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Reconciliation of hard work. This

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project is literally economic reconciliation for for

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to know what nobody said the truth

4:53

and reconciliation was really easy task. I.

4:55

See. Day Summit in Winnipeg this week

4:57

or hear from Indigenous leaders across the

4:59

country. Hundred for a. Second

5:03

day holiday season just.

5:05

As few as many disciplines as

5:07

today's First nations as another from.

5:10

The trial for a self declared

5:12

serial killer continues in the When

5:14

a Pig courtroom. And again

5:16

and then a quote from you

5:18

directly because he wrote not Bed

5:20

in the Globe and Mail this

5:23

Monday. and you say in Winnipeg,

5:25

the outcome of more than a

5:27

hundred and fifty brutal but also

5:29

inspiring years of indigenous inconvenient relationships

5:31

are constantly playing out and simply

5:33

can't cherry pick a moment in

5:35

college Canada's most violence or more

5:37

races city because When The Bag

5:39

is also one of it's most

5:42

remarkable, inclusive and innovative places at

5:44

the exact same thing. Sing.

5:46

And we've heard some of that even

5:48

this in the clips that were displayed

5:50

which were a summary of the things

5:53

as I've been happening in when a

5:55

bag recently you see the contrast of

5:57

you know, amazing offense and also. Some

6:00

of their really hard news, How would you

6:02

sum up. What? It's like to live in

6:04

when a bang especially when it comes to. Integers

6:07

Brothers I can tell you that living

6:09

of what a pig I mean, I've

6:12

lived here my whole life with a

6:14

few pit stops elsewhere, but I've always

6:16

come back to win a pig. That's

6:18

kind of a a frequent phrases people

6:20

always say you are you can't get

6:23

when a page out of you no

6:25

matter how far away you go because

6:27

there's a kind of cultural livelihood that

6:29

happens within the city that is deeply

6:31

deeply tied to relationships with indigenous peoples

6:34

when it biggest the first sight after

6:36

Confederation. So. When Canada's confederated in

6:38

eighteen sixty seven the first place that

6:41

is a treaties negotiated his in Manitoba

6:43

in was in Winnipeg sweetie one and

6:45

then treaty to was negotiated only a

6:47

couple weeks later. There was an attempt

6:50

to make Northwestern Ontario the first treaty

6:52

but there was a conflict over resources

6:54

and so that first step that takes

6:57

place in Manitoba day is the first

6:59

baby step of Canada. So the good,

7:01

the bad, the great, the ugly all

7:04

comes with that and particularly the quickly

7:06

because. Or the Indian Act

7:08

as then enforce to the Manitoba Act

7:10

which has negotiated by the provisional government

7:12

of the Me T then enters Manitoba

7:15

into Confederation and eighteen Seventy which then

7:17

results in the disposition of land for

7:19

indigenous peoples, particularly the Me T. And

7:21

so you see the most brutal examples

7:23

of Canada. and when a pig has

7:26

never been the most recent city in

7:28

the country, even though magazines call us

7:30

that we are the inheritor of Canada's

7:32

racism. but as a result we have

7:34

been working at racism the longest in.

7:37

The country. And. So is in

7:39

response to Canada as racism, the Indian

7:41

act, the intense violence that's being put

7:43

across the priests to settle things like

7:45

treaties to settle things like the train

7:47

line and so on. residential schools are

7:49

you see the most amount of solutions.

7:51

And when a peg. And so it's

7:53

possible to call when a peg the

7:55

most. whatever. because the fact is that

7:57

it's not just a place of of.

8:00

Deep Seated Conflict. but it's also a

8:02

place of deep seated solutions. For example,

8:04

in that column, you offline the summer

8:07

the of answer them and things have

8:09

been happening in Winnipeg. Just last week

8:11

there was an international gathering on Indigenous

8:14

literature. there was a City trade show

8:16

for Indigenous use and Summit on Indigenous

8:18

Identity, a Provincial conference on Indigenous Education,

8:21

and one of the largest Our Lives

8:23

in North America, all happening in mid

8:25

May. In. Winnipeg is that

8:27

typical. A One of the most amazing

8:29

things about all those events is that

8:31

it's percent of the crowds at all

8:33

of those events. even the Paolo. Are.

8:36

Non Indigenous peoples. They are Canadian

8:38

peoples who has deep seated relationships

8:40

with indigenous communities. I as there's

8:43

a phrase that I always used

8:45

every single Manitoba and. Is.

8:47

Sitting beside, working beside or is married

8:49

to an indigenous person because twenty percent

8:51

of the province's indigenous them is the

8:53

other four fifths. If you were to

8:56

shake their family tree you'd find it

8:58

ended as person in it or they're

9:00

currently working beside are living beside and

9:02

indigenous person. And then on top of

9:04

that, we just renamed a large portions

9:07

of the city after indigenous names in

9:09

indigenous languages. And so the Mayor Scott

9:11

Gillingham when he ran for election. Just

9:13

like Mayor Brian Bowman before that who.

9:16

Talked about being me T and I

9:18

think was able to get votes in

9:20

that regards. Eve you have to have

9:22

a platform that engages indigenous peoples in

9:25

Manitoba and the best example of that

9:27

is of course the recent election of

9:29

what can you with the Ndp? The

9:31

fact is that the Ndp had to

9:33

make a turn towards indigenous peoples and

9:35

now large part of the cabinet, a

9:38

large part of the leadership and even

9:40

the conservatives in Manitoba. They have a

9:42

platform that specifically talks about their Emily's

9:44

as being indigenous within the province. It

9:47

is a fact is that may Manitoba you have

9:49

to be competent to work with indigenous communities and

9:51

I think that that's a sign for the rest

9:53

of Canada us. Every single issue the Canada to

9:56

deal with in the future is going to involve

9:58

indigenous peoples, whether it be resources or. The

10:00

environment or escalating conflict in the fact

10:02

that democracy was invented by indigenous peoples

10:04

not not increase in Europe. it was

10:07

invented by indigenous peoples and so on.

10:09

When Europeans learn that and then therefore

10:11

the created things like the parliamentary system

10:13

where dialogue debate takes place, those are

10:15

all things that indigenous peoples will help

10:18

Canadians learn about in the future. And

10:20

so what you're seeing that is ground

10:22

zero in would a peg and I

10:24

think when a peg in Manitoba are

10:27

the centers of what is Canada's feature.

10:29

d The. Argument in your ear making in

10:31

your new book when he packed. His

10:33

that we back. As. The center

10:35

or at the forefront. Of reconnaissance and

10:38

in in Canada he got let's try

10:40

to make even more concrete. For listeners

10:42

are not from the city, how would

10:44

you describe? perhaps in one moment or

10:46

three Consolation looks like in Manitoba. It

10:49

would be really heard there are hundreds

10:51

of moments from the New wave. Dana

10:53

project which is on the largest gonna

10:55

be a billion dollar investment by First

10:57

nations into would have paid for an

10:59

urban reserve which everybody will benefit from,

11:01

get a conference center, they get a

11:03

hotel in a hockey rink and so

11:05

he could talk about the downtown new

11:07

museums and health centers that First Nations

11:09

are. N B T communities are building

11:11

in downtown. But I think the best

11:13

example of what Manitoba looks like when

11:16

a pig looks like right now is

11:18

if you go to Winnipeg. Jets game which

11:20

all of us go to with the really

11:22

big part of the culture of the of

11:24

Manitoba and and something that we all get

11:26

behind. It's kind of this weird moment in

11:28

which a lot of indigenous peoples are like

11:31

I'm not canadian and then there they are

11:33

wearing a would pick Just logo with a

11:35

big maple leaf in the center of it's

11:37

so I'd is where it's weird kind of

11:39

interesting moment for community that transcends at all

11:41

your yeah like I think people really realize

11:43

that it's something that we all get behind

11:46

you'll You'll hear the territorial acknowledgement at the

11:48

Winnipeg Jets game and. It is it. would

11:50

it be gets don't or they put it with

11:52

the national anthem but they don't ask people to

11:54

rise and they also don't really they just gonna

11:56

drop it in the middle of what is people

11:59

cheering and screaming. The Winnipeg Jets

12:01

people will stop. They.

12:03

Will cheer the territorial ignores But and

12:05

they will rise. To recognize

12:07

it and this is before the National

12:10

Anthem in the words please rise for

12:12

the National Anthem People will cheer. For.

12:14

What is ultimately a recognition that

12:16

they share relationships with indigenous nations?

12:19

I don't think that that happens

12:21

really many other places in the

12:23

world know, and especially during the

12:25

reputation of hockey. You know how.

12:28

Conservative it can be. And how Y M B. That

12:30

is definitely something very peculiar. Thank you

12:32

for pointing it out. There is there

12:34

any other lesson? That you'd be learned as

12:37

a whole farm. Know. What's with the

12:39

biggest doing right right now? Well I

12:41

mean here's here's the the bottom line

12:43

is that whether you like him are

12:45

not, whether you agree with them or

12:47

not, whether you are A and on

12:49

I don't really care. Justin Trudeau This

12:51

liberal government is the first government to

12:53

care. To. Engage the issue of indigenous

12:55

peoples on a full scale. a wide scale

12:57

way to do. and I'm telling you, he

13:00

did great. Am I telling you that is

13:02

perfect? But I am telling you that it's

13:04

the most progressive Federal government that's ever been

13:06

engaged on indigenous issues they're trying as what

13:08

you're saying, So. I

13:10

think Justin Trudeau sees what's happening. They

13:13

see that in the Twenty Fifteen election

13:15

which brought them into power. They.

13:17

Saw that indigenous voters were becoming

13:19

a force and in Manitoba what

13:21

brought Walk Canoe into the Provincial

13:24

election was the fact that twenty

13:26

thousand first time voters all of

13:28

whom are indigenous turned eighteen and

13:30

I think that's his shows an

13:32

electorate that is engaged in interested.

13:34

I think that's what Canada's future

13:37

looks like, particularly because most of

13:39

the indigenous population in Canada is

13:41

between the age of fifteen and

13:43

thirty. the vast majority are. And

13:45

that means that in places. like

13:47

b c alberta saskatchewan are you already

13:49

seeing this in northwestern ontario in parts

13:52

of the scouts one but i think

13:54

even in ontario the pockets of ontario

13:56

you're going to see this massive upswing

13:58

of indigenous peoples who and enter

14:00

into workplaces. We're already in the

14:02

universities and become the dentist, lawyers,

14:04

nurses, business owners, carpenters, et cetera.

14:07

And that means that every single Canadian will start to

14:10

look like what Manitoba looks like today. And

14:12

so if we're trying to look into the future

14:14

of Canada, you might as well just go visit

14:16

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don't if there's something you'd like us to.

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Duly note this week. So in

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Winnipeg the Scan Becky trial or

16:08

germs can be keys accused are

16:10

actually has admitted to killing Morgan

16:12

Harris, Mercedes Mirin, Rebecca Conte why

16:14

end or a woman named the

16:17

community is been Buffalo woman Of

16:19

course these are all indigenous women

16:21

nip And one of my media

16:23

colleagues call this Manitoba as Robert

16:25

Pickton Trial. The coverage of this

16:28

has been very horrific and has

16:30

really impacted the community and I

16:32

think that the. Media has been

16:34

real. on top of the story. I

16:36

think my two colleagues at here Weddle

16:38

adds a be tn and to married

16:40

to Ronnie from the Globe and Mail

16:42

they've been there every day and then

16:45

on top of that. Scene. Pritchard

16:47

from our newsroom from The With A

16:49

Free Press has been there every day

16:51

to cover the story. But one of

16:54

the most interesting elements of this story

16:56

has been that because the defense is

16:58

arguing that Jeremy Sky Becky is not

17:00

criminally responsible due to mental illness is

17:03

having to make. The. Craziest story

17:05

into the most understandable. or to

17:07

try to articulate that this was

17:10

an individual who not only plan

17:12

the murders of these women, but

17:14

then also thought it through meticulously,

17:16

or it's trying to make the

17:18

most horrific crime into understandable. It's

17:21

almost like the most unthinkable thinkable,

17:23

that's It Also involved a rather

17:25

a difficult relationship between the prosecution

17:27

and the media they haven't been

17:30

able to release, are they haven't

17:32

released any information to the media

17:34

so. All these different piecemeal completely shocking

17:36

facts are coming out just as kind

17:38

of matter of factly and of the

17:40

media's having to assemble the story. And

17:42

so there's really interesting thing that I

17:44

I covered the trial as well or

17:47

one of the fact that came out

17:49

with others. the dna of twelve more

17:51

women that were found in his apartment

17:53

that just came out through and a

17:55

witness testimony wasn't there's a press release

17:57

there was no information is so interestingly

17:59

enough as. Every trial usually see what

18:01

I cover trials you'll cbd a that kind

18:03

of rush out of the room and go

18:06

individually run into their car to call in

18:08

the news to the newsroom which you actually

18:10

see in this story is media coming together

18:12

to assemble the story collectively and I think

18:15

that that's a really remarkable thing that I

18:17

people may want to would duly noted for

18:19

about this story fault. naturally interesting so weren't

18:21

the only know they have a something that

18:24

the media is doing family while right now.

18:26

As a as a good example

18:28

of a best practice is merely

18:30

the case on this. I personally

18:32

that sense to me know that

18:35

and can do you have a

18:37

story that you were duly noting

18:39

this week I'm gonna drop people's

18:41

attention if anybody still not living

18:43

under a rock has not seen

18:45

it. there's been a really long

18:47

as there has been published and

18:49

the breach which is cause Cbc

18:51

has whitewash Israel's crimes and guys

18:53

are I saw firsthand and it's

18:56

basically a. Producer five years with

18:58

the Cbc who resigned and tell

19:00

their perspective on and he had

19:02

the same bias in the conference

19:04

of their war and as I

19:06

did and a double Sanders that

19:08

they've been seeing their. Last

19:10

Friday to Cbc News. Editor in

19:12

Chief responded to the allegations of

19:15

Tobias saying essentially, please look and

19:17

judge for yourself. And adding that

19:19

this. Was one of them. Most of

19:22

his if stories that this business has

19:24

covering years. And time to explain his

19:26

while, the process and the kind of complaints

19:28

that they're also getting I think this is

19:30

really really. Important conversation to follow. If

19:32

we wanna have a sense of what's

19:34

happening inside or newsroom, insist a seat

19:37

of tension and said newsroom. I really

19:39

don't think that Cbc is the only

19:41

media as being affected by this and

19:43

obviously everybody inside the new song will

19:45

be. Discussed saying that story

19:47

and trying to see where. They stand

19:50

on it all week. Have you been

19:52

following that as longer? I can tell

19:54

you firsthand. the says happen to myself

19:56

where the minutes has happened to yourself

19:58

when you're an indigenous report. Economist and

20:00

you comment on this issue. The

20:02

fact is that there's so much

20:05

complexity you can't really do it

20:07

justice in even a column or

20:09

even a feature. By the reality

20:11

is that we're really talking about

20:13

an issue in which it's who

20:15

has a rightful claim to this

20:17

land, what's the duty of Israel

20:20

in relation to to protecting itself

20:22

or attacking Hamas. And then of

20:24

course, who's dying. How are they

20:26

dying, Who's covering and who's telling

20:28

the story And. That's really did

20:30

the tricky balance or so much media in

20:33

this country and as an indigenous person I

20:35

often get framed in this. I support one

20:37

side or the other. I wrote a column

20:39

in which I talked about what if we

20:42

consider that both of them are indigenous and

20:44

they are both cousins which evidence suggests that

20:46

according to all the way into the bible

20:49

and then what is that ultimately means for

20:51

a world to watch this issue where no

20:53

matter what I do no matter what I

20:55

say you get than labels whether it be

20:58

anti semitic or whether it be anti. Palestine

21:00

not extreme enough to use defend white

21:02

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21:05

to uphold the genocide and then you

21:07

that seen as being somehow Europe's your

21:09

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21:12

somehow compromise are also you and I

21:14

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21:17

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21:19

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21:24

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21:26

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21:28

a gotten to a certain

21:30

point of unreason ability that

21:32

there is almost no ability

21:34

to discuss reason. The fact

21:36

is that it's tens of

21:38

thousands of Palestinian people, mostly

21:40

marginalized, Mostly children are suffering

21:42

and all of us have

21:44

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21:46

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nerves over blazing wilde. As

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the wild horses and get off to

25:06

what's being called an early start this

25:09

year there is a risk to Canada.

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Could see a repeat of last summer's

25:13

record breaking wildfire season. Fires are currently

25:16

burning it from be see right through

25:18

the prairie is driven by wins and

25:20

dry conditions. a force hundred to leave

25:23

Cranberry Portage over the weekend. Residents and

25:25

clan that reportage are back home tonight.

25:27

more than a week or for a

25:30

massive wildfire threaten. The community. Twenty

25:32

Twenty Three was Canada's worse

25:34

while fire season on record

25:36

with approximately eighteen point five

25:38

million actors burn. That

25:40

number is not missile the ringing

25:42

a bell to. Everyone. but that's that's

25:45

a lot of forests. That

25:47

was the worst my fire season until

25:49

Twenty Twenty. Four said hold my beer.

25:51

There. Are now already one hundred

25:53

and thirteen active fires across Canada,

25:55

including twenty four that are marked

25:58

as out of control. Know.

26:00

And. B C Alberta and Manitoba and

26:02

are some fires were burning as while

26:05

in the Northwest Territories, the Sketch or

26:07

New Brunswick of Ontario. An

26:09

evacuation orders as well for people

26:11

in Fort Nelson N B C

26:13

Me then you're based out of

26:15

Winning Bag which is in Manitoba.

26:17

so how is that? While fire

26:19

going so far in Manitoba so

26:21

the forest fire and Cranberry Portage

26:23

is no outs are for the

26:26

most part in your beginning Sept

26:28

there there was the wildfires season

26:30

is starting up again. it really

26:32

never ended and. To. Both the

26:34

beginning of twenty twenty three when things

26:36

really got out of control. sweet had

26:38

fires a throat, the prairies going all

26:40

the we'd all bird I'd be see

26:42

which have been going out of control

26:44

for quite some time now and I'm

26:47

so much so the Canada's needed international

26:49

help in or to engages. Last summer

26:51

I was out in the Bc interior

26:53

and you literally as you woke up

26:55

in the morning he walked outside and

26:57

there was asked falling onto your head

26:59

and then of course never mind the

27:01

fact that it was very difficult to

27:03

breathe. Throat the entirety of the

27:06

Bc interior, it really didn't matter where

27:08

you went And so I in Manitoba,

27:10

the forest fires have just been under

27:12

control now temporarily, and it's quite evident

27:15

that climate change is to blame and

27:17

is impacting most markedly the northern areas.

27:19

And this of course leads to the

27:21

big issue of who lives there, who's

27:24

the most impacted, and then how much

27:26

do we hear about it. And

27:28

to them is going to centers that

27:31

question the fire south and then there's

27:33

a question of how we're framing these

27:35

you how we're talking about it. As

27:37

a columnist with the When Back Impressive.

27:40

Been writing a lot about that issue

27:42

where over the years and just the

27:44

environment. More an internal ask how the

27:47

you see the role of journalists how

27:49

do you cover and remote community that's

27:51

being under in Nm Evacuation order on

27:54

the situation. Cranberry Portage That wildfire went

27:56

out of control so quickly. But.

27:58

Perhaps we heard very little. About it

28:00

because it's impacting predominately indigenous communities

28:02

and those communities we know are

28:04

chronically underfunded. They have dirt roads

28:06

and so media is not able

28:09

to get access to those communities.

28:11

It's much much the same way

28:13

that a flood will devastate the

28:15

ability for us to be able

28:17

to cover the story well. What

28:19

ends up happening is that Main

28:21

Stream or as Center Canada Urban

28:23

Centers at would do not hear

28:25

as much about these stories because

28:27

the fact is that have been

28:29

on. Newsrooms are shrinking, people don't have

28:31

the ability to get too low the

28:34

Is locations and hear the story and

28:36

then when the stories are reported upon

28:38

their often people that might not look

28:40

like those in the urban centers, they

28:42

are indigenous peoples. They are people who

28:45

are not have the same class of

28:47

perhaps the typical watch her who has

28:49

cable access and so as a result

28:51

you get this kind of. Sort.

28:54

Of like almost of feigned ignorance

28:56

in this in the media landscape

28:58

around the issue of climate change,

29:01

the issue of governmental disasters, And

29:03

last summer it seem like a lot

29:05

of people in Canada discovered the north

29:08

and of wildfire or flash fire front

29:10

of first time in the sense that

29:12

because affairs reached the fully montreal's here

29:14

where of them said tweeted or Ottawa

29:16

or the large cities this is it

29:19

seems to be then people notice that

29:21

there are us are your. Exists.

29:24

Is. That what you're saying essentially is an Ss

29:27

Non in the city, It doesn't exist. I.

29:29

Think what ends up happening

29:31

is that people in urban

29:33

centers. Might. Not think about what's

29:35

happening in rural areas in. oh, that's not

29:37

shocking until it ultimately impacts them. I think

29:40

back to the floods that threaten would a

29:42

pagan the late nineteen nineties. These

29:44

were things when suddenly people went. Oh, there's

29:46

a funding problem in Manitoba. Well, that's been

29:49

going way back to the nice ortiz the

29:51

nineteen fifties, but it happened on peg with

29:53

First Nation on Fisher River for station. I

29:55

mean, these are communities that are flooded out

29:58

every single year and hundreds and. In

30:00

many years thousands of people are put

30:02

into hotels in the downtown core and

30:05

so you might get a story here

30:07

and there, but you generally would not

30:09

get a story in less otherwise urban

30:11

people are paying attention to. But in

30:13

this wildfire season I think people are

30:16

much more cognizant because of the carbon

30:18

tax. This has become a hot button

30:20

political issue because it's were going up

30:22

to a Federal election campaign and so

30:24

suddenly now people are carrying a lot

30:27

more perhaps. But while fired by, think

30:29

what's hitting. People really in the in

30:31

the face when it comes to wear

30:33

forest fires is that their everyday things

30:35

like vacations to places like Singapore of

30:37

could be interrupted. I think it's also

30:40

really important than humans and they seem

30:42

to a carbon tax I was wondering

30:44

where are you seeing assessed and the

30:46

political narrative already in Winnipeg Now that

30:48

the fight fires our our live again

30:50

that that might tell us something is

30:52

wrong about how the conversation my sister

30:54

a fourteen rest of the country as

30:57

well as as a forest fires are

30:59

getting larger. It's. This the

31:01

situation a Manitoba is such that of

31:03

people are cognisant. Absolutely you cannot deny

31:05

in any way shape or form that

31:08

climate change is impacting most of Manitoba.

31:10

If you go to the beach and

31:12

one of the swimming the over abundance

31:14

of algae and like would a peg

31:17

which is directly been from the deforestation

31:19

of seven Manitoba Climate change is impacting

31:21

your cottage lists. Climate change is also

31:23

impacting all the different thousands of people

31:26

that are forced into would a pig

31:28

every year from flooding and from wildfires.

31:30

From having their are power lines bird

31:33

down in their communities and so therefore

31:35

they can go back for months and

31:37

then that impacts people's lives because it

31:39

increases are things like homelessness or addictions

31:41

within the city you cannot deny Manitoba.

31:43

the climate is impacting everybody and so

31:45

therefore everybody talks about it. And I

31:47

think that creates an atmosphere in which

31:49

talking about carbon tax isn't is quite

31:51

as davis of as it might be.

31:54

And let's see, Alpert right. So.

31:56

That skyn. How. The We.

31:58

Take. That. Make sure

32:00

that it's happening. More.

32:03

Sense. That safe we were to.

32:06

Use. That to better inform and told

32:08

them that it's not as polarizing the

32:10

visit on time and policy of what

32:12

would that look like I know is

32:14

that just a minute ago I said

32:17

singapore who end this week we saw

32:19

extreme turbulence in a plane that are

32:21

damaged and have harmed a lot of

32:23

people and fact one person passed away.

32:26

That. I think brings it home

32:28

on all of the major media

32:31

outlets in the past Twenty four

32:33

hours and coverage around that issue

32:35

you suddenly see people carrying to

32:38

talk about. How. Climate

32:40

change is impacting vacation

32:42

spots wilde perhaps sad.

32:45

That. People suddenly care because they're worried

32:48

about their vacation to this exotic countries.

32:50

It does show that the current narrative

32:52

really isn't working so was deemed as

32:55

an indigenous issue or poor people. people

32:57

in the major urban centers don't care

32:59

as much. Suddenly now when it's about

33:02

Singapore or thing it's about their areas

33:04

that I have the world like Australia.

33:07

Australia. Just put out a report to say

33:09

that there is major turbulence going to happen

33:12

on the major thoroughfare roots that planes use

33:14

from America and from Canada. If we don't

33:16

do something to stop climate change or slow

33:18

it down, the fact is that you know

33:21

people are going to have extreme experiences of

33:23

climate change when they go on to planes.

33:25

I think that really hits home. I think

33:28

that's a sad state of affairs that people

33:30

have to care about that, but at this

33:32

point I think anything works better. You're saying.

33:35

It needs to affects people

33:37

who are boss to mother

33:39

and that racism is gonna

33:41

be the death of us

33:43

all ties. ah this as

33:45

by the time it's mostly

33:47

people were not. Indigenous.

33:50

Are black or brown that is being affected?

33:52

Were already in deep shit As like you

33:54

said, I mean you you. You put it

33:56

a bit more directly. Ice the I didn't

33:58

think of a good of Pm. And

34:00

in some of the word that I do.

34:02

but I also think that people deal with

34:04

what's in front of mine. I think it's

34:07

our job as media, but it's also our

34:09

job as academics and as writers and people

34:11

who have platforms to explain this to people

34:14

in such a way that they need to

34:16

care. We need to connect the dots for

34:18

people, and we need to show people that

34:20

climate change is costing people whether they know

34:23

it or not a panasonic mean. Then set

34:25

the question around. Imagine that there is less

34:27

wildfires and ten. And because we ask curb.

34:30

You. Know Carmen, Amazon and climb and scenes

34:32

and we have saved of wolves. What

34:34

role did the media plays in that

34:36

outcome? Where they have we done different,

34:38

need to make people relate to the

34:40

issue so that we can move policy

34:43

in the right direction. I think that

34:45

everyone in the media and all of

34:47

us who comment on these things every

34:49

week on different shows know that the

34:51

away that the carbon tax has been

34:53

ruled out has been a universal failure

34:55

from the Federal government, but I think

34:57

that there's a very simple solution to

34:59

that. But it's. Not perhaps one that's

35:01

politically favorable and will get when you

35:04

elections but the fact is the problem

35:06

is is ultimately has always been and

35:08

will continue to be that the big

35:10

polluters which are corporate canada are paying

35:13

the most minimal amount because the fact

35:15

is that and I'll say it that

35:17

the they are the ones who are

35:20

the the bread and butter of politicians

35:22

and political parties services in here is

35:24

saying that we need John Some that

35:26

is more critical capitalism. As

35:29

I think absolutely Ahmet as the and

35:31

I'm I very much saying this sentence

35:34

and that perhaps to start way and

35:36

his faith and size but basically what

35:38

I'm trying to say is that when

35:40

you're targeting corporation and you know the

35:42

enterprise and and the business model right

35:44

and and the people and him off

35:46

the criticism of of the economy and.

35:48

Yes, The weak. The weak. Capitalism functions.

35:51

In this country and that's a conversation

35:53

we seem to have been avoiding as

35:55

were discussing time and change it. We

35:57

know my problem is. my problem is

35:59

that we know. The names of all

36:01

the politicians making decisions on climate

36:03

and but we don't know any

36:05

of the names of the biggest

36:07

emitters we don't don't have the

36:09

names of the Ceos were making

36:11

these decisions. We don't know the

36:13

names of those who are I

36:15

seeking lobbyists and trying to get

36:17

the most amount of tax breaks.

36:19

We don't know the names of

36:21

the capital investors who are benefiting

36:23

the most from an ongoing climate

36:25

crisis like that's the problem So

36:27

or try night said more light.

36:30

On the people who hold a

36:32

lot of power in this country

36:34

with sounds like Msn for journalists

36:36

and an Aussie agree with that.

36:39

Sounds sounds like something for media

36:41

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