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anything to add to that? CrimeCon,

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4:51

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4:53

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5:00

away from it So for those of you

5:02

who haven't heard a North Carolina family of

5:04

five was tortured with hot metal during a

5:06

home evasion According to police now from what

5:08

we know at around 2 a.m Local

5:11

time on Saturday, June 15th a

5:13

family in Western Harnett County of

5:15

North Carolina Was sitting in their

5:17

garage with their door open when a group of five men

5:20

Approached the home and allegedly assaulted the

5:22

family before stealing some of their belongings

5:25

now Stephanie's gonna get into more details But there's

5:27

definitely information that we can take from this. But

5:29

before we get to that Stephanie, what do you

5:31

want to add to this? Yeah

5:33

So this is actually terrible because what

5:35

happened according to sheriff Wayne Coates is

5:37

the five men tied the family up

5:39

with duct tape But

5:42

then they began to torture them as well Which

5:44

I mean any normal person could say hey if

5:46

you're there to steal these people's belongings You don't

5:49

you don't have to torture them But what they did is

5:51

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5:53

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so we're back. And I was thinking about this as

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I was reading about this story.

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And again, I'm going to give a couple theories,

9:54

but there's also a lot of variables that we're

9:56

unaware of at this point. This is an open

9:58

investigation. There may be some sort of be more

10:01

information that if we were aware of it, it

10:03

may change our opinions. But on

10:05

the surface, let's talk about what transpired.

10:07

This family was outside. They were in

10:10

front of the garage. You

10:12

could have a situation where they

10:14

were just victims of opportunity. There's no

10:17

previous story connected to this and that

10:19

this group of individuals had

10:21

been casing the neighborhood, saw this

10:24

family outside with the garage door

10:26

open, saw easy access and decided

10:28

to capitalize on this

10:30

vulnerability. Absolutely

10:33

plausible where that was just wrong people, wrong

10:35

time, and it just happened to them because

10:37

they were outside. However,

10:40

in many instances, there's usually, not

10:42

all the time, more to the

10:44

story. And I've

10:46

investigated dozens, if not hundreds

10:48

of home invasions at different

10:51

levels. And usually

10:53

there's some premeditation, some planning that goes

10:55

into it. And there's a

10:57

motive behind the home invasion. Not

10:59

always, but in most cases there are. So

11:02

what could those motivations be? This

11:05

could be an inside job. It may be someone

11:07

who's connected to the family or a friend of

11:09

the family who's aware of valuables

11:11

that are inside the home. Could

11:13

it be guns? Could it be money? Could it

11:16

be jewelry? It could

11:18

be any of those things or it could be multiple things. I

11:21

also see situations like this and again, let me

11:23

qualify by saying I'm not suggesting it's the case

11:25

here. But you also see a

11:27

lot of home invasions where there's

11:29

narcotics involved, where the attacks

11:32

occur because a rival

11:34

gang or a rival competitor

11:36

knows that there's a large amount of money or drugs

11:39

inside the home. And because

11:41

these individuals are facilitating some type

11:43

of illegal activity, you have

11:45

different individuals who are entering the home at different

11:47

times of the day. They're exposed

11:49

to the inner workings of the house and where

11:51

things are located. They may inform

11:53

other drug dealers of what's going on. And

11:56

so this could be a planned attack from one

11:59

competitor to another. another where that that's a simply

12:01

they're going in there to steal their product and

12:03

their money. You also mentioned

12:05

guns. Now they were

12:07

looking for guns so another scenario is

12:10

misidentification wrong house. Right. It could

12:13

be the exact scenario that I

12:15

just described where this group of

12:17

individuals were looking for a

12:19

specific home that contained drugs guns and

12:21

money and they accidentally went to the

12:24

wrong home. Sounds stupid but

12:27

it's happened before and it's going to happen again. So

12:30

without having the full details we

12:33

really don't know what transpired here

12:35

but we can take some things from it

12:38

and I tell my kids about this all the time

12:40

to a lesser degree. I

12:42

live in a nice area but at the

12:44

end of the day it doesn't matter where you live it

12:46

can happen to anyone anywhere and if

12:49

there's a vulnerability that's exposed to the public

12:51

yes 99% of the time it might just

12:54

be your neighbors that notice it

12:57

but all it takes is that

12:59

one time where someone who has

13:01

an ulterior motive who has malicious

13:03

intentions to see that vulnerability

13:05

make note of it and then keep an

13:07

eye on it for future situations and

13:09

what am I talking about here leaving

13:11

your garage door open leaving the

13:13

gate to your backyard open which could lead

13:15

to a sliding glass door leaving

13:18

your front door open when

13:21

you have like a glass door on the front or a front

13:23

screen this is what my children are guilty

13:25

of all the time though you

13:27

know they'll keep the the main door that has

13:29

the deadbolt open because we have the glass door

13:31

in the front that they can look out they

13:34

can wave to their friends they can see everything

13:36

that's going on the dog likes to look out

13:38

the glass door as well it's all cute and

13:40

innocent but there's no protection

13:42

there an assailant can just or

13:45

they can just simply open the door because

13:48

my children never lock the glass door and

13:51

they always get upset with

13:53

me when I'm like what are you doing because

13:55

I'll walk in and I'm how did I just gain entry

13:57

so easy like what are you guys doing it

14:00

was only for a couple of minutes. That's all

14:02

it takes. Garage door is

14:04

open, front door is open. Somebody

14:06

walking by with no premeditation could

14:08

just say, hey, here's

14:10

an easy access point. It looks like

14:13

just one individual is home or they

14:15

may see just the kids in the front of the house

14:18

and decide, you know what, I'm

14:20

going inside. And once they're in,

14:22

what do you do then? Now you're at a

14:25

disadvantage because they're inside your home and

14:27

if you can't get outside,

14:29

you can't gain access to anyone to let them know

14:31

what's going on. So there's

14:34

a lot of issues there and I think that minimum what we

14:36

can take from this is you always,

14:38

and I know I'm always scaring you guys, but

14:41

you have to assume the worst in these

14:43

situations and I'd rather be safe

14:45

than sorry. I know it's a cliche statement, but

14:48

you have to assume that it's

14:50

not the people that you know you have to

14:53

worry about, it's the people you don't know about.

14:55

Just somebody driving by, somebody walking by. It could

14:57

be someone that you've seen every day who walks

14:59

their dog. You don't know who that person is.

15:01

You don't know who they are behind closed doors.

15:04

So when you can, you

15:06

want to prevent these types of situations

15:08

and you can do that by taking

15:11

simple precautions like shutting your

15:13

garage door, shutting your exterior

15:15

door, making sure that your

15:17

windows have some type of locking mechanism where

15:19

the window can go up, but

15:21

you can put those brackets at a certain height

15:24

where you can still open the window, but especially

15:26

the windows on the first floor, even

15:28

if they're open, they can't go far enough where

15:30

another human being could climb through them, especially

15:33

if you have air conditioning units

15:35

that you can just kick in. That's

15:37

a big thing that we see on first floors where

15:40

if you don't have central air, you

15:42

could have a unit that could be pushed in and that

15:44

would be easy access for an offender. So

15:46

there's a lot of things that

15:49

we can do to mitigate these types

15:51

of circumstances and that's really why we're

15:53

here. That's really why we're talking about

15:55

it. I was thinking like maybe it's

15:57

drugs and it was just kind of a crime

15:59

of opportunity. where they're driving around and like, oh, we

16:01

gotta get money, we gotta get drugs, we gotta get

16:03

something we can sell for drugs, and they happen to

16:05

see this family with the garage door open. Possible, yeah.

16:07

So it's like, oh, well, here's, you know, maybe

16:10

they have money, maybe they have drugs, and it

16:12

wasn't really like they knew for sure that they

16:14

did. Correct. But it was like there could be a potential

16:16

that they do, and we're gonna torture them

16:18

until we get an answer, because this is like an act

16:20

of desperation, it looks like. Yeah, and you

16:23

bring up a great point there where not only

16:25

did they go into the home, but

16:27

it does appear from what we're being told that

16:29

there was some type of torture

16:31

being conducted through a

16:34

very poor interrogation tactic where

16:37

they were assaulting the children and

16:39

the adults, and probably assaulting the

16:41

children to elicit a specific response

16:43

from the adults, right? Like if the adults weren't

16:45

willing to give up their information on

16:47

their own, one way you could do it

16:50

is by punishing the children in front of them. It's

16:52

terrible to think, but it does

16:54

sound like that happened, which is why I

16:57

tend to believe there's definitely

17:00

more to the story. It sounds like

17:02

these individuals felt like

17:04

they knew what was in

17:06

the home. Again, it could be the wrong house, but

17:09

it sounds like they were searching for

17:11

something specific, and as it said in the

17:13

article, they were requesting guns

17:15

which weren't there. So they went

17:17

into this house under some type of pretense that

17:19

they were going to get a particular item, and

17:21

it looks like it was firearms. So

17:24

they appeared to have escalated their

17:26

interrogation tactics when they didn't get

17:29

what they wanted, and I'm really

17:31

interested to hear what comes

17:33

out of this story because I think we're just

17:35

scratching the surface, and I wanted

17:37

to say it again and reiterate it by no means

17:39

am I suggesting that this family did

17:41

anything wrong. I don't know them, I don't know the

17:44

specifics of it, but there's definitely

17:46

something going on here, and it

17:48

may have nothing to do with the

17:50

actual family, but maybe the offenders

17:52

involved were, again, wrong

17:54

place, wrong time, or they, like you said,

17:57

they were in desperate need of something they could

17:59

sell, there's

22:00

this roar that goes throughout the

22:02

entire convention center. I mean, loud

22:05

applause, everything. I didn't know

22:07

what was going on. And I looked at you and I

22:10

said, what's going on? And you said, Chad

22:12

Daybell just got the death penalty. And I

22:15

wanted to get your opinion on it because I

22:17

believe Lori Valo did not

22:19

get the death penalty. She got two consecutive

22:21

life sentences. So what do you make of

22:23

all this? Yeah, she got consecutive. I think

22:25

it's ridiculous. I think they both should have

22:27

gotten the death penalty, obviously. They

22:30

were her children. She was definitely running the show in

22:33

a lot of this. I mean, we covered this case

22:35

extensively. Yeah, I thought we agreed to that when we

22:37

did the series on this case. But I mean,

22:40

they're both culpable. They're both responsible, equally

22:43

responsible, in my opinion. So like who

22:45

was running the show, who

22:47

was driving the ship, it doesn't really

22:49

matter. At the end of the day,

22:51

like the actions were done by consenting

22:54

adults who both understood the implications. There's

22:58

nothing in me that thinks Chad

23:00

Daybell is more culpable than Lori

23:02

Valo. But I

23:04

don't understand what the reasoning is

23:06

for it. Yeah, I

23:09

was obviously not tuning into the

23:11

trial too much. But my guess

23:13

would be Lori

23:15

may have done some

23:17

of the planning, but Chad Daybell

23:19

actually carried out the physical act.

23:22

So maybe that's why. I get it,

23:24

but still. I know I'm with you. I'm with you. Like

23:27

if I'm involved in a robbery

23:29

and someone goes and I'm the driver and

23:31

someone goes in and kills the cashier, in

23:34

some instances, the driver can be held just

23:36

as responsible as the shooter and can be

23:38

given the same sentence. So I don't

23:41

know. I'm with you. Based on everything

23:43

we covered, it seemed like she was really

23:46

heavily involved with everything that transpired. And

23:48

I don't even know if these things happen. If

23:51

she's not involved. She was very manipulative, handling

23:53

a lot of this and kind of, in

23:55

my opinion, the brain behind

23:58

all of it. to

24:00

think that she got two life sentences and he's getting

24:02

the death penalty, it seems like,

24:04

you know, maybe they got that wrong. But I

24:06

will say this, I

24:08

almost feel like Chad might be getting off a

24:11

little easier because I don't know what's worse, the

24:13

death penalty or being in prison for

24:15

the rest of your life when they're relatively young. I

24:17

say that because I'm 40. I

24:20

wanna pretend like I'm young. Yeah, it's relatively. But

24:23

I mean, I don't know. I don't know what

24:25

I would want more to be

24:28

in prison for the rest of my life without the

24:30

possibility of getting out or just, you know,

24:32

a five minute thing where the lights go out and that's

24:34

it, game over. So depending on where

24:36

you fall on that, you may be

24:39

on one side or the other, but we

24:41

always tell you, we're gonna keep you updated on these

24:43

cases, especially the big series that we do. And

24:46

that was the latest update and it

24:48

just so happened while we were at

24:50

CrimeCon. And then I put it on

24:52

Instagram. Yeah. And

24:55

it's still there. Yeah, you posted it, right? Yeah, I

24:57

posted it because I missed the initial roar but

25:00

then when I figured out what was happening, I kind

25:02

of pulled my camera out and it was just this

25:04

like amazing connecting experience. And it's like, you know, you

25:06

hate to cheer for somebody being put to death, but

25:09

at the same time, not in

25:12

this situation. I think a cheer was necessary.

25:14

It felt like, you know, I've

25:16

been on this case since it happened.

25:18

I was in a different house. I was

25:20

in a different place in my life. I've

25:23

been following this case religiously since then. And

25:25

it felt, I just

25:27

got goosebumps, but it felt like a

25:30

culmination of all the frustration and

25:32

like pain and, you know,

25:36

like ridiculousness of these two people. And

25:38

then they kind of like going about

25:40

their lives for years, just taking people

25:42

out and nothing's happening. And

25:45

then finally it's like, okay, through

25:47

the whole crime,

25:50

which took years, through the whole investigation

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and then the arrest, and then finally

25:55

the trials. And it's been years and

25:57

years, but finally JJ and Tylee. justice

26:00

and it's not enough. It's not

26:03

enough because these were

26:05

two innocent children who became the victims

26:07

of, I'd like to say they were

26:09

crazy, but I think they're just evil,

26:12

evil people. And

26:14

they didn't ask for this and they didn't want this and

26:16

they had their whole lives ahead of them and so when

26:18

I say like it's some sort of justice it's the only

26:20

one that they are allowed to now but what they should

26:22

have had was their lives to live. Yeah I think I

26:24

think overall we met a lot of

26:26

people at CrimeCon and there's a lot of parents there

26:28

and I think that's what the cheer was. It wasn't

26:30

necessarily because someone was sentenced to death. It was that

26:32

it did feel weird like are we cheering for this

26:34

but it but that's no it was more justice for

26:36

the kids. Yeah that's how I took it more justice

26:38

for the kids that were taken from

26:40

us all too soon but I

26:43

want to switch gears one more thing before we go

26:45

tonight in the same vein of CrimeCon but also another

26:48

case that we had just covered

26:50

extensively the Menendez brothers. There was

26:52

another form of breaking news

26:54

that only was known to people who

26:56

attended CrimeCon. Now we were at our

26:59

booth we were you know meeting everyone

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but then all of a sudden we started getting

27:04

rapid-fire information from everyone who

27:06

was coming up to our booth and

27:09

it was regarding the Menendez brothers. Mark

27:12

Garagos was at the event and

27:14

apparently we were not there but he was

27:16

doing some type of speaking engagement and he

27:18

actually got I believe it

27:20

was Eric Menendez don't hold me to that

27:22

Eric or Lyle I can't remember which one

27:25

it was maybe you know Stephanie but one

27:27

of the Menendez brothers. It was Lyle. Okay

27:29

it was Lyle got Lyle on speakerphone at

27:32

the event so everyone was hearing

27:34

him at this event and I

27:36

don't know exactly what was discussed but I

27:39

guess they're filing for some type of

27:41

appeal or something along that lines but

27:43

I just found it very interesting because

27:45

we were just wrapping up the Menendez

27:47

series and while we're in

27:49

the other room Lyle Menendez is on

27:51

speakerphone so a lot of you

27:54

came up to us and informed us that that was

27:56

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