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2:04

Margaret Welcome to Conan O'brien is a

2:06

fan! Well hello there. Matt Conan

2:09

Sona is I. Know Yeah Oh

2:11

my gosh, it's a sauna. Look away. We

2:13

hired. Case as soon

2:15

as a bit see them them on sale. For

2:17

that matter, I haven't I seen this. In front

2:20

of her saida we called our

2:22

new even recall a bar Mitzvah

2:24

entertainment place and seventy The Stone

2:26

a localized Mississippi Gonzalez ah okay

2:28

is your name is Margaret. City.

2:32

Near the near as murmurs was Margaret Margaret can

2:34

you hear? yeah I can now yeah there with

2:36

you black out or lack of air But as

2:38

a I did out right now I had access

2:41

of a way that aren't getting. Hello!

2:43

There Margaret How Rio. I'm

2:46

great! Thank you Conan! Good to see

2:48

Sona Man! I love the way you

2:50

said my name. How did you say

2:52

my name again? Oh God I'm I'm

2:54

I'm like such an improviser. Conan. Yes,

2:56

I said oh that's it. The for less

2:59

than she says in a southern cone and

3:01

on encode noom like pronoun yeah I'm I'm

3:03

gonna go now whereas yet where you're coming

3:05

from, where you were a mean emotionally know

3:07

where you, Where are you in the world

3:09

Right now? we're Emma My undivided. Six I'm

3:11

like a above above my head honestly

3:13

as their place out. Of be has

3:16

I am and told her he

3:18

Canada. Okay so maybe that's what

3:20

I was here. Maybe there's a

3:22

little bit of a lawyer A

3:24

oh yeah this is going yeah

3:26

I'm your and soldiery Canada. And

3:29

so I'm. Told that my kids say you're

3:31

not supposed to make fun of accents. Oh.

3:34

I wasn't making fun. I was of course to

3:36

see I was making. Science you say and

3:38

stuff not you. Oh they are terrible

3:40

person. And I

3:43

would never speak to you again. and

3:45

or the first. Margaret I think your

3:47

kids are right, so it's all good

3:49

about myself. Well, I am.

3:51

Obviously I'm a mom. I

3:53

might. I'm in a recent

3:56

empty nester. Oh. No.

3:59

No no no the know I high

4:01

net effect for emptied the nest. I'm

4:03

an unjust. I love those unusual. Is

4:05

a reminder for someone Outside

4:08

of all my. Time

4:11

for this nest or difference

4:14

as close as. A

4:16

side scientists are my kids were away and

4:18

and then I sold my town home and

4:20

endless hours at Wow Sociability. So I kind

4:22

of I. I kind of sold The Mask.

4:25

Whoa. Wait a minute, How old is

4:27

your tears like this? Evidence? Of

4:31

how old are they. They

4:33

are there. Nineteen and twenty one.

4:35

Okay, that's still pretty young as

4:37

early as. Super Yeah. Well Okay so

4:40

the serious side of the story as I

4:42

have elderly parents, i'm the youngest of four

4:44

and I'm the only single divorced one. And

4:46

so when we thought you know it was

4:48

getting to be the time where it felt

4:51

like my parents could use some eyes on

4:53

the ground and someone in there that could

4:55

really, you know, just be there and make

4:57

sure they don't need. More support your

5:00

So. My. Daughter happened to be

5:02

an au pair in Italy at the

5:04

times and my son was living with

5:06

his dad so I was like alright

5:08

guys, go and make allies in. Don't

5:11

may I gave you the first I gave

5:13

you the first night. Seniors Isis I have

5:15

said disown him many times. He could be

5:17

favorite Zero in America life. As

5:20

soon as soon as a some

5:23

well see seasons he's got more

5:25

on me. Them and odds are

5:27

no you see more formidable Margaret

5:29

and so was so so. Did

5:31

you grow up in Calgary? Tell

5:34

us about your life? I did.

5:36

Ah. Well, it's it's funny.

5:38

So I was born here,

5:40

but my parents came from

5:42

well events like they were

5:44

in Oklahoma when I was

5:46

conceived but saw their New

5:48

Yorkers. And moved around a

5:50

time and so. When. I was three.

5:52

We move back into the Us for. For so

5:55

long story short, I'm

5:57

Canadian. I grew up here mostly other than living

5:59

in the. for a few years

6:01

here and there, but I don't

6:03

feel super Canadian because. I was

6:06

raised by American, understood us, and I

6:08

see what others it's There's a big

6:10

difference. There is a big difference. Yes,

6:12

If I noticed that there's a piano

6:14

right behind you Sarah, is that just

6:16

a coincidence? Or you. Well.

6:20

I'd started to get back and it's

6:22

of the the moving in with my

6:24

parents saying and I took this career

6:26

I've had. I've been a piano teacher

6:28

and early childhood teacher for almost forty

6:30

years now. know what? I'm in my

6:33

early sixties but I started young and

6:35

I planted did this this now or

6:37

never thing and thought okay, if I

6:39

don't have to pay my mortgage quite

6:41

as you know and I don't need

6:43

quite as much financial support I'm I'm

6:45

gonna go for it. And I started

6:48

a couple of unusable. Musical.

6:50

Offerings. So I'm I'm A. I'm a pianist.

6:52

obviously. I hope aside, I just made that

6:54

clear as. I'm. Not super concise

6:56

in this setting. Some no. That's okay

6:58

though you put the main information at the

7:01

end with that spine. Fix

7:03

it man. Information A price of

7:05

the earnest. And but then I

7:07

also so you're a pianist ah

7:09

and D and seats kids the

7:11

piano. Would you teach them all

7:13

kinds of music? Well. I

7:16

do seats. Piano. Because

7:18

it's kind of like the easiest place

7:20

to put up a sign and say

7:22

hey, you know, help me, help me

7:24

with my career and allow me to

7:26

connect with kids. So that's that's really

7:28

important. Than I

7:30

also do this. This thing

7:32

called intuitive composing where I

7:35

composed personal soundtracks for people

7:37

are based on i guess

7:40

my my intuition my years

7:42

of fum studying and being

7:44

immersed in music. With a man?

7:47

Are you saying that you could. Talk.

7:49

To me for little bit, get a sense of who

7:51

I was in than composer sodomy. Do this. I

7:54

can yes and was laid off.

7:56

It's crazy. I know, I know.

7:58

it's crazy i absolutely believe you could

8:00

do it, what kind of song would

8:03

you, what would the song sound like?

8:05

The Jaws theme. No, it's

8:07

not the Jaws theme, the Halloween theme.

8:12

Okay everyone has. Yay!

8:18

That one's actually, I think it's

8:20

actually a combination of the two.

8:22

The thing is, can you play

8:25

the bass in the... Oh

8:28

my gosh, Margaret, that is amazing. That

8:34

is me, menacing and

8:37

clownish at the same time. That

8:40

is amazing. Well, it's funny because

8:43

I really worked not to write

8:45

it or create anything for you guys even though

8:47

I knew I was going to be on the

8:50

show and the weekend it just came to me

8:52

and Conan, I'll be honest. Now I

8:54

don't know if I should say Conan or Conan. No, no,

8:56

whatever you, you know, as long as it's said

8:58

with respect and love, I'm fine. In

9:03

Bugs Bunny, Carl Stalling, I just kept

9:05

thinking... What does that sound like? You guys

9:07

know? I know Carl Stalling. Did you watch

9:09

Bugs Bunny? Yes, yes, but which tunes specifically?

9:12

Well, any of them because I feel

9:14

like you could be followed around by

9:16

a... You know, because you do

9:18

it in your podcast. Yes.

9:26

Margaret, it's funny you say that about Bugs Bunny

9:28

and how the Bugs Bunny themes and background music

9:30

remind you of me because I've always thought I

9:32

was a cartoon character. I've

9:34

felt that way my whole life. Yeah, I

9:37

love it. Yeah, so that's a very apt

9:39

perception and I will

9:41

take it. I

9:43

was an avid cartoon watcher and

9:45

you know, Bugs Bunny was the

9:47

thing and when you... You

9:50

tend to do those like... And

9:53

you go into the funny accents like the,

9:56

here, see, I don't want to... You

9:59

live in that. I swear you live

10:01

in a live world of

10:03

Carl Stirling. Yes, I do, Margaret.

10:06

You just showed me myself, and now I'm filled

10:09

with dread. I

10:11

don't want to be near that guy. But

10:14

you know what I love, Margaret, I

10:17

love that you're working with kids, and

10:19

you're making this music, and you say

10:21

intuitive music. So are they always using

10:23

instruments, or are they using stuff other

10:25

than instruments sometimes to make music? So

10:28

the intuitive composing is one of the things

10:31

I'm offering. And

10:34

the other thing, when I'm working with

10:36

early childhood, so children that are five

10:38

and under, it's called music in nature.

10:41

And the intuitive side of that is

10:43

just working with what

10:45

is around and following the

10:47

children as they explore,

10:49

and then creating activities based on

10:51

that. So for example, we're

10:54

out in a natural park. If

10:57

we find sticks, we're using the

10:59

sticks, and we're playing drums

11:01

on the trees, or we're

11:03

playing a graded fence xylophone,

11:05

and we're touring the park. And

11:09

I'm creating, I mean, I obviously have

11:11

a lot of songs I've created and

11:13

activities to lead. But if

11:15

something occurs to a

11:18

child, or even sometimes a parent,

11:20

then I just change gears and

11:22

try to follow their lead in

11:24

that respect. That sounds kind

11:26

of fascinating, because what you're doing

11:28

is taking anything around you that's

11:31

found and then showing kids this

11:33

can be music. Or if

11:35

not music, we can make noises with this. And

11:38

then it's actually probably

11:40

the most simplest form of creativity

11:42

and a great thing for kids to learn, I

11:45

would think. Well, yeah, I think so, because

11:47

I mean, arguably, just in

11:49

any art, any sound is music,

11:51

right? And so what's

11:54

fascinating too is you can

11:56

teach children so many things.

11:59

Like we think about it. spend a lot of time at

12:01

the river. And so right now

12:03

in Calgary, we've got a lot of

12:05

ice on the river's edge. So if

12:07

we can yank pieces of ice off

12:09

and we can hit the rocks with

12:11

them, they make these incredible exploding sounds.

12:13

But at the same time, children, their

12:15

little brains, they're learning about the physics

12:17

as we throw things, how things land.

12:22

I hope they're also learning stay away from an

12:24

icy river. Are

12:28

there parents that get worried? Are there parents that

12:30

get worried about the kids? And you're

12:32

saying, hey, jump into that canyon and try and see if you

12:34

can find something to make music out of? This

12:36

is the woman that also sent the kids cracking it. It's

12:39

really thin ice and see how many cracks we

12:41

can make. I know. Matt just pointed out you told your

12:44

kids to get lost at 17. I'm pretty careful. There's

12:49

a guest room here for them. Oh, yeah. Always

12:51

nice to have a guest room for your five-year-old.

12:53

There's a couch. You're

12:55

five-year-old. Hey, five-year-old. We

12:57

got you a guest room. But when you're

12:59

not working at the docks. I'm busy

13:01

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13:03

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19:00

invented the ring ding. Ring

19:03

ding. What?

19:05

It's a cake. It's a cake. You know what a ring

19:07

ding is. You ever had a ring ding before? You mean a

19:10

ding dong? No there's a ring pop?

19:12

Yeah. There's a ring ding isn't there? I don't

19:14

know what a ring ding is. A ring ding?

19:16

I know a ring ding. Ring ding? I thought

19:18

there was a ring ding. I don't know. This

19:20

is important. Did we get to the bottom of

19:22

this? I don't know as long as to. This

19:24

is the kind of stuff we worry about here

19:27

in America Margaret. Oh. No ring dings. That's it

19:29

right there. So it's a knock-off ding dong? Yeah.

19:31

Yeah well I always... we knew of ring dings

19:33

and I think that's what they had maybe in

19:35

our area. Well I didn't know about... A

19:39

ding dong is like a legit version

19:41

of one of them. I love ding dongs. Is

19:43

it like a twinkie covered with chocolate and then

19:45

there's a cream filling? Yeah but it's the same

19:47

thing as a ring ding. I think in our

19:49

area we had ring dings. Yeah but you're in

19:52

our area now. Excuse me. So here it's a

19:54

ding dong. You're in the ding dong character. I

19:56

think they're different companies. I bet they're different companies.

19:58

Yeah. Post-its and then whatever drinks. Yeah, you

20:00

know dog and pony. No, no, Drake's

20:02

cakes. No one cares. Look,

20:05

we got the, you know what's sad, Margaret? Margaret?

20:10

Yeah. The thing I love about this interview is that

20:12

we got to the crux of who Margaret is, which

20:15

is that ding

20:18

dongs are made by hostess and ring dings

20:21

are made by Drake's cake. Correct. That's all.

20:24

And I knew that that's what we were going to talk about the minute I

20:27

knew that you were doing

20:29

natural music with children. Well,

20:34

these kids sound kind of hardy. Like they

20:36

get out there, you know, sometimes these days,

20:38

parents, parents are too not

20:40

Sona, but a lot of parents are too

20:42

worried about their, you know, a lot of

20:44

parents these days are too worried about their

20:46

kids and rough play. Sona, not so much.

20:48

She often doesn't know where they are. I

20:50

found that's true. I found them in

20:53

the mall. Remember when I found your kids just wandering the parking

20:55

lot of a mall? Yeah, there was in the parking lot. Yeah.

20:57

And you would give them each a knife and told them go

20:59

get dinner. Yeah. They were going mama mama. And

21:01

I was like, figure it out, figure it

21:03

out. Yeah. And then you rented out their room. Margaret

21:07

Sona probably knows that nowadays, there's

21:09

a huge amount of information around risky

21:11

play and how important it is for

21:13

kids, which makes me laugh

21:16

because I'm closer to Conan's era.

21:18

Risky play was just go

21:20

outside and don't come back until dinner

21:22

time. Yeah. But nowadays, it's

21:24

contrived. So I happen to be

21:27

in a great spot with my

21:29

year round music and nature program

21:31

to encourage parents, you know, because every

21:34

resilience is the other catchphrase that parents

21:36

are using right now. We want to

21:38

teach resilience, which I would

21:40

say is, you know, a mother of a 19

21:42

and 20 year old that probably

21:45

was too in

21:47

their face. You know, I think it's a good

21:49

a good thing that we're hopefully

21:52

going in the other direction. I was

21:54

of a generation where you your Parents

21:56

never knew where you were, you wandered

21:58

around, someone invited you. To get

22:00

into a van uses this. And.

22:02

If you're gonna see the sound of your god,

22:04

if we're not, we're not out. the my name's

22:06

run around and they give you a ringing, get

22:08

all sleepy and then you'd wake of. Lag

22:12

and know what I'm saying is that

22:14

the world I grew up in and

22:16

it was about our time was a

22:19

better world. For someone says would you

22:21

put in is worrying Dame is some.

22:23

I'm not thinking that ringing I'll take

22:25

see untainted ding dong as dumb as

22:28

by the way to Margaret, it's not

22:30

your fault this is the dumbest conversation.

22:32

With ever had none of the track

22:35

more. it's completely not linear and our

22:37

way through the building done so much

22:39

those readers like. Define.

22:41

Yeah, I heard of their part of it.

22:43

I thought she was just staring at a

22:45

figure out. Okay, I will be going away

22:47

with our more joseph we need to talk

22:50

about with rings and ding dongs was getting

22:52

back to us. Margaret's zoom froze. While.

22:54

That's happening. We're going to continue of yeah, I don't

22:56

see any reason why we should stop, but it froze

22:58

and it's probably some to do with. Look, I'm not

23:00

saying it's because of the connection in Calgary. It.

23:02

Could be something's wrong with A Told me like a

23:05

sincere in Los Angeles and nothing to assume that it's

23:07

one or the other. I just do

23:09

know that this is where does job is

23:11

not do the process. Maybe they are inferior?

23:13

Yeah who knows. What are important thing is

23:16

that we're together. And. While see.

23:20

Things on Story. Hold on I'm bet

23:22

you do know one another and of what

23:25

I'm saying is that gives us a chance

23:27

to talk about rings and ding dongs while

23:29

Margaret's not on go it's was indicted or

23:31

historic by like an act of i'm Margaret

23:34

Margaret us for said well you were on

23:36

a hear that is unreal and know we're

23:38

not even a story though as click. Thing

23:40

my dad uses a historic in a catering

23:42

warehouse for lunch trucks and we'd always com

23:44

and be like study. bring us something, dozen

23:46

doughnuts and he'd always say i really have

23:48

to dig Dug this. Ah as and

23:51

I think that every day as I

23:53

was that wouldn't work with ring ring

23:55

ring going, whatever But the point is

23:57

you can even hydrant on. My father

23:59

was that is lab and I said

24:01

that can you bring some rings by

24:03

Drakes when you come home and he

24:05

said fuck you I'm working on. Of

24:09

Madison and sorry. That

24:12

not starving story was charming. Is your

24:14

story? Say oh my god What are

24:16

the sam. The

24:19

difference? I'm Margaret. It's probably

24:21

time. To

24:24

start as I see Sona last as long

24:26

as. You're.

24:32

Right on the last. As I want

24:34

those last oh my jealousy hide some.

24:37

I'm like when says Lauer Golden. Tate,

24:41

we're almost at a time mortgage. I think you

24:43

could outweigh us out with a little lot. Conan

24:45

Seamless are not opponent the yeah I thought of

24:47

something and okay here we go as it's a

24:49

different one. I thought to be super long but

24:52

can I talk you. Through it sir.

24:54

Yes, Okay, so C Major is

24:56

your T. Together your key young

24:58

as a result for straightforward guy

25:00

right? Yeah, okay. And

25:02

very again the Carl Stalling

25:04

sort of upbeat. So the.

25:12

If you remember over the boys of the chorus

25:14

weed out the i care so they don't have

25:16

either. Been going on the way. he had a

25:18

bit here and I'll do different. Parts.

25:21

And a similar. Developing

25:33

and we gotta get busy. Me like

25:35

the thing about you that I signed

25:37

having listened to your podcast and this

25:39

is all I can only write what

25:41

I know of you write with since

25:44

the external Conan Your is you. We'll

25:46

just come out from left field with

25:48

these zany things right? So what I'd

25:50

start doing is I'd take the Superstate

25:52

for a D. Differences

26:00

right? right? Those now make it

26:02

into our I Take. The. Straightforward C Major

26:05

and I'm adding some some of energy to them.

26:07

Fly Bird you know I I love is that.

26:09

The. What I'm getting from that is someone

26:11

who's. Basically up

26:14

be. Straightforward. Well

26:16

intentioned, But. Very damaged and

26:18

broken. Like. I

26:20

can feel like a little sars I have

26:22

often sides of glass how my accurate little

26:25

yet little the root of late on like

26:27

a honky tonk piano that's d tuned a

26:29

little bit ironic is it sounds like jazz

26:31

and yeah my my as yeah I don't

26:34

despise jazz no no no isis if iran

26:36

as they sometimes have really love but admits

26:38

that do some of it that i think

26:41

is you guys are just make at it

26:43

as accept our now on mars he likes

26:45

the rings of the channels with yeah do

26:47

at the dinner.as. Aspects of it isn't

26:50

and indicates the into last his

26:52

current status intellect right. Yeah, what

26:54

about my capella were sent.

26:57

Out it's as is the intellectual music

26:59

right? that's out there is a very

27:01

intellect. And that's what I like when I

27:03

listen to music. Some insularity alone enemy yelled

27:05

out it's healthy and some bongos as I

27:07

know I left on. This is as I

27:09

like some Jazz mission. talk about. Eduardo takes

27:11

a very first week as he said, he's

27:13

got one of those big collections of jazz

27:15

he's always. Drinking. Is furious

27:17

with her a something until late

27:20

night while Ray: yeah, he's that

27:22

bread. Ah, I'm from a

27:24

dealer Matteo sitting there. no I never had

27:26

you be that annual you be worth. You

27:28

know be that would cause I don't You

27:31

were never the guy in the barrage. you

27:33

were never that hipsters. you are different guy

27:35

you were the other went to the rose

27:37

bowl swap meet you but in a sousaphone

27:40

saying. They're they're overlapping

27:42

venza you have like a lot of our

27:44

irony going on is less irony was Eduardo

27:46

and he just loves that that music Anyway

27:48

I'm Margaret is been very nice talking to

27:50

you and I really liked the seems that

27:52

you came. Up with me and you know what

27:54

I'd like to do? Sunday, meet up with the Will,

27:56

take a walk in the woods and recreate my

27:58

theme using wrong Guy sticks. Hello

28:01

Maisie, Yeah and then we'll go

28:03

and find the children that we

28:05

weren't mind? Is that the system

28:07

or rapidly floating down the icy

28:09

river? Okay, because you are all

28:12

for risky play. On

28:14

offer. Risky. play up that sounds as

28:16

Listen Little Modest Mouse or as the

28:18

Ama with I mean way. Yeah

28:21

yeah, Margaret yammer an order you

28:23

can a even close to them

28:25

as a. Yeah Ah. My.

28:28

God. No comments that isn't that.

28:30

Lovely talking to Margaret and so my

28:32

yeah I hope we meet Sunday and

28:35

person you seem like a really cool

28:37

nice person. Ah thank you. Well

28:39

this swiss a real honor and I

28:41

I think you know I I I've

28:43

lived now, I lived or. That will

28:45

say wow Well I think you were living

28:48

before and if anything we diminished under the

28:50

thank you you like her mother assets they

28:52

did you guys but I bye bye bye.

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