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to episode 179 of clean up on aisle 45. It's

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Wednesday, June 26, 2024. I'm

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Alison Gill. And I'm Pete Strzok. We record

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to this, it's Wednesday, which means by the

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2:28

keeping our eyes on the docket this week, but today

2:30

we're going to cover updates in

2:32

Manhattan where Alvin Bragg is urging Judge Murch

2:35

on to keep most of the gag order

2:37

in place and where Trump has

2:39

found a motion for in Gorin to recuse

2:41

himself yet again. We also

2:43

have an update in Fulton County where Trump

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has filed a response to Fawny Willis's motion

2:47

to dismiss the appeal, trying to boot her

2:49

off the case. Ah,

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Pete, where should we start today? Let's

4:29

go start in Fulton County. Now, last

4:31

week we discussed D.A. Fonney Willis's motion

4:34

to dismiss Trump's appeal to remove her

4:36

and her office from his case. She

4:39

argued that since Nathan Wade stepped down, there

4:41

was no longer any evidence supporting Trump's position.

4:43

Now, this week Trump filed

4:45

his response. Trump lawyers

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write, quote, without citation

4:50

to any applicable authority, the

4:52

state filed this Hail Mary

4:54

motion to dismiss these meritorious

4:57

appeals, accusing this court

4:59

of improvidently granting interlocutory review.

5:01

There is no proper procedural

5:04

vehicle for the state to re-litigate this

5:06

court's sound decision to hear the merits.

5:09

The state's attempt to do so conflicts

5:11

with applicable statutes and this court's rules.

5:14

And it's desperate bid to avoid

5:17

disqualification of a deeply conflicted district

5:19

attorney who is engaged in and

5:21

continues to unapologetically engage

5:23

in extra-dugical

5:25

forensic misconduct. The

5:28

state argues that the trial court's factual

5:30

findings were not clearly erroneous. According

5:33

to the state, then, this court is

5:35

powerless to overturn the trial court's order

5:37

denying the dismissal of the case and

5:40

the disqualification of district attorney Willis and

5:42

her office. Of course, as this

5:44

court knows, that has never been and is

5:46

not now the law. Both

5:49

the trial court, in granting the

5:51

certificate of immediate review, and this

5:53

court, in granting the interlocutory application,

5:55

have already determined these issues are

5:58

critical. The trial court's error is not clear. The error

6:00

in declining to disqualify the district

6:02

attorney in her office under these

6:04

circumstances is a structural error that

6:06

would, if left uncorrected by this

6:08

court, fatally infect all subsequent

6:10

proceedings and require later reversal of

6:13

any obtained conviction, all

6:15

at great wasted time and expense to

6:17

the courts, the parties, and the taxpayers.

6:20

This court's decision to grant the

6:22

interlocutory application was sound, responsible, and

6:25

appropriate. The motion should be denied."

6:29

And then Trump's lawyers concede, though, that the

6:31

court has dismissed stuff like this

6:33

in the past, but

6:36

only after full briefing

6:38

and hearings, right? They say, while

6:40

this court has on rare occasions

6:42

dismissed interlocutory and discretionary appeals for

6:44

improvident sua sponte, it has

6:46

only exercised this authority after full briefing on the

6:48

merits and with the benefit of oral argument if

6:50

granted. Obviously, at this point,

6:53

neither briefing nor oral argument has occurred,

6:55

although they do say this in a

6:57

briefing, which has occurred. So

7:00

they're saying, you know, sure, you've dismissed these

7:02

kinds of appeals before, but only after we

7:05

have full briefing and hearings. So at

7:07

least wait until then. That's basically what they're saying.

7:09

And then there's the conclusion and

7:11

the filing, by the way, signed by Steve Sadow,

7:14

Jennifer Little and Matthew Winchester

7:16

that says, the state has moved this court

7:18

to act contrary to statute and its own

7:20

rules. It ignores that the

7:22

issues to be raised in this appeal

7:24

are largely legal rather than factual, a

7:27

distinction that undercuts the logic of the state's own

7:29

argument. And in short, the state's motion is unsupported

7:31

by any relevant authority and has no basis in

7:33

law or fact. Appellants respectfully

7:35

request this court deny the state's

7:37

motion to dismiss. And

7:40

Pete, the crux of Trump's legal argument is

7:42

that this is the

7:45

facts at issue here in his, in

7:47

Trump's interlocutory appeal are matters of law. They're

7:50

legal matters, not factual matters. The

7:53

state's motion is at bottom. They

7:56

write a red herring. The state

7:58

devotes its entire motion to the standard. review of

8:00

the trial court's factual findings when all

8:02

or substantially all of the issues raised

8:04

in our appeal are legal issues subject

8:07

to de novo, not clearly erroneous

8:09

review. So that's what

8:11

they're arguing here. And they say, for

8:13

example, one of Trump's

8:16

primary issues challenges the trial

8:18

court's misinterpretation and misapplication of

8:20

Williams v. State. Specifically,

8:23

Trump challenges the trial court's interpretation

8:25

and application of the Williams v.

8:27

State's forensic misconduct standard applicable

8:29

to the DA's legally improper speech and

8:32

other established forensic prosecutorial misconduct,

8:35

including fraud upon the court

8:37

via false testimony under oath.

8:40

So basically, Trump is saying that he

8:42

takes issue with Judge McAfee's application of

8:44

a legal standard under Williams v. State

8:47

to Fonny Willis's speech at the

8:49

church and alleged false

8:52

testimony in the hearings. And

8:54

that makes Trump's challenge a matter of

8:56

law and not a matter of fact.

8:58

And because the focus of Trump's appeals

9:01

will be the legal errors, the

9:03

appellate court has the authority to review

9:06

and decide the appeal. So

9:08

it sounds to me like this

9:10

is actually probably one of the

9:12

cleanest arguments that Trump's lawyers have

9:15

made to date in any of his four

9:17

jurisdictions and beyond. I'm only talking about

9:19

the criminal ones. We know he

9:22

has many civil ones as well. But it

9:24

does seem that there are at

9:26

least some matters of law here

9:28

that need to be decided. And

9:31

because McAfee granted the certificate and

9:34

because the appellate court granted

9:36

interlocutory review, I

9:38

do feel like this

9:40

court will at least get the full

9:42

briefings and perhaps argument before

9:46

they dismiss this case based

9:48

on what Fonny Willis is saying. What do

9:50

you think? Yeah, I agree with you. I

9:52

agree with your chin in some of that

9:54

argument saying, hey, even when this happened, it

9:56

rarely if ever happens without both briefing and

9:58

oral arguments. So it seems clear to me

10:00

that they are. are looking for reasons as

10:02

they have repeatedly to simply delay things to

10:04

hopefully presumably get him into the White House,

10:06

at which point, even though it's a state

10:08

proceeding, they can at a minimum pause

10:11

it while he is in the White

10:13

House. Judge

10:15

McPhee is smart. He runs

10:17

a good courtroom. He understands the law.

10:19

I think even taking their arguments at face

10:21

value, and I don't think this is an

10:25

obviously BS frivolous filing that if

10:27

it is a function

10:29

of questions of

10:31

law, that Judge McPhee

10:33

nevertheless will have ruled

10:36

quite properly on issues of law, and I

10:38

would be surprised for him to be overturned.

10:41

But again, this is, I think, something that a

10:43

filing that at a minimum is

10:45

not going to injure ill will with the

10:47

court, and at best, they'll say, all right,

10:49

well, fine. Let's get

10:51

filings in. Let's schedule oral argument. And even if

10:53

you lose, that adds

10:56

months, who knows how long, to

10:58

the court calendar and delays

11:02

getting anything in the courtroom in

11:04

Fulton County for yet that much

11:06

longer. Yeah, and I think

11:08

it also ties up, it would

11:11

prevent an appeal on this

11:14

matter later. So I think it kind

11:16

of ties up that loose end, if that makes any sense.

11:20

Because Trump's lawyers mentioned that, hey, if you do this,

11:22

we'll appeal later. We're going to take up a lot

11:24

of taxpayer money and time because it's

11:26

a matter of law, not a matter of fact. And

11:29

this appeals court has jurisdiction

11:31

to decide matters of law

11:34

because we contend that McPhee

11:36

made a legal error, not a factual error

11:39

in his decision to keep Fonnie Willis on,

11:41

as long as one of

11:43

either her or Nathan Wade stepped down,

11:46

which is what eventually happened. So I

11:48

don't fault the DA for making the

11:50

filing. I actually

11:52

think that the appeals court should go

11:54

forward and decide this matter

11:57

after a briefing. arguments,

12:00

but I think that

12:02

they will end up dismissing this, but we will

12:04

see. We'll stay on top of it for you,

12:06

and then that would clean up any future appeals

12:09

on this very particular issue, which

12:11

again, like you said, would

12:13

waste a lot of additional time and

12:15

effort if there is a

12:17

conviction. So we will continue

12:20

to monitor this docket for you.

12:22

And also, if you need to, I highly

12:25

recommend, in fact,

12:27

I'm saying you do need to follow folks

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12:31

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12:36

Fulton County. So follow

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them on social media, turn on your notifications so

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that you can get the latest, and

12:42

we'll discuss them here on the show. All

12:44

right, we have a giant, beefy B-block today.

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12:49

break. B-block, the B stands for

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Manhattan and talk about Trump's bid

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to recuse judge and Goron from

19:11

his case yet again and

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Bragg's filing in support of leaving the gag

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order in place. Now, let's start

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with the gag order. Alvin Bragg writes, quote, the

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people oppose defendants motion to

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immediately and entirely terminate this

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court's orders restricting his extra

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judicial statements. This court

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entered those orders to protect

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three narrowly defined categories of

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participants in this criminal proceeding

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from the defendants inflammatory public

19:37

attacks. The appellate division

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agreed that these narrow restrictions were

19:41

appropriate to protect the quote fair

19:43

administration of justice in criminal cases,

19:46

unquote, and to ensure that

19:48

participants to the criminal proceeding remain,

19:50

quote, free from threats, intimidation, harassment,

19:52

and harm, unquote. The

19:55

filing continues. And just two

19:57

days ago, the Court of Appeals

19:59

dismissed defendants' attempted to appeal from

20:01

the appellate division order, quote, up

20:03

on the ground that no substantial

20:05

constitutional question is directly involved, unquote.

20:08

Defendants demand that this court

20:10

precipitously in these protections, even

20:13

before the sentencing hearing on July 11, is

20:16

overstated and largely unfounded. Yeah.

20:19

Yeah. And Brad goes on

20:21

to say, as a preliminary matter, many

20:24

of the defendant's complaints simply ignore the

20:26

narrowness of the court's orders, right? Because

20:28

Trump comes out swinging like he doesn't

20:30

want me to say anything ever, any

20:33

words I can't use. People come up

20:35

to me with tears in their eyes and say, you can't say words. And

20:38

it's ridiculous. But the filing

20:40

goes on to say, as the people have previously

20:42

explained, nothing in this order prohibits

20:44

Trump from broadly criticizing the

20:47

verdict, the criminal proceeding, the

20:49

district attorney, this court, and

20:51

more. And indeed, the

20:53

defendant has engaged in a flood of such

20:55

criticisms, both during the trial and after the

20:57

guilty verdict. Defendant thus

21:00

incontestably retains ample leeway to

21:02

engage in a significant amount

21:04

of speech to respond to

21:06

the defendant's, quote, opponents and

21:08

adversaries, including President

21:10

Biden, his campaign staff, his surrogates,

21:13

the White House press secretary, and

21:15

Robert De Niro. It's

21:17

just to name a few. But thus, he

21:20

continues, the relevant question is not whether the

21:22

orders prevent the defendant from speaking freely about

21:24

the case. They never have. But

21:26

instead, whether there is reason to

21:29

preserve the orders narrowly tailored protections

21:31

on specific participants in this criminal

21:33

proceeding. As explained below,

21:36

those reasons still exist for several of

21:38

the orders protections, though not all. And

21:42

Pete, I think this is very smart that

21:44

Alvin Bragg is saying most of the order

21:46

should remain in place, but not all of

21:48

it. What does the DA

21:50

think can come off the table in the gag

21:53

order? Yeah, right. So the DA

21:55

argues this as follows,

21:57

quote, the court should leave undisturbed.

22:00

of its April order prohibiting defendant

22:02

from quote, making or directing others

22:04

to make public statements about any

22:06

prospective juror or any juror

22:08

in this criminal proceeding, unquote. The

22:11

filing continues, the court should also maintain

22:14

the provisions of the order prohibiting defendant

22:16

from making or directing others to make

22:18

statements about counsel in the case, other

22:20

than the district attorney, court

22:22

and district attorney staff, or their

22:24

families that are intended quote, to

22:27

materially interfere with or to cause

22:29

others to materially interfere with counsels

22:31

or staffs work in this criminal

22:34

case, or with the

22:36

knowledge that such interference is likely to

22:38

result unquote. The

22:40

filing says finally, defendant seeks

22:43

termination of the provision restricting

22:45

his statements about quote, known

22:47

or reasonably foreseeable witnesses concerning

22:49

their potential participation in the

22:51

investigation or in this criminal

22:53

proceeding, unquote, per April order

22:56

four. The people agree

22:58

that this provision no longer

23:00

needs to be enforced. So what that

23:02

says essentially the DA is okay with

23:05

ending the limited gag order protections for

23:07

the trial witnesses, writing

23:09

quote, now that the jury

23:11

has delivered a verdict however, the compelling

23:13

interest in protecting the witness's ability to

23:16

testify without interference is no longer present.

23:19

The relevant balancing of interest has

23:21

thus shifted from the time

23:23

that this court issued the

23:25

orders restricting defendants extrajudicial statements.

23:28

This change of circumstance does not

23:30

mean that defendant has carte blanche

23:32

to resume his reprehensible practice of

23:35

publicly attacking individuals involved in litigation

23:37

against him. But protections

23:39

against such attacks will now derive

23:42

from separate criminal law protections

23:44

against harassment or similar misconduct, as

23:47

well as the prospect of civil liability for

23:49

defamation, intentional infliction of

23:51

emotional distress, or similar

23:53

claims, see Carol V. Trump

23:55

and Freeman V. Giuliani. So,

23:58

I mean, I think, you know, it's. Notations there. Right.

24:02

And so I think this is obviously

24:04

for the Michael Cohen's,

24:06

for the Stormy Daniels of the

24:08

world. I'm trying to think

24:10

if anybody else will potentially draw Trump's ire. I mean, he's

24:12

not going to go off on Hope Hicks. He's not going

24:14

to go off on David Pecker, but I

24:17

think it will appropriately, the

24:19

DA is saying, look, we're not

24:21

asking for all of this to continue, just those

24:23

things that are

24:26

subject to ongoing matters or

24:28

people like the jurors who, you know, they just

24:30

came in and did their duty and there's never

24:32

any appropriate time to attack them. So I

24:34

think it's very reasonable. I don't know what

24:37

Trump is going to, you know,

24:39

I'm certain he has things he wants

24:41

to say about Cohen. I don't know

24:43

if he's going to, you know, preparing

24:45

for the debate and sharks and electric

24:47

boats and showers that

24:49

don't sprinkle enough water fast enough and

24:51

the oatmeal mush that is

24:53

in his head. I don't know

24:55

where Cohen falls and all that, but seems

24:58

to be a pretty reasonable position

25:00

by the DA. Yeah,

25:02

I think the DA is right here too. Going

25:06

after Stormy Daniels and Cohen,

25:08

for example, is no longer something

25:11

that will chill their ability to testify

25:13

because they've already testified at this trial.

25:16

And he says if he goes after them

25:18

in some sort of illegal way, making illegal

25:21

threats, there's criminal law that would apply. And

25:23

if he goes after them defaming them, there's

25:25

defamatory civil action that can be had like

25:27

what E.G. Carroll did, like what

25:30

Ruby Freeman and Shay Moss did with Giuliani.

25:32

There are other remedies. We

25:34

don't need the gag order for the witnesses anymore. So I thought

25:36

that was very wise of

25:39

him to come back because honestly,

25:41

it was Trump's all or nothing

25:43

defense that sank him. So

25:46

it's good to see the prosecutors not taking an

25:48

all or nothing stance on the

25:51

remainder of time on this limited gag order.

25:54

Next up, Trump is calling

25:57

yet again for

25:59

Judge Ingraham. to recuse from

26:01

his case. Now this is, we're moving away from the

26:03

Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, we're going over to Judge Angoron

26:05

and Tish James. This is a $464 billion fraud case

26:09

where he got the Subprime Car Loan Guide a

26:12

front, a $175 million loan. Did

26:16

I say $464 billion? I meant million,

26:18

half a billion dollars. This

26:20

is where Trump and his surrogates attacked Judge

26:22

Angoron's daughter because she works for a firm

26:25

that has Democrats as clients because one time Judge

26:27

Angoron made a $35 campaign

26:30

contributions to a Democrat. But

26:32

now they have a new complaint that

26:35

they want to use to get Angoron

26:37

removed from the case. This is from

26:39

NBC 4 New York. Former President Trump's

26:41

legal team filed a motion Thursday calling

26:43

for Judge Arthur Angoron to

26:45

recuse from the civil fraud case. The

26:47

24-page filing said Angoron should step

26:50

aside in light of a state

26:52

judicial conduct investigation launched last month.

26:54

Sources familiar with the investigation said the

26:57

probe is examining whether Angoron engaged in

26:59

improper conversation about the case with an

27:01

expert real estate lawyer three weeks before

27:04

issuing his $454 million penalty ruling. That

27:09

lawyer is Adam Lightman Bailey

27:11

who unexpectedly revealed his alleged

27:13

interaction with Judge Angoron during

27:15

two taped TV interviews with

27:17

NBC New York in February.

27:20

Quote, I wanted him to know what I

27:22

think and why. I really want him to

27:24

get this case right. That's what Bailey said

27:26

in the interview, repeating that it

27:28

had been his intention to advise Angoron

27:30

about the law in the Trump

27:32

case and why harsh penalties would

27:34

be bad for business in New York.

27:37

Bailey later said, so it sounds like

27:39

he was trying to get

27:42

him to go light on Trump. Yes.

27:44

To go light on Trump. OK, cool.

27:47

Bailey later said he and the judge, quote, never

27:49

mentioned the word Donald Trump. But when asked if

27:51

it had been clear which case they had been

27:53

discussing, Bailey responded, well, obviously, we weren't talking about

27:55

the Mets. Now, in

27:57

their motion, the Trump legal team

27:59

said, WNBC. He's reporting on Bailey's

28:01

public statements, raises questions about outside

28:03

influence on the judge. Quote,

28:07

whereas here this court's impartiality might

28:09

reasonably be questioned under the circumstances,

28:11

it must recuse. Indeed, there are

28:14

no other means of dispelling the

28:16

shadow that now looms over this

28:18

court's impartiality. That's

28:20

Trump's filing because of a guy who tried

28:22

to get Judge Angoran to go easy on

28:24

Donald Trump. Now, a statement

28:26

from this court spokesman in February did not

28:29

deny that the conversation took place, but

28:31

implied the interaction was insignificant. Quote,

28:33

no ex parte conversation concerning this

28:36

matter occurred between Angoran and Bailey

28:38

or any other person. The

28:40

decision Justice Angoran issued in February

28:43

was his alone, it was deeply

28:45

considered, and was wholly uninfluenced by

28:47

this individual. That's Al Baker, spokesman

28:49

for New York State's Office of

28:52

Court Administration in a written statement.

28:54

After Bailey's on-camera interviews with WNBC

28:57

and the judge's broad written denial, the New

28:59

York State Commission on Judicial Conduct opened

29:01

an investigation last month, according to sources

29:04

familiar. And within weeks, the commission questioned

29:06

Bailey under oath about his claims. In

29:09

a statement, the State

29:11

Commission on Judicial Conduct, the

29:13

administrator Robert Tembekjin said,

29:16

quote, the commission on judicial conduct is

29:18

constrained by strict confidentiality statute and has

29:20

no comment on the matter. The

29:22

commission is collecting evidence to determine whether

29:25

Angoran violated the ethics rules and

29:27

ethics experts point out that the rules

29:29

do not prohibit abstract discussions of the

29:31

law and that the judges

29:34

are afforded discretion on deciding which contacts

29:36

must be disclosed. So, Pete,

29:38

do you think this is more about this

29:41

is an abstract, insignificant discussion or

29:43

could it come into play that this guy was

29:45

trying to get Angoran to go easy on Trump

29:47

or both? I certainly don't think

29:49

it was abstract. I think Bailey's intention was

29:51

absolutely to get him to go light on

29:53

Trump. I mean, but the point is that,

29:55

you know, it's the statement I Bailey sought

29:57

him out. Right. This is Bailey's.

30:00

I wanted him to know

30:02

what I think and why. So I sought out

30:04

the judge, I really wanted him to get it

30:07

right, and then I laid out all the reasons

30:09

that he should take it easy, hypothetically on some

30:11

individual because his harsh penalties are going to be

30:13

bad for business in New York. And

30:15

then, Ingorin turns around and

30:17

says, no ex parte conversation concerning

30:19

this matter occurred between Ingorin, Bailey,

30:21

or anybody else. So there were

30:23

no ex parte, meaning

30:25

alone without anybody else. And there was no

30:28

discussion, and I'm almost

30:30

metaphysically certain, Ingorin is not

30:32

going to lie or have the court, the

30:35

court spokesman lie about

30:37

that. So somebody of his

30:39

own court seeks out the judge, tells him what

30:41

he thinks in hypothetical ways, trying to get him

30:43

to go easy on Trump and somehow, and

30:46

does it in the company

30:48

of others and somehow

30:50

this is supposed to be prejudicial to Trump? I

30:52

mean, come on. It sounds like Trump sent him.

30:56

But yeah, so I don't, it's BS.

31:00

I don't think it's going to go anywhere. Again,

31:02

it's another little talking point. You know what this,

31:05

all this is, Alison? Can you see Trump telling

31:07

this guy Bailey a real estate guy, hey, go

31:09

tell the judge to go easy on me, would

31:11

you? Yeah, I'll- And then he does,

31:13

and then Trump says, he could talk to the judge,

31:15

you talk to the judge. Yeah, and this is all,

31:17

all of this, you know what

31:20

it is, it's a crime tax for Trump. All of this,

31:22

all the stuff down in Georgia, all the stuff down in

31:24

Florida, every one of those, the three attorneys who signed that

31:26

filing down in Fulton County,

31:28

the people here are filing this

31:30

stuff in Manhattan. All

31:32

of these people have to be paid

31:35

that money, probably, hopefully they're all at

31:37

this point, smart enough to get in advance rather than relying

31:39

on Trump to pay him at some point in the future.

31:41

All of that is coming out of

31:43

Trump's pocket, you know, from his donors,

31:46

of course, but it's not going into

31:48

Trump's campaign advertising and

31:50

it's certainly not going to

31:52

the down ballot congressional races

31:55

where, you know, Laura Trump is watching like

31:57

a hawk, you know, every single

31:59

penny coming in to the RNC and making

32:01

sure it goes to Donald

32:04

Trump. So it's absurd.

32:07

I guarantee it's not going to go anywhere, but it's

32:09

yet another team of lawyers that Trump has to cut

32:11

a check. It's yet another, I don't

32:13

know how many, but I doubt

32:15

these folks go for like the big $2,000 big

32:17

firm rates, but I think they're easily $800,000, $900, $1,100 an

32:20

hour. How

32:24

many does that take? $1,000 small

32:26

donor, red state folks, mom and pop down

32:28

in the, you know, Florida's,

32:32

you know, Gold Coast or wherever it is,

32:34

you know, chipping in when their social security

32:36

check comes in. It's

32:38

all getting paid for by them. Yeah.

32:41

And if I were a dogged investigative

32:43

journal, I might look in to see

32:46

if Brad Creight over

32:48

at Redcurve offers Bailey

32:50

a job consulting at that

32:52

LLC. By the way, that's

32:54

the LLC that offered Cassidy

32:56

Hutchinson a job and has

32:58

paid $8 million to Trump witnesses legal

33:00

fees. Or you know, maybe see if there's a

33:03

payment to Redcurve or the Save America pack from

33:06

them over to this Bailey fellow. I'd

33:08

be looking for that. Just my two cents.

33:12

But again, even if it was just

33:14

totally rando that this guy contacted the judge, told

33:16

him to go easy on Trump and then Trump

33:18

files this motion, even if it's

33:20

completely coincidental, I don't think that

33:23

this motion is going anywhere. And

33:26

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38:19

we had some big news in the fraudulent

38:21

Elector scheme cases both in Nevada and Arizona

38:23

But first a story breaking

38:25

today as we record this about

38:27

an arrest at the Maricopa County

38:30

ballot Tabulation Center and

38:32

this is from Arizona family

38:34

channels three and five a temporary

38:37

election worker has been arrested After

38:39

allegedly stealing an item from the Maricopa

38:42

County Tabulation and Election Center last week

38:45

Walter Ringfield 27

38:48

faces charges of theft and criminal damage Deputy

38:50

elections director Jennifer Leewer was not able

38:53

to provide additional information about the stolen

38:55

item or its potential impact on upcoming

38:57

elections Leewer said when

39:00

completing daily inventory on Friday morning elections

39:02

workers noticed an item had been taken

39:04

from the ballot Tabulation Center on Thursday

39:06

night They took action to investigate

39:08

the theft and contacted the Maricopa County Sheriff's

39:10

Office The stolen item

39:12

has been recovered and there is

39:15

an ongoing criminal investigation and Pete

39:17

in a recent update From an election

39:20

reporter in Arizona named Jen Fifield.

39:22

I don't know if

39:24

it's Fifield or Fifield Sorry if I'm mispronouncing

39:26

that And she reports the

39:28

item that was stolen was a wrist

39:30

lanyard with a security fob and keys

39:33

attached And that's according to the

39:35

police report from the arrest Now

39:37

I looked up on

39:39

my own. Let me guess Walter Looked

39:43

up Walter and it appears he has

39:45

deleted his Facebook account His

39:48

Instagram account sure sure and his Twitter

39:51

account. Yeah, of course, but but

39:54

a Truth social account

39:56

that appears to belong to him is still up. Let's be

39:59

very proud of it it. And

40:01

it includes posts from the Epic

40:03

Times, which is their CEO

40:06

was just arrested for money laundering. Gateway

40:08

Pundit, which is filed for bankruptcy and

40:11

Cacturd. There's

40:13

even a post that he re-troofed

40:16

that says, God bless you, President

40:19

Trump. I've handed

40:21

this plethora of

40:24

social media information on Walter

40:27

Ringfield over to Midas Touch,

40:30

because I know they have some pretty cool

40:32

investigative social media gurus over there to dig

40:34

into more. So we'll see

40:36

what they come up with. But just on

40:39

a cursory search by me, I found

40:41

that his Arizona State University profile had

40:43

links to all of his social media

40:45

accounts where I was able to look

40:47

at all of them, all

40:49

which have been deleted except True Social. And there

40:51

will be either pictures or images of Trump with

40:53

Jesus standing

41:01

behind him or riding a lion or

41:03

wearing a crown in the temple or

41:05

whatever. God, every time, every

41:08

time, every time, the minute you said it, I'm like, I'm

41:11

going to make a little mental

41:13

wager about which side of the

41:15

political spectrum this guy interfering and

41:17

stealing from the electoral process falls

41:19

on in June. I mean, we're

41:21

not even to the primaries

41:24

yet. We're not to the conventions yet. And

41:26

folks are already busy at work in

41:29

swing states stealing stuff, shockingly,

41:33

Cacturd, Gateway Pundit,

41:35

craziness. Hopefully,

41:37

he's got some nifties. Hopefully, he bought the entire

41:39

set of the Trump NFTs so he gets that

41:41

little square inch of the suit

41:44

that Trump wore when he was booked at

41:46

Fulton County. Hopefully, he's- Yeah. We'll see what

41:48

Midas comes up with. I only scrolled through

41:50

the first 10 posts on

41:54

True Social for this guy. Maybe

41:57

he got some sneakers. I don't

41:59

know. We'll see. So everybody

42:01

follow my touch. If you're not, I think they

42:03

might be able to uncover some pretty cool stuff.

42:07

Yeah, unbelievable. Unbelievable. I just,

42:09

I can't even.

42:11

So let's stay in Arizona. For

42:14

more news, and this is a story from

42:17

Vaughn Hilliard at NBC. Donald

42:19

Trump's presidential campaign moved this week

42:21

to quash a potential disturbance at

42:24

next month's GOP convention in

42:26

Milwaukee by seeking to replace. Horrible

42:28

city. Yes,

42:31

lovely city. I am

42:33

a fan of Milwaukee. I'm like president. I

42:35

love Milwaukee as well. Former president Trump. And

42:38

this is to prevent seeking or replacing

42:41

six delegates to the convention who

42:44

they thought were potentially going to

42:46

initiate what they called unnecessary distractions

42:49

on the floor. John

42:52

Fenle, the Trump campaigns convention

42:54

delegate selection director, plays phone

42:56

calls to six of the

42:58

campaigns alternate delegates in

43:01

Arizona. Haven't you had enough trouble with

43:03

alternate delegates? Didn't there enough? Didn't

43:05

you learn your lesson back in 2020

43:08

that alternate delegates, nevertheless, John Fenle, plays

43:10

calls to six of the campaigns, quote

43:12

unquote, alternate delegates in Arizona and requested

43:14

that they challenge the status of six

43:16

delegates to the convention out of concern

43:19

for their loyalty to Trump. Yeah,

43:22

Pete, if you get a call from the Trump

43:24

campaign asking you to be an alternate delegate. I'll

43:26

be an alternate delegate. Yes, I will. Yes, I

43:28

will. I will do it. I will not sign

43:31

a faucet slate, but I will be, and

43:33

it appears though. This gets starts getting really

43:35

interesting because I don't know what to make

43:38

of it. I don't know how much of

43:40

it is exaggeration, but it is very much

43:42

a game of thrones sort of like palace

43:45

intrigue because it appears the Arizona

43:47

Republican delegates were planning to disrupt

43:50

the convention to push for Mike

43:52

Flynn to be Trump's VP

43:54

pick and the Trump campaign was considering

43:56

replacing them. Days later,

43:59

however, campaign abandoned efforts

44:01

to replace the delegates saying it

44:03

cleared the air with the delegates who

44:05

sparked the concerns after days of deliberation.

44:09

On Tuesday night, shortly after

44:11

the Trump campaign sought these initial

44:13

delegate challenges, Patrick Byrne,

44:16

close ally of Flynn, funder

44:20

of Maria Butina's Duma run

44:22

in Russia, posted

44:24

on X about the prospect of Flynn

44:26

serving as Trump's vice president. Byrne,

44:29

the former overstock.com CEO, met

44:31

with Trump and Flynn and

44:33

Rudy and Sidney Powell in the Oval Office

44:36

in December 2020 as part of a push

44:38

to overturn the 2020 election results. In

44:41

a statement sent internally among Arizona's convention

44:43

delegates that was obtained by NBC News,

44:46

Bush wrote, quote, as a result of what

44:48

has happened over the last few days, I've

44:50

been in touch with the Trump campaign and

44:52

assured them, neither me or

44:55

anyone I influence will participate in

44:57

any disruption to the convention, including

45:00

challenging the rules, platform

45:02

programming, or otherwise. We

45:05

had no intention to do so and

45:07

absolutely will not unquote God

45:09

forbid, because at the end of the day, as

45:12

a grifter, the last thing you do

45:14

is kill the cash cow. So they

45:16

are not, there's too much sweet, money

45:19

coming in through merch sales, signing

45:22

up for speeches and

45:24

VIP receptions, vitamin supplements,

45:27

flags, bibles, sneakers,

45:31

sneakers. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

45:34

Wow. So that's interesting. It sounds like

45:37

there was some weird push

45:39

to get delegates

45:41

to try to make Mike Flynn

45:43

the VP pick and cause

45:45

shenanigans at the convention

45:48

in Milwaukee. But

45:50

apparently the Trump campaign put that

45:52

to bed, quashed it, and they're going

45:54

with their original delegates as

45:56

if they could find anyone willing

45:58

to be alternate. delegates from

46:01

the state of Arizona. Now I

46:04

know delegates are different than electors, but still, come

46:07

on. Now next up

46:09

heading over to Nevada with this story

46:11

from the Associated Press. A Nevada state

46:13

court judge dismissed the criminal indictment Friday

46:15

against six Republicans accused of submitting certificates

46:18

to Congress falsely declaring Trump the winner

46:20

of that state's 2020 presidential

46:22

election, potentially killing the

46:25

case with a ruling that state

46:27

prosecutors chose the wrong venue. Nevada

46:29

Attorney General Aaron Ford stood in

46:32

a Las Vegas courtroom a moment

46:34

after Clark County District Court Judge

46:36

Mary Kay Holtus delivered her

46:38

ruling declaring that he would take this

46:40

case directly to the state Supreme

46:42

Court. He said the judge

46:44

got it wrong and will be appealing immediately.

46:47

That's what Ford said afterward.

46:49

He declined any additional comment. The

46:51

judge called off trial, which had been

46:53

scheduled for January. Defense attorneys

46:56

contend that Ford improperly brought the

46:58

case in Las Vegas instead of

47:00

Carson City or Reno, Northern

47:02

Nevada cities closer to where

47:04

the alleged crime occurred. They

47:07

also accused prosecutors of failing to present

47:09

to the grand jury evidence

47:11

that would have exonerated their clients

47:13

and said their clients had no intent

47:16

to commit a crime. Now

47:18

we will keep you posted on the disposition

47:20

of this case, but as for now it

47:22

is canceled maybe he'll bring

47:24

it file it again in

47:26

a different venue, but it sounds

47:29

like for now he's going to appeal directly

47:31

to the state Supreme Court arguing

47:34

that Las Vegas is the proper venue for

47:36

this case. We'll let you know what happens.

47:38

What do you think Pete? That's interesting because

47:41

I saw I hadn't seen until just now

47:43

the update about appealing straight to the Supreme

47:45

Court. I did see that the judge rejected

47:47

it. I wasn't sure if that was, you

47:49

know, and it would be

47:51

hard to believe that the state prosecutor

47:54

would make a mistake like that. So it's

47:57

interesting that Ford is saying, look, I'm gonna,

47:59

we're gonna appeal. this all the way up and we'll

48:01

see how it falls. I mean, if it would

48:03

be interesting is if the Supreme Court says, no, no,

48:05

you've absolutely got venue there and you have to go

48:07

back in front of the judge who dismissed it. Hopefully

48:09

the judge is professional enough

48:11

to not carry any ill will

48:13

about getting smacked down a la

48:15

Eileen Cannon style, but we'll see

48:17

what happens. I have not seen

48:19

anything indicating that the

48:22

judge is some hyper partisan player just

48:24

that he dismissed it based on

48:26

his opinion that there wasn't venue there. Maybe

48:29

a couple of her fellow judges will say, maybe

48:31

you should step aside. If

48:37

the Cannon thing couldn't get any

48:39

more bizarre as we sit

48:41

here today, they're in a hearing right now

48:43

for a motion that was filed in February

48:46

to dismiss the entire case based on the

48:49

inappropriate and unconstitutional appointment and funding

48:51

of special counsel, which is a

48:53

very easy no. This was

48:56

filed four months ago, Pete, and that

48:58

was after the deadline was pushed from

49:00

last July to file this motion. So

49:03

this motion is four months old and

49:05

she's having hearings on

49:08

it, along with hearings

49:10

on Jack Smith and Jay Bratt's

49:13

limited gag order, which actually is

49:15

really a modification of the bail

49:18

conditions to get Donald Trump

49:20

to stop saying that the FBI was trying

49:22

to assassinate him by misquoting and lying about

49:24

their standard operations form on

49:28

the limitations of the use

49:31

of deadly force during a

49:33

lawfully executed search warrant. It's

49:35

just bonkers what she's

49:38

done to that docket. Nine months it

49:40

took to litigate redactions

49:42

on a thing that happened with Stanley

49:44

Woodward in an interview. You could

49:46

have become pregnant and had a child

49:48

in the time it's taken

49:50

her to do. And in the

49:52

style of the late Johnny Carson and the great

49:55

Karnak where they have that huge hat and on

49:57

the seal envelope with the answer, I guarantee what

49:59

comes out of this is

50:01

an opinion trashing the special counsel's

50:03

office, their lack of professionalism, their

50:05

lack of respect, their amateur hour,

50:07

and at the end of the

50:09

day, Grant's doing largely what they

50:11

want. The convoluted, confusing case. Case and...

50:14

The fact that they haven't handed over discovery fast enough,

50:16

all kinds of just... And say,

50:18

well, but we're going to rule that way.

50:23

Also she is not subject to appeal and

50:25

can still at the 11th hour when a

50:28

jury is seated, you know, do

50:30

something horrible and throw the case out. But

50:33

that's my guess. Yeah, she's not going to

50:35

do anything that'll force her up to the

50:37

11th circuit. They're already mad at her. Yeah.

50:41

Yep. I'm fingers crossed she dismisses this case on

50:43

some bullshit. Like I've been like,

50:45

please, please, something

50:48

we can take to the 11th circuit. So the 11th circuit

50:50

can say GTFO. Somebody,

50:52

I don't know if it was Mark Elias, somebody

50:54

said, look, don't appeal it. Just go refile it

50:56

because you go and if it's dismissed, fine. Go

50:58

back and refile it in a different district because

51:00

that way you're not... You

51:02

don't have to worry about the appeals court turning

51:05

around and overturning and getting back to her. Just

51:07

go, you know, refile and

51:10

that... You'd have to refile in the same

51:12

district though. Not at Palm Beach and you would

51:14

still end up with a three in one chance or one in three

51:16

chance of getting the case again. You know

51:18

what, compared to then what's she

51:20

going to do? Delay it past the election again? Right.

51:24

Come on. I mean, the 33% chance you

51:26

end up with her again and then you

51:28

just... She throws it out again and you

51:30

take it to the 11th circuit again or

51:33

instead the second time. I

51:35

just... She drives it down. We just got it.

51:39

So far we don't have one. We just

51:41

have endless, endless delay, which is immunity

51:43

by delay, which is what the Supreme

51:45

Court is doing with

51:47

the DC case as well. Though maybe probably

51:50

not today, Wednesday as you're listening to this,

51:52

will we get an immunity decision? I

51:54

still expect that decision to come Friday, the very

51:56

last day and maybe even be pushed into next

51:59

week. But we

52:01

will be getting decisions from the Supreme Court

52:03

Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday of this week. Supposedly,

52:06

we should be able to get

52:08

all of the decisions on two-box

52:10

days for each of those. A

52:13

box is what they hand the decisions printed out

52:15

in, and a box can usually hold like one

52:17

to three, depending on how

52:19

fat they are, decisions,

52:22

maybe four. So

52:24

if we get three

52:26

two-box days, we could clear

52:28

the rest of this docket. But we'll see. I

52:31

don't expect the immunity or the Fisher decision

52:33

today, Wednesday. I've been

52:35

expecting them on the very last day of

52:38

decisions being handed down. We'll see what happens.

52:40

And we'll be covering that, obviously, on the Jack podcast

52:43

with Andy McCabe this weekend. All

52:45

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that, let's have a little fun. Can

58:00

Judge Walker dissented? What?

58:03

No surprise. No surprise. I

58:06

mean, he's very Trumpy between he and Judge Henderson.

58:08

I mean, there are elements of the DC Circuit

58:10

Court of Appeals who are very willing

58:13

and Judge Rao. Some folks,

58:15

judges on there. I mean, the thing on Bonk, the

58:17

entire DC Circuit Court of Appeals is still

58:21

right thinking in my opinion, but there's a little

58:23

bit of craziness and I don't know what Judge

58:25

Walker was thinking. Well, I think

58:27

I suspect I may have some idea, but... I

58:30

couldn't really understand his dissent. He

58:33

was like, basically, he decided that

58:35

Bannon should be allowed to stay out of

58:37

prison pending this appeal, like

58:40

through them, which was just denied.

58:42

So maybe he thought he should get a couple extra days

58:45

to go to the Supreme Court. I

58:47

couldn't really make sense of it, but regardless,

58:50

it was 2-1 and as

58:53

of the recording of this episode, Bannon

58:55

is still required to report to prison on

58:58

July 1st. Four days as you're listening to this.

59:03

Now Bannon, didn't you reach out to the

59:05

Supreme Court? He did. He did. He

59:09

did. Ask him to get a move on. I only

59:11

got less on the way. Hurry up, Supreme Court. I

59:13

know you might be busy right now, this time of

59:15

year. I don't know, but me, me,

59:18

me, me, me. I

59:22

imagine it'll go the way of Navarro, which

59:24

should be the new phrase, go in the way of the dodo,

59:26

but I assume they'll be

59:29

like, no, go, ha ha,

59:31

no, go away. Yeah.

59:35

And so with that, I don't, if

59:38

he goes, and I assume he will go

59:41

to Danbury. Now Jeff Clark is taking issue

59:43

with the fact that Bannon isn't being sent

59:45

to Club Fed, but he has to go

59:47

to a low security facility. Now again, keep

59:50

in mind, yes, this Danbury was where Orange

59:52

is the New Black, the genesis of that

59:54

book and then Netflix series, but it is

59:56

not, this is not

59:58

some hardcore. watch your back

1:00:01

sort of prison. But what is interesting that

1:00:03

Jeff Clark is taking issue with is that

1:00:05

Bannon might have to stay at Rikers if

1:00:08

his trial in Manhattan proceeds in September. Now,

1:00:10

talking about an all-star cast, while

1:00:13

speaking to Real America's voice host

1:00:15

Jack Posobiec on Wednesday, and I

1:00:18

forget which is, is Posobiec the one with

1:00:20

the massive potato head and the two tiny

1:00:22

eyes close to each other? Is that the,

1:00:24

that's, that I can't keep him and Charlie

1:00:26

Kirk and Bitch Shapiro. They

1:00:28

all like match slaps. Oh,

1:00:30

it's the old grabby guy

1:00:32

who's like making male interns

1:00:34

uncomfortable by assaulting them allegedly.

1:00:36

But anyway, while speaking

1:00:39

with Posobiec on Wednesday, Clark claimed,

1:00:41

quote, they want to send Steve

1:00:43

Bannon even to Rikers Island, or

1:00:46

they're going to send him to a place where

1:00:48

he's going to be like in a communal lockup.

1:00:50

You know, when he's 70 years

1:00:53

old, you know, roughly, unquote,

1:00:55

he said. Wasn't

1:00:57

that the argument that Bill Barr made

1:00:59

somebody make about Roger Stone? So

1:01:02

old. He's not old. He's

1:01:04

an old man. We can't send him

1:01:06

to old. This is unreasonable to have

1:01:08

a sense this bad Clark offered two

1:01:11

things. How's he going to get his

1:01:13

hair cut, you know, if he's in

1:01:15

prison? How's he going to have his head

1:01:17

pointed or whatever he does to it? Exactly.

1:01:19

Exactly. I don't understand. But remind

1:01:21

us what

1:01:23

the trial in Manhattan in September

1:01:25

is, because so

1:01:28

far I haven't seen a filing to

1:01:30

continue that trial supposed to start in

1:01:32

September. Manhattan DA with Judge Juan Marchelin.

1:01:35

But it's about something different than

1:01:38

this contempt. Right.

1:01:40

And so this is about the if

1:01:42

you think back to like build the

1:01:44

wall that Steve Bannon allegedly defrauded a

1:01:47

huge number of people who donated

1:01:50

to a campaign that see

1:01:52

Bannon as part of saying, hey, donate and

1:01:54

this money will go to building a wall

1:01:56

along the U.S.-Mexico border. And he

1:01:58

pleaded. I mean, there's several charges. money laundering, conspiracy,

1:02:00

scheming to defraud $15 million

1:02:03

in donations to what is We Build

1:02:06

the Wall. That was the name of

1:02:08

the fundraising campaign. It's

1:02:11

still there, and if he is going

1:02:13

to have to come

1:02:15

down and appear, I suppose, I mean,

1:02:17

Danbury's in Western Connecticut. I don't think there's

1:02:19

an easy way to get him to and

1:02:22

from there every day, but we'll

1:02:24

see what happens. I don't think that they're going

1:02:26

to just delay the

1:02:28

case when he can show up and keep

1:02:30

him local and bring him in so

1:02:33

he can face trial. Now

1:02:36

Clark offered two conspiracy theories

1:02:38

to explain Bannon's prison assignment saying, quote,

1:02:40

either they're so evilhearted they want to

1:02:42

see harm come to him or because

1:02:45

the conditions of the lockdown will be

1:02:47

so extreme that he won't even be

1:02:50

able to communicate to the outside

1:02:52

world, you know, to the war

1:02:55

room posse to communicate those who

1:02:57

will run the show in his

1:02:59

absence, Clark noted and

1:03:02

continued, and this shows you

1:03:04

that the real objective is to take him

1:03:06

off the field, to take one of our

1:03:08

most effective political players and leaders off the

1:03:10

field during the key

1:03:12

last four months before the

1:03:14

election. Hey, Jeffy, Jeffy, you

1:03:16

know what wouldn't have taken C Bannon

1:03:18

off the field for the

1:03:20

last four months before the election if

1:03:23

he just would have taken his lumps

1:03:25

for violating the law and refusing to

1:03:27

honor a subpoena and just gone to

1:03:29

jail instead of this mind

1:03:31

numbing long process of appeal. He would

1:03:33

have long since been out just like,

1:03:35

just like, uh, knucklehead Navarro is going

1:03:38

to be out in no time now.

1:03:40

The only reason he's going to be there is

1:03:43

of his own making. And I

1:03:45

know that's complicated as an environmental

1:03:48

attorney who, you know, God knows what he

1:03:51

did at DOJ, the presumptive attorney general

1:03:53

under, uh, at the end of the Trump administration

1:03:56

and perhaps the attorney general in the next Trump

1:03:58

administration, who knows the. The entire reason

1:04:00

Steve Bannon is going to be off

1:04:02

the field, so to speak, is because of Steve

1:04:04

Bannon's own actions. Yes.

1:04:07

Yeah. I mean, you know, call

1:04:09

us when there's an oil spill, I think, was the quote

1:04:13

from Hirschman who testified to the January

1:04:15

6th committee, one of the many lawyers

1:04:18

who testified to the January

1:04:20

6th committee. He was the one

1:04:22

with the giant panda art behind him and the

1:04:24

justice bat and the three silver child

1:04:26

sculptor. Interesting wings, yeah, for sure. And

1:04:30

everybody was talking about that. Yeah,

1:04:32

this is, I am going to go

1:04:34

ahead and bet anyone

1:04:37

who's interested a dollar that Steve

1:04:39

Bannon will be reporting to

1:04:42

Danbury on July 1st. And

1:04:44

I am very interested in

1:04:47

whether or not he will

1:04:49

be required to go

1:04:52

on trial. He's facing

1:04:54

years, years in prison in the We Build

1:04:56

the Wall scheme in Manhattan because,

1:04:58

you know, he was pardoned federally, but

1:05:02

because of a new law

1:05:04

that was signed into

1:05:06

effect, signed

1:05:09

into law in New York, there's no

1:05:12

double jeopardy problems here because of sovereignty.

1:05:14

It was too late for Manafort. Remember

1:05:16

they wanted to bring charges against Manafort

1:05:18

and Manhattan. They said, sorry, the law

1:05:21

didn't go into effect fast enough, but

1:05:23

it did for Bannon. So

1:05:25

he is going to be on trial. It'll be interesting

1:05:27

to see if they actually push that back or if

1:05:29

they keep it on schedule and drag him up to

1:05:31

Rikers. Yeah. And keep in mind,

1:05:33

this is a criminal trial, right? This is not some

1:05:36

misdemeanor. This is not some civil case. This is a

1:05:38

criminal felony counts that he's been

1:05:40

charged with. And I'm still, I am

1:05:42

still waiting for some

1:05:44

federal charges of some sort coming out of New

1:05:46

York relating to all

1:05:49

the stuff Bannon was doing with

1:05:51

Guo Wingi. And I don't

1:05:54

know if they're waiting for the trial to get done. Maybe

1:05:56

they don't have enough to make a case, but

1:05:58

in my opinion Bannon was so in

1:06:00

deep with Guo and so dirty, I

1:06:04

wouldn't be surprised to see

1:06:06

additional criminal charges coming down the

1:06:09

pike. But maybe not. Maybe that's

1:06:11

just having overconfidence in what

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the feds have against Bannon. Yeah.

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All right. That is our show. Tune

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in next week as we'll cover some

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breaking news like this that just came

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across my feed. X Michigan

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GOP chair has court of

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appeals to overturn her ouster. That's,

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you know, Christina Caramo. She was the one

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who was

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kicked off the GOP and decided she

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wasn't and continued to be

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like just sort of act as. So

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that'll be an interesting story. We'll cover that.

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And of course, we will talk to you

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this weekend about whatever Supreme Court decisions come

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down the pike Wednesday

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and Thursday because we record our

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bonus episode usually on Thursday

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afternoon. I don't know. Maybe we could push it to Friday

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before we have our happy hour for cleanup

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patrons at 7 p.m. Eastern for

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Pacific. Maybe we can record our bonus after

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we get the Friday Supreme Court decisions too.

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We can rant and swear about those. And

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the debate. And the debate. Either

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way. Either way, we'll see. We'll see

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you. Yeah, that's right.

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Thursday night is the debate. Oh,

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oh, that's going to be

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so just chaos.

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I know they're going to have mute when

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they aren't talking. I

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still you know, I talk to a debate expert

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because actually Biden won the coin toss. And when

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you win the coin toss, you get to pick

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whether you want to choose podium position or a

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final word. And Biden said, I want to choose

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podium position and I choose the right position, the

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position on the right, which is stage left. But

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it's the right as you're looking at it and

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let Trump pick whether

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he wanted the final word or not, which he did because

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there's an advantage to having the final word. And I asked

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a debate expert.