0:01

Last year, we released an

0:04

episode about sustainability, specifically about Project

0:06

Kepler, an open source data initiative

0:08

meant to monitor power usage within

0:11

data centers. But in

0:13

tech, people are starting to imagine

0:15

conservation beyond the server. Dan

0:17

Schnitzer is one of those people. I

0:19

first realized that sustainability and working in

0:21

the environment could be a career path

0:24

when I graduated from business school

0:26

and very early on knew that

0:29

I did not want to go into traditional

0:31

business practices. Dan is the

0:33

program manager for workplace sustainability at

0:35

Red Hat. Before his current job,

0:37

he worked in the public school system. Why?

0:41

Well, he had his degree in business,

0:43

but his values stopped him from going

0:45

down that path, at least at

0:47

first. The route that

0:50

a lot of my peers were going in just

0:52

had no interest to me. And I'm the type

0:54

that needs to be fully invested in the work

0:56

that I do in order to do it well.

0:59

And so I started to look at the

1:01

education I had in business and

1:03

tying that in with my passion

1:05

for being outdoors and experiencing the

1:08

natural cycles and the natural beauty

1:10

of nature. And just from

1:12

there started to mold and develop a

1:14

career path out of it. Tech

1:17

companies are looking more closely at their

1:19

global impact. From

1:22

their own power consumption to supply

1:24

chains to how they talk

1:26

to their customers about sustainability. And

1:29

their focus is becoming more nuanced every day,

1:32

something that is vital for change to happen.

1:35

The environment doesn't care what things look like

1:37

on paper, doesn't care what financing mechanisms are

1:39

or not in place. It's

1:41

a very specific and definable impact that

1:43

either is or is not happening or

1:45

is positive or is negative. And

1:48

so that the shift in focus on impact I

1:50

think is going to be an important one. I'm

2:00

Angela Andrews. And I'm Kim Wong.

2:03

We go beyond the buzzwords and

2:05

jargon and simplify tech topics.

2:07

Today, we're checking in on

2:09

sustainability efforts in tech. Angela,

2:18

when I was a kid, I was

2:20

a very avid reader. I would read

2:22

everything from newspapers to

2:24

the encyclopedia. And one day, I

2:26

read an article about global warming.

2:28

And I just remember being

2:31

terrified of what I

2:33

was seeing. I had a science

2:35

project at school a few weeks

2:38

after that. And I decided

2:40

to take what I learned from that

2:42

article. I got in front of my

2:44

class. I was in elementary school. And I

2:47

gave this presentation. And

2:49

here I am, standing in front of

2:51

these kids, talking about this really serious

2:53

subject. And afterwards, they all kind of

2:56

just started laughing at me, not

2:58

taking me seriously. It seemed like a movie,

3:00

what I was describing. And

3:02

I have a very

3:05

deep appreciation for scientists that go

3:07

in front of these large companies

3:09

and governments and talk about what's

3:11

happening in the world and kind of have to

3:14

deal with a very grown-up version

3:16

of what I had to deal with, where it's

3:18

like, people are not taking you seriously. It's like,

3:20

do you hear what I'm saying? Do

3:23

you understand what I'm saying to you? People

3:25

have this tunnel thing. What do you mean,

3:27

global warming? That's not a thing. You might

3:30

as well just replace it with, what

3:32

do you mean, aliens? That's not a

3:34

thing. Like, you know what I mean? And

3:37

I don't think a

3:39

lot of us are thinking

3:41

long term, because some

3:44

folks say, ah, the

3:47

weather's always changing. What do you mean by that?

3:50

But like you said, there

3:52

are scientists who are dedicating

3:54

their lives to understanding the

3:56

impact of everything we do

3:59

and what it's doing. doing to our planet. And

4:01

I don't want to

4:03

discount them. And I love the fact that

4:05

you didn't discount them at a very young

4:08

age and had the fortitude to stand

4:10

up in front of your class and

4:12

present. But I feel

4:14

you on that. No, it's not

4:17

a thing. No, it's

4:19

a thing. Right. And whenever you turn

4:21

on the news now, it seems like

4:23

there's a new report or something else.

4:26

It's mainstream. And maybe definitely the

4:28

terminology has changed. Like we don't

4:30

say global warming anymore. We say sustainability or

4:33

we say climate change or global climate

4:35

crisis or something of that that sounds

4:37

even scarier. I don't even know what

4:39

we did using that. It sounds worse.

4:42

But yeah, it's

4:44

just even in my lifetime, it's changed

4:46

so much how we talk about the

4:49

environment and what our impact is on

4:51

the environment. So I

4:53

want to bring Dan back because he's

4:55

working on Red Hat's newest

4:58

and largest sustainability

5:00

project. Red

5:02

Hat has set out a visionary

5:04

2030 net operational zero

5:07

ambition statement, which looks

5:10

to take our operational emissions, so everything

5:12

from our actual running of a company,

5:14

like what it takes to run this

5:16

large company down to zero. So

5:19

one thing that's interesting as we start to

5:21

peel back all of this is

5:24

that we have to look

5:26

at everything from different perspectives that if we

5:28

have a light bulb that runs

5:30

on 100% wind, clean wind energy that's

5:34

on the roof of the building, the question is, do we

5:36

really have to turn the light off when we leave the

5:38

room? So there

5:41

are reasons to say yes, eventually the light will

5:43

burn out. You'll have to replace it. That's resources.

5:46

But fundamentally, we have to stop thinking

5:49

dimensionally about, oh,

5:51

the solution is recycling. The

5:53

solution is energy efficiency. Dan

5:57

and his team are tackling all the

5:59

usual suspects. recycling, alternative

6:01

energy. But energy efficiency

6:04

is a unique challenge in

6:06

our line of work. Dan already

6:08

has some wins to share. A

6:10

good success story around that is

6:12

with our data center that is

6:15

here in Raleigh that takes

6:17

place of our Westford lab. So

6:20

instead of running the Westford lab, which was

6:22

in-house, a huge energy

6:24

consumer, something like 12 million kilowatt

6:26

hours a year, and

6:28

not done to maximum efficiency because that's

6:30

not what the building was built for.

6:32

That's not how the systems were designed.

6:35

It got built out over time to

6:37

somewhere that specializes in running a data

6:39

center. We've maximized efficiency in terms

6:41

of the actual energy it

6:43

takes to run a comparable number of servers.

6:46

We've reduced the number of servers because

6:48

part of the clean out process enables

6:50

us to decommission unused

6:52

equipment. All

6:56

of that is really nice for Red Hat, but

6:58

I wanted to know what can

7:00

energy efficiency look like on a grander

7:03

scale? My name

7:05

is Rima Yarantel. I'm a chief

7:07

telco architect in our

7:09

telco vertical. And one of

7:12

the things that I'm working

7:14

on right now is sustainability.

7:17

Rima has worked in telecommunications

7:19

for many years. Before

7:21

Red Hat, she was at Verizon. She's

7:24

seen firsthand how talk about

7:26

sustainability and power consumption has

7:29

shifted. It was never

7:31

before that much of a consideration

7:34

in terms of how much each

7:36

individual piece of equipment that I put

7:38

in the network is concerned. We

7:41

did care about it, but only from the

7:43

terms of, I have a

7:45

central office or a data center where

7:48

I'm deploying something and it has just

7:50

so much power because that's how much

7:52

my power company is supplying. They have

7:55

enough power for it. And the solution

7:57

before for not enough power was a

7:59

campaign. the power company and they

8:01

put in extra lines for me, right?

8:04

So now it might be, okay,

8:07

this piece of equipment is consuming this much

8:09

power, maybe I'm not going to put it

8:11

in, maybe I'm going to look at a

8:14

competitor with a more efficient solution. It

8:18

sounds similar to the work that Dan

8:20

has done in the Westford lab, but

8:23

even with the increased attention given

8:25

to the subject, Rima

8:27

says a lot of organizations still

8:30

can't get beyond just monitoring their

8:32

power consumption. Why?

8:35

Because of the nature of their business. If

8:37

you look at the telco networks,

8:40

the biggest power consumption

8:43

from the research is

8:45

shown in the

8:47

radio access network, right? Your cell

8:49

phone network and that's

8:52

within the actual towers and

8:56

the equipment that's connected to those towers,

8:58

right? The antennas. And

9:01

a large portion of

9:03

that power consumption is due

9:05

to air conditioning, because

9:08

when you're deploying something in the field, sometimes

9:11

it's called a hot, they

9:13

all have to have air conditioning in

9:15

them because you need air conditioning to

9:17

cool down the equipment. It's

9:19

not to keep people comfortable, it's to

9:21

make sure your equipment doesn't burn out.

9:24

And as the temperatures are

9:26

going up pretty much universally,

9:28

you need to have more

9:30

air conditioning. Load

9:33

on a grid requires air conditioning to

9:35

cool equipment, which requires more load on

9:38

the same grid that powers the network.

9:40

Then you have rising temperatures, which creates

9:42

the need for what? More

9:45

air conditioning, which requires more

9:47

load on the grid. It's

9:49

the negative feedback loop that

9:51

nightmares are made of. Technologists

9:53

looking to turn things into a new

9:56

direction should think outside the box. If

9:58

you look at the business centers in the

10:01

large cities that you have people

10:04

during the day but not very

10:06

many people during the night and almost

10:08

nobody on the weekends You

10:10

don't need the same self coverage During

10:14

those hours as you need during the busy hours

10:17

So if you scale down

10:19

your network coverage for those hours,

10:21

you can save tremendous amount of

10:24

power But for that your

10:26

network has to be able to

10:28

automatically adjust itself, right? If

10:31

all of a sudden something is

10:33

actually happening in your business center

10:35

because there's I don't know of

10:37

some parade Going through

10:39

it or a marathon running through it

10:41

on the weekend You don't

10:43

want to leave all those people without service So

10:46

it has to be something that is a learning

10:49

and can detect those bursts of activity

10:52

But if all the other time can

10:54

scale it down Sounds

10:57

like data sounds like Machine

11:01

learning it sounds like this

11:03

new buzz that we're hearing

11:06

so she said a lot of

11:08

very interesting things and I never

11:10

thought of Cell

11:13

coverage being something that

11:15

is expensive Electricity-wise

11:18

like on the grid because we're not

11:20

plugging our phones in in such a

11:22

way, right? So there's a

11:24

slight disconnect, but I understand when she's talking

11:26

about these towers that are somewhere

11:29

and they have a little HUD attached to them

11:31

and It needs

11:33

air conditioning things need to

11:36

stay cool circuits servers systems

11:38

Cannot go into the 80 90

11:41

degree range or they'll cook. I've seen

11:43

it happen, right? So We're

11:46

talking about just keeping

11:49

things cool, right?

11:51

We're basically talking about the temperature

11:53

that it takes to keep this

11:55

equipment cool Right

11:57

being able to scale a cell

11:59

model Network is. I don't know if

12:01

a lot of less. Think about that.

12:03

Raids Our cell phones are on Twenty

12:05

Four seven. But of course we're

12:07

not using them twenty four seven. So. Maybe.

12:11

There's some sort of learning going on

12:13

that. Loot looking at the

12:15

trends. That she just mentioned on the

12:17

weekend. do we need all of this?

12:20

But of course the something jumps off.

12:22

we wanna be. Able to give our

12:24

customers the service that they are paying

12:26

for and deserve. So there's if. There's

12:29

a beautiful balance that needs to be

12:31

struck in being able to monitor the

12:33

data. Take that beta and makes sense

12:36

as it learn from it and then

12:38

have. Your system's. React.

12:40

Accordingly. Does. Everybody,

12:42

think about this. It's interesting that you

12:44

know how co customers are thinking about

12:46

it, but let's go across all the

12:49

verticals. Are other industries thinking about

12:51

just this thing? How much are

12:53

we really consuming and the impact

12:55

than it has. Food. For

12:57

thought. Absolutely. I've.

13:00

Seen these little hut says she's talking

13:02

about in the wild and I didn't

13:04

even know if they were, but it

13:06

makes perfect sense to me and what

13:08

you're saying angela about different people cross

13:10

verticals across different industries and disciplines. Thinking

13:12

about this problem I think that they

13:14

are. I think that there's a lot

13:16

of monitoring without action because the technology

13:18

that we would use is obviously this

13:20

is like automation and a I were

13:22

talking about the use of it is

13:24

this in that way as a so

13:26

new because before. As we must

13:28

said, we're just kind of monitoring devices to

13:31

see how much they were using and then

13:33

if we needed more. Geez, we just. Went

13:36

to the company and ask for

13:38

more juice and zest becoming less

13:40

and less of a thing. And

13:42

now there's a movement to kind

13:44

of optimize devices and optimize the

13:46

way that the imagine these devices

13:48

operating. With

13:51

artificial intelligence, he can even

13:54

make more. Finally green decisions

13:56

because he can say okay,

13:58

it's lunchtime in. New York

14:00

in midtown everybody's out at lunch

14:02

is is sitting there staring at

14:04

their phones. Can should now focus

14:07

on you tube videos or what.

14:09

Our. But. Then during

14:11

work hours. Mostly.

14:13

They're not gonna be doing it or

14:15

even if they're doing as they might

14:17

be connected to. Why Fi instead of

14:20

being outside on the street can accept

14:22

will sell network or so. That's how

14:24

you combine sustainability and artificial intelligence. A

14:27

So smart and so savvy it

14:29

is. And she's absolutely right about

14:32

New York Midtown. At lunch it's

14:34

impossible to go see anywhere but.

14:37

Yeah, they're listening. Sick compiler getting it

14:39

done on their lunch break? I hope

14:41

so. So ah, feel Ai

14:43

is a big buzzword right now. People

14:45

are thinking about it in the way

14:47

of like gen the you know, like

14:50

they're thinking about the the very kind

14:52

of mainstream ways of for imagining how

14:54

a I can affect code and and

14:56

yes, creating new things. But this is

14:58

not that. it's type of yeah implementation.

15:01

When you think of this, I think

15:03

it's interesting because. Like

15:05

you said, it's just data and

15:07

been able to build those types

15:09

of models that kind of look

15:11

at those patterns and find the

15:13

smarts, find the trends, find the

15:15

things that are happening within them,

15:17

and then to be able to.

15:19

Maybe. Ah, automate how your

15:21

systems are running when you're

15:23

systems are running. When you're

15:26

providing, you know full power. Ninety

15:28

percent. One hundred understanding those levels

15:30

and being able to say well

15:32

we. Can react when we need

15:35

to, but. Because it is.

15:38

Two. O'clock in the afternoon and

15:40

everyone has returned from lunch. Well

15:42

let's let's take this down little

15:44

bit. We don't need as much

15:47

power as we need in the

15:49

cell. Towers. At this particular

15:51

moments. How power is consumed

15:53

is not an infinite source. Or

15:55

so weeks we seem to think

15:58

that it is been. There's

16:00

something fueling said power. And

16:03

how are we thinking

16:05

about its sustainability and the

16:08

impact on the globe and

16:10

things like that? So it's

16:13

interesting that we're hearing this more. 20

16:16

years ago, I don't think I've ever heard this

16:18

conversation. It was just make sure the data center

16:20

stays cool. Close

16:22

the door on your way out. Don't leave the

16:24

door open. Watch the

16:27

temperature or whatever. And you

16:30

just ran with it. Things

16:33

are different now. Things are much smarter

16:35

and much more intentional. Right. Sustainability

16:37

is a tricky subject for

16:39

IT companies. But the

16:42

tides are shifting and there's more

16:44

pressure to get things from concepts

16:46

to reality. We'll talk about

16:48

those pressures after the break. Hi,

16:55

I'm Mike Ferris, Chief Strategy Officer and

16:58

longtime Red Hatter. I love thinking about

17:00

what happens next with generative AI. But

17:02

here's the thing. Foundation models alone don't

17:04

add up to an AI strategy. And

17:06

why is that? Well, first,

17:09

models aren't one size fits all. You

17:11

have to fine tune or augment these

17:13

models with your own data, and then

17:15

you have to serve them for your

17:17

own use case. Second, one and done

17:19

isn't how AI works. You've got to

17:21

make it easier for data scientists, app

17:23

developers, and ops teams to iterate together.

17:25

And third, AI workloads demand the ability

17:27

to dynamically scale access to compute resources.

17:29

You need a consistent platform, whether you

17:31

build and serve these models on-premise or

17:33

in the cloud or at the edge.

17:35

This is complex stuff, and Red Hat

17:37

OpenShift AI is here to help. Head to

17:40

redhat.com to see how. Let's

17:46

get back to Dan. He says,

17:48

back in 2022, Red

17:50

Hat started tracking requests from customers

17:52

about sustainability. They wanted to know

17:54

what Red Hat was doing in

17:56

that space. A year later,

17:58

there were a... a lot of the

18:01

time. We

18:04

had over 110 independent

18:06

requests for varying levels

18:08

of information from do you have a

18:10

goal to 50 question

18:14

surveys that got real

18:16

deep into the very

18:18

specifics of our waste

18:20

streams or what our targets

18:22

mean or how we're going to achieve them. And

18:25

we are seeing that for some companies

18:27

this is just informational, just asking whether

18:30

that they intend to go further in the future

18:32

we don't know and others

18:34

who are saying that this is mandatory. If

18:36

you don't have a goal yet

18:38

you need to have it in the next two years.

18:41

So we're seeing a whole variety of

18:44

approaches but it's signaling to us and

18:46

to the market as a whole that

18:49

everyone needs to get on board. And

18:51

what's exciting for me to see and this is

18:53

the approach we take when we engage our supply

18:55

chain is there seems

18:57

to be an increase in interest

19:00

in impact and not

19:02

just in the paperwork sustainability.

19:05

Not just checking the box you have you

19:07

don't have but what really is the impact

19:09

that you're having. Red

19:13

Hat is a software company. Not

19:16

something you think of when you're talking about

19:18

carbon footprints. But Dan

19:21

says the obligation is still there.

19:24

Quite frankly Red Hat has a pretty small footprint compared

19:26

to our size because of the nature of our work. But

19:29

that doesn't mean we're exempt from making a difference. It's

19:32

the minorities that make up the majority. That

19:35

obligation and the demands

19:38

that come under those obligations they

19:41

can vary according to where companies

19:43

operate. If you look at

19:45

North America we are aware

19:47

of how important it is

19:49

to be sustainability conscious but

19:52

there is no regulatory pressure

19:54

in terms of the

19:56

regulations that asking the companies

19:58

to report. Europe

20:01

has a very different regulatory pressure

20:03

on them to first

20:05

be aware of what their

20:07

sustainability footprint is, and

20:10

that includes their power footprint.

20:13

They understand that they need to

20:15

monitor it very closely, and

20:17

then they need to show improvement

20:19

say year over year as they're

20:21

reporting it. And then when

20:23

you're looking at Asia, especially Japan, they

20:26

have a different type of

20:29

concern because they're literally running out of power.

20:31

They have to start up some

20:34

of the nuclear stations that they

20:37

turned down previously because they

20:39

don't have enough power. So

20:41

all of these different types of consideration

20:44

all add up to the companies becoming

20:47

interested in sustainability, whether

20:49

because they actually care or

20:51

because they care about the bottom line. So

20:54

yeah, the situation is not the

20:57

same across the board. Depending on

20:59

where you live, depending on where

21:01

your company is located, your energy

21:04

consumption and the concerns you have around

21:06

it could be completely different. Obviously

21:09

legislation and things that are

21:11

coming down from governmental organizations,

21:14

those also have an impact. Legislation

21:17

has had a

21:19

huge impact in what companies

21:21

are required to do, where

21:25

environmental and ESG data

21:28

has gone from kind of a nice to

21:30

have footnote in an annual report to having

21:33

to be auditable and submitted annually

21:35

in certain countries and across certain

21:37

regions, even if the legislation is

21:40

not in place. And so

21:42

they're trying to get ahead of it. And so

21:44

they're trying to have more audit

21:46

ready data, a little

21:48

less touchy feely and a lot

21:50

more quantitative. So

21:53

they want teeth in these reports. They want

21:55

data behind it. They want to see the

21:57

needle moving. And if you're serious about

21:59

making it, you can do it. making any change

22:02

year over year and being able to

22:04

chart your improvement, then

22:06

you have to actually do something. There has

22:08

to be some sort of change, especially

22:10

if it comes from the government telling

22:13

you this is what you need to do.

22:15

It is definitely less of a we

22:19

just want this little sticker to

22:21

more we need to be able to report back

22:23

on our progress to see how we're

22:25

doing. It's much more concrete now. Yeah,

22:28

but the most fascinating thing about

22:30

this for me is this

22:32

is a societal problem. And we

22:34

are all kind of

22:37

trying to approach it in our

22:39

own ways, whether you're trying to

22:41

be more mindful of your own

22:43

individual consumption of energy, where that

22:45

energy comes from, whether you're a

22:47

company who's trying to understand like

22:49

the vendors that you use and

22:51

your supply chain and how those

22:53

things impact the globe and what

22:55

your carbon footprint is. And

22:57

then you have kind of like even

22:59

higher than that, these countries that have

23:02

this concern, like we're all

23:04

kind of concerned about energy usage.

23:06

And it's kind of an

23:08

existential question of do

23:10

we as technologists, do

23:12

we need to sacrifice in order

23:15

to conserve what we

23:17

have and conserve the globe and

23:19

protect the environment. But we also

23:21

have an obligation to customers and

23:24

you can't necessarily scale down

23:26

operations or scale down services, especially

23:28

when those services are vital, not

23:30

just for people to kind of

23:33

look on YouTube, but hospitals

23:35

and emergency services, those also

23:37

depend on the grid. So

23:40

with the demand for services increasing,

23:43

how do we approach this responsibly?

23:45

Someone's going to be creative and get

23:47

have to get creative. Absolutely. Using

23:49

some sort of technology, I think

23:52

that's where this is going. It has to

23:54

be some sort of technical solution

23:57

behind it. I don't know if

23:59

I'm getting... giving anything away, but it

24:02

has to be. Because we can't just,

24:04

like you just said, well, we can't just turn

24:07

things off. That's right. It has to be a

24:09

better way. That's kind

24:11

of where this takes a hopeful turn. Sustainability

24:15

and efforts behind sustainability

24:17

also attract talent. You

24:19

have young people who want to work

24:21

for companies who are more intentional and

24:23

conscious of their impact. Young people

24:26

are looking at those types of reports

24:28

now, changely enough, because

24:30

they want to buy from

24:32

companies that are climate

24:35

change conscious, that are good

24:38

corporate citizens. The younger

24:40

generation entering the workforce now, and

24:42

even more so in tech than

24:45

most other fields, care deeply about

24:47

environmental issues and look for

24:49

employers that meet their values. Especially

24:51

with the increase in remote work, values

24:54

matching with a company is more important

24:56

now than ever. So the

24:58

ability to not only attract the

25:00

best talent by leading with

25:03

these values, to being open to these ideas

25:05

of folks who see things differently than those

25:07

of us who have been in the workforce

25:09

longer, is going to be

25:12

a tremendous asset to making change. Younger

25:15

generations, they've been able to

25:17

see the effects of climate

25:19

change and the effects of

25:21

power consumption without responsible action

25:23

being taken. I think

25:26

that they're more galvanized to do

25:28

things and use their talents, whether

25:30

that's conservation talents or like working

25:33

in code or working in the

25:35

data center or working in cloud

25:37

computing. They're more

25:40

dialed in and more

25:42

galvanized and more energized to do

25:45

the work of imagining what these

25:47

solutions can be as it pertains

25:49

to how we can

25:51

use power responsibly. They're

25:54

not just choosing where to work and

25:56

where to target their

25:58

work. They're also... taking

26:01

into account their dollar and their

26:03

spending power, and they're choosing to

26:05

spend their money with companies that

26:07

are making a difference. Absolutely. Rima

26:12

has a lot of experience working for

26:14

telecommunications and working in the data center.

26:17

I asked her before we parted

26:19

ways, how can technologists get more

26:21

involved in sustainability? So if you're

26:23

a developer and you have interest

26:25

in sustainability, so

26:28

you have an opportunity to

26:30

contribute to open source project,

26:32

especially if those projects

26:34

are connected to important things

26:36

like sustainability, to climate change,

26:39

yeah, just see where you can, individually

26:41

can do something. Don't wait for your

26:44

company or for somebody else to do it for

26:46

you. Dan talked about

26:48

how in the beginning of his career,

26:50

he shied away from working for private

26:53

companies. He thought that they were part

26:55

of the problem. Now his thinking

26:57

has changed. I came in

26:59

again to this work from the public sector

27:01

with a lot of skepticism and anger towards

27:04

private industry, seemingly only

27:06

caring about the profits in the

27:09

bottom line and being the

27:11

largest contributors to climate change.

27:15

And I think there's still some bad actors out there

27:17

that approach it that way, but I'm

27:19

really actually proud to say that the reason I decided

27:21

to work for Red Hat and give it a try

27:23

was because they seemed

27:25

different and they seemed truly

27:28

authentic about wanting to

27:30

make a positive difference. And I

27:32

think we're doing that and we're pushing towards that and

27:35

we're super unsatisfied with where we are

27:37

right now in that, in a

27:40

very healthy way, that we wanna push more and

27:42

do more to positively impact

27:44

the environment, do more to reduce

27:47

the negative impact. We're

27:49

in this to save health for

27:51

humanity and for all living

27:53

beings and for our future. And

27:55

so those that come after us can

27:57

enjoy the same pleasures and luxuries we

28:00

have because the people before us stewarded

28:03

a healthy life as

28:05

much as possible. I

28:10

don't think this is at the front of

28:12

our minds as much as it should be.

28:14

We make decisions based off of

28:17

a myriad of things, but to

28:19

put it in the perspective

28:22

of what is our

28:24

global impact? What

28:26

is it doing for our entire

28:28

globe? What type of sustainability

28:31

is around it? How much

28:33

power is being consumed by

28:35

said behavior? We're

28:38

not always thinking about

28:40

keeping the power in

28:42

a server room. It's bigger than that, and

28:44

we're hearing that from our guests. I

28:46

think it gives us something all to really

28:49

consider and think about because this is

28:51

our only globe that we have

28:53

to live on. What

28:56

are we and the

28:58

companies we deal with and the

29:00

products we use? It

29:03

has to be this very holistic thing.

29:06

If we think about it that way, then

29:09

we can start making those very intentional

29:11

movements about this is what I'm going

29:13

to do for myself and

29:15

my family and in my day-to-day to

29:17

make a difference. Hopefully, it

29:20

trickles out because it all

29:22

starts somewhere. It

29:24

usually has to start with us and our behaviors. Kudos

29:27

to companies like ours and

29:29

others who are really taking

29:31

this sustainability effort to where

29:33

it needs to be. I

29:36

like it. I like the impact

29:39

that we're having. Yeah. We're having

29:41

a positive impact not just on

29:43

Red Hatters or just on people

29:45

who are in our communities,

29:47

but also we're having an impact on the

29:50

way that our customers are thinking about sustainability,

29:52

which I think is really impressive. It

29:55

really is a Reflection of

29:57

our culture, and I really like that. If

30:02

you want to know more about

30:04

Red Hat's worth around sustainability, you

30:06

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30:08

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30:13

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30:17

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30:19

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30:22

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30:24

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30:30

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30:32

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30:34

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