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Hello, and welcome to cool people who cool stuff.

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You're weekly reminder that it's worth fighting for shit

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sometimes. I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy,

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and with me today is the one and only Francesco

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Fiorentini. I'm just good. How are you? I'm

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good? You know. I

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need I need this show. I think I'm feeling

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like I need to show I need to remember

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the bravery, the heroism, the

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fact that things have always been bad

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and there've always been people standing up to it

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and yeah, fighting the power and fucking the patriarchy.

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So yeah, I'm here for that. Yeah.

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Yeah. Usually we pretend like we recorded

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on a different day. This time we're actually recording

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on a different day, and like you

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all in the future will know more details than

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us. But there was like, yeah, another mass shooting yesterday

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and everyone's really in a terrible mood. Yeah,

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and so I was like, all

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I want to do is well I really

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want to do is go work on my truck or whatever, forget

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about the world. But hanging

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out with cool, weird pacifists

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in history who fight the FBI, I

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think that'll help. To our

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you're listening, which case Hi on Women. So

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are we left off? Everyone's really

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fucking mad about government repression and

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the government killing people in Vietnam,

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and lots of people are starting to do stuff about

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it. And some of those people they're pacifists

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and they're not rioting, but they're not doing nothing either.

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And one of them is a guy named William

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Davidson is who we're

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gonna a little bit hie

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everything together with to tie

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it. Yeah, I already

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got his name wrong. His name is William david

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In. There's no S in his name. My

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brain reads the name david

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In and adds the S and

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I had to later go back through and find

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replace my whole script. I've never heard

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that name, but I feel like he's going to be cool, so there's

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a reason there's no S in it. Yeah.

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Yeah, he's the furthest thing from the SS.

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Yes. William

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Daviden is primarily

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a physicist and a teacher, Like there's

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a physics thing named after him, which I

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do not understand the slightest of I tried reading

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about it, but literally none of the nouns were

2:39

nouns that my high school science education

2:42

included. Oh god, so

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he's a science guy. So

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we'll just get even more weird breaking bad people

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going in more interesting directions than actual

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breaking bad. Yeah, seriously, less

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selfish directions, as we've laid out in

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episode one, part one. I mean, yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, I'm still holding out for the Walter

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White just makes napalm and gives it to pass fists.

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Yeah, so,

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David and William. He's a pass fist,

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and he's a progressive activist and he's a secular Jew.

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And if you need to find this guy, he's either going

3:14

to be studying physics or helping run the local

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chapter of the ACLU. He's like, I

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feel like you can get a picture of this guy with that information,

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you know, like you've you've met this guy. You don't

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suspect him of combitating

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large numbers of felonies. No,

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but but but they do it with like a smile, you

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know, like you have you know, you have a wonderful

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day. You know what I mean. I'm just going to you

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know, trespassing and a couple

3:38

of light misdemeanors and felonies and yeah,

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exactly whatnot. And he gets called

3:44

mild mannered a lot, and I think

3:46

this absolutely helped him get never

3:48

get caught for pulling off one of the greatest heights

3:50

in American history. Although

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the one thing I found about him he managed

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to have kids with at least three different women. And

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he's also really famous for telling really

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really boring long jokes while

4:04

committing crimes. Oh

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I love this. I know you're

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going in like like while making love

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to these people, like you know now,

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that's how we like

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shut up and get inside me. Please

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please are

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you finished? No? I mean in both ways? Yeah? Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, please finish.

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Yeah, just struggling with the condom.

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I don't know how you know they're well do you

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ever hear the one about the condom? And

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like, shut up, don't even use it. Damn

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it, We're that

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That's exactly how it happened. Um,

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And I'm not gonna like stake my reputation

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on the fact that he had that

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was in my perusal of his personal

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life, which is largely left out of these histories.

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That's what I came up with. If I'm wrong, Sorry,

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his descendants, Yeah,

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the Davidens. Yeah,

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it pays Viden's you know what I'm saying. Daviden's

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all right, but that's

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a short, bad joke. So yeah,

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that's and that's more my speed, especially

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if you're hiding in a closet during a

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raid on a draft board. Like literally,

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people would be hiding in a closet because

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they'd be in the middle of raiding a draft board to

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burn stuff, and he would tell some awful

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joke and you can't do anything about

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it. You're a captive audience in like every

5:27

possible way. Love that. Yeah.

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So in nineteen

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sixty six, I think, before he's

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a burglar, I know, it's before

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he's a burglar. He goes with a delegation

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of US Pacifists to talk in South

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Vietnam, and

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it went well. They met with Buddhists and

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Catholics alike who were like, fuck, yeah, let's

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stop this war. This war sucks

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until they had a final press conference. And

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at this press conference it got interrupted. First

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students would throw eggs at them, not

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because he told a boar and joke as far as I can

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tell, but I'm not going to rule it out. And

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then cops came and busted up the meeting,

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and everyone's shouting shit the whole time, like if

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you're not with us here against us. Both the like students

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and the cops, who are like weirdly

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similarly similar vibe

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about how they're disrupting it. So then they get outside

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the conference, and as

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soon as they get outside, both the cops and the students

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like drop the anger and are like, sorry,

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we got told we had to do that. The military

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police made us disrupt you and throw exit

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you and stuff. You're you're fine with us, nothing

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personal anyway, We're off the block now,

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so you want to grab a drink. It's a great

6:37

spot exactly, yeah,

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only instead the next day the Vietnamese

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police were like, now we're going to drive you to

6:44

the airport, whether you like it or not. Goodbye.

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So he gets deported from Vietnam

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unceremoniously, not

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before like fathering at least one child

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and telling a bad jokes that the

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South Vietnamese still tell to this day about

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the yeahs

7:04

terrible fuck boys everywhere he used his yes

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indeed, no, no, he's he's

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gonna be Look, first of all, he's mild mannered.

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He can't be held accountable for anything, all

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right, he's a good guy. He's mild mannered. Yeah.

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Yeah, And that's why the David and Effect

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has a disambiguation page on Wikipedia

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between the joke about condoms

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in order to not use them, right

7:26

and the like science thing. Yeah,

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So he gets home, he tells

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one joke last the whole flight. He gets home, and he

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starts working to try and stop the war. But

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except he's actually a good guy. I'm like, there's

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actually literally nothing wrong with like, as long as everyone's

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consenting, I don't care how many people

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you have kids with or whatever. Right, he

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keeps up his teaching, and he also keeps up his

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share of raising his two kids with his

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wife. Okay, and

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all the hours that went into anti warship.

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He's still like,

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like half the men I've pro filed on this show gets

8:01

so involved in their activism that they just like fucking

8:04

ditched their kids and their wife and shit, right, you

8:06

know, and so like it. It actually

8:08

really stands out to me that he's like an l right

8:10

guy totally of all of them, he like took

8:13

responsibility. Yeah it's nice. Yeah,

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yeah, it's a nice change, I

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know. And

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so more people should be like taved

8:22

into this particular that particular

8:26

part of it, actually a lot of it. He's actually,

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I mean, there's a reason he's on this show. So most

8:31

that work was at first with a group called

8:33

Resistance, and Resistance is an anti

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draft organization, and they had

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this really cool strategy. I

8:39

love how like I kind of like thought I

8:41

knew about Vietnam War

8:43

resistance in the United States, you

8:46

know, and I just like keep finding

8:48

new things that they did, and there was like that

8:51

were like involved. And so what Resistance

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did is they went up to Jersey near

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an army base. They

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bought a coffeehouse and

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they ran a coffee house for soldiers

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and then the pacifists would

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come up and hang out and talk

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to on duty soldiers or off duty soldiers

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but you know, active duty soldiers

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whatever. Yeah, befriend

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them, ask them

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what's wrong with their life, talk to them

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about how to get how to help, and

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then help them get the fuck out of the military.

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Yes, And they helped deserters and they

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helped draft resistors, and they would take

9:27

people underground and like get people the fuck

9:29

out of the country. Yeah, the GI coffeehouse

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movement was a huge like

9:34

it they were multiple, I believe

9:37

under I mean during Vietnam War. There's

9:39

a great documentary that sort of fell into this,

9:41

like nether Regions of before,

9:44

Like before documentaries

9:46

like looked good, but there

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was like a you know moment in between, like two thousand and

9:52

five and six, when it was like, oh, if we

9:54

just waited three years, this would actually look way better.

9:56

But it's called Sir No Sir, and it's about gis

9:58

resisting the war and

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GI organizing, and yet coffeehouses

10:03

were a thing, and they could be like right outside

10:05

of bases and so like gis could

10:07

have a place to go and not feel like, you know,

10:09

an officer was breathing down their necks and they could

10:11

like talk about, you know, how fucked

10:14

the war in Vietnam was. Yeah,

10:16

that I love how

10:18

many different things were

10:20

involved. Like I mean still

10:22

at the end of the day, I think that the Vietnam War was

10:24

stopped by the US being militarily defeated

10:27

by the Vietnamese, but it

10:30

sure helps that everyone was trying everything

10:32

to like, yes, disrupt this like

10:35

horrible anyway, So

10:38

so resistance it's not working.

10:41

I mean it's working, but it's not enough. The war

10:43

keeps going. And since he was a pacifist,

10:46

he's realizing he's watching the entire anti

10:49

war movement as six he's come to a close realizing

10:52

that the ship isn't working. More and more of them are arming

10:54

up and rioting harder and not being pacifists.

10:56

And I have I think both sides

10:58

are great in this particular thing, but

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for him this doesn't work right. He's like looking

11:04

at this and he's like, shit, the

11:06

sort of liberals aren't doing enough. But

11:08

then the people who want to take things further are doing it in

11:10

a direction that doesn't work for me, who

11:13

is getting more and more hard but

11:16

in a way that remains pacifists. The

11:19

Catholic left, So

11:23

William who is a secular

11:25

Jew and he's not Catholic, which is I

11:27

think why within this movement.

11:30

Like there's a book called Burglar for Peace, and I don't have

11:32

the name of the author right in front of me, which is terrible.

11:34

In that book he constantly refers

11:36

to the movement not as the Catholic Left, but as ultra resistance,

11:40

and so, and

11:43

I think it might be because my guess,

11:45

I don't know, is that because it was heterogeneous

11:49

or whatever. Anyway, he

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goes and he joins it, and he becomes

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a burglar for peace. He's stealing draft cards

11:56

at night, and everyone assumes he's Quaker

11:58

or Catholic because those are the two largest groups

12:00

within this thing. Rumors

12:04

about FBI infiltration are all

12:06

over the place, and so this is on his mind too.

12:09

FBI Director jag Or Hoover had

12:12

just come out to the press about this growing anarchist

12:14

menace, the East Coast Conspiracy

12:17

to Save Lives. He

12:19

specifically said, I know right, I

12:21

love it. I love the East Coast Conspiracy

12:24

to Save Lives is the name of the n Evil anarchist terrorist

12:26

group or whatever. Quote.

12:29

This is a militant group self described

12:31

as being composed of Catholic priests and nuns,

12:34

teacher students, and former students who

12:36

have manifested opposition in Vietnam by

12:38

acts of violence against government agencies

12:40

and private corporations engaged in work

12:42

relating to US participation in

12:44

the Vietnam conflict. He

12:46

says this like, but it's like a bad

12:48

thing to him, But it's the

12:52

Hoover was the closest we got

12:54

in this country to you

12:56

know, having our own dirty war internally,

12:59

you know, like like Hoover wanted to do

13:01

what the military juntas in Argentina

13:03

and in Chile successfully

13:06

did to Again the first

13:08

line of everyone who's always involved in social

13:11

justice work, which is clergy

13:13

pre you know people in yeah, religious

13:15

folks, as students, teachers

13:18

like that, always constantly, constantly, constantly,

13:20

constantly throughout time. Right, yes,

13:23

workers are in there, but especially

13:25

when it comes to passimist movements. The only difference

13:27

is, like you know, again, those were dirty

13:29

wars internally, and you know,

13:31

he was like, oh, look they disappeared

13:33

thirty thousand, we could do forty. You know, he

13:35

really wanted to do that. Yeah,

13:38

yeah, any any I

13:40

mean, I mean he yes, you

13:43

know, hundreds of people, if

13:45

not through the i mean million millions of Vietnam

13:47

War. But he got his way in terms

13:49

of us. We talked about Cohen Telpro and the and the groups

13:52

that he undermined and the deaths that eventually

13:54

did occur in them, you know, under the shadiest

13:56

circumstances. But he wasn't

13:58

allowed to go full throttle. You know, he's

14:00

a little heart desired, which

14:02

is the one nice thing about checks and balances,

14:05

and why you know, democracy is a preferable

14:07

system to live under than many.

14:11

The one thing the things that Hoover

14:13

got wrong in his statements, one

14:16

is that he was wrong about the violence part, although I think in

14:18

this case he's probably referring to like the

14:20

violence of damaging property or whatever, you

14:22

know, or of the Marxist mind virus.

14:25

That's violent, Yeah, totally.

14:27

And then he was sort

14:29

of wrong about the anarchist part. Is kind of funny because

14:32

he's absolutely using it as like a

14:34

boogeyman word. But

14:36

the Catholic Workers were

14:38

started by the anarchist Dorothy Day in the thirties,

14:41

and then the Baragans, one

14:43

of them got referred to as sometimes anarchists,

14:45

always pacifists. Yeah yeah,

14:47

And but overall,

14:50

you know, he's using as the boogeyman. And he also

14:53

he mentioned the Barragan brothers by name in this

14:56

statement, not the part I quoted as

14:58

leaders of a plot to blow

15:01

up steam pipes in Washington, d

15:03

C. And kidnap Henry Kissinger.

15:06

If only I'm sorry, no no, hell

15:11

yeah, what no, no, not them definitely,

15:13

not the bargains. But that's out sight.

15:16

Yeah, and they're also in can we still do that?

15:20

Uh So anyway,

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look, first of all, I obviously would never

15:25

blow anything up to get to Henry Kissinger. I would

15:27

tie a million helium balloons

15:30

to one of his ankles and have him float

15:32

away like the dude and up, yeah,

15:34

and everyone just waves goodbye, and you

15:37

could have like this, the picture of like

15:39

the one little girl with a red balloon, like

15:41

watching him float away into Yeah.

15:44

Needs to do is say you have a company that a

15:48

fake blood company that diagnosed things

15:50

that he can invest in. He'll run right over.

15:52

Was he a Paranos investor? By

15:55

forgotten about that? Of

15:58

course he was. That's

16:00

all That's all you have to do is beat him with some

16:03

some some grift and he's like, I'm in

16:06

amazing. Fuck

16:08

that little troll. Dude, he's still around. He's

16:10

still around. I know

16:13

almost everyone else in this story is dead

16:16

by now, not everyone. Some of these people

16:18

are still alive. But but

16:20

the one guy who persists, Yeah,

16:23

the good die Young. We've talked about this, I mean this

16:25

is yeah, this is not a common knowledge. Yeah,

16:28

Henry Kissinger did not believe in the plan to

16:30

kidnap him. He

16:33

laughed about in the media. He laughed about quote

16:35

sex starved nuns, but he believed

16:37

in Sorry, okay, I'll stop,

16:41

Okay, I don't know what tharonosissis.

16:45

Elizabeth Holmes. Uh,

16:48

she started the company that where it's like if you prick

16:50

your finger your blood, you could diagnose things.

16:52

But it was all a lie. And she's the only woman

16:54

rifter we have who should be celebrated

16:57

as a female drifter. There's

16:59

a great behind the bastards on it. Okay.

17:02

But yeah, if

17:05

you know, you know, And I'm being

17:07

very funny today.

17:09

If

17:12

you don't know, I sound like an asshole.

17:17

I love that you don't know who like who? Elizabeth

17:19

like Holmes is that's great. That name sounds

17:22

familiar. Don't let you be

17:25

tainted. Don't be yes, don't

17:27

be don't be Let's focus on the bargains

17:29

and the David dinns okay, and

17:32

the sex starve nuns who are going

17:34

to kidnap Kissinger, which

17:36

is what he told the press. They can't keep the hands

17:38

off me. Yeah,

17:40

it's like, yeah, it's just like se

17:44

And so no one in the government

17:46

believed that these pacifists

17:48

who are in prison were going to blow up DC

17:51

and kidnap Kissinger. But

17:54

it was a convenient lie. The FBI

17:56

got enough money to hire a thousand new agents

17:59

who were called the Bear again. One

18:01

thousand within the bureau Holy

18:03

shit, right yeah,

18:08

yeah, which is out of

18:10

like I think there's like about seven or eight thousand

18:12

before that. So this is a really major

18:15

addition. You know, how many FBI

18:17

agents are on like the January six ers

18:19

now probably three, you

18:22

know what I'm saying, You know what I mean again,

18:24

not tip for tat. We've been over this. I do not wish,

18:27

you know, all of these tactics to be used on any

18:29

community, no matter how heinous they are,

18:31

because fuck the FBI. But still,

18:34

the white nationalists have like like

18:36

a cool five people dedicated

18:39

to stopping the many militias that

18:41

are starting as I speak. Yeah,

18:43

and then another a cool fifteen setting

18:46

up militias for you

18:48

know, in case we need them in our back pocket

18:50

exactly. They work in separate wings

18:53

of the FBI. Yeah, totally keep

18:55

every now and then they've really awkward conversations

18:57

where like ones infiltrating the same group as the

18:59

other one, but for opposite reasons. Oh my god,

19:03

I know, so

19:07

one us representative called

19:09

bullshit on this. This

19:11

guy William Anderson, and

19:13

he's really interesting. I'm not going to give him a whole ton

19:15

of time, but he was this World War two submarine

19:17

hero who was famous for commanding

19:19

the first trip under the North Pole and the submarine.

19:22

So he's kind of like a Neil Armstrong

19:25

guy. Like he's like because

19:27

he's a famous explorer. Before that,

19:30

all just got one person,

19:32

one right, one person went to the moon, and everyone

19:35

forgot about everyone else. And he

19:37

had been super pro war until

19:39

he'd actually gone to Vietnam and seeing how

19:41

evil the US was being like he goes to Vietnam

19:43

and they keep being like, come over here and look at this stuff.

19:45

And he's like, what about those cages full of people and they're

19:47

like, Noah, no, he don't go over there. And

19:50

he goes over there and he sees and he's like, wow,

19:52

fuck this war. And he comes home and

19:55

he starts reading books, including by the Barragan

19:57

brothers, and so

19:59

he wasn't He visits them in prison and he's

20:01

like, yeah, is this true? Or are you going

20:03

to blow people up and kidnap Kissinger? And

20:06

then he left convinced accurately

20:09

that they were into non violence like now and forever.

20:12

So this you previously

20:14

pro war hero stands up in the House chamber

20:16

and it is basically like Nixon's full of shit. This

20:19

is complete and utter nonsense. So

20:23

sorry, not Nixon's full of shit, Hoover's

20:25

full of shit. I get my bastards mixed up. Yeah,

20:28

Hoover destroyed his career.

20:31

What this was it? Yeah,

20:34

Hoover went and found him

20:36

madam. He went around and was like, hey,

20:40

has this guy hired you? And everyone's like, no, I've never seen

20:42

this guy before in my life. But after asking like

20:45

uncountable numbers of sex workers and

20:47

madame's and stuff, one person was like,

20:49

oh, maybe he like Kyle, looks like someone

20:52

I once saw. Maybe, And

20:54

so Hoover like splashes

20:57

this everywhere, destroys this guy's reputation,

20:59

destroys his career. Anderson went

21:01

from winning eighty two percent of the electorate

21:03

in his district, which I completely forgot where is

21:06

to losing his reelection campaign because

21:09

Hoover, because he stood up to Hoover. I

21:12

was muted on the zoom, but you couldn't hear

21:14

when you said Anderson, my Anderson

21:17

made a growl and like,

21:19

how dare you defay me?

21:22

Well, this was a good Anderson are

21:24

both good? Anderson's career was ruined,

21:27

not Hoover, correct, Yeah, I

21:29

see yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah,

21:32

no, yeah, of course no. It was

21:34

just yeah, whistleblowers are gonna

21:36

get you know, completely cut off, even

21:38

though this guy was a fucking hero or like

21:40

he did something pretty amazing. Yeah,

21:43

And all Hoover did was you know,

21:45

target a bunch of priests. Yeah

21:47

yeah, and black people. Yeah.

21:49

Yeah, it's it's great. Everything

21:51

is great. Uh. The US has always

21:53

been good and will continue to be good do

21:55

good things throughout the world. Today's

21:58

hero the United States government.

22:00

So the FBI went

22:03

viciously after anyone who questioned them

22:05

an author during this time with the nation who

22:08

dared right, maybe the US government should

22:10

should be in charge of the FBI. That was

22:12

like his like big wild thing. Hoover

22:16

had the IRS sicked on him, and like I don't think

22:18

it actually destroyed his career, but he like got

22:20

torn down in a million different ways, and Hoover just

22:23

like went after him.

22:25

But do you know who probably

22:28

isn't the IRS or Hoover,

22:32

Reagan's gold coins, I

22:34

know, God, the ads of it

22:36

getting worse lately. I'm sorry everyone,

22:40

but you know they're they're good.

22:42

This is cool stuff, right, yeah,

22:45

that's yeah cool people

22:48

like you buy cool stuff

22:50

like literally whatever comes

22:52

after this that we fully support and

22:58

we're back. So it

23:02

became clear to the movement at this point that the

23:04

FBI is investigating them and that the

23:06

rumors of infiltration are likely true.

23:09

And more and more

23:11

people are realizing, well,

23:13

Congress isn't going to investigate the FBI

23:16

because people who say maybe Congress

23:19

should have the power to oversee the

23:21

government are having their lives

23:24

ruined. So

23:27

our guy William David and he's like, all right,

23:29

if not me, then who If not now, then when

23:32

I will investigate? Yeah,

23:36

investigate hell yeah, this is on you, which

23:40

are mild manners? Yeah, I know

23:42

he's there's even some details about

23:44

how mild mannered he is through this whole Vegas. It's

23:47

great because some of the

23:49

other people are like wild hippies or whatever, and

23:51

he's just like the physicist guy. So

23:54

he figured Hoover is at

23:56

his heart a bureaucrat. And you

23:58

know what bureaucrats love more than anything else,

24:01

it's not goods and services. They love paperwork.

24:05

Yes, hard on for spreadsheets,

24:08

yeah, and physical ones, because

24:10

it's nineteen seventy at this point,

24:12

probably nineteen seventy, And so he's like, I

24:14

bet that guy is a shit ton of paperwork,

24:17

and I bet he makes all of his agents report

24:19

and detail on fucking everything they do. Yes,

24:23

he was right. This was a

24:25

hunch, like eight

24:28

people risk everything.

24:33

Yeah, on on Hoover being a

24:36

like a absolute like

24:39

stick up the ass, fucking

24:41

yep nerd for paperwork

24:44

and report and like suspicious

24:46

and detail oriented. But on some

24:48

like I'm gonna have a whiskey and yeah, read

24:50

over your reports and you missed

24:53

eyes and teas and all that. Yeah,

24:55

now you you just because he also just choice

24:57

the work, you know. I think we talked about last time

24:59

in destroys the careers of everyone

25:02

who doesn't like within his own organization too. And

25:06

so we've all seen heist movies, I

25:08

hope because they're the best kind of movie. I don't

25:11

know if that's actually true, but they're one of the best. This

25:13

is Ocean sixty nine, Yeah, exactly

25:18

damn seven. Well, so seventy

25:20

is right now, but the crime happens

25:23

in seventy one. They take a while a plan

25:26

but you first need a team.

25:30

So he goes and he recruits a team. It's

25:32

great, there's one guy who's obvious

25:35

to recruit. You can imagine it as the movie, right,

25:37

there's like the one guy that shows him in vignette,

25:39

and then what they realize. John Peter Grady.

25:41

This guy has led a ton of draft board burglaries.

25:44

He is a natural leader. He's charismatic,

25:47

his courage is infectious. He

25:49

is probably the main reason people, at least

25:52

in that area, maybe in general, we're doing these burglaries

25:54

anyway. So William was like,

25:57

no, we can't have him, not gonna work

26:00

too obvious. Oh

26:02

yeah, and it was the right

26:04

call. After the burglary, John

26:07

Peter Grady was the main guy who has

26:09

investigated as the leader of it. So

26:11

they didn't tell him a fucking thing. They

26:13

all knew him. Didn't tell him a fucking

26:16

thing. Oh he must have been

26:18

mad, but that's okay. You gotta cut out. One's got

26:20

heat on him, I know, and I bet

26:22

you in the end he was like, oh God, that

26:24

one wasn't me because I'd be in

26:26

prison. Although you know, depending

26:28

on his religious affiliation, he might have been perfectly

26:30

fine and happy to be in prison or whatever.

26:33

So William gets together's team. He's got

26:35

to convince them that it's possible, and it

26:37

seems like it will never work, right, because this is part

26:40

of why Hoover is able to keep

26:42

all this paperwork, because he thinks he's invincible,

26:44

you know. He gets together eight

26:47

people age nineteen to forty four,

26:50

and they come from all walks of life, except that

26:52

probably all of them were white, but the book didn't

26:54

say, and so that's why I'm assuming they were all

26:56

white because of I

26:58

don't know. But then again, there's this thing or sometimes and one

27:00

of them is an acrobat of course, that can fit into

27:02

very small places, you know, sort of like

27:04

like, yeah, do like a suitcase just like

27:06

an oceans you know eleven? Yeah

27:09

right, Yeah, one of them is really tall.

27:11

They do have a locksmith, oh

27:14

love it. Yeah. Four

27:16

of them are parents, which rule they

27:19

Also they weren't tight or anything with each other,

27:21

which I think played out very well

27:23

for them in terms of how they've survived the investigation.

27:26

Yeah, is anyone fucking anyone else here? Because

27:29

that would really ruin this all right?

27:31

There's one married couple, but

27:34

that's both of them. Yeah.

27:36

Yeah, So it's not a polycuele

27:39

because polycueles can't get shit done. No,

27:41

I mean polycules can get shit done very briefly,

27:44

but it is not a stable set

27:47

up most of the relationship.

27:49

Yeah, if you've been in a polycuele for thirty

27:51

five years, go rob the FBI.

27:53

You owe it to each other.

27:56

It'll bring the sparkle they've been investigating

27:58

you for ashi. Get this now. Yeah.

28:04

So John Rains was

28:06

a religion professor at Temple University

28:09

who had ridden with the Freedom Writers, the

28:11

people who had forced integration into the South after

28:14

integration on public transit was

28:17

was federally mandated, but it was not actually

28:19

happening. A lot of people consciously

28:23

chose to desegregate the buses, and some

28:25

people like died for it and stuff. You know, you

28:28

can hear more about them in the Armed Civil Rights

28:30

episodes we did last year. While

28:32

doing that, he'd been arrested and

28:35

he actually almost got lynched from jail, as

28:37

in people stealing

28:39

him out of custody to do harm to him, but

28:42

a local black farmer put up his farm

28:44

as bail to get him out before anything happened

28:46

to him. Yeah, so he's seen some

28:48

shit his wife, Bonnie Rains,

28:51

who ends up being the one to keep

28:53

him courageous actually during it all. She

28:56

runs a daycare center and she's a grad student

28:58

studying child development. They

29:00

decided right after their marriage in nineteen

29:02

sixty two, so they've been together for about eight years at this point.

29:04

At least, they decided that

29:07

they were willing to risk their freedom in order to

29:09

oppose an injustice, which is the kind

29:11

of conversation you need to have with your partners.

29:15

Yeah, and the

29:18

couple they spent days agonizing over

29:20

whether or not they're going to throw down in this because it seemed

29:23

impossible. But in the end they were like, all

29:25

right, we're gonna do it. This

29:28

is like pretty tablet too, Like you can't

29:30

just like leave a kid with a tablet and

29:32

you know, go and like bringing

29:35

the FBI, you know what I'm saying. She

29:37

I like how that they had babysitters exactly.

29:40

She had to set up an entire, you know, fucking

29:42

daycare center, as is long

29:45

con to get to the FBI because someone's got

29:47

to do childcare for militant mamma.

29:49

And I love her, Yeah,

29:52

no, totally, and that she comes

29:54

up a lot of I don't think she was named in the book the

29:57

there's one book about all this. We'll talk about why

29:59

in a little bit. It's called the Burglary. And

30:01

I don't remember if the babysitter gets named,

30:04

but she comes up a lot because childcare matters

30:07

during all of this. William's

30:09

wife is in on it, but she doesn't

30:11

doing it basically because

30:14

he's like not trying to hide shift from his wife because

30:16

he's a decent wife guy of history, which is my um,

30:19

Sophie and I current project that we're working

30:21

on as decent wife guys of history. I

30:23

love that. And

30:26

I don't know, you know what I mean? Yeah,

30:30

totally. The bars on the floor picked

30:32

up your feet, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

30:35

yeah, yeah, I love that. I want like

30:37

a coin collection. Speaking of coins, we should

30:40

place Reagan with those dudes. Get

30:43

David in on there. Absolutely

30:48

um. And so she decides,

30:50

she's like, look, I'm not going to stop you, but

30:52

this is idiotic. I'm not having anything to do

30:55

with this. The next person

30:57

Keith for Synth he's an easy

31:00

cell. He was more or less a full

31:02

time hippie anti war guy who drove a cab

31:04

part time to fund his revolution hobby.

31:07

And William was like, hey, Bud, you want

31:09

to break into the FBI office? And Keith was

31:11

like, I don't know, is that possible? And William

31:14

was like, well, I checked out two of them.

31:16

The one in Philly is a nog. But there's

31:18

a small one in this town called Media, which is outside

31:20

of outside of Pennsylvania.

31:22

It's in Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia. M

31:25

love the name. Pennsylvania has too many

31:28

long names that start with P. Pennsylvania,

31:30

Pittsburgh, and Philly Philadelphia are all the

31:33

same word, so it's hard to distinguish between

31:35

they are the same word. Yeah,

31:38

I'm glad you agree. I agree? Oh completely.

31:41

Keith is like all right, let

31:43

me go check it out. And he drives over

31:45

to Media and he goes and he like walks into

31:47

the building because the office is like kind of in

31:49

an apartment building on the ground floor you got to walk into.

31:52

The ground floor was shared hallway.

31:54

And he looks at it and he looks at the locks and he's

31:56

like, yeah, all right, I could pick that

31:59

lock. And he leaves, you know, um,

32:01

and he's in I'm sorry,

32:03

sir, can I help you? Nope? Just

32:06

check. He's man like,

32:09

okay, yeah, totally, probably

32:12

dresses a hippie the whole time, and like with

32:14

his cab out front, totally. And then

32:16

there's Bob Williamson. There's

32:20

Bob Williamson. And it is not fair

32:22

to my brain that there's a William david In

32:25

and a Bob Williamson. There's also

32:28

same name. Bob and Bill are

32:30

the same name. Bob had dropped out

32:32

of college to focus on ending the war. As

32:35

someone who dropped out, I dropped

32:37

out of college to focus on anarchy. So I love you, Bob,

32:39

even though your name is entirely forgettable. But

32:42

maybe this is why they were never caught, as they all have

32:44

these impossible to remember names. Yeah,

32:46

the Bill or Bob, you know William Oh,

32:48

Billy, Billy, damn

32:50

it. They probably were looking for O. A

32:53

Davidson.

32:56

No, there's no Davidson. No, we got

32:58

it done. That's not a real name. Nobody's

33:00

named David did not

33:03

here, never heard of it. Must be

33:05

foreign. Yeah,

33:07

yes, I'm scary. So

33:11

Bob was a social worker to fund

33:13

his revolution, Hobby william

33:15

was like, hey, Bob, do you want to do this shit? And Bob was

33:17

like, yeah, that's what was born for. Let's do this

33:19

shit, there's a couple more

33:21

in the team. There's Susan Smith

33:24

and this one. I want to be like, what the fuck? This name is too

33:26

forgettable? But this one, that's actually the point.

33:28

This is a pseudonym. She never gave her real name

33:30

to the journalist. Wasn't Susan Smith

33:32

the woman who killed her kids also?

33:35

Or is that that? Like? Oh god, I don't know. At

33:38

some point, I mean, you know,

33:40

sometimes women do bad stuff too. Let's

33:43

see true, Yeah,

33:45

murdered her two sons

33:48

different, but any assuming this is a different

33:50

Smith because this one

33:52

was in ninety four. This is very different.

33:55

But sorry, that's where Susan Smith is. Yes,

33:57

like objectively the most nondescript name.

34:00

Yeah, we don't know too much about

34:02

her. She didn't talk as much about

34:05

her life and stuff. I do know that she wants

34:07

built a cabin in the woods by herself to teach

34:09

herself carpentry before all of this, which

34:12

I did too, and so I think it's fucking awesome.

34:14

Yeah, but did you use

34:17

the Internet? Yes?

34:19

I relied heavily on YouTube.

34:22

I assume Susan Smith relied heavily on YouTube

34:24

as well. I mean, how else would you learn how to build your own

34:26

cabin. Thank you. You're right, you're right, both

34:28

of you used YouTube, Yeah,

34:31

exactly, sure. Yeah.

34:33

She went to their physicist friend, got a time machine,

34:36

went forward in time, used YouTube

34:39

back in time, built the cabin. Probably

34:42

she bought David in an s for his name

34:45

and on

34:47

Sesame Street

34:49

and his coat, which went to fucking

34:51

Wheel of Fortune not yet a show. M

34:54

Ands brought it back into the seventies

34:57

and we're good to go. Nowhe's gonna mispronounce your

34:59

name. No exactly.

35:02

She took some convincing that she wanted to do

35:04

the burglary, not because she

35:07

didn't want to, not because she thought

35:09

was impossible, but because she was actually more of the stand

35:11

around and get arrested type. But

35:13

when ship needed burglary, she

35:15

was willing. And then you got

35:18

Ron Durst, another pseudonym. He

35:20

was a grad student. He's in. And

35:22

then the last recruit is Judy Finegold

35:25

and she's nineteen years old. She's a Quaker,

35:28

lesbian activist living in women's

35:30

housing cooperatives. And she

35:32

was the only one who had never broken into a draft

35:34

board before. And she's in. You

35:37

know, I just want to say that when

35:39

you just give the backgrounds of all these people. It reminds

35:41

me of a thing I learned, you know, during the Iraq

35:44

War and sort of being an activist and looking

35:46

back and my all my mentors are from

35:48

this decade, from this, you know, Aunt's Vietnam

35:51

War generation and the fact that you

35:53

could do things part time and still live

35:55

and survive and still be an activist

35:58

where I mean, it's hard. It's

36:01

the reason why they do, you know, Like

36:03

corporations are obviously in cahoots with government

36:06

to squelch us and squeeze us even more than

36:08

we can, because they do not want anyone

36:10

with any time on their hands to act, to

36:12

activate and to organize for a better condition.

36:14

Like that's it. People were on wealth.

36:17

Yeah, people were living on welfare, using

36:19

food stamps and living

36:22

in like collective houses where they could like

36:24

plot how to stop the Vietnam War, plot

36:26

how to like start revolution and do cool

36:28

shit and like and there

36:31

is nothing wrong. Again, the

36:33

vast majority of people who are on food stamps

36:36

are not revolutionaries plotting revolution.

36:38

But it was an added perk. And for

36:41

sure, the ass wipes of history like

36:44

Hoover definitely ensured

36:47

that in the future no longer

36:49

would we be free enough to work part

36:51

time jobs potentially you know,

36:53

be on food stamps and then plot revolution

36:56

in the spare time. That's all I wanted to say. There's

36:58

just less of a social safety net. Now, I think it's about

37:00

design. It

37:03

makes sense because like the socially conservative

37:05

people, it's it's one of the reasons why I don't

37:07

agree with accelerationism, right, is this idea

37:10

like things don't have to get worse before

37:12

they get better. That's not true. Yeah

37:15

that happened, Like

37:18

so yeah, that's the whole thing. Sorry, but that's the whole thing with

37:20

like when you realize when Nixon

37:23

came to power, you know, or like

37:25

no, yeah, or yeah,

37:27

exactly when Nixon came to power, it was like the

37:30

height of the fucking anti

37:32

Vietnam War movement, um

37:35

like and anyway,

37:37

all to say like we made such

37:39

a right word heel turn with him when at

37:41

a moment when so many revolutionaries thought we were

37:43

going to go in a different direction, that

37:46

the war was going to end, when it didn't, and

37:49

then Reagan came along, and it's like, nah, man,

37:51

things don't they actually get progressively worse? Now

37:53

we have just like you know, the zombified

37:56

Reagan, you know, incarnate,

38:00

Yeah, which fortunately

38:02

you can purchase as I'm not gonna

38:04

do an abtransition. So

38:08

they formed the Citizens Commission to Investigate

38:10

the FBI. That's the name of their group. I

38:13

love that you have this, Like the East Coast

38:15

Conspiracy to Save Lives, the Citizens

38:17

Commission to Investigate the FBI. These

38:20

are classy names, and

38:22

they have their security culture down. Normally,

38:25

all of these draft raids no

38:27

security culture. People are loose talking

38:29

about it, probably because go to jail for

38:31

justice is like a big part of the culture they're in.

38:34

But they knew the ship was different. What

38:36

they were doing was dangerous, hard, likely to

38:38

fail, likely to fuck up all of their lives

38:41

forever. It rules that the exact

38:43

opposite happens. And

38:47

yeah, most draft raiders were like showing up

38:49

in like jeans and a T shirt with like a Duffel

38:51

bag and just to run out with draft

38:53

cards or whatever, maybe a ladder

38:55

or whatever the fuck you know, hide in a closet, tells some

38:57

jokes have

38:59

a good time. This wouldn't

39:01

do for the New Action. They have briefcases,

39:04

they have non hippie clothes. They

39:07

decided that no one can invite anyone else

39:09

or tell anyone else, and that afterwards

39:11

they would never associate with each other again and

39:13

they would carry the secret to their grave. They

39:16

also developed really important security culture

39:18

protocol is like don't sound sketchy

39:21

over the phone, don't say things

39:23

like I probably shouldn't tell you over

39:25

the phone. Just don't talk

39:27

about shit like that over the phone. Yeah,

39:31

it's very good that they had this protocol. The FBI

39:34

was absolutely tapping on all of their phones, yea,

39:38

and yet they still pulled this off. They

39:40

picked March eighth, nineteen seventy

39:42

one is the date so that everyone, including

39:44

cops and neighbors would be distracted

39:47

by the Fight of the Century because

39:50

Muhammad Ali is back in the story.

39:52

Oh shit, the guy

39:55

who got the championship belt after a stripped from

39:57

Ali. His name is Joe Frazier and

39:59

he had never beaten Muhammad Ali. So people

40:01

are kind of like, I mean, like, yeah, I guess

40:04

you're the heavyweight champion in the world. I mean, you didn't

40:06

beat the last one, but you know whatever,

40:09

you got the bell's shiny a nice

40:11

bell. Muhammad Ali

40:13

had defended the title nine times before

40:15

this successfully, so no one believed

40:17

that Joe Frasier was the heavyweight champion of the

40:20

world, so Frasier wanted to fight

40:22

Ali. Frasier put it like

40:24

this, I went down

40:26

to DC to help Ali get his license back.

40:29

President Nixon invited him me up for tea.

40:31

Joe, if I do that, can you take

40:34

him? I said, you dust

40:36

him off, I'll beat him up. Nixon

40:38

kept his word, so did I. Jesus,

40:41

Yeah, it get presented. It gets presented

40:43

sometimes as they

40:46

were totally fine with each other, and

40:48

Joe was like looking out for

40:50

Ali and helping him get his license

40:53

back. And it was just because Muhammad

40:55

Ali was like such an asshole and like talked

40:57

so much shit. That's why they stopped being But

41:01

I think that's probably not the whole of it.

41:03

Based on this quote in the Oscar Award

41:05

winning um version of it,

41:08

it is definitely Joe Frasier

41:10

who is the protagonist and helps

41:13

Muhammad Ali ulive

41:15

his career. No, I'm saying in the future, in the future,

41:18

oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll

41:20

be yeah exactly, just because you know

41:22

a Lah green book, Allah crash

41:25

allah, all of the other sort of like whitewashed,

41:27

you know, versions of history where like like God

41:29

come to rescue. Oh Joe's

41:31

actually black too, is worth knowing,

41:34

damn it. But forget

41:36

everything. Also said no,

41:38

delete all that, Yeah, completely delete.

41:41

I'm just kidding. You don't have to, Okay. But

41:43

one of the things that's interesting, and he's

41:46

kind of the like he's presented as

41:48

the great white hope even though he's a black

41:50

man. M and so we'll

41:53

get into some of the complicated stuff of that.

41:56

Well fuck it, okay. So, like, so Frasier's

41:58

build as the great white hope humanity or whatever. Fucking

42:01

nonsense, because Ali was into black power and

42:03

was Muslim. The two had kind of

42:05

been friends for a while, but that they let the division

42:07

get to them. Did Fraser serve?

42:10

Did he go to Vietnam? This is a no,

42:12

He didn't. Neither one served. However,

42:14

he was an anti war so then he was

42:17

like, right, yeah, the

42:19

world wanted to see them fight real bad

42:21

as basically left versus right, or

42:23

rather revolution versus

42:26

the establishment. By

42:28

the way, it's very sad that I don't know my history. But Joe

42:31

Frasier is just like the whitest sounding name. Okay,

42:33

keep going, Oh no, no, yeah, I

42:35

understand. Also, he's literally

42:38

being presented as the Great White Hope, which I feel bad

42:40

for him in terms of that, and he

42:43

after all of this, Muhammad Ali and Joe Frasier

42:45

of a complicated relationship where often they

42:47

do become friends again. And I think that

42:49

this is like, not

42:52

Joe Frasier's fault is my rest

42:54

he was utilised as a sort of tool,

42:56

yeah, to for all the things. It's

42:59

I mean, it's because we have a culture war now and

43:01

it's amazing. We think it's new. It's not. It's

43:04

super old. It was the culture war then, yeah,

43:07

yeah, exactly. This is

43:09

the biggest deal sporting event in modern

43:11

history. There might have been coliseum

43:14

shit that compared. Who knows it gets referred

43:16

to as the greatest sporting event in history, but

43:18

I mean colseums really big.

43:21

I don't know anyway, So

43:24

it's a really good night to go rob a place.

43:27

While the two of them are fighting, a

43:29

bunch of other burglars realized this exact

43:31

same thing actually, and like the

43:33

next morning, the FBI agent was like

43:36

late to getting into the office to realize it's been burglarized

43:38

because he'd been going dealing with the

43:40

effects of these other bank robberies

43:43

that had happened, and so good. I

43:46

secretly hope it was some of our burglars friends

43:48

who were like, yeah, if you want to rub a bank,

43:50

yeah, we're playing in this other thing. You know, it's

43:52

not really about peace or whatnot,

43:55

but we're gonna get rich and stay out of jail

43:57

anyone. And they're like, no, yeah, we're

44:00

ye going doing it for peace. Yeah,

44:04

or you could rob a bank so that you could afford

44:06

the fine goods and services that sponsor this

44:08

podcast, and

44:14

we're back. So for

44:17

three months, more nights than not, they go over

44:19

to the Rain's household, the married couple, and they

44:21

eat dinner. Then some of them would drive out to

44:23

media and case the place every

44:25

single night, which seems

44:27

kind of like overkill, but I know nothing

44:30

about burglary, and these people pulled off one of the most

44:32

impactful ones in history, so I guess

44:34

it's what to do. They

44:36

tracked regularities, what time neighbors

44:39

came home, how many cars came down the street, when cops

44:41

drove by in patrol, what time bars

44:43

closed nearby, all kinds of shit. They

44:45

also tracked irregularities, how often

44:48

random should happened. But they decided

44:50

in the end they could only control for regularities,

44:52

and then the fact that irregular should happened, they

44:54

just would have to take their chances. And

44:57

they did this caseinge and male female compare

45:00

so that if anyone saw them they could just like make out

45:02

and be like, oh, we're just like making it out in a

45:04

car. It's like totally not case

45:07

in the FBI headquarters. Does

45:09

media still exist as

45:12

an FBI headquarters or as

45:14

an FBI like outpost? Do

45:16

we know? I don't know, someone

45:19

knows it does get a lot of

45:21

the offices get closed after this particular

45:24

thing. Okay, okay, sorry, keep going yeah

45:26

yeah, And so okay, they go and they check it

45:28

out. They go and check out what's going on. Then they go back

45:30

home. They go up to the attic of the Rains's

45:32

house and they tack notes on the wall

45:34

and maps and shit, probably like connecting

45:37

everything with string and staring excitedly at

45:39

the camera like the guy from the meme. They

45:42

planned a getaway route. Yeah, I just

45:44

I love their vision board.

45:46

It's such a good vision board. They

45:48

planned to getaway routes, entrances, all

45:51

of it. A bunch of the burglars started crashing

45:53

at the in the attic on couches, probably

45:55

all the hippies who drove

45:57

cabs part time or whatever. But

46:00

a couple weeks into it, on January twelfth,

46:02

nineteen seventy one, our man, William

46:04

Daviden. He gets named as

46:07

an unindicted conspirator in the bullshit

46:09

case. The hoover was building the blow up steam

46:11

tunnels and like kidnapped. Come

46:13

on, keep david In out of your mouth.

46:15

You'd probably call him Davidson anyway,

46:18

I know. So they're busy

46:20

trying to break into the FBI headquarters. And meanwhile

46:23

the guy who brought them all together, who's presented

46:25

as the leader and might have been and started

46:27

to tell with historical things. Everyone wants to pick

46:30

a leader, but his name

46:32

is all over the papers. This

46:34

is not the best, no, But he keeps just doing

46:36

his usual shit. Now he stays in

46:38

ooh interesting, I

46:41

know, so David and keeps

46:43

doing his usual shit, like he's

46:45

in Puerto Rico protesting the Navy

46:47

or some shit, while he's in the middle of planning this whole

46:49

thing. Yeah, hiding

46:52

in plain site has been an effective strategy for

46:54

centuries, indeed, And they just keep

46:56

going fuck it, decide not to worry about Williams

46:58

brush with fame. The lock guy,

47:00

Keith he made his own lock picks

47:03

for this, so that there's no way to trace the purchase

47:05

back to anywhere, no way to be like, oh, it's this

47:07

type of lock back smart. He

47:10

bought two locks similar to the five pin tumbler

47:12

on the door to the FBI office. And then

47:15

in full not even

47:17

oceans, maybe oceans, there's like full fast

47:19

and furious moment they

47:21

hang drywall in the attic and install a

47:23

replica of the door so Keith can practice

47:25

I love that love. That's all

47:27

hard, you know. This is the thing with like

47:30

smartphones and all the data collection is

47:32

like you just can't pull off the FBI break

47:34

in that you want, you know, you just very

47:37

very difficult nowadays. And

47:39

also that's why the

47:42

cash list system is anti revolutionary,

47:44

counter revolutionary. You know. It's like, yeah, they

47:47

have us, you know, using our fucking Apple

47:50

pay and credit cards. You can be traced

47:52

in a second. Yeah, buy

47:55

with cash, yeah

47:57

or diy as Keith did

48:00

right, Yeah, because I mean even they try

48:02

and get that kind of record. Later they

48:04

case the inside too. There's a

48:06

previous one. But time is short, so I'm going to

48:08

go over the main time they case the inside. Bonnie

48:11

Rains. She called up and

48:13

she's like, Hi, I'm a student

48:15

and I was wondering if I could interview someone for about

48:18

thirty minutes about the FBI's hiring practices.

48:21

The FBI was not hiring women agents at

48:23

this point, but it was like around the time

48:25

they were starting to consider it. So there's I think,

48:28

I think that's kind of the vibe she's going for. They

48:31

say yes. She goes in two

48:33

weeks before the burglary, and she plays the

48:36

role of the kind of dumb girl

48:38

who flatters the guy a lot, which

48:40

men always fall for. I'm

48:43

discussed like my whole persona.

48:45

It's amazing how

48:48

consistently this works. Persona.

48:50

Whenever I do, like, you know, field pieces if

48:52

I have to play them the journalist and get

48:55

disarm people and then smile and pretend

48:57

like you don't understand. Yeah,

49:01

yeah, but massive

49:03

pieces of shit. Yeah oh I

49:05

don't mean that in a bag you Yeah

49:07

no, no, no, it's embarrassing for them exactly.

49:10

Yeah. That that it that

49:12

men always fall for. It is what's embarrassing.

49:14

Yeah. She wears gloves

49:16

the whole time to avoid leaving fingerprints. It's

49:19

February in Pennsylvania, so it must have gone

49:21

unnoticed, very unnoticed. Yes, she

49:24

wore her hair up in a way. She'd never worn it at

49:26

any anti war demo, so whenever she went

49:28

to an anti war demo, she kept her hair in two braids.

49:31

Um, but she like wore it up in a very

49:33

different way in order to be avoid matched to photos,

49:36

which literally saved

49:38

them. All of these details saved them because there

49:40

was a massive investigation, and

49:42

she went in and she was like high receptionist guy,

49:44

can I see an application for him? To get him to go to the

49:46

filing cabinet to see if it was locked

49:48

or not. She which it wasn't.

49:51

She visually traced every single wire she

49:53

saw to figure out which ones were phones, which ones

49:55

were air conditioners, and that none of them were

49:57

alarm wires. She

50:00

saw that the second door of the hallway was blocked

50:02

by a huge, heavy filing cabinet. She

50:05

just fucking does

50:07

it. She's just such a good job casing the place.

50:10

And then a few days

50:12

before it, another really big bad thing

50:15

happens. Someone chickens out. There

50:18

was a ninth person who was never

50:20

even named. It all this I think his name is Peter

50:22

or something. He backs out, even

50:25

though he knows all of it and he could

50:27

have exposed them. They kept they keep

50:29

going, and

50:31

then this part feels

50:33

like I'm making it up. I'm not right

50:37

before it, like a couple of days before it,

50:40

William David and who he's invited

50:42

to the Whitehouse to meet Kissinger. Yes,

50:45

yes, go go yeah,

50:48

but why like as an

50:50

olive bridge, what are they why do they

50:52

want and we need a physicist. It's

50:55

a it's like a publicity stunt

50:57

to show that he's it's

50:59

it's one. It's to show that he like is talking

51:01

to the anti war left, because Kissinger at this point

51:04

is playing both sides. This is before Kissinger

51:06

is just a like bomb them all and let him God,

51:08

let God sort him out. He's doing

51:11

that, but he's like, oh, I really hate

51:13

that I'm bombing everyone. It's so hard

51:15

for Yeah,

51:18

yeah, I love that. I yes, I

51:20

love it. He's Oh, this guy's mild mannered. Let's

51:22

let's invite him. I don't be a

51:25

great photo opportunity. And it's

51:27

also to show that he's not afraid of the kidnapping

51:29

plot. Oh god, we're still

51:31

on that at huh yeah,

51:33

So William David Daviden

51:37

goes in with someone whose name is frustratingly

51:39

David sin rather than David in stop.

51:42

I think they

51:45

need more names. You can't just take a letter

51:47

out and call it a new name. Absolutely talking

51:50

to you, George, RR, Martin and

51:53

M. And then a nun

51:56

who whose name I didn't write down because I'm a jerk, because

51:58

it didn't the only reason I wrote down Davidson's

52:00

name is because it annoyed me. They talk about

52:03

the war. The anti war activists are

52:05

like the war is bad. Kissinger's

52:07

like I'm listening to what you're saying.

52:10

And then um oh and then the

52:12

whole time like um, David and comes

52:14

in with buttons in his bag.

52:16

Let's say kidnap Kissinger

52:18

question mark if everyone

52:20

finds its hilarious, So the guards

52:23

put on kidnap Kissinger like

52:26

badges is this?

52:28

Like He's like, I was gonna tell a really long joke

52:31

about it, but I just my wife said

52:33

you're just to make buttons instead. So kidnap

52:37

that's probably what happened. Yeah, yeah,

52:40

that's really funny. Wait what he

52:42

brought buttons to the kidnap? What happened like,

52:45

why, what did they did? They freak the

52:47

fuck out? No, he so

52:49

he goes through the metal detector and

52:51

it picks up the buttons. So they

52:53

take them out and they all have a laugh and

52:56

the guards put on the badges. Yeah,

53:01

and then they get chewed the fuck out

53:03

later by higher ups for having done this. So

53:07

and then you know, they left.

53:10

Kissinger went on to keep blowing up innocent people

53:12

everywhere and frustratingly live.

53:14

That's a thing. He's famous for still

53:17

being alive one day. If you're listening

53:19

to this in the future, maybe you can look

53:21

back and smile and say the things have changed.

53:24

Then the day came. The rains

53:27

are a bit late because their babysitter was late,

53:29

which is the most relatable part of this whole thing. John

53:33

the husband guy, he's sick with worry.

53:36

I feel you, John. They all meet up at a motel

53:38

they've rented. One of them rented

53:41

this place with their legal name. It's sort of a miracle

53:43

this didn't get them caught. Oh WHOA

53:46

totally against protocol. Yeah.

53:50

The thought was that they were like, if

53:52

we do this, it'll like seem more normal, even

53:54

nothing to hide or whatever. But like it's like literally

53:57

they like cross reference the names of everyone

53:59

who checked out hotels in that area versus

54:01

like names of suspects and anti

54:03

war people, and it's like literally

54:06

a coincidence. That are literally

54:08

luck that it wasn't noticed, you know. And

54:11

Susan Smith, the woman who not the murderer

54:13

but the one who built a cabinet, was this

54:17

was the first time in years she'd worn a skirt

54:20

and it was the last time she ever did so in

54:22

her life. Oh bless her. Yeah.

54:26

Meanwhile, in Madison Square Garden, Ali

54:28

and Fraser meet up to duke it out, and

54:30

the world was glued themselves. They glued

54:32

themselves to radios and TVs. Three hundred

54:35

million people were watching or listening all

54:38

over the world. People are watching except in the

54:40

US because you're not allowed to watch it

54:42

in the US. Excuse

54:45

me. The promoters

54:47

wanted as much money as possible, so you

54:49

could only watch it in the US by going

54:51

to the Madison Square Garden or going to one

54:53

of three hundred theaters that was broadcasting

54:56

it. So people in the US were glued

54:58

to their radios. I know other

55:00

countries, literally entire governments

55:02

would pay in order

55:04

to let it get broadcasts. For free to their population.

55:07

Oh we've been nickel and diming

55:10

people on this page. They didn't

55:12

even have pay per view at that point. It's like the

55:14

precursor to a pay per view. Yeah,

55:17

but I'm sure people were listening on the radio, not

55:19

even is it one of those like everyone's

55:22

listening on the radio, Which is

55:25

how we know about co intel pro is because

55:27

everyone was too busy listening

55:29

to the radio to notice a break

55:31

in. Keith the lock

55:33

pick goes first. His job is to

55:35

open the door and then get the fuck out of there. He

55:37

has a brief case of tools. Each one's wrapped to

55:39

keep it silent. He has normal leather

55:42

gloves over rubber gloves underneath because

55:44

he needs to take off the leather gloves in order to pick

55:46

the lock. And he picks the lock, and

55:49

then he noticed there was a second lock two which

55:51

he hadn't noticed, and it was a

55:53

high security lock that he couldn't pick. He

55:56

freaks out. He goes back to the hotel

55:58

and he's like, fuck are we gonna

56:00

do? And everyone's like, I

56:02

don't know what the fuck are we gonna do? And then finally they're

56:05

like, all right, let's just break down the door. Fuck it like

56:07

in for a penny. So he goes

56:09

back and he goes to the second

56:12

door, the one that has

56:14

blocked by a filing cabinet, and

56:16

he rips out the dead bolt or the

56:18

crowbar, but

56:20

then there's the filing cabinet. So

56:23

he goes back to the car. He gets a long bar for

56:25

an old fashioned jack stand. He goes back inside.

56:27

He lays down on the floor and he

56:29

like lifts and walks the filing

56:31

cabinet over with his back on the floor

56:34

and a long bar under the door.

56:37

It's really lucky that no one walked by while

56:39

he's doing this. I'm

56:42

sorry, sir, are you supposed to

56:44

be here? It looks like you're playing limbo

56:47

with that. Finally gets oh, yeah, no, just

56:50

you know, mister Hoover is he's always

56:53

there was a paperback here and I'm

56:55

just here a fine little miss. Don't

56:58

you worry. You're pretty little. I hear there's a fight

57:00

on. I bet you can still catch the end

57:02

of it. Yeah.

57:04

I don't really like I don't really like boxing.

57:06

Just go watch a goddamn fight. Yeah,

57:09

listen, I mean listen, so

57:13

Keith. He gets the filing cabinet out of the way.

57:16

He goes inside, he moves the filing cabalotle but

57:18

further so everyone get through. His part is

57:20

done. He drives off out of the hotel and into

57:22

history, well into obscurity for forty years.

57:24

And then that is a huge part more than Keith

57:26

signed up for. Keith could have called it at any point

57:28

and instead going yeah,

57:31

no, I I really

57:35

that crime brain of like when you're doing something

57:37

really sketchy as an activist and you're like, well,

57:40

I'm gonna do this, so I really

57:42

need to disassociate and get this done. It's

57:44

a powerful feeling that I don't know. I don't

57:46

want to say everyone should have at some point in their life because it sucks.

57:49

But right, I mean things, things are not going to go

57:51

to plan, and you're like, but I'm not actually

57:53

hurting anybody, This doesn't right,

57:55

I've already picked the lock once, so suspicions

57:58

on them anyway, right, right,

58:00

totally, So yeah,

58:02

it's not You're going to get investigated no matter what.

58:05

No, no, exactly. That's

58:07

a that's such a good point. Four burglars

58:09

head to the office. They slip inside with luggage

58:12

sized suitcases in their business

58:14

clothes, and they just rob

58:16

everything. They take every file

58:19

out of the place. They rip open the locked

58:21

cabinets with screwdrivers because some of them are locked,

58:23

some of them aren't. They work mostly in the dark

58:25

to avoid flashlights showing through the blinds. There's

58:27

like one person with the flashlights going over and like

58:29

holding his hand over the light as each person

58:32

needs it. Damn. They

58:34

don't leave a single fingerprint. They

58:37

called the motel from the office's phone,

58:40

which blows my mind, in

58:42

order to give a signal. But it

58:45

worked. It wasn't their own phone

58:47

wasn't tapped, I guess. And it's

58:49

just some that's just some seventy fifty year

58:51

ago shit. You know you couldn't star sixty

58:54

nine, you dumb dumb I don't

58:59

ironically sixty nine Star sixty nine,

59:01

not a thing star sent one,

59:05

Yeah, exactly. And so

59:08

the rest of them is outside in getaway

59:10

cars. And then Bonnie, who is really good

59:12

at playing the like dumb helpless woman who's

59:14

smartest shit, She is

59:16

hanging out outside with her car fake

59:19

broken down with the hood up, like being

59:21

like, oh, how does this work? Getting

59:23

ready in case a cop or someone comes to distract.

59:26

The buttons come undone

59:28

as well, yeah, exactly,

59:32

Um, yeah, it's

59:34

not necessary. They load the suitcases into trunks

59:36

of cars, they drive away,

59:39

and they go to another parking lot. They swap cars.

59:41

They split up to reconvene later, and they

59:43

don't go back to the motel. They go to

59:45

a farmhouse that they were lent by friends

59:47

of the podcast, the Quaker community. Hey,

59:51

the Quakers are like, you need you

59:54

need a farmhouse, no questions asked. Of

59:56

course, you can have it. And

59:59

one of the their final escape cars was

1:00:02

an old fashioned station wagon I think with the

1:00:04

wood paneling and everything. The photo is black and

1:00:06

white, so I'm not certain, but I really love

1:00:08

those old station wagons with wood paneling,

1:00:10

so I wanted to be that it

1:00:12

was the Rain's family car. Oh

1:00:15

yeah, I was just gonna say, that's a perfect family

1:00:17

getaway car. Yeah. Nobody suspects

1:00:19

that car. Yeah, exactly.

1:00:22

And the whole time they're like, God, I hope this hunch

1:00:24

was right, that there's anything worthwhile

1:00:27

in these files that were ripping out of some tiny

1:00:30

office, and there was. Within

1:00:33

an hour, they go to the farmhouse and they all just start pouring

1:00:35

through the documents. Within an hour, they make their first

1:00:37

discovery and I think it's worth highlighting

1:00:40

that this is the first thing they found, because I think it's one of the most

1:00:42

important things. They found, a memo advising

1:00:44

agents to quote enhance the paranoia,

1:00:47

that there's an quote an FBI

1:00:50

agent behind every mailbox. They

1:00:55

read until five am. Then they went about

1:00:57

their lives to avoid suspicion. So like

1:00:59

everyone like showing up at work the next day on State

1:01:02

Brooks. I think it's fascinating they immediately

1:01:04

got to work like that they maybe

1:01:06

knew they had limited time, but that it wasn't

1:01:08

like right, like their work wasn't done once

1:01:10

they got whatever they got from there, they were like, no,

1:01:12

no, we're trying to read and digest as

1:01:14

much as we can as fast as possible, right.

1:01:18

And I almost decided

1:01:20

to make this a four parter and didn't do it because there's a bunch

1:01:22

of stuff I'm going to skip over here about like

1:01:24

how hard it is for them to get anyone

1:01:26

to listen to them about this, and like there's

1:01:29

like a lot of there's a lot

1:01:31

more shit. One guy,

1:01:33

the grad student. He stays to guard the student

1:01:35

the documents twenty four seven at the farmhouse,

1:01:38

and then one of them calls a reporter at six thirty

1:01:40

in the morning from a pay phone to announce what they've

1:01:42

done. It's a pretty good statement, but one

1:01:44

line of it stands out. Quote,

1:01:47

we believe that a law and order which depends

1:01:49

on intimidation and repression to secure

1:01:51

obedience can have but one name, and

1:01:53

that name is tyranny. It's

1:01:56

fucking cool and

1:01:58

one of the mild man things that they do. They

1:02:01

actually throw out all the documents that are

1:02:03

about like regular crime. Mm.

1:02:06

Nice. They like they're like not trying

1:02:08

to expose all

1:02:10

FBI agents or something, right, They're

1:02:13

specifically focusing on co intel pro

1:02:15

which they don't even know if this is how we learn about

1:02:17

it, but like they don't know it exists yet. They're just like,

1:02:19

we know your asses are tapping us. We

1:02:21

know that you guys are on peace activists,

1:02:24

civil rights activists, so

1:02:27

we want to find proof. Yeah,

1:02:30

And so they delivered the biggest blow the

1:02:32

FBI has ever received. Two

1:02:35

one night, two hundred agents were transferred to

1:02:37

Philly to track down the files. They're given

1:02:40

so much overtime that they all like bought sports

1:02:42

cars and shit. Their

1:02:44

first suspect was the reporter because

1:02:46

the reporter called the FBI and was like, whoa

1:02:49

is it? Truely your office was broken into and they're

1:02:51

like, how do you know that? Soon they had three

1:02:53

main suspects, the unknown woman

1:02:55

who had come in who you know was

1:02:58

one of the burglars, that

1:03:00

guy John Grady, who is the obvious would

1:03:02

be leader, and the

1:03:05

other guy who dropped out at the last minute,

1:03:07

which means it's good that that guy dropped

1:03:09

out at the last minute. Hell yeah, poor guy.

1:03:12

He was like, damn it, I know I could

1:03:14

have just done it anyway. I

1:03:16

know he was followed twenty

1:03:18

four seven for months afterwards. Soon

1:03:21

after, they're investigating every hippie and anti war

1:03:23

protester and Catholic peace activists they can imagine,

1:03:26

and it's so unfocused and frantic

1:03:28

that it's ineffective because they search,

1:03:31

they investigate everybody. They investigate

1:03:34

four of the

1:03:36

burglars, right, but they

1:03:38

don't. They're investigating so many people

1:03:40

that they don't get anywhere.

1:03:43

I mean, this is like then you low and behold like

1:03:46

whatever. Fifty years later you get warrantless

1:03:48

wire tapping and like meta whatever,

1:03:50

what was it? Metadata or just like the

1:03:52

amount of information the NSA

1:03:55

had or has on us and

1:03:57

it's like to what end ye dingdong?

1:04:00

I know what. Unfortunately AI is going to help that for

1:04:02

them. God damn it, don't say that.

1:04:06

Yeah. Two of the people

1:04:08

who wound up on the suspect list were the super

1:04:10

cool anarchists Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn

1:04:13

because they worked with an organization. Oh,

1:04:15

Noam Chomsky is still live. That's another are still alive?

1:04:18

Persons? Come on? Chomsky

1:04:21

beat Kissinger? Yes, please,

1:04:23

God damn it. They worked with an

1:04:25

organization called Resist that agreed to accept

1:04:28

the documents anonymously and remail them.

1:04:30

For the actual burglars ended up contacted

1:04:32

and investigated to no avail. After

1:04:36

the FBI visits, the activists learned what all activists

1:04:38

eventually learn. If the FBI visits you, it

1:04:41

means they don't have enough evidence to indict you. If

1:04:43

they know you actually did something, they don't visit

1:04:45

they arrest you. So you keep your mouth shut

1:04:48

and you'll probably be fine. If

1:04:50

you're visited by the FBI, dear listener

1:04:53

politely declined to talk to them. Tell them that if

1:04:55

they provide their name and information that you will have your

1:04:57

lawyer contact them, take their information, and

1:04:59

then contact lawyer The National Lawyers

1:05:01

Guild runs a hotline for free legal advice

1:05:03

for those who have been contacted by um by

1:05:06

the FBI. Thank you, Yeah

1:05:09

Solid PSA. They mailed

1:05:11

out the documents and then agreed to go no contact

1:05:13

with each other for the rest of their lives, except

1:05:15

for the husband and wife. I know. So

1:05:18

they kind of got lucky because they're the only two who can actually

1:05:20

talk to anyone about what the fuck they did. Seriously,

1:05:22

Okay, keep going, Sorry, I'm in thrall.

1:05:25

No, no, no. The homemade lockpicks

1:05:27

befuddled the experts because they couldn't

1:05:29

identify them, so the FEDS demanded

1:05:32

lists of every student from every lock

1:05:34

picking school in several states, the

1:05:37

lock picking University, Like, I

1:05:39

know, it's everyone knows. The way

1:05:41

that you learn lockpicking is you watch that guy Devan

1:05:44

Olaf on YouTube and he teaches you. Like,

1:05:48

I don't understand why they didn't just do that back

1:05:50

in the day. You learn shit by just being

1:05:52

bored to fucking tears and

1:05:55

fumbling and you're bored and you're bored.

1:05:57

Ah, you know everything

1:06:00

a rubics cube and it should return to

1:06:02

be just a rubics cube. The

1:06:04

burglars tried to copy the documents, but the

1:06:06

copier they'd bought for this, like well ahead of time,

1:06:09

was absolute shit. So in

1:06:11

order to get rid of the copier because they knew

1:06:13

it could be traced, an accomplice drove

1:06:15

the shitty machine to Ohio and left it in a

1:06:17

friend's garage, like one of those garages filled

1:06:19

with drunk and Ohio you know, oh yeah,

1:06:21

where it is probably still to this day.

1:06:24

I love that weight. They bought a cop that's so much

1:06:27

money, that's a huge investment,

1:06:29

and of course it craps out. Yeah.

1:06:32

So instead the burglars copy the documents

1:06:34

at work, release

1:06:38

their findings a bit by bit to the media to draw

1:06:40

evermore attention to them, and

1:06:43

the Washington Broke Post broke the

1:06:45

story. Other papers rushed to follow. The

1:06:48

FBI's reputation has forever been scarred.

1:06:51

People know what they're about now, what most people

1:06:53

do. Author Max Holland said, far

1:06:56

from being invincible, the FBI appeared merely

1:06:58

petty, obsessed with monitoring what

1:07:00

seemed to be in many cases, lawful descent.

1:07:04

They shut down Cointel pro officially.

1:07:07

It took a couple of years. It was like a bunch of investigations

1:07:09

and shit with

1:07:11

the claim that all further disinformation campaigns

1:07:14

would be conducted on a case by case basis

1:07:17

maybe true, but

1:07:20

they do an awful lot of fun creative this day. The

1:07:22

main difference now is that we know their playbook,

1:07:24

we know better how to cover it, how

1:07:26

to counter it. So they didn't

1:07:28

even know what this

1:07:31

straight up led to the end of co Intel

1:07:33

pro at least the actual official

1:07:36

program, the official program, even though of course,

1:07:38

yeah, they employ similar tactics. That's incredible.

1:07:41

So, like, we know this is happening. We know our

1:07:43

phones were tapped, we know you're infiltrating,

1:07:45

we know you are sowing discent within these

1:07:47

organizations that have led

1:07:50

to straight murders of people. We

1:07:53

just need the proof. Yeah,

1:07:55

and also like the scale of it, right, Like

1:07:57

they didn't know about the injecting

1:07:59

lax of lives into oranges until they

1:08:01

got these documents, you know, like like

1:08:04

and it's also awful because they found

1:08:07

they found out that there is an FBI agent

1:08:09

behind every mailbox. But they also found out that the entire

1:08:11

point is to make people worry that there's an FBI

1:08:13

agent behind every mailbox, you know, I mean this

1:08:15

is the thing about like, you know, it's so funny

1:08:18

about you know, our obsession with

1:08:20

foreigners like meddling in our democracy.

1:08:22

It's like, bitch, we do that to

1:08:24

one another, to ourselves, Yeah,

1:08:26

like exactly, you know, like cut

1:08:29

everyone in on it. You know the Russian Chinese,

1:08:31

they just went in. It's not like one

1:08:34

lead by example. You know,

1:08:36

once we can quit, then maybe

1:08:38

others will quit. Yeah

1:08:42

that's for our heroes. No, go ahead, Oh yeah, please

1:08:45

tell us of our heroes. Most

1:08:47

of them went on living their lives all normal and ship

1:08:50

keeping their heads low. One of them,

1:08:52

the nineteen year old Judy Finegold, the

1:08:56

lesbian Quaker. She took off with a backpack

1:08:58

and a sleeping bag, went out west and never came back.

1:09:00

She lived underground for about a decade, and then

1:09:03

she started working in the National parks. She

1:09:05

like contacted the lawyer and was like, yo,

1:09:07

would it be like really bad if I had committed

1:09:10

the following type of crime ten years ago to

1:09:12

come out, And the lawyer was like, I'm

1:09:15

not really sure. Even

1:09:17

though the statute of limitations was officially

1:09:19

five years five yeah.

1:09:22

Nine. Anyway, none of them ever

1:09:25

connected with one another again, which is a huge

1:09:27

part of how they weren't caught they finally came

1:09:29

forward, most of them to talk with a journalist

1:09:31

named Betty Medsker, who wrote

1:09:34

the book about all of this, The Burglary

1:09:36

Judy didn't actually come forward until the paperback

1:09:39

edition. Basically a couple people came

1:09:41

forward and everyone was like, wait,

1:09:43

I thought we weren't going to talk about what we're talking about this now?

1:09:46

Yeah. And

1:09:48

when I say until the paperback came out, she's

1:09:50

like, it's not real until the paperbacks out.

1:09:52

Well, I'm not going to spend thirty five dollars book.

1:09:56

Once the hardback came out, she contacted

1:09:58

and was like all right, me too, Oh, got

1:10:00

it, got it, got it. And then she was included. She was like, okay,

1:10:02

I needed She was out there,

1:10:04

you know, working the just

1:10:08

like working one of like basically

1:10:10

I imagine her in like Yosemite

1:10:13

or in like Yellowstone or whatnot, more

1:10:16

like Yosemite, just sort of leading tours,

1:10:18

you know, yeah, totally just

1:10:20

kind of like that gray haired like park ranger

1:10:23

hippie lady who's like, you know, telling you about

1:10:26

the different species of you know, birds

1:10:28

and the different like bark kinds of

1:10:30

bark and you're like, okay, lady, that's enough

1:10:32

Yeah. Yeah, that bit. That's a badass bitch

1:10:35

right there. Yeah, that bitch broke into the

1:10:37

FBI. Yeah exactly.

1:10:40

I love that. You

1:10:43

just have to think all

1:10:45

of these like random people, like people

1:10:47

can have these amazing secrets. You know. Oh,

1:10:50

I would definitely work in the National Parks for the rest

1:10:53

of my life if yeah, I did something like

1:10:55

this. Yeah. And when

1:10:57

I say keep their heads down, I really mean

1:10:59

keep doing what were doing. Two of them got

1:11:01

arrested that same year, in nineteen seventy

1:11:03

one as part of the Camden twenty

1:11:05

eight. Another Catholic left raid on a draft

1:11:08

board. That's right, And you

1:11:10

have to because that's the best cover if you

1:11:12

just disappeared, right if the because

1:11:14

the Barrigans were involved, right yeah,

1:11:17

not in this actually, oh not in the burglary.

1:11:20

They're involved in the Catholic left. Yah.

1:11:22

But the David didn't did David didn's if

1:11:25

the David did, If David didn't just stopped

1:11:27

doing David in stuff. As

1:11:30

soon as the FBI got broken into, Yeah, yeah,

1:11:32

people will be like what the hell? And or maybe

1:11:34

that meeting with Kissinger worked, you know, he's

1:11:37

like I converted him. Yeah,

1:11:39

maybe Kissinger was secretly behind it the whole

1:11:41

time. Kissinger,

1:11:44

Yeah, um swoke. Kissinger

1:11:47

is trying to argue that he's responsible

1:11:49

for the anti Vietnam War movement.

1:11:51

He was like, you see, I did the war

1:11:54

and then then then now you have the movement.

1:11:57

Yeah, exactly, like he really

1:11:59

wanted to. It was accelerationists, that's all.

1:12:01

I love it. So the

1:12:03

Camden twenty eight, forty

1:12:05

FBI agents watched all of it happened

1:12:07

because one of the twenty eight was a snitch, and

1:12:10

so the FBI paid for all their burglary tools

1:12:12

and shit, the stuff that we've been talking about

1:12:14

about how the FBI creates these situations.

1:12:17

The Camden twenty eight included priests, ministers,

1:12:20

vets, blue collar workers, middle aged parents.

1:12:23

All twenty eight agreed to be tried

1:12:25

together and they were facing more than forty

1:12:27

years. They were offered a really light plea

1:12:29

bargain and they refused it.

1:12:32

And this is like, that's some hard shit.

1:12:34

If someone's like, you know, you can either

1:12:36

stand up for your principles and take forty years maybe,

1:12:39

or get off on probation

1:12:42

and say you're sorry. I

1:12:44

might say I'm sorry. The Camden twenty

1:12:46

eight, they're made a harder shit. They

1:12:48

all refused the plea bargain. They

1:12:51

all decided to be tried together.

1:12:53

And sometime during all of this, the priests

1:12:56

and the nuns started calling it instead of civil disobedience,

1:12:58

divine obedience, I think is a clever

1:13:01

turn of phrase. And

1:13:04

their snitch had a change of

1:13:06

heart and testified for

1:13:08

the defense, revealing even

1:13:11

more about how the FEDS had set everyone

1:13:13

up. So in

1:13:15

nineteen seventy three, two years later, the

1:13:18

jury returned a not guilty verdict,

1:13:20

which was jury nullification. The jurors

1:13:22

were like, we don't care

1:13:25

that they did it, they just shouldn't be punished.

1:13:27

We're voting not guilty. Wow. And

1:13:31

because the FBI involvement, because

1:13:34

it's a big part of it, I think yeah,

1:13:37

And basically, be people, the

1:13:39

fucking the

1:13:41

people of the US were sick of this ship at this point.

1:13:43

You know, absolutely, the FBI have been

1:13:46

outed is not the good guys, And and that

1:13:48

I think is the most important thing. I mean, this is

1:13:50

a heel turn in from

1:13:53

from like, oh, the FBI is like looking out for us

1:13:55

or to set super cool. Oh,

1:13:57

I'm sure they're going after you know, like harden

1:14:00

criminals and Nope, priests

1:14:02

and nuns and peace activists, and so

1:14:05

it's like we have this moment to

1:14:07

thank for just our

1:14:09

complete understanding of the

1:14:11

FBI in general. Yep. And

1:14:14

that's the story of how

1:14:16

a bunch of pacifists

1:14:19

expose the FBI for what they are by

1:14:22

lying on their back in a hallway with

1:14:24

a tire iron moving a

1:14:27

heavy piece of furniture. Has

1:14:29

this been fictionalized? I

1:14:33

don't believe. So. I think there is a documentary

1:14:35

about it. I do this

1:14:37

weird thing where I like, I consume a lot of media when I

1:14:39

prepare things, but I usually don't watch the documentaries.

1:14:42

I'm not sure why. Yeah, I'm

1:14:44

like, I think it's like I want to build

1:14:47

my own narrative out of

1:14:49

things and then like, so I

1:14:51

go for the books and the articles sometimes

1:14:53

podcasts, but I don't watch the documentaries usually.

1:14:56

But no, this one makes such a good straight up heist

1:14:58

movie. I don't want to the document he is probably great.

1:15:00

I'm not talking shit, but I

1:15:02

want to watch the heist movie. Yes, that's what I

1:15:05

want to watch. Yeah, everyone's

1:15:07

all like sexed up, you know. I

1:15:09

feel like Luke Wilson is

1:15:12

is key.

1:15:16

That's why I'm laughing. I like name

1:15:18

all these actors. Does not

1:15:20

know Bob Cat

1:15:23

gold Wig, it will be one of

1:15:25

them, yeah, Goldwin, I know that actor Goldweight.

1:15:28

Yeah yeah, oh he definitely would be involved.

1:15:31

Yeah. Um, I mean who would play

1:15:34

the who would play David in just

1:15:37

kind of like um, nondescript

1:15:40

and sweet. I feel like Toby

1:15:43

maguire could do it. Well,

1:15:45

Sophie, I'm tapping you in because you know what

1:15:49

I was thinking of. Michael Sarah

1:15:52

Michael, Oh shit, I know that one why he is

1:15:54

huge. I think Michael

1:15:56

Sarah should be the the lock pick.

1:15:59

Yeah yeah, yeah, Sarah can

1:16:01

be in there. Yeah yeah, exactly, but like someone

1:16:04

who's got to be very like um oh,

1:16:06

first of all, he did play

1:16:09

he like I think he did play like sort of a

1:16:11

very religious Jew in a

1:16:14

show that I actually didn't like about, like called The

1:16:16

Divorce or something. But um, oh

1:16:19

my god, I'm gonna

1:16:22

fuck it because I'm um, I'm blinking

1:16:24

on his name. It's fine, We're fine.

1:16:27

I want the lesbian love triangle where

1:16:31

the um, the

1:16:33

lesbian Quaker is seducing the why

1:16:36

the Housewife?

1:16:38

Yeah, Sarah Paulson, maybe sure,

1:16:43

you have no idea, You have no idea? Who

1:16:45

that is that's cool. I even watch a lot of

1:16:47

movies. I'm just incapable of remembering names

1:16:50

faces, but also

1:16:52

could also be a SHIV

1:16:54

from Succession Sarah Snook. She's

1:16:57

so good, She's so good. It's okay,

1:16:59

Margaret, anyways, before Mapie

1:17:02

anymore? Do you have anything you'd like

1:17:04

to plug? Yes, um,

1:17:07

I would like to plug the

1:17:09

name of this actor? Okay,

1:17:12

what is it? Oscar Isaac? Oh, my

1:17:14

god, should be Oscar Isaac. Sorry, he's so

1:17:17

handsome, he'd be so good as

1:17:19

David in that. I can't remember. I can't

1:17:21

believe I forgot it. I can't remember anything. I've

1:17:23

got mom brain, Um, get

1:17:26

everyone like, yeah,

1:17:28

he's from Dune and listen to the Bituation Room

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podcast. That's

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Frannifio. Um and hell

1:17:36

yeah, thank you so much for having me, Margaret, I love,

1:17:39

love love this. Yeah,

1:17:41

thanks for coming on more bravery.

1:17:44

We need to do this again, I

1:17:46

know. Do you think they change the lot? Do you

1:17:48

think they like they

1:17:51

got wiser? Maybe the FBI, But it was

1:17:53

I love what a what an ego blow? It was

1:17:55

like I want Hoover's like I want to

1:17:57

feel his little like you

1:18:00

know, like he must have been so mad. Oh yeah,

1:18:02

no, I if I had gotten to do the super long

1:18:04

version, there's just all of the things about him freaking

1:18:07

out about how all this happened and just like doing

1:18:09

wild petty shit and closing down

1:18:11

all these offices and freaking out. He lost

1:18:13

his shit over this at day, mad

1:18:15

asshole. Yeah, and he died like

1:18:18

a year later, unfortunately on relatedly, but

1:18:21

you know, so if you guys thinking

1:18:23

the plug, yeah,

1:18:26

you can buy Margaret's books. Oh

1:18:29

yeah, it's my plug. Hell yeah,

1:18:31

you can buy my

1:18:33

book Escape from Insul Island or a Country

1:18:35

at Ghosts or we

1:18:37

Won't be Here Tomorrow or

1:18:40

some other ones, and

1:18:43

you can listen. Oh, my other podcast is going

1:18:45

weekly, Live Like the World Is Dying. If

1:18:47

you were like, man, I sure

1:18:50

love listening to Margaret twice a week. If only I

1:18:52

could listen to Margaret three times a week. Well

1:18:55

you can by listening to Live Like the World

1:18:57

is Dying on Fridays and a

1:19:00

secret fourth thing that I can't tell you about

1:19:02

yet, but you'll be able to listen. I

1:19:06

have no idea what sounded, so what I got was no,

1:19:09

I'm not sure it's the Sophie, Yeah,

1:19:12

I tried, and

1:19:14

we'll be back. We'll be back next week.

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