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skeptical, it's political,

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and there is no welcome

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mat. Today is Thursday, June

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the 20th. See, so

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we got to talk a little bit more

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about modest needs. Yeah, we talked last week

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about modest needs for an extensive

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period of time. Maybe a quarter

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of the show last week was

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modest needs. So if you missed it, go back and

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listen to the piece on modest needs. The

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short answer is that we will not be

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using modest needs in the future. Modest

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needs was brought up on charges.

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The founder and I guess

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president, I don't know what his job title

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is, but the person who runs modest needs

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was indicted on embezzlement charges. So if

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you want to hear all about that,

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Tom read the entire New York Times

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article that's out there last

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week. 15 minutes of the show went to

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that. I wanted to mention though, because I got a ton of messages.

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really great. The support we got from the community that was

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like, Hey man, you know, you guys were really hard on

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yourself. You don't need to be that hard on yourself. Um,

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but a bunch of people were telling me like Cecil, it's

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not your fault. It's not your fault. I know it's not

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my fault. And I said last week that I was to

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blame, but I want to, I want to give people an

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analogy so they understand and maybe they'll, they'll, they'll get their

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head in the right position here. If you

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were to say to me, Hey, Cecil, you know, cat sitter. And I

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said, sure. I know cat sitter. I'll hook you up with my cat

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sitter and my cat sitter goes to your house and

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while they're there, they steal $2,000 from you.

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Call me and you say, Hey man, dude,

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I got burglarized by that cat sitter you gave

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me. I had nothing to do with it. I

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had no idea that cat sitter was, was somebody

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who was going to do that to you. I

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had no idea. I didn't facilitate it in any

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way, but I'm still fucking mortified

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by it. I'm absolutely mortified. I introduced

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you, right? I introduced you to this

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other, this charity. And so I feel

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mortified that they did this. There's nothing

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I can do about it. I wasn't

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part of it. I didn't do anything.

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I didn't even do anything wrong. All I did was

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in fact, I think I did everything

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right. I was just had

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by somebody, but I still feel mortified

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because I put my trust

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in somebody and then I vouched for them. And

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that's a problem. That's, that's my own, it's going

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to be my own headspace that I have to

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get out of, but I recognize that everybody, do

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you don't need to send me a message? I

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get it. I, I'm not to blame. I understand.

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I'm not to blame, but there definitely is something

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there where, you know, when you vouch for somebody,

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you feel even remotely responsible for

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it. Yeah. I mean, like when Cecil and

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I were talking about it, like just like

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another analogy we were talking about is like, if you

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say, Hey, where should I go out to dinner? I'm

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going to be in town. And I'm like, Oh, go

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to my favorite restaurant, go to lose, you know, can't

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go wrong at lose. Then you go to lose and

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the food is shit. And you get food poisoning. I

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would feel like an asshole for recommending

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lose. Right. So I, I, I

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feel the same way. I've been wrestling with the same

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thing all week because I have sat

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at this microphone or somebody. play

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just as a point of fact. Sunday

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is the last day of the week and I don't care

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what anyone says. I'm okay with that. I'm fine with that.

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Yeah, absolutely. It's not the start of

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the week. Anyone who's like Sunday is the beginning of

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the week. Fuck you. You're wrong. Monday

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is the beginning of the week. And if you

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don't think that's true, you're wrong. You should feel

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bad. All right. Number seven.

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Every tenet is a guiding principle designed

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to inspire nobility in action and thought

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the spirit of compassion, wisdom and justice

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should always prevail over the written or

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spoken word. I mean, these

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are better. These are good. I

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have three extras. There's three sluts left. They

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can even put more in. What I like

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too is I hope that I don't think

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it will because this is very specifically the

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Ten Commandments that were put in this in

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these schools. I hope that

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other religions, including this, put theirs in

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schools too or petition to put theirs

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in schools. I do too, man. So

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that their lists of rules come in.

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The other thing I wanted to talk about too is

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like I was watching a story

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about this and they were showing you ever

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seen that the Ten

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Commandments with Charlton Heston. I've not seen it.

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It's fucking amazing. It's big ass white. I've

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seen like, and he's like, but it got

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me thinking. It

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was like, here's a second way to get Charlton

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Heston in schools. Not only are you getting this,

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but the NRA. The NRA. Yeah.

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You know what I mean? Charlton Heston should

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be the spokesperson for American schools. You can

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have my commandments when you pry them out

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of my cold, dead hands. Because

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he's got ten commandments in one hand

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like an Uzi to the other. So

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do you come to

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Milwaukee often? Well,

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I'm a regular visitor here, but Milwaukee

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has certainly had its share of visitors.

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The French missionaries and explorers were coming here as early

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as the late 1600s to trade with

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the Native Americans. In fact,

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isn't Milwaukee an enemy? Yes, Pete,

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it is. Actually, it's pronounced

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Miliwake, which is Algonquin

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for the good land. I

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was not aware of that. I think

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one of the most interesting aspects of Milwaukee

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is the fact that it's the only major

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American city to have ever elected three socialist

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mayors. Does this guy know how

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to party or what? Huh? Huh?

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Okay. There's some new

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republic, Republicans in panic mode after Trump

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trashes Milwaukee. That was a

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attack to Milwaukee in a meeting with Republicans on

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the Hill. And now Republicans are desperately trying to cover

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for him. So what he

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said was something along the lines of

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we're having our convention in Milwaukee. That's

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a terrible city. Yeah. And

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so initially this was just reported by a

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person named Jake Sherman who works for, I

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don't even know what is like a tweet,

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but it was also independently confirmed by NBC

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news. So this is like, this has been

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a big story this week because it wasn't

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just a guy who tweeted it out. It

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was a guy who tweeted out and then

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other people confirmed that he actually said this.

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So he shit on the place where they're going

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to have their convention. This also happens to be

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a swing state that he just barely loves. What

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a goddamn idiot Trump

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is. You are having your convention.

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You might not even be able to

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be there, man. Like, isn't he

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going to, isn't he like being sentenced at

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that time on the 11th? Jesus Christ. I

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mean, what a fucking mess we're in right

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now where the president, the thing,

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but I think the thing that I want to focus

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on here is that Trump has never really

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tried or even made a lot of noise

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about trying to be the president for everybody.

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No, not even the chance. No, not even

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close. Not even close. He has, he has

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called how many cities did he

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call like disgusting or vermin infested

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or rat holes? I mean, remember

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him describing Baltimore and San Francisco

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and Chicago. He, this guy is

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not a patriot of any kind.

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He doesn't love America. because he's

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calling all these places like shitholes,

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and you're like, dude, you're from

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New York. Like, it's the

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biggest shithole. Right? He's from New York.

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And then he moved to Florida, for

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God's sake. If it's not

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even possible, really, to downgrade from

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New York, but he did somehow.

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What are you talking about? Like,

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you're in a swamp, man. You

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live in a fucking sweltering swamp.

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He moved from garbage juice on

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the streets to hot garbage. Like,

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that's what he moved. He

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just moved garbage piles. Like, it's false. Fuck. Yeah,

28:31

but him saying all this stuff, a ton of

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Republicans had to jump on him and be like,

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oh, no, what he meant was about this. Oh,

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and he didn't mean it that way. He meant

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it this way. So in some ways, they confirmed

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that he said it. They just said,

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oh, it's about voter fraud or whatever. And I

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think realistically, all of this

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is designed to undermine the public trust.

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And we know it. We know it

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for sure, because for Trump specifically, he

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started this undermining before

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the 2016 election. Before

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he was ever even elected to office. Not even the 2020. Before

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he was ever even elected to office. He

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began undermining the public trust in 2015. He

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was saying the exact same stuff. Exact

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same stuff. It's rigged. It's all

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rigged. It's rigged. It's rigged. And then

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he won. And he was like,

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didn't know what to do. He had no idea. He caught the car. Yep.

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You know, you might want to watch what you say, bitch. So

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the story comes from salon.com. Paul Ryan

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says Trump put himself above the constitution

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and calls him unfit for office. Yeah.

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And Trump, this came out the day

29:32

before the previous story. Tom, if

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I was going to have you guess, where do you think

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district one is

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in Wisconsin where he was the? Milwaukee.

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What? I

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think that Trump can't control himself.

29:51

And so when somebody from there

29:54

says something, Oh yeah. He immediately is like, well,

29:56

that's a garbage city and he's a garbage person

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and blah, blah, blah. Jones

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did, he shouldn't have

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to pay any money. He should still be able to

54:04

do whatever he wanted. Cause all he did was lie

54:06

about stuff. That's all he did. But

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that's a damaging lie that he told

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about other people. And if I tell

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a lie about Trump, that's something that's

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not true about Trump, I'm telling a

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lie to try to convince you of

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something. And I don't think that that

54:20

is definitely, even if it is what

54:22

you think is high road, I still

54:24

think that that's a good thing that

54:26

we should always try to model. We

54:28

shouldn't try to tell lies about people,

54:31

especially not when he's on

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stage. And you can just

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point to this and say, no, read

54:37

that and tell me what he meant.

54:39

Because all the freezing in the world

54:42

doesn't match this fucking gobbledygook. No, this

54:45

is so much more damning in my

54:47

opinion about what happened. This is way

54:49

more, this is him just, he

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has nothing in front of him to tell

54:55

you. And you can tell he's just a

54:57

knucklehead. He doesn't have

54:59

anything bouncing around in his head.

55:01

He is a very, very, very

55:03

stupid person. The article goes on

55:06

to explain that that's not how

55:08

batteries, electrocution, boats, and it

55:10

doesn't go into it, but also sharks don't work that

55:12

way. My favorite part of the article is when he's

55:14

talking about how, you know,

55:17

sometimes lightning hits water. All

55:20

the fish in the ocean don't die. Ha ha

55:22

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

55:24

ha ha ha ha ha ha. It's so fucking

55:26

funny. This whole article is seriously the fun, but

55:28

the closing line is genuinely amazing because

55:30

at the end of the article, he talks about

55:32

all this stuff about Trump, like what Trump's talking

55:34

about. Trump keeps talking about it. He's talking about

55:37

this shark, and he's talking about this, and he's

55:39

talking about boats. And then he says, at the

55:42

end, he says, with that, you have one

55:44

more bit of information that can inform your

55:46

presidential vote this November as Trump intended. I

55:50

thought, no, that's exactly it. That's exactly it.

55:52

If this is, this is a man who

55:55

is giving a literal stump speech for

55:57

you to vote for him. Yep. That's

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a level at which you have to

1:00:02

be ready to, you know, deal with

1:00:05

the problems with your own marriage, right? You have

1:00:07

to be able to deal with that. If you

1:00:09

get into this covenant, if you decide to do

1:00:12

this, if you make this promise, there's a lot

1:00:14

of strings attached to a promise. You're gonna have

1:00:16

to deal with the good and the bad times.

1:00:18

And sometimes those bad times are so bad that

1:00:21

the whole thing goes away. And it

1:00:24

turns out that if you make somebody

1:00:26

do something that they don't wanna do

1:00:28

for a long time, you're gonna damage

1:00:30

that person, damage the relationship, damage everything

1:00:32

around you. It's not just the marriage,

1:00:34

right? It's like the kids can get

1:00:36

damaged. Your relationship with your family can

1:00:38

get damaged. The relationships with your friends

1:00:40

can be damaged. All these things can,

1:00:43

this is gonna send shockwaves into the rest

1:00:45

of your life. So it's not that it's

1:00:47

just one thing, it's a lot of things.

1:00:49

It's your whole life that can get ruined

1:00:52

because someone doesn't wanna get a divorce. Having

1:00:56

a contract

1:00:58

that you can cancel when

1:01:01

it comes to something this important is

1:01:03

absolutely necessary. Absolutely. You should be able

1:01:05

to cancel it for any reason. This

1:01:07

is the, basically every marriage

1:01:09

should be the Costco return policy.

1:01:13

Like this is a 70 year old couch that I

1:01:15

have that I no longer wanna sit on, give me

1:01:17

my money back. And then Costco's like, yeah, sure. Don

1:01:20

and Josh. Yeah, sure, yeah. That's how every

1:01:22

marriage should be treated. It's so funny because

1:01:24

it's so telling who you are Cecil because

1:01:26

your take on it is like,

1:01:28

if my wife came to me and she

1:01:30

said, this hurts me, I don't wanna be in

1:01:33

this relationship anymore. You're like, all right, well then

1:01:35

we're done. And that is so telling about who

1:01:37

you are and what your ethics are. Because

1:01:39

you're like, I don't wanna hurt somebody that I love. But

1:01:41

also there's the side of it too where only

1:01:44

a fucking complete psychopath would

1:01:46

themselves want to be in a relationship with

1:01:48

somebody that doesn't love them. So

1:01:51

as soon as like, if Hailey came to me and said, I

1:01:53

don't wanna be in a relationship with you anymore, immediately

1:01:55

I also don't want to be

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in that relationship and not hire.