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true crime. We're actually talking

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the title Black Christmas. One of

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them, and the first one, was

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1974, and that's definitely the best

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to be talking about the movie

6:51

Black Christmas, the horror classic from

6:53

Nineteen Seventy Four that has actually

6:55

spawns to remakes that I also

6:57

want to talk about a little

6:59

bit because they do go more

7:01

in depth on the Killers backstory,

7:03

which I find interesting. Overall, the

7:05

original Nineteen Seventy Four Black Christmas

7:07

is by far the the best

7:09

version of these, so question right

7:11

up there with Halloween. An Hour

7:13

winds always been one of my

7:15

favorites but lacked Christmas set. The.

7:17

Stage for the Slasher. Flick

7:20

the. Whole movie. That's just the production,

7:22

the some saga free, the music, the

7:24

atmosphere in I Am Sherman Opponents and

7:27

stuff that can be spoilers. But there's

7:29

a lotta a lotta creepy aspects that

7:31

are in that movie that you don't

7:33

get with movies nowadays nowadays though. Jump

7:36

scares her Your special effects. And.

7:38

Back then it says let's just tell

7:40

creepy. Scary. Story and

7:42

Do this. Atmosphere: A together John Carpenter

7:44

friends as well so you know that

7:47

sort of what his movies are. You

7:49

know me so mad and is Sharon

7:51

and telling her to serve really good

7:54

story. It seems to me like the

7:56

Nineteen Seventy Four Black Christmas must have

7:58

inspired the Nineteen Seventy. Aid

8:00

Halloween. Because. Up

8:03

until that point, the weren't really. Holiday.

8:05

Horror movies. And again, as you mentioned,

8:08

the slasher sub genre in itself was

8:10

really in it's infancy and I feel

8:12

like people don't consider the Slasher Drawn

8:14

run a thing until Friday the Thirteenth,

8:17

and then the Halloween and then some

8:19

of those movies that came after. Yeah,

8:21

in all reality, this Nineteen Seventy Four

8:24

Black Christmas I think inspired a lot

8:26

of these movies, including the Halloween. But

8:28

also when A Stranger Calls which was

8:30

released in Nineteen Seventy Nine because of

8:33

the the phone calls that The Sorority.

8:35

Sisters are receiving and then one of

8:37

the twists being that the call is

8:39

coming from inside the house. He has

8:42

a spoiler alert but I mean it's

8:44

a fifty or whole movie. but it's

8:46

also like the entire premise of when

8:48

a stranger what a stranger cause is

8:50

so bad it's it's it's a bad

8:52

movie. The baby sitter part where she's

8:55

getting the calls up and so the

8:57

cop shows up is pretty. Get great

8:59

sword film or you could well at

9:01

movie down and thirty minutes and have

9:03

it be good. The rest. Of the

9:05

movies just god awful for yeah it's a complete

9:08

rip off of Black versus Will. You did say

9:10

that there were going to be some spoilers more

9:12

for and we have to say that this is

9:14

Tim said it a fifty year old movie which

9:17

is remarkable that as as half a century old

9:19

nineteen seventy four so you will. I think at

9:21

some point right when you're talking about a movie

9:23

there's gotta be a cut off. like after twenty

9:26

years you can give the spoilers to movies now

9:28

hopefully if there's anybody listening bet has not seen

9:30

this movie is gonna got monsters movie because it's

9:32

If you're a horror fan it's it's just that

9:35

good. But sometimes people don't watch movies right away.

9:37

How long did we beg you to watch? Once

9:39

Upon a Time in Hollywood? He

9:42

couldn't give any spoilers away because you wouldn't watch

9:44

it and you you to get next next movie

9:46

review episode that we do with you more if

9:48

we can do that one because I did finally

9:50

watch it and I did. Avoid watching

9:52

it because of the comedy of you

9:54

continually telling me to watch it and

9:57

it was a funny at some point

9:59

he said. Really good. Know I

10:01

am glad I watched it. We were

10:03

just talking about the inspiration apply Christmas

10:05

had for other horror movies where you

10:07

have the safely stranger that is terrorizing

10:09

a group of young women. same thing

10:12

in Halloween. But that concept of the

10:14

Final Girl right? the one character that

10:16

remains aware and capable of bringing the

10:18

bad guy down. Well I know to

10:20

going to say to him her character

10:22

of Jess like see set of really

10:25

take the bad Guy down but she's

10:27

She's got good wherewithal good present throughout

10:29

the movie and. Had the good sense

10:31

to work with the police in order to

10:33

figure out what was going on, because I

10:35

can't think of another. Slasher.

10:37

Movie before that that had a character like

10:40

that it. she's also that that. The.

10:42

Cartels, You go out the house, don't ask

10:44

any questions, lock out and get out of

10:46

there and of course city at the that

10:48

that would be too easy. She's gotta go

10:51

look for trouble. was is trying to save

10:53

her friends right? Yes, who's trying to save

10:55

her friends but she also kind of. Implicates

10:58

the wrong guy and numbers are sit still

11:00

the roof and cathartic. He'll die yes here

11:02

and of the movie which is cool that

11:04

see defended herself but again she was wrong

11:06

and that even after that is another to

11:08

as they will say for a little later

11:10

in the episode that's the part that really

11:12

sticks with yeah I guess is that a

11:14

trope The Final Girl in Flashers? So what?

11:16

What are the other ones like the other

11:19

calls coming from inside the house? That's good

11:21

for hope that it started. Right?

11:23

right? And just phone calls in

11:25

general with you. I think guy

11:27

Kevin Williamson who wrote Scream was

11:29

heavily influenced by Black Christmas as

11:31

well. Because as most people know,

11:34

Scream starts with a phone call

11:36

and it turns creepy in all

11:38

of the movies. All of the

11:40

three Black Christmas movies, there are

11:42

elements of phone calls. sort of

11:44

a stalker. obscene things that this

11:46

color or is saying, especially in

11:49

the Seventy Four One really obscene,

11:51

Very obscene, an unnerving and. Then

11:53

that Margot Kidder from My Billie worse

11:55

his shoes. Lois Lane. Famously right? Correct.

11:57

The Lois Lane is is it. She

12:00

starts talking back to the voice

12:02

on the phone and then it

12:04

goes from obscene to. I'm

12:07

Going To Kill You Changes on a

12:09

dime like Eastern on his demented creepy,

12:11

just psychopathic voices were you're saying okay,

12:13

this guy's not playing with full deck

12:15

and then he just quietly transitions into

12:17

this normal i'm Gonna Kill You does

12:20

matter of factly very good. and and

12:22

the actor that is the voice work

12:24

and that is a guy named Nick

12:26

Mancuso and he's a fantastic job and

12:28

it's just very disturbing these calls they

12:30

are very vulgar but to me it's

12:33

Royal. Makes a creepy expect in the

12:35

seventies there isn't a star sixty. Nine

12:37

Rizzo caller Id. You had no choice but

12:39

to deal with. These calls are just hang

12:41

up the phone or disconnect the phone. And

12:44

that's really what I think sets it apart

12:46

from trying to do this movie today because

12:48

now you get so many tech things and

12:50

social media and did your friends and everything

12:52

else that it just it doesn't have that

12:55

same effect trying to make the same movie

12:57

today to me. And also it's the sound

12:59

of the telephone that's really unnerving to if

13:01

you put that sound in any environment. Some

13:03

jarring that becomes the main character of that

13:06

scene is this. Phone. Call

13:08

that ring It's the ringer on my cell

13:10

phone says it's nice. I love, I love

13:12

it. It's I think it's called old phone

13:14

and I have that on there because it's

13:16

love the sound of that. I'm watching this

13:18

the other night is trying to brush up

13:20

on it again because I hadn't seen it

13:22

since last Christmas and my son's like that

13:24

sounds just like your phone. ah. So

13:28

the Twenty Nine seen version which is now

13:30

the second remake of Stars Image Poots I

13:33

would you who's pretty good in it's but

13:35

the movie is P G Thirteen which is.

13:37

A A real problem for horror fans,

13:39

which you essentially means there's no gore,

13:42

no blood at all. And one of

13:44

the weirdest things is that like when

13:46

someone gets stabbed once, they're just like

13:49

lifeless immediately. And the other movies people

13:51

struggle. And because that's more realistic, one

13:53

stab with an icicle to the chest.

13:56

you know anymore, You don't take another

13:58

breath like that isn't. The name

14:00

in close to reality and it's really

14:02

they're just trying to avoid. The.

14:04

Our rating which probably heard it in the

14:07

long run. It may be trying to ransom

14:09

of younger viewers broaden the audience but the

14:11

you're hurting me the crowd with the older

14:13

people there used to the rated R stuff

14:16

and want the know that over the cops

14:18

stuff or just a realistic ness of like

14:20

even have a A in that situation right

14:22

people be smearing their heads off. He will

14:25

be very vulgar if they're experiencing opposites violence

14:27

around them so just takes a bit of

14:29

the reality out of it. The new version

14:31

also has has a text message angled the

14:34

killer or. Eerie are stocking the

14:36

sorority sisters via text message and

14:38

all three take place in a

14:40

sorority house and the newest one

14:42

is very socially conscious in it.

14:45

There a fraternity story line and

14:47

one of the fraternity brothers are

14:49

raped one of the sorority sisters.

14:51

So that's kind of a jumping

14:53

off point for the movie We

14:56

Don't Get the killer known as

14:58

Billie Lands that is in Part

15:00

One. in two parts, one into

15:02

our i guess the original. And

15:04

the first remake. Billie Lens is the killer

15:07

in part three or the third. It, even

15:09

if he's not a part of it at

15:11

all. there's no backstory about Billie Letter from

15:13

now. This is a spoiler here. It's I.

15:16

It's the fraternity brothers. So there's more than

15:18

one killer. and the fraternity brothers are trying

15:20

to kill the sorority sisters in this. There's

15:22

no creepy guy hiding in the walls of

15:25

a house. The worst part about it is

15:27

there's a supernatural twist at the end of

15:29

the heck out of that movie which is

15:32

like. Mind. Blowing. If you're coming

15:34

from a place where this was influenced

15:36

by this Nineteen Seventy Four movie so

15:38

they're sort of ripping off scream a

15:40

little bit with the multiple killer angle

15:43

to yeah, but it's a supernatural thing

15:45

where it's like the head of this

15:47

university like he is influencing these new

15:49

frat boys. Frat Brothers to Kill. This

15:51

is produced by Jason Blom Bluhm House.

15:54

It's a Bluhm House movie. Yeah how

15:56

that surprising side. I do think they

15:58

were trying to go for a young.

16:00

The audience definitely hit like a socially

16:03

conscious point and came out into a

16:05

into a Nineteen is at a time

16:07

where everyone socially conscious and trying to

16:09

be more so. I kind of understand

16:11

where they're coming from because this is

16:14

a story about a man who killed

16:16

sorority sisters. so that's kind of like.

16:18

You know like an anti woman idea in

16:21

the first to if you if you think

16:23

about it from that P O V. so

16:25

it almost like tries to make good on

16:27

what the first two did it for the

16:29

sexes you know what I mean. You.

16:32

Bring up a good point because I'm

16:34

thinking of the very first one. There's

16:36

some social issues in the other direction.

16:38

the girl is pregnant, she wants and

16:40

of worsen and he's like well, how

16:42

you gonna get worse you didn't even

16:44

ask me at Nike's. Das.

16:46

To give her permission. So that was

16:49

like a hundred and eighty three the

16:51

other direction. It's funny how things change

16:53

over time with more modern thinking. I

16:56

do wonder. Enough their deviating

16:58

so much from the original in

17:00

the third one. Wave and

17:02

Cop like Christmas lights make it it's

17:04

own standalone movie. I just looked

17:07

up the budget and what it grossed and

17:09

the budget for that movie was five million

17:11

dollars and it made eighteen point five million

17:13

at the box office. So that was just

17:15

a quick millions of dollars though They probably

17:17

could have given it another name but I

17:19

feel it gets her quietly successful franchise ever

17:21

of eighteen million is considered of a box

17:23

office smashed by any stretch but your make

17:25

him three times we spent on it without

17:27

much effort than an ad on. I'm not

17:29

in the mood and I don't know that

17:31

movie making and productions as know more about

17:33

that of the me but to me it

17:35

seems like they're gonna. Make it a movie,

17:37

make it the best suits hand. You know

17:39

whether it's success for not put out a

17:41

good product and not something you're going to

17:43

look back later on. Sex simply was. Part.

17:46

Of this Sncf go. See.

17:48

I'm with you production wise. it with

17:50

the newest one wasn't awful. it was

17:52

almost like a little too heavy handed

17:54

with how socially conscious it is. I

17:56

get it, it's kind of trying to

17:58

our rights. Maybe the wrong. From

18:00

the previous two versions, alternately, the end and

18:02

the lack of an R rating is what

18:04

heard that movie. It's not the look, it's

18:06

at the acting. It's not really even the

18:09

story until the very end. That really kind

18:11

of ruins it for me. We talked about

18:13

this before we start recording. For me, the

18:15

trailer just look so bad to me that

18:17

they can even bother to watches. I was

18:19

going to want to just have gotten the

18:21

talk about of the i can't I just

18:24

can't do it If you watch the trailer

18:26

closely it it actually reveals the twist that

18:28

we've already talked about in this. Has

18:30

episode is as a shot of image input

18:32

saying he that are all crazy or

18:34

something like that. You can tell there's

18:36

people around her so it's like it.

18:38

really. it really gives it away in the

18:41

trailer but I don't know. maybe the

18:43

audience that was intended to see the

18:45

Twenty Nine Teen version like never knew about

18:47

the other versions and or least the

18:49

Seventy Four version he hadn't seen that

18:51

Most likely cause this newest version was

18:53

for younger people you would imagine and emanate

18:55

do that over and over again with

18:57

so many movies that they just Texas

18:59

Chainsaw Massacre. On what else had they

19:01

remain in the Halloween things they've redone

19:03

over and over again. As you know

19:05

I was younger, people would just. I

19:08

know that this the quality of the imagery

19:11

isn't as good as in the image. special

19:13

facts aren't great by was she would go

19:15

back and discover some of these old gems

19:17

that are great movies just the way they

19:20

are without the. The. High production in

19:22

the modern technology are being part of it.

19:24

Reminds me what they did with a remake

19:26

of Hellraiser. Didn't see that one because the

19:28

original so that or if it I would

19:30

watch a remake. Yeah I don't know how

19:32

I feel about it because they made Pin

19:34

Head be portrayed as a female character. She

19:36

did a fantastic job but it it's hard

19:38

to switch gender for Pin Head. For me.

19:40

And in the original there was a

19:42

good female character that the sidekick of

19:44

Pin Heads and I thought the three

19:47

of them were good, just the way

19:49

they were. In the Two Thousand and

19:51

Six version of Black Christmas, there are

19:53

actually two killers. There is Billie Lens

19:55

who is the killer in the original,

19:57

but in the Two Thousand and Six

19:59

version. His sister flash daughter

20:01

is also a killer sister

20:03

Splashed out or. Yeah.

20:05

Yeah, so there's a little bit of

20:07

a spoiler, but is it goes into

20:09

this in the beginning of other Two

20:12

Thousand and Six version of A gives

20:14

Billie Lands the Killer a A A

20:16

backstory that he never had in the

20:18

Seventy Four version. And what I find

20:20

interesting is that Black Christmas came first

20:22

and then Halloween. And Halloween seems to

20:24

have been somewhat inspired by Black Christmas

20:26

the original. But then this Two Thousand

20:28

and Six version of Black Christmas was

20:30

inspired by Halloween by going into the

20:32

back story and keeping it like with

20:34

the siblings. Exactly so in. Halloween, you

20:36

know, Michael Myers. He kills his

20:38

sister and then he said to

20:40

an insane asylum and in this

20:42

two thousand and six version of

20:45

Black Christmas, Billie Lens is raped

20:47

by his biological mother who had

20:49

killed his dad, believes Dad buried

20:51

him under the house, and Billie

20:53

this version has jaundice, which gives

20:55

his or his skin a yellow

20:57

tone and that sort of seems

21:00

to be his mom's motivation for

21:02

hating him. And she kills his

21:04

father. Yeah, rapes Billie. And

21:06

then becomes pregnant with Billy's kid

21:08

and Agnes is born who is

21:10

beloved by the mom. Believes just

21:12

kind of loses it at one

21:14

point because he was locked in

21:16

the attic before essentially for years

21:18

and can travel throughout the house

21:20

inside the walls which is such

21:23

a creepy idea. Then he attacks

21:25

on Christmas Eve your taxes family

21:27

has. He kills his stepfather and

21:29

his mom and then he tears

21:31

out his sister's I and eats

21:33

it. and then when the police

21:35

arrive. I he's Billie is actually eating

21:37

holiday cookies made from his mother's flesh. That

21:39

has happened in the Us or and the

21:41

beginning of that movie in the past in

21:44

the South. Second Version: Two Thousand Sixers And

21:46

and then he's in an insane asylum and

21:48

the security guards are telling you he's that

21:50

he tries to escape every Christmas and he

21:53

finally escapes and and he makes his way

21:55

back to the sorority house which was not

21:57

are sorority house when he lived there was.

22:00

A residence I was only turned into a

22:02

sorority house afterwards had to. Him and his

22:04

sister Agnes are both in the walls and

22:06

are killing the sorority sisters. in the two

22:08

thousand and six version. He to me that's

22:11

that's too much information to me. Less is

22:13

more in the original. His name's Billy. We're

22:15

on those last name we assume it seems

22:17

Billie. He's talking about Agnes. We don't really

22:19

know who she is and you know he

22:21

keeps saying what your mother and I must

22:24

know is so you assume it. Agnes.

22:26

Could be a sister but we don't have sure.

22:28

but we don't know. What the backstory

22:30

as and that's for me. I like the

22:32

I like the not knowing and I like

22:34

the in I don't like having a nice.

22:37

Tidy up, bow on it. Ending.

22:40

To or it's like oh we ate, we

22:42

checked all the boxes, we answer the questions.

22:44

You know we can leave satisfied. I like

22:46

not knowing at the end who was this

22:48

guy? Why? Was he doing it?

22:50

It just leaves something to the imagination vs

22:52

filling and all the blankson. You.

22:55

Know giving me all the answers

22:57

and the voices that he's using

22:59

when he prank calls the sorority

23:01

sisters is a combination of him

23:03

as Billie but he's also responding

23:05

as if he's having a conversation

23:07

with Agnes right there. And as

23:09

also his parents are will resume

23:11

his parents. sometimes he's making like

23:13

pigs sounding noises. who's really running

23:16

the gamut on these free the

23:18

creepy voices often So that one

23:20

line that we mention where he

23:22

just calmly says. I'm. Going to

23:24

kill you. The only time in talks normal

23:26

when he's on that phone is when he

23:29

tells her that Munich Mancuso was auditioning for

23:31

the role. Bob Clark the director had him

23:33

turn his chair around. And. And

23:35

not face him because he wanted to hear

23:37

the voices he in want to see the

23:39

expressions he wanted to hear what they would

23:41

sound like him he just kind of window

23:43

and his audition and males it. When you

23:46

watch it for the first time and you

23:48

learn that this is just one person performing

23:50

method not a couple with some affects, it's

23:52

even more impressive and and kind of terrifying.

23:55

No one point in the movie. one the growth

23:57

has the other one that can't be one person.

24:00

Fucking of it is You hear this whole conversation

24:02

going on, but it's one person knowing it, even

24:04

the girl makes the com and as that one

24:06

person doing all it and lense the director of

24:08

that original. He also directed a Christmas Story. Is

24:11

it correct? Yeah. Bob Clark is remarkable. He did

24:13

Porky. He's really good movie if you haven't seen

24:15

it. I haven't seen it in years, but it

24:17

is a reluctance in comedy. Yeah. Raunchy

24:19

comedy you know that really inspired

24:21

like the American Pies and and

24:23

those types of movies and a

24:25

Christmas story. So Black Christmas is

24:27

like is in Tennessee us to

24:29

a Christmas story. I just learned

24:32

that because I knew that like

24:34

Christmas was partially funded by the

24:36

Canadian Film Society I think and

24:38

was shot in Canada is essentially

24:40

Canadian movie and he was living

24:42

in Canada to avoid paying American

24:44

taxes and this was part of

24:46

or started the Canucks Boy pace

24:48

in film industry where. Americans would be

24:50

making these lake low budget movies and

24:52

Canada and they get released in the

24:54

United States and they would make a

24:56

pretty decent living doing it by yep

24:58

at Bob Clark American guy who went

25:00

to Canada. To. Capitalize on that.

25:02

connects play, taste and ah for ah the

25:05

Canadian people out there. That's not my term,

25:07

that's just what I read. I'm not trying

25:09

to insult anyone, is capped at the end

25:11

of the day on his resume. his get

25:13

to the best Christmas except for me a

25:15

totally different from each other but that is

25:17

funny how opposite of of the spectrum those

25:19

two movies are. Yeah. I actually

25:22

got my sister to watch it and her

25:24

partner. They watched it on the twenty six

25:26

after Christmas because we told them they needed

25:28

to watch that movie because he had said

25:30

my sister's partner. He had said every Christmas

25:33

we always do a Christmas story and I

25:35

was like well it be like a Christmas

25:37

story the same guy who did that did

25:39

Black Christmas so watch those snack to back

25:41

and she texted me as you have like

25:44

this movies incredible. Isn't it weird that there

25:46

is a slasher movie about Christmas? Before there

25:48

was a slasher movie about Halloween? Yes. Yes,

25:51

Zone. We're dressed and I watched a sort

25:53

of a documentary they were talking about naming

25:55

it something different in the states are going

25:58

to name it on a violent. It or

26:00

something like that. But they said that some

26:02

of the test audiences will surely even met

26:04

Christmas. They wanted people to know it was

26:06

a Christmas theme. They were even reluctant to

26:08

make the move in the first place because

26:11

it would be so sack religious to ruin

26:13

Christmas with a a slasher flick about the

26:15

to. the. Actually, we're kind of hesitant to

26:17

make a movie about this killer on Christmas.

26:19

To begin with, it might have been Silent

26:21

Night Evil Night. There was a title. A

26:23

Silent Night Deadly Night. I believe that there

26:25

was a movie that God made. I did

26:28

see to these movies in the movie theater.

26:30

The Original Black Christmas at the New

26:32

Beverly Cinema in now Los Angeles which

26:34

is ah, the theater own bike. when

26:36

parents you know I saw it as

26:38

part of a double feature Backyard Gosh

26:41

gonna be fifteen years ago Now I

26:43

think it was paired with the Japanese

26:45

horror movie called house. And. If

26:47

you guys know that movie from Nineteen

26:49

Seventy Seven, it's crazy yeah of a

26:51

movie called Hospitals and Eighty's version. I'll

26:53

get there that the American version, the

26:56

Japanese version is insane. And then I

26:58

saw the two thousand six Lakh Christmas

27:00

upon it's initial lot the article release

27:02

at the Graham and Six in Hollywood.

27:04

And then I watched the Twenty Nine

27:06

version last night to understand what it

27:08

was doing in comparison to these other

27:11

to med school. Yeah, so I'm going

27:13

to tell you how old I am.

27:15

I watched the original at the Drive.

27:17

In movie theater with my parents. Used to

27:19

take me to see inappropriate horror movies and

27:21

I loved it. says that while I can

27:23

still remember the sign five dollars a carload

27:26

as many people's you can bet your car

27:28

to go to a drive in movie theater

27:30

in and you'd put the speaker on euro

27:32

window and taken the whole experience. And it's

27:34

just the best way to watch a movie

27:36

or I misses this. Black Christmas is probably

27:38

like right up there is a perfect drive

27:40

in movie. Oh yeah, I I could watch

27:43

it at a drive in. Yeah know that

27:45

we do with that in the eighties. Or

27:47

with that of the movie came out and

27:49

seventy four. Now I clearly remember it so

27:51

it had a meal. I had to be

27:53

a little bit older as probably I'm guessing

27:55

eight or nine. So what they would do

27:57

is they would put three movies together and

27:59

up. That's how good a deal swears. Five

28:01

hours a carload for three horror movies or

28:04

whole family would go grab a thing, snacks,

28:06

blankets, everything else and you make a home

28:08

night out of as they would love a

28:10

new release out with two other horror movies.

28:13

So. That's how I saw and I am I'm

28:15

guessing and had to be eight nine years old.

28:17

So how to be run? nineteen eighty or so

28:19

that I saw it. I just remember loving it

28:22

even back then as a kid. It was creepy

28:24

is how and wasn't appropriate to be watching. but

28:26

you my parents were pretty cool. luckily they let

28:28

me. I partake in it if it ever playing

28:30

at a drive in anywhere in the country and

28:33

we figure this out. We all have to take

28:35

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28:37

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program. I wanted to bring up

29:18

the cast of Black Christmas Nineteen Seventy Four.

29:21

A timid said something before we started recording

29:23

earlier today and he he was not a

29:25

fan of Margot Kidder. performance in this which

29:27

totally understand but Olivia Hussey as the main

29:30

character Jess really knows what he what are

29:32

your thoughts on her performance Famously Julie S

29:34

right and were in one of the first

29:36

star Romeo and Juliet movies Eye to eye

29:39

Fi anthology was excellent. In the movie Margot

29:41

Kidder it is his illusions of weird performance

29:43

to me Olivia has. He also has a

29:45

little bit of an accent I. Guess it's

29:48

some kind of like French Canadian accent I

29:50

take it. And Margot Kidder sounds like you

29:52

know she has no accent whatsoever. I thought

29:54

of living has he was was pretty good.

29:57

When she answered the phone she sounded kind

29:59

of a. The really like before she knew

30:01

anything wrong she was salad panic when suzanne from

30:03

the phone but then again they mentioned that he

30:05

had called before so maybe she's just nervous of

30:07

I answered the phone General whoo I really think

30:10

it's overlooked in it is Peter. Together.

30:12

With Peter I'm care delay just looking at

30:14

him. He so he double. He's so. Friends

30:17

for the time, but he's very intense

30:19

and very creepy. It's weird because he

30:22

had been in Two Thousand and One

30:24

A Space Odyssey. Like. Five years

30:26

before is completely different. Somos Unrecognizable same

30:28

person. And because he was an astronaut

30:31

than he was like clean cut, he

30:33

almost don't recognize him. but he was

30:35

just creepy an hour all. Through.

30:37

That movie people the haven't seen that they're trying

30:39

to point the finger at. This guy has a

30:41

this is the guy This is a killer focus

30:44

on him. he don't all this weird and bizarre

30:46

shed and he's thrown his these tantrums and stuff

30:48

and and will we find out The end the

30:50

movie. Is probably not the

30:52

guy. One of my favorite scenes in the movie is

30:55

when he's. Bombing his piano edition and

30:57

he's just pouring with sweat and he knows

30:59

when he's hit in the wrong keys and

31:01

you can hear it and then it passed

31:03

the people who are judging him and they're

31:06

just so like not impressed with him and

31:08

he's just as drowning and he's sweating so

31:10

my to net seen that that brings about

31:12

the piano between think that some of the

31:15

best creepy atmosphere. it's weird sounds from the

31:17

piano that they put throughout this movie just

31:19

really sets it off to me. I liked

31:21

John Saxons performance green and the Cop always

31:23

great as a cop really as yeah so

31:26

he was in a Nightmare on Elm Street

31:28

as well. We. Are also played a

31:30

cop I believe right Joe Nancy's father who was

31:32

a cop. yeah right right he's not as any

31:34

copies like the Boss he's like to the teeth.

31:36

He did a lot of movies but his fresh

31:38

off of what the separately movie was and Enter

31:40

the Dragon right? Yeah he was just a nap.

31:43

rate for this movie came out I think the

31:45

so random because I didn't see Enter the Dragon

31:47

until after I saw him and Nightmare on Elm

31:49

Street. and then I'm like this dude can do

31:51

karate. I had no idea it was such a

31:53

shock to my young mind. I liked his line

31:55

at the end of the movie when he says

31:57

i knew it in my got it was. Accurate.

32:01

Any harm and it's like at the very

32:03

end of the movie. But all three these

32:06

movies sort of have this elements of one

32:08

of the sorority sisters is missing and the

32:10

rest of them are listening to these phone

32:12

calls. They're not sure if it's connected. they

32:14

don't know why they're friend is missing or

32:16

where she is, but they try to go

32:18

to the cops, tell them their friend is

32:21

missing in all of them, the police are

32:23

like, well, you know, she's price shacked up

32:25

with with her boyfriend or whatever which is

32:27

like totally realistic to what happens when you

32:29

know when someone's love. What is missing and

32:31

they go to the police. That's typically one of

32:33

the first thing that has said wow are you

32:35

sure they're not with a boyfriend? Is your you

32:38

know they might run away or something like that?

32:40

It's always the story. we here first and so

32:42

that kind of rang true to me. but also

32:44

I thought it was interesting that all of the

32:46

sisters weird like they got around in a group

32:48

to listen to the the phone call. why are

32:51

they listening a wild they just hang up while

32:53

the entertaining this to me that's the best parts

32:55

of the movie because they're just. So.

32:57

I was awestruck. but they're like it is

32:59

almost like a car accident he drove by.

33:02

You can't help a look like they're all

33:04

pin to disguise can say even other creeped

33:06

out by it. The kids. Not. Be

33:08

there to listen to it. I think it

33:10

just builds the whole tension in the movies

33:12

been. It also establishes that this has been

33:14

going on prior. It's. Been going on

33:16

a pass inflicts. let's gather round and here's your

33:18

what is going to see this time it makes

33:20

this moment into this event that's like literally take

33:23

them away from their Christmas party. Sucks all the

33:25

life out of their Christmas party. We talk robot

33:27

about technology and helped. Seems one interesting thing is

33:29

we always heard you gotta keep my mind to

33:31

to treat this call but you never really know

33:34

what when into then you see how they actually

33:36

trace a phone call. It seems like a lot

33:38

of work since that this guy was trying to

33:40

do to truth is called. You get to see

33:42

behind the scenes what it's like the truth of

33:45

Uncle. And this guy is like in

33:47

his warehouse with these floor to ceiling

33:49

transmitters or something like running around in

33:51

plugin things in and running down another

33:53

aisle and like you gotta keep him

33:55

on the line and it's a good

33:57

observation More to be like, see that.

34:00

You need a thirty second. His poor guy

34:02

is like running all over the place in

34:04

the warehouse. Plugin and cables. Courses.

34:06

Gonna take some time. Crazy? Yeah You first

34:08

see him like unscrew the telephone and I'd

34:10

tap it. He Bryant array the gulf tap

34:12

on the phone and that's when John the

34:15

Saxon that detective cells I gotta keep mana

34:17

line so that that makes sense than that.

34:19

They're trying to keep him talk and nor

34:21

hope you know answering the phone and everything.

34:23

I did like all that that was fun

34:25

to me. This goes back to why it's.

34:28

So. Much scarier back men for something like

34:30

the staff. and because you were at the

34:32

Will have you either would hang up, disconnect

34:34

your phone unanswered, or have to listen to

34:37

this stuff. And there was no way to

34:39

find out who's doing this unless you could

34:41

somehow get the police involved in you them

34:43

the pre the call right? which is you

34:45

know a challenging thing on not Christmas Eve

34:48

when it's like not even a guarantee that

34:50

there's anything really serious happening at all. So

34:52

I kind of like all that but also

34:54

late we'd really talk about was there's another

34:56

little girl that's murdered. And it's

34:58

sort of mingled in to the backstory of

35:01

this and you're like my wonder if this

35:03

is part of it? Is it connected to

35:05

the could be a minutes is a small

35:07

town and they also mentioned there was a

35:10

growth rate not long before that. So you've

35:12

got to story sort of unfolding and you've

35:14

got to parents looking for their last kids.

35:17

You're. One of the dead up in the attic,

35:19

but the other one is found out in the

35:21

park. I like how they don't try that up

35:23

either because you. You. Never find out that

35:25

he sings connected deliberately ambiguous there. especially with

35:27

the end. You're right more. not a lot

35:29

of people talk about that subplot of that

35:31

other little girl and I Just watch this

35:34

movie like three days ago and it it

35:36

kind of left my memory to into you

35:38

mentioned it to something that was tied into

35:40

the antagonists behavior before we get into the

35:42

house. Yeah they keep saying that the sisters

35:44

will will say ah well there was there

35:46

was someone murdered in the park and were

35:48

getting these calls are now our friend is

35:51

missing to maybe it's all related So that

35:53

sort of part I why. The police investigate

35:55

there are sorority house and when

35:57

they find the little girl's body. Show

36:00

which to again to me less is more.

36:02

I don't need to see a body on

36:04

the ground. To. Know what they

36:06

saw, what they found in a you

36:08

could see the expression on the people's

36:10

faces and to me that's part of

36:13

whole Less is more in my eyes

36:15

and will stand out. Seen for me

36:17

was be Christmas Carolers Was it Margot

36:19

Kidder character who's getting killed upstairs and.

36:21

Just. Is watching the Christmas carolers and

36:24

see just as is great expression on her

36:26

face of kind of relief like it's taking

36:28

some of the stress off of her but

36:30

there's this murder that happening but being drowned

36:32

out by the carolers as she's watching and

36:34

it's just this planet seen. They hold on

36:37

her face for a while which I thought

36:39

was really cool. Yeah the great part sort

36:41

of a way to make us opening for

36:43

him to straight and her not be aware

36:45

of it. You know you've even cover their

36:47

tracks and go back to where little things.

36:50

This little detail. This is where have. A

36:52

good movie is made his the little details

36:54

like in the Shining, all the little details

36:56

that make sense all the way through the

36:58

movie. But here there's a scene where the

37:01

a house mother's trying to get in the

37:03

front doors can't be and it's damn and

37:05

she has we we we had give it

37:07

a repairman I heard of fixes to Arkansas

37:09

the second and later on. it's gonna be

37:11

a big thing but there's little instances where

37:13

they can't about things earlier in the movie

37:15

that com the play later on and I

37:17

think at the mark of a good movie

37:19

is just little things that are all that

37:22

important. Early. On Come back to be big

37:24

things. I believe it's the first murder of

37:26

one of the first were not when the

37:28

killer is in the house and he's in

37:30

the closet and he's like behind the plastic

37:33

I guess like laundry bag and you can

37:35

kind of see his face but you can't

37:37

tell for sure if it's his face. and

37:39

the sorority sisters like. To. Thank you

37:41

and she said it's you squint news

37:43

little and moved closer towards it and

37:45

I than he attacks or that that

37:47

part is really a great a freaky

37:49

murder for sir. No doubt it's an

37:51

it's sort of sets the tone because

37:53

it happened so early in the movie.

37:55

Dagger creeped out the rest of the

37:57

movie. just remember him out one and

37:59

then realizing you know there's more to

38:01

common in other. Another one that stands

38:03

up in my mind is when the

38:05

house mother goes up into the attic.

38:08

And. She looks over and see the rocking

38:10

chair with that with the girl on it

38:12

and and before she can even rak she

38:15

turns around and there's belief with the big

38:17

hook is just really unfolds in Nm a

38:19

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38:28

to the program I was wondering because

38:30

I I had forgotten but whenever he

38:32

watched this as wondering how Billie was

38:34

simultaneously making these phone calls and he

38:36

being inside the house committing these murders

38:38

and I'd love to the how I

38:40

Love and movies businesses but had a

38:42

when the there's like throwaway lines where

38:44

it's like as as though the cops

38:46

are like other any other phones and

38:48

house and they're like now and the

38:50

like away while the house mother has

38:52

one but she never use their like

38:54

okay have you ever get any. Calls

38:56

coming in so no, no worries about our

38:58

rating for don't think about it but but

39:01

know that there is another one. Just think

39:03

I know that the doors decks. Right?

39:06

Oh My. God. That part. I love that

39:08

stuff. When you come back and you look

39:10

at it at the end, you remember all

39:12

those little things in are like hard. Now

39:15

it makes sense right? Or it's pretty conspicuous

39:17

anyway. But. So

39:20

at the end we are led to

39:22

believe that the killer did in fact

39:24

killed yes she killed the wrong person

39:27

by panicking and hitting her boyfriend. Would

39:29

the the pinker right? The fire poker.

39:31

Okay so yes of the final girl

39:34

kills her boyfriend because she thinks that's

39:36

the murderer right? photo. Most of the.

39:38

People. Watching? Yeah, but he kind of

39:41

feel like it's not because it's so

39:43

obviously been jamming him down your throat,

39:45

even to the point where when you

39:48

see the killers arm grabbing her hair

39:50

he's wearing. Offensive: the same

39:52

sweater. As a good observation

39:54

of the others, guess so it's a

39:56

really jamming him down your throat

39:58

and selling you. On. Peter

40:01

being the killer and super high strung

40:03

an erratic and he beats the piano

40:05

with the ah those stance in I

40:07

think which lead to the cops be

40:09

like he's outta control I always knew

40:11

was that kid the soon as a

40:13

kid in my gut. Yeah so this

40:15

is this is the ultimate spoiler. add

40:17

I at the end of Nineteen Seventy

40:19

Four as Black Christmas Olivia has his

40:21

character jealous he sees left in her

40:23

bedroom to sleeps arrests. Our parents are

40:25

coming in a couple hours. The cops

40:27

say they're They're talking about how they

40:29

wrap this mystery up. And they're going to

40:31

leave live and let her get some rest

40:33

and wafer parents to come from. but they

40:35

have no idea that's a killer is still

40:37

inside the walls of the house. They never

40:39

bothered to check the attic because there's two

40:41

bodies up there that based up to the

40:43

one of them accountable from the street it's

40:45

in the window. Ah, that's bad police

40:47

work. And the phone does ring at the end,

40:50

right? it does. And it gets louder and louder

40:52

as the credits roll. And they pay an hour

40:54

away from a half nicky panning out there that

40:56

you can see everybody leave the house basically. but

40:59

there is a one police officer standing on the

41:01

porch. not as it would keep her from getting

41:03

killed but there is somebody there. It's not like

41:05

he's totally left alone, you know it. just it

41:08

leaves open again. That does he come down and

41:10

killer to keep hiding out. Me at it. We

41:12

know that the phone rings and we have to

41:14

assume it's him. So in the two thousand and.

41:17

Six Remake: It was produced by

41:19

Dimension Films and The Winds Teens

41:21

and Dimension Films. Executive and convicted

41:23

rapist Harvey Weinstein actually intervened and

41:25

apparently demanded that a new ending

41:28

be filmed the first. The ending

41:30

was apparently released in I think

41:32

the Uk. It was more of

41:34

an homage to the original movies

41:37

ending where was kind of a

41:39

little bit open ended instead. What?

41:41

Weinstein sort of forced them to

41:43

Sudan. And it did make the

41:45

end of the American. Release

41:48

was that Billie actually tracks this final

41:50

girl to the hospital and so there's

41:52

like another fight at the hospital and

41:54

I Billie get thrown out the window

41:57

or or something like that. But is

41:59

it. Doesn't have that down or

42:01

of an ending an hour and it's

42:03

not ambiguous either. Going back full circle

42:05

with that in the movie exacts. Wanted

42:08

the original to have a different ending

42:10

they wanted at the very end for

42:12

clears boyfriend a hockey player, the one

42:14

with a great for a coat he

42:16

had accrued than often heard though they

42:18

wanted him to be standing over her

42:20

and say agnes, it's me Billie They

42:23

wanted him to be the killer The

42:25

director Like absolutely not No way absolutely

42:27

not. I'm not doing that. He fought

42:29

them and. They didn't make him do it

42:31

which is good because vila factor in the

42:33

movie their part for he's like at the

42:35

door leaving as the calls are coming in

42:38

so he couldn't be making the phone calls

42:40

if he's standing there and with them so

42:42

there's little parts at wouldn't add up with

42:44

they tried to jam him down your throat

42:46

suddenly as a killer and I'm I'm glad

42:48

they didn't try and do that. Yeah, me

42:50

too because his character was really good for

42:52

what he was for. Code aside, he was

42:54

the boyfriend of the first murder victims who

42:56

they still haven't found and he was like

42:58

the one who was aggressively. You know

43:01

going into the police station with the other

43:03

students with the other sorority sisters and demanding

43:05

action be taken. City and was a chocolate.

43:07

he was playing hockey. So canadian to have

43:10

a hockey seen. It

43:12

so wouldn't It wouldn't really sit with

43:14

him suddenly standing over her and revealed

43:16

that sees the Roka. Although what's interesting

43:18

is when you see these little silhouettes

43:20

of Billie, all you see is a

43:22

shadow of him silhouette. The darkness is

43:24

I in a couple themes. His hair

43:26

looks a little bit like clears boyfriends

43:28

but it also looked. Fake peers are

43:31

combo the to so they leave what

43:33

Billie actually looks like just ambiguous and

43:35

of the can't really tell what he

43:38

looks like but either those guys the

43:40

mean guys in the movie could be

43:42

him but again they. Ruined.

43:45

not than up and there is

43:47

a little bit of true crime

43:49

that was mixed in in Billie

43:51

Lines His backstory Apparently director of

43:53

the Two Thousand Six version Glenmore

43:55

again was inspired by real life

43:57

serial killer at Camper when he

43:59

came up. The backstory for Billie Lance

44:01

i'm A Sense and the mom stuff.

44:04

Yeah. Yeah the monster exactly. I do still

44:06

feel like it was influenced pretty heavily by

44:08

Halloween. You can see where the real life

44:10

crimes could have inspired at a little bit

44:12

as well. For me personally when I go

44:14

to see a horror movie I want to

44:16

sort of separate real life crime from seek

44:18

horror movies you one there's real victims ones

44:20

he knows make believe and I like to

44:23

separate them. But I mean I get where

44:25

people like to use the inspired by was

44:27

a movie that I can think of the

44:29

name of of the top my head but

44:31

that movie where the am to people come

44:33

to the house and there's. A couple their

44:35

dreams were in over Strangers inspired

44:37

by a true story Is is

44:39

a tagline in the movie and

44:41

the True Story. Was. That there

44:44

was a group of weird people going

44:46

around this directors neighborhood when he was

44:48

a kid and people were just reporting

44:50

the police because they saw these were

44:52

people. they weren't killing anybody. Technically it's

44:54

inspired by true story cause it's stuck

44:56

with them. or Texas Chainsaw Massacre They

44:58

say inspired by a true story but

45:00

nothing like Texas Chainsaw Massacre happened it

45:02

was inspired by again you never use

45:04

that term loosely have inspired by True Story

45:06

I personally to separate my my horror

45:08

movies fiction from from relief crime. Yeah,

45:10

definitely didn't make the ad kemper connection

45:12

until I researched. It afterwards. I thought it

45:14

was more of a kind of what the

45:16

Rob Zombie movie did for Halloween where it

45:18

went into Michael Myers his backstory a bit

45:20

or in L a lot in the Rob

45:22

Zombie version. ten. We agreed. I don't I

45:25

guess so. but I know how I'm I'm

45:27

pretty saw it on this is or ever

45:29

a case where a movie is made better

45:31

than the original Harman can have to think

45:33

about thou on of I'm gonna be able

45:35

to pull an answer right now. yeah components

45:37

right now is I would say that the.

45:39

The. Remake of Texas Chainsaw was a good

45:42

movie but he doesn't touch the original. But

45:44

if the original didn't exist and you saw

45:46

that movie you be like this. a good

45:48

horror movie. Yeah yeah. Lot. Of

45:50

like to At the time he goes back to one it you

45:53

just make an on. New. Movie mean of

45:55

the chainsaw. The chainsaw as such a distinctive

45:57

are weapon you kind of got. If you

45:59

the use that as a weapon you gotta

46:01

make it a a part of that. It

46:03

seems like at this point I can like.

46:05

The remake of Friday the Thirteenth was pretty

46:07

good. I'm not a big Friday the Thirteenth

46:10

original fan, I like the nostalgia of it,

46:12

but ultimately it's all point of view because

46:14

Jason is even a character in the original.

46:16

Mrs for his mom is the killer. But

46:18

you don't even find out until the end

46:20

which is little bit of a twist. Sorry

46:22

for the spoiler again it's only for five

46:24

years. Hostels assists the yeah that one on

46:26

acid threshold but yeah I don't know. I

46:29

felt like the so. Jason is in the

46:31

first the or in the remake it throughout

46:33

the whole thing and I can I just

46:35

feel like that's a that's a scary your

46:37

character then then seeing it p o v

46:40

because you don't know the killer is and

46:42

you know Jason is such a in imposing

46:44

figure me in that movie that I he

46:46

seems and syllable so I don't know that

46:49

that one the first one that comes to

46:51

mind that I think is is somewhat close

46:53

by. It might have something to do with

46:55

my personal bias of the original Friday and

46:58

know and like the P O V. Are

47:00

kills and you bring a very interesting thing

47:02

with the pure V because in the reason

47:04

by Christmas you see things from the killers

47:07

eyes and there weren't lot of movies where

47:09

the did that You know that swirls new

47:11

still from him walking up to the house.

47:14

Interesting? You know that I know the creators

47:16

of a Halloween, Leno and Michael Myers house

47:18

where they walk up to that house and

47:20

you see his view it some was shot

47:23

for shot black versus because junk Harper like

47:25

that so much of the Killers be walking

47:27

up to the house that they put that.

47:30

In Halloween the same way. see it from the

47:32

killers eyes and then you see him actually climb

47:34

up the the trellis on the side of

47:36

the house to get into the attic and you

47:38

get that point of view even sing of hands.

47:41

Interesting. The see it from the killers

47:43

either. Not entirely from the and that

47:45

leaves open if they showed from the

47:48

victims eyes, you right away know who

47:50

the person is. It's like a big

47:52

spoiler. Doesn't really add any tension. Years.

47:55

You'd be to give the yeah killer a

47:57

mask which then it becomes a whole new

47:59

character. If news. That is wearing a mask.

48:01

Can you know the whole new character development?

48:03

Keith? That goes into your main killer. So

48:05

keeping a P O V super effective. It

48:08

was effective in Jaws. It was effective in

48:10

Halloween and is effective in black Christmas toys.

48:12

You're not showing a how old was Michael

48:14

Myers when he killed his sister. Six or

48:17

eight? Yeah, pretty young? Yeah yeah. See your

48:19

pure. These shouldn't be that of like an

48:21

adult. Like. When you go down the

48:23

stairs in your like that's not as tall

48:26

as he is. the p of is it

48:28

really only be used if it's a mystery

48:30

who the killer is in in my opinion.

48:32

Yeah, I'm because I target scarier seeing the

48:34

person from it from a distance or a

48:37

climbing up the roof or whatever, you know,

48:39

if you were. What the hell is that?

48:41

Sort of groundbreaking to cause like in Owned

48:43

by Christmas, it was like the original Go

48:45

Pro. She actually put some kind of homemade

48:48

attachment on himself to carry the camera. so

48:50

the camera mans actually climbing up. This.

48:52

Trellis and going into the attic the scammers attached

48:55

dominant sort of groundbreaking to they didn't really do

48:57

that stuff back then really gives you the feel

48:59

that you're seeing things from from Makoto perspective. It's

49:01

really really neat or that's interesting. Yeah to know

49:04

is that why it has that like what is

49:06

called the and a more I lead I'll yeah

49:08

yeah yeah as you can capture everything because it's

49:10

gonna be so close to that. Might.

49:13

Set the trellis and everything interesting. father's

49:15

little things that go together to me

49:17

to make a great movie. When you.

49:19

Add. All these were on gradients and that's

49:21

what makes it a fantastic movie. What's the

49:23

next one we're going to be reviewing? I

49:25

don't I. You guys invite me back. I'm

49:27

I'm always again. The signing. League. Upright.

49:29

Oh, by the signing for for our son, I

49:31

mean we managed to talk about Black Christmas or

49:33

an hour here. So I be I'm the Shining

49:35

would be a multiple part series. I

49:39

miss in watching the original on Black

49:41

Christmas or he watching it. I miss

49:44

the look of film because it's just.

49:46

you know you can see that green

49:48

moving on the screen and it's just

49:50

beautiful. I don't know something about that

49:53

gets me. I'd miss Dow Jack Digital's

49:55

movies. In of his films made on

49:57

digital, I don't really have. That same of.

50:00

And and to me that made it. Goes back

50:02

though, less is more fun. I don't mean. Shiny

50:05

read the digital premium

50:07

video. You know I

50:09

don't need special effects.

50:12

I just need a good atmosphere and

50:14

a good story and good characters. and

50:16

and the rest of falls into place

50:18

enough you've got a good product you

50:20

don't have that hide behind your all

50:23

these different jump scares and all these

50:25

different are technical. Special effects are a

50:27

morph. Well this has been a really

50:29

fun conversation. Let's definitely I simply do

50:31

this again or figure out another are

50:33

movie or or something to add to

50:35

talk about. I'm game any timing of

50:38

rather I'm happy to come this completely

50:40

satisfied that it's that I had to

50:42

discuss. This movie this is more

50:44

then satisfied my desire to type

50:46

of movie so thank you very

50:48

much. More.

51:16

Oh.