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2:26

Hi My name is Ron Howard and I feel.

2:31

Pretty. Indifferent about going with no corner,

2:33

O'brien is when I was. There,

2:36

No one says this often but Ron

2:39

Howard. You press the set up a.

3:02

Yellow. There and welcome to corner.

3:04

Brian needs a friend. I wanted to

3:07

start a little different. so when with

3:09

the yellow there and that might be

3:11

some of the yeah? Like a Midwestern

3:13

Dj from the city? Hello there, That's

3:15

cool. Yeah that liquid liner really cool

3:18

for my pals. Yes, the cool bar

3:20

here is succeeding. We love joined by

3:22

my compatriot us my confederates com padres

3:24

co owners. Ah well, I have stake

3:27

in this thing Out on or not,

3:29

there are no no no no no

3:31

I bought a nineteen. Sixty Four

3:33

nice Ah, Rambler and were cologne

3:35

and I am satisfied. Yeah, it's

3:38

an old car. Still a different

3:40

car that I would know. Yellow. Athiest

3:43

Sonam of says C N N Yellow

3:45

Smack Gourley Ah Sona it is. Had

3:48

a very nice experience. I had to

3:50

go into a jewelry store to have

3:52

one of my many chain pendants repaired.

3:55

When you. Have. Somebody to send it does. Mr.

3:57

t sends me one of my someone's the

4:00

yeah And then I feel like yeah, I'll

4:02

ownership of that. So no I had to

4:04

have a something

4:07

Fixed a little bit and I went in

4:09

there and they were immediately like Conan and

4:12

it's all because of you It's

4:15

because they're Armenian and they so as

4:17

a hero I think you're

4:19

kind of discounting how big I am in the

4:21

Armenian community. Are we? They

4:23

did say where is Fussy Man? Which

4:26

is Armenian for coolest dude ever Yes,

4:30

I just look at my posture. Anyway,

4:33

we we had a nice exchange They

4:35

were very happy that I went to Armenia with you.

4:37

That is the gift that keeps on giving It's

4:39

that yeah in LA especially you have street

4:42

cred with the Armenians. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

4:44

Eduardo's nodding a lot Eduardo Your wife

4:47

is Armenian am I correct? Yes, Vonces.

4:49

Yes What

4:52

do you mean check him out? He said how are

4:54

you? Yeah Vonces. Oh, I thought you said her name

4:56

was Vonces No, her name's Aza. Yeah, I know when

4:58

you said Vonces No one

5:00

everyone listening just assumed that was her name. No, except

5:02

our Armenian fans Yeah, we have a lot of which

5:04

there are two and they work at a jewelry store

5:07

right up the street Vonces

5:10

yeah, but he said I said but I have

5:12

and he said inch plus second I said love

5:14

him and he went whoa. Yes. Oh that's him.

5:16

Let's not keep it pushing Grab

5:19

a graba. Oh, don't do that. Why

5:21

don't you're fake Armenian? You're doing so

5:23

well and it just a

5:26

matter of time before you didn't know

5:28

it was fake and I'm fluent

5:30

Yeah, and you do say every

5:32

now and then I hit a real word accidentally. No,

5:34

I don't Grapest abhi not

5:36

at all. Oh Hush,

5:38

yeah. Yeah. Hush. No, what dialect

5:41

do you speak? I It's

5:43

important that I know self-war it. Do

5:45

you even know that you asked a real question? Yes

5:48

Oh, no, you don't do I

5:50

I speak Western dialect. Yeah I'm

5:53

a gorgorgorgorgorgorg. Oh, come on. Yeah

6:00

Anyway, I'm in, I think

6:03

I'm doing well in the Armenian community and I think

6:05

if we go community by community eventually it will have

6:08

everybody under our tent. Did they hook you up? Can I go

6:10

there and get some shit for free? Yes, they

6:12

did hook me up. They gave me six

6:14

pounds of dried apricot. It's

6:17

rolled up like a carpet. Yeah, of

6:19

course. And yeah. Carpet.

6:23

Well, you remember when you and I went, that's what they

6:25

kept giving us was dried apricot and dried pomegranate. Yeah, they

6:27

gave us a lot of- It was very good. But

6:29

I said, you know what, we call these back home

6:32

a fruit roll up. And they

6:34

said, why are you speaking in that crazy way? And

6:36

I said, I'm doing a comedy character and

6:39

this is a fruit roll up. And

6:41

remember then they said, you need to leave Armenia immediately. Yeah,

6:43

they did. They almost kicked us out of the

6:45

country. And they also were like, that's not funny even

6:48

if we understood what you were doing. They said,

6:50

we understand the reference now and it's still

6:52

not funny. Yes. Yes. Yeah,

6:55

it could fool me because this looks

6:57

like a fruit roll up. You

7:00

doubled down. I tripled down. Don't double down. By

7:02

now it's quadruple down because I think I'm on

7:04

the fourth go around. I'm fruit roll up. But

7:08

we had a nice bond. And

7:11

so I do sincerely thank you

7:13

for hooking me

7:15

up in the Armenian community. They're very nice people. Well,

7:17

you know what, I mean, this is sincere. It

7:20

was your idea to go there and that always

7:22

meant a lot to me. So thank you for

7:24

taking me to Armenia. Of course. It

7:27

was three trips or the best trip. Also

7:30

it was your homeland. Oh, that's right. Yeah,

7:32

that's right. It wasn't a Vegas U-turn.

7:34

You know, and what is your, what

7:37

would you consider your ancestral homeland, Matt?

7:39

I always thought it was Irish then

7:41

learned it was definitely Scots Irish, but

7:43

now I think I'm mostly

7:46

English. So let's just go hit all three, you

7:48

and me, huh, buddy? You know

7:50

what, I'm up for it. Okay. So you

7:52

went on this trip? Yeah. Yeah.

7:55

You're paying? Well, it's

7:57

not going to be me that's paying. We're going to find

7:59

a sponsor. Okay, okay, I'll totally

8:01

go yeah, yeah, we're gonna get solo stove

8:03

to back Do

8:06

we have to use a solo stove on the plane we

8:09

have to fly a plane that's made of solo stuff They're

8:12

all welded together and

8:14

the plane is constantly on fire, but there's

8:16

no smoke Yeah, and

8:18

it's kind of a jet turbine exactly Point

8:21

it the right way. No, that's my idea that I've

8:24

had for well And I think I've mentioned this which

8:26

is I just start talking up a product a lot

8:28

now We happen to have a relationship with solo stove. They're

8:30

not paying for this mention right now. This is a freebie

8:32

for you guys Shout out solo

8:35

stuff But I do think we should

8:37

start talking about products that we don't have a

8:39

connection to agree and then we'll get into bed

8:41

With them. Yeah, and and I mean like Apple.

8:43

Where's Apple been right after a huge company and

8:45

this is a cool podcast Adam

8:48

you need to advertise. Yeah. Yeah because

8:50

you know what I even

8:52

hardcore Apple fans if

8:54

they aren't made aware Yeah,

8:56

that there's a new Apple phone somehow through

8:59

advertising or something. They're not gonna know I

9:01

need to buy a new desktop I'll

9:04

wait. Okay. I think why don't you do a

9:06

preemptive Apple read right now? That'll get to let

9:08

them know that you really care about the product.

9:10

You know, I love Apple and I always have

9:14

because Well Apple just

9:16

gets the job done, you know get her

9:18

doing wait, that's not good. Okay, so This

9:21

is a good Because

9:23

that's Larry the cable guy cars who's a

9:26

Pixar which is owned by okay. No one

9:28

else made that connection though Yeah, I like he

9:30

was having a breakdown. No need to do that.

9:32

He's a rain man of useless information No,

9:35

but what I believe is that look

9:37

look I'm just gonna say it, you

9:40

know, I got the Apple watch I use the

9:42

the Apple phone as known as the iPhone too

9:44

many fans. Yes And see

9:47

the Apple watch on your wrist, right? Are

9:50

you trying to help or not? I wear

9:52

it when I'm extra wearing it somewhere else. Can

9:54

I tell you something else? Yes. Yes, they make

9:56

a special one for other regions

9:58

of the body and we just lost Apple.

10:00

You know who we have? Samsung. And Samsung

10:03

is great. You know, Samsung is great. Do

10:05

we really have Samsung? Oh, we have Samsung. Why are we

10:07

doing an Apple commercial? Can

10:09

I say something? Can I just say something? Can I

10:11

just say something? I love it. Let me

10:13

just rip off the top. This is just, I just had this thought. Fuck out.

10:16

You know what I mean? I'm not buying a new Samsung frame TV.

10:18

And guess what? I'll tell you something else. This is why I should

10:20

have been talking to you. I'm not buying a new Samsung frame TV.

10:22

I'm buying a new Samsung frame TV. And guess what? I'll tell you

10:24

something else. or

10:27

an if, is it if phone or iPhone? I think it's if phone, right?

10:29

Everyone calls it an Apple phone. Everyone does. Anyway, keep

10:31

saying it. Yeah. Here's

10:34

the thing. This

10:36

is my wet game. I'm not even going to say that. I'm not

10:38

going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not

10:40

going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going

10:42

to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm

11:44

not going to say that. Samsung gets it done. And then I

11:46

guess, what happened to Apple? They kind

11:48

of fell apart. Well, while we were talking, they weren't bankrupt.

11:50

That's what I'm told. We have that much kind of power.

11:52

And when I said that much kind of power, that's not

11:55

a real sentence. Not much kind. Not

11:57

much kind. Hey, if I catch myself before you

11:59

do. That's not a problem. Hey,

12:01

I'm gonna wrap it up right now. I

12:03

just want to say yellow to all our

12:06

listeners. And remember, Samsung's

12:08

the way to go, and if you need a

12:10

phone, I don't know. I wouldn't listen to my

12:12

mama. Okay, don't know if you're coming. And they

12:14

do everything. What? Appliances? Who are we

12:16

talking about now? Samsung. Oh, I thought you were talking about

12:18

Apple. Apple doesn't do shit! Okay, now you're going too far.

12:20

What if they're about to buy in? Oh, okay. Oh yeah,

12:22

we gotta leave the door open. What do you think about

12:24

that? Yeah, I think we should leave the door open. I

12:26

don't need the door open to crack and say, I think

12:28

they do make a fine product. Oh.

12:30

But we love Samsung. We love

12:32

Samsung. But, you know,

12:35

why isn't it ruining this world

12:37

for both? I

12:39

don't know what that voice is. It's

12:41

a good yellow for all of you. And...

12:44

Vonses. What'd you say to me?

12:46

I said Vonses. And I can't wait to meet her.

12:48

I can't wait to meet your wife. I'll

12:51

be like, Vonses, Vonses, you're more beautiful than I thought. And

12:53

she'll be like, what are you talking about? Why

12:56

are you saying you're more beautiful than I

12:58

thought? Eduardo's wife. Yeah. Yeah.

13:01

Because I... You think the Vonses is

13:03

weird? You know what? You're

13:06

way more beautiful than I thought. You know

13:08

what? I've been saying that to women for

13:10

so many years. I've been saying that to

13:13

women for so many years. And I

13:15

have to say it, not getting a good reaction. No,

13:18

so many times I say to women, I say... You

13:21

know, people bring their spouses by and they go,

13:23

oh, you're so much more beautiful than I thought.

13:25

And it's weird. You're essentially saying, I thought you

13:27

were ugly prior to seeing you. Yeah. Yeah.

13:31

Yeah. And it also implies I'm thinking about

13:33

you a lot. Yes. And

13:35

think of you as ugly. Hey, would you do

13:37

me a favor, Eduardo? Tell Vonses. Tell

13:40

Vonses I'm very sorry for what I said and I didn't

13:42

mean it. I will love that. And I can't wait to

13:44

meet Vonses. No. Keep her

13:46

away from him. All right. We got to get into

13:48

it. And what a show

13:51

we have today. What a show we have today.

13:53

My guest on the podcast is

13:55

an Academy Award winning director of

13:58

such movies as Apollo mind

14:00

in Night Shift. He now has

14:02

a new documentary on Disney Plus

14:05

called Jim Henson Idea Man and

14:07

it is a must. Ron

14:15

Howard welcome. You

14:19

have this reputation of being like oh he's the

14:21

nicest guy and then you come in here

14:23

and you take me off. I can take

14:26

it leave it. Yeah I'm here.

14:28

To be honest you really could. I mean

14:30

I wish you

14:35

showed up. You've had a level of success.

14:37

Frankly I'm surprised when anyone shows up but

14:41

you've had a level of success where yeah you

14:43

do not need to be here and I'm appreciative

14:45

that you're here. I actually do. I've always loved

14:47

conversations with you. Going back to your rookie year

14:49

on TV. You came on you were one of the early people

14:51

to come on the show and you agreed to do a bit.

14:54

No one knew who I was and we

14:56

were trying very very out

14:58

there bits and we said

15:00

what we want to do is we want to saw your

15:02

arm off and you said okay

15:06

and we did a bit where you had a

15:08

stunt arm and at one point we're talking and

15:10

I just take out a saw and I saw

15:12

your arm off and you're screaming and you

15:14

were fantastic and of course

15:16

most people didn't know who I was. You

15:19

were you know you've been iconic

15:21

since I don't know 1965 and

15:25

beloved and so people I remember this

15:27

is back when people would write in with

15:29

complaints but people were saying the way you

15:31

treated Ron Howard. I didn't

15:33

really saw his arm off. I loved it. Hey

15:36

a funny red head. There you go. Okay I

15:38

have a very clear distinct memory of getting invited

15:40

to some event. I don't know what it was

15:42

maybe it was like a Vanity Fair party. Something

15:45

that where I would feel a little bit out

15:47

of place thinking do I belong here and I'm

15:49

with my wife and I get they see me

15:51

at a table with you and your wife and

15:53

a couple of other people but we're all right

15:56

next to each other and then you and

15:58

I start to get into this very intense conversation. conversation and

16:00

I remembered people at the table thinking

16:02

wow, what's where Conan and

16:05

on how we're talking about It's really intense like are

16:07

they talking about film? What are they talking about my

16:10

wife we do over and she listened and then she said to

16:12

the rest of the group sunblock It

16:17

was true and I was and you were saying like yeah, no,

16:19

no, here's what I do I always try to wear a hat

16:22

It's gotta be at least the 45 and I was like, oh,

16:24

yeah, but if there's ink in there It

16:28

can be problematic We

16:31

went we've got really deep and then and and

16:34

of course your your wife was like, yeah Well,

16:36

my wife's a redhead. Yeah your color

16:38

Yeah vivid redhead and same as as

16:40

Bryce when Bryce is our firstborn the

16:42

first time that we took her in

16:45

We went to the dermatologist Cheryl and I and

16:47

and brought Bryce and Bryce was literally in our

16:49

arms So she was maybe maybe a year old

16:52

Yeah, and the dermatologist, you know gives us each

16:54

our checkup and so forth and then he and

16:56

then he says, you know You're gonna you're gonna

16:58

have to keep a hat on her You're gonna

17:00

have to keep her and and then he looked

17:02

at Cheryl and looked at me and he said,

17:04

you know, she's very pale She's pale. Yes,

17:06

we know he said you're not gonna

17:08

have any more kids. Are you? Yeah,

17:14

I Remember

17:17

Distinctly having a conversation with the dermatologist once where

17:20

he said, okay. Okay, this is when I'm in

17:22

my 30s and he went Okay. Okay. I mean

17:24

but look at the Franklin you have the sun

17:26

damage Yeah, you know and he said

17:28

well, would you do some block and I said yeah, and he

17:30

said you were a hat Yeah, do you wear long shirts? Yeah

17:33

Okay, but what about some

17:36

days? Would you ever

17:38

like walk? How do you get from like the car to

17:40

that? I said, you know I live on the planet

17:42

earth and there's nothing we can

17:44

do about that because it hasn't Well,

17:50

it's your death It's

17:52

like they're afraid you're gonna bring down the

17:54

level of life expectancy for their patient. Yeah,

17:56

they smurge their record. Yeah I'm

18:00

gonna lead you a lawsuit. You

18:02

mentioned Bryce who I adore. She's

18:05

a terrific, talent, beautiful. You must be very

18:07

proud of her. You told me that when

18:09

she came on my show once, it was

18:12

a very tense moment for

18:14

you. Why? Well, I mean,

18:16

I'm a parent of adults. That

18:18

sort of constant worrying about your

18:20

kids is kind of faded. I

18:23

don't have that. I don't have that. I

18:26

never had, I just thought like, hey man, I'm in

18:28

show business. I gotta worry about myself. These

18:30

kids are on their own. Well, good

18:32

for you. But. Yeah.

18:35

Yeah. Yeah. She

18:37

walked your path. Yeah,

18:40

okay. Okay. Okay. But

18:43

she said, I'm gonna cry on

18:45

demand on Conan's show. And

18:49

I said, oh, come on Bryce. And

18:51

I've seen her do it. Yeah. She

18:53

can cry on command. And

18:56

I said, but that's, yeah, I mean, it's a show. It's

18:58

a live show. And

19:00

she said, no, I'm gonna do it. And

19:03

so then she told me it worked. So

19:06

I know that. And yet when I watched

19:08

her on the show doing it, I

19:10

was so edge of my feet still. Yeah.

19:13

I'll tell you, I recommend if you get a

19:15

second, check this out. Cause Bryce was

19:17

on the show and she did this. And it

19:19

was really, I think, I mean, I can't say

19:22

this about my own show, but it was a

19:24

very cool moment of television because

19:27

she said she was gonna do it. The

19:29

whole audience gets very quiet and

19:32

there's a process and you can

19:34

hear a pin drop. My heart's

19:36

pounding because I'm thinking I'm the host

19:39

of the show. You're

19:42

not that funny. Yeah. I

19:45

had gotten used to it at that point. And

19:49

then it happens and it

19:51

is you, it was a moment.

19:54

And I've heard about it from so many people.

19:56

And when the tear finally rolled down, I was

19:59

like, oh yeah. Everybody. Might

20:01

as well have been a Super Bowl touchdown. But

20:04

here's the thing about Bryson Crying. Her

20:07

first professional job, maybe

20:09

not her first, her first time on Broadway was

20:12

this Tartuffe, this classic show. And so

20:14

here she is in this

20:16

theater opening night. She is

20:18

sick, fever. Cheryl

20:21

and I had to get her to the theater and we

20:23

weren't sure she was going to be able to even do

20:25

the show, but of course it's opening night so she's doing

20:27

it. And there's this scene where she's

20:29

at her father's feet and begging

20:31

for something and she

20:33

starts crying. And we're sitting in like the

20:36

third row and it's theater so people can

20:38

fake cry and it kind of, but she's

20:40

really crying. Tears are going down her

20:42

face and it's just like an

20:44

unbelievable moment for

20:46

me coming from a theatrical family and all

20:48

that. And I looked over and Cheryl's just kind

20:51

of sitting with her arms crossed, kind of

20:53

with a little smile on her face.

20:55

No emotion whatsoever. So we get

20:57

to intermission and I said, babe, weren't you

20:59

knocked out by that moment? I

21:01

mean, you know, there she is. She's

21:03

got a fever. It's opening night. She's

21:06

crying real tears on Broadway. And she

21:08

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26:04

Mentioned are coming from this from

26:06

this family. It's. Really worth noting

26:08

that your career in probable in so

26:10

many ways because just on Andy Griffith

26:12

alone you could have spent the rest

26:14

of your life setting up a card

26:16

table you already can sit out and

26:18

having that amazing experience. And it's so

26:20

funny because I'm around gets interview So

26:22

many terrific actors Talking to Walton Goggins

26:25

the other day talking to Billy Bob

26:27

Thornton. both of them site the Andy

26:29

Griffith Show. As. Being seminal for

26:31

them. Amazing And I think. I'll.

26:33

Stand it because it's character comedies. I'm

26:35

not afraid of a long pause frank

26:37

are not afraid of and I was

26:39

saying there seems outside the courthouse from

26:41

the barbershop The to like waiting for

26:44

get down and beautiful light on it

26:46

really does or hold up blood. Cia

26:48

was so much a function of a

26:50

of a kind of singular creative voice.

26:52

Not that and he wrote he wasn't.

26:54

The you. Know he wasn't even didn't

26:57

have a producer credit but it was.

26:59

His show was Tailored is Sensibility and

27:01

Sheldon Leonard who who's the executive producer

27:03

and very active on that on the

27:05

show was his old character actor who

27:07

had become this incredible television producer. Had

27:10

great success with Danny Thomas in Van

27:12

Dyke Am Andy Griffith show Arm and

27:14

for a moment he was like the

27:16

comedy producer but he was there all

27:18

the times and they were always stressing

27:20

character and and he used to kill

27:22

jokes if they were if they were

27:24

too. Broad. And and he

27:27

just kept saying the South is plenty funny

27:29

on it's own us for our our without

27:31

having to reach for it. and Ryan and

27:33

and and and do slapstick and stuff you

27:35

know, and and and and Death or he

27:37

didn't like. Petticoat Junction and Hillbilly L

27:39

A I didn't have the Lg has a movie

27:42

I directed. Like

27:44

Beverly Hillbilly. Ah,

27:47

Beverly Hillbilly Rice and of you know

27:49

because they because you know they were

27:51

doing sketch basically yeah and and my

27:53

tonsils out and eat like when lab

27:55

murder. You know why? Seats And so

27:57

as a result, I don't know that

27:59

there's that. Their been other single

28:01

camera shows that kind of held

28:03

that tone. may be real Mccoys

28:06

the little bit, but they didn't

28:08

have Don Knotts Young, our N

28:10

and and I was remarking recently

28:12

that it's the ability to have

28:15

two characters just talking about us

28:17

a nice day while those idiots

28:19

were usually when the show was

28:21

short. And never come.

28:24

So we would shoot Monday, Tuesday

28:26

and Wednesday to handle camera your

28:28

her son. Third read: On Thursdays

28:30

rehearse Friday's shoot Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday

28:32

and several times these scenes the

28:34

kinds that you're citing yes, ah,

28:36

usually between Dawn and Andy. Yep,

28:38

ah ah. the I remember vividly

28:40

Aaron, Aaron, Ruben arm or showrunner

28:42

coming down and saying. We

28:45

talk and Andy and then. And then

28:47

and he would. He always called Dawn

28:49

Jesse. Yeah in this Jesse were sorts.

28:51

Ah ah come on and new anecdote.

28:54

Very last thing of the other end

28:56

of the Wednesday night shoots would be

28:58

the two of them and they would

29:00

have just talked about of a little

29:02

bit and they'd wind up doing doing

29:04

one of these. One of the see

29:07

are amazing and it's it's is. I

29:09

love watching them because they're just playing

29:11

the silences and it's so well of

29:13

course you've got these to consummate beautiful

29:15

actors. Just such great comedic. Actress but

29:17

just ah oh boy to this day.

29:20

Serious. Isn't it? Yep

29:23

Yep Yep. Yep Yep

29:25

Yep Yep. You're

29:27

watching that you're thinking. I. Have this

29:29

theory that comedy has been increasingly compressed

29:31

to the point now that when any

29:34

series starts, they have to start of

29:36

the most dramatic moment and then it's

29:38

a flash. That turns out it's a

29:40

flashback. This because. They. Can't start

29:43

slowly. You might. People.

29:45

Can slip to another streaming platform to

29:47

quickly right? So every show starts with

29:49

main character has five bullet holes in

29:52

them and any screaming and then you

29:54

kudzu two weeks earlier and I think.

29:57

They. Don't trust us that some that

29:59

this is going the somewhere and there's

30:01

a lot of parallel editing and everything

30:03

and just the idea that what are

30:05

the most popular shows in television history

30:07

could often consist of people slaying saying

30:10

these and it In that case and

30:12

the fact that the show really does

30:14

endure mean it actually on like all

30:16

the time and especially over cove it.

30:18

I kept hearing from people that it

30:20

was, it was like a lifeline. ah

30:23

you know for them. But here's the

30:25

thing. How lucky was I. To.

30:27

Go To Grow Up in that situation where

30:29

in fact the environment was set up for

30:32

actors to know, improvised but participate, make suggestions

30:34

things like that. And even as a six

30:36

year old I mean my dad was having

30:38

to read the lines of the read through

30:41

and I would just kind of sit there

30:43

adverse my father rants, but later I do

30:45

know when I started very learn to read

30:48

and so forth I was in it and

30:50

I actually started occasionally making a suggestion and

30:52

they'd never knew it. Never once. you were

30:54

gonna piss me off a little that the

30:57

I. Thought that was very sad and

30:59

I will never forget. It was the

31:01

second episode of the of the second

31:04

season and I had turned seven and.we

31:06

were rehearsing. The. Scene: Where are we

31:08

supposed to come into the into the courthouse

31:10

and odis. House near so does the

31:13

was over here and and he was there and

31:15

Dom somewhere else and I and I came in

31:17

and I'm supposed to say hey pass something something

31:19

wherever the line was and then I sort of

31:21

stopped. The director bob Seen said what is it

31:23

on A and I said well I don't think

31:26

a kid would say it that way So any

31:28

said well how do you think a kid would

31:30

say it I don't member with a line was

31:32

but I would I I pitched my little my

31:34

mother fix on it's any said okay good yes

31:36

Do it, Do it that way and A was

31:39

just like I was a part of it. I

31:41

just felt this surge. Of of the

31:43

of you know of of have

31:45

been involved in something and damn

31:47

Andy from across said does. Where.

31:50

Do you grinning at young and Stuff Us and

31:52

I said what's the first idea of mine you've

31:54

taken any gave it the proper beat you say?

31:56

Well, it was the first one was any damn

31:59

good. Know it. You're.

32:05

Not realize it was just such a

32:07

system. You look at the history of

32:10

situation. Tommy's especially are usually and an

32:12

increasingly so through the seventies and eighties

32:14

and nineties. The kids role was to

32:16

say something overly sophisticated and wise ass

32:19

wise assay that a kid would never

32:21

say. So that's where you get all

32:23

these in of the Gary Coleman character

32:25

that says like will have yes may

32:28

sound like disguise fan so many times.

32:30

as an hour and. Happens

32:33

and I know it does. I agree

32:35

with them I think we are a

32:37

threat of a farm and what I

32:39

think really holds up well as your

32:41

character is a real boy. he's of

32:43

your plane, use your your plane, the

32:45

reality of the situations you're not saying.

32:47

only get this straight and our says

32:49

drugs again. Have suffered another one in

32:51

three hours. A week

32:53

long as the camera which by the way would

32:56

have been a great line. My yes, but well.

32:58

Okay, This is something that dub

33:01

that means a lot to me and it

33:03

was and him and I didn't know anything

33:05

about it at the time. But.

33:07

Later and he told me this. So.

33:10

When we were doing all I

33:12

can revival returned to Mayberry are

33:14

winners interview and serves in a

33:16

specials or something and he told

33:18

me this that in that very

33:20

first season the first episode that

33:22

my dad was an actor. yeah

33:24

I'm not famous actor but news

33:26

seems professional work and took it

33:28

upon himself to just got quietly

33:30

dandy and one point and say

33:32

now I see their writing oh

33:34

be. Kind. Of the way

33:36

they write the Rusty Hammer character on

33:38

Games Helms smooth and like so many

33:40

shows where he's was s yes and

33:43

he said that you know Ronnie can

33:45

do that and everything but what what

33:47

has? He actually respected his father and.

33:50

And he thought about it. And

33:52

told me years later that he went

33:54

back to the writers and said, let's

33:56

right, That's. right? Andy Opie like

33:58

like Ronnie rants. Oh wow and

34:00

yeah yeah and let's try that and they

34:03

went for yeah. What stands out we've been

34:05

said a steady diet of everyone hates Dad

34:07

does an idiot for i in the kids

34:09

and kid knows it and the kid knows

34:12

it is always letting him know it and

34:14

it in a got amped up some some

34:16

stretched out and kind of i'm not a

34:18

way like on married with Children were you

34:20

know their or or sometimes the Simpsons with

34:23

are actively plotting defined as as for my

34:25

baby last still offensive zone of. Really

34:28

funny as I am. I think. The

34:30

right way to go assess assess. My point

34:32

is your dad was run up and I

34:34

don't either. Ah that's passing to me that

34:36

you were part of that and you could have

34:38

been part of so many shows but that one's

34:40

difference. And then you go from that years in

34:43

film and then you start to think to

34:45

know one thing I do. I knew he

34:47

would. I have sinned directing because you've been,

34:49

you're around, you're watching during my years to

34:51

interested in it and there's a job you

34:53

take on a tv show and you think

34:55

what is probably won't get in the way of

34:57

me going to film school. says.

34:59

What Tv show last more

35:01

than a pilot or for

35:04

seems like it's as you

35:06

sign up for happy days

35:08

threat to us. Ah ah

35:10

ah we're it's now now.

35:12

I mean I mostly know

35:14

Andy Griffith show Mayberry are

35:16

Steve from reruns because I

35:18

really come of age in

35:20

the seventies. The. Thing.

35:23

Is. Happy Days and nights. It's it's

35:25

these. It's semi the only show

35:27

on T V. That. We are

35:29

white and you're just right. There At

35:31

the heart of this thing is Juggernaut.

35:34

And it was not the plan right?

35:36

No it wasn't really the plan and

35:38

and and also of course the the

35:41

course of the show is evolved you

35:43

know as as as as as Henry

35:45

Winkler character Fonsi took off by your

35:47

the whole show shifted. It was

35:50

pretty thrilling to be around it and

35:52

we went from a solid show to

35:54

sort of drifting like that we get

35:56

cancelled to let's let's put Fonsi front

35:58

and center movements. The advantage of this

36:01

and then I think we became an unborn

36:03

show even that first season that when that

36:05

we went in front of an audience which

36:07

was a huge education for me because I'd

36:09

never done anything in front of people. And

36:11

here we have this Garry Marshall. this great

36:13

bunch of writers though low dans among them

36:15

who wound up writing with his partner Bob

36:17

Loom and Dell. You know that every night

36:19

shift in the Iran and all and and

36:21

some the other movies so because their own

36:23

and In and City Slicker Anguish. but it

36:26

suddenly was about these hard last. And

36:28

that I had never really been

36:30

around that search you know ah

36:33

Don Knotts would sometimes get there

36:35

but it was more of a

36:37

it was agenda in of totally

36:39

based on on reality it's I

36:41

was terrified doing it but I

36:44

learned so much and. I

36:46

and Jerry Paris was this consummate. Comedy.

36:48

Director in the the Date just a

36:51

just educate so nerds out I mean

36:53

cleaners out there. Jared Harris was a

36:55

the neighbor on As Griffith, Shabby Isaac

36:57

I Die or right as I can

36:59

they and they had led him direct

37:01

and now that he had this incredible

37:03

guest and he was a funny actor

37:05

but he was a brilliant comedy director

37:08

We had him for almost ninety five

37:10

percent of our episodes was was Jerry

37:12

and he was a ringleader and and

37:14

just tremendous and a great teacher And

37:16

and and suddenly you're on feeling the

37:18

audience. And I'm understanding timing and all

37:20

these kinds of things in a way

37:23

that I never did before. Force Henry

37:25

Great stage actor Tom Bosley was on

37:27

the show and us when I finally

37:29

get chances are directing comedy Where we

37:31

are gone for last which is night

37:34

shifts and and splashed I was so

37:36

grateful. To. Have in my head. The.

37:38

Kind of the rhythms that I'd learned about

37:40

not some the Andy Griffith show but from

37:43

happiness. One of the things that member of

37:45

the first time I sought unhappy was unhappy

37:47

days and then you later on side more

37:50

and more but characters would enter and you

37:52

know first season of Happiness or member was

37:54

single camera right an end sought more in

37:56

this phrase so mic way. And. Then

37:59

second season. You're in front of

38:01

a studio audience and in the shows

38:03

becoming super popular, crazy popular and so

38:05

characters will enter any i go crazy

38:07

ice and so characters had to the

38:09

or they're entering with important information like

38:12

there's a fire across the street assess.

38:15

Assess assess as Ron You'll enter.

38:17

You'll enter the you know, whatever

38:19

that the amounts shop that and

38:22

you'll be like hey hon I

38:24

signed your family or I just

38:26

sick of ah ha a federal

38:28

law and look around. And then

38:31

you'll get in. Was finally whatever would

38:33

die son is the fire for street

38:35

and if you take the reality of

38:37

it, there's something you like. a sociopath,

38:39

a psychopath writing stamps l everybody right

38:41

away or the went viral right? right?

38:43

Law may. As

38:45

well as that was it. I mean look this

38:47

is that was part of the excitement. Would have

38:50

to take the l you know all all the.

38:52

The. Hysteria around Fonsi? yes and putting from

38:54

audience yeah and you know and Maxi directly

38:56

compete with said Jj Walker Yeah, that that.

38:58

which is which is where times have we

39:01

have good temps. That's what they were. That's

39:03

what they were gone for and us and

39:05

it you know the same thing would happily

39:07

Jj on that show. Yeah and and so

39:09

was kind of. I was kind of a

39:12

new kind of the things now. A you

39:14

know, I don't know, I'm no, I don't

39:16

I'm not watching a lot of audience sitcoms

39:18

these days, but I don't know whether. I

39:20

think most people that are name's. Who was

39:23

an audience has been else is a block and

39:25

shoot It's so funny because tastes have changed times.

39:27

have seen some what's I? that's I think we're

39:29

in a golden age. I. Sometimes

39:31

people to cry over Tv these days.

39:33

when I agree, you know you're talking

39:35

about speed and density, a comedy and

39:37

so forth. And when When we? when

39:39

when we were beginning Arrested Development, Mitch

39:41

Hurwitz and I talked a lot about

39:43

the Simpsons and part of that style

39:45

was to create. I kept. I kept

39:47

saying a kind of of last yes

39:49

and and I was a big proponent

39:52

of that. And them. Was.

39:54

Kind of lead to not only that the

39:56

the style which was sort of supposed to be

39:58

originally much a little more. Oh documentary than

40:00

it wound up being but you know I

40:02

was pitching the idea of a narrator image

40:04

said i don't think we're gonna need that

40:06

We did it and so far as a

40:08

new and he just he he shot and

40:11

and was funny but he said you know

40:13

we should try it as an experiment I

40:15

kind of think you're onto something So is

40:17

a is directing a movie in Santa Fe

40:19

and he said would you just hemp in

40:21

the voice and I'd So I did it

40:23

literally in the soundtrack. Were on location in

40:25

Santa Fe, did at one lunch break for

40:27

the pilot right and self centered off. didn't

40:29

think much about. It a couple of later

40:31

Mitch called back and said die While I

40:33

have I have really good news and news

40:35

that may be as good or maybe not.

40:37

I don't know and I said whoa, Okay

40:39

we'll give me the really good news. First,

40:41

he said the pilot tested really well and

40:44

I as well. what's the what's the mix

40:46

news He said well I just don't know

40:48

how you're going to feel about it because

40:50

the the narrator tested the highest and now

40:52

you are not. Recall

40:55

the show What I said: you're doing

40:58

stuff your honor of. Of

41:01

that I love being met, says

41:03

or says ah My son and

41:05

I watch, We watch, we watch

41:07

and rewards Arrested Development all the

41:10

time. Because he's got really

41:12

good comedy taste, I'm not so

41:14

much to his liking by. A

41:17

separate out. We'll watch it again and again

41:19

and again. And what makes perfect sense to

41:22

me? You know when something's done,

41:24

you just take it granted that everything is

41:26

the way it is, right? So of course,

41:28

it would never occur to me that you

41:30

wouldn't be the narrator of Arrested Development. And

41:32

I think from my money, if you had

41:34

to say like, okay this. One. Of

41:36

us. What about? The. Absolute. Act me

41:38

with the height of television comedy and you

41:40

can not one. but you can pick like

41:43

five arrested of elements in their homes. Think

41:45

the best of it is absolute procession. And.

41:48

Ah, I do

41:51

saying. That. People.

41:54

Know you, they like you, and they trust

41:56

you. And. You your voice. Saying

41:58

meanwhile. Your. Advice

42:02

or had his own ideas. And

42:04

as accident so that you don't bust your

42:07

thinking he's in Mexico. or the really he's

42:09

only ten miles from his house. Of

42:12

us and we think it has housekeepers resize. It's

42:16

I thought states you're being tested

42:18

by the has progressed through this

42:20

absolute madness and ah I don't

42:22

think that show could exist without

42:24

you. There isn't You will also

42:27

use really fun but whenever whenever

42:29

I'd have an episode. Where.

42:31

I I really had a lotta lines. I. Said

42:33

meet you been even even

42:36

even struggling with this ah

42:38

a hooker the narrator to

42:40

bury Ah man ah another

42:43

reason that was funny. Or.

42:48

Would you find yourself reading lines like

42:50

that? But Mitch A bonafide comedy genius,

42:52

young, energetic, the you know this and

42:54

the cast that we assemble from Guy.

42:56

From the first moment it was like.

42:59

You. Know that this is this is a little

43:01

too good to be true. I mean is

43:03

just home run hitters and every you know

43:05

every term yeah it is absolute by it

43:07

is absolute perfection. I can't watch it in

43:10

Us and it's still the go to. If.

43:12

My sunset? a hard day or I've had a hard

43:14

day. We both had a hard day. Well, Okay,

43:17

Arrested Development is still the go to school

43:19

and we watch shit and at there are

43:21

certain moments. Ah, that's ah I

43:24

go to again and again and again

43:26

that I can't stand. I'm friends with

43:28

a bunch of these guys so I

43:31

will. I will corner. Ah. Will.

43:33

Arnett A: Why does it. Bother.

43:35

You if you're dancing as a

43:37

magician but busters dancing as well

43:39

as the bothers you that that

43:41

is often getting an A lie.

43:46

But I'll just how gm all the time

43:48

about that said us and you get answers.

43:50

Guess that answers. So. You've. Now shit

43:53

a gusher twice and that implies

43:55

that you had nothing to do

43:57

with it because he did but

43:59

it's a disgrace fortune. And then

44:01

I remember very clearly seeing oh

44:03

there's gonna be this movie Grand

44:06

Theft Auto and it's Directed by

44:08

Ron Howard. Now since then reverse

44:10

lawyer with the ideas and on

44:12

camera person directing I Sell Mercury

44:14

by. I. Remember at the time seeking ways

44:17

now I felt that pressure because you know I mean

44:19

I was that I meant up might as well had

44:21

that same is t shirt What I really wanted to

44:23

his direct since I was about fourteen and you know

44:25

and I would. Yeah and I would get the most.

44:28

Sir. Patronizing. Responses.

44:31

When I would admit it and but I

44:33

I but I also made the most out

44:35

of those situations and I would have to

44:37

hang with the directors and take notes and

44:39

do all kinds of things and death. But

44:41

but you know? yeah that was not a

44:43

transition and spend particular to have been a

44:45

kid actor on a sitcom is it? You

44:48

know the whole thing was seems ludicrous in

44:50

people's minds. So. But.

44:52

You'd be some of you Must have a.

44:55

Coincidence because you knew on some level

44:57

you knew I got this. Yes, I

44:59

did. I really, I mean and and

45:01

in fact, I started shooting Grand Theft

45:03

Auto the day after my twenty third

45:05

birthday. But I was disappointed because I'd

45:07

really plan to direct feature while I'm

45:09

still in my teens and is I

45:11

was my I was my goal and

45:13

us butter. Or but if but

45:15

you know again it wasn't The business was

45:18

so much more closed Then and then there

45:20

were enter into words it was not even

45:22

any like M T V or anything. We

45:24

could go and prove your chops somewhere. A

45:26

was today. People can make a film using

45:28

their phones, take this phone and and you

45:31

make something of the book i hate I

45:33

was and then you put it online and

45:35

it's if you don't need to convince the

45:37

studio. if he gets like of this got

45:39

like ten million last and you're good. Well.

45:42

By. The way to get the jump to the

45:44

documentary. With that we're going to talk as a

45:46

Judge Jim Henson. Is

45:48

a made a documentary? But too

45:50

bad Jim Henson in the Muppets

45:52

And and but he and his

45:54

wife Jane were so much like

45:56

young content creators of today. Yes,

45:59

yes has. Learn the new

46:01

medium, The new saying the tech that was

46:03

interesting the them was T V which was

46:05

just brand new and he wasn't even interested

46:07

in puppets but he loved television wanna be

46:09

a part of it? He was that you

46:11

know he's living and in Washington and he

46:14

isn't would down there and just kind of

46:16

they look for they were looking for five

46:18

minutes puppet show to go with the news

46:20

I mean you know but they were just

46:22

experimenting with tv and he got in on

46:24

the experiment along with Jane ultimately became his

46:26

wife's but you he looks is crazy little

46:28

sick. second commercial they did and these little.

46:31

Five minute bits they did for for after

46:33

the news hour and it was so inventive

46:35

and and with all bets are off and

46:37

just kind of whatever you want to do

46:39

but they were doing it would get nurse

46:41

and thousand hours in and they were doing

46:44

what I wear a content creator does now

46:46

which is find your voice, see if anybody's

46:48

interested, figure out what they're interested in and

46:50

and you know and go for their own.

46:52

At that time there was there was really

46:54

no outlet like that. For

46:57

me I'm A. I literally was thinking about

46:59

going down to public access television and trying

47:01

to like do a show on public access

47:03

television to of getting the chance to direct.

47:06

A feature film. A sea

47:08

of entertainment was so much you said

47:10

it was closed. It was a very

47:12

insular world. Yes, There's. Three

47:14

Networks right? There's a couple studios

47:17

they make the stuff. They decide

47:19

who the people are and so

47:21

is very impossible to. Crack.

47:24

Into that bill, and especially if they have

47:26

a preconceived notion like i'm sorry you're the

47:28

guy Some Happy Days and your Ob Knighthood

47:31

about a chance to direct Happy Days episodes

47:33

in a contract renegotiation. but I said no

47:35

to that because I didn't want. Anybody

47:37

other than Juri Paris to direct it would

47:39

be not fair to the cast and the

47:41

other thing I thought was well what if

47:43

I with you know every once in a

47:45

there's an episode doesn't work and as if

47:47

I do well they see what's his show.

47:49

If I if I. If. I have

47:51

a off episode, then why can't even

47:54

directors on show and three camera not

47:56

what I wanted to do, but Roger

47:58

Corman was one of? You people who

48:00

was taking that kind of a risk and

48:03

I knew that about him. And

48:05

he wanted me to act in a movie called

48:07

eat my Dust and I read Eat My Dust

48:09

and I didn't much care for it. I

48:14

saw no off it are sitting next fact

48:16

that as as as much as you know

48:18

the oscar opportunities now but ah but but

48:20

I did have a script that I'd written

48:23

that was is kind of a slice of

48:25

life about a guy over stuck over college

48:27

break him you know and in hollywood and

48:29

I had some short films of supposed to

48:32

go in and have this meeting about about

48:34

eat my Dust Merkin. Graffiti been a big

48:36

hit had days was becoming an unborn show

48:38

and Roger wanted me to be in this

48:40

in this car crash comedy and our my

48:42

agent was gonna come with me to sit

48:44

with me to have this meeting and use

48:46

my agent for like on my whole childhood

48:48

and I and I remember. Saying.

48:51

You. Can't you can go in with me? As only

48:53

I was only twenty one, but I knew I was gonna

48:55

try to barter. And he didn't

48:58

care about that. I knew he didn't care about

49:00

that So I I, I just I remember the

49:02

look on his face. he was shattered. You know

49:04

I mean this good His client said no don't

49:07

go to the meetings so when in talk to

49:09

Roger I said i you know. I

49:11

don't love the eat my dust but what I

49:13

really want to do is direct. Here's.

49:16

A script. I think I've raised half the

49:18

money coming out of Australia Snow One hundred

49:20

and fifty thousand and I need another hundred

49:22

and fifty thousand and distribution. And if you

49:25

do that then I'll I'll happily be in

49:27

the by dust. He'd be reddit. he got

49:29

back to me. He. Looked at my

49:31

student films. And

49:33

he said does Well. That's a

49:35

character piece is very well written, but it's not

49:38

what I do he said does. Here's what. Here's

49:40

what I promise you. If

49:42

you if you act in Eat My Dust I'll

49:44

give you a chance to write a script. If

49:47

you write the script and I like it. And.

49:49

You're willing to be in it again. Then.

49:52

I'll let you direct that. Is that

49:54

sales? I'll. Let you direct them. You

49:56

know second union on something in the car crashes of

49:59

the fights or something. So. That

50:01

Okay, so you my big I leveraged my

50:03

way into a second unit job. Yes, a

50:05

professor of girl a great on the resume

50:07

but I took it. And

50:10

and an age when know

50:12

when, eat my dust succeeded.

50:15

Ah I went in and I pitch

50:17

so many different ideas, a side fi

50:19

saying and war saying you know I

50:21

just different kinds of projects and he

50:24

smiled and he said. He

50:26

said when we were testing he was

50:28

very erudite rises remember how you'd been

50:31

dead Caltech and news and engineering? You

50:33

know, in an engineer hard since when

50:35

we were testing titles. For. Eat

50:37

My dust! There was another titled

50:40

team in a very strong second.

50:42

Grand Theft Auto. The So far.

50:46

As you can fashion a car crash

50:48

comedy that we can correctly and title

50:50

run. First off. I'd

50:54

I'd probably make that six hours and my

50:56

dad and I cooked up an outline. we

50:58

rid of, wrote a script in a month.

51:00

It was the fastest greenlight I've had in

51:02

my entire career as a director Roger Corman

51:04

past I believe a week ago, week ago

51:06

yet or. And need to Ninety

51:08

eight Ninety Eight or Sharp. I talked to

51:11

him six months ago we I mean that

51:13

he went to see my but it is

51:15

Thirteen lives in went to a screening yet

51:17

the but you know he was so supportive

51:19

of of all the all all of his

51:21

graduates he does have remained. We must have

51:23

any and credibly proud of what you are

51:25

you know who are not all of it.

51:27

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51:29

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51:31

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No. I had this great treat yesterday

54:10

which is I'm told I get

54:12

to see an advance copy of

54:15

Idea Man and I have a

54:17

lot to mostly invest in this

54:19

film because I have my own

54:21

Jim Henson connection. I watched the

54:23

selloum. And it's fantastic. Outside

54:25

of, it's a fantastic documentary. There's so

54:27

many things I learned about Jim Henson

54:30

that I did not know Jim Henson.

54:32

I didn't realize his background growing up.

54:34

Ah, in this Christian Science clearance. His

54:36

mom's a christian Scientists his his mom's

54:39

agrees a Christian science a scientist. Yeah,

54:41

in and he wasn't formally to cede

54:43

right? Wasn't all that religious, but of

54:45

course Ill he would. He was raised

54:48

In In in the you know, in

54:50

in that environment. But to do was

54:52

create is who is he. Was he

54:54

was smart? any wanted to express himself

54:56

and one is his dad was bit

54:59

of a scientist like agricultural scientist and

55:01

so they would travel around to different

55:03

parts of the country. much a lot

55:05

of it in the south and dance

55:07

but but gym you know was looking

55:09

for that. Kind of a kind of

55:11

breakthrough but you it was a moment

55:13

of transformations and damn and he sees

55:15

that opportunities. But it's interesting that he

55:17

grabbed amount of grabbing you know an

55:19

ancient art form yes and elevating it's

55:21

worse. kid sitting around we were talking

55:23

about the. Andy Griffith show. A lot

55:25

of the character actors who would

55:28

come on that show would be

55:30

bitching and moaning because because radio

55:32

was dead or vaudeville had gone.

55:34

And yet we all know that.

55:36

Not those mediums didn't vanish. Ah you know

55:38

there there's in a vaudeville circuit per se.

55:41

but they're stand up their service allay. There's

55:43

the i mean a there is it. It's

55:45

that their the art forms are as as

55:47

well as relevant as ever. Ah and and

55:50

I think you're so right corner at me

55:52

I just think creative people figure out a

55:54

way they find a way and was passing

55:57

to me as so Jim Henson. Ah,

56:00

Is very interested in puppets, puppeteering.

56:02

Ah, And one of the things

56:05

that he wants to do early on as

56:07

and I hadn't thought of this before, but

56:09

it's in the your documentary. A lot of

56:11

puppeteering was done distant, kind of a wide

56:13

shot. Where. You see with the theater

56:16

will the A it was submitted it

56:18

with Kurt for sunni Armageddon curtains and

56:20

the characters rob bashing each other and

56:22

things are happening Profits: Jim Henson or

56:24

his wife Jane but they understand that

56:26

the Tv cameras has to be right

56:28

up against the puppet site muppets and

56:30

that see that you can see their

56:32

expressions and you can see in a

56:34

tear to deflate and was really passing

56:36

to me. As your looks at you

56:38

know you have access in a documented

56:41

all that early footage long before. It's

56:43

very sophisticated right is basically Kermit. But

56:45

they don't know, it's Kermit. Yeah, right as

56:47

rain, but the kind of a puckering of

56:49

the mouse. yet when there's a little bit

56:51

of uncertainty and the looking to the sigh

56:53

and and the maybe looking back to pretend

56:55

we're all that stuff is there and it's

56:57

are in close up and they're looking at

57:00

out but basically was at a tennis scope

57:02

like those bryce. The technology is very crude

57:04

right? but you can see oh my god

57:06

they're going at the monitor and sort of

57:08

seeing the where's the camera and where do

57:10

I fit in And yeah, and ah but

57:12

the timing on this stuff was just fantastic.

57:14

You know yes In and look we

57:16

interviewed of Frank Oz is as eat

57:19

out gave As if this the family

57:21

was great They made the archives available

57:23

but also they made themselves available and

57:25

really in a really significant way And

57:27

it's of their storytellers themselves and so

57:29

they you know they they they recognize

57:31

the need to share with they understood

57:33

about their parents, the know in her

57:35

in a dimensional way and N N

57:37

and so that was incredibly value. But

57:39

Frank was their side by side and

57:41

he gave so much to the movie

57:43

through his interview. In fact, stylistically,

57:45

you know, I tried to sort of

57:48

channel Jim Henson the on It and

57:50

that ascetic of a lot stop motion

57:52

lot, very kinetic cutting and now have

57:54

an amazing yeah yet i'm animations and

57:56

things like that and the idea of

57:59

sort of stem. First from me watching

58:01

a lot of gems experimental movies that had

58:03

nothing to do with puppets which I didn't

58:05

know about. by the way, I meet me

58:07

neither And they're cool, you know? And and

58:09

and in fact, they anticipate a lot of

58:11

what you're going. It'll eventually seen commercials or

58:13

even music videos, right? You know? I mean

58:15

they're can a hard day's night and stuff

58:17

like that. A of yeah. So Frank. We

58:19

did the interview and I just had this

58:21

idea. We did it in a queue because

58:23

one of his experimental tv show shows was

58:25

called the Cube as like a human beings

58:27

traps sort of just with himself and his

58:29

ideas. And thoughts. So we decided to have

58:32

the interview subjects be in a tube.

58:34

It also would allow us to use

58:36

those tubes. They're almost like televisions has

58:38

to keep putting a lot of visual

58:40

imagery and in there and keep telling

58:42

this story of as of Gym and

58:44

the Muppets. But we did. Frank's interview

58:46

was very moving, very informative, very funny.

58:48

And I said you know Frank mit what if we did

58:50

like what is your entrance into the set We were going

58:52

to have you just come and sit down but what if

58:54

we did it Stop motion. And. He course instantly

58:56

knew what to do the I would put

58:58

the camera up high We had a chair

59:00

can squiggly and it's it's it's it's a

59:02

dominant stop yelling He went in perfectly. One

59:04

take laid out all the steps and all

59:06

the beach so that we could do it

59:08

and it just established immediately for the editor,

59:10

you editors and myself it's you know we

59:13

we we were gonna we're gonna informed this

59:15

movie with this kind of the said it

59:17

will also says you are having fun yes

59:19

which is the essence of Jim Henson as

59:21

you know my connection to it was that

59:23

might pull Reason I'm in comedy is I

59:25

was always it's. Entirely in doing it for

59:27

my friends and though I decide I need

59:29

to be serious so I got was serious

59:31

college which turns out to have is very

59:33

old humor magazine in it has part as

59:35

as the web the Harvard Lampoon. I get

59:38

I'm Lampoon end in meet almost immediately the

59:40

person has put in charge of it. The

59:42

first woman to ever be put in charge

59:44

of it is Lisa Census. Oh than she's

59:46

my boss. I'm working for Lisa Henson and

59:48

then every now and then Jim Henson surround

59:50

and I'm losing my mind. I bet he

59:53

could not have been. A

59:55

sweeter, nicer man Sand. In

59:57

fact, Lisa graduates. I did.

1:00:00

Story Lampoon. And at

1:00:02

one point Jim Henson calls me and

1:00:04

says hey we just finished the Dark

1:00:06

Crystal and we have be strolls. That.

1:00:09

The Creature. Sit on an attorney present

1:00:11

on you guys. Want one for your

1:00:13

Lampoon building on line? Ah, You've never

1:00:15

heard me say yes and anything more

1:00:17

quickly. Ah, and so I said yes.

1:00:19

How do I make this happen? Census

1:00:21

as a kid and I'm like nineteen

1:00:24

and I'm going to do this or

1:00:26

henson. It's as far. As

1:00:29

funny as we just not into Jim

1:00:31

Henson, you're talking to Kermit Guide A

1:00:33

I'm from. It's such a thing. We

1:00:35

noticed in a van and come on down and. I

1:00:40

thought. That I have

1:00:42

a high end up the phone

1:00:44

we read a van and my

1:00:47

friend Mark Adam and ah and

1:00:49

end of my wins would jump

1:00:51

in his van or we thrive

1:00:53

down to Manhattan. And I'm not

1:00:55

provide a somewhat of. A

1:00:58

sudden it's like a Muppet movie. Or

1:01:01

much as a boy. Opening

1:01:04

day out. There.

1:01:06

And we get there. And sure enough,

1:01:08

there's. Like Snuff Love Vegas is hanging from

1:01:10

the ceiling and they say oh yeah, Here's

1:01:12

the chair it's made of. It's not that

1:01:14

heavy because it's made of a super light

1:01:17

material. We. We carry it like

1:01:19

a jew wall. And. We made me

1:01:21

I would it in the back so that in one

1:01:23

of those chairs that there is you know it's a

1:01:25

studio. Yeah and I I drove it all the way

1:01:27

back to Cambridge and we put it in the limping

1:01:30

building. So cut to the like. maybe nine months ago,

1:01:32

him in Cambridge and. A student comes

1:01:34

at me, says hey, by the way or Conan I'm

1:01:36

I'm on the lampooned. You want to combine it with

1:01:38

yes, I've been there in a long time. So I

1:01:40

go by and scares the chair gray I'll banned outright

1:01:43

Yes, I drank. A

1:01:45

I mean the puppets dry. It

1:01:48

was that way when we got it. Up Up

1:01:50

Up Up Up Up. But anyway, I will. Leases

1:01:52

Fantastic! She an amazing you know and right? So

1:01:54

as Bryant that aren't you know the whole family.

1:01:56

Very sound was it. but it's kind of a

1:01:58

tribute to them because. The reality is and

1:02:01

age When you see the film's we

1:02:03

let we deal with the family we

1:02:05

do. A German Jane had an amazing

1:02:07

very unique and very specific kind of

1:02:09

romance and relationship and working relationship and

1:02:11

the very thing that brought them together

1:02:13

was was of the birth of this

1:02:15

brainchild. The Muppets also was the thing

1:02:17

that ultimately kind of causes the the

1:02:19

the relationship to to Erode am in

1:02:21

there and the romance to be lost

1:02:23

and yet they they were still so

1:02:25

much love and respect for one another

1:02:27

and for creativity. And the kids are

1:02:29

great. And the kids love each

1:02:31

other and they appreciate the parents in

1:02:34

a very and in very honest you

1:02:36

know just clear eyed way. Ah and

1:02:38

they knew they couldn't make this documentary

1:02:40

themselves. You know their of their creative,

1:02:43

their producers and directors and so forth.

1:02:45

But but I felt so fortunate. That.

1:02:47

They would dumb that they would trust

1:02:49

me and I get very excited about

1:02:52

it when I went and nam you

1:02:54

know to their to the studio hear

1:02:56

the chaplain Hinson Studio Cs and saw

1:02:58

this archival stars because two things happen

1:03:01

on that day. One was. I.

1:03:03

Saw I saw those crazy could Tv commercials

1:03:05

and that early early stuff I saw the

1:03:07

experimental stuff. that's just weird and strange and

1:03:10

yet you can see more on guard. Very

1:03:12

avant garde. As a very cutting edge jury

1:03:14

heard of, it is time. Ah

1:03:16

but you could see if you know the

1:03:18

way that is influenced the mainstream self that

1:03:20

with is so beloved that we all appreciate.

1:03:24

And and yet. And I also got

1:03:26

to talk to the kids and I

1:03:28

recognize that there was this family story

1:03:30

to be told as well that would

1:03:32

be so ah related will because there's

1:03:34

a there's of course there's a cost

1:03:36

to that level of output. and if

1:03:38

you know and as a human is,

1:03:40

you know there's a human factor there.

1:03:42

and we're all the beneficiaries of all

1:03:45

that hard work. But we didn't see

1:03:47

all the things that he did. That.

1:03:49

Kind of miss fired then at the time

1:03:51

disappointed him including labyrinth which of course now

1:03:53

so is a classic. It was interesting is

1:03:56

that you go back and you look at

1:03:58

these moments in a lot of people forget

1:04:00

this but your document story brings it back.

1:04:02

I was a writer at Saturday Night Live

1:04:05

for couple years. then I'm doing the late

1:04:07

night show and art. Our study was on

1:04:09

the six for Senate last two years. on

1:04:11

the eighth floor but right down the sixth

1:04:14

floor. Not farts down. The sucks for there

1:04:16

was a little office because in the early

1:04:18

days of Snl the first season Jim Henson,

1:04:20

Frank Oz they're doing right. The Muppets are

1:04:23

part of Snl and they had a little

1:04:25

office and they'd they'd drew all of these

1:04:27

characters on these pipes strength. and now of

1:04:29

course. It's been. Put. Behind glass

1:04:32

and preserved. But in my

1:04:34

day you could just go by and there's

1:04:36

some pipes there and they're just covered with

1:04:38

that throwing an amazing like trying to wipe

1:04:40

a mosque in out of I like when

1:04:42

hi. My

1:04:45

way. I couldn't get a lot of

1:04:47

snow. Price for that was a misstep

1:04:49

for that morass. It gets that dead

1:04:51

Canada didn't that? Then we're whatever thing

1:04:53

is that all the cutting edge, cool

1:04:56

sardonic. You know Michael of Donny Hughes.

1:04:58

Ah, you know wise Ass is at

1:05:00

first season Snl were like these puppets

1:05:02

where the is puppets. Are Here! I

1:05:04

hate these puppets and so it was

1:05:06

very. You can tell of the

1:05:08

documentary crushing digits to Jim Henson and then

1:05:11

he spirals off from that and creates the

1:05:13

Muppet Show. Yeah, but I'd been. so he'd

1:05:15

been trying to sell Muppet Show for years

1:05:17

and a failing and the all the Networks

1:05:19

turned it down twice. Ah, there's a hilarious

1:05:21

pitch sort of video that they died that

1:05:23

is using the Muppets to sell the idea.

1:05:26

I am going completely over the top and

1:05:28

it's gyms Voice down, it's just it's just

1:05:30

it's just brilliant you. It's so interesting is

1:05:32

just as you know where you you got

1:05:34

to really know I'm I met him only

1:05:36

once by so shy. And retiring in

1:05:38

person. you know I'm just kind of and

1:05:41

and use you think of them. As.

1:05:43

A performer. but but not not with

1:05:45

a microphone. not not with a camera

1:05:47

on. His face is through the puppets.

1:05:49

Yeah, we're talking about Indian Dawn. Bright

1:05:52

eyed it became so clear. not even

1:05:54

so much from the interview with Frank

1:05:56

Oz because he was very modest about

1:05:58

his contribution. Spurs. The i began don't

1:06:01

recognize and look at these videos were

1:06:03

a comedy team They were yes not

1:06:05

Bert and Ernie but yeah, but the

1:06:07

Enormous Piggy there are A and and

1:06:09

Kermit. There's a great bit in there

1:06:11

with Fonzie and and com and this

1:06:14

is timing. I mean it's like it's

1:06:16

precision comedy timing and they just nailed

1:06:18

these bits was think that's the thing

1:06:20

is good comedies, good comedy. So if

1:06:22

you're making it for kids on Pbs

1:06:24

where you're making it, you know, for

1:06:26

adults, good timing is good timing right

1:06:29

way. I mean. I. I always got

1:06:31

my timing from early on from Warner Brothers

1:06:33

cartoons because young they were shown his shorts

1:06:35

in theaters. To adults, they weren't condescending. Fry

1:06:38

to the timing was pretty perfect on the

1:06:40

South. And then I think the same thing

1:06:42

with when you look at a really good

1:06:44

Sesame Street bet it's just good. Yeah, there's

1:06:47

no condescension of wow this is funny for

1:06:49

Kit, but I didn't realize how many of

1:06:51

those bits that gym directed. I I, I

1:06:53

just thought he, you know, he brought them

1:06:56

up, Its and performed. And they did this and

1:06:58

I didn't realize. That all those bits these to

1:07:00

catch my attention when for your old Bryce

1:07:02

was watching them yes without counting bits and

1:07:04

is great yeah experimental. think that would make

1:07:07

meek sit down and watch the show and

1:07:09

kind of admire what was going on there

1:07:11

in Nz. It a little bits and an

1:07:13

hour later I realized will that that was

1:07:15

one of the of one the reasons Gym

1:07:17

did it as he never wanted kids programming

1:07:19

but they said you know bring the Muppets

1:07:22

but will also at you do your experimental

1:07:24

films but how about doing him for kids

1:07:26

so that I can learn and up And

1:07:28

he had. I had a son with severe

1:07:30

I'm learning disability, so that was something that

1:07:32

he was new, clued into and thus he

1:07:35

was us. Would you say that the reason

1:07:37

it really worked at every level was that

1:07:39

he was really a satirist, right? Oh, definitely.

1:07:41

I mean always there. What's interesting is that

1:07:43

the early way that he made money was

1:07:46

by making television commercial, right? So there are

1:07:48

these mother commercials that and have you seen

1:07:50

them but they're in black and white and

1:07:52

it's before anyone knew they were the Muppets.

1:07:54

But it's You can tell us the same

1:07:57

kind of almost the same time together. To

1:07:59

teletypes. But you're doing like Hormel

1:08:01

Ham commercial. This ride a bike. They're

1:08:03

very. And they had they pay less like

1:08:05

seven seconds long. But. Because the

1:08:07

seven seconds long. They're. Very metal.

1:08:10

Rods are varied today. Sense of

1:08:12

comedy? Yeah, they're not. Via.

1:08:14

Hormel him. And there's a

1:08:16

they're they're They're very weird and very

1:08:18

funny by today's standards and must have

1:08:20

looked like very strange at the guy

1:08:23

and yet really popular. Yeah no. so

1:08:25

they really really broke through a minute

1:08:27

we're doing some kind of have been

1:08:29

there is almost always an explosion or

1:08:31

guns from Austin or mouse him to

1:08:33

rattle somehow. no way to assume they're

1:08:35

selling other pretty much selling Las Vegas

1:08:37

for doing ads. The way we as

1:08:39

part of the podcast we do ads

1:08:42

and I always do them in my

1:08:44

sensibility my way and then afterwards. Think

1:08:46

that once in a piece of advice and they

1:08:48

do and you can leave. this and I don't

1:08:50

think they should. Have a

1:08:52

buffet. Young adults as gonna take that out

1:08:54

to sea by. Ah. By

1:08:57

some because they see the value of we

1:09:00

signed up it be like that people listen

1:09:02

to the ads out and and know yeah

1:09:04

I mean they were. Look they were emotional

1:09:06

without being sentimental, doesn't always had a point

1:09:09

of view and and always had something to

1:09:11

say it. You know in and around that

1:09:13

the the dizziness badly but the Muppet. Show

1:09:16

you know I didn't think about and I

1:09:18

live. I loved watching them ebb and in.

1:09:20

watch him in a religiously but man I'm

1:09:22

I'm what I watch. him now is the

1:09:24

only knows Episodes hold ups. Or didn't realize

1:09:26

that he was was basically. Taking the the

1:09:28

English dance hall was sort of on almost

1:09:30

like vaudeville, the aversion and applying that to

1:09:33

the shows you want to get. he was

1:09:35

making them in England. Yeah, so it's sort

1:09:37

of. Once again, was old is new yet

1:09:39

when put through this selter you mentioned earlier,

1:09:41

I knew gym well and I can't say

1:09:44

I did. I met him on a few

1:09:46

occasions and he was really nice and he

1:09:48

actually suggested. He had some that so

1:09:50

that probably never wins and it was towards the

1:09:52

end of his life. But. Suggested.

1:09:54

That I just people robbers like that.

1:09:56

Totems got like a lot personal. This

1:09:59

Athena dispiriting anybody got another as a

1:10:01

farm and and Jim Henson suggested that

1:10:03

I auditioned for something for one of

1:10:05

his shows and the other end. I

1:10:07

remember they sent over as told us

1:10:09

but the sense essential for sides that

1:10:11

had two actors and two characters. I

1:10:13

didn't know which one he wanted me

1:10:15

to audition for price so I I

1:10:17

showed up at the and and said

1:10:19

to the woman who was running the

1:10:22

addition it says saw Steve and met

1:10:24

and I don't know which is which

1:10:26

and she said oh here's the character

1:10:28

breakdowns and she headed me. Stephen

1:10:30

it said women want to be

1:10:32

with him and want to be

1:10:34

him he loses sexuality server and

1:10:36

I was just like deflating and

1:10:38

then I said i said can

1:10:40

I see the one from it's

1:10:42

and see him and he met she

1:10:44

was like this ganglia do see

1:10:46

the Red Sox blue and ah

1:10:48

don't know this way through life as

1:10:51

I'm a people like him despite

1:10:53

his many lives and his sexuality

1:10:55

and I went i say com

1:10:57

effect. Arms.

1:11:00

And oh it's it's so lovely tribute and

1:11:03

one of the things that really got to

1:11:05

me is because of my connection when Jim

1:11:07

past very suddenly in nineteen ninety and it

1:11:09

was such a shock to as it was

1:11:12

just out of nowhere He gets sixty three

1:11:14

years old, Fifty three years old. I was

1:11:16

invited to that memorial and to this day

1:11:18

it's the greatest sendoff I've seen anybody has

1:11:21

because it's a funeral. it's of funeral mass.

1:11:23

It's a memorial. and it started with i

1:11:25

guess a letter from gym that he had

1:11:28

written which is it was you're swinging. Is

1:11:30

that must mean I'm gone right? And he

1:11:32

just decided to write this in case he

1:11:34

ever passed suddenly and he dead said it

1:11:37

was so lovely and then all the characters

1:11:39

come out and were all laughing and crying

1:11:41

at the same time. So you so footage

1:11:43

of the moral service and I was there

1:11:46

now and I see to this day have

1:11:48

thought that that's what everyone should be like.

1:11:50

I can't speak as we're not all Jim

1:11:52

Henson you know by the that's what it

1:11:55

should be. It's really should be a celebration

1:11:57

while it is It clearly A clearly was

1:11:59

and. The you know his son Brian read

1:12:01

that letter and yeah we have a bit

1:12:04

of that in the Am. I knew I'd

1:12:06

say it was A it was the you

1:12:08

know tremendous tribute and more and and moments.

1:12:10

But damn T so loved. Yeah I mean

1:12:13

everybody we interviewed it was the in it

1:12:15

was. It was actually great to make a

1:12:17

film that I saw. It was interesting, could

1:12:19

be revealing and actually just doesn't have a

1:12:21

dark side. I mean it's just that he's

1:12:24

the literally was just a guy who lived

1:12:26

in a positive light in have struggled ups

1:12:28

and downs difficulties on a personal. Side with

1:12:30

in in in the relationship sure and

1:12:33

yet said such a great event that

1:12:35

you know example yeah I tell you

1:12:37

navigate that to yell at me when

1:12:39

nzz but when you struggle that defines

1:12:42

the man or the woman and in

1:12:44

a you look at both Yemen Jane

1:12:46

here and you any sort of say

1:12:48

well that's you know we We wish

1:12:51

we could do that. The documentary is

1:12:53

a time it's I would recommend a

1:12:55

just just watch it because you will

1:12:57

laugh very hard. But it's also informative.

1:13:00

About so much more you have the

1:13:02

right guy to make this as I

1:13:04

think sisters you has to in every

1:13:06

single decade of your life considered good

1:13:08

stuff you know and I think that's

1:13:10

can say that that is really remarkable.

1:13:12

Know and I? I'm I'm so glad

1:13:14

that you're fear of somebody know you

1:13:16

I'm so glad you what? you saw

1:13:18

your arm off. A

1:13:21

thirty years ago and arm and we're

1:13:23

still added we have no idea was

1:13:25

to a lack of now I said

1:13:28

that his leg on the way. That

1:13:31

left one Looks like a good job. Anyway,

1:13:34

I'm. Next. Sure a

1:13:36

Jim Henson idea. Man it

1:13:38

is just. It's. A

1:13:40

gift. And and make sure that you check

1:13:42

it out and Ron Howard your gifts! I so much

1:13:44

of a new area to be and let's get together,

1:13:47

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1:13:49

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