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Hey everyone, welcome back to

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more crime salad.

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Are you ready? I'm ready. All

0:58

right, well welcome to our show. If you're

1:00

new, this is crime salad. And I'm

1:03

Ashley. And I'm Ricky. Now

1:05

this week we are covering the

1:07

story of Joseph Communale. We

1:09

hope that with this episode, we

1:11

keep his name into the story

1:13

alive and hope to prevent future

1:15

tragedies. For sure. So

1:18

who is Joseph Communale? His

1:21

friends called him Joey. And he

1:23

was only 26 years old from

1:25

Stanford, Connecticut, full of life

1:27

and promise. He was described

1:29

as an amazing hockey player and

1:31

he had an extremely loving family

1:33

and made many friends. Stanford,

1:36

Connecticut is only about 35 miles northeast

1:39

of New York City. So it's a

1:41

quick drive, usually taking about 45 minutes

1:44

to an hour, depending upon traffic. You

1:46

can take the boat. Yeah, you could.

1:49

And it's super convenient for a night

1:51

out in the city, especially with regular

1:53

train services from Stanford to Grand Central

1:55

Terminal. So those who are working in

1:58

the city or. Looking

2:00

to enjoy a Saturday night out?

2:02

New York City is a popular

2:04

destination. Hand the go to spot.

2:07

For. Said. Know people

2:10

who knew just as they pointed

2:12

out how close he was to

2:14

his family and to his group

2:16

of friends. and he was all

2:18

around great to be around like

2:21

he was just a great person.

2:23

He attended costs for university where

2:25

he not only hit the books

2:27

hard, but he also made a

2:29

ton of friends. Joe He was

2:32

known for being the lights of

2:34

the party, always up for good

2:36

time and bringing people together. He

2:38

played basketball, He and he played

2:40

hockey in college and was a

2:43

huge sports fan. always ready for

2:45

a game or to cheer on

2:47

his favorite teams. And

2:49

let's not forget his love of

2:51

music, concerts, festivals. You name it

2:53

Joe, he was they're living in

2:55

Up, living a life in his

2:57

late twenties and purely enjoying it.

3:00

Is a man of good terms? No

3:03

sense would tell you that Joe. He

3:05

was the kind the guy who would

3:07

drop everything to help you. He had

3:09

us amazing ability to make sure everyone's

3:11

that special and valued. Weekends.

3:13

With chilies were never.whether it was

3:16

a casual a hangout were a

3:18

night out in New York City

3:20

on Saturday, Nov thirteenth. Twenty sixteen.

3:22

Joseph. Headed to New York City. Excited!

3:25

For a son, eight with friends, they

3:27

hit up a lounge in Manhattan. Looking

3:30

forward to every thing at the cities

3:32

and nightlife front of her. But.

3:34

Then. Things. Took a dark

3:37

and unexpected per. The. Next

3:39

Monday. Joey was reported missing.

3:42

So. As we try to understand

3:44

how a night that started

3:46

with laughter and science and

3:49

it in such tragedy. We.

3:51

ask that you remember the family and

3:53

their friends who were left with a

3:55

heavy heart for a life lost too

3:58

soon and as a live with Joseph

4:00

Communale's loss every day. So

4:03

on Saturday night, November 12, 2016, Joseph Communale,

4:06

a 26-year-old man from Stanford,

4:10

Connecticut, he traveled with his group of

4:12

friends to New York City for a

4:14

night out. It was

4:17

a night filled with nightlife,

4:19

drinking, dancing, socializing at high-end

4:21

city bars, doing

4:23

whatever it was that a 26-year-old was

4:25

doing in 2016. At

4:28

some point in the night, Joseph and his friends

4:30

were approached by two men who start

4:33

to hang out with their group of friends. These

4:36

two were Lawrence Dillion and

4:38

Max Gemma. And Joseph

4:40

ends up leaving the bar with these two

4:42

guys. No one really

4:44

knows for sure what these two said

4:46

to persuade him into leaving with them

4:49

exactly. It's pieced together that

4:51

the two men convinced him to join them

4:53

at a New York City penthouse for

4:56

an after party. Once the bar closed, along

4:58

with three other women who were at the

5:00

bar. I mean, so

5:02

basically a good time. Yeah. He

5:05

left a bunch of his friends though to leave

5:07

with a couple strangers, which I think is kind

5:09

of weird, but okay. Well

5:12

Joseph in his late 20s, what else was there to do? It's

5:15

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The place that they were going to

7:13

was the Grand Sutton Place apartments where

7:15

James Rach over-lived. People

7:18

call him Jimmy and he legally

7:20

changed his last name to Rachover

7:22

about three years ago from around

7:24

this time. Now Jimmy,

7:26

he grew up being raised by his

7:28

single mother and lived in Fort Lauderdale,

7:30

Florida in his 20s. He

7:33

soon met a wealthy Jeffrey

7:35

Rachover who gave him his

7:37

last name. He

7:39

left with Jeffrey to New York City with

7:42

hopes of putting his old past behind him.

7:45

He was living with 56 year old

7:47

wealthy Manhattan man Jeffrey as

7:50

a surrogate son. He was

7:52

living this lavish lifestyle. The

7:55

wealthy Manhattan man named Jeffrey Rachover basically

7:57

took in this young 20 year old.

8:00

with the explanation that he became a

8:02

father to him, something that Jimmy

8:05

never had growing up. He

8:07

supported him by giving Jimmy a place to

8:09

stay at a high-end apartment and

8:11

gave him a lavish lifestyle that

8:14

came with designer clothing, meals cupboard,

8:16

a car, you name it. So

8:19

basically maybe not a dad but

8:21

a daddy. Yeah, a

8:23

sugary daddy. Well, Jeffrey would

8:25

even refer to Jimmy as his

8:28

long-lost son to some people, so

8:30

a lot of people thought that he was

8:32

his biological son. Okay, so

8:34

this dude's super wealthy, like who

8:37

is he? So Jeffrey, he's this

8:40

guy who has

8:42

clients like Oprah, JLo,

8:44

Melina Trump. Now,

8:46

there were later reports and a few rumors

8:48

that said that they were more than just

8:51

a father-son relationship but, you know.

8:53

Probably more romantic. Yeah,

8:56

more on the romantic side but

8:58

nothing's really confirmed. So

9:00

we don't actually know speculation

9:02

but... Speculation. Definitely more

9:04

daddy than dad. Now, before

9:07

Jimmy left his life in Florida, he

9:09

actually had a bit of a criminal history.

9:11

A few past offenses included

9:14

burglary, drug use, and violating

9:16

terms of his probation. Although

9:19

those are nothing compared to murder,

9:22

he even cut off his ankle monitor

9:24

and fled from authorities. So

9:26

that's a quick rundown of Jimmy,

9:29

the 25-year-old guy who had this

9:31

cool apartment in Manhattan and

9:33

was throwing this after party where two other

9:35

guys invited Joseph and a few women over.

9:38

Okay. So just a

9:40

kind of review. All who were at

9:42

this apartment supposedly was Joseph, Jimmy,

9:46

the apartment owner, two

9:48

of his friends, Lawrence and Max,

9:50

and three women who came along.

9:54

Joseph was seen entering the Grand

9:56

Sutton apartment building in Manhattan located

9:58

at 48... East

10:01

59th Street and it seemed

10:03

that he willingly went inside to

10:05

go into the apartment number 4C

10:07

where the after-party happened. This

10:10

one-bedroom one-bathroom apartment at

10:12

Sutton Place located in Manhattan

10:14

seems to be occupied currently

10:16

at this time however

10:19

it was quickly renovated and went back

10:21

up for rent shortly after what happened

10:23

in this apartment which we will get

10:26

into in more detail soon. Now

10:28

the next day Sunday November 13th 2016 at 6.50 a.m.

10:34

so it's the morning he was

10:37

seen escorting the three women out of

10:39

the apartment along with Lawrence and then

10:41

him and Lawrence walked back into the

10:43

apartment sadly this was

10:45

the last time Joseph was seen alive.

10:49

So wait what time did they actually get

10:51

to the apartment for the after-party? So they

10:54

got there around 4 a.m.

10:57

Oh so they probably didn't sleep.

10:59

Yeah probably not. Something probably happened

11:01

and then this

11:03

is the reaction. Yeah probably not.

11:06

Now this contradicted what Lawrence

11:08

aka Larry the liar told

11:11

police. Oh I like that. Yeah

11:13

I made it up. Larry told

11:15

the police that Joey went off with

11:17

the women and that was it. He

11:20

was gone. But the

11:22

actual surveillance footage saw

11:24

him not leave with the women

11:26

and one of the women soon

11:29

told the police that Joseph didn't leave with

11:31

them. Hmm red flag. Now

11:33

by the next day Joseph wasn't answering

11:36

his phone and he never came home.

11:39

It's a pretty shitty feeling as a dad. Yeah

11:41

his worried father couldn't get a hold

11:43

of him and he went to the

11:46

police immediately desperate to get any extra

11:48

help to bring his son home. He

11:50

was out drinking with a few

11:52

friends on Saturday night and now

11:55

it's Monday and he's nowhere to be

11:57

found. Which no matter what age

11:59

you're killed. kids are 26,

12:01

36, whatever, they're always

12:03

your babies. I'm

12:06

the baby. Your mom loves you

12:08

so much. Any

12:10

parent's worst nightmare, right? Joseph's

12:12

friends actually helped with the start

12:14

of the investigation. They looked on Instagram

12:16

trying to find any pictures of that

12:19

night at the bars that they were

12:21

at with Joseph in them and

12:24

they were determined to find Joseph. So

12:26

one of Joseph's friends, they

12:29

found this picture with Joseph

12:31

and these women who

12:34

were there with them and

12:36

they were able to narrow it down to the

12:38

guys that he hung out with, who he left

12:40

with. The friend messaged

12:42

one of the guys asking about

12:44

Joseph, where he was, have you

12:46

heard anything? And he

12:49

started to feel uneasy about the

12:51

situation. So when

12:54

he was reported missing, the investigation

12:56

began where Joseph was last seen

12:58

and last known to be, which

13:00

was the apartment on the Upper

13:02

East Side. This is

13:04

when they reviewed the surveillance footage

13:06

and they talked to witnesses like

13:08

Lawrence and one

13:10

of the women and some people in

13:12

the building who provided crucial

13:15

information that helped piece together his

13:17

final movements. All right,

13:19

so the police were asking, did

13:22

you see anything weird, abnormal,

13:25

strange? Yeah, and

13:27

the NYPD received reports of

13:29

a disturbance at the Grand Sutton apartment

13:32

building. And sadly, based

13:34

on surveillance footage, they

13:36

never saw him completely leave the

13:38

apartment building on his own accord.

13:41

On top of that, there were witnesses

13:44

who reported seeing a man dragging a

13:46

heavy piece of luggage out of the

13:48

building. And when the

13:50

police further searched, there was actually

13:52

a luggage rack that was covered in

13:54

blood. Oh shit, that's

13:57

something. Yeah, and it appeared to

13:59

investigators that. Joseph seemed

14:01

to be involved in some kind

14:03

of fight at the party and was

14:05

stabbed. So I take it they were

14:07

pretty lazy cleaning the crime scene.

14:10

Yeah, they definitely left a trail of

14:12

blood behind. In fact,

14:14

it was reported by the NYPD

14:16

that there was a substantial amount

14:19

of blood evidence, which

14:21

included plastic bags that were covered in

14:23

blood that were thrown down a garbage

14:25

chute and were in the garbage room.

14:28

And there were articles of clothing,

14:31

sheets, and towels with blood evidence

14:33

inside the apartment room for C.

14:35

So yeah, they didn't really think things through,

14:37

which was in the

14:40

investigators' favor for sure. Where

14:42

did they think the garbage chute went? Like

14:45

it went into some dark abyss that no

14:47

one could ever see again? The

14:50

deep dark abyss. Yeah, exactly.

14:53

Now being that James Rakover was

14:55

living in that apartment, he became

14:57

the primary person of interest. Rakover's

15:00

behavior and inconsistent statements

15:02

during the police interviews

15:04

raised suspicions. Further

15:07

investigation and questioning of the

15:09

two people, including Rakover and

15:11

Lauren Stillion, revealed

15:13

critical details. Lawrence was

15:15

the one who eventually cooperated with

15:17

the police and provided information that

15:20

led them to a burial site.

15:22

So it sounds like from

15:24

the police perspective, there

15:27

were no other doubts. Right from the

15:29

beginning, they have all of this evidence. Like

15:31

these guys, they're involved.

15:34

They're involved. Now they

15:37

followed Lawrence's lead and law enforcement

15:39

officers arrived at a wooded area

15:41

behind a florist shop in

15:44

Oceanport, New Jersey. There

15:47

was even surveillance footage that was reviewed

15:49

at a vacant lot in Oceanport, New

15:51

Jersey, where two guys were

15:53

seen carrying out a suitcase. They

15:56

conducted a thorough search of the

15:58

area and their they discovered

16:00

a shallow grave. To

16:03

their horror, they found a chilling

16:05

sight, a hand sticking out of

16:07

the dirt. Oh, that's

16:09

like a Halloween movie. Yeah,

16:11

and then it was determined to

16:14

be Joseph Comunelli's body, showing multiple

16:16

stab wounds, estimated to be around

16:18

15 different stab

16:20

wounds. His body was

16:23

doused in gasoline and his legs

16:25

appeared to be burned. Jeez.

16:28

The extent of the injuries and

16:30

the condition of the remains indicated

16:32

a brutal and violent death. Okay,

16:36

so let me break this down. They

16:39

stabbed him, they burned him, and then

16:41

they buried him like a

16:43

piece of trash. Yeah. I

16:45

mean, it's good that he didn't get away with it, but I

16:48

don't understand. They invited him over

16:50

for an after party. They escorted

16:53

these women out. They

16:55

had to be on good terms

16:57

because Joseph willingly turns around, walks

16:59

back into the apartment. Like,

17:02

what went down? Like, something

17:04

had to have happened for it to

17:06

escalate. Well, when

17:08

Lawrence came forward and

17:11

decided to speak to the police, he told

17:13

the investigators that there was a fight that

17:15

broke out, basically once after

17:17

the after party was over, relating

17:19

to who supplied what, so

17:22

like the drinks and the drugs and whatnot.

17:25

Lawrence confessed that he had

17:27

punched Joey. Then Jimmy Rachover was

17:29

the one who stabbed him with

17:31

a knife in a rampage that

17:33

led to his death. Jeez.

17:37

Max, the other friend, apparently was

17:39

asleep during this whole time of

17:41

the attack, but the attack ended

17:43

up waking him up and

17:45

Lawrence told Max to leave. And

17:48

then the two guys who were there with

17:50

Joseph's body had murder on their hands, and

17:53

so they attempted to dispose of all

17:55

of the evidence and his body. So

17:58

did Max actually leave? Like

18:00

when he woke up? Allegedly, he

18:02

left, yeah. Oh, wow.

18:04

So he really doesn't have anything to

18:06

do with us. He was asleep and

18:09

then he left. Yeah, I guess.

18:12

Now, forensic teams worked meticulously to

18:14

gather evidence from the obvious homicide,

18:16

from DNA evidence that was covered

18:18

in the apartment and on different

18:20

items like the knife that was

18:23

used to stab Joseph, and as

18:25

far as the suitcase, bloods of

18:27

towels, Joey's credit cards

18:29

and identification, they were all found

18:31

and recovered from the garbage. The

18:34

abyss. Yeah, and there was

18:36

also cleaning supplies that was discovered that

18:38

was used to try to hide the

18:40

blood and the evidence. And

18:43

of course, cell phone evidence pictures,

18:45

cell phone location data, and whatnot,

18:48

was a big part in putting the

18:50

puzzle pieces together for this case. And

18:53

of course, we can't forget about the big

18:55

one, surveillance footage. You just can't go against

18:58

what was captured on surveillance footage.

19:01

I mean, unless it was like super

19:03

bad quality. Well, true. It's like our

19:05

iPhones are crystal clear, but for some

19:08

reason, these surveillance cameras are still so

19:10

terribly awful. Yeah, that

19:12

is true. Now, the autopsy

19:14

found 15 stab wounds, burn

19:16

marks, and many broken bones.

19:19

And being that there are so many

19:21

broken bones, it gave investigators the belief

19:23

that his body was possibly tossed out

19:26

of a window in a suitcase after

19:29

he was deceased. Tossed

19:32

out of a window in New York City.

19:36

What? Like, how do you think you're gonna

19:38

get away with that? It's a super populated

19:40

city. Yes, it's in the morning, but

19:42

what? And

19:45

maybe they were trying to gamble their

19:47

luck and avoid cameras, maybe, but this

19:49

was their way of getting the body

19:51

out of the building undetected. Maybe

19:53

they were thinking about the security footage around this time.

19:56

But also maybe not, because

19:58

this sounds all. super reactive,

20:01

right? Like not premeditated. This

20:03

is something that they did, it

20:06

happened, and now they're possibly

20:08

dealing with the risk. And

20:11

then they tried to get rid of his

20:13

body by burning it, but yeah,

20:15

that didn't work. This

20:17

case grabbed a lot of media attention

20:19

because of how brutal the crime was

20:21

and who the suspects

20:23

were. James Rachover in particular

20:26

was in the spotlight because

20:28

not only did it happen

20:30

at his apartment, but

20:32

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Now on November 16, 2016,

21:14

James Rachover and Lawrence DeLeon

21:16

were both arrested, and they

21:18

faced charges relating to communalist

21:21

deaths, including concealment of a

21:23

human corpse and hindering

21:25

prosecution. Oh, what about

21:27

the sleeper dude, Max Tremmer? Well,

21:30

yeah. So he ended up

21:33

being charged with hindering prosecution,

21:35

which basically refers to any

21:37

action or actions that can

21:39

interfere with the legal process

21:41

of a crime. So like

21:43

providing false information or

21:46

assisting in hiding information.

21:48

He was also charged with tampering

21:51

with evidence in connection with the

21:53

murder of Joey Communelli. And

21:55

it was believed that Max, he was inside

21:57

of the apartment while the murder was in

21:59

the apartment. had taken place

22:01

but he didn't participate. So

22:03

it's like he knew about it but

22:06

yeah. Okay, he was

22:08

sleeping, they told him to leave, he

22:10

left, but he also didn't do anything

22:12

about it. Exactly. So

22:14

what was his sentence? Well, he got

22:16

six months in prison and five

22:18

years of probation. Okay. And

22:23

as for the other two and

22:25

their charges, Lawrence De Leon, he

22:27

was sentenced to 23 years in

22:30

prison after pleading guilty to first-degree

22:32

manslaughter. An interesting point

22:34

that the prosecution brought up was that

22:36

his ring was dented which indicated that

22:38

he had to have punched

22:41

him possibly really hard

22:43

or more than once for the ring to

22:45

dent. Mm-hmm, maybe. I mean, I guess

22:48

it depends on the medal. If it were gold

22:50

and it were a soft medal, maybe.

22:53

Maybe, Ricky. But

22:57

very true, I mean, depending upon the medal

22:59

type. Now James Rachover, he

23:01

was found guilty of second-degree murder

23:03

and other charges receiving a sentence

23:05

of 28 years to life

23:07

in prison. Yeah. And

23:09

like we said, this case got

23:12

a lot of media attention and

23:14

also social media attention. His

23:16

disappearance and then the discovery that

23:19

he was murdered in New York

23:21

City spread quickly. And it's believed

23:23

that those who were involved, they felt

23:25

this pressure to come forward thanks to

23:27

the spread of this case through social

23:30

media. But it also caused

23:32

a lot of rumors to spread and

23:34

misinformation to spread and a lot of

23:36

different speculation which can

23:39

always impact an investigation. Honestly,

23:42

I hate hearing cases like

23:45

this because it's kind of like

23:47

movies. You know, you always paint this son

23:49

at the beginning of a movie as like

23:51

this really awesome person. He was

23:53

a great brother. He was a great son. And

23:56

it like leads up to the fact that

23:59

there's going be a loss, right? I think

24:01

they did it in Fried Green Tomatoes and

24:04

some other random movies that I can't think of off the

24:06

top of my head. But it

24:09

makes me think of

24:11

our own son. You know, we have

24:13

an awesome son, he's perfect. It

24:16

scares me so much. It's my worst fear

24:18

and nightmare to even think that anything would ever

24:20

happen to him. You know, and it's one

24:22

of those things though that like, everybody

24:26

looks at it this way, you know? Like,

24:30

you don't feel safe when things like this

24:32

happen. No. Especially

24:35

like these young 26 year

24:37

olds were at a bar hanging out

24:39

trying to have fun. Yeah. Like

24:41

it's, and then for

24:43

something so extreme to happen, it just is like,

24:46

it's frightening to hear this. Yeah. And also

24:49

mentioned, even between the two of us, we

24:51

spent all of our 20s together. We've been

24:53

together too freaking long. But

24:55

how many situations were we in? Like we

24:58

had behind a dumpster one time because there

25:00

was a shooting. Yeah. Like

25:02

those stories all could end so differently

25:05

and they didn't. And I think it's

25:08

common. Like everyone probably has

25:10

a story like that. Yeah, we

25:12

were just too close to

25:14

murder. Like, oh my God, we could have been

25:16

murdered. Right. You know? It's

25:19

like flying in an airplane. Everyone knows there's a

25:21

risk with flying in an airplane, but like what

25:23

about the people who actually crashed

25:25

and died? Like so

25:28

many times where like we hit turbulence and we're like, oh

25:30

shit, this is it. And

25:33

then it's okay. What about the times

25:35

when it's not okay? Right. Like

25:37

you never really know who you're hanging out

25:39

with. Joseph, he went to go hang out

25:41

with these people thinking, you

25:43

know, they're just like, they're just like him. I don't want the party

25:45

to end. They just don't want the

25:48

party to end. They're still drinking

25:50

and whatever, having a good time.

25:52

It's 4 a.m. turns to 6 50

25:54

a.m. And maybe it was

25:56

a combination of a lack of

25:59

sleep, the alcohol, the cocaine and

26:01

just this turmoil

26:03

of like you guys did all

26:05

my cocaine I don't have any left and I don't

26:07

know something like that but I've also

26:09

seen speculation where a lot of people

26:12

think maybe rack over

26:14

the son slash lover possibly

26:17

maybe he hit on Joey and Joey said

26:20

no maybe maybe the

26:22

retaliation came from there we don't

26:24

really know but something went

26:26

down something like really extreme to

26:28

like break out in a fight like that like

26:31

we all get in fights we all get into

26:33

arguments but at what level do you

26:36

stab someone 15 times

26:38

right I'm

26:40

a singer like when

26:42

things like this happen it makes me think of the movie

26:45

super bad when the one dude on that

26:47

movie was like I wake up in the morning and

26:49

I pray for a fight it's

26:51

like if you have your knife on you

26:53

and you're ready to stab someone that

26:56

quick you're almost like looking for a reason

26:58

like are you maybe but

27:00

what also makes me even hate this guy

27:03

even more like okay maybe you're

27:05

thinking this was some kind of like

27:07

bad experience like bad altercation you're

27:09

like okay let's just get rid of the body

27:12

and then like it never happened but what what

27:14

makes me hate this guy even more is

27:16

Jimmy he went to the gym and he

27:18

was bragging to some guy in the locker

27:21

room that he had slit someone's throat and

27:23

disposed of his body really so that

27:25

guy went to the police well

27:28

that eventually came up as like a witness thing

27:30

like once things started like coming up because when

27:32

someone says that you're just like oh really like

27:34

oh wow yeah sure you did but

27:37

then you're like oh my god he actually did

27:39

right and that part of

27:41

the evidence it was presented during James

27:44

rackovers trial now

27:46

the family of Joseph Camino they

27:48

continue to honor his memory and

27:51

seek justice for his tragic death because

27:54

even when you put away people

27:57

in prison for life it

27:59

just doesn't feel like you're

28:01

getting justice, you know? Like,

28:04

they're still living. Joseph isn't. Joseph's

28:07

father, Pat Communelli, he has

28:09

been actively involved in advocating

28:11

for his son's legacy and

28:14

ensuring the public remembers this

28:16

case. Pat Communelli

28:18

has also participated in various

28:21

media interviews and different events

28:23

to keep awareness alive about

28:25

the impacts of violent crime.

28:51

Pat and Lisa Communelli, along with

28:53

her daughter Alexa, have been focusing

28:55

on supporting each other and

28:58

staying connected with their community. The

29:00

family has found solace in the

29:02

support from their friends and different

29:04

strangers who have been moved by

29:06

Joey's story. Tragic

29:09

end to his life. It's horrible. It's

29:11

horrible. But

29:14

yeah, 26 years old and, you know, you'd think

29:16

that you'd get that call back from him on

29:18

Monday or like over the weekend like, hey, dad.

29:20

Yeah. No, nothing. Yeah. It's one

29:22

of the situations where you're like, I

29:25

wish he was able to tell the story and say, hey,

29:27

dad, I had a close encounter.

29:29

It was really scary, but

29:31

I made it out. But

29:34

not all of us get the opportunity

29:36

to make it out. Yeah. It makes

29:38

you like really aware too, but you

29:40

really just shouldn't go over someone's house

29:43

to know that you don't know. We're like,

29:45

some friends with you or. Yeah.

29:48

I mean, I know he went to the

29:50

bar with some of his friends and they

29:53

all went home and he

29:55

left with some strangers, which

29:57

normally that's probably okay. It's like you're

29:59

continuing. the fun times, but

30:02

you don't always know who you're with. No.

30:05

You never know their back

30:07

history or like what they're really

30:09

capable of, you know.

30:11

Yeah. Until it's too late, unfortunately.

30:13

Right. Well, this

30:15

sums up this week's episode. I hope you

30:18

guys were moved by Joey's story. And yeah,

30:22

until next time. Until next time.

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30:43

Yeah, so there's a lot of

30:45

stuff that happens in our life. It seems

30:48

like it happens weekly. And we're just holding

30:50

on by a thread. And what

30:52

better place to share it than our podcast?

30:55

We have guys who love to listen to us for

30:57

whatever reason. For whatever reason. But

31:00

honestly, no. I mean, it's stuff

31:02

that I've contemplated that

31:04

we share within the episode.

31:06

But I think it

31:08

would be better to do it, you know, on Patreon,

31:11

something like that. So just

31:13

a quick sneak peek at

31:15

what Patreon will share this

31:17

week. Which honestly,

31:20

I feel weird paywalling things.

31:22

So I want to leave this up to

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31:27

also, you know, some of our

31:29

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31:38

idea how. We woke up in the

31:40

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31:43

night. He's a black pug. Brindle, I

31:45

guess. Super goofy. Super goofy. I actually

31:47

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31:49

know, like if anyone has seen him,

31:51

please let us know. He's an idiot,

31:54

but he's our idiot. We need

31:56

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31:58

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