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we've gotta start off with a lead story, our

2:00

lead story, unfortunately,

2:03

sadly, honestly,

2:05

devastatingly from the New York Times. Let me read this

2:07

to you guys before we comment

2:10

on it. New York Times,

2:13

charity founder embezzled millions and spent on

2:15

lavish meals, US says. Prosecutors

2:18

say the Keith Taylor, head of Modest

2:20

Needs, crowdsourced donations for the poor would

2:22

spend hundreds of thousands of dollars at

2:25

high-end restaurants. The

2:28

head of a charity called Modest Needs was

2:30

charged Tuesday with embezzling $2.5 million to

2:34

rent a Columbus Circle high-rise, have

2:36

cosmetic surgery and dine regularly at some

2:38

of Manhattan's most expensive restaurants. The

2:41

charity executive Keith Taylor was accused in a

2:43

federal complaint of siphoning money donated through the

2:46

charity's crowdfunding platform into

2:48

personal accounts, ducking more

2:50

than a million dollars in taxes and

2:52

creating a fictitious board of directors populated

2:54

with the names of unknowing acquaintances. Keith

2:58

Taylor falsely claimed that donations with

3:01

unexpected expenses that put them at the risk of homelessness.

3:04

Damien Williams, the US attorney for the Southern District of

3:06

New York, said in a statement,

3:09

he added that instead, the defendant had

3:11

defrauded the charity's donors and

3:13

unconscionably took money from the pockets

3:15

of those most in need. Mr.

3:18

Taylor, 56, was released

3:20

from custody Tuesday on a $250,000 personal recognizance

3:22

bond. Brian

3:26

Ketchum, Mr. Taylor's lawyer, said Tuesday evening

3:28

that his client denies the charges and

3:30

intends to clear his name. Modest

3:33

Needs, which Mr. Taylor founded in 2002, claims

3:36

to provide emergency grants to low-income

3:38

workers who are at risk of slipping

3:40

into poverty, according to its website. In

3:43

2009, Mr. Taylor told CNN he got the

3:45

idea from Modest Needs after reflecting on a

3:48

small but significant act of kindness that helps

3:50

him pay his rent after a costly car

3:52

repair. Sometimes, he said, $10 or $20 can

3:55

help people make ends meet. The

3:57

organization's YouTube page and website are filled.

4:00

urgent pleas. In appeals

4:02

to would-be donors, people described heart-wrenching

4:04

circumstances that prompted them to seek

4:06

help from strangers like child care

4:08

costs, medical debt, and looming evictions.

4:11

Modest Needs humble pitch to donors took off,

4:14

as did Mr. Taylor's profile. During

4:17

the six years starting in 2016, the

4:19

charity brought in about $9.9 million in donations according

4:22

to the complaint. But of that, only

4:25

$5.9 million was spent

4:27

on business costs distributed as grants were

4:29

paid to employees other than Mr. Taylor.

4:33

Prosecutors say that Mr. Taylor took money meant

4:35

to help the most needy and instead spent

4:37

it on some of America's most expensive food.

4:40

Between 2016 and May of this year, Mr.

4:42

Taylor spent more than $320,000 on

4:46

meals and drinks at Manhattan's restaurants according

4:48

to prosecutors. In five

4:50

years starting in 2017, the complaint said Mr. Taylor

4:53

spent more than $101,000 as

4:56

Jean Georges, a two Michelin star restaurant in

4:58

Midtown where one of the people falsely listed

5:01

as a board member worked as a bartender. The bartender told investigators

5:03

that Mr. Taylor was

5:07

a regular at the restaurant, sometimes visiting its bar twice a

5:09

day. Prices at the restaurant

5:12

ranged from $32 for a plate of pasta to

5:14

$188 for ribeye steak for two. Another

5:19

favorite of Mr. Taylor's was

5:21

Per Se, a Columbus Circle restaurant in Midtown, a

5:24

Columbus Circle restaurant with three Michelin stars

5:27

and a nine course tasting menu that

5:29

cost $390. Prosecutors say Mr. Taylor spent

5:31

more than $68,000 there. At Masa, one of America's most acclaimed

5:38

sushi restaurants, the complaint says Mr. Taylor spent

5:40

$25,930 in the same period. The

5:46

complaint also says Mr. Taylor spent more than $300,000 on rent at

5:48

a luxury high rise just minutes

5:52

from the restaurants. His voter

5:54

registration lists his residence as an apartment on

5:56

the 30th floor of a building overlooking

5:59

central... Park. Monthly

6:01

rents for a two-bedroom unit on the upper

6:03

floors range between $6,000 and $7,000, according

6:08

to the real estate listing site StreetEasy. Between

6:11

2020 and 2022, Mr. Taylor spent $63,000

6:14

on his own medical expenses, which included

6:17

cosmetic surgery, according to the complaint. Melanie

6:20

Cochran of Nashville became a friend of Mr. Taylor's almost

6:22

two decades ago, and they've stayed in touch over the

6:24

years. His foundation even gave

6:26

Ms. Cochran a few hundred dollars to cover the cost

6:29

of her car payment, she said. She

6:31

said she applied for the funds several months ago, and

6:33

the money was sent directly to Carmax on her behalf.

6:36

She said she was shocked by the charges. The

6:38

foundation has helped a lot of people, Ms. Cochran

6:40

said. He's very smart and very kind and has

6:43

a lot of empathy. Ms.

6:45

Cochran said she last saw Mr. Taylor during

6:47

a New York City visit about two years

6:49

ago, during which they enjoyed an expensive dinner

6:51

with plenty of drinks at Deliessen's Saracen, a

6:53

vegan restaurant in Greenwich Village. To

6:56

her knowledge, the foundation was still operating when

6:58

they spoke about a month ago, she said,

7:00

although Mr. Taylor said it was going through

7:02

a hard time with many people requesting assistance

7:05

and few donors giving. The

7:07

new complaint isn't the first time Mr. Taylor's leadership

7:09

has been called into question. In 2012,

7:12

Charity Navigator, a website that rates

7:14

nonprofits, issued a warning to prospective

7:16

donors. It described a $26,000

7:18

loan from the charity to Mr. Taylor's

7:21

personal coffers that was itemized in the

7:23

group's tax filings. Mr.

7:25

Taylor sued Charity Navigator the following year,

7:27

saying it had been retaliating against him

7:29

after he questioned its methodology. He

7:32

dropped the suit not long after. The

7:34

warning has been removed from the site

7:36

and Modest Needs currently has a four

7:38

star rating, the highest. In

7:41

2014, American Express sued Mr. Taylor over

7:43

more than $31,000 in credit card debt.

7:47

The company did not pursue the case beyond the initial complaint,

7:49

but three years later, it sued him again over an

7:51

unpaid sum just under $30,000 on the same account. That

7:53

dispute ended with

7:56

the court ordering Mr. Taylor to pay his

7:58

outstanding balance and additional legal. costs. But

8:01

Mr. Taylor's modest needs maintained a high

8:03

profile and solid reputation. In 2020, it

8:06

was included in a New York

8:08

Times article that suggested ways to

8:11

help strangers during the COVID-19 pandemic.

8:14

In a CNN interview in 2002,

8:16

Darren Kagan, a former anchor, introduced

8:18

Mr. Taylor as just an

8:20

average guy with a really big heart trying

8:23

to help people in need. Come

8:25

on, tell the truth. You're this high rolling, really

8:27

rich guy who's spreading his money around, right? Mr.

8:29

Kagan asked Mr. Taylor teasing. I wish

8:31

he started to respond before cutting himself

8:34

off. Not hardly. I

8:36

want to say before we start, Tom, can I jump in

8:38

here real quick? I just want to say, I

8:42

want to first, if these allegations are

8:44

true, I want to apologize on behalf

8:46

of us for

8:49

asking people to send money to modest needs.

8:52

And I want to fully, myself

8:54

only, take the blame

8:56

for picking modest needs as a charity.

9:00

Modest needs was suggested through

9:02

another group that was vetting charities that

9:04

were secular charities. And it was another

9:06

group that

9:09

was when we first

9:11

started looking for places to donate. And I found

9:14

them. I did what

9:16

I thought was some due diligence. I looked

9:18

them up, I looked at their ratings, I

9:20

checked some things out. And

9:22

when we were asked

9:24

what charity to choose, it was my

9:26

choice and my suggestion to go with

9:28

modest needs because modest needs really

9:31

touch something inside of me

9:33

that was very personal, right? I had

9:36

a very difficult childhood when I was

9:38

eight years old, the bank foreclosed on

9:40

our house, kicked us out, the

9:42

sheriff came and evicted us. We lost our

9:44

car, we lost everything. And a little

9:47

bit of money in those

9:49

situations would have really changed a trajectory

9:51

in my life. And we didn't have

9:53

it, right? There was a moment

9:56

a while after that where someone

9:58

did give us a car. for

10:00

a dollar and it changed, it literally

10:02

changed the trajectory of where we were

10:04

going to a different

10:06

place. My dad was able to get a job then and

10:08

it really changed the trajectory of our life. And it was

10:11

a tiny bit of good that somebody did. And

10:13

I thought when I saw this, I thought that's

10:15

what Modest Needs is doing. And

10:17

so I was the one who pushed for

10:19

this charity. I was the one who suggested this charity.

10:22

I was the one who looked into this

10:24

charity. This is my fault. The guys on

10:26

scathing and Tom, they followed my

10:28

lead on this. So I want to make sure

10:30

to mention this is my fault. This is something

10:32

I did and I made a

10:35

huge mistake. I didn't realize and I

10:37

had no idea any of this was

10:39

happening. And how could I? And

10:42

I am actually out if

10:44

again, if these allegations are true, Tom

10:46

and I are out tens of thousands of

10:48

dollars that we donated to Modest Needs personally.

10:51

So I was also tricked. But

10:53

I definitely want to say like, this

10:56

is definitely something that I pushed for a

10:59

lot and this is my fault. Well, and

11:01

I want to add something to that.

11:05

We were

11:08

all of us, including the New

11:10

York Times in 2020, deceived potentially. So

11:15

if these allegations are true, there was literally no

11:17

way for any of us to know this. Not

11:20

you, not me, not the New York Times when

11:22

they vetted presumably the

11:24

same charity to suggest it as

11:26

part of the COVID-19. They help other people. Four

11:28

stars, by the way, on charity navigators. Go four

11:30

stars on charity navigators today. It's still four stars.

11:33

You know, what I want to say is, and

11:35

I was seasonal, I talked about this, I

11:37

saw this article today and it

11:39

is now the only thing I can think about in

11:41

the middle of my day trying to work and accomplish

11:43

the things I have to do. And it's

11:45

the only thing I can think about. You know, modest

11:48

needs has been a point of

11:52

real personal pride for me.

11:56

I had always wanted, Cecil and I talked about from the

11:58

beginning, we'd always wanted to do. something

12:01

with this show, some

12:03

way to give back. Charity was an important

12:06

part of the show from before the show

12:08

even had income. We actually did our first

12:11

charity drive long before Patreon

12:13

existed. Before the show itself

12:15

had income, we were organizing

12:17

and raising money for charity because it's part of

12:19

our values. And so when

12:21

this vulgarity for charity thing took off and we

12:23

were raising this money for modest needs, I

12:26

used to sit with my wife and I'd be like, we raised

12:28

this much money and the average gift is $700 and that means

12:30

we helped 1265

12:34

people or whatever the number was. I

12:36

would equate it down to the people and I had this real

12:38

sense of like real pride in

12:41

having been a part, a small part. For

12:44

me personally, reading this

12:46

article, what I have been really

12:49

having a hard time with is this ruins my

12:52

sense of pride in that

12:56

accomplishment for us, for me

12:58

personally. I can't feel good

13:00

about this anymore and

13:03

I just can't. I can't feel good about this anymore. But

13:05

I do want to say this to the audience that if

13:08

you gave money to modest needs,

13:11

you should still feel good about it because your

13:13

heart was in the right place. You,

13:16

the audience, I'm sad

13:18

and I'm disappointed and I have a

13:21

tremendous loss of faith here.

13:24

But I think if you're in the

13:26

audience and you donated that money and you gave

13:28

money to modest needs, I just want

13:30

to say like all we can ever do

13:32

morally is the thing we think is right at

13:35

the time we do it. Yeah, absolutely. There's

13:37

no way for us to have a different

13:39

moral calculus than that. But I'm still so

13:41

proud of the audience. Because what

13:44

I've seen is $740,000 of the heart and soul of very, very good people

13:50

who tried to help and

13:52

I think did help. You

13:54

know, it's not good. This

13:57

is a terrible article but on the facts of

13:59

the article, not... 9.9 million over this

14:01

course of time was raised 5.9 did

14:03

go to charity causes So

14:05

it's not like all of the money even if

14:07

these allegations are true. It's not like all of

14:09

the money was siphoned off a Way

14:12

too much of it, but it sounds like around

14:15

60% of it still went

14:17

to good causes So I do still want

14:19

to say I have always maintained how proud

14:21

I am of our audience Yeah, how proud

14:23

I am of the kind nature how proud

14:25

I am of the generous spirit how proud

14:27

I am of the moral Goodness

14:30

of people that listen to our shows and

14:32

reach into their wallets and reach into their

14:34

hearts and try to help It

14:37

certainly changes the equation for me But

14:40

only in the sense that like I

14:42

don't feel good about having organized something

14:44

that that now has this

14:46

black mark on it But I still

14:48

feel incredible pride and in our audience

14:51

and who they are as people and

14:53

as moral characters Yeah, I

14:55

agree wholeheartedly Tom. I think like the

14:57

amount of good that they were willing

14:59

to do is Amazing

15:01

and if these allegations are true even

15:04

still That money still

15:06

did help people and I want people to

15:08

recognize that it wasn't like you gave your

15:11

money and your money was wasted If

15:14

these allegations are true, then your money

15:16

went to people that were in need

15:19

it also it seems fueled

15:22

a Sort

15:24

of lavish luxurious Lifestyle if the New

15:26

York Times is correct or if the

15:29

if the allegations like I say are

15:31

true It fueled a lavish lifestyle that

15:33

we had no idea was happening whenever

15:35

we talked no idea He

15:38

was very Gracious,

15:40

but he he always seemed like he

15:42

was looking out for the people who

15:44

he was helping and We

15:47

are just as much a victim as every single

15:49

member of the audience in the sense that we

15:51

were taken in and we gave You

15:54

know a ton of money to

15:56

this this cause over multiple years. There's

15:58

multiple matches that we've done on

16:00

our own and so many thousands of

16:03

dollars. Yeah. I don't

16:05

think it's an understatement to say tens

16:07

of thousands of dollars went to modest

16:09

needs from our personal accounts. And

16:12

it was it was because we really did

16:14

trust in not as needs. So if these

16:16

allegations are true, I'm I'm

16:18

devastated. I'm absolutely devastated. John,

16:22

your time mix watching a digital

16:24

age. All right. So

16:26

this story comes from the Daily

16:28

Beast. It demands Biden remove ad

16:30

of him calling dead soldiers suckers

16:32

and losers. Man, it sucks

16:35

living in a digital age where someone could just

16:37

get what you said from somebody else and then

16:39

you said certain things that

16:42

can be, I don't know, sent back

16:44

to other people. It's just crazy to live

16:46

in a digital age, Tom. It's you know,

16:49

this is like the president of gaslighting

16:51

and has been for the longest time.

16:54

Right. And he literally said things and

16:56

then turned around and been like, I never said that.

16:58

And you've got it on tape. Like

17:01

you the lock them up thing. I never

17:03

said lock them up. We've got like six instances

17:05

on tape of you saying it. Yes,

17:08

you did. Yes, you did. I

17:11

remember very clearly I have

17:13

a recollection of covering it on this

17:15

show, Cecil, when he was

17:17

referring to John McCain,

17:20

right? Yeah. He was the

17:22

prisoner of war. And he said, like, I prefer

17:24

guys that I prefer my heroes to not be

17:26

caught in capture or something along those lines. And

17:28

I remember when he said that

17:30

how unbelievably appalling that was. And

17:33

I remember being like, oh, that's the death knell of his candidacy.

17:36

I remember being like, America will

17:38

not stand for that kind

17:40

of bullshit. And we did. We

17:42

stood for it. We fucking elected it. You

17:44

know, that was that was the 2015 2016

17:46

run up, if I'm not mistaken. Yes. Yes.

17:50

Absolutely unbelievable.

17:52

But like there's a part

17:55

of me that's like, you know, if I

17:57

would love to be the editor putting together

17:59

attack ads against. Trump right now because

18:01

there is like a volume of

18:03

material. But I also wonder

18:05

like how much people can even be swayed

18:07

by reality anymore. Does reality matter? I don't

18:10

know that answer. I don't think so. I

18:12

don't think it does. I also think too,

18:14

what's interesting about this is there is, you

18:17

know, this particular one of

18:19

these particular statements is from

18:21

someone else who said they heard him

18:23

say it. Right. So one

18:25

of these statements is from someone who said they

18:27

heard him say it. So him denying it. Sure.

18:30

But like genuinely all the things

18:32

you've said add up

18:35

to us thinking you probably said

18:37

this. Right. Yeah.

18:39

Look, the likelihood of

18:42

him having said this is in my

18:44

mind, literally 100% because he has denigrated

18:48

soldiers in the past. This is a

18:50

guy who doesn't like if

18:52

you, you know, if you're if you're on the record,

18:54

like dropping end

18:57

bombs and I've got six cases of

18:59

you on the record dropping end bombs

19:01

and then like you're trying to dispute

19:03

the sevens. It's not

19:05

even interesting whether it's true or not. Right.

19:08

Because the sentiment is there. The sentiment is

19:10

100% there. The

19:12

thing is like, yeah, I know that some

19:14

of this stuff is kind

19:16

of hearsay, right? If I heard somebody, I heard

19:19

he said this or whatever. Like

19:21

the thing about John McCain. Like

19:24

that's I think that's on video. Like I think

19:26

that was like that. Like some of the

19:29

things he said is on video,

19:31

right? Some of it is, is him

19:33

saying it. But I think the very the

19:35

suckers and losers comment is not

19:37

it's a comment from someone else who heard

19:40

him say it while they were

19:42

touring. And here's the other thing. Here's the other

19:44

thing. He

19:46

came out on his true social or

19:48

whatever and he said, I never said anything about

19:50

World War I victims. And you're like, dude, you

19:52

were in Normandy. Yeah, I know. One

19:55

never came to the normal. You

19:57

don't even know a fucking war.

20:00

You're talking about man. I know when was

20:02

the member the gaff the the Revolutionary War

20:04

gaff about the airports Yeah, do you remember

20:06

that this guy doesn't know shit about the

20:09

military doesn't know shit about history Like

20:12

he's a genuinely awful Stupid

20:14

human being and if he gets

20:16

reelected it will be despite

20:18

who he is Yeah, right It'll

20:21

just be because there's a certain electorate of

20:23

people that is just mad and wants to

20:25

see the world burn Well, man,

20:27

and he's the guy holding the match.

20:29

He can absolutely sway the military and

20:31

he has for many years I know

20:33

there's a military people who aren't

20:35

swayed right? I know there's people in

20:37

our audience They're in the military that

20:39

are not swayed by anything Trump says,

20:41

but I think broad strokes wise I

20:43

think the military largely wants him rather

20:46

than Biden And so I

20:48

think you're looking at a group of

20:50

people who he would

20:52

regularly insult Just

20:55

taking it being like yeah, no problem. That's cool.

20:57

Wait, does that feel crazy to you like it

20:59

was crazy to me I don't know that was

21:01

a part of the sort of like I don't

21:04

know this zeitgeist of America that was

21:06

always unassailable Right. It didn't

21:09

matter who you were You had

21:11

to be like everybody's for the troops doesn't matter what the

21:13

troops are doing at any given time You had to be

21:15

for the troops if you were a politician You're

21:17

for the troops if you were here in first

21:20

on an airplane you better. Yeah, you better be

21:22

for those people That's right

21:25

So it's fucking like and now I guess

21:27

you could just say the most awful shit

21:30

and the troops themselves would be like that tracks

21:33

And I'm just like what is happening anymore?

21:35

Like yeah this guy You

21:38

feel like you could be captured and he'd be like

21:40

there like the guys that aren't captured Like

21:42

what are you talking about? What is happening anymore?

21:45

Every single time they come to with one of

21:47

these Elaborate plans to get hostages

21:49

eyes like I don't like those people Got

21:52

captured in the first place news.

22:00

President Joe Biden says he will not

22:02

pardon his son, Hunter Biden, if he's

22:04

convicted on gun related charges. So he

22:07

is convicted. Hunter Biden was convicted.

22:09

And he was convicted because he did

22:12

this. Right. I mean, the case was as

22:14

from everything that I read and listened to,

22:16

it's an open shot case, right? He

22:18

lied on an application. You can't

22:20

lie on an application to get a gun. He had a gun for 11

22:23

days. He lied.

22:25

Like you lied on the application. That's a

22:27

felony. You can't do it. Now, typically,

22:30

from everything I've also read, these things are

22:32

not prosecuted at this level. These

22:35

are typically not the government does not usually

22:37

bring to bear this kind of resources for

22:39

this kind of almost administrative thing.

22:41

That being said, I don't care. Yeah, I don't

22:43

care. He's fucking guilty. Whatever, man. You shouldn't do

22:45

this shit. You did this shit. Don't fucking commit

22:47

a felony if you don't want to be a

22:49

felon. Like this is like, I don't

22:52

know, man. Like, this is I don't feel bad

22:55

for this. I don't feel

22:57

anything. Right. This is just, this

22:59

is basically if someone were

23:01

telling me about anyone else in

23:04

the world who committed a crime, got

23:06

prosecuted and went to jail for it

23:08

or had some sort of sentencing. If

23:10

it doesn't matter who they were, if

23:12

I heard it, I would say, okay.

23:14

And then that would be the end of the conversation. You

23:16

told me a thing. I heard it

23:18

and now I just agree. Okay. That seems,

23:21

I don't know. I normally hate the justice system for

23:23

a lot of things it does, but in

23:25

this case, it seems like it was pretty fair. And

23:28

so I don't really care. I will

23:30

say that right after he was

23:33

prosecuted and right after he was,

23:35

he was, the

23:38

verdict came back guilty. There was

23:40

a back and forth that I

23:42

saw via headlines that they said

23:45

he hasn't ruled out that he would do

23:47

this for his son. That's my now. And

23:49

I, and I think those were coming from

23:51

farther right media outlets. Cause I just did

23:53

a search right now and I cannot find

23:55

a single one of them now. I

23:57

think he has come out after the fact and said,

23:59

I will. not pardon him. Yeah, I didn't

24:01

see anything from the Biden camp at all

24:03

that suggested in any way that he was

24:05

going to pardon his son if he was

24:07

going to... And he shouldn't. He shouldn't. No,

24:09

he should not. He shouldn't commute. He shouldn't

24:11

pardon him. He shouldn't do anything. No, he

24:13

should let it be. He should just fucking

24:15

let it be. Give yours not a hug.

24:18

Right. Send him a care

24:20

package in prison. Visit him, be

24:22

supportive when he gets out. He's supportive. You know,

24:25

but like, I think there's two things that are

24:27

real important about this. The first

24:29

is to remember that Hunter Biden is not

24:31

and never was a government employee of any

24:33

kind. Was not involved

24:35

in the federal government, did not have a job in the

24:37

federal government, was not like... It's

24:39

not like fucking Don Trump Jr. and not

24:42

like fucking the rest of these chuckle fuckers.

24:44

Jared Kushner. Right. You know, that

24:46

fucking weird fucking uncanny valley Jared Kushner.

24:48

Yeah, that fucking guy and his weird

24:50

daughter he wants to fuck that he

24:52

hired and like his ugly fucking weird

24:54

inbred son, Donald Jr. Like

24:56

it's not like any... Hunter Biden never worked for the government.

24:59

He's a private citizen that did something

25:01

stupid and they got prosecuted. It literally

25:03

means nothing politically. Yeah, it's no different

25:06

than if your cousin Phil did

25:08

the same fucking thing and got prosecuted.

25:11

If there's no connection here to anything

25:14

political, except for that this prosecution

25:16

probably would not have happened if

25:19

this were not political. Right? That's

25:21

the only thing political. That's the only political

25:23

thing about this. The other thing that is

25:25

worth noting here is that there

25:27

is no like screaming banshees

25:29

of Democrats saying, let them out.

25:32

The system is rigged. The good

25:34

justice system is being weaponized. Like

25:37

no, the response from the left has been

25:39

like, yeah, that tracks. Sounds

25:42

good. It's gonna be the same. That's it.

25:45

When they finally decide whether or not the

25:48

Senator Mendez or whatever, if he's... If

25:51

he's killed. Robert Menendez? Yeah.

25:54

Right. Hold

25:56

on. What? What? Let

25:59

a man care. Yeah, you know

26:01

a for Menendez. I do

26:03

care I want him if he if he

26:05

if he committed the crime. Oh, yeah use

26:07

of oh absolutely I aggressively want to be

26:09

prosecuted. Yeah, I can make a let it

26:12

go to jail hundred percent make an example

26:14

out of that do yeah You know

26:16

we we invest a lot of

26:18

power in these politicians Absolutely beg

26:20

us for their job, right? Yeah

26:23

Stand up on the goddamn campaign

26:25

trail and they beg and they

26:27

plead and they cajole and they

26:29

promise in order for us to

26:31

say Fine fine fine. I'll fuck

26:33

you on prom night And then we fuck

26:35

them on prom night and they turn around

26:37

and do this bullshit Right

26:40

and when they turn around and do this bullshit and

26:42

they betray us we need to make an example I

26:44

actually have said for a long time that I do

26:46

believe that if you are a Civil

26:49

servant and you commit a crime as a

26:51

civil servant and that crime is committed Using

26:55

your powers as a civil servant that

26:57

there should be a multiplier to your

26:59

sentence. Yeah, it should be max plus Yeah,

27:01

it should be like whatever if I did the

27:04

same thing You know,

27:06

it's like a regular guy. There should be

27:08

like a 2x multiplier like I'm fucking candy

27:10

crush it Yeah, that's plus and and you're

27:12

not wrong because it this is the exact

27:14

opposite of what the Republicans are arguing for

27:16

Trump Right exactly. They're arguing that he should

27:18

be immune to these things He should be

27:20

able to do bad things while in office

27:22

And if he does those bad things while

27:24

he's in office with the power of the

27:26

presidency We should just look the other way

27:28

because there's no way he could act and

27:30

if he unless he was doing something immoral

27:32

or whatever I don't even know what the

27:34

fuck their argument is a dumb argument, but it

27:37

should be the exact opposite It

27:39

should be if you use your powers while you're

27:41

in office And we found that you use your

27:43

powers to enrich yourself or do something that is

27:45

immoral and against the law and we catch

27:47

you We're gonna fucking we're gonna throw so many

27:50

fucking books. Are you gonna be look like that

27:52

hot dog girl? Fuck

27:57

it I would I agree with you

27:59

a hundred percent time, take it

28:01

to these people and make them so they're terrified

28:03

of doing the wrong thing while they're in office.

28:06

Yeah, I actually- If you want to become a

28:08

deterrent, this is the deterrent time. I

28:10

feel like there should be a category of,

28:12

and we've talked about this for other positions

28:16

of great responsibility as well, if

28:18

you're a teacher, if you're a priest,

28:20

if you're a politician, if you're a

28:22

cop, if you want to take on these jobs

28:25

and then you commit certain abuses of

28:27

the power within those jobs, those should

28:29

be a different crime. You know what

28:31

I mean? It should be

28:33

like fraud, like wire fraud

28:35

for regular people, and there should be a

28:38

separate crime called wire fraud as a goddamn

28:40

politician. And whatever the punishment

28:42

would be for Joe

28:44

regular committing wire fraud, if you get charged

28:47

with wire fraud as a goddamn politician, it's

28:50

the hammer, man. It's the hammer. The

28:52

same thing if you're some teacher that's

28:54

diddling kids or some priest that's fucking

28:57

kids or some cop that's committing some

28:59

horrible abuse of your authority and power.

29:01

If you're going to take on a position

29:03

of trust and authority in a society, there

29:06

needs to be literally a different crime

29:09

that multiplies. And we do this, Cecil.

29:11

There are already this, there's a precedent

29:13

for this. Certain

29:15

crimes that are committed, if they

29:17

are committed with a firearm, that

29:20

firearm is an aggravating circumstance

29:23

that increases the penalty. We

29:26

already have precedent for saying, look,

29:29

some shit's just more dangerous. And

29:31

I really think that if you

29:33

violate a social contract in one

29:35

of these like trusted authority spaces,

29:38

like it should be it should be terrifying. I

29:40

agree. You could be like biting your fucking nails.

29:44

Feeling frisky tonight, fellas? Yeah.

29:48

Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

29:51

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

29:55

So what is this one, Cecil? Now

29:57

we're just saying the crimes were committed.

29:59

Now we're just. naming them. No we're just

30:01

naming them. He's looking across at each other like no

30:03

you go, now you go. What is happening? Now you're

30:05

naming a crime. From Salon,

30:08

Donald Trump admits he still has

30:10

a gun despite felony convictions.

30:13

It is a violation of federal law

30:15

for someone convicted of felonies to possess

30:17

a gun. Now he does say that

30:19

the third gun was lawfully moved to

30:22

Florida, but like

30:25

if it's a violation of federal law,

30:28

you can't lawfully move your gun

30:30

because you can't gun. You can't

30:33

gun man. I mean like you aren't

30:35

allowed to gun anymore. That depends

30:37

on how much Florida

30:39

is willing to let like federal investigators

30:42

see him right. How much protection he

30:44

gets in Florida from DeSantis. They're

30:46

just running around with like murals

30:48

in front of him all the time that there's

30:50

like like a roadrunner spot like the tunnel spot

30:52

you know that there's one dude who stands near

30:55

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31:41

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his legs and like comes up for

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31:50

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31:52

So I

31:56

Wonder about this. Like maybe more. You know,

31:58

smarter listeners can can email. Me but like.

32:01

If. I had a gun and I thought I was

32:03

going to be convicted of a felony. God.

32:06

Is give my wife that gun. Like.

32:08

As a present. He I don't

32:10

know I know here in Illinois. I

32:12

believe I could just gift people guns

32:14

like it's like. There's

32:16

no registry. Yeah, So. You

32:19

can do. I don't know the ever done by

32:21

somebody. Yeah, I don't like that because I'm like

32:23

I'm I'm trump. I just blacked out on how

32:25

many guns like Molony of their gun line. Is

32:27

that a lot of guns? I didn't I knew

32:29

why. Nominees thing, as a young woman Imo says

32:32

yeah, right. Well. As I as

32:34

actually becomes kind of an interesting question to like

32:36

if there's a gun in your house. Who's.

32:39

Gone is it. It's like yeah, I'll tell your story real

32:41

quick. I worked at

32:43

this and his office job. And. It

32:45

was crazy. Office job run by complete. Numb.

32:48

Scholes for a longest time. And it's late at

32:50

night. I used to work late nights all the

32:52

time. It's late at night, maybe ten thirty, eleven

32:54

o'clock Some like that, I'm in my office and

32:56

I'm slogan away at whatever nonsense I was slog

32:58

away on. And. I get this

33:00

knock on my door and and. And

33:03

this guy's head peers and is one of the sales

33:05

guys and he was also work anybody's working late nights

33:07

at the time. A. Oh say. Is

33:10

that your fire in the kitchen? What?

33:13

And. I jump up. And. I'm the

33:15

manager. Yeah, I jump up and run to the kitchen. And.

33:18

A toaster oven was extremely very much

33:20

on fire. killing flames and licking out

33:22

of the toaster oven out of like

33:25

all the venting and everything. Violating.

33:28

The Cabinets. Run over.

33:30

We've got to crucify. are you there? was. A

33:33

grub, a fire extinguisher, and I put the follow

33:35

up. And I turned and looked

33:37

so. When. There's a fire.

33:40

Best. Everybody's Fire. You.

33:43

Have a sniper fire

33:45

or you're fired. Yeah,

33:47

I let our fire.

33:50

is not chicago i didn't put up all

33:52

the plot cone out there is my if

33:54

i heard of now i feel like get

33:56

our house while with a god is and

33:59

of like every Like, feel like

34:01

it's everybody's gun. Cause yeah, everybody can just pick

34:03

it up, man. It's everybody's gun. Yeah. Just

34:06

say it out loud. Yeah, I lawfully moved

34:09

that illegal firearm. Great. God,

34:12

I hope they fucking nail him on this. Can't

34:14

be hilarious. Keep getting away with crimes, too. It's

34:16

crazy because you know that other

34:18

people would, in their conversation

34:21

with their fucking parole officer, that

34:23

would be one of the first things

34:26

they'd said is, hey, do you

34:28

have any guns? You're not allowed to have guns

34:30

anymore. You know what I mean? There would be

34:32

something there. But from what

34:35

I can gather, the parole conversation

34:38

was done via Zoom. It was shortened. It was,

34:40

you know, there was a lot of, he didn't

34:42

have to go through all the hoops that most

34:44

people who are felons have to do. Which, you

34:46

know, there's part of me that understands, you know,

34:49

when he talks about what his job, what his

34:51

job history was. I mean, how long are

34:53

you going to spend on that? But

34:55

I also recognize, too, that, you know,

34:57

you committed a crime. Do the things

34:59

that are required of you. I

35:01

mean, your party, even though I know it's

35:03

not true, your party purports to be the

35:06

party of law and order. So maybe follow

35:08

one single law once. Cecil, did

35:10

you see all the hullabaloo about

35:13

that when they raided Mar-a-Lago for the

35:16

documents, that the FBI

35:18

warrant had like

35:21

a language in it that

35:23

essentially you could shoot him if

35:25

he resists or whatever. Like it

35:27

had standard language on every search

35:29

warrant that basically says that you're,

35:31

that they're allowed to go

35:33

in looking for this stuff. They're allowed to

35:35

be armed and they're allowed to, you know,

35:37

use deadly force if necessary to effectuate the

35:39

story. I mean, the United States police force

35:42

of some kind, they all use deadly force.

35:44

So it's the standard boilerplate language is my

35:47

point. I don't remember exactly what it said.

35:49

It's the standard boilerplate language around, hey, the

35:51

cops are armed and the FBI is armed

35:53

when they show up, right? Like they're not

35:55

showing up with their pretty please jacket. Yeah.

35:58

And Trump got... a hold of

36:00

the language on the warrant recently. And

36:03

he's been tweeting or truthing or

36:05

whatever that they sent

36:07

like death squads. And

36:09

then he was moments away from being

36:11

a self-ductinator. Their job, their bad man.

36:14

We need better death squads, Tom. And

36:17

the best part is not only

36:20

was this boiler plate language that

36:22

is literally in every search warrant

36:24

that's used by the

36:26

FBI when they're doing this stuff, it's just literally

36:28

just always in there. But

36:31

he specifically went to Mar-a-Lago

36:33

when he wasn't there. So

36:36

like the death squad was like,

36:38

we're definitely not going to be there when you're there

36:40

though. That's the death

36:43

squad. And he is truthing out that

36:45

Biden, that this was an assassination attempt.

36:47

Wow. This was an assassination of a political

36:50

rival attempt. He's truthing this nonsense out. You

36:52

need to fire the appointment

36:54

guy for your death squad. Because that guy's

36:56

not good. He's real bad at what he

36:58

does. The guy who looks at everybody's calendar

37:00

to make sure everybody's going to be on

37:02

the right call, he needs to go. It's

37:07

like when they decided they wanted to

37:09

like catch Koresh,

37:11

David Koresh. And

37:13

instead of like getting him on one of his many

37:15

like runs when he would go jogging, they were like,

37:18

sure, let's definitely wait till he's in his compound full

37:20

of guns and get them then. Full

37:22

of guns and children. Full of guns and

37:24

children. Let's definitely knock on the door at

37:26

that time, not when he's like out jogging

37:28

alone. Do

37:34

I make myself clear? I'm

37:39

sorry I wasn't listening. Ow,

37:41

fucking fascist. Stay

37:43

out of Malibu, Lebowski.

37:46

Stay out of Malibu, deadbeat. So

37:51

we had a real problem at the courts, New York Times

37:53

and secret recordings. Alito endorses nation

37:56

of godliness. Roberts

37:58

talks of pluralism. The two justices. was surreptitiously

38:00

recorded at a Supreme Court gala last

38:02

week by a woman posing as a

38:05

Catholic conservative. So

38:08

holy shit, here is, let me read some

38:10

pieces of this article to give you guys

38:12

some context. So there was a woman, as

38:14

noted, who was posing as a Catholic conservative.

38:16

She was secretly recording. Justice

38:19

Alito told this woman, this woman's name is Lauren Windsor.

38:22

He said, one side or the other is going

38:24

to win. There can be a way of working,

38:26

a way of living together peaceably, but it's difficult,

38:28

you know, because there are differences on fundamental things

38:31

that really can't be compromised. So

38:33

Ms. Windsor pressed Alito further and he

38:36

said, well, I think that the solution really is

38:38

like winning the moral. No, she

38:40

said, I think that the solution really is

38:42

like winning the moral argument. Like

38:45

people in this country who believe in God have

38:47

got to keep fighting for that to return our

38:49

country to a place of godliness. And

38:51

Alito responded by saying, I agree

38:53

with you. I agree with you. This

38:58

is supposed to be a

39:01

neutral, non-political,

39:04

non-partisan legal

39:07

arbiter at the very highest

39:09

level of our court. And

39:12

this is a guy who is

39:14

agreeing wholeheartedly with the statement that

39:16

in this country, those who believe in

39:19

God have got to keep fighting to return

39:21

our country to a place of godliness. That's

39:23

all you need to know now about what

39:26

his agenda setting role will be

39:28

in the courts. Yeah. And

39:30

I saw a little pushback from different places

39:32

on this. And one of

39:34

the pushbacks I saw was when you listen to it,

39:36

and I did listen to this, I did listen to

39:39

this audio. They say that

39:41

you can maybe hear what Alito is doing is

39:43

trying to get out of a conversation. That he's

39:45

sort of just saying something to be like, yeah,

39:47

yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of not really

39:50

super agreeing, but he sort of just sort

39:52

of, you know, and I want to throw

39:54

that out the window because

39:57

she did the same thing to Roberts and

39:59

Roberts. Roberts said that like basically

40:02

either said that what she was talking

40:04

about wasn't something he really wanted to

40:06

talk about, or she was just wrong

40:08

and that, you know, the country is

40:10

actually a pluralist nation and that's just

40:12

not the case. So what he did

40:14

was uphold the precedent and not give

40:17

anything away, kept his cards close to

40:19

his vest, like what you would expect

40:21

from a Supreme Court justice instead of

40:23

just opening up and saying, oh, no,

40:25

yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree.

40:27

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And he

40:29

was just agreeing, like, I want somebody who's

40:31

more like Roberts in this situation than I was,

40:34

even if he was just trying to get out

40:36

of a fucking conversation. I want somebody who actually

40:38

knows how to do it instead of somebody who

40:40

fucks up and just agrees with people. Well, let

40:43

me read what Roberts said and then I'll yes

40:45

and that because I think it

40:47

is such a stark contrast. So

40:49

the same lady says, Ms.

40:53

Wenzer's assertion that the court had an obligation to

40:55

leave the country on a more moral path. Because

40:58

you want me to be in charge of putting the

41:01

nation on a more moral path, the chief justice said,

41:03

that's for the people we elect. That's not for the

41:05

lawyers. Then Ms. Wenzer pressed the

41:07

chief justice about religion. She said, I believe that

41:09

the founders were godly, like we're Christians and I

41:11

think that we live in a Christian nation and

41:13

that our Supreme Court should be guiding us in

41:16

that path. And Justice Roberts said,

41:18

I don't know if that's true. I

41:20

don't know that we live in a Christian nation. I

41:22

know a lot of Jewish and Muslim friends who would

41:24

say maybe not. And it's not our job to do

41:26

that. I

41:28

don't care if Alito feels like

41:30

he doesn't want to have this conversation. I've

41:33

had a million conversations that I've been trying to get

41:35

out of and I do not agree

41:38

wholeheartedly with principles that

41:40

violate my personal ethic.

41:43

I don't do that to get out of a conversation. I

41:46

don't believe that he did that to

41:49

get out of a conversation. I don't

41:51

believe that you can contextualize, that you

41:53

can pull that out of context, I should

41:55

say, with the flags that are being flown

41:57

at his home, with the views of his

41:59

most trusted most loved person in his life,

42:01

presumably his wife, and the things that she is

42:03

on record as saying, which we'll talk about as

42:05

well. I don't think with

42:07

his decisions on the court and

42:10

his reasoning in those decisions, which

42:13

is spurious at best and obviously

42:15

agendized, I don't

42:17

think that it is even remotely

42:19

reasonable to say, oh, well, this

42:21

one thing, which is literally in

42:23

keeping with all of his actions,

42:25

his family's actions and his decisions

42:28

is somehow the one thing that

42:30

we should give a fucking

42:32

side eye to. That's a crazy thing

42:34

to say. I agree. I agree. And

42:37

I also think too, this article

42:40

makes a connection between what

42:42

this reporter did with Secret

42:45

Tape and Project Veritas. Now

42:47

Project Veritas, if you don't

42:49

remember, this is the group

42:51

that surreptitiously recorded the Planned

42:54

Parenthood group, and then they

42:56

edited that footage and handed

42:58

that back. And

43:01

during that whole thing, there

43:03

was a bunch of people who sort of

43:05

went off on Planned Parenthood saying, oh, they're

43:07

trying to sell embryos, they're trying to make

43:09

money off of this stuff. They're

43:12

killing little kids. It's just awful

43:14

stuff that they were saying, awful,

43:16

untrue stuff. And it wasn't

43:18

based really on what was said, but the

43:21

way the thing was selectively edited, it

43:23

made it seem like that there might

43:25

be true. But here's

43:27

the thing, here's, I think, the very big difference

43:30

between these two things. The

43:33

Planned Parenthood is funded through

43:36

as a nonprofit. So there's a board, there's

43:38

a bunch of people who pay attention to

43:40

what's going on. They're also funded partially by

43:42

the government. So the government also gives them

43:44

money, they get grants and things from the

43:46

government. So there's some checks

43:48

and balances, there's something there that can

43:50

be like, oh, we're making

43:54

sure that everything's going okay. And

43:56

there's discipline and we'll pull their funding if

43:58

they don't report it. certain way, etc,

44:00

etc. But

44:03

fucking there's nothing, there's literally

44:05

nothing that is in charge

44:07

of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court

44:09

has, they can do

44:11

anything they want, and there

44:14

is nothing above them that can

44:16

even remotely reprimand them in any

44:18

way. There's nothing. And

44:20

the only way you're going to get

44:22

this kind of information ever is through

44:24

this method. And that's the only way

44:26

that we, the people, can keep an

44:28

eye on them and keep track of

44:30

what they're saying. They should

44:32

always presume, no matter what,

44:34

in their entire life that they're being

44:36

recorded. And if they did, maybe they

44:38

would do a better fucking job. Yeah,

44:42

I want to yes, Sam, that I've got a couple of things.

44:44

Like, here's a big difference

44:46

between this and the Project Veritas.

44:48

Project Veritas was only ever available

44:51

in an edited format. That's what

44:53

Project Veritas put out there. The

44:55

entire audio here is completely available

44:58

entirely unedited. You

45:00

can just listen to the entire

45:02

audio without edits. That's

45:05

a massive difference. That's the difference

45:07

between somebody offering the

45:09

entire audio with full context

45:11

and somebody selectively editing something

45:13

to skew a vision to

45:15

sell something that didn't fucking

45:17

happen. If you try to

45:19

compare those as somehow being one to one,

45:21

because they

45:23

use the same technique, they delivered an

45:25

entirely different product. It's

45:27

not a fair comparison. I

45:30

also will say this. I don't

45:32

believe that public officials

45:34

should attend any

45:36

event other than a

45:38

personal social event that

45:41

is not entirely transparent to the

45:43

people. Yeah, they should not,

45:45

they're literally nothing. They should not attend

45:47

a fundraiser. They can go to Family

45:49

Christmas, Thanksgiving, a holiday or

45:51

birthday party. That stuff should not

45:53

be public, but

45:55

literally anything that they do where they attend

45:58

as a justice, meaning The

46:00

reason they got that invitation is because

46:02

they were a fucking Supreme Court justice.

46:06

If the reason you attended is because you

46:08

were Supreme Court justice, that's on my dime,

46:10

bitch. Yeah, man. I own

46:12

that. I have full transparency to that. You

46:14

don't get to go to a gala and have privacy.

46:17

You don't get to have that. And if

46:19

you don't like that, then what you should

46:21

do is not be a Supreme Court justice.

46:23

Literally, nobody asks you. Or just stay in

46:25

your office and make decisions. Yeah, that's it.

46:27

Don't ever go to one. Here's

46:30

the thing, because more importantly, here's the thing.

46:33

One of the guys who you

46:36

said that he helped convince Alito

46:38

on the Dobbs decision said he

46:40

did so through this very

46:42

particular gala. Yes. That this was

46:44

one of the ways in which he

46:47

interacted with the Supreme Court justice.

46:49

And he claims that he was

46:51

able to bend the ear and

46:53

maybe shift the opinion of a

46:55

Supreme Court justice because he had

46:58

access to him. So fuck you.

47:00

No, absolutely not. You should 100% presume

47:04

that there's fucking mics hanging from the ceiling.

47:06

Yeah, I think, I honestly think that we

47:08

should require that if you are

47:11

going to attend because you are a

47:13

Supreme Court justice, it's a work event.

47:15

All work events should be

47:17

transferred. We should mic it. Like

47:19

the fucking, like we should. Yeah,

47:21

we should mic it. We should mic it. That's

47:23

a fucking body camera. You can't turn half to do it.

47:25

Yeah, it's like a cop body camera. And if you don't

47:27

like that, then don't, like you said, don't attend the event.

47:30

Don't go. Like, it doesn't mean you can't

47:32

go to your fucking, you know, niece's bot mitzvah.

47:34

Go to the fucking bot mitzvah. That's fine. That's

47:36

not something you got invited to because you were

47:38

a Supreme Court justice. But if

47:40

the reason you were invited is because you were a

47:42

Supreme Court justice, that's on my dime. Hey,

47:46

Gilmore, you suck,

47:48

you jackass. Why don't

47:50

you shut the hell up? So

47:53

let's talk about Alito's wife from the New

47:56

Republic. Alito's wife caught on tape spewing venom

47:58

at everyone. This is Martha Ann. Alito

48:00

who sounds Cecil like one of

48:02

the worst people ever. Oh,

48:04

if you hear this she is 100%

48:07

that Crazy

48:10

older lady who just wants to speak to

48:13

the manager man And also

48:15

her ideas around what a feminazi even is

48:18

or what a feminist is are very very

48:20

confusing I got let me let me go

48:22

and read some of this from the secret

48:24

recording again. This is from the same Journalist

48:27

who made this the recording

48:30

we just discussed Windsor first

48:32

approached Martha and posing as a Christian conservative to

48:34

express her sympathy over Everything that

48:36

you're going through referring to the highly

48:38

public publicized flag hanging It's

48:41

okay. If they come back to me, I'll get

48:43

them Alito said cheerfully. I'm gonna be liberated and

48:45

I'm gonna get them What do

48:47

you mean by they Windsor asked? There's a

48:49

five-year defamation statute of limitations Alito said letting

48:51

out a laugh I don't know

48:54

what you mean by they like get them Windsor

48:56

pressed the media Alito said going

48:58

on to complain about her coverage

49:00

in The Washington Post style section

49:03

from two decades ago While

49:06

maintaining her cheerful tone Alito also took

49:08

aim at any woman who suggested her

49:10

husband would have prevented her from hanging an

49:12

appeal To heaven flag a symbol revived

49:14

by a Christian national effect and favored

49:16

by January 6th insurrectionists at her vacation home

49:19

She says quote the other thing

49:21

the feminazis believe is that he should

49:23

control me so they'll go to hell

49:25

He never controls me. I just want

49:27

to pause there and be like if

49:30

you're a hardcore Feminist you

49:33

don't believe that your husband

49:35

controls women Yeah, I

49:37

don't know his little of hardcore. I think

49:39

she's responding to the people who said, you

49:41

know Why did Alito

49:43

let his wife do that and

49:46

I think what she's missing is she's thinking that

49:48

it's a control thing rather than

49:50

just a respect for your husband's position

49:52

because it's a very delicate position and

49:54

right and means a lot to the

49:57

country and I think she's Misunderstanding

50:00

why people are saying you

50:02

should, you know, your husband maybe should

50:04

have said something to you because one

50:07

we thought maybe he had some sort

50:09

of inkling of a moral responsibility for

50:11

something like this. And two,

50:13

we also thought that maybe you respected

50:15

your husband enough not to try to

50:17

ruin his fucking life at work. Yeah,

50:19

I know. That's exactly right. That is

50:21

exactly right. Again, this

50:23

is another circumstance where it's like if

50:26

you decide to take on this extremely

50:28

high profile role as a

50:30

public servant, your whole family has to get on

50:32

board. Your whole family doesn't want

50:34

to get on board. Don't accept

50:37

the job. I literally know. I can't

50:39

imagine sympathy on this at all. Yeah. And

50:42

then she says, when Windsor asks what

50:44

someone who has the same flag should do,

50:46

Alito responded simply, don't get angry, get even.

50:49

There was one group that Alito seemed to admire. It's

50:51

not exactly one that people are often praising. Look at

50:53

me. Look at me. I'm German from Germany. My heritage

50:55

is German. You come after me. I'm going to give

50:57

it back to you. And there will be a way.

50:59

It doesn't have to be now, but there will be

51:01

a way. They will know. Don't worry about that, she

51:03

said. Jesus Christ, she's a

51:05

vindictive shitty lady. She

51:07

sounds like the worst. She says, you know what I want?

51:10

I want a sacred heart of Jesus flag because I have

51:12

to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the

51:14

next month. And he's like, oh,

51:16

please don't put up a flag. And I

51:18

said, I won't do it because I'm deferring

51:20

to you. But when you are free of

51:22

this nonsense, I guess being a civil servant,

51:25

which is a lifetime appointment, I'm putting it

51:27

up and I'm going to send them a

51:29

message every day. Maybe every week I'll be

51:31

changing flags. They'll be all kinds, she said,

51:33

fantasizing about the day when she could finally

51:35

antagonize her neighbors who support the LGBTQ plus

51:37

community. God, she sounds

51:39

so fucking bad. She sounds like such

51:41

a bad person. And also, I saw

51:44

a post this week that was like,

51:46

you're not German, you're from Kentucky, lady.

51:48

Like, your fucking family has German

51:50

roots from way back in the day, but

51:52

you're from Kentucky. Get the fuck out of

51:54

here. This is like, I actually

51:56

like, I kind of am always annoyed by that.

51:58

It's like, oh, I'm a... I'm Irish. Okay, look,

52:01

I'm Irish in the sense that my family came over

52:03

in like 1782 or something. I'm

52:07

not a fucking Irish. I'm Italian.

52:10

Yeah, I'm Italian in that my

52:12

fucking grandfather came over on a boat. Yeah, right.

52:15

My dad was American. I'm American. I

52:17

was born an American. That's something Italian

52:19

shit. I didn't even say like fucking

52:21

someone else made that up. Mouth

52:24

sounds in general make you sound stupid. This

52:27

story is from the Hill. Colorado GOP

52:29

calls for burning of pride flags. Colorado's

52:34

Republican Party this week called for

52:36

LGBTQ pride flags to be burned,

52:38

describing LGBTQ Americans as godless groomers

52:41

in a fundraising email and multiple

52:43

social media posts. Burn all the

52:45

hashtag pride flags this month. The

52:48

state GOP wrote Monday on the social platform acts. Fucking

52:51

yikes. Earlier Monday, an email

52:53

sent by the party with the subject

52:55

line, God hates pride, perpetuated the false

52:58

claim that LGBTQ people are grooming children

53:00

to abuse them. Quote, they

53:02

also did one that said God hates

53:04

flags, which is a

53:07

which is a play off of what

53:09

fucking the Westboro Baptist Church used to do.

53:11

Oh, for real. Yeah. Yeah.

53:14

So God hates flags. Oh, my

53:16

God. So they did

53:18

that instead. They thought, oh, this is

53:20

going to be, you know, we're so

53:23

they're linking their party to the Westboro

53:25

Baptist Church, one of the most hated

53:27

religious organizations in the country and

53:29

was and has been for a decade.

53:32

Right. At least a decade. They've been one

53:34

of the haters. Most heinous hated religious

53:37

organizations in the country. They

53:40

use groomer language like

53:44

I would say proudly. Oh,

53:47

very proudly. Yeah. So these

53:49

people are gross and disgusting. And this

53:51

isn't a small organization. This is the

53:53

Republican Party of Colorado. This is one

53:56

of the states in our union. This

53:58

is their fucking. spokesperson

54:01

for their fucking group man absolutely

54:03

people and there's another story here

54:06

about a Person

54:08

who's a log cabin Republican who's upset

54:11

that they got this message They were

54:13

the one who was targeted with this

54:15

message God hates flags and groomers and

54:18

he went out and said that's awful You shouldn't

54:20

do that and people just fucking flamed him. They

54:22

thought oh fuck you you shouldn't

54:24

belong to this party So these people

54:26

who have been voting them in they've

54:29

alienated Some of the

54:31

people who even voted them in because they

54:33

thought it couldn't happen to them Well, guess

54:35

what? It can happen to you if you

54:37

support people who oppress people like you. Thank

54:39

you It's like I read that other article

54:41

where the guy seemed like shocked to

54:44

learn what his fucking party stands for

54:46

Yeah, like where have you been? This

54:48

isn't new. This is like I don't

54:51

Doesn't that feel like lying doesn't it feel

54:53

like you're you're like that you can't believe

54:56

this right you can't possibly Believe

54:59

this because they have been

55:01

so vocal for so long The

55:03

Republican Party has been I mean, this is not

55:05

like a subtle thing. It's not a new thing

55:07

They didn't shift their stance here. They didn't suddenly

55:09

take a more, you know Aggravating

55:13

opinion on this topic. The Republican

55:15

Party has always stood Always

55:18

stood for bigotry. They're proud of

55:20

their bigotry bigotry is a literally

55:23

has been a tenant It's built

55:25

into their party platform So like

55:28

when this guy was like, oh and then I

55:30

saw this email and now I don't I feel

55:32

like this is divisive And you're like, yeah That's

55:35

what wedges shoes are man. Yeah, wedges

55:37

shoes are literally intended to drive a

55:39

now hear me out on this I

55:43

It's a whole thing it's built into

55:45

the goddamn term you liar I Was

55:49

I have no sympathy for this shit. I have

55:51

no sympathy for that like I'm a Republican But

55:53

you know, I think there's room. There's no room.

55:55

There's no fucking room. There is no

55:58

room. You can't be like hey Hey, you

56:00

know, the Ku Klux Klan

56:02

is a little misunderstood because their

56:04

fucking pancake breakfast have great pancakes.

56:08

They're fucking racist, man. Yeah,

56:10

like that's how this works. It's

56:12

built into the it's built into

56:14

like their actual documents. Like you

56:16

can't read Project 2025 and

56:19

walk away with a different conclusion. You

56:21

can't read, you know, their their policy

56:23

and platform positions, state after state after

56:25

state after state after state. You can't

56:28

read their national platform when they bothered

56:30

to write one. You can't look at

56:32

the commercials they run, the candidates that

56:34

they run and be like suddenly clutching

56:36

your goddamn pearls. Yeah,

56:39

no, I totally agree. And the other people I want

56:41

to talk to, you know, the

56:43

gay people are clearly a target for this,

56:45

right? They don't like gay and trans people.

56:47

They want to burn your flag. They think

56:49

they think they hate you,

56:51

right? They call they'll call you a groomer. They

56:53

think that you're a pedophile. But I want

56:55

to say this to the people who, you

56:58

know, might be on the fence with the

57:00

Republicans that also are atheists, they're

57:02

using God as a club, right? They're

57:04

using God as a weapon. They don't

57:07

like you either, man. They don't fucking

57:09

like you at all. They don't want

57:11

you as part of their party. So all

57:14

that leopards ate their face shit. But this

57:16

dude is doing, you will do too. Mark

57:18

my fucking words. They don't fucking like you. They

57:20

don't want you. They don't want you there. What

57:23

they want to do is they want to ram

57:25

that shit down your throat and they want to

57:27

ram that shit down every American throat. They

57:29

want this country to be straight. They want

57:31

this country to be cis and they want

57:34

this country to be godly and they will

57:36

do whatever they can to make sure that

57:38

happens. And if you ride their train because

57:40

you like lower taxes, even though that's

57:43

a fucking lie, if you ride

57:45

their train because of that, guess what? They're bowing

57:47

you off at the first fucking stop, man. Exactly

57:49

right. That is fucking exactly right. This

57:51

is, this like faux

57:53

outrage bullshit is disingenuous. It makes

57:56

no sense. We

57:59

have known what's this snake was. If you were

58:01

willing to pick it up to get fucking cheaper

58:03

taxes or whatever it is that you thought you

58:05

were going to get out of it, whatever deal

58:08

with the devil you thought you were going to

58:10

make at the fucking crossroads and now you feel

58:12

fucking betrayed, like get the fuck out

58:14

of here. That's dumb.

58:16

That is a dumb, stupid, dumb

58:18

idea. It's from yahoo.com.

58:20

Phony news portals surpass

58:23

US newspaper sites, according

58:25

to researchers. Partisan

58:27

websites masquerading as media outlets

58:29

now outnumber American newspaper sites,

58:32

according to a research group that tracks misinformation.

58:36

We've talked a lot about misinformation. We've

58:38

talked a lot about this particular tactic

58:41

of creating websites

58:43

that look like they are from Putnam County,

58:45

Illinois, the Putnam County B, that kind of

58:47

stuff. What bad actors, often foreign

58:54

actors, but sometimes local partisan actors, both

58:57

left and right wing, have come to

58:59

understand is that there are

59:01

many, many, many, many cities and counties that

59:03

do not have a public

59:07

online news presence. Yeah. They

59:09

are ripe for the picking

59:11

in terms of domain

59:14

name searching, domain name purchasing.

59:17

Then they just create a news

59:19

site that looks local. You could

59:21

just put a weather widget on there. You

59:24

could put some fucking classified widgets in

59:26

there, that kind of bullshit. They spoof

59:29

the look, the feel, the skin

59:31

of local news as

59:33

a way to push

59:35

out hyper-partisan misinformation. Yeah.

59:39

Tom, man, you called this so early. You

59:45

said AI is going to make this easy, AI

59:48

writing for it, AI writing for

59:50

these particular outlets. You were right.

59:52

AI is making it easier and

59:55

easier and easier for you to

59:57

find fake news sites on

59:59

their website. or like Tom said, left

1:00:01

or right. And these

1:00:03

are very often foreign actors

1:00:05

trying to stir up stuff

1:00:08

between different parties in the United

1:00:10

States. So I'm gonna say right now, try

1:00:13

to get your news whenever you can

1:00:15

from a trusted source. And if we

1:00:17

say something on here, check the link.

1:00:20

And if you think something we posted

1:00:22

wasn't true or something you saw wasn't,

1:00:24

we welcome all corrections. We 100% want

1:00:26

as many corrections as possible. And we

1:00:29

wanna make sure that everything

1:00:31

we say is as true as

1:00:33

possible. But I also wanna caution

1:00:36

you, don't listen to us. Don't

1:00:38

get your news from podcasts. Get

1:00:40

your news from trusted news sources,

1:00:42

places that are vetted, that you've

1:00:45

gone to for years. These are

1:00:47

institutional journalistic organizations. And

1:00:49

then get your news from those places and

1:00:51

then get your, maybe it'll inform

1:00:54

your opinion if you listen to

1:00:56

podcasts like ours or other podcasts

1:00:58

like us, where you can then

1:01:00

maybe get some analysis of those

1:01:02

stories, but don't take the facts

1:01:04

for granted. Yeah, and if

1:01:06

you want, and I'm only half kidding, I'm

1:01:08

not kidding at all. If you want

1:01:11

our real advice too, on

1:01:13

how to find and vet news sources,

1:01:15

we do happen to have a book about

1:01:18

this. The Grand Unified Theory of Bullshit does

1:01:20

touch on, and I think pretty great detail,

1:01:23

literally how to do this. But

1:01:25

another thing that I often advise

1:01:27

people, especially young people to look

1:01:29

for, is look for

1:01:31

who's advertising. When

1:01:33

you open up a website, what

1:01:36

are the ads on that website? What is

1:01:38

the most obvious revenue stream when that website

1:01:40

pops up, right? When you go to the

1:01:42

New York Times, the only thing on there

1:01:44

is the New York Times. If you're not

1:01:46

a subscriber, it's like, it basically says, hey

1:01:48

man, you wanna read this? You can subscribe,

1:01:50

there's a revenue model, it makes sense. It

1:01:53

makes sense, it's right there. If you

1:01:55

open up a lot of this garbage news,

1:01:57

there is no discernible revenue model. Or,

1:01:59

Or if there are ads, there's ads for

1:02:02

fucking supplements and boner pills

1:02:05

and fucking colloidal silver and

1:02:07

other hucksterisms. So

1:02:09

if hucksters advertise on

1:02:11

huckster sites, Nike

1:02:14

vets, right? And

1:02:17

I'm just using them as an example. Don't send me your email about how

1:02:19

you hate Nike. I get it. But what I'm saying

1:02:21

is big corporations vet where

1:02:23

they put their money. So

1:02:26

if big corporations are on your

1:02:28

site that you're looking at, there

1:02:30

is a higher, not perfect, but

1:02:32

a higher likelihood that that site

1:02:34

itself has been vetted in some

1:02:36

way as having some legitimacy as

1:02:38

a site that doesn't necessarily make

1:02:40

the news on it good. But

1:02:42

at least it will tell you

1:02:45

that the site itself has been

1:02:47

corporately vetted by partners that have

1:02:49

a monetary interest in it not

1:02:51

being, you know, Chinese propaganda bull.

1:02:54

Oh my God. I'm

1:02:58

never going to financially recover from that.

1:03:01

All right. See, so this story comes from

1:03:03

the AP. This is baby steps toward

1:03:06

our goal, our dream, our one

1:03:08

wish and desire to get the

1:03:10

Alex Jones info wars desk. Alex

1:03:12

Jones, personal assets to be sold

1:03:14

to pay $1.5 billion. Sandy

1:03:17

Hook that company bankruptcy

1:03:19

is dismissed. Houston,

1:03:22

a federal judge on Friday ordered

1:03:24

the liquidation of conspiracy theorist, Alex

1:03:26

Jones, his personal assets, but dismissed

1:03:29

his company's separate bankruptcy case, leaving

1:03:31

the immediate future of his info

1:03:33

wars media platform uncertain as

1:03:35

the owes $1.5 billion for

1:03:38

his false claims that the

1:03:40

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting

1:03:42

was a hoax. Judge Christopher

1:03:44

Lopez approved converting Jones's proposed

1:03:46

personal bankruptcy reorganization into

1:03:49

a liquidation. And Lopez throughout the

1:03:51

case of his company, Austin,

1:03:53

Texas based free speech systems after failed

1:03:55

attempts by Jones to reach an agreement

1:03:57

with Sandy Hook families on his proposal.

1:04:00

to reorganize and keep operating the company

1:04:02

while paying them millions of dollars. It

1:04:05

was not immediately clear what will happen in

1:04:07

the coming weeks to Free Speech Systems, InfoWars

1:04:09

parent company, which Alex Jones built into a

1:04:11

multi-million dollar money maker over the past 25

1:04:14

years by selling dietary

1:04:16

supplements and other products. But

1:04:18

both Jones and lawyers for the Sandy Hook

1:04:20

family said they expect InfoWars to cease operating

1:04:22

at some point because of

1:04:24

the huge debt. A trustee

1:04:26

appointed Friday and Jones's personal

1:04:29

bankruptcy case to oversee the

1:04:31

liquidation now has control over

1:04:33

his assets, including InfoWars. Oh,

1:04:35

call me. According to lawyers. Call me, trustee.

1:04:37

Trustee, call me. Call me on the phone,

1:04:39

baby. We'll make a deal about that desk. We'll

1:04:42

make a deal. I will make it worth your while.

1:04:45

I want to attend the bidding wars.

1:04:47

That is what I want. Bidding wars

1:04:50

for InfoWars, Cecil. Man, and do

1:04:52

you think what's gonna happen though is

1:04:54

once this company's gone, he just starts

1:04:56

like, knowledge

1:04:59

fight or something. You know, like I

1:05:01

read an article of InfoWars is

1:05:03

I can't be knowledge fight because that's trademark,

1:05:05

but you can go with, you know, the

1:05:07

other, you know, whatever thesaurus

1:05:10

flip to information. InfoWars

1:05:12

part two. And

1:05:14

see what you say. Electric Boogaloo

1:05:16

like version of InfoWars. InfoWars

1:05:19

Electric Boogaloo. He's breaking,

1:05:21

he's like, bop, bop, bop, bop,

1:05:23

bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

1:05:26

I read an article, I think in the Times

1:05:29

that basically said something to the effect of,

1:05:33

this follows him in perpetuity

1:05:35

forever. So whatever he

1:05:37

starts is immediately leaned. So

1:05:40

he can never escape this. He will

1:05:42

never be able to escape this. To

1:05:44

those poor people who lost their children

1:05:48

in a mass shooting because

1:05:50

the United States has can't fight its ass with

1:05:52

two hands when it comes to guns. The

1:05:56

things he did to them by continuing to.

1:06:00

found that group of people to

1:06:02

continue to press this conspiracy theory

1:06:04

that none of those children died,

1:06:06

that they were crisis actors and

1:06:08

false flags and whatever else Alex

1:06:10

Jones pushed out into the world.

1:06:13

And then he weaponized his audience to

1:06:15

go after them. And then this

1:06:18

audience through his, you know, through his

1:06:20

urging went after this group of people.

1:06:23

All the bad things that happen Alex Jones

1:06:25

right now do not for

1:06:27

one second, for one second,

1:06:30

think, oh man, that might be too much.

1:06:32

It's not. No, not too much. No.

1:06:35

And I want to be clear. I'm so happy

1:06:37

that this follows him in perpetuity forever,

1:06:40

that there's literally nothing he can do

1:06:42

and no way he can ever recover.

1:06:45

Because the families that lost their children

1:06:47

that were victimized will never recover. Right.

1:06:50

They can never recover. He has hurt

1:06:53

people who were already at a level

1:06:55

of hurting that is

1:06:57

incomprehensibly awful. Yes. I

1:07:01

am glad that there is no

1:07:04

possible recourse for him to just

1:07:06

flip start a new shell company. I agree.

1:07:09

And get rich again. I am to understand

1:07:11

from the article I read that he'll never

1:07:13

escape financial destitution

1:07:16

for the rest of his life once

1:07:18

this process really begins in earnest. That

1:07:21

he will be essentially bankrupt forever, no

1:07:23

matter what. And nothing in the world

1:07:25

could make me happier than that. Like

1:07:28

it is. It's horrific. Sounds

1:07:30

sad. Yeah. Sounds

1:07:32

great. Anyway. I

1:07:35

want the desk. Yeah. I keep me

1:07:37

in the desk. Walk off into the

1:07:39

distance. The only thing I can add

1:07:41

to this, Tom, is that my great

1:07:43

hope is that this convinces

1:07:45

other people. This is the deterrent that

1:07:47

convinces other bad actors that you can't do

1:07:50

this shit. That this is bad. That

1:07:52

misinformation is bad. That lying is bad.

1:07:54

And when you get caught, you

1:07:56

get fucked. Hey,

1:08:03

that's gonna wrap it up for this week. You

1:08:06

can catch us on a

1:08:08

live stream, fingers crossed, watch for the

1:08:10

social media stuff, but we might

1:08:12

be doing a short live stream this upcoming

1:08:14

Thursday. So watch for social

1:08:16

media. We'll let people know if it's actually happening,

1:08:18

but YouTube and Twitch will be the place you

1:08:21

want to go for that. I think Facebook as

1:08:23

well. And you can catch us live 9pm Central

1:08:26

on Thursday, this upcoming Thursday.

1:08:29

That is going to wrap it up for this week. This episode

1:08:33

will come out on my

1:08:35

24th anniversary. Holy shit. My

1:08:38

beautiful wife Sarah, a

1:08:40

happy 24th anniversary. I love

1:08:42

you Sarah. And let's do 24 more. Hopefully

1:08:44

I can make it. I don't know if I can, but

1:08:46

I'm going to try. We're going to do our best, but

1:08:48

we're going to leave you like we always do with the

1:08:50

Skeptic's Creed. Crudulity

1:08:53

is not a virtue. It's

1:08:55

fortune cookie cutter mommy issue,

1:08:58

hypnobabble on bullshit. Couch

1:09:01

and scientistian double bubble

1:09:03

toil and trouble, pseudo

1:09:05

quasi alternative, acupunctuating, pressurized,

1:09:07

stereogram, pyramidal, free energy

1:09:09

healing, water, downward spiral,

1:09:11

brain dead pan sales

1:09:13

pitch, late night info,

1:09:15

document. Leo Pisces

1:09:17

cancer cures, detox, reflex, foot

1:09:20

massage, death in towers, tarot

1:09:22

cars, psychic healing, crystal balls,

1:09:25

Bigfoot, Yeti, aliens, churches, mosques,

1:09:27

and synagogues, temples, dragons, giant

1:09:30

worms, Atlanta, dolphins, truthers, birthers,

1:09:32

witches, wizards, become a fugitive

1:09:35

for you nuts. Shame

1:09:37

and healers, evangelists, conspiracy,

1:09:40

devil speak, stigmata nonsense.

1:09:44

Use your signs, thrust

1:09:46

your hands, bloody, evidential,

1:09:50

conclusive. Doubt

1:09:52

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