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loss. Have
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you ever wished that you could relive your
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college days? I mean, possibly wishes I could
1:09
because I can't remember them. They were a
1:11
fun time for the idea of diving back
1:13
into all that teenage drama and
1:15
exam stress as an adult. Those
1:18
fill me with a certain amount of horror and
1:20
I imagine most people feel the same way. So
1:23
imagine being 29 years old
1:25
and joining a college course aimed at getting
1:27
teenagers through their high school exams,
1:30
especially if you'd pass your A levels 10 years
1:33
earlier. It was definitely late
1:35
2017. I think it was November.
1:37
Just kind of a course thing
1:40
for people who didn't necessarily
1:43
complete school in the normal way, you know. She
1:46
said it's because her GCSEs expired
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back in England. I'm
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superkins and I'm Kat Denkenson and
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you Are listening to Carrie J does not
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exist. About Cost about one
2:01
woman who took on the six
2:03
different identities. Infiltrated the lives
2:06
of vulnerable people, lied her way
2:08
into gaming their trust, And.
2:10
Built up a picture perfect persona. Until
2:13
she got tangled up in our own
2:15
web of lies. This is
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Episode eight: The Mitchell Student. Now.
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The into the last episode we talked
2:23
about how Terry Jade was reportedly living
2:25
in smaller towns working as an A
2:27
pen and say the Harris. Well.
2:29
Since then with has some new information about
2:31
her past. Which. Has made us wants
2:33
take a deeper look and hopefully fill in some
2:36
of the blanks and a story. So.
2:38
Did the most sissy months. We've uncovered all
2:40
kinds of evidence from victims of Terry and
2:42
Six and crimes. There's. Still some
2:44
stores it's a not yet been told. Stress.
2:47
On the one that was certainly by Alex
2:49
and chance to Irishman early twenties. They
2:52
told us about their experience of dysentery
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day to insist in Cook and Twenty
2:56
seventeen. And rise be done he had one
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males to his house is often me. Undies
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it says was to have an
3:02
unreasonable search. And speak with them as
3:04
it is as number of times. Perry Jade,
3:07
Ha, Samantha Cook, Saidi Harris, and so on.
3:09
Tend to gravitate towards women
3:11
and women spaces. And. Most
3:14
often towards mother's. So.
3:16
These relationships. Are other look
3:18
for different I think. They are the problem
3:20
us is it seems as far as last
3:22
year of older I'm supposing sniper in resets
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in his other people's families and so on.
3:26
But. In this case, courage. I got to know
3:29
these men in the educational setting. So.
3:31
Paralysis can have a quick recap. Of
3:33
what was going on encourage a slight
3:35
specifically into into Seventeen so when on
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new contributors get to Nova at because
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we have already touched or on massive
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previous episodes of my. We have, so let's
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get back that. In
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twenty seventeen times I was using that i
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Rebecca Fitzgerald a living in some like tanning
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since cook. Says Poses an Autism
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therapist and visiting people skills in the hands
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of my therapists. He was in no way
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qualified to administer. This. Is also
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assistant. That noted, Come on, What for
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Regards with a step. Son.
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To expand it to the seventeen. The people
4:31
started to get suspicious and as came to
4:33
a head when the principle of the local
4:36
school reported the book and then he was
4:38
rebecca to the car d c for tell
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overnight which is ready for slice into the
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people and someone who had no idea was
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for the bomb. however aris of the discrepancies
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and she only a few miles down the
4:49
road in the still living in county Cork
4:51
that's insane says she's to during. The big
4:53
drama fleeing the scene of a crime or said
4:55
he the scene of a of exception. But.
4:57
She's she's just basically tumbling down a
4:59
be road and be she's just didn't
5:01
really going anywhere. You say? no? That's
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take it any other. In November Twenty seventeen,
5:06
Rebecca Sit swirled a role to sell for
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the college about twenty two miles away from
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For Moines. Issue literally dove down the road.
5:13
Of course by this point said is normally using the name of
5:15
it said. South of course so she likes to
5:17
keep the same like hell really. But he said
5:19
he the name that that the guess since. She's
5:22
obviously something about county cool.
5:24
Prequels her. I said there is
5:26
an interesting leave. Her. Name was quite
5:28
instead at this point as well. Because.
5:31
Of a suicide in earlier episodes was you changes to
5:33
just random names to be at that Some of her
5:35
name is a relate to her own known some of
5:37
them are completely made up on the spot. This
5:39
little incentive to see to some to roll
5:41
herself. As some institutes. Sushi.
5:44
Combat real name exactly Us are all this
5:46
time. All these years of running I'm interested
5:48
in and five years at this point. Constantly.
5:51
changing names, constantly getting towns,
5:53
Of. The some reason in november of
5:55
twenty seven scenes he decides is the
5:58
remove intended as cemented his it's. He.
6:00
Was it because it suited to genuinely things. At
6:02
this point is kinda be a fresh start
6:04
she's trying to get away for a moment.
6:07
She's she's twenty, kind of better herself and
6:09
and past the side over the misdemeanors of
6:11
the past. Honest. I'm not sure the
6:13
saw Alex who loves him as own that
6:15
course told me. For.
6:26
The way you know
6:28
you're research projects. Like.
6:34
Me: skeptical sorrier Procedures
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daughter and she kept
6:39
our. Boy only
6:41
like two people are guilty of like have
6:43
a very small course and old us. right?
6:46
Just to clarify those, Samantha Curbs.
6:49
She's. Already got her A levels and say i mean she'd
6:51
she'd. Been to university in England, he did the
6:53
cheapest reynolds about ten years earlier and let's invest
6:55
if or year. When. A Spectral
6:57
It's a son John who was in the same
6:59
class with them. He told me this unanswered explain
7:01
this is a purpose all little story. Afterwards.
7:11
Was. Nice to me.
7:13
The Dccc. Expire. I went to
7:15
start panic say than until must update them.
7:18
It stretches the bounds of credibility. does anyone
7:20
with with police out that at the same
7:22
time you know. We. Have different for example,
7:24
school and systems to people in Scotland which is
7:26
in the United Kingdom. So it's not entirely beyond
7:28
the bounds that in a for an Irish person
7:31
they might think so. Yeah, well, maybe meeting the
7:33
they do just. In. That's. Listen.
7:35
To him and overseas details most of his
7:38
that easy seized and spice. But some
7:40
other latest did ask any further questions List
7:42
does as Alex pointed out, Ellison the citrusy,
7:44
younger than her. How. Old is he
7:46
says he was. Twenty ninth.
7:51
Or especially with the oldest person on the
7:54
course. of
7:57
a taste so she was enrolled in college
8:00
But how was she living at this point? What
8:02
do we know about the wider picture? Does she
8:04
have a job? Well, this is why it gets interesting,
8:07
because she told Alex that she worked for the cleaner
8:09
and she'd rented a little flat somewhere north of the
8:11
city. However, in reality, she'd
8:13
actually rented a three-bedroom house, and John actually
8:15
visited her there on one occasion. Oh, I
8:17
was shocked to see that there was absolutely no furniture
8:19
in the house. So is it just a bare bones
8:21
house? I mean, there's no couch, no table. I'm
8:24
guessing if you went upstairs, there'd probably just be
8:26
a mattress on the floor. Absolutely nothing in the
8:28
house. Was it actually you going round to her
8:30
house then as a 17-year-old, knowing that she's 29? In
8:35
a sense, it was a bit of a weird one,
8:37
but I didn't really hesitate
8:39
because I thought, what's the worst that could happen?
8:42
Hang on a second. I mean, again, this compulsive lying's
8:44
come to the fore, because she said to one
8:46
of the guys, she's got this one bed, and
8:49
then they visit and she's in the
8:51
three-bedroom house as a big, big
8:54
gaff. So these guys know each other,
8:56
don't they? Alex and John have known each other
8:58
since college for like seven years. So it
9:00
kind of stands to the compulsive lying aspects
9:02
with it. Alex asks her where she lived,
9:04
and she immediately comes up with, oh, I've got a little
9:06
flat somewhere in the city. I've got a little place to live in.
9:09
But then later, when John was going to come round to her house,
9:12
I guess she had to suddenly tell him the truth, because
9:14
you've got a flat and having to turn up to a three-bed
9:16
house. It's since with the strange
9:18
patterns she has of lying on the spot
9:20
and not really thinking about the consequences, the idea that at
9:22
some point she's going to have to have somebody around the
9:24
house isn't there in her head when she
9:26
tells Alex to lie. But there isn't even a consistent narrative
9:28
within a group. You know, she's got two kids
9:31
who know each other, and she's saying completely different
9:33
things to each one of them. So it's
9:36
fascinating. She lies like she breathes, you
9:38
know, it's a reflex. So she also
9:41
says that she's a cleaner. What do we know about that?
9:43
In terms of this cleaning job, honestly, I don't know if it
9:45
was any more real than anything else she told them, especially
9:48
considering some of the stories she told them about it,
9:50
as Alex shared with me. She said
9:52
she was working nights at a kind of
9:54
student accommodation place, and she's saying that she's
9:57
basically a cleaner and thought, you
9:59
know, when she'd offer that often tell
10:01
very interesting stories about
10:04
stuff that happened. Like she'd say, we
10:06
actually rented out a room to a
10:08
group of travelers recently. She's saying, oh,
10:10
they ripped the bathroom apart and they
10:12
stole all the copper pipes out
10:14
of the bathroom. Oh, she said another
10:17
sign that she painted because someone improperly
10:19
labeled some cleaning chemicals. That's another one
10:21
I remember now. She said that she
10:24
was cleaning and she called herself to
10:26
base. So she's still
10:28
telling these very overblown, very
10:31
traumatic stories. It's
10:33
not exactly blending into the background, is
10:35
it? How did Alex and his friends
10:37
react to all that? It's just that they
10:39
didn't really challenge her. In Alex's words, she
10:41
was really believable. I think because
10:43
of the age gap, they didn't want to challenge her
10:46
as well. She's the adult. So in that social situation,
10:48
she has power just by being 12 years older
10:50
than them. And also, I think some
10:52
of the stories she was telling them, considering their age, they
10:54
were quite heavy. She said that her
10:56
daughter died because of a childhood vaccine, that it
10:58
was medical malpractice. And she said that there was
11:01
a doctor in the UK who were saying she
11:03
was mentally ill and was trying to have her
11:05
committed, you know, she was saying that there are
11:07
so many other women that she was telling us
11:09
how there's going to be this big court case
11:11
in Brussels against this doctor based
11:14
in the UK. So hang on,
11:16
she's telling her 17 year old friends that
11:18
her daughter died from a childhood
11:20
vaccine and then
11:23
that the doctor tried to have her committed.
11:25
I mean, there's so much to unpick there,
11:27
I sort of don't even know where to
11:29
begin. It's awful. It's awful, isn't it?
11:31
Because there are elements of it that
11:33
connect to sort of truth. Obviously, her daughter died,
11:35
but she wants to find an external reason for
11:37
it. And she is mentally
11:39
unwell, it's fair to say. But
11:42
she's then placing the blame onto the medical profession who
11:44
are then trying to encroach on her and you know,
11:46
and have her committed. It is it's
11:49
very, very telling, considering what we now know about
11:51
her. I mean, unlike, you know,
11:53
unlike all the conversations she's had with all the
11:55
mothers she met where she said truthfully in her baby
11:57
mastoiditis in her infancy, that's how many
11:59
months For some reason she told
12:01
these guys that Martha lived till she was two or three
12:03
and it was a child infacting that killed her. But
12:06
as you say, there is the element of
12:08
truth there because the child still died unfortunately.
12:11
And in terms of the doctor having her committed, I
12:13
mean that fits with her story of going to
12:15
Ireland as well because she fled so they couldn't
12:17
take a child. So mental health services
12:20
were involved at that point on the level. We don't
12:22
know what their involvement was, whether
12:24
they were planning on having her sectioned, she's
12:27
obviously got that as an experience somewhere in her
12:29
life I suspect. It's also interesting and
12:31
very sad to me that even in her fantastical
12:33
world the child still dies. Her need for drama,
12:35
I think she wants her trauma acknowledged. So
12:38
she can't almost have a happy ever after story
12:40
even in her fantasy life because
12:42
what she wants is someone to go, I'm really
12:44
sorry. I'm really sorry you've suffered this, I'm really
12:46
sorry you've gone through all this trauma. In
12:50
all of these fake narratives there's always
12:52
a detail that is utterly...
12:56
it has the hallmark of complete unbelievably. It's
12:58
the part about the pregnant women in
13:01
Brussels, I'm guessing that never happened. Honestly
13:03
I don't know for sure but I've been unable to find
13:05
anything that relates to it directly. I mean given her latest
13:07
stories about being born in the mother of baby home, you
13:10
know what we know of those atrocities, there are cases where
13:12
people in Ireland have tried to sue the Irish
13:14
government but they've offered them a lot more
13:16
recently, they've all happened within the last three years. There's
13:19
nothing anywhere really that relates to this or could
13:21
possibly be what she's basing it on. I think
13:24
she's just pushed it that bit too far as usual. There's
13:26
always a foreign element to the story isn't
13:28
there, there's Brussels, there's Texas, there's always something
13:31
far flung and exotic. Yeah something that you
13:33
can't trace. So how long was she at
13:35
college with these guys? She was on this
13:37
pretty much the whole college year. She was there
13:39
from November 2017 to June 2018 and
13:43
that fits in the timeline between her leaving Samoy
13:45
and then rocking up in Calcivir in 2019. Obviously
13:48
there's slight gaps at the end of 2018. So
13:51
did they spend a lot of time with her? Were they good mates
13:53
or would she just another face, another body
13:55
in the classroom? This is also quite
13:57
interesting again given the age difference. Just
14:00
hours hanging out with them after classes, walking
14:02
around town and settles. She's I almost
14:05
always go after lunch after as a
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soldier know it was an early finish.
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sometimes we try out for like five
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or six new be prolonged periods of
14:21
time where we're just chatting. With.
14:23
The Galaxy with a chance to bounce. I mean,
14:25
this is what he told them. a different story
14:27
about a child. The
14:29
was about her, the stories with a. When. He
14:31
told the same to the things into announced the leading
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senses. One source
14:35
told them about be willing to church. still
14:38
don't know since with her. Yeah. And
14:40
she claims to it's is providing nothing. He's another
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since like amazon's had been fighting herself. And
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sister, She was the benefactor. And.
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as he wants to be accepted as part the group the
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hasn't got a family his souls sink into.
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19:35
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19:38
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19:40
he was trying to earn that college. So what was
19:42
the ups he was? It was. It just a
19:44
friendship gathering exercise. Was it's we embedding as often
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19:48
only those assassin it's partly wanting to
19:50
pass a group be accepted. The helpful
19:52
of this mother had character. But.
19:55
I'm in. Ultimately that behavior is what led to
19:57
had done for the situation as well. So
20:00
I'm assuming that they lending the thousand euros wasn't the
20:02
down for the this a sadistic in the tales this.
20:05
There is size not sound out. The Alex is
20:07
a big reader and is a huge meal. Davidson.
20:10
And. In May twenty eight see Lila sit at a
20:12
book reading and funny about in Dublin. says.
20:14
And other told al Aqsa look at twenty pixels
20:16
off and see it also to wealth. Go.
20:24
After shows. Like
20:38
ah now this is. Interesting.
20:40
And as you know, another
20:43
dimension here because Samantha has
20:45
firmly embedded herself. In
20:47
the role of era as doses of
20:49
the Sleep with the children just gonna
20:51
take them a whim trip. she's going
20:53
to look after them she said to
20:55
be the therapist that's part of regular
20:57
M Eyes. But. In this case,
21:00
the Cfc follow through this case a seat
21:02
actually providing the things the supremacists. Unfortunately,
21:04
not so noticed.
21:06
Expect said he described as a Canadian
21:08
citizen. Under Siege just as disabled.
21:11
So. Despite all this and that he sang don't worry about the
21:13
bus tickets. I get from travel she insisted.
21:15
On getting the tickets on of the pot
21:17
missing constantly throughout the series. Pissed at him
21:20
completely. Oh no, I can't see
21:22
pictures of the waiting on the
21:24
platform assist. Oh just realizing
21:26
she sees going to do something
21:28
different. She. Spent all that time
21:31
getting to know the sky. And
21:33
then she does that. Wow. Okay, so how does
21:35
it row? Oh on the day before
21:37
the that in Alex lighting messaging her baffled all day
21:39
but it's has to come sit on his tickets in
21:41
it. Where are you? are we ready yet? What's going
21:43
on? And. He with it does on
21:45
suffering quite Aussie with anxiety because of them. Have
21:48
been at this point his parents that to do they realize
21:50
the a sex. It's as having. And I
21:52
got involved label time to Concepts and find out.
21:55
That. The to know they'll completely. See. It
21:57
was once his those investments with as the me this
21:59
is. Tell me about it. For
22:01
a bargain. Come out of here and okay I
22:03
was like a golfer to like I had eleven
22:06
at night. like I was hearing nothing. I
22:08
went to the issue of course she didn't
22:10
show up and the best as a go
22:12
to the show anyway when my father we
22:14
drove off like but she'd probably be pulled
22:16
me over and I you know she likes
22:18
giving people like skipping school like false hope
22:20
like I think. maybe I know, maybe she
22:23
enjoys that or something. Say
22:25
it's really nice. Simply point
22:27
is summed up Some On
22:29
to them. And
22:32
is awful. It's awful because he is. Ah
22:35
I knew I can anxiety pills like
22:37
ends in a dissing internet see but
22:39
need and planet and specially he knew
22:42
as a young person and really feel
22:44
for him. Leaders. are
22:46
no experience someplace Facility was adults who been
22:48
disappointed we met people the do the source
22:50
and does not appear you a see somebody.
22:52
Who he turns up as the fairy godmother you
22:55
know, and and of his to him or would
22:57
have been more than just seeing his idol. But
22:59
it's coming into Dublin, it's going to the big
23:01
snow. didn't mean it's like. Sit ups, The
23:03
disease itself, freedoms, that taste of freedom of
23:05
that sounds simple. said he didn't see most
23:08
on the road. It messes. Missile.
23:10
Mrs. Experiences. Money The
23:12
steam when we know it's a scene with her for the
23:14
seals or for the jobs of sense illnesses. Know.
23:17
He has He told me though i think that
23:19
you job in the student who for and cleaning
23:22
attitude of deception and he still has the to
23:24
analyze it even as she was working in the
23:26
student who's this point in his his old. Smoke
23:28
and mirrors and. Whatever. Dramas
23:31
has created today. To say to
23:33
me that I could do a. Job
23:35
or time if I want us.
23:40
To help us move. On, but associate out.
23:43
Anyway Wallace was going on with the book signing.
23:45
still I'll it's his muscles was put into this
23:47
together you the seat of his the synod with
23:49
Alex and quite a both to the slices scene
23:51
and for be heard. From him there is
23:53
things since and promised a not done. Since.
23:56
He had enough of this is Not a dude
23:58
lives in Institutes and and. Articles about have
24:00
been convicted fraudster Well that's what happens when you
24:03
use your real name. I'm.
24:05
At this point you frigate session she just
24:07
shy the ones to be sounds. Oh
24:09
she just thinks it's funny. I think so
24:12
I do want either have ensued always that so
24:14
many times and point says, essentially given a free
24:16
pass to keep going. so why the heck wouldn't
24:18
it. Says I mean obviously at
24:20
this point is I just others take into this
24:22
book signing and everything was that is that the
24:25
following Monday he then successful that his mother Sansa
24:27
College unsaid is tutors said hey you know all.
24:29
Customers can be to foodstuff. That is
24:31
a ballsy move thus rates really good
24:33
Really good. Boundaries are just going straight
24:35
to the top the train going. This
24:38
is what's happening as brilliant. Insisted he
24:40
does. He said the colleges reaction was to
24:42
tell them to keep it quiet. Oh noes.
24:45
That. This point to join them under the real. Name to
24:47
Missouri defrauded the college anyway. So.
24:49
Than others the could not see. Don't legally to go
24:51
anyway. See. This of as opposed to the
24:54
someone else or Castilla money away obvious. And
24:56
it is coming to the end. To. This palace. And so
24:58
they just wanted to brussel under the rug. They.
25:01
Did ask not the names. Actually in the
25:03
stem cells to police themselves. The said that. Yeah,
25:05
and since do that, Saw. Cichlids
25:07
will discuss it. Happen? perhaps. Yeah, I
25:10
understand the nails. Understand to be fest
25:12
them that it's a nuanced situation. Because
25:15
really in the eyes of the law which them
25:17
says promised taken some on the she hasn't. A
25:20
it's to swim looking at at this through
25:22
the lens else. Power Dynamics? You know she's
25:24
older than him. He. Identifies
25:28
as being on the autistic spectrum and
25:30
is registered with a disability. She has
25:32
all the power and that's what makes
25:34
this is obese had situation. But.
25:36
I can see that the punishment keep their head down. Those.
25:39
Are the space of time and time again
25:41
which he operates the spaces west The law
25:44
can't quite reads. And west
25:46
social convention on quite reach in at all
25:48
those sorts of things. Are.
25:50
Locals Interestingly was the college told Alex to
25:52
don't have anybody to seventeen so humidity. but
25:54
that totalled his nights a week. Good because
25:56
it has to stop somewhere into certain that
25:58
yeah, he walked into. The day before the system
26:01
sleep us as receptionist and we went to them first
26:03
and then caught up with his classmates. I
26:05
mean, she was technically still in Tulsa them at this point
26:07
as well for their own exam lead. so they saw each
26:09
other. for exams, but not really an
26:11
interest day by day here, but. Wasn't
26:13
as soon as Alec said he didn't confront her about
26:15
said in that he wanted to let out a pseudo
26:18
forget see happened. Zone did come from
26:20
Hello and this is what you said have country brought
26:22
in. My sense is that. Where.
26:40
We told her. Ah,
26:44
that. Are. Thought. To.
26:54
Any of us. Over.
27:01
He. Says to me like a says
27:03
he's confronted she's disassociate can immediately this
27:05
no emotional response of panic a than
27:08
rumbles. It's me and it
27:10
has the next season. To the next thing.
27:12
It's. It's certainly so odds me as well as
27:14
she was authentic she was then says she was
27:17
even embarrassed for okay you sound the same next.
27:19
Mean. In the long term planning again see
27:21
isn't there because she would realize the most
27:24
people would realize that the our school talked
27:26
about her soil from the west at all
27:28
actually died which doesn't sit with the story
27:30
sold them but that doesn't espresso in her
27:32
had either. it's literally just. Brushed.
27:34
Off the soldiers me up onto the
27:36
next lavish is planning so. Awkward
27:38
situation by all accounts although I guess
27:41
one scene is that the game is
27:43
up she just with rules and funds
27:45
to see move what's what what happens
27:47
at the and the school year from.
27:50
What? and tell us the year ended You
27:52
know they also lost touch and some point
27:54
see mister moved on to her neck. So
27:56
cases and we know the kids are defrauded
27:58
by a thankfully no the most money Allison
28:00
don't forget that you know should happen to
28:02
get those is really odd. Personally I trust
28:04
that one year so they instill moments. I
28:06
think this because it's it's in the between place.
28:08
You know that she's not. She's gone by to
28:10
have real identity. And. Yet, there's
28:13
nothing real about the way she
28:15
presents herself. Still, I'm misrepresenting lying,
28:17
cunning people on a personal level.
28:20
Pessimists a cease easy accesses of recuperation
28:22
space before she goes on to the
28:24
next big thing in the next. the
28:26
next year the change of name and
28:28
change of location. Sees. Herself
28:30
up as herself, insistently. Which.
28:33
Toys and sorry strangely when you think that
28:35
to the very beginning of this. Podcast.
28:38
Was. He was saying. I didn't
28:41
commit as crimes that wasn't meatless. My sister.
28:43
In. The store is just signed up as they
28:46
turned up and. The. Links out there in her
28:48
head of that think. It has a cast
28:50
to of how story A connects the story be
28:52
your canucks that and knows his told anybody ever.
28:54
This. This going back to school thing is
28:57
that it is is that a familiar tropes
28:59
and dumbass pool. he. Has it's rare remains
29:01
lots of stories about in an adult posing
29:03
as other adults. And defrauding each other. This
29:05
is always seen hundreds of some. Of
29:07
the receive stories about adults posing as
29:10
teenagers go back to school for various
29:12
reasons. With. A very read his
29:14
battle very often. And. They use it
29:16
a result of some or. Other mental the songs and.
29:19
I think this is the only store your family
29:21
have adult them back to school as an adult
29:23
to get a confession. Have already gone and hanging
29:25
out with teenagers so. Remind.
29:28
Us because we've we've had
29:30
this bonus episode basically which
29:32
which pieces he fills in
29:34
in some of the blinds
29:36
but reminders were Samantha goes.
29:38
Next. Is he doing folders
29:40
involved in the hundred and seventeen? Having
29:43
such turmoil. See. Then less
29:45
college in full in June twenty a
29:47
scene and the next, I have authors
29:49
when she turned up in classes in.
29:52
In two thousand and nineteen. So.
29:54
We've got roughly a year between were
29:56
not so was undermined this and Twenty nineteen
29:58
what's the name she'd seizing. What's the
30:00
next? thing? Twenty nine See this
30:03
interesting because having gone from being nanny
30:05
to appear tonight so the past herself
30:07
in college. Citizens. Also
30:09
the the courage I will in the writer and
30:11
that some the whole thing starts. Very.
30:13
Useful and wonderful to get that missing
30:15
year actually. And of the more we
30:17
know, the more comprehensive picture we can
30:19
build. So is he A stories if
30:21
he's had any meetings or interactions with
30:23
Samantha in any of her guys is
30:25
the new concept to get in touch.
30:27
Cast as it passes. Do that. You
30:29
to Samuel is to bombers seat and
30:32
droits de Famille Switzerland at the same
30:34
name only to email me directly hasn't
30:36
and concern up for some mail. Dot.
30:38
com well as as a thank
30:40
you for listening cup as ever,
30:42
and CEO Incredible Reset always to
30:45
it's catch up with what's happening.
30:47
Think he says that see what comes of it
30:50
in the eighties or it's a does not. Exist
30:52
as an oldie always of internal production has to
30:54
buy. Me see Perkins and Cousins Uncles and
30:56
cousins and concerned. Reported the original story
30:58
and break the series. If you
31:00
have a story that can help
31:02
us fill in more says gaps
31:04
than as a discussed, please get
31:06
in touch with cat doesn't I'm
31:08
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31:10
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31:12
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31:14
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31:16
and citizens. Have
31:24
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31:26
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31:28
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