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Cool Zone Media, Hello,

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and welcome to Cool People. Did cool stuff you

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were twice weekly reminder that

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sometimes amongst all the bad things, there's

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people who try to do the good things

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and sometimes even succeeded.

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The good things. I love the good things.

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I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my

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guest today is Robert Evans.

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Hi, Robert, I am Hi. How

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are you, Margaret?

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I'm okay. Everyone's

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having a week, but I'm great.

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I recreated climate

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change in minimum in it like a

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smaller version in my bedroom this week,

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because I kept feeling as I

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was sitting down on one corner of my waterbed that

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I was probably shouldn't be sitting down on that

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one corner all the time when I got into

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bed, because it was putting strain on it. And

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sure enough, I created a pinhole leak in my

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water bed. Oh did you?

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Oh?

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So in a way, yeah,

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I recreated all of the mistakes that have led

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us as a species to the current point

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that we're in.

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And so there's rising waters, but it's the

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on the floor of your well.

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Thankfully, the whole waterbed is

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inside this big plastic container

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thing, so I can contain

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it. I've got a patch kit. I'm going to patch it, and

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then I'm going to use a wetback to soak up

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the water that's spilled out, so

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we should be good, which is like the equivalent

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of cloud seating. I guess

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Roberto god

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Lord, yes, no,

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just no.

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Robert's trying to live the dream of the seventies

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and eighties.

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Always. He always does

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this.

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And when he told me this story

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this morning, I

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made this face magpie and I went,

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well.

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The other things that Robert does besides

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recreate global warming is yeah, a podcast

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called Behind the Bastards, which

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is sort of an inverse cool people show.

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Yeah, mine came first, but you know it's

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fine, Yes, and

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Robert usually I surprise guests about

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what this is about. But I think you know what this one's going

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to be about, because I probably told you m

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It's about the sex pistols and the

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anarchy in the

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UK. Yeah, r ai

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n e.

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Never mind the Ballocks,

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never mind the Balkans. That's

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that bad.

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Wait, we're not talking about sex pistols.

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We're not talking Okay, we're not, so I don't okay,

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Well, I know only one thing

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about the sex pistols, but it's all of the lyrics

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to Forget in the Riggin, which I can recite at

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will anytime you need.

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I would suspect, without doing a

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deeper dive, that if we were to do this era,

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I would cover the clash and you would cover

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the sex pistols.

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I like the clash much better than the sex

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pistols. But Frigging in the Riggin is a fine

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song.

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I don't know that song.

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I only know it was on the Good

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Ship Venus by christ. You should have seen us.

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I can't, actually shouldn't read the lyrics

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to that song because it's going to get me canceled. It

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doesn't work as well if it's not a pirate shand.

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We'll pretend that it's because of copyright reason.

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Yeah, that's why read

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the lyrics to Friggin and the Riggin and tell

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me I wouldn't be canceled

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for reading those out on air.

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I've always liked. My favorite punk lyrics

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is I think it's the exploited sex and

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violence. Do you know this song?

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No?

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I think the only lyrics are sex

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and violence, sex and violence,

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sex and violence, sex and

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violence, and then it continues

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from there. It's a good song. You

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can replace it with bread and hummus, if you're feeling

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very positive.

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Sure, sure, I feel like that's

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kind of the negative version of

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the much deeper clash

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song death or Glory.

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Yeah that's true. Yeah,

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well, actually we're going to talk about

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some death or glory today, okay.

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Story.

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Yeah, I wouldn't put it by asked them to have straight

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up used that as a slogan the kind of folks we're

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going to talk about, Okay, because today

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we're going to talk about that time that millions

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of people in southern Ukraine lived a horizontally

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organized society with equal distribution of

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access to land and resources and an equal

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saying governance during the Russian Civil

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War of nineteen seventeen to nineteen twenty

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one. And I'm coming out with the positive

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framing about like all the like communal

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land projects and them all sharing most

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of what this period is famous for. Is

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death really just the violence

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part of sex and fundos?

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Yes, yes, lutily everyone

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dead, yes.

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Including today's hero, although

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once again I'm going to remind everyone that almost

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everyone who was alive during that point is now

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dead anyway, so that part was going to

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happen no matter what. But today

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we are going to talk about the one of the

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women military commanders during

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this period, and Adamanshah,

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which is the well, we'll talk about that more

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later, but you know a word for a

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woman military leader. She

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went from a self described anarchist terrorist

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to becoming an art student and a French soldier

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in World War One to an elected

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commander of hundreds or thousands

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of fighters at war with the Nationalists,

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the Germans and the Bolsheviks.

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She lived on as a legend after her execution,

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only to have her history buried.

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And honestly, her history is probably buried

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because of her gender. Yeah,

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today we are talking about the legendary

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Maria Nikki Farova, known

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also as Marusia,

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and that's what her friends called her, and that's

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what everyone else called her. And she's

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Adamancha to history if she exists

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at all.

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That's such a cool name.

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I know.

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The more famous figure in all of

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this history is a man named Nestr Makno.

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And when I first wrote the script, I was expecting

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to use a different guest. So at this point and I would reference

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people to go listen to Robert

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Evans disgusting nest

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Bakna. So if you like the obscure

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podcast Behind the Bastards. You might be familiar

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with him as the star of one of your reverse

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episodes.

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Yeah Yeah, are one of our annual

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Christmas episodes where we do with this show.

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Does Yeah, which

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I totally wasn't inspired by what I know.

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I think everyone knows that I'm making a joke. This

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show exists because of the Christmas reverse episodes.

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Nestor Makha is also going to be woven into

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today's story, but there's a really

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good telling of it that people can go here.

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He absolutely earned and deserved his central

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role in the story of Ukrainian history. Best

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as I can tell, Marusia

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stood like an angel in black

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on his shoulder, just telling

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him of his duties to the people and

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the importance of well,

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to quote the title of probably

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the best book that exists about her, the

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importance of the revolution without delay,

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because whenever anyone

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else was doubting, including Nester mackno

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people, every now and then we're like, you know, our

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lives might be easier if instead of immediately

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robbing the rich, we don't immediately rob the

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rich. And then there's Mary

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Usia standing behind you, possibly

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with a machine gun, saying no,

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we are going to take all of their money away by

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whatever means we want to. And

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first I'm going to

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talk some shit on some historians. I'm not

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going to do it by name.

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Oh okay, clever.

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There is a pattern I have noticed, and we're gonna use

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MARIUSI as an example. But there's a pattern

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where women are left out of

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history, and I've never.

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Heard of that.

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I know, well, there weren't any women in history

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or be left out?

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Yeah yeah, yeah, that was that was my understanding.

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Yeah, you mean you could put a little footnote like someone probably

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did the washing, like I don't know. I

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mean, otherwise it would have been all dirty and sad,

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all the boys who did all.

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Of this stuff. Yeah, they had to have

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done the laundry. Otherwise, how could the

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pants be clean? Sure, yeah, exactly. It's

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going to make someone unhappy.

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Ukrainian nationalist historians

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don't write about her because she wasn't a

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nationalist. Bolshevik historians

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don't write about her much because

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she wasn't a Bolshevik.

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Sometimes, not the Bolshevik historians,

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but the Bolsheviks who lived at the time

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did write a lot about her because there was no

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escaping her at the time, and

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mostly the Bolsheviks writing

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about her wrote to argue about whether or not

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she was hot and

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whether or not it was fair to

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just call her a bandit. Most of them

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wrote that she was very ugly and mannish

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and probably intersects. They did not use that

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word. They used the word hermaphrodite, and

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other ones were like, no, she's hot, and

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that's what's important to the Bolsheviks

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writing about.

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Cool.

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Yeah, the anarchists who fought alongside

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her wrote about her because

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she was a big important part of everything, and

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anarchist historians currently write

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about her. The shit I'm about to

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talk is, at the entire middle

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of the twentieth century, all of the people who

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were like the anarchist historians

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who did the work of recording the

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sort of forgotten history that was destroyed

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by the Bolsheviks and the West, did

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not write about her. And I wonder how

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many other women were left out of

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their history. And the

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historians of the makhnov China,

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which is the name of the Makno country,

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Yeah, didn't write

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about her. The participants in

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it wrote about her because

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they were all kind of terrified. Ever, yeah,

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and you know, it's

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gender. The Golden era anarchists

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of like, this earlier period absolutely

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had lots of women leaders. They were active feminists

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in many ways, not all of them, right, but way

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better than people would.

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Assume more of them. Yeah.

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Yeah, and the modern anarchists

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often the same way, and the generation that wrote

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in all the histories did not so much. And

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that's my shit talk to open up the episode.

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Have you heard much about her before?

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No other than that, you know,

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when I did the Makno episodes, people

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pointed out rightfully that I didn't

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talk about her enough and pointed

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me to some sources where it was like, oh shit, No,

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I definitely did not, because she probably wasn't

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in the books that you read. No, No, I

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don't like it. I don't. I want

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to think she wasn't in the books that I read, because

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otherwise I like deleted

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her myself. Yeah, and

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I hope I wouldn't do that, But I also can't

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say I haven't reread the book since then,

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right, So I'm gonna hopefully

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lean towards it was the fuck The

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historians that I picked also kind

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of zeroed her out of the history

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rather than I did it myself.

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But it's not impossible that I did it myself.

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Well, in most of the things

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that I have read about Maknow, and I haven't

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read a ton of books about Manknomm. I've

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read more books about while there's

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a book and a half about Marie Niki Farova in

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English, sure, but a lot

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of the books about Macknow, if

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they mention her, it's a little bit

11:28

like prowaway lines and a

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paragraph here or there. And it's our job

11:33

as pop historians, you

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knows, as entertainers to

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delete the characters

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that are so minor that throwing them

11:42

at the audience just confuses things.

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Yeah, you know, Yeah, I just watched the Jerry

11:46

Seinfeld pop Tart movie and it's

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the King of that.

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Where they just don't bother including people's names.

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No, where they just introduce little minor

11:55

characters that seem like they're going to go somewhere

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and then they go nowhere. Yeah, it's

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it's like the best at that in a

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baffling way.

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Yeah, It's like something that I learned from

12:05

fiction is that if if a character

12:08

is not coming back, I don't give them a name

12:10

unless the name is specifically interesting

12:12

or a point of the thing, because

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I don't I don't want to do that to the reader.

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And I do that a little bit as

12:18

a pop historian telling these stories.

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A history book will need

12:24

to include all the names and all

12:26

the things so that you can do the cross referencing,

12:28

you know. Yeah, so it's completely

12:30

possible that, like, if

12:33

she's mentioned, and then a

12:35

lot of stories about Makno,

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Mackno is good. Okay, this is the thing. I'm

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sorry everyone who doesn't yet know who Maknow is. We'll

12:43

get to that. Makno

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is presented as good anarchist. He

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is the one who's like, rob the

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rich, but give them back some cows, you

12:52

know, And

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Marusia is generally presented

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as the like kill the rich side of it. And

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I can't tell how

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much that is

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bias coming from different writers, and

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it frustrates me, but

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I'll say I'll go through. I'm gonna tell this story

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with what I know, which is

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not as much in lots of contradictory things,

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but still one of the coolest

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stories I've ever heard.

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Maria Niki Farova, who goes by the nickname.

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The nickname for Maria is Marusia,

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was born in eighteen eighty five or

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eighteen eighty seven in a

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southeastern Ukrainian city then called

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Alexandrovisk, which is now

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called Zeppr of Zuzia, and

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there's an awful lot of murkiness to her history.

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Anarchists and Ukraine have recently on earthed

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some of her journals as best as I understand, like in

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the past couple years, and

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this sheds some of the some light on

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the missing years of her life. But

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they're scantly available in English.

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And for some odd reason. I

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don't know if you knew this, Robert, but apparently

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something's going on in Ukraine where everyone's

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busy.

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Yeah, yeah, it's a

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mystery. But a lot of phone

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calls going unreturned right now.

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Yeah, I think they're all just, you

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know, just too good for us and just hanging out.

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With their long week something. Yeah.

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Yeah. And so again

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I'm working with what I have. I'm hoping that

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in the next couple of years, far

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more important things will happen in Ukraine

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that make them all safe and happy and able to spend their

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time translating these texts. Some

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said that her dad was a Russian

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officer. One historian points

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out that she probably wouldn't have had to leave

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home at sixteen broke if her father had been

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an officer. I would

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suggest that that was a male historian. And

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I know a lot of people who had to

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leave home at sixteen without

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support from their family. But

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it's over. The

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only conjecture anyone has ever made is

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Russian officer dad, and that is

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generally thought

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not to be true, but it's literally the only

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story anyone's I've ever offering. Yeah,

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she did leave home at sixteen, and

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she started working. First she was a

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nanny, then she was a shop clerk, and then she

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was a bottle washer in a vodka distillery.

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And I'm impressed about how Russian

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that job is.

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Look, I'm not an expert on how vodka distilleries

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work, but doesn't

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vodka sterilize? Like, why would

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you need to wash the bottles in a vodka

15:36

factory? Does not the vodka wash the

15:38

bottles in the vodka factory. I'm wondering

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if this is a fake job, is what I'm saying. I don't mean to

15:42

be critical of this woman's career, but it doesn't

15:45

seem necessary to wash the bottles in the vodka

15:47

factory.

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Like she's doing something else there, you know,

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That's what they're saying. Yeah, Yeah, is there something? Is

15:52

there something?

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Else going on, because that seems that's like

15:55

a fake job, you would invent that.

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It's like, she.

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Was at this bottle factory because later she's going to

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rob the hell out of it. But

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what about that factory?

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Okay, it's an open question.

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Yeah, okay, at

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this last job, probably she

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met the anarchist communists

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and you know, instead of the

16:20

whole their whole difference from the other socialists

16:22

and communists at the time is there they

16:24

didn't want to have a revolution to empower

16:26

the rich so that they could then have a revolution to empower

16:29

the poor, which is what the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks

16:31

were proposing at that time. You know, the social

16:34

democrats were proposing. Instead,

16:37

they were like, well, let's cut straight to it. And

16:39

she's like sixteen or you know, in her

16:41

early teen or mid teens, and she's

16:43

like, yeah, I'm in They're

16:47

like, all right, well, let's establish a federation of

16:49

free communes by way of armed insurrection.

16:51

And she's like, I'm always saying this, I'm

16:53

I know, it's.

16:54

It's what you're always saying, always be

16:57

establishing a federation of freaking communes by

16:59

way of Armadencer m m. Nineteen

17:03

oh three was a little bit early for

17:05

them to pull that off in Russia.

17:06

See that is that is going to be a bad

17:09

time to do any kind of armed insurrection in Russia.

17:12

Yeah, now there's

17:15

times where you can get like better

17:17

leeway. There's never a time where it's like good

17:19

fun and a way to live a long and happy life.

17:24

But they did get there eventually

17:26

for a short moment, and that's going

17:28

to be the thing we'll eventually get to. There

17:31

were anarchists all over the Russian Empire during the revolutionary

17:34

period of like nineteen oh three to nineteen

17:36

oh seven. Nineteen oh one to like nineteen

17:38

oh five is when all the ideological groups like really

17:41

start organizing, and then nineteen oh five is this

17:43

big revolution that happens that like

17:45

almost happens. And we

17:47

did a whole six parter about this very recently

17:50

if you want to know more about it. But we

17:52

talked, for example on that episode about the

17:54

Black Banner movement that came out

17:56

of Poland and then spread to Ukraine. It

17:59

came out of the pale of settlement where

18:01

Jews were allowed to live, and this was an

18:03

anarcho communist movement that was incredibly

18:05

well organized and numerous and

18:09

in Ukraine, not necessarily under the name Black

18:12

Banner. There were about ninety anarchist

18:14

communist groups in Ukraine trying to pull off this

18:16

whole free Communes by

18:18

way of armed insurrection thing, about ten

18:21

thousand active members and a much broader

18:23

base of support outside that. So you see

18:25

why they were like, oh, we might

18:27

be able to pull this off, right, because

18:29

once you know ten thousand people who believe a thing,

18:32

you think everyone believes that thing.

18:33

Yeah, yeah, because it's very hard. Very few

18:36

people have ever known more than ten thousand other

18:38

people.

18:38

Yeah, I mean to go

18:40

in the opposite, like, this is how the January sixth

18:43

thing I think happened is that they all thought everyone

18:45

believes the stuff that they believe.

18:47

Yeah, And this is also how you get the like why

18:49

is ex policy happening? Everyone believes

18:52

why? And it's like, well, no, a lot of

18:54

ten thousand people liked your posts saying

18:56

why. But there's a lot of people who have Maybe

18:58

it's a stupid all turn it view, maybe it's

19:01

terrible, but right, there's

19:03

a lot more people in the country slash world.

19:05

Right, which is why on this show

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Ah, and we hope you enjoyed

20:21

that rendition of John Cage's

20:23

four thirty three

20:28

One day. I might do a John Cage episode.

20:31

He was an anarchist anyway, whatever, So

20:34

these folks, they're trying their

20:36

best to have themselves a revolution, and

20:38

it famously did not succeed, but they

20:40

famously tried really really hard.

20:42

They sure did.

20:44

One of the strategies at the time they called

20:46

economic terror, which makes it sound

20:48

like it should be like extra scary boycotts,

20:50

you know, like we're going to terrorize your economy,

20:53

but it actually meant kill

20:55

landlords and bosses, rob the rich, burn down

20:57

their mansions, and they

20:59

really put their backs into it. To

21:02

quote the t Czarists Minister of

21:04

the Interior. Between the years

21:06

of nineteen oh six and nineteen oh eight, anarchists

21:09

as well as other factions like the Socialist Revolutionaries

21:12

were responsible for quote twenty

21:15

six thousand, two hundred and sixty eight attacks,

21:18

six thousand, ninety one functionaries

21:20

and private citizens killed, more than

21:22

six thousand wounded and more than five

21:24

million rubles estimatedly about two

21:26

million euros by one modern book I read.

21:29

That actually doesn't sound that sounds like a lot less than

21:31

the other numbers people

21:33

killed. Sounds like that, Wow, that's a lot of people killed.

21:36

Two million rubles, sounds like, oh see,

21:38

you guys like upset a coke bottling plant for

21:40

forty five minutes.

21:41

Yeah, yeah, well this is robbed at gunpoint

21:44

from state car.

21:44

Yeah, okay, yeah, I mean yeah, that's a lot. I'm not.

21:47

I've never robbed a million dollars

21:49

at state gunpoints, so I'm not trying to shit

21:51

on them. I'm just saying, oh, no, other numbers sound

21:53

much bigger. Yeah, because twenty six

21:56

thousand attacks. In my mind,

21:58

I have seen enough movies out

22:00

crime to assume that you're not getting a

22:02

million bucks.

22:03

It's not worth it, you know.

22:05

I have to assume even if even

22:07

their attempt to like calculate for the change

22:10

and what money is worth hasn't quite gotten

22:12

it accurately, because like there was like twelve million

22:14

dollars total on the planet at that time.

22:16

Yeah, total.

22:17

That's where I'm I'm I'm parsing it out.

22:20

Yeah.

22:20

No.

22:20

And my least favorite thing, it's

22:22

like bad enough to take like old timey

22:24

dollars to modern dollars, but like

22:28

types of money that may or may not exist

22:30

anymore to modern dollars

22:32

is it's it's just fictitious

22:34

numbers at that point, whereas like what a life

22:36

is is, you know,

22:39

roughly stays the same.

22:41

Yeah. Yeah, And six thousand people is a lot

22:43

to shoot.

22:44

Yeah, And this is from someone

22:46

who had every incentive to downplay

22:48

the numbers because he didn't want to scare off

22:50

foreign investment. Right among

22:54

these ten thousand or so brave

22:57

economic terrorists was our hero Marusia

23:00

Nikki Farova. As

23:03

the revolution of nineteen oh five started to pick up,

23:05

anarchists moved from the economic terror

23:07

to what they call motiveless terror. And

23:09

this basically meant like, instead

23:12

of like, fuck that following

23:14

specific rich person for that following specific

23:17

reason. Yeah, it was a little

23:19

bit more of a broad fuck the rich. And

23:22

this seething hatred of the rich didn't

23:24

come from nowhere. Many

23:26

of the anarchists their parents had

23:28

been you know, fucking

23:31

owned. Yeah, because

23:33

serfdom was abolished in eighteen sixty

23:35

one, so forty

23:38

years earlier, your family

23:40

had been owned. I feel like that

23:43

changes your perspective on what

23:47

you think of class relations. Many

23:50

of them were still working for their former owners,

23:53

and the regime was violently repressing the revolution

23:56

in the name of the rich. So the revolution was

23:58

like, well, we will repress the rich.

23:59

Right now, the.

24:01

Anarchists are robbing banks and robbing the rich

24:03

in their houses, they're setting up print shops to spread

24:05

propaganda, and they're building literal

24:07

bomb factories. We talked about this last time,

24:09

but it's a fun fact, So I want to reiterate it.

24:12

During the pogroms by the right wing during the Revolution,

24:15

the anarchist neighborhood of Biali Stock in

24:17

what's now Poland was the one place in

24:19

that area that the right wing

24:22

dared not go and they couldn't go

24:24

harass the Jews there because most

24:27

of those Jews were anarchists and they had

24:29

bomb factories, and it's very hard

24:31

to mess with a neighborhood that does

24:34

that.

24:35

Yeah, the bomb factory neighborhood

24:37

is probably not where you want to start shit.

24:40

No, although I mean, on the other hand,

24:42

it sounds kind of explosive. It sounds like flammable.

24:45

Yeah, I mean, it's one of those it's

24:47

that you know, that version of the don't tread

24:49

on Me flag. It's just a snake wrapped around the

24:51

hand grenade that says fuck with me and I'll kill us

24:53

all. You know. It's that. It's

24:55

the it's the same thing as like sticking a

24:57

fucking propane tank on the side of your bicycle

25:00

and being like, hit meet cars. What do you want to

25:02

do in a way it's

25:04

respectable. That is

25:06

in that is two paragraphs from

25:08

now that is going to happen. Okay, good

25:12

Marosia and Nikki Farova. She's like roughly twenty

25:14

at this point, right, depending on when she was born,

25:16

which Matthew, you believe in, and

25:19

she is all in on this shit. She helped

25:21

bomb a train full of rich people, which didn't actually

25:23

hurt anyone, but it scared the shit out of everyone.

25:26

Well, good, that sounds non problematic.

25:29

Yeah, I know. It's non violent bombing

25:31

of non violent terror

25:33

bombing.

25:34

Yeah. Yeah, it might have been an unsuccessful

25:36

that might have been.

25:37

It's probably more accurate.

25:39

She bombed one factory owner and turned

25:42

him from a person into a ghost. Then

25:44

she bombed the commercial offices

25:46

of another factory, killing

25:48

the manager and a security guard before

25:50

robbing seventeen thousand rubles, which

25:53

this time got mathed to fourteen thousand

25:55

dollars. Who knows.

25:57

Again, everything sounds impressive except

25:59

for the money, he know, it

26:01

seem like, Yeah, she killed a nine to eleven's

26:04

worth of people and blew up a city block.

26:06

And also she did forty

26:08

six dollars in damage to the local seven

26:10

eleven.

26:11

Yeah, and she walked away with a

26:14

cool crisp twenty yea. This

26:20

last one, the different problem

26:22

happened. When I say that they robbed

26:24

a seventeen thousand rubles, they did not get

26:26

away with seventeen thousand rubles, because they did

26:28

not get away at all. Soon the cops

26:31

show up and she's surrounded, and she's

26:33

like, fuck this. I saw that movie Aliens,

26:35

and I'm just gonna grip this grenade and take out

26:37

a bunch of the cops with me. But

26:40

the bomb didn't go off. Otherwise probably

26:43

I wouldn't. She'd be a footnote

26:46

if I knew her name at all. The

26:49

bomb didn't go off, and she goes off to prison. In

26:52

nineteen oh eight, she is convicted of

26:54

killing a cop and a four counts of armed

26:56

robbery, and first

26:58

they give her the death penalty, and then they're like,

27:01

well, you're only twenty,

27:03

so we're going to commute it to twenty years of forced labor.

27:06

Because you'd get more than that today

27:08

for that. Yes, that

27:10

is the thing whenever you go back to these like right,

27:13

if you rebel against the Russian imperial

27:16

government, you either get executed

27:18

and dumped into a mass grave or get

27:20

like a quarter of the sentence you'd get today for

27:22

the same crimes. So it's one of the two. Yeah

27:25

exactly, and adulthood

27:29

for legal responsibility was twenty

27:31

one in Czaris Russia. So Czarist

27:35

Russia, one of the worst despotic

27:37

governments of all time, substantially

27:40

better about juvenile offenders than

27:43

yeah, well he's a can't go. Yeah,

27:45

look, we'll starve him in his entire

27:47

family, We'll conscript him to go die against

27:50

the Austrians. But you

27:52

know, you got to have some mercy when it comes to prison sentences.

27:55

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And

27:58

uh So, in nineteen oh nine, she

28:00

and twelve other prisoners in the women's prison

28:03

try to bust out, and I

28:05

wish, I so wish

28:08

I knew more about so many things that are

28:10

about to happen. She

28:12

tried to bust out, she failed, and

28:14

so the state is like, all right, get the fuck

28:16

to Siberia, get the fuck out of here. You're

28:18

too much to handle. So they sent her off to

28:20

Siberia, where

28:24

a lot of revolutionaries waited out until nineteen

28:26

seventeen, when the revolution freed them all. Not

28:30

Maria Niki Farova. She

28:32

stages a riot and escapes. Her

28:36

and her fellow prisoners riote and break out, and

28:38

then, according to one biography, the revolution

28:40

without delay, she quote fled

28:43

through the Taiga to reach the Trans Siberian

28:46

Railway. She finally reached Vladivostok,

28:48

then Japan. Helped by local anarchist

28:51

students who paid for a ticket, she managed to

28:53

arrive in the United States. There

28:55

she found temporary housing among the many anarchist

28:57

migrants from the Russian Empire, most of

28:59

them of Jewish descent, who had established

29:01

themselves in New York and Chicago.

29:05

Other historians are like, no, it was Chinese

29:07

anarchist students who bought her ticket to

29:10

the US. But the overall nothing

29:13

has a lot of details. But she circumnavigated

29:16

the world through escape and solidarity.

29:18

And she winds up in the good country

29:21

finally.

29:22

I know she's not going to stay.

29:24

Actually, well

29:26

it's usually that's actually not an unwise

29:28

decision.

29:29

But yeah, she would have been Well,

29:31

it's funny she would have ended up back in Russia in nineteen seventeen

29:33

anyway, because the group that she falls in with is

29:36

the same group that the first Red Scare

29:38

is about the union of Russian workers who,

29:41

like a ton of them, including Emma

29:43

Goldman and some other folks that we covered last

29:45

time, get deported back

29:47

to Russia in nineteen seventeen,

29:50

nineteen eighteen, some year that

29:52

I should know when I don't. But

29:56

by nineteen twelve she's like,

29:59

I don't know. Oh if I want to be in the States,

30:01

like I just I have

30:04

literally no idea motive for going back to Europe. I

30:06

could conjecture I'm going to say that the

30:08

States was boring, So

30:12

comrades smuggle her back into Europe. She

30:15

tries going to London, then Germany,

30:17

than Switzerland, and then she's like, nah, it's

30:19

Paris. I gotta be a Parisian

30:22

because now she goes to art

30:24

school. She fucking

30:28

breaks out of prison. She's a

30:30

sixteen year old terar.

30:31

I didn't know.

30:31

I didn't. I didn't think that's where this was going.

30:33

I know, usually people

30:35

go the opposite direction.

30:37

Art school to become terror sixteen year old

30:39

terrorist, sure, who breaks out

30:41

of prison, circumnavigates the world,

30:44

writes for newspapers in

30:47

New York City, gets

30:49

to Paris and goes to art school and gets really into

30:51

sculpture and painting.

30:54

And this is the city where you're

30:56

supposed to fall in love, and

30:59

she did. She married a Polish

31:01

anarchist named what told Bezosteck, and

31:05

most accounts emphasize it was a marriage

31:07

of convenience. I

31:09

think they did this because anarchist

31:12

historians are really annoying and they all have takes

31:15

and discourse infuses history,

31:18

and you're like not supposed to get married

31:20

as an anarchist at this time, and so in

31:23

some ways.

31:24

It's like a hierarchy thing.

31:25

I guess, yeah, no, totally, it's

31:27

like it's a feminist thing. It's a specific

31:30

feminist thing where a lot of leftists,

31:32

including a lot of communists, they're not getting

31:34

married at this time. You have Emma Goldman saying those

31:36

who married you ill, and you have like all

31:38

of this stuff around because marriage is

31:40

a property relationship.

31:41

Yeah, yeah, I mean it is largely. It's

31:43

also like a thing people basically

31:46

do in every society. It doesn't

31:48

mean the same thing every time, but like, yeah,

31:50

I get it, I get it out exactly. And

31:53

anarchists have also been getting married

31:55

the whole time, despite what the anarchy

31:58

rules say they're supposed to do. So

32:00

people present this as a marriage convenience because she keeps

32:02

her own last name and he doesn't always he's

32:05

not always in the same place with her as her. Okay,

32:07

but as best as I understand,

32:10

and I've I've read some accounts

32:13

of the end of this story, and.

32:15

I don't know all of it yet. I might have more details by

32:17

the time we record the next Purse three and four.

32:20

Okay, he dies in

32:22

her command like it's

32:25

kinky, like he joins her military command

32:27

later and he is executed for the crime

32:30

of being married to her.

32:31

Oh wow wow, And that doesn't

32:34

sound like a marriage of convenience. See, that seems

32:36

really inconvenient to me. Actually, Marcur

32:38

I know.

32:40

I think that they were in love and they were anarchists,

32:42

so she kept her own name and he didn't

32:45

think he owned her. And they went different places at

32:47

different times, and they spent all their time trying

32:49

to figure out how to be together, and they died together.

32:51

And it is beautiful. I love this anarchist

32:53

love story. I know almost something about.

32:56

I do think, just as a general

32:58

rule, you shouldn't call it a marriage of cannvenience

33:00

if it kills one of them. Yeah,

33:03

totally. Yeah, that's not convenient

33:05

at all. Yeah.

33:08

And so because he is the he has the ultimate

33:10

wife guy fate.

33:12

Yeah, that is that, that's his wife. Guys.

33:14

It gets yeah, and

33:16

we stand anarchis wife guys of

33:18

history.

33:19

So that's another podcast we'll start

33:21

soon.

33:22

Yeah, exactly. She

33:25

is one hundred percent part of the movement, even

33:27

when she's like in art school and getting married and stuff.

33:29

You know, doing all these things is waste

33:32

a time with art and love. While

33:34

she's wasting her time with art and love, she travels to Spain

33:37

and she's like, y'all think that's how you rob a bank. Let

33:39

me show you how to rob a bank. But

33:41

she gets wounded in Spain while robbing

33:44

a bank, and she's spirited

33:46

away back to Paris to recover, okay,

33:49

and this is where no

33:51

one knows whether or not she's in her sex.

33:54

One version of this history, okay,

33:56

is that while she's in

33:58

recovery in Paris, she has

34:01

some kind of corrective surgery

34:03

around her intersex condition.

34:05

Did they have that?

34:07

I mean, they have been doing like to

34:10

infants for a very long time. I don't have all

34:12

of this information, but like this

34:14

is also the era where you start having the

34:16

very first gender firming surgeries

34:19

are happening in a few years ago.

34:20

Yeah, yeah, I know that, and like in Germany, Yeah,

34:22

I.

34:22

Just yeah, okay, I

34:26

do not know if this part of it is true.

34:28

There's very little information about this part.

34:30

And then if it did happen, we don't know. If

34:32

it was alike, well, you were injured and while

34:35

we're down there, we did this thing without your consent,

34:37

as happens to intersex people all the time, or

34:39

whether she was like, why you're down there,

34:41

won't we do this thing? I don't know,

34:45

or if it happened at all, or if she was intersex at

34:47

all, it's conjecture

34:49

from her being ugly is some of the ways

34:51

that it whatever. I'm

34:54

so annoyed at all this history, but she's so fucking

34:56

interesting and cool. Again,

34:59

not the best time to go go to Europe is nineteen

35:01

thirteen. No, World

35:03

War one soon breaks out? And

35:07

do you know what my least favorite historical

35:09

anarchist discourse of all time is?

35:12

Uh?

35:12

No, actually world War

35:14

One? And whether or not anarchists

35:16

were supposed to support it?

35:18

Yeah, how is that a discourse because

35:20

there's nothing, there's nothing to support in

35:22

World War One? Right? Well, what

35:25

happened was maybe Belgium, I

35:27

don't know.

35:28

Yeah, the majority of the anarchist

35:30

movement, as well as I think the leftist and movement

35:33

in general was like, workers

35:35

shouldn't kill workers, we shouldn't go to

35:37

war, and we will

35:40

refuse the draft and we will be in

35:42

this context pacifists, because actually

35:44

it's funny because passifist now usually means like also

35:46

nonviolent protest, whereas a historically

35:49

pacifism also sometimes just means anti war.

35:52

You know, several major

35:56

anarchist thinkers supported

35:58

the Allies in World War One, including

36:00

Peter Kopak and one of the people I've talked about

36:02

a ton on this show who was as anarchist biologist,

36:05

who I find very fascinating and cool. A

36:07

lot of people are mad now at

36:10

this. However, a

36:12

lot of people in France were like, we

36:15

don't want to get invaded, so

36:17

we should join the French army to

36:19

stop the German army. And

36:22

this is the kind of discourse

36:25

that's happening, and it's a discourse that costs

36:27

a lot of people their lives because people

36:29

go and join the French

36:31

army. And there's a lot of comparisons

36:34

you can make about like that. And how

36:37

you know, in Ukraine right now there

36:39

are anarchist units fighting

36:42

embedded in the regular Ukrainian

36:44

military against Russian invasion.

36:46

Yea.

36:47

Now in that case, Ukraine

36:49

is not historically a colonial power.

36:51

It sure is not. It's literally the opposite.

36:54

Yeah, exactly, because I can

36:56

get the whole like, well, you know, Germany, if

36:58

you're trying to apportion war or guilt, it's certainly

37:01

not like World War Two where it's really clear. But you

37:03

do have Germany fucking up Belgian

37:05

neutrality from a perspective of like, am

37:08

I willing to suggest people go die for Belgian

37:10

neutrality? Well, Belgium is basically

37:12

just kind of ended the process

37:15

of committing the greatest war crimes in the history

37:17

or the greatest crimes in the history of African colonialism.

37:20

So like, I don't know, I don't give a shit about

37:22

their neutrality really, and neither shit anybody who

37:24

was that informed on the matter.

37:26

Yeah, no, that makes sense to me. The

37:29

majority of anarchists and

37:31

I believe communists and other leftists and

37:33

stuff at the time were like, we

37:35

want to try and get out of this war. We want to sit this

37:37

war out as much as possible. But

37:42

Maurusia joined

37:44

the French army and went

37:46

to go fight against the imperial

37:48

German invasion. As you know, as I believe

37:50

she perceived it, and I have

37:53

no idea the means by which she did this, And I

37:55

am so mad that I don't

37:57

know how a woman joined

37:59

the French Foreign Legion to go fight on

38:01

the front lines against Germany. I

38:03

don't know whether this means she was like a nurse.

38:06

I don't know whether I mean she was cross dressed. The

38:08

most likely thing I think

38:10

is as she cross dressed or I

38:13

mean, were you used that?

38:14

Definitely people did that. I mean they did in the

38:16

Civil War too, yeah, absolutely,

38:19

So all I know is she goes and fights,

38:23

and you know, anarchist

38:25

armies not a huge deal to be a woman.

38:27

It's still not the norm at this time, right,

38:30

but you know, she

38:32

fought at the front for the French army. And

38:37

then in nineteen seventeen Russia

38:39

famously had a bit of a revolution, and

38:42

at first this time it was the right time

38:44

to do it. Yeah, totally.

38:47

It almost worked out. This time they

38:49

got further along the process to

38:52

create a free society and

38:55

had a bit of a revolution. And at the

38:57

first sign of this, she's like, I

39:00

I'm done with the French Foreign Legion. I'm

39:02

going back to Ukraine. And so once

39:04

again, like it's probably not

39:06

an easy thing to desert the

39:08

front lines and go to Ukraine.

39:11

Yeah, in this case Russia first. Actually she

39:14

goes yeah, but there's

39:16

not a lot that Marcia cannot do, so

39:20

she does that. At this

39:22

point, we're gonna have to cliff notes the Russian

39:24

Revolution, even though he did a six parter on it, but

39:26

first we want

39:28

a cliff notes.

39:30

All of these.

39:31

Ads, including John

39:34

Cages for.

39:35

These ads will be over as fast as the rest

39:38

of the tsar's life.

39:49

And we're back. And for some reason, people killed the kids

39:51

of these ads too. So

39:56

you ever heard of the Russian Revolution? Yes,

40:01

there was a czar. He was an autocrat.

40:04

Some women had a strike on International Women's

40:06

Day in nineteen seventeen. The strike

40:08

generalized. The military was like, yeah,

40:11

fuck, it will help you overthrow the czar, and the tzar

40:13

came tumbling down. This was called the February

40:15

Revolution because it happened with the rest of the world

40:18

called March. Russia

40:21

was then controlled by what was called dual power.

40:24

There's the moderate socialist provisional government.

40:27

It's full of folks who've been elected to a powerless

40:29

Congress five years earlier. And

40:32

then there's the Soviets, which start

40:34

off kind of cool, are really interesting,

40:36

which is a federation of bottom up,

40:38

directly democratic workers' councils. Basically,

40:41

they're not all necessarily the most

40:43

cool and radical. They're the people who've been elected

40:46

in these areas. Yeah,

40:49

the two groups pretended like they were going to share power.

40:52

Really they just were vying for power

40:54

against each other for a while.

40:59

In the big picture. In October,

41:01

a bunch of communists people who like the Communes,

41:04

including the Bolsheviks and the anarchists, use

41:06

guns and gunboats and shit to take power

41:08

in the name of the Soviets. This is called the October Revolution,

41:12

or which happened in November. But again, whatever,

41:16

I don't know why, I like keep liking pointing

41:18

out that the October Revolution happened November.

41:20

It just entertains me.

41:21

It's a discernible reason.

41:23

But it's But it's better too write, like if

41:27

I if I were like responsible

41:30

for I don't know, putting together the propaganda

41:32

or scripting this as like a movie or something.

41:34

November revolution just doesn't hit the same way as

41:36

October. I don't know why. I don't know

41:38

why, but it's better.

41:40

Yeah,

41:42

So the Bolsheviks Eventually they centralized power,

41:44

They disenfranchise the Soviets and become rulers

41:46

of an authoritary, nightmare government that paraded around

41:48

in the skin of communism like some kind of nightmare

41:50

man wearing the skin face of someone you love.

41:53

Sure, but happen

41:55

happens often, many such cases. Yeah,

41:58

what hasn't happened yet? Yeah, Marusia

42:01

shows up in Russia. It's still dual power

42:03

times, and she is with the

42:05

diehard anarchists yelling all power of the Soviets,

42:07

and they're among the very first people

42:11

using that slogan and meaning it. Between

42:15

nineteen oh eight nineteen seventeen, there weren't a

42:17

lot of committed revolutionaries in Russia

42:19

because they'd all been killed, imprisoned, or

42:21

forced into exile. Some folks

42:24

kept the torch alive. Of course, there was a bunch of

42:26

anarcho syndicalists in Kiev and Ukraine.

42:29

But the nineteen seventeen revolution happened without

42:31

any of the ideologues, without the Bolsheviks,

42:34

without the anarchists. After

42:36

the revolution, all the political prisoners were set

42:38

free, and they were really excited.

42:42

They just spent ten years in revolutionary

42:44

finishing school aka prison.

42:47

The Petrograd Federation of Anarchist Groups

42:49

soon had seventeen thousand active members,

42:51

which again is enough people to believe that everyone

42:54

is on your side except for five people who are

42:56

mad at you. Yeah,

42:59

and they've got one big

43:02

idea they want to present to people.

43:05

What if we just take all the rich people's shit

43:08

so that they're not richer than anyone else anymore.

43:13

Okay, because well, February

43:15

Revolution had removed the aristocracy, it hadn't

43:17

fixed class relations. And

43:20

one of the ways they did this is one

43:22

of my favorite things that always comes up on the show

43:25

Squatting. The

43:28

Governor General of Moscow had a summer

43:30

home in the anarchist neighborhood of Saint Petersburg,

43:33

and so the anarchists were like, this

43:35

isn't even this guy's main house. This

43:37

is definitely our house now, and

43:42

they set up a baker's union and childcare

43:44

and a library and meeting rooms, and

43:46

the provisional government and a Bolshevik

43:49

controlled local Soviet are like, y'all

43:51

can't take the rich person's house, and

43:55

the anarchists are like, but we already did. It's

43:57

our house now. There's a baker's union, there's

43:59

child care, so

44:02

they barricaded themselves inside, and

44:04

the scary Kronshtat sailors came

44:06

to protect them, and

44:08

the supposedly revolutionary government came and put

44:10

them down, killing one defender, sentencing

44:12

a sailor to fourteen years of hard labor for having

44:15

too many grenades on him when they arrested him. How

44:18

many is took.

44:19

I'm guessing one is considered too many

44:21

grenades. It's kind of like boeing whistleblowers

44:24

to die. Yeah, like two

44:26

is a high number of whistleblowers

44:30

to die. One is a high number, much

44:32

like hand grenades on you when you're arrested.

44:34

Yeah, that makes

44:36

sense.

44:37

But don't worry. He broke out

44:39

a couple weeks later. This

44:43

kicks off the July Days, which is like a Russian

44:45

Revolution one point five, where they tried

44:48

to create communism and equality despite

44:50

what the Bolsheviks and the provisional government had to say

44:52

on the matter, and

44:55

in order to do that they

44:58

needed the Kronstat sailors. These are the like

45:00

fighting pride force of the revolution,

45:04

and they're also all stubbornly politically

45:06

pluralist. They're like, they're

45:08

not the crunched sailors, aren't the anarchists. They're not

45:10

the SRS, they're not the Bolsheviks, they're the like.

45:13

Well, no one group should be in power, and people

45:15

should be able to choose what they want. And

45:18

the way that they ended up. Part of the July Days

45:21

is that our girl Marushia, the terrorist

45:24

and sculptor, went over to the naval base

45:26

in nineteen seventeen and gave speeches.

45:29

Apparently another thing she's good at. She

45:32

didn't single handedly spark this revolt, but

45:34

she was part of it. Her power as a speaker

45:36

becomes sort of legendary. In particular,

45:39

she's good at talking to groups

45:42

of armed men who are like the

45:44

toughest motherfuckers about

45:46

why they should support the revolution instead of doing whatever

45:49

they were already doing. She's not a good like

45:52

go speak to the like liberal

45:55

middle class. She's alike, Oh,

45:58

right wing dudes with guns. I'll tell them

46:00

to change their minds. Thousands

46:03

of soldiers and workers armed the teeth took the

46:06

streets, demanding all power to the Soviets before

46:08

the Bolsheviks and the provisional government put them down.

46:11

Lots of revolutionaries had to flee after

46:13

this, Most went in nearby

46:15

Finland. Marushia, though,

46:18

she was like, I miss Ukraine.

46:21

It's been a while. I'm gonna go home. So

46:24

in July nineteen seventeen, after eight years

46:26

and literally traveling all the way around the world, fighting

46:28

in a whole ass war, breaking out of prison at least

46:31

once, and hanging out with anarchists from Japan

46:33

and the US and Europe, she's like, all right, I'm

46:35

going to Ukraine, where

46:39

I think I haven't finished writing the script.

46:41

I think everything was peaceful and fine,

46:43

and she lived out the rest of her life as a sculptor,

46:46

and I think that's probably what we're going to cover in

46:48

part two.

46:49

That sounds right, That's got to be part two.

46:51

Yeah, I can't think of anything else that

46:53

happened.

46:54

How everything was fine forever.

46:56

No one read a history book between now

46:58

and Wednesday. One day, I'm going

47:01

to just take one of these and just go Have

47:03

you ever been tempted to just go entirely off

47:05

the rails?

47:06

Yeah, I mean I feel like that happens

47:09

accidentally sometimes, Robert.

47:11

You're asking Robert that question, like

47:14

I would like one day I'm going

47:16

to make up a fictional character and

47:19

tell you all the story, and then they're

47:21

just going to like live out the rest of their

47:23

days happy after doing

47:25

wild stuff.

47:27

Yeah, cool people who got away with

47:29

doing cool stuff. We talked about Jose Muhika.

47:31

He kind of was that kind of guy, which

47:34

is this is the president

47:37

of Uruguay who was an anarchist, terrorist,

47:39

bank robber and then became the

47:41

president. Yeah that's true. Yeah,

47:43

he was kind of like it wasn't a perfect president,

47:45

but no one ever is. Yeah,

47:49

no, and there.

47:50

Are plenty of people who do live

47:53

out the rest of their days happy. I just am always

47:55

like tempted to

47:58

edit history as I go and I don't do it.

48:00

But I'm always the trouble with history. Yeah.

48:03

Yeah. But if

48:06

people like history, do you have anything

48:08

that you could point them towards proberts?

48:10

Yes. History tells us that the

48:12

one thing you can do to

48:15

make yourself happy is to

48:17

read Margaret Killjoy's new book,

48:19

The Sapling Cage.

48:21

That's the only plug. But I'll take I'll take

48:23

a me plug.

48:24

That's that's what I've got. That's my plug for this week, everybody.

48:29

I have a book called The Sapling Cage. We just did the cover

48:31

reveal today as we recorded.

48:33

This kind of stole my idea for a plug. But

48:35

Okay, yeah,

48:38

that's true.

48:39

Well, I've been thinking about

48:41

starting a new show that's

48:44

the inverse of Cool People Did Cool Stuff. We're

48:46

going to call it Bad People Who Did

48:48

Bad Things

48:50

and it's now available wherever

48:53

you get your podcast and it's hosted

48:55

by me.

48:57

Yeah. Sounds like the newest idea in podcasting.

48:59

We'll check that out, everybody.

49:01

Yeah, So, if you got

49:03

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49:05

Media podcasts or anything.

49:07

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49:09

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49:15

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49:18

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49:20

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49:21

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49:24

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49:32

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