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Well , hello , my name is Anngelle

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Wood and this is Crime of

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the Truest Kind . I

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thought I'd hold off till post-holiday weekend to share

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this show . I used some new audio software

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on today's show and

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I don't think I like it very much , but

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thanks for being here . This is episode

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65 . Here

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, this is episode 65 . Taking a break from the Canton craziness that I covered

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for the last couple of episodes , we will do a check-in , though I think we will

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do a check-in to get caught up in the

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happenings in the

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John O'Keefe murder trial . Meanwhile

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, there are so very many other things

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going on . Follow

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you support it as a Patreon

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patron or if you simply

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just share the show and tell other

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people about it . I

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would love all of that . Well

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, this is something maybe

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a little bit different . This

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is about juvenile

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lifers who are now

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eligible for parole and

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the massive toll that that

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takes on the families involved

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. Episode 65

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, bracing for

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Impact . May

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25th is National Missing Children's

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Day . I marked it by

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sharing the names of many children who are

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still missing in Massachusetts and New England

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Andy

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Puglisi , Melanie Melanson , Jennifer Fay , Deborah Quimby , Jesus de la Cruz , Kristopher Lewis

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, Brianna Maitland , Nelida Del Valle . Etan Patz , first missing child , featured on a milk carton after he disappeared from a New York City street in 1979 . Four

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years after his disappearance , president

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Ronald Reagan declared

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May 25th National

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Missing Children's Day . As

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for Etan , his case went cold

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until a lead came in 2012

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. A man

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who was known to the Soho neighborhood where

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the Patz's lived was charged

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and ultimately convicted , but

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Eitan is still missing . His

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remains have never been recovered . Still

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missing . His remains have never been recovered . This is episode 65 . My eyes were opened

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to the parole process in the Commonwealth , where families are forced

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to face their loved one's killer in

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fear they will be set free . Now

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I have taken time to learn about Miller versus

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Alabama and Commonwealth versus

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Diatchenko . I attended

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the parole hearing of the man

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who murdered Beth Brodie in 1992 . Now

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there are two episodes about Beth Episode

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17 that I did in 2021

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, and episode 62

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that I

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did a few weeks ago , when I spoke

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to Beth's brother , Sean , for a second

3:43

time , but

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this time about the scheduled parole hearing of her killer . Now

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, doing this podcast , I've learned a lot and

3:55

a lot about myself . I don't know

3:57

everything , but I want to know everything

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. So I find myself peeling

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layer after layer of the

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onion to learn everything I

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can about these stories , these

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real-life happenings . And

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well , it takes a long time

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. The

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parole hearing for

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Beth Brodie's killer was

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May 16th 2024

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. The man who

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murdered Beth Brodie in 1992 , when

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she was 15 , was

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just 16 . Convicted

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of first-degree murder , he was sentenced to life

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in prison without the chance of

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parole A juvenile lifer

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they are called . My

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wish for all of you listening is that you never know

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how it feels to lose someone so violently and , in Beth's case , so young

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, and have to revisit those painful happenings

4:56

years later with

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such vivid detail . It

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will derail your life . The

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worry , the anxiety , the

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fear . Too many

5:09

families have been faced with this new reality

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their enemy

5:13

, their juvenile killer

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, was sent to prison for

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life . Oh , but

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not so fast Were you trying to

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heal from your enormous loss , the

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one that derailed your entire life ? There

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are a number of high-profile

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offenders going before the parole board , some

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for the first time , like

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the juvenile lifer who murdered

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14-year-old Amy Carnevale in

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Beverly , massachusetts , in 1991

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. It

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is an incredibly cruel

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crime . He

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was up for his initial hearing this

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year . A 2019

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hearing was postponed For

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what reason , I am not sure

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. In

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May of 2014 , a coalition

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of Massachusetts families composed

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of members of Beth Brodie's , Janet

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Downing , Amy Carnevale , Lewis

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Jennings and Bonnie Sue Mitchell's

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relatives came together to

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testify in response to S2008

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, the ruling that effectively

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invalidated life sentencing for juveniles

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. These

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are the words from Amy Carnevale's

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cousin , Jen , portions

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of the testimony she delivered

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that day in May 2014

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. I

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am not sure that anyone can understand

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what a family goes through when their loved

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one is murdered , unless

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their family has gone through it too . I'm

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going to do my best to let you know how my

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family feels when

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you go to the hearing for Bill S-2008,

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. Please consider

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my statement on behalf of my family

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. Amy

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Carnevale was a sweet and kind

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14-year-old girl . She

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was positive and thoughtful , the

7:13

first to help her friends and the first

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to see the best in everyone . Her

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smile was infectious . Shortly

7:22

before her death , amy finished 8th

7:24

grade and was eager to begin her

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freshman year of high school . She

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was full of hopes and dreams , and

7:31

exuberance . Amy

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had already chosen to become a cheerleader

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for Beverly High and had hopes to

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become a hairdresser upon graduation

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. We will never

7:43

know what other goals she may have chosen for her

7:45

future , because on August 23

7:48

, 1991 , she

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was brutally murdered by 16-year-old

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Jamie Fuller . Amy's

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violent and premeditated death has

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caused and continues to

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cause her family and friends

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immeasurable pain , used

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to cause her family and friends immeasurable pain

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. When

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you hear the horrific details of how your loved one was brutally murdered

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, the information burns its way into your heart and your soul . There

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is nothing you can do to stop it , to make

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it go away , to heal it . It

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is forever a part of you , like it

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or not . Amy's

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mother , cindy Rowe , can't be here today . She

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never recovered from Amy's death . She

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faithfully attended the trial of her daughter's

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killer . She listened to every

8:37

painful detail of the brutal circumstances

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of the death of her daughter . She

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was powerless to protect her little girl from

8:45

this brutality . Cindy

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endured the near-constant media coverage

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of her daughter's death and

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the lengthy trial . She

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had constant psychiatric visits and

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took countless medications . As

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a result , A

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heartbroken woman , cindy passed

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away in 2009 . Cynthia

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Rogill passed away on April

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2 , 2009 , at

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her home in Salem Massachusetts . She

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was just 56 . You

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can read the full testimony of Amy's cousin

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and other family members . It's

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posted at justiceforbethbrodycom

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. I've linked all of this at

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crimeofthetruestkindcom . In

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Amy's cousin's testimony she also

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spoke of an escape plan by Amy's

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juvenile killer one year after

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his guilty verdict . That

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was orchestrated by his own mother

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and another man , a boyfriend

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. Evidently they

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were caught before they could go through with it thanks

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to monitoring of prison , phone calls , a

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jailhouse snitch and some undercover

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police work . His

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mother was sentenced to six to nine years in

10:04

prison for her involvement in the conspiracy

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to break her son , a

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convicted murderer , out of prison

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. There

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was no doubt she also suffered . Celeste

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Fuller also died that year

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, december 15th 2009

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, at the age of 55

10:23

. Both

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mothers' arrangements were

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handled by the same funeral home in Beverly

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and perhaps the same

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one that handled Amy's . Ten years almost to the

10:38

day after that appeal to the legislative

10:40

committee , the

10:44

family of Amy Carnevale and their supporters were forced to face her killer

10:46

in a room at the Mass State Parole Board

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in Natick for his requested

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hearing . Ten

10:53

years almost to the day , the family

10:55

of Janet Downing will be forced to face

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the person convicted of her murder

10:59

, a 15-year-old

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boy in the summer of 1995

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, the grandson of a former Somerville police

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chief and a close friend of

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the Downing boys and

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who lived across the street in their Somerville

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neighborhood . Some

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press accounts refer to Edward O'Brien

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Jr as the teddy bear killer

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. They

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can't help themselves . They

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don't let you forget he was an altar boy , hence

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the more popular name , the altar

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boy murder , as

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if having been an altar boy is a proud thing in

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Boston anymore . Please

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watch the film Spotlight for more context

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on that . Eddie

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, as everyone seemed to call him , was

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big . People

11:53

who knew him said he was a teddy bear Six

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feet four , 260

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pounds . He

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lived with his parents and sisters in that Somerville

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neighborhood . Warehouses

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are pretty close together and people

12:08

who grew up in those neighborhoods were close-knit

12:10

Many

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multi-generational living arrangements and multi-family homes and lots

12:21

of triple-deckers . Most

12:31

everyone had good things to say about Eddie O'Brien , making the events of that day and the days that

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followed even more shocking and bewildering . Now it is important to mention that four months before Janet

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Downing was murdered , the city of Somerville was rocked by the rape and murder of 17-year-old

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Deanna Kremen . Deanna

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had stayed out past her curfew that night telling

12:44

her mother she'd be home soon , but

12:47

did not return . From her boyfriend's house a

12:49

few blocks away , tommy

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LeBlanc was the last person to see her alive

12:55

the next morning , on March

12:57

30th , two children

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who knew Deanna from her work as a babysitter

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found her . She

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loved kids and was part of the child development

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program at Somerville High . She

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wanted to be a preschool teacher . That

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was a horrible thing for the kids to see

13:13

and something Gianna would never have wanted

13:15

for them . Gianna

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was found behind the senior housing complex at

13:20

125 Jock Street , a

13:22

shortcut for the kids on their way to school that

13:24

morning and so very

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close to her own home . Catherine

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Kremen , deanna's mom , told Bostoncom

13:32

that Deanna's boyfriend , tommy LeBlanc

13:34

, told her and the police that

13:37

he walked her halfway home , leaving

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her at the intersection of Heath and Bond

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Streets Odd , seeing

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, as he would always walk her to her

13:46

door making sure she was safe . When

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Deanna was found so

13:53

close to that spot , it

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measured approximately 475

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feet from her home in the Winter

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Hill neighborhood . While

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there are people of interest , deanna

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Crimmins' murder remains unsolved to

14:09

this day , which

14:12

is outrageous and

14:14

unacceptable . A

14:17

$70,000 reward is

14:20

available for help in leading to the identity

14:22

of her murderer . Now

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I know some of you will say did

14:26

they look at O'Brien for this ? I'm

14:29

sure they probably did . There is

14:31

DNA evidence and

14:33

we need science on our side to

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solve Deanna's murder . I

14:39

would like to research Deanna's case further

14:41

for a future episode and

14:44

I'm sure hearing about Deanna's murder affected

14:47

Janet Downing , the mother

14:49

of two of her own girls and

14:52

Janet's kids likely knew Deanna

14:54

. They must have the

14:59

Downing murder split the neighborhood and

15:02

the city in two , not unlike

15:05

another case going on right now

15:07

in Massachusetts . Janet

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Downing was always smiling and kind , looking

15:14

out for all the kids hers , her

15:16

kids' friends , and all the neighborhoods

15:18

. Janet and her husband

15:21

had divorced years before . They

15:23

seemed to have an amicable relationship for

15:25

the sake of their four kids , teenagers

15:28

by then . All

15:31

five of them lived in a duplex that she

15:33

owned at 71 Boston Street

15:35

in Somerville , prospect

15:37

Hill . A short walk

15:40

to Union Square for those of you who are familiar

15:42

, and a drive from the

15:44

house on Boston Road to

15:46

the Boston Garden where the Bruins play for

15:49

those of you not familiar is about

15:51

10 minutes , but that's

15:53

on paper , certainly more in

15:55

regular Boston traffic . On

15:58

July 23 , 1995 , a

16:01

Sunday night , Janet

16:03

had gone to the grocery store , a common

16:06

mom thing to do . She worked

16:08

at a health care organization in Medford

16:10

and she had to get ready for the week ahead . It's

16:14

midsummer , lots of kids in and

16:16

out of the house , twin teenage

16:19

boys and they eat . That

16:22

late afternoon other kids were over

16:24

, like always . One

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of the boys who helped carry in the groceries

16:29

that Sunday night was the boy

16:31

who'd be charged with her murder , the

16:35

big kid from across the street , her

16:37

son's friend , grandson

16:39

of the former Somerville

16:41

police chief , the

16:44

6'4" , 260-pound

16:46

kid . Sometime

16:50

between 8.30 and 9.15

16:52

, janet is attacked

16:54

in her home At

16:57

5'2 and 114

17:00

pounds . It is a fierce battle

17:02

. It's

17:05

absolute brutality . Janet's

17:07

son returns home sometime about 9.45

17:10

and notices the water running in the

17:12

bathroom at the end of the hall , which

17:15

is certainly odd . He

17:18

finds his mom on the floor in the dining

17:20

room and runs for help across

17:22

the street to the O'Briens

17:24

. Edward O'Brien Sr

17:27

calls police who arrive within minutes

17:29

. The officer

17:31

meets Mr O'Brien and Janet's

17:33

son outside their home . The

17:37

officer enters the home to find

17:39

a gruesome crime scene . He

17:43

sees Janet on the floor , knowing

17:46

by the condition of the home that

17:48

it was very serious and

17:51

not an accident , and

17:55

there lying next to her was

17:57

her golden retriever . The

18:00

dog got up , walked over

18:03

to the officer Officer Blair . According

18:05

to this court record , the

18:08

dog took the officer's hand in

18:10

his mouth and led him over to Janet

18:12

and sat down next

18:14

to her again . Dogs

18:18

are incredible beings . At

18:22

the same time this is going on on

18:24

Boston Street , a call comes in

18:26

to Somerville PD from Edward O'Brien

18:28

Jr . He is at the Midnight

18:31

Convenience Store in Union Square where

18:33

he had been working part-time . The

18:36

store is a nine-minute walk from his house

18:38

and a two-minute walk from

18:40

Somerville Police Station . From

18:45

Somerville Police Station Still

18:47

, eddie O'Brien made a call to the police to report that he had been attacked by two

18:49

men on the street . Was

18:51

this to set up his obvious injuries

18:53

? Telling police he was attacked by two

18:56

men with a knife , one black , one

18:58

Hispanic . Also , jesus

19:00

, fucking Christ , this again . That

19:04

is a wound that never heals

19:06

. After Carol DeMady

19:09

Stewart was shot in the head by her husband

19:11

and he blamed a non-existent

19:14

black man in a tracksuit from Mission Hill

19:16

. I trust

19:18

you watch the HBO Max series Murder

19:20

in Boston , please

19:23

do , because it's all true . Murder

19:30

in Boston . Please do , because it's all true . O'brien calls police from the store instead

19:33

of going to the police station where his grandfather

19:35

was previously chief

19:37

of police . Hmm

19:39

, fishy . I

19:43

have talked about Midnight Convenience in Union Square

19:45

before . It is the exact

19:48

location where Charlene Rosemond who

19:50

went missing in 2009 , was

19:52

discovered shot to death in her father's

19:55

car in the lot behind the store

19:57

Another

20:00

unsolved case . That is very upsetting

20:02

. We talked

20:04

about Charlene in a live show I did with

20:06

Emily Sweeney from the Boston Globe . I

20:08

have an episode in the works about Charlene's

20:11

unsolved murder . I also have

20:13

a live show with Emily Sweeney coming

20:15

up at Faces Brewing in Malden on

20:17

June 20th . That

20:20

will be on sale this week . A

20:24

few days after Janet's murder the

20:27

cops closed in on Edward O'Brien

20:29

Jr . There was

20:31

the strange behavior that made him stand

20:33

out , witness testimony

20:36

and then the evidence Janet's

20:40

kids had shared that O'Brien admitted

20:42

to watching her undress through the windows

20:44

and had asked her sons

20:46

odd questions about their mom . What

20:51

was done to her was savage , sadistic

20:54

. So many wounds

20:56

. The

20:58

attack was so violent

21:00

it broke one of her ribs . I won't

21:02

get into more of the details about what was done to her , so violent it broke

21:05

one of her ribs . I won't get into more of the details

21:07

about what was done to her , but

21:10

it was

21:13

horrible . Once he was arrested there

21:18

was much contention over how he would be charged as a juvenile or as an

21:20

adult . There

21:24

was a long process of

21:26

heartache and transfer hearings . The

21:29

families had to wait and

21:32

the case grew more and more emotionally

21:34

. Charged Supporters

21:36

of the O'Brien family felt there was no possible

21:38

way he could have done it and that the

21:40

district attorney , thomas Riley , was

21:42

hell-bent on railroading this kid . The

21:46

grandson of a Somerville

21:48

police chief , riley

21:51

, in an unprecedented step for a DA

21:53

, tried the case himself , telling

21:57

writer Michael Blanding for a piece for

22:00

Boston Magazine in 2006,

22:02

. I've seen all

22:04

levels of violence and this was

22:06

off the charts . The

22:10

article goes on to say about the O'Brien

22:12

case . The brutality

22:14

of the crime convinced him that O'Brien

22:16

was unnaturally violent and

22:19

would kill again if he went through the juvenile

22:21

system , only to be released a few

22:23

years later . He

22:25

took the unprecedented step of trying

22:28

the case himself , leading

22:30

angry residents to accuse him of

22:32

using the boy's trial for his own

22:35

political ends . When

22:38

the court turned down his request to try

22:40

O'Brien as an adult , riley

22:43

appealed the decision all the way to the state

22:45

Supreme Judicial Court . Then

22:48

, an hour upon

22:50

hour of televised testimony yep

22:53

, it was covered on court TV . Da

22:56

Riley laid out his case until

22:58

a jury and a shocked public gradually

23:01

conceded that the teenager

23:03

was guilty of first-degree murder . When

23:09

O'Brien was sentenced to life , the

23:11

case became a landmark in juvenile

23:14

crime , inspiring

23:16

legislation that required juveniles

23:19

14 and older charged

23:21

with murder in Massachusetts to be tried

23:24

as adults . It

23:26

also made Riley's career . Detractors

23:30

accused him of grandstanding before the TV

23:32

cameras and turning the case into

23:34

a political issue . He could ride into higher

23:36

office . The most vocal

23:39

was O'Brien's father , who

23:41

lunged at Riley in the courtroom when the

23:43

verdict was read , then

23:45

raked him over the afterwards saying

23:48

his political career was on the line and

23:50

that's all he cares about . This

23:53

Boston Magazine piece is linked at CrimeOfTheTruestKindcom

23:56

. In

23:59

1998 , tom Riley

24:01

was elected Attorney General . In

24:04

2006 , he made a run for governor

24:06

but lost to Deval Patrick

24:08

. Now

24:13

, given the 2013 ruling

24:15

where juveniles convicted of murder with

24:17

a mandatory life sentence can be eligible

24:19

for parole , edward

24:22

O'Brien Jr's parole hearing is scheduled

24:24

for Tuesday , june 25 , 2024

24:27

in Natick . Please

24:30

sign and share the Justice for Janet Downing

24:32

petition . Write to the parole

24:35

board . Support

24:37

her family . In

24:40

an excerpt from that 2014 legislative

24:42

testimony where the families testified

24:45

asking that lifers not be

24:47

considered for parole after only 15

24:49

years , erin Downing , janet's

24:52

daughter , said this in part

24:54

Even after

24:56

all these years , my sorrow , anger and

24:58

loss remain on the surface . When

25:01

you lose someone at the violent

25:04

hands of another , you never heal from

25:06

that . It's a wound that remains

25:08

open forever , causing you pain

25:10

for the rest of your life . I

25:12

strongly believe that 15 years is not

25:14

an adequate amount of time served before

25:16

being eligible for parole Because

25:19

, as I stated before , we're talking about

25:21

premeditated , heinous crimes

25:23

. Victims and their

25:25

families should take priority

25:28

over killers . Why

25:35

is this happening ? Well , in

25:37

2023 , the Massachusetts

25:40

Supreme Judicial Court ruled that life

25:42

without the chance of parole for juveniles would

25:44

end retroactively

25:46

. The name Gregory

25:49

Diacchenko plays a major role here

25:51

. I'll come back to that . The

25:55

SJC ruling came on the heels of the US

25:58

Supreme Court's decision in Miller v

26:00

Alabama . The

26:03

court held that the Eighth Amendment of the

26:05

Constitution there are more than two , thank

26:07

you . Prohibition

26:09

against cruel and unusual punishment

26:11

forbids the mandatory sentence of life in

26:13

prison without the possibility of parole

26:16

for juvenile killers . Children

26:18

are constitutionally different from adults

26:20

for sentencing purposes . Well

26:23

, I guess they are now . It is a significant

26:26

event and struck down mandatory life

26:28

or death in prison sentences for

26:30

children , as defined as

26:32

those under 18 at the time

26:34

of their crimes . I

26:37

found the age matrix that provides information

26:40

on each state's age of majority and

26:43

the age at which a juvenile can

26:45

be prosecuted as an adult the

26:48

majority of states where a juvenile case can

26:50

be transferred to adult court is

26:52

14 . There are several asterisks

26:55

on various states for degree

26:57

of offense . What

27:01

precipitated this ? On

27:04

June 25 , 2012 , the

27:06

US Supreme Court issued the ruling

27:08

in Miller v Alabama and

27:10

its companion case , jackson v

27:13

Hobbs , holding that mandatory

27:15

life without parole sentencing for all

27:17

children 17 or younger convicted

27:20

of homicide are unconstitutional

27:22

. Two juveniles

27:24

named in the cases , evan Miller

27:26

and Control Jackson Control

27:30

with a K , were sentenced to life

27:32

in prison without parole at 14

27:34

. The SCOTUS decision would

27:36

entitle them to new sentencing hearings

27:39

, a ruling that would affect

27:41

hundreds of inmates . The

27:45

Miller and Miller v Alabama . In

27:47

July 2003 , a 14-year-old

27:50

boy named Evan Miller beat a man

27:52

with a baseball bat and set his trailer

27:54

on fire . This

27:56

happened in the small town of about 100

27:59

people called Five Points , alabama

28:02

. It's close

28:04

to the Georgia state line and

28:06

about one hour from Talladega

28:08

Speedway . I told you

28:10

I like to know everything from

28:14

Talladega Speedway . I told you I like to know

28:16

everything . Evan

28:19

Miller and Colby Smith , who was 16 at the time , went to the trailer of a neighbor

28:21

in the country living trailer park . That neighbor , 52-year-old Cole

28:23

Cannon , had only lived there for

28:25

a few weeks . There was a problem

28:27

with his phone line , so

28:30

he came to the Millers to use theirs . That's

28:36

when Miller and Smith snuck into his trailer and stole baseball cards from his

28:38

collection he had amassed as a baseball card

28:40

shop owner . Throughout

28:42

the night the two would take several trips

28:44

back and forth from Cole's mobile

28:47

home to the Millers . The

28:49

versions of who did what differ

28:52

. They

28:57

did hit him with fists and they did beat Cannon with a bat

28:59

and stole his wallet and

29:02

$350 . During

29:05

the trial testimony we heard

29:07

how Evan Miller placed a sheet over

29:09

Cole's head and said Cole , I

29:12

am God and I come to take your life

29:15

. They

29:17

set his trailer on fire , left

29:20

him inside incapacitated

29:22

and pleading for help . There

29:25

were a few obvious points of origin for

29:28

the fire . Large

29:30

amounts of blood saturated the walls and

29:32

the furniture . Colby Smith

29:34

pleaded guilty and was convicted of felony

29:36

murder and is serving a life with

29:39

a possibility of parole at

29:41

the state prison in Clio , alabama . Miller

29:45

, who faced an all-female jury

29:47

, was convicted of capital

29:50

murder , arson and capital

29:52

murder robbery . In

29:56

2005 , the US Supreme

29:58

Court had ruled that juvenile killers

30:00

cannot get a death sentence in

30:02

a decision called Roper v

30:04

Simmons . The

30:06

execution of people under 18

30:09

at the time of their crimes violates

30:12

the federal constitutional guarantee

30:14

against cruel and unusual

30:16

punishment . That

30:19

left many states who still had the death

30:21

penalty that is

30:23

, half who have it with new

30:25

asterisked , with only one option

30:27

for sentencing juveniles convicted of

30:29

capital murder Life

30:32

with no chance at parole , because

30:35

that sentence was , in essence , automatic

30:38

or mandatory for juveniles convicted

30:40

of capital murder . There was no need

30:42

for a sentencing hearing to reveal any

30:44

mitigating factors such as age

30:46

and maturity , his shitty family

30:48

abuses he may have suffered

30:50

, his drug use at a young age , his

30:53

mental health and a litany of personality

30:55

disorders that did not keep him from getting

30:57

the harshest sentence the court could hand down

30:59

. That 2012

31:02

ruling made Evan Miller entitled

31:04

to a new sentencing hearing and

31:06

to drag Cole Cannon's family through hell

31:09

one more time In 2021

31:12

, evan Miller was re -sentenced

31:14

. According to the new ruling , his

31:16

sentence of life in prison without

31:18

parole stands . Cole

31:21

Cannon's daughter said it

31:23

is re-victimization every time my

31:25

family has to relive or deal

31:27

with the court matters relating to the murder

31:29

of my father , cole Cannon . Not

31:32

only have we had to deal with the horrific

31:34

murder at the hands of Miller , but

31:37

Equal Justice Initiative , the

31:39

organization that fought the juvenile

31:41

life for sentencing , has contributed

31:44

to this as well . Contrell

31:46

Jackson from the companion case . Jackson

31:49

v Hobbs was barely

31:51

14 on the evening of November

31:53

8 , 1999 , when he

31:55

, his cousin Travis Booker , 14

31:58

, and his friend 15-year-old

32:00

Derek Xavier Shields , were

32:03

walking in Blythville , arkansas , when

32:06

the boys brought up robbing the Movie Magic

32:08

video store . Shields had

32:10

a sawed-off shotgun stuffed

32:12

up the sleeve of his coat . When

32:16

they got to the store , shields and

32:18

Booker went inside . Jackson

32:21

chose to stay outside . Shields

32:24

approached the clerk . Lori Troop pulled

32:27

out the shotgun and demanded that she

32:29

give up the money . Troop

32:32

told him she didn't have any money , but

32:34

he continued to demand it , and

32:37

each time she refused Jackson

32:39

went inside to see what was going on , a

32:42

decision that he would pay dearly for

32:44

At trial . There was a

32:46

dispute as to whether Jackson warned

32:48

Lori Troop when he entered the store

32:50

that we ain't playing , or if

32:53

he said to the older boys I thought

32:55

you all was playing . Laurie Troop

32:57

threatened to call the police and

33:00

Derek Shields shot her

33:02

in the face , killing her With

33:05

no money . The three boys ran to

33:07

Jackson's house . Later on

33:09

Jackson joked with classmates

33:11

that he was involved in the movie magic

33:14

murder . There were no witnesses

33:16

to the attempted robbery and shooting

33:18

, and it was Laurie Troop's

33:20

nine-year-old son and her mother , who

33:22

found her laying behind the counter , controlled

33:27

Jackson was charged as an adult

33:29

and convicted of capital murder . Was

33:35

charged as an adult and convicted of capital murder with that automatic

33:38

mandatory life without parole sentence . After the ruling , jackson was granted

33:40

resentencing , in which his age and

33:42

involvement was taken into account . He

33:45

was resentenced to 20 years imprisonment

33:47

and released on parole in 2017

33:49

, where he is now an author , an

33:52

activist , an advocate

33:54

, a public speaker and

33:56

a new father to twin boys . The

34:01

name synonymous with the mass SJC

34:04

ruling is Gregory Diachenko

34:06

, who , at 17 , was

34:09

convicted of first-degree murder . Diachenko's

34:15

claim was a man picked him up in Copley Square in Boston and wanted to

34:18

pay him for some sex stuff . But

34:20

that man , thomas Worf , a 55-year-old

34:23

divorced dad of four boys , was

34:26

a truck driver who lived in Brockton and

34:28

not afforded the luxury of defending

34:30

himself . Is it possible ? Sure

34:33

? On that evening , may 9th 1981

34:36

, diachenko got into

34:38

that car , where they made the short drive

34:40

from Copley , near the Boston Public Library

34:43

, down Boylston to Kenmore

34:45

Square . Kenmore Square

34:47

is where the big Sitco sign is and

34:49

Fenway Park is a block away . Thomas

34:52

Wharf pulled into an alley off Beacon

34:54

Street , turned off the ignition

34:57

of his red Cadillac , eldorado . Diachenko

35:00

yelled for him to give him his money and

35:02

stabbed him nine times with

35:04

a buck knife . Diachenko

35:06

got out and ran . He would

35:08

later claim he had been hanging around drinking

35:10

, smoking , spray painting a wall

35:12

with a can of spray paint he had stolen and

35:15

decided he was going to rob someone

35:17

. He did

35:19

and got caught within

35:22

a week based on some testimony

35:24

of the person who lived above the alley , heard

35:26

the attack going down and called the police

35:28

. Down

35:33

and called the police . Another witness who had encountered Diachenko at the Brookline

35:36

Village subway stop on the night of the murder called police to report . He had

35:38

spoken to a teenage kid named Greg who

35:40

had bloody hands and who

35:42

had said he'd gone into a fight and

35:44

stabbed someone . There was a fair amount

35:47

of evidence in that Cadillac too . A

35:50

jury convicted Diachenko of murder

35:52

in the first degree on theories

35:54

of deliberate premeditation , extreme

35:57

atrocity or cruelty

35:59

and felony murder

36:01

, armed robbery . He

36:04

was sentenced to a mandatory term of

36:06

life imprisonment without the possibility

36:08

of parole . After the 2013

36:10

ruling , diachenko had

36:12

a chance at release , which

36:15

he got in 2015 . He

36:17

sat before the parole board and told them

36:19

all the things he would do upon release

36:21

he would stay sober , he would go to AA

36:23

. He would continue his path into

36:25

Buddhism , work as a plumber , as

36:28

he had been while in prison . Keep

36:30

on the straight and narrow . But

36:33

in 2018 , his parole

36:35

was revoked . His parole officer

36:37

paid a visit and caught a whiff of

36:39

Diachenko who had been doing some heavy drinking

36:42

. The night before he blew twice

36:44

the legal limit on a breathalyzer

36:46

. He admitted he had been drinking

36:48

, but it also swished some mouthwash

36:51

around and was wondering what part

36:53

that played . Dude , I'm going to say

36:55

that you were shitballs drunk Twice

36:58

the legal limit . He

37:00

wasn't working as a plumber and

37:03

he had been seen at a protest about

37:05

the quality of drinking water outside

37:07

the prison . He had served more than

37:09

30 years inside . He was

37:11

not supposed to be there . In 2020

37:14

, he went before the parole board again

37:16

to explain what happened that brought him

37:18

back to prison Spoiler

37:20

not doing anything he said he'd do

37:23

if released , parole denied

37:25

. I poured through the parole board site

37:27

looking for an update . As far

37:29

as I can tell , gregory Diachenko

37:32

is back in prison to stay . Not

37:35

a ringing endorsement for the man who succeeded

37:37

in upending the system as

37:40

a juvenile lifer Not

37:44

yet rehabilitated . That

37:46

is exactly what juvenile

37:48

lifer Rod Matthews got on his prison

37:50

dance card Four times

37:53

In 2001 , 2007

37:56

, 2016 , and

37:58

again in 2022 . Rod

38:00

Matthews was the first juvenile in

38:02

the Commonwealth to be tried as an adult

38:04

, though he was convicted of second-degree

38:07

murder , which does come with the possibility

38:09

of parole . I do not know under what

38:11

circumstances the jury felt what

38:13

he did was worthy of second degree

38:16

and not first . He murdered

38:18

a 14-year-old boy who had only

38:20

moved to town a few months earlier , sean

38:22

Ouellette , a sweet , unassuming

38:25

, non-discerning new arrival to the town

38:27

of Canton . I mean at 14,

38:29

. Were any of us discerning ? I

38:32

wasn't . I

38:35

did a two-part episode on what happened to Sean , episode 15

38:37

and 16 . And

38:39

I said this 14-year-old

38:42

high school freshman , sean Ouellette , was a

38:44

jovial kid . He loved things

38:46

like his mom's fresh baked cookies , thanksgiving

38:48

dinner , shooting off fireworks , sports

38:51

and fishing . He was a good-natured

38:54

and adventurous kid . Back

38:56

then we might call him pudgy , but he

38:58

was also tall , 5'11"

39:01

. His mom says in the ID documentary

39:03

episode Dead of Winter , the Empty

39:05

Chair , his family , single

39:07

mom Jean and sister Yvonne , had

39:09

relocated to an apartment on Brayton Circle

39:12

in Canton . That summer They'd moved

39:14

from Hull . It was a beach town on

39:16

a peninsula off the southern edge

39:19

of Boston Harbor , also small

39:21

, with half the population of Canton

39:23

of about 10,000 people . It's

39:26

the home of Nantasket Beach and Paragon

39:29

Park with its Bermuda Triangle

39:31

water ride . That's

39:35

funny . Paragon Park operated during the same time . Most of us

39:38

kids at this age were worried

39:40

about a couple of things Disappearing

39:42

in the Bermuda Triangle , sinking

39:45

in quicksand and probably

39:47

Jaws coming up through the toilet bowl and

39:50

biting us All unwarranted fears

39:52

. We now know . But Paragon Park

39:54

was pretty badass with an array

39:56

of rides like the Tilt-A-Whirl , the Carousel , the

39:59

Scrambler , the Crazy Teacups that

40:01

is funny and also now my new band name . Paragon

40:04

Park had a wooden roller coaster . They

40:06

called it the Giant Coaster . I

40:09

know not a very cool name but

40:11

it was at the time the highest

40:13

roller coaster in the world . That

40:16

was until Revere Beach rolled in

40:18

the Cyclone at 100

40:20

feet and a much cooler name

40:22

. Paragon Park's Wooden

40:24

Giants is still in business , known

40:27

now as the Wild One at

40:29

Six Flags America in Maryland

40:31

. Sean was having

40:34

a little trouble as the new kid at school . Sometimes

40:36

it's hard to break in . He missed

40:38

his friends in Hull and if I lived

40:41

in a town with Paragon Park I'd miss it

40:43

too . He was hoping to make some pals with

40:45

the locals . We know friends

40:47

can be cruel and mean , especially

40:49

to the new kid , and for

40:51

any of us who was the new kid in

40:54

a new town and a new school , it's

40:56

particularly stressful . The

40:58

bullies come out in force and

41:00

when we were little kids in school in the 80s , there

41:03

was no protection from bullying , unless

41:06

another kid spoke up . It

41:08

was fair game and thank the Lord

41:10

we didn't have Facebook or Snapchat or Instagram

41:13

or TikTok . Anyone

41:15

over the age of 35 will

41:17

tell you that and I clearly am that

41:24

Yvonne

41:27

, who was 13 at the time , had cerebral

41:30

palsy and used a wheelchair . Sean

41:32

would often be seen behind her , willing

41:34

her to school at the Massachusetts Hospital

41:37

for Handicapped Children in Canton , now

41:39

known as Pappas Rehabilitation

41:41

Hospital for Children . It

41:48

was a major reason maybe not the only reason for the family's move from Hull

41:50

to Canton , but it was for Yvonne to get greater support at the children's

41:52

hospital . It's a decision his

41:54

mom made for the care of her daughter and

41:57

surely something she thought a lot about after

41:59

Sean was killed . Sean's

42:01

mom , jean , is a warrior and I am in no

42:03

way passing judgment on her . She's

42:07

not at fault at

42:10

all . Thursday

42:12

November 20th 1986

42:14

. A regular day , a

42:16

late November , snowstorm moved into New England

42:18

dropping several inches of snow , canceling

42:21

school . The day before that

42:23

Thursday , sean had gotten up and

42:25

gone to school like most other days

42:28

. His mom , jean , was an

42:30

EMT with a local ambulance company

42:32

and reacted like all mothers do , trying to

42:34

get their teenager out of the house in the morning

42:36

. Do what you need to do , get

42:38

to the bus on time . She saw

42:40

him at the door . They looked at each other , no

42:42

words were exchanged . Little

42:46

did she know at the time it would be the

42:48

last time Rod Matthews

42:50

admitted to killing Sean . There

42:53

was no question . But his defense

42:55

was that he was mentally

42:57

ill . He is something and

43:02

the parole board has not found him rehabilitated . Rod Matthews is now 52

43:05

years old and on his

43:07

fifth parole hearing

43:09

on June 4th 2024

43:12

at 10 am

43:14

. Please think of Sean's family

43:17

. You absolutely can

43:19

write to the parole board , massachusetts

43:22

Parole Board , 12 Mercer

43:24

Road , natick , massachusetts

43:27

, 01760

43:29

. I

43:32

did two back-to-back episodes

43:34

about Sean Ouellette's case episodes

43:37

15 and 16 , and

43:40

I have made contact with a family member

43:42

of Sean Ouellette and , if

43:45

they're comfortable , we'll talk about

43:47

it . How

43:50

much is enough ? Have

43:52

these families proven themselves

43:54

enough ? Have they cried enough ? Have

44:03

they missed their daughter , their brother , their sister or their friend

44:05

enough . I was present for the parole hearing of Beth Brody's killer , because

44:08

their sentence is life . There is

44:10

no court in existence that would be able

44:12

to re-hear their case , re-sentence

44:15

them , provide any

44:17

mercy . They don't get set

44:19

free from the grief , that dull

44:22

pain that does not go away . Perhaps

44:26

it's a bit less sharp of an ache

44:28

, as it was for the first

44:30

30 years after Beth was killed Probably

44:33

not . The family did

44:35

not know how to navigate , being the family

44:38

of a murdered girl . There's no playbook

44:40

in existence for such things . No

44:43

rules are written about how a family gets

44:45

to grieve for such

44:47

a loss . Rules are written about

44:50

how their killers were going

44:52

to prison for their

44:54

entire lives . But

44:56

now those rules have changed . Beth

44:59

Brody I have talked about

45:02

her many times . It's

45:04

crime of a hometown kind . She

45:07

lived on my school bus route from

45:10

the monument across from the Congregational

45:12

Church where the old country

45:14

store was . Anybody

45:16

from Groveland back in the day will remember what I'm

45:18

talking about From

45:20

King Street down Main Street all

45:23

the way to Pentucket on the West Newbury line

45:25

back down through town to

45:27

School Street where I

45:29

went to Bagnell School . I moved

45:31

away from Groveland and I didn't get to

45:33

go to Pentucket . I wish I had

45:35

. But

45:37

I never forgot about Beth's story

45:39

from the moment that I heard about it

45:42

. When I talk about her case people

45:45

tell me all kinds of things , like

45:47

Beth's mom was their bus

45:49

driver . Groveland is a town where

45:52

everyone tends to know everyone , where everyone tends

45:54

to know everyone . I've talked about it being pretty small

45:56

. In

46:02

November 1992 , beth was barely 15 years old and two

46:04

months into her sophomore year at Pawntucket she was getting

46:06

used to her new braces cheering at

46:08

Sagem games with her big sister , going

46:11

to the mall which , when you live in Groveland , is

46:13

a trip to Rockingham . In

46:16

Salem , new Hampshire , I

46:18

guess maybe there's Liberty Tree in Danvers

46:20

or Danvis , as I thought the town was called

46:22

. Well into my teens , methuen

46:24

Mall was still a mall then . I

46:27

think it's more of a swanky plaza

46:29

. Now it's got a Yankee candle store . Beth

46:32

knew her killer . He was a

46:34

boy from school . He was

46:36

a year older and

46:38

I don't know much about his life , but

46:41

he had lived in Groveland for how long

46:43

, I'm not sure and reportedly

46:45

a good student . They had mutual friends

46:47

, they were friendly and

46:50

they had spent some time together time

47:00

together , but they were not boyfriends and girlfriends , and when you're

47:02

15, . Romantic love isn't a thing . His feelings were something else entirely

47:05

. I will share the words of

47:07

Beth's older sister , dawn . The

47:09

two were very close and Beth's

47:11

loss was particularly difficult

47:13

for her . She was the keynote

47:16

speaker at a joint domestic violence roundtable

47:18

hosted by former Essex County

47:21

District Attorney Jonathan Blodgett and

47:23

held at the Peabody City Hall . Here

47:25

is a portion of her speech

47:28

. You can read it in full at justiceforbethbrodycom

47:32

. Beth's killer was a

47:34

classmate of mine . He no

47:36

longer attended the same school that

47:39

Beth and I did . He had moved a few

47:41

months before . They had gone

47:43

on a few dates over the summer . He

47:45

wanted to be Beth's boyfriend and

47:47

she was not interested . Beth

47:49

was a very trusting person , but

47:52

she was also a good judge of character

47:54

. Instead of accepting the fact

47:56

that she wanted to remain just friends

47:59

, he premeditated

48:01

her murder . He brought an aluminum

48:03

baseball bat to our neighbor's home , convinced

48:06

the neighbor to bring Beth to him , threatened

48:09

to kill her and asked are

48:12

you scared yet ? And just

48:14

before striking her he said I

48:17

always wanted to be a baseball player . He

48:20

hit her with such force that

48:23

he killed her in two strikes . There

48:26

was no intention of just leaving her

48:28

hurt and then he

48:30

ran away . He was depressed

48:32

that he had moved from Groveland , where all of his friends were

48:35

, to Peabody , a much larger town

48:37

20 miles away . It

48:39

is possible that the day before Beth's murder

48:41

, when the three of them Beth Baldwin

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and that neighbor Skye had

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gone to Rockingham Mall and that he was

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thinking about what he could do to get

48:50

Beth or get

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back at Beth , get

48:58

back at Beth . That small detail I only learned at the parole hearing . I

49:00

was not aware that they had spent time together the day before Beth

49:02

got killed . The next day he put an aluminum

49:05

baseball bat in the trunk of his car with

49:07

the plan of convincing that

49:09

friend , who lived 100 yards away

49:11

from Beth , to get her to

49:13

leave the safety of her home . Having

49:16

no control over the situation with Beth

49:18

and his deluded view of a non-existent

49:20

romantic relationship angered him

49:23

, and his

49:25

plan was always to inject fear and

49:28

control over her in those minutes before

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he ultimately killed her . In

49:33

the Boston Globe's reporting of the first

49:35

day of the murder trial , the defense

49:37

attorney , hugh Sampson , said

49:39

two things that stuck with me . Baldwin

49:43

looked at Beth as a savior for

49:45

his hopeless life , he put her

49:48

on a pedestal

49:50

, his view

49:52

of intimate relationships is distorted

49:54

and that he incorporated his

49:56

father's notion that all

49:58

women are either all good or

50:01

all bad , may

50:04

I add , and should be controlled

50:06

and do what I say when

50:09

I say it Even at 16

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, we

50:13

make broken boys . He

50:18

was charged as an adult for the planning

50:20

and the brutality of his crimes

50:22

. On April 4 , 1994

50:25

, an Essex County Superior

50:28

Court jury found Richard C

50:30

Baldwin guilty of first-degree

50:33

murder in the beating death of

50:36

his 15-year-old former schoolmate

50:38

, beth Ann Brody . He

50:41

had planned this , an

50:44

attempt that he managed to succeed at

50:46

, and what I mean by that ? Not to celebrate

50:48

his actions , oh no , quite the opposite

50:50

. This kid , now a man , took

50:53

over her ability to make any

50:55

decision for her own future , for

50:57

her own person . He removed her agency

51:00

. The audacity of someone

51:02

in this case a boy , doing this to a girl

51:04

. It is infuriating . On

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Thursday , may 16 , 2024

51:10

, beth's killer got an unlimited

51:12

amount of time to blather in the presence of a six-person

51:15

parole board his attorney , beth's

51:17

parents , her two sisters , her brother's family

51:19

, many relatives and supporters and advocates

51:21

, including members of Amy Carnevale's

51:23

family , colleen

51:26

Ritzer's family and Janet Downing's

51:28

family . They

51:36

are part of a club no one signs up for . Please keep them in your thoughts , witnessing

51:38

this man , disheveled , unprepared

51:41

, as he talked about murdering

51:43

a girl and blaming Xanax and alcohol

51:46

at every turn . This boy , now

51:48

a man , has had 10 years to prepare

51:50

for his parole hearing and he did not do

51:52

a thing . He initiated a

51:55

parole hearing in 2019 , but

51:59

in the very final moments canceled . This

52:02

is all a game for him . Thank

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you to Sabrina of the Justice for Beth Brody team for the notes taken at the hearing . His

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testimony is rife with deluded

52:12

thinking . We have the court records

52:14

to disprove all of it that

52:17

he and Beth dated . They

52:24

were not a couple . Beth did not want to pursue anything past the couple of times that they had

52:26

hung out together . She was okay with a friendship . He said he

52:28

acted alone and there was no one else involved

52:31

in the planning . We know this . His

52:33

claims that taking Xanax and drinking alcohol

52:36

prior to the incident he

52:39

never used the word murder one time

52:41

, just the events

52:44

, the incident , what

52:46

happened ? He

52:48

did take Xanax and ibuprofen

52:51

and drank alcohol after

52:53

he ran away from what he'd done to

52:56

Beth and drove to Pentucket their

52:58

school that was right down

53:00

the street to let the drugs take

53:02

effect and die . But he

53:04

changed his mind and went inside the school for help

53:06

from a teacher and the principal , telling them he

53:09

had done something bad . When

53:11

asked , he said that he had killed Beth

53:13

Brody . When questioned

53:15

by members of the parole board , he often paused

53:18

to think of what to say . One

53:21

board member pointed out the concern over violent

53:23

behavior and vengeance leading up to Beth's

53:25

murder , drawing attention

53:28

to the history of violent tendencies and

53:30

impulse control issues prior to

53:32

the day he carried out the plan to

53:34

lure Beth . The inmate

53:36

spoke of his character and how he's

53:38

not like that , but

53:40

the record speaks for itself . A

53:43

member of the parole board spoke of several incidences

53:46

where he wasn't on Xanax and

53:48

alcohol , as he blamed

53:50

for his murderous behavior in 1992

53:52

. Let's see the short list A 1999

53:55

attempted murder of another in 1992 . Let's see the short list A 1999

53:58

attempted murder of another inmate . He tried to strangle with

54:00

a towel and thought he'd killed them

54:02

. When he saw that person was still

54:04

breathing , he strangled them again , slamming

54:07

their head into the ground . He

54:09

received five additional years to

54:11

his sentence as a result . There

54:13

was a violent altercation in 2008

54:15

with a corrections officer stomping

54:18

on the officer when he was on

54:20

the ground . At least two fights

54:22

with staff in 2020 . In

54:25

2021 , an incident of threatening

54:27

staff members at the prison In

54:29

2022 , an incident

54:31

of violence where he claimed he was attacked

54:33

and didn't fight back and that he pled

54:35

guilty because if he didn't , they'd

54:37

get him for something else worse . A

54:40

board member flips through a stack of disciplinary

54:43

reports focusing on an incident where

54:45

a nurse is dispensing medication and

54:48

, as they walk by his cell , he

54:50

asks her her name . She

54:53

doesn't answer , to which he responds

54:55

you're a fucking cunt . Go fuck yourself

54:57

. You must be going through a midlife crisis

55:00

. That is a strong indication

55:02

of how he views women . When

55:04

asked how he controls his angry impulses

55:07

, the inmate told the board

55:09

you have a bad understanding of me and

55:12

that he did these things because he had no

55:14

hope in getting out and others

55:16

forcing him into bad situations

55:18

. But if we go back

55:20

and look at that timeline , most of

55:23

those offenses were after

55:25

the ruling To , where juvenile lifers

55:27

had a shot at parole . Who's

55:29

kidding who here ? In all , 174

55:33

disciplinary reports , 52

55:35

attempts at suicide , consuming

55:37

illegal drugs and abusing prescriptions

55:40

like Welbutrin that he crushed

55:42

and snorted that was a new one for me . I

55:44

guess it's a thing I don't know . When questioned

55:46

about how he has prepared for parole

55:48

, he has attended five programs

55:51

in 32 years in prison

55:53

, four since his

55:55

eligibility for parole became

55:57

a possibility . When asked

55:59

what he took from those programs

56:01

, he had no answer other

56:04

than he showed up

56:06

. He's taken no substance abuse

56:09

programs , no domestic

56:11

violence programs . He

56:13

claims to have mental illness , borderline

56:15

personality disorder , with

56:18

no evaluations in his record

56:20

for decades . When

56:23

asked why he is seeking parole now

56:25

, he spoke of a heart condition

56:27

that reportedly killed his father

56:29

and his grandfather at 52

56:32

. He says he'll die soon

56:34

but wants the time he has left to

56:37

be with his family and

56:39

he has no official diagnosis . By

56:41

the way , if he could take back one

56:43

action , it would be not to have left

56:46

his house on that day of Beth's murder . It

56:48

wasn't taking back killing Beth

56:51

or causing her family

56:53

and his so

56:55

much pain . He

57:04

went so far as blaming Beth for going back after he told her he wasn't done and ordered her

57:06

back inside the house . Yes , we

57:08

all wish she had run from you , but

57:10

you and you alone

57:13

are responsible and

57:15

, like the attorney representing him said , I

57:18

don't expect you to grant parole . He

57:20

is what ? 48 now If

57:23

there is something to that heart condition , tiktok

57:27

, motherfucker , read

57:29

the full report at justiceforbethbrodycom

57:33

. Thank

57:38

you for listening . Sean

57:40

Ouellette's killer goes before the parole board

57:42

for the fifth time on

57:44

June 4th 2024 . Janet

57:47

Downing's killer goes before the parole

57:49

board for the first time on June 25th

57:52

2024 . Beth

57:55

Brody's family awaits

57:58

the decision of the parole board

58:00

. It could come in weeks or

58:02

many months . The family

58:04

of Amy Carnevale await

58:07

the decision of the parole

58:09

board . It

58:11

could come in weeks or

58:14

many , many months . In weeks or many

58:16

, many months . At

58:20

any time . You can write the Massachusetts Parole Board about any

58:22

one of these inmates and

58:25

ask the parole board not

58:27

to release them from

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prison . Send

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your letters Massachusetts Parole Board

58:33

, 12 Mercer Road , natick

58:36

, massachusetts , 01760

58:39

. Thank you

58:42

for listening . My name is Angel Wood

58:44

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58:55

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58:58

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your goddamn doors , we'll

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