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And there are no more witnesses.

1:35

We're done. We're done with witnesses. The

1:38

Trump trial number first and

1:40

probably maybe only. Yeah,

1:42

I mean, if we get to the election and... Yeah.

1:47

I don't know. George just seems like it might be

1:49

okay. Might still run. You think it might still run

1:52

this year? Yeah, they probably won't be able to. If

1:54

Trump wins, they won't be able to like do

1:57

anything until he finally steps

1:59

down. Right. So I you think that trial

2:01

will actually commence this year I don't I

2:04

don't know that it'll it'll start before the

2:06

election, but it might start this year God,

2:09

that would be fascinating if it was happening Like

2:12

literally on election day if

2:14

like the trial itself was

2:17

taking place in November What's so interesting

2:19

is Trump has to? Because

2:22

he can't really travel too far away from court at least

2:24

he couldn't before They he

2:27

had to like do campaign stops in

2:29

places that are in New York

2:31

nobody in New York like Yeah, it's like

2:33

barren bell. Oh, yeah, so he he decided

2:35

to do a rally in the Bronx But

2:38

I guess the Bronx has this Section

2:41

that's above the Bronx. That's like a more

2:44

suburban type area. I don't know what it's

2:46

called. Whatever. It's a New York thing It's

2:49

like a bigger Way bigger

2:51

than the Bronx area where they're all

2:53

gonna come down from this like whatever

2:55

is north of the Bronx Where

2:58

I guess it's more Republican Because

3:00

they have to get other people from outside

3:02

of the city who will vote cuz they

3:05

never fill in anything Yeah, nobody inside New

3:07

York City is go Like

3:10

I got traders coming in a

3:12

wrap city Hey, it's all story Tom

3:14

and I are welcome with Eli Bosnick and we're in New

3:16

York and this is but this is in 2015

3:20

Trump announced and we're walking down the

3:22

street and We're

3:24

talking about Trump and we're going back and forth just

3:26

sort of making fun of him and just bullshit You

3:28

know with it just bullshitting and I

3:30

say I should probably vote for him

3:32

as a joke and I'm clearly I'm joking with the guy And

3:35

this woman who's walking behind us totally

3:37

dipping in our conversation goes fuck you And

3:42

I and then Eli Immediately starts

3:44

to apologize to her. Oh, no. No, he

3:47

wouldn't vote. It's okay. I was like, what

3:49

the fuck are you apologizing? Who

3:54

they are right, but he was immediately no,

3:56

no other New Yorker I live here, too

4:00

Nobody we recognize one. They're from out of

4:02

town. Yeah, they're free. I think it's like

4:04

no, they're from Chicago That's

4:06

all it's they're from out of town. They

4:09

don't know what they can't tell areas is

4:11

so funny cuz Eli was just falling all

4:13

over Himself to apologize this random lady It

4:15

was so strange and I was like, thank

4:18

you. So New York like it's just so

4:20

fucking it's so quintessential New York it is

4:23

That town. I mean it's it's

4:26

rats. It's old leftover pizza and

4:29

It's like people Buddy

4:33

into your conversations that's a trash on

4:35

the street exactly. It's a great America's

4:38

first Town

4:40

before we get started we got to talk

4:43

about the creator accountability network we do because

4:45

we are credentialed Credentials we were actually

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the first people I think

4:50

in the podcast in the podcast network to

4:52

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4:54

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4:56

I think so too and

4:58

then we this week donated to

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To the creator accountability network to

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this was about what sort of happened in

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the atheist podcast sphere last

5:20

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5:22

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5:27

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5:29

ness that happened with the atheist

5:31

podcast community and What

5:34

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Be having a grievance because

5:48

the problem was it happened in our

5:51

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5:53

to handle it nobody knew What

5:56

to do it like I think We

5:59

are We are creators, we

6:01

are not like human resources experts. We

6:03

are not like social workers, we

6:06

are not psychologists. We don't know

6:08

what the fuck we're doing. We

6:10

are uniquely unqualified actually to

6:13

handle that kind of

6:15

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a way that's proper. And I think the great

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will do it wrong. Yeah, we'll just do it wrong. I

6:26

will raise my hand, I will do it wrong. I will do

6:28

it with good intentions. But I don't know

6:30

what the fuck I'm doing. I'd be making it up

6:32

on the fly. And that's not how people who have

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that. Cecil,

8:11

I love this story. I love every single thing about

8:13

this story, and I'm going to have to read parts

8:15

of this story. It's from

8:17

NBC News. Rudy Giuliani is served

8:19

indictment papers at his own birthday

8:21

party after mocking Arizona

8:24

Attorney General. Giuliani

8:26

was indicted in April in connection with

8:28

an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020

8:31

election results in Arizona. I hate,

8:33

by the way, having to say alleged. I

8:36

hate it. He fucking did that. That

8:39

is what he did, like 100%. That's

8:42

like locked in. Okay, it's locked in.

8:45

So this is great because

8:47

Giuliani was taunting, taunting

8:50

Attorney General Curtis Mays on social

8:52

media for failing to deliver his

8:54

indictment. He said a thing

8:58

if Arizona authorities is a post

9:00

on acts or Twitter, whatever, if

9:02

Arizona authorities can't find me a

9:04

now deleted post now deleted a

9:06

shame post. I think that's the

9:08

most important piece of this story

9:10

is because after you

9:12

find out all the pieces of this, you'll know

9:14

why it's the lead. A fucking

9:16

man. You know that when he deleted, he

9:18

was fucking sweating motor oil. You

9:20

know, just absolutely that guy

9:23

leaves the office with the

9:25

cubes and he pours shit

9:27

down his face. Get

9:29

this lady to eat these cubes. All right. So

9:33

he said he's taunting authorities. He says

9:36

if Arizona authorities can't find me

9:38

by tomorrow morning, one, they must

9:40

dismiss the indictment to they must

9:43

concede they can't count votes. This

9:46

was on Friday night that he posted this.

9:48

And he posted a picture of himself smiling

9:50

with six other people in a bunch of

9:53

balloons arranged behind him. An

9:55

hour and 15 minutes later,

9:57

this post goes up from.

10:00

the attorney general, quote, the

10:02

final defendant was served moments ago

10:05

at Rudy Giuliani. Nobody is

10:07

above the law. He was

10:09

served you guys at his own fucking

10:12

birthday party. Own birthday party. And

10:14

I want to, I want to

10:16

read Ted, Ted Goodman, a spokesperson

10:18

for Giuliani said the

10:20

mayor was unfazed by the decision to

10:23

try to embarrass him during his 80th

10:25

birthday party. He enjoyed an incredible evening

10:27

with hundreds of people who love him

10:29

from all walks of life. And we

10:31

look forward to a full vindication

10:34

soon. It's not

10:37

embarrassing. Nobody's trying to embarrass him. They've been

10:39

trying to find him for weeks first. Right?

10:42

So if you were at the places where

10:44

you said you'd be, they would have just

10:46

fucking served you and nobody would add to

10:48

see it. But instead they had to fucking

10:50

track you down to where you would be

10:53

publicly where you told other people you would

10:55

be publicly where you invited hundreds of people

10:57

to be where you would be publicly. So

10:59

they could fucking serve you your papers. And

11:01

it's not embarrassing. What's embarrassing is that

11:04

he tried to overturn the election. That's

11:06

embarrassing. What's embarrassing is when he tried

11:08

to destroy American democracy. That's the embarrassing

11:10

part. That's very embarrassing. Don't fuck yourself.

11:12

You have a spokesperson for Rudy Giuliani,

11:15

you asshole. Also, like, I love how

11:17

he tries to like flex big balls

11:19

here. Like, oh, he's looking forward to

11:21

his chair. He's looking forward to it

11:23

so much. He tried to hide from

11:26

it for like weeks. He's like, he's

11:28

like looking out his fucking mail. I'm

11:30

not free to you. I'm not telling

11:32

you where I am. He's hiding in

11:34

the vent between two motel fucking rooms.

11:37

They got a fucking throw up, drag

11:39

him out to

11:41

feed him and then shove him back in

11:43

there. So he doesn't get fucking served. Are

11:45

you kidding me? This is like picking

11:48

a fight with somebody then running away and then

11:50

like once you're safe, being like, I had to

11:52

beat his ass. I had to beat his ass.

11:54

It's three o'clock high. The fucking indictment or whatever.

12:00

Rudy Giuliani Spokesperson

12:03

he's not the mayor of any day

12:07

Motherfucker hasn't been the mayor of shit 20

12:10

fucking years. Yeah, man. What do you are if

12:12

you get elected mayor once is that just like

12:15

an honorific you get forever? I guess

12:17

you get to be mayor from that

12:19

point on. That's why I think we still

12:21

call him mayor McCheese He

12:25

is still the mayor of McCheese Who

12:31

is gonna unseat mayor McCheese

12:33

I don't know what is

12:35

that election? What

12:38

is that election like is there like

12:40

an RBS sandwich trying to like you

12:42

surf the throne from the mayor's spokesperson?

12:47

Oh Tell

12:51

me tell me fucking hamburgling doesn't

12:53

look like Rudy Giuliani with a thing

12:56

over says How we yes not true. Yeah,

12:58

we're calling it up. You're calling up the

13:00

fucking rubble rubble I'm gonna blow your mind.

13:02

You've never seen them both in the same

13:04

place at the same time You

13:11

saw fucking And

13:13

Rudy Giuliani in the same place the same

13:15

time put it up there cuz there's a

13:17

probably Maybe I know

13:20

the rubble rubble. No idea who

13:22

the fucking hamburger Yeah,

13:24

cuz I'm fucking young pups. They don't know anything.

13:27

They don't watch commercial television. Are you

13:29

kidding me? Fucking

13:46

hamburger ties his tie like Trump does fucking

13:49

hangs like three inches below his dick. It

13:51

really is long. Okay, here we go I Hear

13:57

guys And

14:00

then we put it side by side. Okay guys. Oh my god. All

14:02

right guys. Here we go. Here we go ours

14:07

Ian Ian, I need you to color that fucking

14:09

mask get on Rudy In

14:15

person that's why it took him so long to get sir

14:22

He's like hiding a bag of fries Oh

14:30

Aged terribly. Oh

14:32

my god Hamburgler Hamburglar if you don't

14:34

know what we're laughing at this

14:37

used to be a Mascot along

14:39

with they had like a four-person group.

14:41

It was Ronald McDonald grimace Merrick

14:44

cheese and the burglar. I can't I

14:46

think anybody else. Yeah, I think that's

14:48

right. There's our person group. That's

14:50

right the basis You

14:55

remember like it's some of the McDonald's back

14:57

in the day back in the 80s leaving this up

14:59

They had these like play places

15:01

outside where each of

15:04

the yeah each of the entirely

15:06

metal were Shaped

15:09

that were made to knock all your teeth out

15:11

of your mouth and they would get guys so

15:13

they were made they were shaped Like the grimace

15:16

one was shaped like a weird purple jail made

15:18

out of metal Yeah with bars you could get

15:20

into that was weird cuz that was grimace grimace

15:22

was fat Then they had like the

15:24

the the hamburger or the mayor McCheese was

15:26

like a tower thing I don't know that

15:28

you slid down maybe yeah your mouth you

15:30

slid out his mouth But they

15:33

were all made out of shiny fucking

15:35

sheet metal and in July

15:37

Yeah, you basically you could cook like

15:39

a hamburger. Yeah, if they ran out

15:41

of grill space they run outside I

15:43

was like nothing was as hot as

15:45

the old school like back

15:48

in the 80s They the sets sleds

15:50

the slides and shit and like the

15:52

toys and shit at parks were made

15:54

out of like a barely smooth sheet

15:57

metal you remember this Burn

16:00

the fuck out of yourself. If you wore

16:02

nylon, you would just stick because it would

16:04

melt. Can

16:07

I ask a question? Why would they make grimace to

16:09

jail and not the campers? I don't know what they

16:11

did. I thought that was so weird, but it's true.

16:13

It's like everybody played

16:15

jail in that thing. That's the only thing

16:17

to do. Somebody find these

16:20

pictures and make us an image

16:23

of Hamburgler, Asri, Giuliani. Come on, find this

16:25

picture, especially. That's a great picture. It's the

16:27

first thing that came up when I Googled

16:29

it. So have you ever seen?

16:32

I'm sure you've seen this. So periodically,

16:34

if you just drive around enough, you

16:36

will see somebody's backyard that

16:39

has at some point purchased

16:42

one of the play place structures

16:45

and put it in their backyard. I've

16:47

seen a hand. I've seen maybe 20 of

16:49

them in my life. Somebody, some McDonald's somewhere

16:51

got rid of them because nobody uses them anymore. They

16:53

were just intensely dangerous. Yeah, no. Yeah. They probably make

16:55

you sign a waiver when you buy it. For real.

16:59

And these things all end up in somebody's

17:01

backyard. And that person's backyard is always the

17:03

same kind of person. It's a backyard that

17:05

has like flattened beer cans

17:07

all over the garage and like signed

17:10

a windmill made of beer cans. Yeah.

17:13

And then in the backyard, they'll have like

17:15

weird shit they got somehow. And like,

17:17

I can't I've seen these repurposed McDonald's

17:19

things. I'm like, God, as a kid,

17:22

as a kid, I can't imagine the joy

17:24

if your dad came home. With a fucking like,

17:27

hey, guys, I got I got a fucking

17:29

I got the burglar. My

17:32

dad could beat me every day. And I'd be like,

17:34

he got me the hamburglar. I love him. One

17:38

day, you're going to be going down. You're

17:41

going to see an estate sale with a mayor machine.

17:43

Bina and you're going to buy it. And you're going

17:46

to put it in your living room. My

17:49

living room. I'm going to put it in the bedroom. I'm going to put a

17:51

mattress on that thing. I'm going to fuck

17:53

inside of a hamburglar. There's a

17:55

weird way to contraption a tattoo. Oh,

17:59

God. amazing cash

18:04

for gold lady hey

18:07

fuck is your deal waving

18:10

the sign uncompensingly trying to

18:12

pretend that you are real

18:16

beckoning to traffic

18:20

plying your charm

18:23

working your magic with

18:26

those automated all

18:31

right this story comes from the independent the

18:33

headline season we talked about headlines last

18:35

week the headline says trump appears to

18:38

freeze for 30 seconds on stage during

18:40

nra speech the sub

18:42

headline is truer biden

18:45

and trump campaigns continue to trade

18:47

barbs over accusations candidates are senile

18:51

so we watched this video and in

18:53

other video actually it's also underneath it and

18:56

i want to be very clear he

18:58

doesn't fucking freeze no biden's

19:01

biden wins tweeted out breaking

19:03

donald trump glitched out and

19:05

froze at his rally tonight

19:07

he is clearly unfit for

19:09

office retweet every retreat so

19:12

every american knows he

19:14

is senile i want to play just a

19:16

tiniest little piece of this you can see

19:18

i'm not going to play the whole thing

19:20

because i don't think it's i mean it's

19:22

just it essentially just goes on like this

19:24

so it's unimportant but i want to play

19:26

uh this piece for you station in the

19:28

history of the world if

19:38

you're watching this you just saw him pause

19:40

when the music started if

19:42

you're listening to this what you heard was

19:44

him speaking and then music starting what

19:47

we have here is bad av somebody didn't tell him

19:49

that the music was going to start or the music's

19:51

louder than it was going to be he didn't know

19:53

if he was going to talk over the music or

19:55

not he eventually if we fast

19:57

forward all The way to the end he makes a decision. Now

20:00

he stays silent most the time he's moving

20:02

back and forth. You. Can sort of

20:04

see and his head he's thinking of maybe speaking

20:07

but on a play the last piece of this

20:09

you could see him finally start to decide to

20:11

talk over the music. So. At. The

20:13

very end he makes the decision to

20:15

do it. We

20:20

are a nation. Try

20:23

coast Suns. You can also be

20:25

in focus on gold I repeat

20:27

or know gotten I know, I

20:29

know, but genuinely what you're seeing

20:31

is. Donald. Trump. Not.

20:34

Sure, What the stage directs

20:36

exactly and is you can see you

20:38

can hear to. When he picked back

20:41

up. There what he's trying to do

20:43

after that long pause with the music is playing

20:45

out is still going on and I think he

20:47

can sense like okay, gotten a little awkward is

20:49

he trying to ride the moment through the music?

20:51

He changes the cadence of speech and he tries

20:54

to like bring some lag. And. Now

20:56

and like ride into the Music at which

20:58

I totally get that. like having done a

21:00

lot of public speaking, sometimes you're a V

21:02

goes weird and it does sort of like.

21:05

Hold. You up for a second the your have to

21:07

like figure out why are going to like punt in the

21:09

moments? Easy going. I'm either going to make fun of the

21:11

a V are you going to talk about it can be

21:13

like what is that music or you're going to just wait.

21:16

Not. Sure, it's going to stop, continue whatever, and

21:18

you gonna ride it out. And that's what he

21:20

did. This. At him Look. I.

21:23

I hate everything about Donald Trump. Hundred

21:25

percent seat of thought it was don't.

21:27

Want to see him in power as the

21:30

President? or even in any. I don't wanna

21:32

see him as Mayor Mitch. seats. I

21:35

don't see him on cloud Mayor of

21:37

Mcdonalds land. Don't want to see if

21:39

he'd be the have burglar. What? I

21:45

don't want us. I don't want to see him as

21:47

as in charge of anything, right? I want

21:49

to see him at some I like I want

21:51

yeah want to see him pay for the crimes

21:53

that he committed which he committed several crimes. All.

21:57

At being said. This is not him

21:59

being seen. This. Is him trying

22:01

to figure out what's happening with

22:03

the music? It's bad states direction.

22:06

That's it. This. Is

22:08

genuinely a misinformation tweet. That's

22:10

what it is. This headline.

22:12

Is playing itself off as if

22:14

it's saying. Look at him

22:16

glitch out. But what is really saying when

22:19

you read the byline is. The

22:21

two campaigns are fighting. And.

22:24

We're going to tell. You. What the campaigns are saying,

22:26

whether or not there's any veracity to that doesn't

22:28

matter to us, Abs, We're just gonna tell you

22:30

what they're saying. I want to play the other

22:32

piece for you to for second. This

22:35

is Donald Trump. Ah I

22:37

physicists or this is straight up. Biden

22:40

Hq This is bygones official

22:42

twitter account. They. Say a

22:44

feeble Trump nearly falls down on stage

22:47

after he leans on his podium too

22:49

hard and then. Goes on and

22:51

angry rant calling his the his

22:54

event workers crappy now. Absolutely.

22:57

The last part. Through. Right. he

22:59

does. Do that. Go. It's hardly an angry

23:02

rampell, but. It's but it's if you listen.

23:04

To it sees just do when crowd work a

23:06

little play this for the for everybody. Is.

23:09

Is Donald Trump the first thing you going to

23:11

hear his him sort of lean on the podium.

23:13

the podiums not like like actually on the

23:15

ground, it's like one of the movable podiums and

23:18

he and it starts to turn a little

23:20

bit and he and he does loses balance. When

23:24

Americans are not struggling,

23:27

you notice the worst.

23:29

Last to say just

23:31

isn't worth of hurricanes

23:34

in Dallas. I notice is

23:36

deep silver for the left. You

23:45

Money address.

23:49

What a crappy contractors

23:51

is less. I

23:54

don't the i hate this members those are

23:56

good job as. the thing is I was

23:58

legitimate like well it's Slade. It's like well

24:00

done. It's like what it is is it's

24:02

It's good crowd work. He noticed something

24:04

was wrong. He had a a slightly embarrassing moment.

24:07

He had a way to deflect it. Now do

24:09

I think it's it's good to call out people

24:11

who you know probably don't make a lot of

24:13

money that the set up not talking of course

24:16

my think that of good at all and I

24:18

don't think that that's good comedy. In.

24:20

That sense but the that means the

24:22

last. That's a that's a good joke.

24:25

it's of funny on the moment joke.

24:27

yeah that's on him being doddering. know.

24:30

Nothing about him was enfeebled.

24:32

He like he barely lost his balance

24:35

really only losses Builds clearly the podium

24:37

which he moves very easily afterwards like

24:39

to like remove in a position was

24:42

not. Bolted. To the stage wasn't

24:44

It was not clearly very heavy. He.

24:46

Leaned on. I would have. I could see myself

24:48

doing the same thing. I don't like this guy

24:50

like I'm not. A lot of you guys know

24:52

we're the furthest from Trump apologists. I these a

24:55

fucking horrible human being. But

24:57

this. Kind of bullshit is wrong.

24:59

And when the left does it,

25:01

it's wrong. with a right. Does

25:04

it? It's wrong. Misinformation hurts all

25:06

of us when the independent fucking

25:08

reports it with a click bait

25:10

bullshit liars headline. Is. Wrong.

25:12

This. Is doing us all a disservice.

25:14

I think you know the by needs

25:16

to one. The. Last piece of it

25:19

would they're gonna be were workers' rights cool.

25:21

I'm with you right? I'll be. I'll play

25:23

with uses with that. But if you're gonna

25:25

make a statement about him being you know,

25:27

like what did they say I want her

25:29

own a really good just always it. We

25:31

can. We can put in context the entire

25:33

tweet. They. Say us

25:35

see Bull Trump nearly falls

25:37

on stage. Both those things that are

25:39

and what didn't happen after he leans on

25:41

the podium too hard and then goes on

25:43

an angry rant against doesn't feel like an

25:46

angry rants. I'll allow it because that's just

25:48

interpretation. But then saying calling me of that

25:50

workers crappy like but again a better editor

25:52

and leave it at the last piece rates.

25:54

Don't call the people who help set up

25:56

the saying crappy that city are you Donald

25:58

fiance? something like that. Perfectly fine. I'm

26:01

on board with you. You say something

26:03

like this. You're trying to make it

26:05

seem like he's not He's

26:07

not worthy of the office because of

26:09

his physical limitations and his mental limitations

26:12

Stop it. It's super waiting. Yeah. Yeah

26:15

quit it because you know what you're

26:17

not gonna convince anybody What

26:19

that might do is embolden people. Yeah,

26:21

if I was anybody Anybody

26:24

with a fucking brain in their head. I would be like,

26:26

oh shit. I would click on it watch it Be like

26:28

that's not what happened. Yeah. Now you look like a liar

26:31

because you lied That's the reason by

26:34

an HQ in this moment. You look like a

26:36

fucking liars cuz that's a liar's tweet Do you

26:38

remember that jackass that we watched a diddly guy

26:40

or whatever diddly whatever the fuck? Yeah, yeah diddler

26:42

that guy on fucking YouTube who said he basically

26:44

looked at the audience and he said I don't

26:46

care if it's a lie I'll make up anything.

26:48

I just don't want the other side to win.

26:50

So I'll make anything up and put it up

26:52

there Don't fucking sink down to

26:54

that level. There's plenty of shit. You

26:56

could talk about Donald Trump Saying there's

26:58

plenty of things right? We're gonna talk

27:01

about some things later where some of

27:03

his editors fucked up royally

27:05

Right some of the editors that do that

27:07

do the work for him fucked up royally

27:11

That's some shit you can call out

27:14

he says insane things all the time

27:16

He meanders and rambles and makes no

27:18

sense. There are so many

27:20

legitimate moment. Absolutely to go on the

27:22

attack So choosing illegitimate moments to go

27:24

on attack. This is Trump stuff. This

27:26

is what Trump does This is the

27:29

world we're trying to move away from

27:31

Let's not go into his world and

27:33

sling mud with this fucking guy who

27:35

we all have said fuck this guy

27:37

ruined American politics Let's not get in

27:39

there and be like well if it's

27:41

ruined I'm playing to that it must be they have

27:43

this is the real This is the new rules and that's what

27:45

I'm doing right? I want I want to say too. It

27:48

also feels like Biden

27:50

HQ is saying We're

27:53

weak on the older part we're weak

27:55

on the senile part hundred percent and

27:57

we've got to now project onto them

28:00

that that's where that's he's the

28:02

same or he's he's worse and

28:04

you're like dude you'd look weaker if you look at

28:06

that you look Weaker if you do that you look

28:08

weaker and you also lend credibility

28:11

that this is a legitimate criticism We should

28:13

all be paying attention to absolutely The

28:15

future is a hefty responsibility and not one

28:17

that we take lightly But then taking things

28:19

lightly has never been what has he is

28:21

about that's why we've created the happy renew

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28:43

at have to remove calm Okay.

28:45

Well, that's interesting. You know, why

28:47

why because I Stressed

28:51

in the New York Times Trump

28:53

opens door to birth control restrictions then

28:55

tries to close it so

28:58

I've got to read what he fucking said because you

29:00

know, we were just talking about Trump a second ago

29:02

and Just I just

29:04

I'm gonna read word for word and this

29:06

is what you put right? This is what

29:08

you tweet This is because this is

29:10

not only incredibly damning

29:13

in terms of a policy position

29:15

But also he legitimately

29:17

sounds like an unhinged dipshit He

29:19

sounds like a guy who does

29:21

not know what is happening in

29:24

the moment completely inarticulate When

29:26

asked if he supported quote restrictions on

29:28

a person's right to contraception in an

29:31

interview with KDKA CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh

29:33

Mr. Trump gave a vague answer Quote

29:38

We're looking at that and I'm gonna have a

29:40

policy on that very shortly I don't think it's

29:42

something you'll find interesting and it's another issue That's

29:44

very interesting, but you will find it. I think

29:46

very smart. I think it's a smart decision See,

29:49

so what the fucking shit does that mean? I'm

29:52

reading it again. It doesn't mean anything. I'm reading

29:54

it again We're looking at that

29:56

and I'm going to have a policy on that very

29:58

shortly. Okay, and I stopped there That

30:00

means you don't know anything about it

30:02

and they literally blindsided you because your

30:04

brain is the size of a fucking

30:06

tea cup And you can't

30:08

keep all that information in there So you

30:10

have no idea what you're gonna say later

30:12

And it also means and we know this

30:15

it also means that he is unwilling to

30:17

say Oh, of course people have a right

30:19

to contraception The easiest answer

30:21

or of course people don't have

30:23

a right to contraception He

30:26

does not want this we talked about this

30:28

boy He wants to own both sides of

30:30

the position for as long as possible so

30:32

he can sense the wind Yeah, that's all

30:34

this fucking guy does right? So but what

30:36

he says and he and he's gotten away

30:38

with this for an entire career He might

30:41

become president a second time. This answer makes

30:43

no sense We're looking at

30:45

that and I'm going to have a policy on that

30:47

very shortly And I think it's something you'll find interesting

30:49

and it's another issue. That's very interesting, but you will

30:51

find it I think very smart. I think it's a

30:53

smart decision I that last bit

30:55

doesn't mean anything. It's just gibberish. It doesn't

30:58

mean honest gibberish It's just him saying you'll

31:00

find what I'm gonna say in the future

31:02

because I have nothing to say about it

31:04

now Interesting that is I

31:07

read that and I and I think you'll find it

31:09

very interesting and I think you'll find it smart I think

31:11

you'll find it more very smart. This

31:13

is a guy who is genuinely

31:16

an inarticulate asshole In

31:18

any other context if he was your third grade

31:21

teacher, you'd be like, this is

31:23

unacceptable You cannot speak with the clarity

31:25

required to teach third grade They asked him to

31:27

press him on whether the whether

31:29

his answer suggested he might support restrictions.

31:31

He said, you know Things

31:33

really do have a lot to do with the states and

31:36

some states are gonna have it a different policy

31:39

than others What

31:41

you're gonna leave contraception up to

31:43

the state That's what

31:45

you're gonna do. Yeah This

31:48

is what? monstrous

31:52

monstrous Monstrous he's

31:55

like first of all, just say it just

31:57

fucking come out and say it but he doesn't it's all

32:00

Weasel shit. It's all between the lines weasel shit

32:02

because the other thing that sucks about the way

32:04

that he speaks is It's not like somebody can

32:06

come out and say hey you said you were

32:08

gonna turn contraception over to the states He could

32:10

say no I did what I said

32:13

was things really have a lot to do with the

32:15

states It's all

32:17

this fucking backhanded wiggly shit even if he said

32:19

it he would deny it He would he just

32:21

say didn't say he didn't say it would literally

32:23

just say he didn't even if he presented with

32:25

a tape of Him say it's at least said

32:27

it even they show him that transcript and then

32:29

they play it for him He would still say

32:31

I didn't say that's doctored a steep state doctoring

32:33

a video. Yeah, it's fucking crazy Guys,

32:36

we like the right to contraception.

32:38

Holy fuck the right to

32:40

contraception if you don't believe that

32:43

all of this is absolutely

32:46

a specific

32:49

strategy for the patriarchal

32:51

powers that be to

32:55

100% as much as they possibly can in every

32:57

possible way to Disempower

32:59

and disenfranchise women

33:01

then you are absolutely you've got your head

33:04

up your ass. That's what this is about

33:06

Yeah, this has nothing to do with a

33:08

an ideology or a religious stance This is

33:11

a hundred percent a way to control women

33:13

nothing else. That's what this is about That's

33:15

what these men want to do. They want

33:17

to own women's bodies when we look at

33:20

an election We often look

33:22

at an election as if we're gonna

33:24

vote in this election for this guy or this

33:26

guy And what we often forget

33:28

and this is what happened in 2016 is that

33:30

when we vote for this guy or this guy?

33:34

Those people have an immense amount of power

33:36

about the future not just now not just

33:38

this four years Not just what they can

33:40

do right now but when

33:42

they appoint people to the Supreme

33:45

Court they have an immense amount

33:47

of power on the future of this nation a

33:49

Generational power. Yeah, and that can happen in

33:52

windows in our government, right? Because they normally

33:54

appoint these people and they have what like

33:56

a like a 30 year shelf life something

33:58

like that that they put on And

34:00

so as time goes on, these people

34:02

start to get older and older. For instance, in

34:05

their 70s, there's two people on the right that

34:07

are in their 70s. Thomas,

34:10

and I think it's Alito. I think they're both in

34:12

their 70s at this point. There's

34:14

some younger people on the, you know, you're

34:16

talking about Gorsuch, who I think is like

34:18

late 50s, early 60s. And

34:21

then you have Kavanaugh and Barrett, who are

34:23

in their 40s. So

34:26

you have people who are really young who have 30

34:28

years ahead of them, probably 30 years ahead of them,

34:30

25 years ahead of them. But then you

34:32

have some people who are older. Donald

34:34

Trump gets elected. Make

34:37

no mistake about it. He's going to

34:39

replace the people that are in

34:41

their 70s with 45-year-olds. He

34:47

will have then selected five members

34:50

of the Supreme Court

34:52

by one president. Over

34:54

a span of 12 years, he would

34:57

have selected five members

34:59

of the Supreme Court, and

35:02

those people will have 30-year lifespans

35:04

on the court. You're talking about

35:07

generational change in our country.

35:10

You're not just voting for Donald Trump.

35:12

You're not just voting for Joe Biden.

35:14

You're voting for the future of the

35:17

country, because 70 years

35:19

old is pretty old. Yeah, man. That's

35:21

getting up there. And, you

35:23

know, there is a possibility they

35:25

might not retire if Biden gets elected.

35:28

They might not retire in four years.

35:31

But if things are looking up on the up and up and

35:33

there's nobody there to run in that's going to look like

35:35

they're going to run against the Democrat

35:37

and win because it won't be Biden, Harris

35:39

or somebody else. What's going

35:42

to happen? Then now you're

35:44

looking at eight more years for somebody like

35:47

Thomas, who's been on the court

35:50

for a very long time since the 90s.

35:53

Right. Yeah, that's a guy who's

35:55

been on the court for a really long time. So You're

35:57

not just voting for this guy or that guy. You're voting

35:59

for the future. N N N

36:01

and you cannot get it more

36:03

specific than. What's. Happened What's gonna

36:05

happen in the supreme court the next ten

36:07

years the I ended. Not to mention. All.

36:10

The Federal Court Appointments. Absolutely.

36:13

They make incredibly impactful

36:15

decisions. Like. Wildly impactful

36:17

decisions. not all that is,

36:19

and a president appoints. An

36:21

enormous amount of judges over the

36:23

course of their tenure. And those

36:25

judges steer the ship. They are

36:27

the currents of the water. They

36:30

steer the ship. I have.

36:33

I. Have an idea cecil. For.

36:36

Unrelated dining were decide what is an idea to

36:38

scared me. We should. Start.

36:41

A Sandy Baked Goods. Like.

36:43

Butter based value. I am.

36:46

To. Are. Right

36:48

leaning friends on the supreme. Like

36:51

a lot of the like. Yeah,

36:54

large based butter based baked goods.

36:56

Delicious tasty treats. Death with no

36:58

just would, just delicious copious amounts

37:01

of layered butter. I'm talking like

37:03

laminated those sir. Delicious.

37:06

Lady Pastries The kind of like

37:08

pacers that your health just cries

37:10

out for. You know we are.

37:12

Heart is just like. In

37:14

love with the deliver resolutely

37:17

delicious heartsick Do we butter?

37:19

heart shaped. Chocolate.

37:21

Sailed croissants ja das a you know

37:23

what? I'm talking with us and as

37:25

a way to show or a priest

37:27

more jobs are very different from ours.

37:30

Alicia's do we cholesterol laden of actually

37:32

you really want to lean as hard

37:34

as you can into the shortcomings because

37:36

that they are you at all trans

37:38

fat and it's. The. reason why some

37:40

reason why say that is because of

37:42

the lived on at the way you

37:44

get i'm not yeah that's the as

37:46

a baker you get a nice pass

37:48

yeah i mean it's it's like we

37:50

have all of the amount of leavening

37:52

that you get from the outstanding idea

37:54

about banning guys we should have a

37:56

baked goods drive a large shortening based

37:58

baked goods I want that lady from

38:00

from the help to bake a pie

38:02

for Who

38:05

was the racist southern lady made everything was

38:07

butter Who

38:16

was the southern racist butter lady on the power

38:19

Paula Dean Paula Dean. Yeah, we should

38:21

get Paula Dean They'd

38:23

love some Paula Dean in there for real

38:26

man. Just bake a butter pie or whatever

38:30

She comes in every day Oh, I

38:32

got it for you for y'all What do

38:35

you mean? I could if I wanted

38:37

I've sexual intercourse with you Oh, yes

38:39

Harry And by wearing a rubber sheath

38:41

over my old fella I could ensure

38:43

that when I came off you would

38:45

not be impregnated Oh That's

38:48

what being a protestant's all about So

38:51

in response From

38:53

the New York Times Chuck Schumer plans

38:55

a vote on contraception access teeing

38:57

up a campaign issue now Here's the thing this

39:01

vote will not go anywhere Intentionally,

39:03

right? So it is a show they need

39:05

to do more of these. Yeah, they need

39:08

to there So what they're doing is they're

39:10

saying okay. Hey everybody, let's put contraception The

39:13

right to contraception up and the Republicans will block

39:15

it It will they will not allow this to

39:17

go forward and they will now all have to

39:19

be on the fucking record as saying

39:22

I am unwilling to support the

39:25

right to contraception and like This

39:27

means you won't be able to buy fucking rubbers

39:30

Yeah Right This is that like the

39:32

like a couple of interesting things are gonna happen if

39:34

even if you're just like a misogynist like let's say

39:36

You're just the world's shittiest misogynist and

39:38

you take the air you take that's a

39:40

way as a better shorthand Yeah, let's say

39:43

you're and you take and you're

39:45

not in a Romanian jail You're here and

39:47

you're here in like America and obviously you'd be in

39:49

the south. Right? Yeah, okay So

39:51

you're down in some fucking trash state in the south

39:54

and they pass a couple of different

39:56

laws, right? What are the laws they pass

39:58

is this like fetal personhood? And

40:01

like, let's say it's like, I think it

40:04

may be Tennessee that says, okay, well, we

40:06

can start making you pay child support a

40:08

con at conception. Okay. And then

40:10

at the same time, they create a law

40:12

that says, oh, and also contraception. Nobody

40:14

has a right to contraception anymore. And except for,

40:17

you know, maybe they'll carve something out for married

40:19

couples or whatever. There's

40:21

going to be a lot of dudes paying fucking

40:23

child support for a lot of babies. This

40:26

is just going to be something that happens. There's

40:29

going to be a lot of dudes that don't want to fucking pay child

40:31

support for a lot of babies, Cecil. Yeah, man. That's

40:34

just expensive. They want to do this so

40:36

that they can get more women off

40:39

the workforce. Yeah. They want

40:41

to do this because this is stacking the deck

40:43

to get, because if you take away abortion access

40:45

and then you take away

40:47

contraception, you're basically

40:50

stacking the deck to get more and more and

40:52

more babies. You're getting more babies. And

40:54

the people who have to stay out of the workforce

40:57

for nine months or not that long, a

40:59

couple months at least, at the very least a couple

41:01

months probably, I guess

41:03

maybe even not. Now that I think

41:05

about it, I said that and I don't believe it. I

41:07

think that there's probably people who like... There

41:10

are women who, because they can't afford

41:12

to, they go back to work almost

41:14

immediately. And they stay work almost

41:17

the whole time. So I said that and I realized

41:19

it wasn't true. But a lot of people won't be

41:21

able to. If people did

41:23

it, there's also people who sometimes get

41:25

called for bed rest too, you know, and that sort of

41:27

thing. The other thing

41:29

is like, child care isn't free. But we

41:31

don't just... It's not like they're going to

41:34

be like, no contraception, but it's

41:36

free health care, free child care

41:38

for all kids. They're not saying

41:40

that. They're saying no contraception while

41:43

you fuck deal with it. And then you

41:45

got to think, well, I had several ways

41:47

to deal with it before that you just

41:49

took away. I don't have access to abortion.

41:51

I don't have access to not

41:55

even the day after pill. I don't have access to

41:57

the birth control pill. Right. You

41:59

have no access to... to any sort of contraception,

42:01

you have no access to birth control, childcare,

42:04

like childcare average rates are over

42:06

a thousand dollars a month for a

42:08

single kid. Often it's not even

42:10

worth it for people to do childcare,

42:12

they just stay home. And that's the

42:15

problem, right? Is that then that

42:17

pulls women out of the workforce during

42:19

their prime earning years when they're

42:21

building careers, then they have this

42:23

huge gap in a resume, their

42:25

skills and experience are

42:28

lapsed. They always lack, yeah, very hard

42:30

for them to reenter the workforce and

42:32

they're always chasing, right? They're always

42:34

chasing. Many people don't have family to

42:36

act as childcare help. This

42:38

is a, there are massive

42:41

economic, terrible, devastating economic consequences

42:44

to living in a society where we don't have any

42:47

paid maternal leave, no paid FMLA of any

42:49

kind, not one hour of

42:52

paid FMLA leave protected by law in

42:54

this country. No child support

42:56

help of any kind whatsoever

42:58

in Wisconsin law, contraception

43:01

bans potentially on the rise,

43:04

abortion bans, like this

43:06

is a fucking complete nightmare. And

43:09

I've said this before, but like if all this stuff

43:11

passes, if I'm a

43:13

woman in these states, I

43:15

just wouldn't be fucking people. I

43:18

mean, and I know that's horrible, but like it's too

43:20

dangerous. It would be too

43:22

dangerous to have sex with men in

43:25

an environment where your rights are at this

43:27

kind of risk. Sure, if I was a

43:30

woman, I'd probably try to do something that

43:32

would be an irreversible way to not have

43:34

children. Right, yeah, you'd have another state get

43:36

sterilized. Yeah, get sterilized in some way, because

43:38

the only way to do it is to

43:40

avoid it completely. We got

43:42

a call this week and the problem is, is that

43:44

the call cuts off like right in the middle and

43:46

then like kind of picks up a little bit later

43:48

on. So I can't play it for you and it's

43:51

pretty long, but there was a person

43:53

in Europe who called us after a show we

43:55

did. We recently did a show where

43:57

we talked about people who regretted average and

43:59

chill. So it's a midweek show. It

44:02

was a really interesting conversation We had about

44:04

some articles that Tom had read and there

44:06

it was it was an interesting conversation But

44:08

he said in this call said

44:10

look This

44:13

is a problem for the United States You

44:15

guys are listing all kinds of problems with

44:17

having children all the difficulties of having children

44:20

Most of that stuff is not a thing

44:22

here. I live in Europe. I We

44:25

get tons of time off Health

44:28

care or child care is almost it's

44:30

super cheap every month I don't make

44:32

a lot of money and I'm able

44:34

to afford it. No problem I we

44:36

live in walkable cities where we meet

44:38

other people and we have these groups

44:40

of people who support each other and

44:43

you Know it's just it immensely

44:45

different right immensely different

44:47

feeling than the United States, right?

44:49

Immensely different because in other countries They

44:53

want their that they want the

44:55

people who want to have children have children

44:57

in our country We want to force you

44:59

to have children And

45:01

we live in a culture that is

45:04

toxically independent. Yeah, we

45:06

are we live in a culture that fetishizes

45:08

the idea of personal

45:11

and familial independence to

45:13

a degree that is Wildly unhealthy

45:15

and completely out of step with the

45:17

rest of the world just completely we

45:19

have no strong social

45:23

national Sense

45:25

of community whatsoever. We are not a communal

45:27

kind of nation We are very much an

45:29

individualist nation and that that idea extends all

45:32

the way down into our families Our families

45:34

are little silos. You know nuclear family silos

45:37

We don't even have a lot of extended

45:39

family help. We don't live in multi-generational homes

45:42

We don't build our homes next to our other like

45:44

next to our parents and stuff That's very atypical here

45:46

in the United States. A lot of people move away

45:49

We are very very very siloed because

45:52

we have this toxic independent culture

45:54

toxically independent culture It's

45:56

it's to all of our disadvantage and it's

45:58

reflected like in our tax

46:00

code, it's reflected in the way we build

46:03

our families. And the price that we pay

46:05

is when it comes time to have family or

46:07

to, you know, try to take any kind of

46:10

a risk. There's essentially no safety

46:12

net. Everything is like this

46:14

ultra zero sum high stakes

46:16

bullshit. It's horrible. Yeah. Marco.

46:21

Hello. Marco. Hello.

46:24

Marco. Hello. Marco.

46:27

The story comes from the CDC. Hamilton child

46:29

under five dies of measles. Did

46:31

you say CDC or CBC? I

46:34

don't know what I said. This comes

46:37

from the CBC, not the CDC. Let's

46:39

say right now that Tom and I

46:41

think that if you should vaccine your

46:44

children with the MMR vaccine, because

46:46

if not, they can have

46:48

serious complications. And I'm saying that to

46:50

you, YouTube algorithm. Yeah. Because that's something

46:52

we believe in that you seem to

46:54

miss all the time when we talk

46:57

about this on our show. We aggressively

46:59

believe in the science of vaccination aggressively.

47:01

Yes. Two vaccines. Yeah.

47:04

Not no to it, but yes. Yeah. Yes.

47:07

Vaccines. Yes. Vaccines.

47:10

And this Hamilton child who dies

47:12

under five unvaccinated, there was only

47:14

a few cases of this popping

47:16

up because in

47:18

Canada they feel like there's a good enough

47:21

coverage and like some people slip through the

47:23

cracks. But make no

47:25

mistake. Measles is on the rise in the

47:27

world period. It's on the rise in the

47:29

world itself and it's going to be

47:31

on the rise in the States just

47:34

as soon. It's already on the rise

47:36

here, but you're going to see people die of this. We

47:39

don't talk about how people die from measles very

47:41

often. Everybody's like, Oh, it's just measles. Just the

47:43

measles. Just the measles. Say that to that person's

47:45

parent or that parent of that kid. Say that

47:47

to them. You know, it's just

47:49

the measles. That's not just the

47:52

measles. The measles can kill your child.

47:54

Yeah. There is a big

47:57

vaccines. We talked about this before, but vaccines

47:59

are the. victim of their own success. They

48:02

are so fucking effective, so

48:04

effective that we have allowed

48:06

ourselves to forget the horrors

48:09

and scourge of these

48:11

terrible diseases that for

48:13

millennia or centuries ran

48:15

rampant through the human

48:18

population, killing and blinding

48:20

and maiming and sterilizing people

48:22

as they went and

48:24

disfiguring people as they went. We

48:27

have not had to deal with that,

48:29

not because these diseases have gotten better,

48:31

but because vaccines have made

48:33

us not have to deal with

48:35

this shit. And because

48:37

we are so fucking stupid and

48:39

we've like slandered

48:41

our own good

48:43

actions and goodwill and like scientific knowledge,

48:45

we've slandered that with such great effect

48:48

that we have now come to a

48:50

place where we're turning the clock back

48:52

against the very progress we worked so

48:55

hard to make and people are dying

48:57

and people will go blind and people

48:59

will be disfigured and people will be

49:02

maimed and people will like be unable

49:04

to walk. Just go through a shitty

49:06

couple of weeks too. Yes, right, for

49:08

no reason. There's also a growing

49:11

and more substantial body of evidence

49:13

that many people suffer from post

49:15

viral syndromes that are the effect

49:17

of having gotten something, they think

49:19

they get something, they get over

49:21

it and then years later some

49:23

shit triggers or retriggers a post

49:25

viral syndrome. Long COVID is

49:28

potentially an example of that. Shingles is

49:30

that. Shingles is that. ME CFS is

49:32

one of those things as well. Like

49:34

these are often, we're coming to a

49:36

better understanding that here's a

49:38

news flash, it's better to not get sick. I

49:41

want to say this too. You

49:43

can see video of an

49:46

entire nation walking

49:48

into vaccination centers rolling up its

49:51

sleeves to get vaccinated for polio,

49:53

to get vaccinated for the measles.

49:56

You can see this, we have

49:58

tape of it. of an

50:00

entire nation realizing that it

50:03

was way, way, way better to not

50:05

get sick and to take a vaccine

50:07

than it was to get sick or

50:09

just roll the dice with polio or

50:11

roll the dice with measles. That's what

50:13

the march of dimes was. The march

50:15

of dimes, polio was so scary to

50:17

people. Polio was so frightening. The

50:20

polio vaccine, people were fucking elated.

50:22

They were like beating doors down.

50:24

The march of dimes was people

50:26

literally mailing in dimes to

50:29

fund the creation and distribution

50:31

of the polio vaccine, which

50:33

was leaving kids dead

50:35

or maimed or in iron lungs

50:37

for the rest of their lives.

50:39

It was a terrible, terrible disease.

50:43

It's coming back. There's

50:45

polio. Polio is

50:47

something that in my lifetime, we

50:49

really thought, like the Rotary Club International,

50:51

they were designed to eliminate

50:54

polio worldwide. They got so close

50:56

and they have let a lot

50:58

of that progress has slipped out

51:00

of their grasp because of our

51:03

inability to vaccinate and our lack

51:05

of desire to vaccinate. This

51:08

is so stupid. These preventable

51:10

fucking problems are so mind

51:12

bogglingly. They make me crazy,

51:15

Cecil. They make me crazy. Having

51:19

to deal with this in a way

51:21

that you can be flipping about,

51:23

but there will be a future that you can't

51:26

be flipping about. We had

51:28

to deal with this COVID. That was something

51:30

you shouldn't have been flipping about. There was a lot of

51:32

people who probably were flipping about it. A

51:35

lot of them are dead. Some of those

51:37

people paid a price, the ultimate price. They

51:39

died because they didn't think there was anything

51:41

to the vaccine. We

51:45

saw it in real time. What

51:48

happened was for

51:50

several, like millions of people,

51:52

the exact opposite. They

51:54

saw the exact opposite message. They saw

51:57

it and they thought to themselves, wow,

51:59

that vaccine. looks scary. The

52:05

way that our government officials and

52:08

the technocratic oligarchs that run

52:10

this country allowed

52:12

the messaging around vaccination through

52:15

coronavirus to become bastardized

52:17

and reversed will

52:20

have set back vaccination for all

52:22

disease. I don't know. I

52:24

don't know how long. Certainly years, there

52:26

will be dead children that are in

52:28

the wake of this. Joseph

52:31

Sin Cabbage started flying some new flags

52:34

on his Stratford house this week. The

52:36

US flag, probably obvious reasons. Yeah, it's

52:38

a lot of countries flying obviously, yeah.

52:40

And the Nazi flag. There's a

52:42

couple of stories here, Cecil. The first one

52:44

from Salon. Out of control,

52:46

legal experts say Justice Alito's Stop

52:48

the Steel symbol is a huge

52:51

red flag. What

52:53

happened was Alito's

52:56

wife supposedly, they

52:59

were having a feud with a neighbor. The

53:02

neighbor, I think, had a fuck Trump

53:04

sign. Nobody tells you

53:06

what sign they had, but it

53:09

supposedly was a

53:11

sign that degraded Trump and

53:14

was profane. So my thought is it's a

53:16

fuck Trump sign. I don't know

53:18

what it was. I read that it was like F-Astrid,

53:20

Astrid, Astrid Trump. So I think it is. I

53:25

saw something like that too, but I saw it in a

53:27

paper and thought maybe they couldn't write fuck. So

53:29

that might be too. I don't know. But

53:31

in any case, they thought it was filthy.

53:33

And so what they did was, now this

53:35

is, there's a picture taken of

53:37

Alito's house on January

53:40

17th of an upside

53:42

down American flag. Now the upside down

53:44

American flag means nation

53:46

in distress. And it,

53:48

not a nation, it really means like a

53:50

ship in distress. It's made for like shipping

53:53

when people were like had fucking boats and

53:55

they would say, oh, that

53:57

flag's upside down. Oh, they need help. we'd

54:00

go up and help the ship. It

54:02

was co-opted by the Vietnam movement. I

54:05

talk about this on the other show, I

54:07

do lawful assembly. We just covered this and

54:09

talked very extensively about Alito, but

54:11

we also talked about this particular thing and

54:15

how the Vietnam war

54:18

protestors co-opted this. And then it became

54:20

sort of a symbol of sort

54:23

of anti-American symbol. And then the January

54:26

6th people, to stop

54:28

the steel people stole it and used it as

54:30

a way to say, stop the steel. It was

54:32

to stop the steel song. Well, it

54:34

was in his yard after January

54:36

6th, 11, or yeah, 11 days after January

54:39

6th, it

54:41

was photographed in his yard. And

54:44

there's another story where there's a beach house

54:47

where they have an appeal to heaven flag,

54:50

which is like another

54:52

flag that is also like a

54:54

far Christian right flag that was

54:56

also involved in the attack of

54:58

the Capitol. I wanna

55:00

also say, because it bears noting, I think,

55:02

that his contention,

55:06

his defense was, oh, my

55:08

wife had beef with a neighbor like you described. And so

55:10

my wife put this sign up, that's

55:12

not a defense. And here's why it's not

55:14

a defense. The justice

55:16

and his family are all under

55:19

no illusions that they are not

55:21

to be politically partisan. So

55:24

reacting at all to a fuck

55:26

Trump is partisan.

55:29

Reacting in any way, it doesn't matter what the, even

55:32

if you knocked on the door of

55:34

your neighbor and was like, hey, take

55:36

that fucking sign off your lawn, that's

55:38

a politically partisan moment. Like

55:40

all his job to do is to

55:42

see that and drive fucking past it

55:44

and not say boo to fucking anybody.

55:47

That's it, because if he sees

55:49

fuck Trump on somebody's lawn and

55:51

he's enraged and he's incensed by

55:53

that and he feels the need

55:55

to respond in a public way

55:57

with some other symbol, that's a

55:59

partisan. activity that is

56:01

like it's just like it even if

56:04

he read a there's

56:06

nothing that he could do in response to fuck

56:08

Trump that is not partisan. Literally

56:10

nothing. I think imagine

56:13

that this was a Trump sign instead. Imagine if

56:15

it was a Trump flag. Yeah. Right. Imagine that.

56:18

Isn't it isn't it kind of I mean it

56:20

feels like it is they're trying to make it

56:22

out as if it's it's it was it's not

56:24

about the stop the steal stuff. It was just

56:26

a way to react to

56:28

the neighbor to say I don't

56:31

know I disapprove. That's sort of

56:33

what they said. But then that

56:36

doesn't explain on their vacation house

56:38

another another flag that is used

56:40

by the same group of people

56:43

who were assaulting the Capitol. Right.

56:45

The one thing that that is the

56:47

worst part about this whole thing is

56:50

like Ginny Thomas is

56:54

Clarence Thomas's wife and she's

56:56

part of she's texting Mark Meadows throughout this

56:58

whole process. Yeah. All that this is all

57:00

going on even after

57:02

the January 6th thing happened. You've

57:06

got now it comes out that Alito's wife is also

57:08

part of this if she is I don't know could

57:10

be him. We don't know. But

57:12

let's make a presumption that these two families

57:16

they're so deep in what's happening

57:18

with Trump. Yeah. Yeah.

57:20

Like aren't

57:23

these supposed to be really smart people. Right.

57:25

I mean like listen to these people talk

57:27

with I haven't had I haven't had an

57:29

opportunity to ever really listen to him until

57:31

I started this other podcast Lawful Assembly. Now

57:33

I listen to on occasion I'll listen to

57:36

arguments at the Supreme Court and

57:38

I'm always impressed with how smart

57:40

and articulate and and and to

57:42

the point and being able to

57:44

remember so many things and having

57:46

such a deep knowledge base. I'm

57:48

always impressed by everyone. And it

57:50

doesn't matter who they are. I'm

57:52

impressed by every single one of

57:54

those justices. I think they're all really

57:57

really hyper smart people hyper

57:59

achievers. These are people who you know

58:01

you don't want me on that court right? I'm

58:03

a fucking lazy fuck I would be terrible at

58:05

that job. I would be terrible at that fucking

58:07

job. That's what I would describe. But seriously though

58:10

I would be a terrible fucking justice I wouldn't

58:12

be able to do the job that they do

58:14

I recognize the difficulty of that

58:16

job and the amount of intellect it would

58:18

take to do that job well or even

58:20

do that job poorly the amount of intellect

58:22

it would take. No I do too. Yeah,

58:24

it looks how the fuck

58:27

do you get so bamboozled by Trump?

58:29

I know. That you're putting this what

58:31

what is happening, right? And I

58:34

just I can't it's hard for me

58:36

to explain it. I just can't explain

58:38

it. I can't either It's it's it's

58:41

baffling and embarrassing. Yeah, and we're at

58:43

a place where you have Just

58:46

I think really clear political

58:48

actors in The

58:51

Supreme Court like this as sitting

58:53

justices you have what is

58:55

just very obvious grift

58:58

and bribery going on with

59:01

Clarence Thomas and Alito Like

59:04

it's really not subtle. Yeah, it's just

59:06

it's just like out in the open

59:08

It's embarrassing and shameful and like

59:11

it's every this is a scandal.

59:13

Yeah, it's an outrage It's

59:15

just there's nothing we can do There's nobody that

59:18

that is willing to take up the mantle to

59:20

go after them in order to get

59:22

them out of there It would take too many votes. You'll

59:24

never be able to impeach him. The best you could probably

59:26

do Is get them in front of

59:28

you, right? Get them to a

59:31

hearing right? That's the best that you could Hopefully

59:34

do but you can never be able to

59:36

do it. Well The Republicans have

59:38

the house so you'll never be able to do

59:40

something like that Yeah, the Republicans want them there

59:42

because they're shills Yeah And so you're in a

59:44

you're in a situation now where you can't even

59:47

get them out to have a to ask a

59:49

question They can't even do that the

59:51

person who has I think some some

59:54

power over them or at least could exercise

59:56

and make their life a little more difficult as

59:58

Dick Durbin our senator because he's the

1:00:00

chair of the judicial committee. But

1:00:03

he's even come out and said, I want

1:00:06

him to recuse himself, clearly he's biased,

1:00:08

but I'm not gonna do anything about

1:00:10

it. Like I will ask him, but like that's all

1:00:12

he's getting. He's not gonna do any kind of hearings

1:00:14

or any of that stuff. And

1:00:17

there's a possibility that that's because, you know,

1:00:19

again, I talked about this on the other

1:00:21

show that I do, but there's a possibility

1:00:23

that he's doing it because he recognizes that

1:00:25

it's a bad political decision to do something

1:00:27

like that. Makes the

1:00:29

Democrats look petty or something. And so he

1:00:32

might have, you know, this is a guy

1:00:34

of career politicians. So maybe he knows what

1:00:36

I don't know, but it certainly feels like

1:00:38

we're letting the Supreme Court get away with

1:00:41

regulating themselves and basically breaking every rule

1:00:43

we thought we had with them. I

1:00:46

mean, of all the people in the

1:00:48

country that should be nonpartisan, this

1:00:50

is a group of people who should be

1:00:53

nonpartisan. They should at least appear it, right?

1:00:55

You know, I don't expect that he's not

1:00:57

fucking nonpartisan behind closed doors, but

1:00:59

outside in the open. Yeah,

1:01:02

man, I mean, it feels

1:01:05

so incredibly ballsy to

1:01:08

do something as flagrant as fly a

1:01:10

flag. There's no pretense. Once

1:01:14

you do that, there's no pretense as

1:01:16

a justice that that's not going to

1:01:18

get noticed. And

1:01:20

it's such a giant, it's literally a

1:01:23

symbol. And you're like, yeah, fuck

1:01:25

you. He's not gonna, why would he recuse himself?

1:01:27

He's flying that flag. It's

1:01:30

not like he got home from work and was

1:01:32

like, holy shit, and like ran over to the

1:01:34

fucking flagpole and cut that thing down and like

1:01:36

brought it back inside. Like, ran in was like,

1:01:38

we can't fly a fucking upside down flag, I

1:01:40

don't care how mad you are at the Joneses.

1:01:43

Like, that's not what happened. He's

1:01:45

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1:01:47

with it. So there's not gonna be a recusal

1:01:49

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