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This is Coda Radio, episode 569 for May 8th, 2024. Well

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hello friend, welcome in to Jupiter Broadcasting's weekly

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Hello Mike. Hello. Hello

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sir, now you just got in. Yep,

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just got off the plane. Now

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I don't know if this is connected, but

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were you on a United Airlines flight by

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any chance? I was, I was. Huh, huh,

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because I see that a man

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was just hit with a $20,000 fine for being belligerent on the airplane,

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and according to the TSA, this

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person is going to be, has been let go and

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is now home, but has to pay them $20,000. This

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happened, just happened on United Airlines, do you know anything about

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this? Are you implying it was me?

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I mean, you know, I'm

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not saying when I hear the term belligerent on an

1:06

airplane, I think of you, but... Oh

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no, I'm a great passenger because I sleep. Oh you

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do, you can do the sleep thing. I sleep the

1:13

entire flight, yep. I gotta

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be a little drunk to sleep. I can't

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sleep sober on the plane. It's the opposite, see

1:19

if I have something, I think it's the sugar

1:21

content keeps me awake. Oh. But

1:24

yeah, I know I slept, I

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just came back from NYC API

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days, or API days NYC. Okay.

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Yeah, it was pretty, pretty nice. Got

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a ticket to that courtesy of RapidAPI. Yeah,

1:37

I have a few things

1:39

about the show. It was a

1:41

little, I will say the folks who put it on,

1:44

maybe need to be a little more conservative

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in how many people they allow

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as attendees. Oh. Because

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it got to the point where they were over

1:53

capacity, and you

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had to wait quite a long time to actually get in,

1:58

and I spent a good part of it. with

2:00

a number of other people basically

2:02

doing an alt-conf at a local

2:04

cafe. No kidding. No. I

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mean how many people are we talking, do you know? I

2:09

don't know what the actual legal capacity for

2:11

the space was, but there was,

2:13

when I got there, there were quite a few of

2:15

us just waiting in the lobby. I mean, were we

2:17

talking like total attendees in like the tens of thousands?

2:20

No, I don't think so. You know, it's funny

2:22

because I just did Linux Fest Northwest and I

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would bet you there was five, six

2:26

hundred people at the conference. Wow. Yeah.

2:30

So it's a little bit different scale. There's

2:32

pretty much a spot for everybody at that

2:34

size. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, it

2:38

was an interesting setup, but certainly

2:40

a success for the folks

2:42

putting the concert on. I mean, if

2:44

you have so many people that you can't fit them, that's...

2:47

Yeah. And did you get anything out of

2:49

it? Yeah, I got a couple takeaways. One

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of them was so banal that I was kind of

2:54

like, ugh, but... So

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that they had kind of two groups of people going, right? Like

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I said, three technical people, people on the

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IT management side, and then developers. And

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just the level of sphincter-clenching

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fear among the first

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two of those folks, particularly the first one,

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the just business folks, regarding

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security. Like I felt... I'm

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not going to name names, but I felt there were a couple

3:19

vendors there who were basically using scare

3:22

tactics. Oh, yeah. Okay, interesting.

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I've definitely seen that in my day.

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So it's great to hear that's still

3:29

going on. Meanwhile, good backups and data

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restoration practices would solve for 90% of

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malware. I mean, ransomware instances. That's

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fine. Yeah. It was...

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The conference was focused on leveraging

3:40

third-party APIs. One

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of the main sponsors putting up

3:44

the conference was a company called Rapid API. Thanks

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again for the ticket, folks. They allow

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you as a developer to basically

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break off an API that other

3:53

developers or organizations can consume and

3:56

pay you, right? So they're like an app

3:58

store for APIs almost. So,

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but there was of course, you

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know, the security consultants were there.

4:05

You know, it's funny, right? It's, you

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would think we were a hop and a

4:10

skip and a jump away from your chatbot

4:12

who's collecting leads through HubSpot. From

4:14

that to like hacking all your systems and

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taking over your organization. It's

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just so ludicrous. That's

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what they're pitching it. Yeah, and the normal

4:23

data leak stuff. I mean, I

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remember these security bullsh** things like the

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no offense to the Microsoft use, but

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that the like Microsoft MVP consultant guys used

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to be like, oh, if you use Apache,

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you're an open source. God

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knows where your data is going to end up. Oh

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yeah, that used to drive us open source heads

4:42

crazy. Linux users would get into a boil over

4:44

it. So it's – but it

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was definitely effective. I mean, those sessions were

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booked. You

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know, no one gets fired for being too

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careful. And it also – it's an easy

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sell to management. Hey, I'm going to go

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to this conference and one

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of the things I'm going to be sure I do

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while I'm there is I'm going to listen to this

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talk that goes into API security or whatever it might

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be. Well, it's also I found over the

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years, it's an effective way for

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managers who want to either retain headcount

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or just capital, don't want

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to project – want it to be allocated

5:19

to a different division or whatever team for

5:22

them to basically kill projects. So,

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oh, we can't do that because what if

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this third party vendor gets ahold of customer data

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and you're like a printer

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company, right? You know, we

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really – what the lesson here is that you and I

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should have opened up some sort of security

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consulting chatbot company a couple of years

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ago when we saw the direction this

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stuff was going. Yeah. And

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just did a hard focus on security. It's funny

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just real quick. When I got back

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on the train after the end of the day in New

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York, I was thinking there is probably

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a niche for like a

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small consultancy of quote, you

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know, auditing. Automation Security Consultants where all

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you do is you give managers

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who want to say no to

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other divisions projects reasons to

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say no. Yeah, you got to be careful with

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the marketing because you can't just be like right

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out front saying that's what you do, but you

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word it in a way where those that are

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looking for such a thing will recognize and employ

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your services. Right. That's

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man, that'd be a great business. I

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love saying no to people's ideas. It's

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one of my new things, you know, no, take more time. Don't

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do that. I mean, that's all about

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that. Let's be, we got to do your thoughtful

6:32

triangle, right with your fingers. Let's

6:35

really consider the implications thoughtfully. Yeah.

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So, but I guess what I'm taking

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away from your takeaway is there's like

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an entire meta industry sitting above

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everybody's API's that's trying to come

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up with ways to pay for

6:48

usage, discovery, like

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the bundling and selling of different

6:54

companies API's is now its own

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business and it's a

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big business. Yeah, it seems like it's a pretty

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big business. It's interesting, right?

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Because it on the one hand, a thing

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I don't like about going the rapid API

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route is it is the

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app storefication of these, you know, the

7:11

functionality, which one

7:14

of the like a very common

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sales tactic for, you

7:18

know, things that are automation is

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to offer something relatively cheap and

7:23

then kind of they call it land that expands. And

7:26

I wonder if going through like a rapid API or

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in one of these other, should

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we call them stores or like exchanges?

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Middleware store. Yeah, middleware

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stores. Like, do you really own the customer at

7:38

that point? Can you have the opportunity to get

7:40

in the meeting and like, oh,

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we also offer custom software development, right?

7:46

Right. You're like, you're

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asking where do they extract future

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monetization from as their shareholders will

7:52

inevitably demand that they continue to grow

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and expand or if not shareholders, their

7:57

investors? Well, not only that, but like for the ISVs

7:59

of the world. like us, right? You

8:01

have things that are profitable and things that

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are still relatively profitable,

8:07

but they're your foot in the

8:09

door offering. I almost feel like doing

8:12

something like that might jeopardize

8:15

the ability to get larger projects, I guess is

8:17

what I'm saying. Yeah, I can see

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that too. I guess

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it's inevitable in a way

8:25

if just about every service and

8:27

every large-sized business needs to have an

8:30

API. I guess there was always going

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to be API brokers. It's

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just so weird to me. Well, and being a middleman is

8:36

a great business, right? Because if you think about it. Yeah.

8:39

Key point is they are not posting your code.

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You are still hosting your own API code.

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10:28

Great AI Mike. It's just just around

10:30

the corner and I remember when GPT

10:33

3 came out and we

10:35

saw a chat dot Open AI comm

10:37

whatever it is launch and everybody started

10:39

using it The free count was

10:41

just GPT 3 and almost almost immediately

10:43

they started teasing how

10:45

much better GPT 4 was and So

10:49

many models were being compared against GPT 4 as they

10:51

came out and of course as a

10:53

pleb that doesn't pay for open AI Services, I'm

10:55

still on GPT 3. I haven't even seen GPT

10:57

4, but I've noticed a trend I've

11:00

noticed a trend by the open

11:02

AI crew and particularly by Sam Altman and It's

11:06

this always kind of kicking the goal

11:08

a little bit further down moving it

11:10

just a little bit further because the

11:12

mission is so Important the end

11:14

result is so incredible that

11:17

it's okay that we just are always perpetually

11:19

building and it doesn't matter what it costs

11:22

And I'm not saying that Sam Altman is saying that

11:24

Whether we burn 500 million

11:27

a year or 5 billion

11:29

or 50 billion a year. I don't care I

11:31

genuinely don't as long as we can I think

11:33

stay on a trajectory where eventually we create way

11:36

more value for Society than that and as long

11:38

as we can figure out a way to pay

11:40

the bills like we're making AGI is gonna be

11:42

expensive It's totally worth it. It's totally worth it

11:45

Mike It doesn't matter how much it

11:47

costs because they're making AGI

11:50

now come and invest like

11:53

Is this I mean

11:55

is it possible that

11:58

the technological revolution that would

12:00

be unleashed by AGI could

12:02

be worth burning 50 billion

12:05

a year no amount is too much. Yeah,

12:07

wow. That seems very

12:10

Lex Luthor-esque to me. Do you not

12:12

see a little Michael Cera there? I

12:14

totally do actually. Just

12:17

the economics at that scale are difficult

12:20

for me to even fathom. But

12:22

also the just casual delivery of like

12:24

we're going to... Does

12:27

he have to say that? I

12:29

saw the same video and I was like, okay,

12:31

is this just he's taken

12:34

so much money, he has to say it's going

12:36

to be like, not Skynet, but

12:38

like world changing, right? Or

12:41

does he believe it? I think I

12:43

have a little bit of

12:45

bacon. Before I fry it, I'm going to play one more thing he

12:47

said in this video. We'll link the full video in the show notes

12:49

like we always do. But it's

12:51

this always moving the goalpost and

12:54

I'll play the clip and then I'll explain what I mean. GPT

12:56

is not phenomenal. Like, chat GPT is like

13:00

mildly embarrassing at best. GPT-4

13:03

is the dumbest model any of you will ever

13:05

have to use again by a lot. But

13:09

you know, it's like important to ship early

13:11

and often and we believe in iterative deployment.

13:13

See, that's not what he was saying about

13:15

GPT-4 a few months ago. It's

13:18

always this next thing we're about

13:20

to do is going to be

13:22

so game changing that it's worth using

13:24

the thing we have right now. It's

13:26

worth all of this market value. It's

13:29

this like, it's this perpetual

13:31

bubble that he can pump and drive

13:34

because the thing is it's like this carrot you never

13:36

quite get to. It's always just out in front of

13:38

you. That's my bacon about it. He

13:41

knows what he's doing. He knows he's pumping a bubble

13:43

up. Maybe he gets

13:45

some sort of sick satisfaction of being the

13:47

creator of one of the largest tech bubbles

13:49

in history. So it, yeah, because it feels

13:51

like he at these numbers

13:53

right with the Microsoft money and just the,

13:56

well, You know, 50, But was it 50 billion

13:58

a month or something? Year Fifty

14:00

billion a year. And here point. Microsoft.

14:03

Met an Alphabet disclosed that they had

14:05

spent thirty two billion dollars combined on

14:07

data centers and other capital expenses. Just.

14:11

In que la idea. To.

14:13

Put that in perspective. Exxon

14:16

spent twenty six point three billion.

14:18

For. The entire year. Last year. To.

14:21

Get oil out of the ground. It's gotta

14:23

be a grand slam or a strike out

14:25

here. I just don't see any plausible. Kind

14:28

of like boring middle of the road. Solution.

14:32

And will I'm what does a grants I Am actually

14:34

look like? I mean is it. I

14:36

I mean I would thanks

14:38

to justify the scale of

14:40

investment. It would have to

14:43

be so game changing that would

14:45

have like large anal implications, right?

14:47

It would be. Tons of

14:49

people out of work. If it would have

14:51

to be on that scale to justify. The.

14:53

Investment. Or. Is it

14:55

just gonna be something that he now is

14:57

always is kind of like the. It's

15:00

always six months away, right? Or

15:02

Euro I whenever whenever it's can because I

15:04

almost feel like it's gonna be that our

15:06

Gdp for way to see be five Gdp

15:09

Five whittlesey Gdp Sex. I think it

15:11

is that. I think it's the latter. It's always the

15:13

next. The I just wait till you see Gp T

15:15

five just way till you see dpt six. I.

15:18

Think it's hoping that they fake it until

15:20

they make it. I have

15:22

gotta be. The. Idea.

15:25

And I I'd love the audience to boost in to see if

15:27

they have a different take on it you others because it's such

15:29

a scale. Of investments that would

15:31

be required to actually pull this off right?

15:33

at Yeah. Larry think you know who Larry

15:35

think is, he's the Ceo of Black Rock.

15:38

Black. Rod manages over tens of trillions

15:40

in funds or he was the driver

15:42

of G. He's now they're completely bailed

15:44

on there is t fund their ears

15:46

D E T F is totally down

15:49

and he's all about energy because in

15:51

order to build a I, we need

15:53

energy. And. I do believe

15:55

to properly build our a

15:58

I were talking about. Brilliant!

16:00

The dollars of investing. So

16:03

data centers today could be as much

16:05

as two hundred megahertz. And they were

16:07

there. Now Teichmann Data Centers will be

16:09

one gigawatt. That's a

16:11

sets powers a city. Borough

16:14

of the there's One tech companies and

16:16

I spoke to the seal last week

16:19

and sense why now or other data

16:21

centers is about five gigawatts. I twenty

16:23

thirty Really Thirty gigawatts. Thirty.

16:28

Amount of power that's needed

16:30

to do you say I

16:32

is as huge impact on

16:35

society. Where's. That power

16:37

and I come from are going to

16:39

take it off the grid. What does

16:41

it mean for elevated energy? Prices for

16:43

everybody else if is that I think

16:45

it's in a represent some huge suicidal

16:47

questions that we have not address the

16:49

negative side street about the use of

16:51

images. the generation of it is massive

16:53

power. Of

16:55

it but that that is a huge

16:57

investment opportunity. Oh and that's where they

16:59

see it fits are you know is

17:02

it is a massive problem But if

17:04

it's a problem we all collectively believe

17:06

in. It. Can be solved. A can beat

17:08

of it can be an opportunity. In. Fact, it

17:10

could even solved declining populations.

17:13

I. To argue. In.

17:15

The developed countries a big winners

17:18

are countries that have shrinking populations.

17:21

That's. Something that most people

17:23

never talked about in a we

17:25

always used to think shrinking population

17:27

isn't is cause for negative growth.

17:31

But. In my conversations with

17:33

the leadership of these. Large

17:36

developed countries that have. seen

17:39

of forfeiture the new

17:42

immigration policies it allows

17:44

anybody to time in,

17:46

shrinking unemployment and screws

17:48

bit tricky are demographics

17:50

these countries. Will

17:54

rapidly develop robotics and tucked

17:56

in ai and technology and

17:58

and it's a promise! He's

18:00

gonna happen. A bit of the

18:02

promise of all that transforms productivity

18:05

which most of us thinks it

18:07

will, will be able to read

18:09

elevate the standard of living a

18:11

country's the center, living of individuals

18:14

even with shrinking populations. There

18:16

is my play. These tips. Is.

18:18

Because you can also go online and find clips of

18:20

Mark Zuckerberg. Same as going to cure cancer. And.

18:23

Pretty much all of the world's ills. I

18:26

think what we're witnessing. Is.

18:28

A society of people that

18:31

depend on bubbles. All.

18:33

of their riches come from loose money and investment

18:35

like crazy and it hype hype hype to get

18:37

people to spend tons of money on things that

18:40

always good change the world. And.

18:42

Everything is always about the impact of going to

18:44

have. How what a massive game changer this will

18:46

be for the world. And you could even

18:48

him when they talk about Facebook think they can explain it has

18:50

this. Incredible. Tool for connecting

18:52

humanity. They don't like out me

18:54

together in a in a smoky room with some of

18:57

the might. And. Say let's all go

18:59

in on this bubble together. But. You

19:01

have people that now have entire

19:03

careers out of opportunistic bubble pumping.

19:05

And they recognize the signs. And.

19:08

They're all in. An. Old Man.

19:10

He's figured out this playbook as well.

19:13

As he spent time at Y Combinator

19:15

like he seem this playbook. And.

19:17

So they're all just going as

19:19

hard as possible Because right now.

19:22

That's. The only thing really driving this bubble.

19:25

The. Functionality is not fantastic.

19:27

It's okay. It's. Okay, it's

19:29

useful. But. There were system requirements

19:31

are astronomical right now. Still, we just quite

19:33

haven't gotten a We probably will. But.

19:36

They have to keep the money

19:38

train going and so larry think

19:40

Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk of course

19:42

Sam Altman and soon at Wwdc

19:44

Apple will join as well. not

19:46

all pump in the same direction.

19:49

Because. Or incentives all a line to do it. I

19:51

don't they believe what they say. I don't have they

19:54

believe. That week we don't need to worry about population

19:56

declined because we're going of a I in robots. Or

19:58

of the believe it's going tear chance. But.

20:01

My. Bacon is. Is.

20:04

The Just by nat by in natural

20:06

alignment of incentives. You. Have all

20:08

of these people that are just saying

20:10

that they're just trying to one up

20:12

each other essentially with the most outlandish

20:14

impact possible that a I could have?

20:16

maybe. I also like the Friday and

20:18

Slip where he says decreasing employment and

20:20

sort of population the first time. That's

20:22

yeah, success as I sort of feel

20:24

like. Where. I had. I definitely

20:26

go. You're saying about like they're just pumping up a

20:29

bubble rates a big hot air balloons and they're blowing

20:31

that helium as hard as they can. Butts.

20:33

It's. Yeah, they're They're all floating on

20:35

that. That does seem. Probable.

20:38

That is is if it's actually not.

20:41

It. Isn't the more likely

20:43

outcome? Incredible job displacements and

20:46

increase unemployment. I. Increase

20:48

the income stratification price.

20:50

I think it's rooted. In.

20:52

Probably an underlying panic about the state

20:55

of the west. Like.

20:57

You to you hear them talk about population decline.

21:00

The. Things that they're concerned about. Are

21:02

like black rock has gone so hard and of

21:04

as bitcoin you to have. they now have the

21:06

number one bitcoin. A T F in A Went

21:08

for like a for historical. Seventy four days straight

21:10

of inflows. Massive success. One of

21:12

the most successful Bitcoin or one am a successful

21:15

Eat E F launches ever. Happens to be a

21:17

big quantity of. When. Asked why

21:19

Larry Fink said because you need a tool. That.

21:21

You can hedge against sovereign. Debt.

21:24

Risk. In. Other words are concerned about

21:26

the Us debt. And. I think a

21:29

lot of tech companies are. I think Black Rock isn't

21:31

So they're They're pivoting on things that are gonna optimize

21:33

the economy because the only way out of his whole.

21:36

Is either massive inflation that runs hot for a

21:38

super long time and devalued the dead. Or.

21:41

The. Comedy: The economy produces well and

21:44

makes good money and as good growth.

21:46

And if we start making good money the government revenue

21:48

goes up. We have a lot better position. So.

21:51

They always say grow your way out of it. Why?

21:54

Gonna grow your way out of it when the labor market

21:56

participation rates going down. You. Need the

21:58

machines to do it. I think

22:00

they have serious concerns about. The.

22:02

Money System. I think they have serious concerns

22:04

about the workforce and declining population in the

22:07

boomers that are retiring. That

22:09

are never going to re enter the workforce again. The

22:11

largest generation. And I think they're

22:13

looking at they're looking at what's going to keep their

22:15

taught, their economies, bible and everything else like that Insist

22:17

think this is the only solution. And.

22:19

So some of them are doing it because they think

22:21

this is the only things gonna save us is to

22:24

just bring this into the economy and makes economy you

22:26

know one hundred x more productive as you There are

22:28

some of them said. I. Think that's why

22:30

some of them might be doing it. And. I

22:32

think others like think are cynical bastards. He

22:34

went right up to the line with yes t. Pump.

22:37

Dst You can find clip clips of saying that.

22:40

Larry. Fink said ah l a just a

22:42

few years ago. The. Next thousand

22:44

unicorn start ups that are going to be worth

22:46

more than a billion in no time are all

22:49

going to be Se companies. And now

22:51

they're shutting down. There he has to. initiatives. And

22:53

they're making is hard pivot to. We need

22:55

dance energy sources. Which. Is not solar

22:57

and wind. Like this is

22:59

a massive pivot and and in it's I. They're

23:02

all an Ai is there like engine that's going

23:04

to help them make it because the is T

23:06

right as over. And. I just

23:08

it's as right here in front of all of us

23:10

and all of the plebs. Just sit back to go.

23:12

Could. You. Know they don't even really

23:15

fully understand what's happening. He sees you see all

23:17

of these different tack Ceos and figures all aligning.

23:20

In. The same direction. All. Pumping missing

23:22

the same way. all for these various motivations and

23:24

I can observe. And. I just

23:26

feel like Sam is like the lead Heitmann.

23:29

And so like if Larry says

23:31

something crazy sans gotta say something

23:33

even crazier assists seven trillion dollars

23:36

and in funding for building chips

23:38

and will spend fifty billion a

23:40

year. Just are indeed asiatic. He

23:42

just keeps going and they try

23:44

to one up each other with

23:47

it. That's. What I see.

23:49

And. The and then like the what's a wild about this

23:52

might. Is. The practical

23:54

use case. Wilde.

23:56

Decent. Is it more?

23:59

More. Useful than. The V right now is of more

24:01

useful than yeah be of the build I thought I don't

24:03

think so. I don't. I don't. I

24:05

mean it might be one day the potential might be, but

24:07

if you're actually measured by it's usefulness in the mark. I

24:10

think the I phone is a product of probably more useful

24:12

right now, right? But. If you're if

24:14

you're to ask Wall Street. The

24:16

only thing their funding. Is. This a I

24:18

stuff insect. Apple. Was on a

24:20

huge decline until they hit the

24:22

of analysis historically large stock buyback

24:25

program. And. That turn things around

24:27

the neck. You know that god awful quarter? It's

24:30

just incredible how upside down things are.

24:33

And. I guess what I'm trying to get to is if the

24:35

audience agrees with me or if I'm just way off on my

24:37

own thing here. And I'd love them

24:39

to explain. either way of this is truly a bubble than

24:41

how do you explain the actual practical usefulness in potential His

24:43

it does seem to be there. So. Can't

24:45

one hundred percent be a bubble? but there must be some sort of

24:48

medium we could return to. Or. Maybe I'm

24:50

way off. Maybe. Gp T five

24:52

is going to be incredible. Make tbt for look

24:54

stupid may be a d I is worth fifty

24:56

bill year. Maybe our robot overlords will kill you.

24:58

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I ate. A. Gonna think I have

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You know what, Mr. Dominant, You always are playing the

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Scar on southernmost ago, Tampa Tech Trekkie boosted

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And he's our baller booster this week for

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forty thousand zap. Ah,

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the ball or announced sliding but I appreciate.

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I think Tampa Tech Trekkie did the math

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25:29

to the job change email I got to

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detect after completing my associates right before the

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Great Recession. I. Saw some people tommy

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detect from fields where they were managers but had

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no experience and might have only had an A

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plus or. I. Was shocked by

25:41

how many of these folks just expected to be

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a lateral move. And then just

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make the same salary despite working with people with

25:47

years or decades of experience. It. May sound

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cold, but should this be the expectations? Are

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you know it depends on whether been hired i

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think Tampa Tech if they're being hired for their

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management expertise than maybe that's fair that they get

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a similar. Sorry if you're getting paid for their

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tech skills. Than. Their years and

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mans wouldn't really factor in as much. He

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agree, yeah I would say it. That.

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Yeah, that that's pretty fair, Ray,

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unless somehow like their domain expertise

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from their previous jobs, Maybe.

26:15

As valuable if it's like. My.

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Eye to eye camping the case where. Yeah.

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Camping the case where they wouldn't be taking

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a step down of their starting as a

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junior person and tech after being a manager.

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Alpha males wanted to spread a bit of

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a ruby gospel, but noted that their first

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language was great. It. Was pearl

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but it was in the nineties and two thousands. It

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is great Everybody is very her pearl

26:37

as very inspired by pearl. I

26:39

feel like i i don't want to talk about pearl like

26:41

is not being used as dominant trigger some pearl person but.

26:44

I. Mean you just. You. Just don't

26:46

hear as many people talking about it

26:49

anymore other than John Surf. Use that

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as Jeremy Ross comes in with thirty

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One Thousand Five hundred that's spelled with

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comes in with thirty one thousand, three

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hundred and thirty seven Sat. I

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just to follow up on my experience as a where

27:08

he does making the time to play with next. I.

27:11

Can define my whole Dev environment in

27:13

Cel.next file. In. The project route

27:15

and whenever I cloned the repo, I'm just

27:17

a knicks shell away. That's a command you

27:19

can do. Away from having all of

27:21

my familiar tools. It's. Super useful

27:24

for a guy who spends most of his

27:26

time developing over and this as H connection.

27:29

To. Tie Alaskan. I want to underscore your point.

27:31

You're what you're saying is with next it

27:33

is really easy to throw a very simple

27:35

yeah more like can fig file up on

27:37

your get repo. And. Then you

27:39

can just with one command, invoke an entire

27:41

dab dab environment with all the dependencies and

27:43

all the tulane it's configured the way you

27:46

like them out of the gate so everything's

27:48

ready to go. Totally configured. And.

27:50

Once you have that set, you specify that yeah

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will Fall You do one command, the next shell

27:54

commands and you specify to the path here and

27:56

Boom! It creates an environment. Knicks

27:59

a super powerful when comes doing so in

28:01

a managing software. And. Creating the

28:03

exact environment you need with all the dependencies considered

28:05

and then what it lets you do the other

28:07

linux systems don't let you do is. I.

28:10

Say you want to remove a tool that maybe

28:12

has lots of libraries and lots of dependencies to

28:14

typically and linux like that can be a little

28:17

sketchy. might uninstall the wrong thing. Famously.

28:19

Line. As for my detectives accidently installed the

28:21

desktop when he was trying to install steam.

28:23

A You know, the dependencies can be a

28:25

little scared so lot of people just leave

28:27

stuff installed. On. Linux once they haven't

28:29

installed specially stuff that reaches deep in your system. With.

28:32

Next. Year. Building Environment.

28:35

And. So you can remove that thing, whatever

28:37

it might be with all chemicals. And.

28:40

What next does is builds you a

28:42

new environment. totally configured. Were. That's

28:44

a never existed. And. Then

28:46

you switch into that environment. And

28:48

it's like it was never there and were as

28:51

us as a long time when it's user. This

28:53

is so neat. Is. You

28:55

can move between desktop environments, plasma

28:57

pop. Gonna win, Whatever. New

28:59

Alex Keep This came up. When.

29:01

You make that switch in your configure. It's

29:03

like you were never a gnome system when

29:06

you're on plasma or vice versa. It's so

29:08

clean. Because. You never

29:10

work. You are now in an environment where

29:12

that never existed. If you think

29:14

about how useful that is, From. Developing

29:16

of armor standpoint and how powerful that

29:18

is. Be. Like title? Ask him. And

29:21

go try it out sometime and you don't have to be

29:23

on linux. you can run next Package manager. And.

29:25

Get all those benefits I just mentioned on Mac O

29:27

S. Maybe. You might want to

29:29

try to set of brew some time. Anybody on

29:31

think it on science would you put it out

29:34

there general in general by see my Psn My

29:36

Ps. I. I. I think it's

29:38

something you should also. Vega

29:41

area. Than plan

29:43

on that. Think it, I last visited

29:45

that booth. can't we go in A

29:47

valid ah that? The own. The.

29:50

On the the gnome. Probably. The

29:52

gnome. Comes. In with twenty

29:55

thousand Sad that supposed. Linux.

29:57

Is finally made it mainstream. I live in rural

29:59

Ohio. And. A man pumping

30:01

my septic notice my linux cloud servers hoodie.

30:04

He's. Been learning about linux for

30:06

of course his team deck

30:08

not really assess assess. I.

30:11

Am shocked. This. Is our

30:13

the conversation usually goes when somebody's gonna get my

30:15

hair tied are am. Rhein a

30:17

new bird or you know I'm just chat with somebody

30:19

that the other than if Russia whatever it is right

30:22

you'd like a bump into somebody. You. Don't know

30:24

in the conversation if is T V been talking for him in

30:26

a devil to go. So what do you do for living. And.

30:29

So then I try to you know I i

30:31

i bike as business. Oh. Yeah, Punk Ass

30:33

on what I want to use podcast about. Well

30:36

you know a Linux and development open

30:38

source and oh Linux. And then I

30:40

know why. You know Linux? Practiced.

30:43

I don't mean to stereotype, but I'm just it's

30:45

free Know from twenty years it's not been com

30:47

and the people know what lending and linux is.

30:50

Of we were parts though at linux

30:52

as northwest. In. My Rv

30:55

in the parking lot overnight. And

30:57

the first night one of the neighbors came up. And.

30:59

That comes knocking on the door. Not not not.

31:02

Excuse me are are are you with the group? I

31:05

said the linux first group. Now though the the

31:07

group with all of the rigs are you with a

31:09

group with know where the only rig here and

31:11

there's nobody else here. Ah, Okay,

31:13

because they were. They were in the generators and

31:15

realizes when on this whole story right, Want to

31:18

make sure I was going to be loud and

31:20

partying all night? I'm that she says what you

31:22

say, you were with that linux group. What's next?

31:25

Explained to her what line X was.

31:28

So it's still, it's still a happy

31:30

place I say. Yes,

31:32

that's that's pretty cool. Guy

31:34

point. You know what? Steam. Decks

31:36

of pretty great. They are bring of linux to via

31:38

to the masses are they max power comes in with.

31:41

Eight thousand Sat. I might feel

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so out unless someone who some

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sport you guys through the ad

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pocket lips. I. Realized Boosie are a

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fun way to get clips of Chris A Funny things

31:52

that he must know that if I say like say

31:54

this. Hey Mike, I'm going to

31:56

buy Apple Vision Pro goggles for you and for me.

32:00

I would never call them goggles Cox I

32:02

would never ask. Worth her goggles. I will

32:04

absolutely have to go swimming. I know. If.

32:07

There if they got down to goggles size, that

32:09

would be great. I would be

32:11

fantastic. I'll tell you what, I still

32:13

have the quests. In. On I'm just

32:16

thinking maybe that was the better out. with all

32:18

the way it just might have been the better

32:20

way to get the games and now they're working

32:22

on now like O S features to be more

32:24

competitive with the Apple Vision Pro in the get

32:27

this whole opened her eyes and platform thing mail.

32:29

So yeah. I.

32:31

Think it's going to be a good fight. And as

32:33

he zero one, Three Five comes in

32:36

with. Three. Thousand seventy two sets

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make it so. I'm and they wanted to

32:40

strongly advocated very long booze but they were.

32:42

I read it all and they would have

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a strong We advocate for the absolute primacy

32:47

of moral law in human conduct. Know.

32:49

Agreements, contracts, or obligation can

32:51

justify the fundamental ethical principles.

32:54

If. You despair of the current state of the world. Ever

32:57

changing and believe resistance is hopeless, it is

32:59

better to act in accordance with have the

33:01

world should be. Rather,

33:03

Than how it actually is to maintain an

33:05

increase around know to building characters and snowed

33:07

abilities. Value itself. Good. Deed still

33:10

make the world better. Even. If they have

33:12

no effect, And. Other words: don't

33:14

compromise on employment contracts as they go

33:16

against remorse. How must have so

33:18

much to type out? I can only or ten even

33:20

imagine how you did that Embassy. Would you tell me

33:22

how Bush didn't tell me how you managed to type

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out. All. Of that thousand credible.

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Dg. At Ptc comes in

33:29

with five south set steep

33:32

said James your filthy animal.

33:34

In hindsight, I can

33:36

see why Apple hasn't been investing the ai. There's

33:39

no realistic return on investment for fine

33:41

tuning L M for individual customers. What?

33:44

Are they going to do? Charge. Twenty bucks

33:46

a month for Siri. No. One

33:48

is going to do that. You know what's funny?

33:50

Side note: Make. An apple.

33:53

It's it. I think Apple's

33:55

not properly addressing series functionality.

33:57

Is coming home to roost. In two

33:59

thousand Twenty four. Way more than we would have ever thought.

34:02

Yeah, I. Hear this all the time.

34:04

Every time somebody brings up Apple's A I

34:06

capabilities. Serious. The punch line

34:08

every single time. They. Also think

34:10

you know spending billions on cheap you probably

34:12

won't pay itself. and I phone sales. More.

34:15

Broadly. I don't think there's. Much. Real

34:17

money to be made in chat bots in general.

34:20

I. Think Apple will integrated as features

34:22

right? And I mean to picture what you

34:24

could do and I message summarize a message or as

34:26

the probably Apple mail they're going to builds you know,

34:28

text summarize a sin and helping you get started in

34:31

there with some L M that stuff right? There.

34:33

Were has the right and were also one of the

34:35

gonna give up the ghost on. The

34:37

lady tubes yeah I will. you know would

34:39

be great if they. It's.

34:41

Funny, and all of my speculation about what Apple's

34:43

going to do with a I have not once

34:46

considered them actually improving, Siri, but that does seem

34:48

to be the fundamental thing they should do. Who.

34:52

Yeah. They really sit and you know what? they should. Just push

34:54

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Stupid Comedies. I live my life. It

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35:08

V or Vr Horizon or Story is

35:10

going to be a strong one for

35:13

consumers and specific applications in business. The.

35:15

Apps are openness and general openness of Matter

35:17

is a one hundred eighty degrees from Apple.

35:20

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35:22

chat plan is met a dozen screwed up they

35:24

may really separate from the pack and five years.

35:27

I think a strong agreed for the business case. You

35:29

know like you always make the case that some cheap

35:31

Android tablets that you can side load in a Pk

35:33

are always going to be the go to for. you

35:36

know with you need a bunch of tablets on the

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floor than. Nine. Hundred dollar I pads or

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mechanic shop or whatever it might be And

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35:55

You can even put your own damn app store on their if you

35:57

know your feel like I B M and your big enough We actually

35:59

have a. A. Large directive applications.

36:02

It's. Not going to be the abolition bro. It's not

36:04

gonna be a soprano. I think that's insightful. Course

36:07

Apple is going to try to argue, Otherwise, stand

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