi it. she's in fab. Do this

26:03

right now And a camera crowded. Why?

26:05

To understand him says taillights

26:07

put. One up for this her on our team.

26:10

I can understand. Any of this rap stuff

26:12

I need subtitles. That's what we do. An

26:14

opera. You'll find it on tic toc. Oh

26:16

okay, sorry I don't really watch wrap on

26:18

and picked up closed captioning on tic tacs.

26:21

it's also sat on the other end of

26:23

it. If Kendrick meant something to you in

26:25

terms of like you know like like drugs

26:27

going after Kendrick as a fake activists whenever

26:29

he meant to the Black Lives Matter movement,

26:31

snow telling him down and and reminding people

26:34

have like domestic abuse stuff is it matter

26:36

to you that that Kendrick was somebody to

26:38

be respected in this is degrading to you

26:40

to you know like is it like everyone's

26:42

getting hurt here is is gonna say that

26:44

you're. Getting all upset because you're

26:46

really into this. That. I would

26:49

say a lotta people would just be

26:51

on the periphery and it's okay. You

26:53

know, this is no such thing as

26:55

bad publicity. Now I know Will

26:57

Lamar as I didn't even know. Please

26:59

listen I that he won a pulitzer

27:01

when the I miss the Ss So

27:03

I think you are. Feeling bad

27:06

because. You. Care about rap

27:08

at For people who don't care about

27:10

rat, it's a good thing because now

27:12

we've heard of them. right?

27:14

I guess so says they've

27:16

got real mainstream. Like and I

27:18

mean not just. That. Demographic: Mainstream

27:20

but people who don't pay any

27:22

attention now. Are paying attention

27:25

so I think it's okay I didn't.

27:27

They will survive. In. The

27:29

Dutch. Settlers. Many yes, I

27:31

think it'll be okay. I'll say this about

27:33

it and I'll flip what you just said

27:36

because it had. You're right. If you have

27:38

no emotional investment in this work, it's it's

27:40

just entertainment. But there. there's a large demographic

27:42

of people who don't follow the news, and

27:45

we know that people age into news readership

27:47

in their thirties and maybe they'd been spared

27:49

a lot of them. From like this point

27:51

to this of climate where there's like you

27:54

know, conflicts that you must take a side

27:56

on, you have, the neutrality is not an

27:58

option that point and. Now

28:00

like just another. Major.

28:03

Point of division and acrimony were

28:05

like there is no. There's. No

28:07

choice to sit it out like you are on

28:09

one team or the other and and be must

28:11

take a side and that's that's sort of reflects

28:13

and ugliness of the moment. To. Genders:

28:17

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starting Daniels Hillis testifying. Athletes.

31:01

On. How means ss? Any

31:04

are quite what I want to

31:06

say. that's army Daniel says says

31:08

one or that to ah people

31:11

involved in this trump or that

31:13

that is not apologetic. And.

31:15

That is not really traumatized.

31:18

So. Mentioned a little bit of chama.

31:20

Now she's a woman. Who.

31:22

Called and invited to have dinner

31:25

with him after some some golf

31:27

tournaments and she went to his.

31:29

Room and I think he was waiting

31:32

until half your pajamas the you know,

31:34

silk pajamas and she said. Why oh

31:36

why of borrowing? He'll have nurse

31:38

pajamas I see embarrass him. so

31:40

any change Anyway, So. That

31:43

he was going to have dinner with him and

31:45

he wanted have sex with her. The. Reason

31:47

she's a witness and this is over the

31:49

case. Where. He's been charged

31:52

with falsifying. Business documents as

31:54

a very dry case. As

31:56

falsifying yet. To affect

31:58

the outcome of an election that were

32:00

dry legal case and the reason she

32:02

came on as a witness is because

32:05

he's deny that he had sex with

32:07

her. And so they called her

32:09

to testify. And but I Loved. Ones.

32:12

She is so strong and and she was

32:14

so relaxed about a cushy is a porn.

32:16

Star Man. I love

32:18

is that she just owns everything

32:20

and she talked about. What

32:23

position they talk? In Saxon

32:25

that he didn't wear a condom in. This

32:27

really ticked off the judge. The judge has

32:29

been very placid for most of it except

32:32

getting mad at Trump in over. For.

32:34

Violating his gag order about. Trashing

32:36

witnesses. He's allowed to do that. But

32:39

I thought that interesting that the only person

32:41

and judges gotten mad at so far as

32:43

this. Woman: Because she

32:45

is unapologetic. And. She's strong

32:47

and she's not embarrassed to talk about

32:50

sex. She did say when she was

32:52

lying there. She. Put a blanket

32:54

and thought, what am I doing here. And

32:57

and she just wonderful details like he

32:59

told her she reminded trump of his.

33:01

Daughter. She wasn't

33:03

allowed to top it about his genitalium,

33:05

but she talked about everything else and

33:07

I like it because. See to

33:10

me as the next level. Of

33:12

what's going to happen in the courts. When

33:15

we get survivors. Coming. She

33:17

doesn't call yourself a survivor. She's isn't feel

33:19

like she's Savannah he. this is her business

33:21

and I love it because she's a great

33:23

role model. You know she just comes

33:26

in. she looks great and she doesn't care.

33:28

What? You think of her, you, you've got me

33:30

thinking. Who said. She. Sort of

33:32

like switched up a dynamic were ago.

33:34

Trump is shameless. And. The response

33:36

that people often have been the dynamic recruits

33:38

is that people are. Ashamed Or

33:41

they're saying you should be ashamed Or

33:43

their traumatized are there somehow reacting to

33:45

him? And the kind

33:47

of perfect antidote to trump is

33:49

this mirror reflection of somebody who

33:51

is equally seamless. But you know,

33:53

not a monster. This. Is a

33:55

watershed moment. In. Women's. At

33:58

testifying in court. About.

34:01

Such. Things. And. You're right, He's.

34:03

Been same less than everybody else. Feels bad.

34:05

Around him get with a very short

34:07

sex encounter in that I reminded Trump

34:10

of his daughter Julia. Grossly.

34:12

Noted I want to Do Li node an

34:14

essay by my favorite assist, Zadie Smith in

34:16

The New Yorker. I just

34:18

struggled since this thing began

34:20

to use my words in

34:23

the kind of precise. And

34:25

focus way the Zadie Smith does in

34:28

this essay war in Gaza. Shibboleths on

34:30

campus and and she articulate something that.

34:33

I've struggled to get my head

34:35

around to get my words around,

34:37

which is the breakdown of descriptive

34:39

language from something that we used

34:42

to think and understand. To.

34:45

Just a symbolic value of concepts and

34:47

isms becoming labels that we used to

34:49

dehumanize each other or just located in

34:51

identify each others' friend or foe. I

34:53

won't even go on because the point

34:55

of this is that she does the

34:57

job. Check. It out. It's.

34:59

As a D. Smith a say in the New

35:01

Yorker War in Gaza, shibboleths on campus. Worth.

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36:12

from Justice Nothing has a of After

36:14

hearing testimony from past and present politicians

36:16

alongside the country's national security apparatus on

36:19

a ledge attempts by foreign governments to

36:21

influence Canadian Alexa. The Federal government

36:23

has table legislation that would have modernize

36:25

how can it A spy agency collects

36:27

and Sears intelligent. Some of these acts

36:30

up is established. White voters remain on

36:32

the suspects. Are. As

36:34

same on our electoral process and

36:36

then sacks of the process leading

36:38

up to the actual vote for

36:40

German inquiry than our prime minister

36:42

assured us was was not needed

36:44

at all. And

36:47

later conceded is needed was needed is

36:49

now out the first in a report

36:51

from the foreign interference and greed. And.

36:54

What is it? It's almost a two hundred

36:56

page report. So I go to the Golden

36:59

Mail. Were a lot of the original reporting.

37:01

Was. Published and they have amassed an

37:03

editorial. Telling me that this

37:06

is essentially this report contains nothing

37:08

short of like a validation. Of

37:10

the core substance of the reporting from the

37:12

start. Specifically.

37:15

They. Accuse. Trudeau.

37:18

And I guess David Johnston

37:20

who was appointed Special Rapporteur.

37:23

Of a cover up. The. Congratulate themselves,

37:25

the media and their sources. Those

37:28

who bravely chose to expose Beijing's

37:30

efforts by leaking classified information so

37:33

a a A victory lap as

37:35

proclaimed. In. The pages of

37:37

of of Male by The Globe and Mail. Others

37:40

not so sure. Bruce. Lives

37:42

he we published a contrary opinion and opinion.

37:44

The Ice on Interesting at in agree with

37:46

him. I thought it was an interesting and

37:48

well argued opinion that he also published in

37:50

the Breach. That. This entire thing

37:53

was ginned up by the medium. That.

37:55

Sort of consistent with what Trudeau was saying. That.

37:57

Foreign interference is always kind of around and. Nothing

38:00

special and the idea that our

38:02

democracy or the election itself as

38:04

compromise was basically a media fabrication.

38:06

Bruce lives the tweeting it's here

38:09

is an effing I told you

38:11

So I wrote a lengthy critique

38:13

of the crap media reporting on

38:15

the so called foreign interference schedule

38:17

for the breach and originally for

38:19

Canada Land. The inquiries new report

38:22

says I was right. Was.

38:24

He writes. Ten. Or

38:27

is the global mail right? Does the

38:29

employee? Validates. And

38:31

confirm. The. Reporting from The

38:34

Global Mail and from Global News. Or.

38:37

Does. It validates the Prime minister and Bruce lives

38:39

the and others who said that this is nothing

38:41

burger. Has routes. I

38:44

don't know if we knew exactly

38:46

what pseudo knew that, it certainly

38:48

wasn't interested sweet the center, the

38:50

carpet. and he certainly doesn't look

38:52

too good for hiring his pal

38:54

to do the first. Report.

38:57

Which wasted a lot of time. I

38:59

don't know. I don't want to. Go

39:02

on the record saying I support the Globe and Mail.

39:05

Ah, That

39:07

you know I I think.

39:10

It's really interesting that they've

39:12

got a real commissioner a

39:14

real interest. On. The case

39:17

now and it's very serious. So the that

39:19

who is. Right in hell is wrong is

39:21

not as interesting as to me as the

39:23

fact that there is gonna be a foreign.

39:26

Agent registry now is gonna

39:28

be penalties. That he says

39:30

is going to be less restricted and

39:32

so it can warn before they couldn't

39:35

warren some other people that were being

39:37

targeted by the Chinese or the Indian

39:39

government or the Pakistani. Government. This

39:42

is all really good. We're

39:44

finally. Getting into the twentieth

39:46

century. In. L a little late

39:48

about were finally. posting. It

39:50

more seriously whether it will do any

39:52

good or not or whether they will

39:54

release signed. This new move

39:56

to a foreign agent registry. That's

39:58

the next step. I think it

40:00

is very good that movies as a whole

40:02

has. Come out with this report and it's is

40:05

the first have to report. She just wanted to

40:07

get a quick went out. And. Then she's

40:09

gonna come out with their second rate of more

40:11

detailed report. It's like a more detailed report that

40:13

is gonna get into those who knew what and

40:15

when and what did they do a buzz Yeah

40:17

to me this is very clear in terms of

40:20

who wins this before journalism wins and as taking

40:22

the fact that specific allegations made or insinuating in

40:24

the in the reporting on still are contested and

40:26

some of them have not necessarily been proven one

40:28

way or the other. But if the question was.

40:31

As. Trudeau originally argued

40:33

that foreign interference is the fact of

40:35

life. It's not great, but it's no

40:37

big deal and it didn't influence anything

40:40

really. and it doesn't really require further

40:42

inquiry. And the media reports are wrong.

40:44

And I you know for this Prime

40:46

Minister who likes to say all kinds

40:48

of nice things about the need for

40:51

the premise. I do not forget that

40:53

every major scandal that's been reported his

40:55

initial response has been to say fake

40:57

news from didn't say those words but

40:59

that's what he says is this is

41:01

wrong answer. To and then people

41:04

for leasing stars and younger laser

41:06

set because nothing has been that.

41:08

That's. Why? the only thing? And thank God we

41:10

had journalists. And do all the

41:12

hard work and add media organizations that

41:14

have to hire all the lawyers tend

41:16

that old as and spent all his

41:18

time and money. Thank god we still

41:21

have that even though the media. Industries

41:23

are in so much trouble because this is

41:25

all due to the reporting of those journalists.

41:27

All of this is due to Journalists and

41:29

Know send. Cooper was on the Can land

41:31

many months ago saying we need a registry

41:34

that smooth is that my reporting is is

41:36

shown as nothing else as we need a

41:38

registry. So who's right? That was right, It

41:40

was right that this is is this is

41:43

real and I think it's only if you

41:45

are searching the report for vindication. You can

41:47

find things like okay, it's based on what

41:49

I've seen in. I have no reason to

41:51

believe. That people were not acting in good

41:54

faith. Given. What I've seen so

41:56

far. But. Hold also

41:58

says. That. Trudeau

42:01

knew about this. Hand on yes

42:03

you. Want to know? He.

42:05

Had to. Now he knew about the hand on

42:08

your shoe and when he knew and decided one

42:10

not going to revoke the nomination because you know

42:12

democracy has installed and even those a razor

42:14

thin margin he said he was gonna look into

42:16

it later and I think she said something to

42:19

the effect of. I have no

42:21

reason to believe that he did more layers

42:23

too late. For. How to explain

42:25

who handle as and what

42:28

happened? That's Don Valley North

42:30

Riding. that said Liberal stronghold.

42:32

So whoever gets the nomination

42:34

will win the seat in

42:37

parliament. And what handle dead?

42:39

Was. His bustin' All

42:42

these students Chinese mainland students

42:44

on visas. So. We have

42:47

is really weird. A loophole,

42:49

In our electoral system where

42:52

you can nominate. Somebody.

42:54

To be the candidates, even if. You're.

42:56

Not a citizen and even if you have no

42:58

right to vote. And so that's what they did.

43:00

That Chinese. Government again

43:03

wanted handle and parliament and so

43:05

I don't know who he beat

43:07

out but it with a razor

43:09

thin margin and that chinese government

43:11

got hand only and flu or

43:13

deny this but he was excessive

43:15

talking to the chinese. Embassy during.

43:17

The Two: Michael's I think. Yeah.

43:19

And that's still a hotly contested point. And just

43:21

to kind of clarify what you're saying, you initially

43:23

said Han Dong bust in the students I and

43:26

then you said later that the People's Republic of

43:28

China did. I don't think we know conclusively that

43:30

either of them did it. I don't think Han

43:32

Dong bust them in. A it does

43:34

seem like hand on are worth as it

43:36

came out through this process was aware of

43:39

as he suddenly remembered and I believe that

43:41

what the report found is that there is

43:43

very strong indication. Of Chinese government

43:46

involvement in that it has to be.

43:48

I. Mean, I know you're being very careful so

43:50

that we don't get sued, but as has

43:52

to be, and I've I've covered this kind

43:54

of stuff way back when our the A

43:56

Chalice running. For. Sensei. And

43:59

down. And. I was interested in it.

44:01

I wrote in a Globe and Mail. And

44:03

at the time I interviewed. The

44:06

man in charge of bringing. In. All the

44:08

seniors so. I think

44:10

it whether a hand on or the

44:12

Chinese government said it. Is.

44:15

Just splitting hairs. Why wouldn't I want to know

44:17

all of this? I want to know like because

44:20

some. Your. Username: It's only

44:22

if you. Asserts through

44:24

the most stringent lens cause you're

44:26

trying to. it's exculpate. Like is

44:28

the purpose of the inquiry to

44:30

determine whether or not we would

44:33

have a different prime minister. Okay,

44:35

If that's your standard, know we would still

44:37

have Trudeau is a Prime Minister with or

44:39

without the Chinese interference. but. It. Is

44:42

not trivial. Know like

44:44

to see said it's a stain on

44:46

our electoral system and will discourage people

44:48

from participating. In democracy if they know

44:50

it's ribs. There's. That. Sucks

44:53

so that's one aspect that she comes down

44:55

quite hard on. His is the up The

44:57

public's trust in our democratic system is. the

44:59

ecosystem is is is one important parts, but

45:01

it's a very direct thing here. That.

45:04

Is it is not like a trivial

45:06

job member of parliament. And as you

45:08

said, if you are a foreign states

45:10

that wants to install your own preferred

45:12

candidate as a member of parliament and

45:14

you can do that by finding a

45:16

writing where the liberals are going to

45:18

win no matter who the nominee is

45:20

and the nomination process is totally ridiculous

45:22

where you don't even to business. Yeah,

45:24

you can get your person to be

45:26

a member of parliament and a disaster

45:29

so far. That is where the evidence

45:31

is leading and we're going to see

45:33

if we actually. Get to the conflict is

45:35

it was he didn't win by much and

45:37

and question of like Trudeau knowing that and

45:39

not doing anything is a serious matter as

45:41

it's it's very serious. And you know the

45:43

Toronto Star rating on the says like well

45:45

the Liberals have learned their lesson. There's gonna

45:47

be a registry now in. there are other

45:49

measures they're taking. I don't understand tendencies eight

45:51

in journalism to be like let's. Let's

45:53

just move on. Okay, one of. On.

45:55

Dec a harder let's keep lowering like

45:57

like were onto something Here we're on.

46:00

Had a the only one. right?

46:02

We know this in journalism. Is he a

46:05

find? is a case. Somewhere. Is

46:07

gonna be more and we need to

46:09

change this whole idea of who can

46:11

nominate a candidate. The. I

46:13

mean, it's. Terrible. But the

46:16

same thing is happening south of the border,

46:18

right with Russia. They've got

46:20

members of Congress in their pocket. I mean,

46:23

And they have laws in place. So

46:25

when we have these new laws and

46:27

this new registry and his punishment is

46:29

not going to end the problem were

46:32

still than. Any journalists. Digging.

46:34

Dirt. Twenty. Four Seven, I

46:36

agree and I am looking forward

46:39

to to the next reports though

46:41

I gotta say, Is only

46:43

going to be people like us like. Trudeau

46:46

started with these things of like.

46:49

The. The day that the news is

46:51

hardest and most damaging to just denies

46:53

the news. Like which

46:55

kind of sensitive as well he

46:57

denied it you know, such as

46:59

a he said she said and

47:01

then some months or years later

47:03

we find out that he was

47:05

hanging to some ridiculous semantic interpretation

47:07

in order to deny the news

47:09

story like some some karma or

47:11

he he can quibble with and

47:13

Pope said the public loses interest

47:15

that you see in his. Popularity

47:17

in the poll ratings. That

47:20

is taking a toll. Says

47:22

credibility has been severely eroded.

47:25

Said there is not no

47:27

prize. I think that has nothing to do with

47:29

this in as just gotta do the state of the country. Do

47:31

people care about us and see Laughlin and and

47:33

I think that with is denying the story but

47:36

surely will cerebral that turn out to be very

47:38

true? Do people care that foreign interference he be

47:40

suited away as a big nothing and it turns

47:42

out to actually like his own member of parliament

47:44

may been installed by the Chinese government's I don't

47:46

know, I don't know. I think that people. Don't

47:48

remember Level and lead charity.

47:51

But. It's cumulative. I get the feeling that can't

47:54

remember why they don't like him. But.

47:56

It sounds like I think

47:58

that's why. James. What would

48:00

it take? What would be a scandal that

48:02

you think like people would be, okay, that's

48:05

not cool. What's the Justin Trudeau scandal that

48:07

would stick? I don't know.

48:09

Because these are all really big scandals.

48:12

And it's kind of like in the

48:14

US, you know, what more can Trump

48:17

do? Like, but he's still the Republican nominee.

48:19

I'm not comparing Trump and Trudeau. But

48:22

we're like, you know, the frogs in the

48:24

water, when it's getting hotter and hotter, and

48:26

we're not jumping out. I think we're all

48:28

getting in yard but it's going to be

48:30

interesting. There has to be an election next

48:32

year, I think that's the deadline. And

48:35

I think it's going to show. I

48:37

think if the economy was doing fine, none of this would

48:39

matter. And he would be reelected. He's going to go for

48:41

other reasons. Jan,

48:47

that shortcuts. It was such

48:49

a pleasure. Thank you. It was so

48:51

much fun. Thanks. Before I say anything

48:53

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