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Hi everyone, Larissa Russell of

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CreativeU Healing and today I

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have with me Jennifer Moore.

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Jennifer Moore is author of

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Amazon Best Seller, empathic

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mastery, founder and

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headmistress of Empathic Mastery

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Academy and hosts of the

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Empathic Mastery Show podcast.

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She's a master trainer for EFT

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International and a mentor and

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healer for other highly

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sensitive Empath. Intuitive from

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the get go, Jennifer experienced

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her first prophetic dream when

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she was nine, and she has been

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navigating her extrasensory

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awareness ever since supporting

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intuitives lightworkers. And

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creatives to use their abilities

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for Good is Jen's greatest

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passion. Learn more at empathic

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mastery.com Wow. You know, there

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are days when things go all like

1:05

the way the way they're supposed to and when they're not. But anyways, Welcome, Jennifer.

1:09

Thank you so much, Larissa. I

1:09

really appreciate it. And yes,

1:13

there are days where things go

1:13

exactly the way you want them

1:16

to. And then other days where

1:16

it's like, it's all sideways,

1:20

which could be an entire podcast

1:20

just about the creative process

1:24

when things go sideways. And

1:24

absolutely, you know, happy

1:28

accidents. Yeah, there's been so many

1:30

times, and that's the case. In

1:34

fact, somebody said that in a

1:34

class this morning, and they

1:36

were like, Oh, happy accidents.

1:36

I'm like, yes, let's make burns

1:38

out of it. Bob Ross, but it's so

1:38

true. There's times when we

1:42

completely shift. You know what

1:42

we're doing, saying? Whatever it

1:48

is, because, you know, that's

1:48

just the way it's going now?

1:52

Well, in personally, one of the

1:52

things I have found is that a

1:55

lot of times when things are

1:55

going smoothly, you don't

1:57

necessarily notice what needs to

1:57

be adjusted or shifted. And a

2:02

lot of times when something is

2:02

difficult or challenging or

2:06

something comes up, that's when

2:06

I get the clue that I need to

2:10

reconfigure something or that I

2:10

need to redefine something or

2:14

that I need to learn how to

2:14

express something a lot more

2:17

clearly. And when stuff just

2:17

goes smoothly, you know, we can

2:22

just keep on chugging along. And

2:22

a lot of times there are

2:26

improvements that would be

2:26

beneficial. That I'm not even

2:30

going to notice until something

2:30

goes sort of sideways, so, so

2:34

true. Yeah. I mean, happy

2:34

accidents. Often. It's like in

2:38

hindsight, it's like, Oh, if

2:38

that hadn't happened, then I

2:40

wouldn't know this. This this. And this is like literally my whole life.

2:43

Yeah. Let's just call it happy

2:47

accidents. Yeah. My bio, were the name of your

2:52

autobiography. happy accidents.

2:59

That's actually not a bad idea.

2:59

Yeah. So can you share us a

3:03

little bit of your story and the

3:03

path that's brought you to where

3:05

you are now? Ah, so this bio

3:05

that I, you know, tried too

3:10

hard. Yeah, absolutely. So my name is

3:11

Jennifer Elizabeth Moore. And as

3:14

you mentioned, I'm the author of

3:14

the book empathic mastery, which

3:18

the subtitle is a five step

3:18

system to go from emotional

3:21

hotness to thriving success. And

3:21

I also just, us just just

3:27

published, the journal, the

3:27

impact mastery diary to go with

3:31

it, which can is also a

3:31

standalone, and it's a 52 week

3:36

journal with all kinds of

3:36

prompts and cool stuff, and

3:39

affirmations and illustrations,

3:39

and just really, really fun

3:46

stuff, to track your process.

3:46

And so I started as a visual

3:52

artist from the time I was a

3:52

really, really little kid, but

3:57

with a lot of imagination, a lot

3:57

of curiosity, a lot of sense of

4:02

wonder and desire to be

4:02

connected to magic. And so I

4:09

processed the world through

4:09

making art, I processed the

4:13

world through, you know, sort of

4:13

the relationship to pen and

4:19

paper and crayons and all of

4:19

that. But at the same time, I

4:24

also was processing the world

4:24

through looking for and seeking

4:29

the extrasensory perceptions and

4:29

just kind of like the magic in

4:34

the world. And I was a very

4:34

sensitive kid. I was an hour I

4:41

was also an outlier. I was

4:41

different than a lot of the

4:44

other children. And, you know,

4:44

the thing about kids is they

4:47

recognize the ones that are not

4:47

their own kind. They and their

4:52

children are cruel. You know,

4:52

they can be really, they can be

4:56

really harsh around children who

4:56

are different and And where

5:01

adults, some adults know how to

5:01

be civil. Children, on the other

5:07

hand, really are like, you're

5:07

not like us. And so, you know, I

5:11

really identified with with

5:11

Rudolph in that, you know, I was

5:15

either the last one picked on

5:15

the team or just not allowed to

5:18

play the reindeer games. And so

5:18

I, I, I and I also not only was

5:25

just really different creative,

5:25

I was actually raised by

5:29

atheist. So I didn't have I was

5:29

raised in a very sort of

5:34

conservative, very white, very

5:34

upper middle class, proper New

5:40

England town where the sidewalks

5:40

got rolled up every Saturday

5:45

evening we had, we had no way

5:45

there were no bars, no alcohol,

5:49

we had blue laws. And, you know,

5:49

it's like we had more banks and

5:53

churches than anything else. And

5:53

so I grew up in it in that kind

5:58

of an environment as an

5:58

outsider. But I also was really

6:01

sensitive to the emotions, the

6:01

thoughts, the feelings, the

6:04

sensations that were going on

6:04

around me. And so I was

6:08

constantly being told that I was

6:08

too sensitive that I was

6:11

overreacting, that I was taking

6:11

things too, personally, that I

6:15

had an overactive imagination to

6:15

just suck it up and get over it.

6:19

And so I started to interpret

6:19

this as that there was something

6:23

wrong with me. And my way of

6:23

dealing with that as a little

6:28

kid and as an an even as a young

6:28

adult was through food, and

6:33

particularly through turning to

6:33

sugar. Because in the short

6:38

term, it made me feel much

6:38

better in the long term, it made

6:41

me feel a lot worse. And so sort

6:41

of the combination of being an

6:46

artist was one of the places

6:46

where I got to be myself. And

6:51

because I had her talent, and I

6:51

had the ability to, to do art

6:57

work visual art, well, it was

6:57

one of the places in my life

7:01

where I got, I got validation, I

7:01

got strokes, I got

7:06

acknowledgement for for my

7:06

talents and my skills. And so it

7:11

was a natural place for me to

7:11

go. And as I got older,

7:20

basically, I, I all of my coping

7:20

mechanisms, particularly things

7:26

like the food and the getting

7:26

into relationships, that were

7:30

not serving me, that kind of

7:30

stuff really started not working

7:34

to the point where I needed more

7:34

support and help. And so I

7:38

started on a healing journey for

7:38

myself. And eventually, that led

7:42

me beyond just being an artist,

7:42

to the point where I really

7:47

wanted to support and help other

7:47

people and share the miracle of

7:55

healing with other people,

7:55

because I know what it's like to

7:59

struggle. And I also know what

7:59

it's like to feel relief. And I

8:03

wanted to help other people with

8:03

that, though, I could go on and

8:06

on about the story, but that's

8:06

kind of like, I don't know,

8:09

that's, that's kind of the the

8:09

short, sweet version, you know,

8:13

kind of the HBO first look of

8:13

Jennifer Moore's life.

8:19

I love it. And it's so true

8:19

that, you know, similar to you,

8:24

what I had gone through and all

8:24

of those things led me to want

8:28

to share that. Yeah. Yeah. My,

8:28

the people to follow me as well,

8:33

because it's like, you know,

8:33

what works? And you're just

8:36

like, here, let me help you

8:36

because I want to, I want you to

8:40

feel better to Yeah, well, it and if you've been

8:43

struggling for a long period of

8:46

time, and a lot of the things

8:46

that ordinary solutions that you

8:50

know, kind of the average muggle

8:50

that works for them don't work

8:54

for you, or don't work for me.

8:54

Like I, I have tried so many

9:00

things. And especially when I

9:00

was younger, I tried so many

9:03

things. And I just found that a

9:03

lot of the things that kind of

9:07

the average person could do and

9:07

find a way to rally didn't cut

9:12

it for me. And so having the

9:12

experience of finding tools that

9:17

work really, like I don't know,

9:17

like I felt I don't take those

9:23

those tools for granted. I like

9:23

that and when I find something

9:27

that is effective and is

9:27

helpful, it's it's just so

9:30

precious to me. Yeah, that's exactly that's

9:33

exactly it. And I know you've

9:37

touched on this a little bit,

9:37

but what would you say healing

9:40

with creativity means to you hmm, I you know, the first

9:42

word or the first thought answer

9:48

that comes to me is the capacity

9:48

to heal with curiosity to

9:54

approach everything with an open

9:54

mind and with the ability to see

10:00

see things in a new way every

10:00

single time that I think

10:04

creativity, like the line

10:04

between creativity and like

10:08

innovation, inventiveness,

10:08

discovery is all interconnected.

10:15

And, you know, instead of

10:15

following a formula, and instead

10:19

of trying to make everything do

10:19

like, you know, point A to point

10:25

B followed these steps follow

10:25

these directions. For me,

10:29

healing with creativity is both

10:29

it's like, it's kind of one of

10:34

those words, it's one of those

10:34

sentences where it means this if

10:37

you say it this way, and this if

10:37

you say it that way, because

10:40

there's healing with creativity

10:40

as the modality. But then

10:45

there's also healing with

10:45

creativity, as the adjective

10:48

that we are using creativity, or

10:48

we're healing with creativity.

10:53

And I think that, for me,

10:53

there's the experience of using

10:59

creative expression, as the

10:59

modality as the expression,

11:04

whether it's movement, or

11:04

writing, or music, or drawing,

11:11

or creating in some way, or

11:11

collaging. There's that, but

11:16

then there's also that aspect of

11:16

healing with creativity in the

11:20

sense of all not making

11:20

assumptions, not not coming to

11:26

it with like a formula that has

11:26

to be followed. Because in my

11:31

experience, the most exciting,

11:31

creative, like healing process

11:36

is when there's this

11:36

inspiration. And, you know,

11:41

like, at each moment, you're

11:41

sort of listening and thinking

11:46

about what fits what works out,

11:46

you know, what are you going to

11:48

pull out of the tool box that's

11:48

going to work in this situation?

11:52

What's the question that you

11:52

want to draw out? And that you

11:55

want to get more information

11:55

about? Like, how do you want to

11:59

approach it? So I guess, just

11:59

thinking about that, for me, it

12:04

is both a noun, the modality of

12:04

creativity and also the

12:09

adjective of the process of, or

12:09

expressing or healing

12:15

creatively. Yeah, that's a really good point

12:17

that you make, right? Because we

12:21

often think of it as like, the

12:21

modality. And there's so it's so

12:25

much deeper than that. Right?

12:25

Yeah. And, and, and looking and

12:30

exploring new ways to heal, and,

12:30

and how, how that works for us,

12:35

and it's going to be different

12:35

for everyone. And when one

12:38

process may not work, and one

12:38

modality may not, you know, so

12:42

just that exploration, I think

12:42

is super important.

12:46

Well, and it's it's so much, I

12:46

think that I think that being an

12:50

artist is not about the product,

12:50

you know, being a creative

12:54

person does not necessarily mean

12:54

yes, you've got a bunch of

12:57

paintings behind you, I've got a

12:57

bunch of paintings behind me,

13:01

they're sort of like, it's

13:01

almost like there's kind of the

13:04

byproduct of creativity is all

13:04

of this wonderful stuff that you

13:07

put up on the wall, or that you

13:07

put, you know, that you listen

13:11

to, or you watch on your watch

13:11

on, on, you know, on a big

13:15

screen or a small screen. But I

13:15

think that, for me, creativity

13:21

is more about the way I look at

13:21

life and the way I perceive my

13:27

world and I engage with my world

13:27

than it is necessarily about the

13:32

product. Because I've gone

13:32

through a number of iterations

13:36

in my life with my creative

13:36

process, where the modality that

13:41

I thought I was married to

13:41

changed for me, and where I have

13:47

had to have the willingness to

13:47

shift gears and recognize that

13:53

even though I might not be

13:53

painting right now, or I might

13:57

not be writing, you know,

13:57

writing right now or I might not

14:01

be drawing right now. Or I might

14:01

not be moving my body or singing

14:08

or doing something right now

14:08

like there, whatever modality it

14:11

is that I identify as being I'm

14:11

a painter, I'm a sculptor, I'm a

14:15

this, that even if I'm not doing

14:15

that I'm still living my life.

14:20

From this experience of creative

14:20

process. Like everything is a

14:24

creative process. And I'm giving

14:24

myself like as a kid, and as a

14:29

young art students and sort of

14:29

young adults, even I had a lot

14:33

of more rigid rules about what

14:33

it meant to be a creative

14:38

person, which included this idea

14:38

of production or productivity

14:43

or, like what do you have to

14:43

show for the creativity? Whereas

14:47

at this point in time, I've gone

14:47

through enough phases in my life

14:51

where the creative outlet

14:51

changed, and there are times

14:56

where the creative outlet is

14:56

cooking. There are times Where

15:00

the creative outlet is writing,

15:00

there are times where the

15:02

creative outlet is digital, you

15:02

know, digital, like spending

15:07

hours in Canva, creating memes

15:07

and digital content. But it all

15:14

comes back to there are times

15:14

where the creative process is

15:17

creating ritual and creating

15:17

experiences for other people,

15:22

and teaching. And so I have

15:22

found that the ability to or the

15:28

willingness to reboot my

15:28

perspective, and give myself

15:35

permission to approach life as a

15:35

creative process, as opposed to

15:39

defining it by a paintbrush, or

15:39

a pen or a computer screen.

15:49

It's so true, I often talk about

15:49

that, you know, creativity isn't

15:52

everything we do everything.

15:52

And, and so many times we think

15:57

about, you know, painting a

15:57

masterpiece, or writing a best

16:00

selling book or playing in a

16:00

rock band, whatever it is, and,

16:03

and creativity, because it's in

16:03

everything we do. It's like, how

16:06

can we, like, look at that

16:06

creativity or appreciate that

16:11

creativity? To enhance our

16:11

lives, as opposed to, you know,

16:15

it being a chore? Right?

16:19

Well, being a chore. And also,

16:19

you know, I hear when you were

16:22

talking about, like, create a

16:22

masterpiece, being a rock star

16:26

being the New York Times best

16:26

seller, you know, this idea of

16:31

the end goal is, you know, I

16:31

think it's incredibly sad how

16:37

creativity in many ways has gone

16:37

from being something that's the

16:40

birthright of everybody, to

16:40

being very, you know, to having

16:45

sort of these elite contain, you

16:45

know, ideas of who's allowed to

16:50

be creative. And, you know, so

16:50

often when we're focused on it

16:56

has to be a masterpiece, it has

16:56

to be a New York Times

16:59

bestseller it has to be I have

16:59

to be a rock star. What I've

17:02

seen unfortunately, is that that

17:02

set of rules that perfectionism

17:08

is just a total buzzkill like it

17:08

is because it inhibits our

17:15

ability to create. And one of

17:15

the very best creative

17:19

suggestions that I ever received

17:19

when I was much much younger,

17:23

was I had this friend who we

17:23

were like art buddies, and we

17:27

sort of like support each other

17:27

and being creative and being

17:30

artists. And we hold each other

17:30

accountable. Like we would talk

17:34

on the phone almost every day

17:34

and just sort of be like so what

17:37

are you doing for creativity

17:37

today? And one of the things

17:41

that this person said was, was

17:41

that was like has left such an

17:46

incredibly lasting impression

17:46

was to she gave me the

17:50

assignment to create the very

17:50

worst piece of art I could

17:53

possibly make. And that is the

17:53

most fun assignment like whether

17:59

it is make the worst piece of

17:59

music you could ever possibly

18:02

make. Make the schlocky just

18:02

like make the schlep write the

18:07

schlocky is poem you could ever

18:07

write, paint the sappy as

18:11

painting the street, like the

18:11

worst, most mediocre most awful

18:14

thing you could ever do. And

18:14

what's really funny about that

18:18

is when you set that as your

18:18

assignment, not only is it

18:21

incredibly fun, but also you'll

18:21

start to discover that you can't

18:27

make something bad. Like, it's

18:27

next to impossible. Whereas if

18:31

you set the sight of I'm going

18:31

to create a masterpiece, you're

18:34

probably actually going to

18:34

create something pretty, you

18:36

know, the worst piece ever. So,

18:36

but when you set that as sort of

18:41

like a hey, what if I just give

18:41

myself permission to make the

18:43

worst thing I could possibly

18:43

make? freedom comes from that?

18:48

Yeah, it really does. And just,

18:48

you know, as you were saying

18:52

that I was I was thinking about

18:52

that expectations, right and,

18:56

and the expectations on us, and

18:56

which then got me thinking about

19:01

you know, why so many people

19:01

think they're not creative is

19:04

because of the school system.

19:04

And we're grading art. And it's

19:08

like, okay, technique is one

19:08

thing like to learn a technique.

19:12

But to tell me, I can't paint a

19:12

purple tree, because they don't

19:15

exist, and I have one in my

19:15

yard. But even if I didn't, you

19:20

know, like, I a purple tree that

19:20

works for me, right? You know,

19:25

grading that sort of thing. And

19:25

then and then people are afraid

19:28

to be creative in whatever way.

19:28

And like even I think about home

19:33

AK which was the thing I had to

19:33

take way back in the day. I did

19:37

that, you know, and we can vary

19:37

from the recipe. We couldn't add

19:41

a little of this or a little

19:41

that we like had to follow the

19:43

recipe. And it's like, with we

19:43

just we kill the creativity and

19:49

and now we're struggling because

19:49

it's like, oh, we don't have any

19:52

in our, you know, and now you

19:52

know, employers want people that

19:55

are more creative and it's like,

19:55

well, how do we bring that back?

19:58

You have to get people to think again. And Right, right, right. Well, and

20:00

you know, as you were speaking

20:04

about home Mac, I was thinking

20:04

it's kind of an interesting, you

20:07

know, dynamic because in my

20:07

experience with home Mac, part

20:11

of the reason why you couldn't

20:11

vary from the recipe was because

20:14

there was a very, very, there

20:14

was a set of a lot of supplies,

20:19

and staples, and there wasn't

20:19

extra vanilla extract, there

20:24

wasn't extra spices, there

20:24

wasn't really any, like, you

20:27

couldn't vary from the recipe,

20:27

partially because it was kind of

20:31

like they give you a kit. And

20:31

you had only so much stuff to

20:35

work with. And, you know, I

20:35

mean, it's funny, though,

20:38

because like, I, as a kid, I

20:38

grew up at the time where they

20:42

still had all of this paint by

20:42

numbers, paintings and stuff

20:45

like that. And I knew people who

20:45

really love to paint by numbers,

20:49

I loathed it. I hated painting

20:49

by numbers. And, you know, I

20:53

think one or two times people

20:53

gave me something with a paint

20:56

by numbers. And I would try it,

20:56

and then I would just kind of

20:59

like, Go wildly off road. And,

20:59

you know, it's funny, because

21:05

it's like coloring outside of

21:05

the lines, but with a coloring

21:09

book, or trying to paint by

21:09

numbers, but outside the

21:12

painting by numbers, that I

21:12

think is really like, it's much

21:16

easier to look at it and be like

21:16

you are doing this wrong, then

21:20

when you have a little bit of

21:20

structure that you can then but

21:24

that where there's room to play

21:24

or grow or stretch. So yeah,

21:30

yeah. And I, I agree so much

21:30

with that. And I've never been

21:34

one of those facilitators,

21:34

teachers that was like, Okay,

21:39

we're gonna do this, and you put

21:39

this paint here, and then you do

21:41

this. And it's like, Okay,

21:41

here's the supplies that we

21:45

have. Here's like, the general

21:45

idea. How does this feel

21:50

to you? Exactly. So I am not the person to come

21:53

to if you want to know an exact

21:56

way to replicate something.

21:56

That's not. But yeah, I think

22:00

it's so important that we have

22:00

that space.

22:04

Absolutely. Well, and what I

22:04

realized, you know, for me, one

22:08

of the things that I have found

22:08

over the years, and this has

22:11

been particularly true with

22:11

writing, like, I can start with

22:15

a blank piece of paper for a

22:15

piece of visual art. But when it

22:19

comes to writing, or getting the

22:19

thoughts or ideas down, I have

22:23

discovered that I do way better

22:23

responding to things responding

22:28

to prompts, responding to

22:28

questions responding to, you

22:32

know, it's we were talking

22:32

about, like that idea of

22:34

discovering something needs

22:34

course correction, or needs

22:37

adapting, uh, you know, when I

22:37

discovered that there's a

22:40

problem, and we're looking for a

22:40

solution, I'm much more able to

22:44

access my creativity and access

22:44

that sort of experience, and

22:51

then kind of engage with it and

22:51

find next thing, next thing next

22:55

thing than if I'm just sort of

22:55

trying to create something out

22:59

of whole cloth, like, and so I

22:59

know for myself, like having

23:04

access to templates can really

23:04

make a huge difference. Being

23:09

able to take like, even one of

23:09

the things about my writing

23:12

process is I come from a family

23:12

with a lot of dyslexia, and a

23:17

lot of ADHD, I definitely

23:17

consider myself neuro spicy. And

23:22

so what I am, what I've found is

23:22

that for like, for example, for

23:27

the writing process, I generally

23:27

have to speak things before I

23:33

can write things. And when I

23:33

gave myself permission to take

23:39

pieces of, you know, record

23:39

things, rip them as transcripts,

23:43

and then take that content and

23:43

often toss it over to one of my

23:48

cont one of my editing friends,

23:48

and let the editor take a whack

23:53

at it and just cleaned it up a

23:53

little bit, and then throw it

23:56

back at me and then I get to go

23:56

back in and write and play and

24:00

engage with it, I find that that

24:00

process is so much more

24:06

accessible than just sort of

24:06

starting with a blank piece of

24:10

paper and going okay, so now

24:10

what and the other thing is,

24:14

like, even with like, for emails

24:14

and things like that, you know,

24:19

starting with sort of, like

24:19

templates, where it's like, you

24:23

know, you know, your favorite

24:23

version of greeting, you know,

24:28

term name for the person,

24:28

situation you're in, but you

24:33

know, like, even if it's just

24:33

they're saying, like, use this

24:35

use this formula and plug and

24:35

play. I find that to be much

24:40

easier. And yet that is so

24:40

different than sort of the, you

24:45

know, following along with Bob

24:45

Ross, or going to one of those

24:50

like, wine and painting

24:50

evenings, where everybody comes

24:55

away with the same painting of

24:55

the moon in the tree.

24:59

Yeah, yeah. It's so true. And

24:59

because we've been taught that,

25:04

first of all, not to trust

25:04

ourselves, but also that

25:06

creativity has got to be a

25:06

certain way. Templates are

25:09

wonderful for that, because it

25:09

allows you to explore with a

25:13

little bit of prompting, without

25:13

doing it all for you. Yeah, I

25:19

absolutely agree with that. I

25:19

use them myself. And it's more

25:22

the way that I would, I would

25:22

instruct. And yeah, I love that.

25:27

Well, and, you know, I mean,

25:27

right now, within the creativity

25:30

world, there is a lot of hubbub

25:30

and a lot of stuff going on

25:38

around AI, you know, like, I

25:38

mean, it's just amazing. And my

25:43

personal feeling about it is

25:43

that instead of looking at it as

25:47

competition, what if we looked

25:47

at it in terms of collaboration,

25:52

and instead of looking at it as

25:52

this is going to replace me,

25:55

what if we look at it as this is

25:55

a tool I can use to expedite the

26:00

process to save myself some

26:00

time, and to adapt things. But

26:07

you know, because I've heard a

26:07

lot of artists who are just up

26:10

in arms with this idea that AI

26:10

is going to replace humans I and

26:15

I'm kind of like, until AI

26:15

actually can represent or render

26:18

hands effectively, I don't think

26:18

we have anything to worry about

26:23

for a while. You know, and

26:23

there's also just something, you

26:26

know, I don't know, like just a

26:26

little bit sort of lacking in

26:30

the, in the AI at this point in

26:30

time. But you know, this like

26:35

with like, chat, the chats, GPD

26:35

GPT, I think it is, you know,

26:41

the AI, the chat AI, that's just

26:41

like taking the world by storm

26:46

right now. And also all of the

26:46

visual art API, I actually

26:52

personally find it if you look

26:52

at it as a tool that you can

26:56

collaborate with, that can help

26:56

you and might give you ideas or

26:59

prompts or thoughts. And then

26:59

you can take it and go, Oh, I

27:02

could do this with this thing.

27:02

You know, and even before that,

27:07

I went through a period where I

27:07

was still doing a lot of visual

27:10

art and painting. And I would go

27:10

and I would take drawings that I

27:15

had done. And I would bring that

27:15

I would I would have them

27:19

printed digitally, like on a

27:19

canvas by like Canva, or, you

27:22

know, like, not Canva, I mean,

27:22

Zazzle or some other place like

27:25

that. And then I would go back

27:25

into the printed canvas, that

27:30

was my original illustration. So

27:30

my own work, but then I'd go

27:34

back in, and I would take paint

27:34

to the the printed canvas, and I

27:39

would go and rework the whole

27:39

thing and play with it and

27:42

create a new iteration of art

27:42

from that. And so I, I love the

27:49

idea of it, you know, what?

27:49

Like, like, how do we play with

27:53

something, so that it's not just

27:53

derivative, but it really is a

27:58

whole new iteration and a whole

27:58

new way of playing with it. And,

28:02

you know, I don't know, like, as

28:02

I'm talking, what's coming to my

28:04

mind, and I'm thinking about is

28:04

just how much play is such an

28:09

incredibly important part of the

28:09

creative process, and giving

28:13

ourselves permission to be

28:13

playful, to break the rules to

28:18

not have it to be it doesn't

28:18

have to be perfect.

28:21

Yeah. And I think this is like

28:21

the perfect, you know, wrap up

28:26

right there is like, give

28:26

ourselves permission to play

28:29

doesn't have to be perfect. And

28:29

just just get out there and do

28:34

experience try. Yeah, yeah. And

28:34

any final words before we go

28:40

today, it's just been wonderful

28:40

to talk to you, oh, of Larissa,

28:44

it has been so delightful to

28:44

talk about creativity. I mean,

28:48

I, it I think once a creative

28:48

person, always a creative

28:52

person. And I guess I want to go

28:52

back to the piece of, well, two

28:58

things. One is that in my

28:58

experience, there's a there's a

29:02

solid, there's often a crossover

29:02

between creative creativity and

29:06

empathy or being an empath. And

29:06

I didn't discuss this before,

29:11

but we talked a little bit about

29:11

the word Empath, and empathic.

29:15

And I'll just say that very

29:15

short, very, very short

29:18

definition. An Empath is a

29:18

person who picks up the

29:20

thoughts, feelings, energy and

29:20

sensations from the world around

29:23

them, and filters that

29:23

experience as if it's their own.

29:27

And what I have noticed is that

29:27

because artists and empaths are

29:30

often intersected, that one of

29:30

the things that as artists we

29:35

need to be aware of is the

29:35

impact of other people's

29:39

thoughts, feelings and energy on

29:39

our own creative process, and

29:43

our own expectations of what we

29:43

think we should or should not be

29:46

doing. And a lot of times, it's

29:46

not necessarily even our

29:52

limitations that we're coming up

29:52

against. It's the world's

29:55

limitations, and coming back to

29:55

that permission I give myself

30:01

permission to release that which

30:01

is not mine, I give myself

30:06

permission to, you know,

30:06

identify as an artist to

30:09

identify as a creative and to

30:09

let myself play, and that it is

30:15

okay, for creativity to be

30:15

simply because it improves, It

30:21

like makes life so much sweeter,

30:21

so much more wonderful, so much

30:25

more delightful. And to break

30:25

away from, you know, patriarchy

30:30

and capitalism and empire where

30:30

everything is about the bottom

30:33

line. And instead, like, what if

30:33

creativity gets to be a radical

30:40

part of the healing path that we

30:40

as a species are taking to

30:44

reclaim our sovereignty to

30:44

reclaim our connection to the

30:48

earth, and to live in a way that

30:48

is sustainable, and is

30:54

nourishing, as opposed to, you

30:54

know, like, non sustainable and

31:01

all about the productivity. So,

31:01

like, I give myself permission

31:08

to just simply be, and to make

31:08

and to be a maker. And I invite

31:14

everybody who's listening to

31:14

really claim that right to play

31:19

to make to be, and to let go of

31:19

the other people's egos other

31:25

people's expectations, other

31:25

people's ideas of what it means

31:29

to be creative, and just let it

31:29

be. Okay. So that's, those are

31:33

my final words. I love that. I absolutely love

31:34

that. And I see that you have a

31:38

free gift, the empathic safety

31:38

guide three basics for finding

31:42

calm in the eye of the storm. So

31:42

we'll make sure that link is

31:46

there. Awesome. Thank you so much. Yes.

31:46

And again,

31:49

thank you so much for being here today. So it has really been a

31:52

pleasure. Thank you so much for

31:55

having me. To our listeners, we will see

31:57

you again next time and in the

32:00

meantime, I wish for you

32:00

amazingly creative days.